@@mrpete222 Yes! This is so educational and information not readily come by on the internet. Seems like this can only be learnt from those who've been around!
They prolly thought there was some slick trick to get a drill to do a square hole. It is what he h advertised; "Drill a square hole." Maybe they just don't get his sense of humor.
Crafty old fox technique here. I never thought of forming a square or rectangle in round stock with this method. If it was silver soldered or brazed it would have near as much integrity as if made from a solid piece. Today,I found myself enlightened by an old school shop teacher👏👏
Silver soldering is a great idea. I think I would widen the slot width above the 1/4" square opening to 0.315" for a 0.312" filler blank. EDIT 1: The 1/32 land on each side establishes the 1/4 opening, any silver solder closing the opening would need to be filed away (silver solder tends to fillet radius sharp corners and gaps per your supplies and torch skills). EDIT 2: A dovetailed filler slot could be endmilled above the 1/4" opening with a reverse taper one lunger cutter for silver soldering a dovetail filler piece. Any sidewall could be drilled and tapped into the 1/4" opening for a setscrew(s). No cross pins, HSS blank or aluminum shim would be would be required. This procedure could be used to form an opening across the diameter with a 1/4" wide slitting cutter in a Bridgeport. Shop made boring bar?
@@waynespyker5731 I think the technique I'd use would be raise the end mill to half depth in the slot and machine an extra few thou from either side of the slot. That gives you the ideal gap for braze/silver solder fillet but leaves the lower half the slot tight on the insert piece for accurate location. It would also prevent any silver solder from running through into the square hole area.
Well now I know what a Rose index is and how to use it! great idea, and even at 78 I'm still learning things thank you for taking the time to show us young'ins a thing or two. "Whats that old adage, "You're never too old to learn" I just proved that. thanks again.
Thanks. I miss machining. I did it in High School and for a few years, I had a friend that had a machine shop in his basement but he has since passed away. I was a lathe operator for 11 months after I got out of high school but decided to change my profession and became an HVAC technician. I always loved machining and miss it. I really enjoyed watching you do this project. Thanks again.
I love being a machinist for 26yrs and watching tricks from older machinists at our shop we tell the young guys to never make a man mad at you because he'll never show you any of his tricks!
FOR SURE...use copper when removing a broken bolt/stud in metal piece, around and inside the hole....then , mig weld to the stud, (slowest rate) and remove. copper wont weld.....and separates the main metal, from the arc.....
That Rose Index looks like a tool that an apprentice machinist would be requited to make while learning skills. They would ultimately add this item to their tool collection and use over their entire career.
Dear Mr. Pete This video was my very first of your channel. I say that it is my very first in the sense that I have just begun to Learn metalworking and machining after a long career in medicine. I find it to be absolutely an art of precision and of patients/patience. I truly find it fascinating to be able to create something and I find it extremely soothing and truly do appreciate the time you take to put into your videos to help novices is like myself. Thank you so much for your quality content Cheers Mike from Philadelphia
Mr pete. Love your channel. I have been machining for nearly 40 years and i still learn some things from you. You have a great honest and no nonsense approach. Thanks for taking the time to do this type of education.
Yep. Those "Old Machinist's" were a "Tricky Lot". One thing my dad, "They call me a 'Tool Maker', but not by 'East Coast' standards" said [we're from New England] at the shop in Santa Monica, Ca in '62 was that if you walked away from the machine, back off a 0.001" before you start in again because everything has cooled down and changed dimensions. He did this on an old, non-numerical read out, manual (dial only) Bridgeport Mill and could work +0.00003"/0.0000.0" tolerances all day long.
I took machining courses in Jr. College and had seasoned instructors like this guy. I only worked as a machinist for 2 years then quit because my boss was such an a hole and I believed the whole industry would be like my boss.
Mr pete, you are the dood, dood. When the day is long, the pay is low, the wife is stressed and the kids are too much, your videos restore balance to my mind. Thank you once again. Take care
I loved how you started the video with "you can buy a $150 broach or use this method", then ended the video with "you can build this with twenty thousand dollars worth of machinery or just buy a $150 broach"
Pure contradiction in turn. Why spend $150 when you can do it for less! But, you need to spend $20K on machinery first to do it! That sounds a bit Irish to me. So go and buy a $150 broach instead giving you a saving of 19,850 a bargain
@@andyg.8971 But so very useful for so many other things, have struggled in the past making square square pins this would have made things a lot easyer, and accurate.
I now know what a rose index is. Of course the manufactures and retailers of rose indexes never make videos like these for the public and they are supposed to be the ones that inform the public about their products. Thanks for doing what they should do.
@@G58 Still, patents don't limit someone from making one for his own private use. It protects against other people monitizing the idea. That does indeed rule out a lot of users, but just saying. And whilst I give cudos to the inventor, when I saw it in the video I was sure that tool was a really old one. It's mind buggling that in the world of machining this no one has come up with this earlier.
Watching Mr Pete for all these years, I have become convinced that it would take me TWO LIFETIMES - at least - of learning and training to barely get to shouting distance of Mr Pete. You are a LION sir ! Thank you once more, cheers.
Timm thank you for the video. I am a 1 year in fabricator and you just showed me more in these minutes than I have learned about our mill this whole last year. Thank you and you have a new subscriber. I look forward to more of your videos, stay safe.
CmdrMoros This video was made by Mr. Pete. I'm just the guy who made the block he used in his video. Mr. Pete is the teacher that disserves your kind words.
at the mature age of 57 years old i have never had an idol in my life but mrpete would qualify as a potential candidate, he is a pot of gold of fabrication knowledge.
Regarding the loctite on the inner surfaces of the insert. That would actually help pretty substantially. As a general rule (or so my mechanical engineering professors told me), adhesives are most effective in compression and shear stress scenarios, but less so in tension. Trying to slide that insert out would be pure shear which would be among the ideal scenarios for an adhesive. Additionally, all that extra surface area would distribute the force too (meaning less shear stress) thus it would take even more force to break it out.
Great instructional video, Mr. Pete. There aren't many of you old machinists left; great that you're sharing your time, talent, and expertise. Its a shame that kids nowadays do not appreciate the learning experience of somethin like this. It teaches, math, planning and execution to accomplish this.
I agree. Taking the time to share your experience is important. The world has changed so much and as a person who went down a path not many people choose makes it difficult to express how much I am thankful for patiently explaining your thought process. Never stop sharing your work....please.
Great way to do it! I would use silver solder it to give similar strength to a broached part. One big advantage of the demonstrated technique is that it works for odd dimensions and bottom holes. Silver solder is one of my favorite materials when building prototypes. Also this way may actually be easier than broaching or odd geometries such as angled holes.
I liked that tip. All of these simpler processes held in memory can be combined and recombined to provide understanding of much more complex procedures. Before you know it, you’re an older person dispensing wisdom to eager young apprentices via the internet. You are a solid gold asset Mr Pete. 😎👍
He explicitly commented on doing this instead of purchasing the relatively expensive broach for a one-time use. It all comes down to how much your time is worth, and how long it would take you to do this, versus buying the broaching equipment. For a lot of home shops, this method makes a lot more sense, even if it does take longer and more work.
Either way, it's the same principle as "Draw Boring" in woodworking used 14th century through early 20th century solid furniture - most noticeable in "Craftsman", or Mission Style" furniture.
Sir: I know nothing about machine shop work, & I had NO idea how you were going to accomplish the making of the 1/4 inch hole. What a marvelous education I got ! Thank you ! As my late grandfather would say " When you know NOTHING, it isn't hard to learn something. A great video Sir !
I'm just 15. Dad bought me a Milling machine instead of a Video Game player. So I got use to enjoy these kind of video's instead of some one playing a video game lol. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge.
Congrats on your interests. Stick with it and you will have all sorts of opportunities. Machinists are getting hard to come by and many of us in the trade are bombarded with work. Best of luck to you and your endeavors.
Great work Timm, you remind me of my dad where he tought me a lot about machining, look forward to more. BTW, you just cost me $149 dollars, I just purchased a rose index, haha, great tool to have in your box :-) thank you again
Thank you for the kind words. It means alot. The 2" inventory will probably be used up in a week, however I'm gearing up for another batch of parts. There are still plenty of 1" models available. I look forward to future comments from you and others.......I want to hear if you still feel as if I cost you some money, or if your acquisition was a valuable purchase and you'd happily do it again. Be well and thank you
The days when metal and woodwork teachers were retired craftsmen are long gone. Our woodwork teacher was a 77 year old retired cabinet maker. His lessons were awesome and no one played him up, possibly because standing in the corner would probably have involved our arm being clamped in a vice. 😊
Thanks my grandpa was a machinist for Litton Industries! I have most of his tools and things he left for me! It a pleasure to see some one carry it into a new world!!
Mr. Pete, these videos are amazing. Documenting a lot of information that MAYBE get's personally handed down to a few people, you are opening this information up to everyone! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this! Subscribed, and look forward to more!
Thank you for your video’s sir. You remind me of my grandfather who was a tool and die maker, he passed away many years ago and you brought back a lot of good memories. Thank you
The problem is that with todays shop and labour costs, the broach would often be the cheaper option. Over the last 2 decades, so many traditional engineering companies have not survived. Cheaper imported tools were part of the problem.
I love how a good engineer has a ‘toolbox’ of ideas on how to solve a problem .... that’s makes engineering fascinating. I’m actually an electronics engineer but from time to time, mechanical engineering knowledge is very much an essential ally when constructing a project. From an electronics point of view, mechanical is very much the bedfellow.
Thanks for posting this! You've opened my eyes to something I've never really thought about. I can see LOTS of uses for this type of machine work. Mainly tool making!
Nice job, next time when you edge find go from the rigid jaw you will find it more accurate and once you find the jaw you can use your zero for quite awhile, you could also use a 1/8 endmill to spot for the holes then use a 1/8 pin with a slight straight knurl and just press fit in place and forget the locktite, if you are going to use it for holding a cutting tool the locktite can come loose from the heat and that won't be good. Just passing on some of my over 50 years of machine shop knowledge
@@JohnJones-oy3md Actually that isn't true. law.stackexchange.com/questions/24148/can-i-build-something-for-personal-use-if-it-is-patented#:~:text=In%20the%20US%2C%20if%20you,enough%20to%20qualify%20as%20infringement. However, in reality if you don't tell anyone about it then no one would ever know. It's not the honorable or right thing to do, but you're the one that has to look in the mirror. It's not like they're that expensive.
This was a very informative video. Thanks for showing the Rose Index. This is a terrific solution. I can only imagine how many other types of tools can be made by leveraging the concepts that you just showed us. You are a wonderful shop teacher... so keep up the good work. Cheers for an excellent video... It was very interesting (definitely NOT boring)
Yes, I'll have to make one also. I didn't know about the Rose Index until now, but what a useful tool it will be. BTW, Loctite will set up in less than ten minutes with a little heat from a hair dryer and if already set up, about 200 degrees from a torch will loosen the bond to allow the part to be removed.
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I had a sneaking suspicion this is how you would tackle something like this. The Rose Index is a super nifty tool, even a good beginning machining project too.
G’day Mr Pete. What’s that saying, “ can’t see the forest for the trees” well my thought process was on a rotary broach and when you started milling the slot the penny dropped to what you were up to. I would have forgotten to add the shim for wiggle room for the tool, well done. The Rose thingy looks to be a good shop project, it’s now on my list to do, thanks. I enjoyed the video, thanks. Cheers Peter
From a fellow 45 year tool & die maker good job, in today's world plunge EDM would knock it out quickly but like you I live the old ways of making tools.
Mr. Pete, you continue to impress, sir. Your vids are top shelf and I am so impressed at how I learn something new with each of your recent vids. Keep up the great work!
I REALISE THIS VIDEO IS NOT THAT NEW,BUT MR PETE,YOU NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE AND IMPRESS!! I AS THINKING ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. I MUST CONFESS,I DIDNT THINK OF HOW YOU ACTUALLY DID THIS ... WELL DONE! IM NOT A MACHINIS. I DID SPEND NEARLY 25 YEARS AS A CERTIFIED WELDER/IRONWORKER AND CUSTOM SHOP FABRICATION. THERE ARE SOME VERY TALENTED INDIVIDUALS AND LITERALLY JAW DROPPING TRICKS,IF ONE IS WILLING TO APPLY THEMSELVES!! YOUR VIDEOS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS VERY INTERESTING AND YOUR WRY,DRY SENSE OF HUMOR IS A HUGE BONUS!! THANKS SO MUCH FOR LETTING US HAVE A PEEP IN YOUR LITTLE CORNER OF THE SHOP!!
Making an internal key way could possibly be done using this approach. Those tools cost a lot, are limited to just one width of the key way, calls for a good press tool and are seldomly used. Thanks!
Awesome. I would not have thought to do this if I lived for a million years. How simple. Wow! Thanks to "our" Mr Pete" to introduce us to yet another "Gem". Praise Jesus!
never had a chance tolearn any of tis, but i love watching somebody proficient at thier trade work, especially watching someone make something out of thin air. thanks for the show Mr. Pete C-ya again
@@danharold3087 I could draw it up in no time put a thread insert in it and just use it as a plastic part! Why not? It don’t take any forces!! I’ll draw it up! And print one out!
Wow , I just love watching these old timers , as my dad would have said, there's always more than one way to skin a cat. That is the most clever way to tackle that job without a square broach.
you reminded me of my teacher, i just started a new job in a machine shop and i love it, i never realized how you would go about it, but it makes sense now that youve done it, I love the video?
And here I was expecting a rotary broach. I really like this technique. It's certainly superior to the drill press and hand-file method I've used in the past to get square (well squareish if we're being honest) holes in the past.
@@THEJR-of5tf Nope. A trepanning tool would still leave you with a round hole. This Old Tony has a video on what I'm talking about: th-cam.com/video/4-3gPWl6wfU/w-d-xo.html
I love watching old timers teach neat tricks. It’s alway enjoyable to watch someone who is passionate about their trade!!!
Thank you very much
How in the hell could anyone give this a thumbs down? This man is gold. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you very much for your support
@@mrpete222 Yes! This is so educational and information not readily come by on the internet. Seems like this can only be learnt from those who've been around!
They prolly thought there was some slick trick to get a drill to do a square hole. It is what he h advertised; "Drill a square hole." Maybe they just don't get his sense of humor.
@@Raul28153 : More than one way to skin One.
Maybe because he goes on and on at the start. We know what he should be trying do from the title, Or else we wouldn't be here.
The aspect of “need a tool, make a tool” was always something I enjoyed about metal working.
Crafty old fox technique here. I never thought of forming a square or rectangle in round stock with this method. If it was silver soldered or brazed it would have near as much integrity as if made from a solid piece. Today,I found myself enlightened by an old school shop teacher👏👏
Silver soldering is a great idea. I think I would widen the slot width above the 1/4" square opening to 0.315" for a 0.312" filler blank. EDIT 1: The 1/32 land on each side establishes the 1/4 opening, any silver solder closing the opening would need to be filed away (silver solder tends to fillet radius sharp corners and gaps per your supplies and torch skills). EDIT 2: A dovetailed filler slot could be endmilled above the 1/4" opening with a reverse taper one lunger cutter for silver soldering a dovetail filler piece. Any sidewall could be drilled and tapped into the 1/4" opening for a setscrew(s).
No cross pins, HSS blank or aluminum shim would be would be required.
This procedure could be used to form an opening across the diameter with a 1/4" wide slitting cutter in a Bridgeport. Shop made boring bar?
@@waynespyker5731 I think the technique I'd use would be raise the end mill to half depth in the slot and machine an extra few thou from either side of the slot. That gives you the ideal gap for braze/silver solder fillet but leaves the lower half the slot tight on the insert piece for accurate location. It would also prevent any silver solder from running through into the square hole area.
I am a remedial machinist - it's obvious this guy is a master. Thanks for the great tutorial !
Well now I know what a Rose index is and how to use it! great idea, and even at 78 I'm still learning things thank you for taking the time to show us young'ins a thing or two. "Whats that old adage, "You're never too old to learn" I just proved that. thanks again.
As a long retired machinist, we never had a "rose index", we had to make do with a V block and angle gauges.
Thanks. I miss machining. I did it in High School and for a few years, I had a friend that had a machine shop in his basement but he has since passed away. I was a lathe operator for 11 months after I got out of high school but decided to change my profession and became an HVAC technician. I always loved machining and miss it. I really enjoyed watching you do this project. Thanks again.
I love being a machinist for 26yrs and watching tricks from older machinists at our shop we tell the young guys to never make a man mad at you because he'll never show you any of his tricks!
FOR SURE...use copper when removing a broken bolt/stud in metal piece, around and inside the hole....then , mig weld to the stud, (slowest rate) and remove. copper wont weld.....and separates the main metal, from the arc.....
That Rose Index looks like a tool that an apprentice machinist would be requited to make while learning skills. They would ultimately add this item to their tool collection and use over their entire career.
...there are so many Methods in in this Job - you could never learn enough from the older Machinists! 👍🏻
Dear Mr. Pete
This video was my very first of your channel. I say that it is my very first in the sense that I have just begun to Learn metalworking and machining after a long career in medicine. I find it to be absolutely an art of precision and of patients/patience. I truly find it fascinating to be able to create something and I find it extremely soothing and truly do appreciate the time you take to put into your videos to help novices is like myself.
Thank you so much for your quality content
Cheers
Mike from Philadelphia
Thank you for watching. Enjoy your new craft
Mr pete. Love your channel. I have been machining for nearly 40 years and i still learn some things from you. You have a great honest and no nonsense approach. Thanks for taking the time to do this type of education.
👍👍👍
Great. Now I have to buy a Rose Index.
I thought the same thing.
Make a Rose indexer. Pretty simple machining project.
Or just use a v-block
@@rstebb311 that is fine for this project where you only nee 90deg, but the Rose gives you 30, 45, 60 & 90deg.
On my shopping list. nice tool.
Best shop teacher ever. Period!
Thank you very much
Old machinists trick. A lost art. Thank you for reminding me of this!
Yep. Those "Old Machinist's" were a "Tricky Lot". One thing my dad, "They call me a 'Tool Maker', but not by 'East Coast' standards" said [we're from New England] at the shop in Santa Monica, Ca in '62 was that if you walked away from the machine, back off a 0.001" before you start in again because everything has cooled down and changed dimensions. He did this on an old, non-numerical read out, manual (dial only) Bridgeport Mill and could work +0.00003"/0.0000.0" tolerances all day long.
I love to see a craftsman at work and the rose index answered a lot of questions for me
Thanks
If only we all had shop teachers like this.
No kidding.
I took machining courses in Jr. College and had seasoned instructors like this guy. I only worked as a machinist for 2 years then quit because my boss was such an a hole and I believed the whole industry would be like my boss.
Mr pete, you are the dood, dood. When the day is long, the pay is low, the wife is stressed and the kids are too much, your videos restore balance to my mind. Thank you once again. Take care
Well said
I loved how you started the video with "you can buy a $150 broach or use this method", then ended the video with "you can build this with twenty thousand dollars worth of machinery or just buy a $150 broach"
Pure contradiction in turn. Why spend $150 when you can do it for less! But, you need to spend $20K on machinery first to do it! That sounds a bit Irish to me. So go and buy a $150 broach instead giving you a saving of 19,850 a bargain
A rose index costs $149 - same price as the broach
I saw the video pop up and right away i thought you would drill it and broach it. I never really thought of doing it this way to be honest about it.
Just another way to skin a cat. Knowledge is good.
@@andyg.8971 But so very useful for so many other things, have struggled in the past making square square pins this would have made things a lot easyer, and accurate.
I now know what a rose index is. Of course the manufactures and retailers of rose indexes never make videos like these for the public and they are supposed to be the ones that inform the public about their products. Thanks for doing what they should do.
That Rose Index, would be a pretty decent shop project. Would work in lots of places that a hex collet holder would not.. Good video.
Good shop project for students-they walk away from class with something useful.
It’s patented. The inventor commented above.
@@G58 Still, patents don't limit someone from making one for his own private use. It protects against other people monitizing the idea. That does indeed rule out a lot of users, but just saying. And whilst I give cudos to the inventor, when I saw it in the video I was sure that tool was a really old one. It's mind buggling that in the world of machining this no one has come up with this earlier.
@@G58 that doesn't prevent you from making a copy for yourself - only from selling them.
Watching Mr Pete for all these years, I have become convinced that it would take me TWO LIFETIMES - at least - of learning and training to barely get to shouting distance of Mr Pete. You are a LION sir ! Thank you once more, cheers.
Thank you very much
I never would have thought to do it this way thank you Mr Pete I thought I have to spend hundreds.
A real old-school engineer. What a real pleasure that was to watch. A proper craftsman rather than a programmer of a computer attached to machines.
👍👍👍
Thanks, Mr. Pete especially for the introduction to the Rose Index, I must have one.
Timm thank you for the video. I am a 1 year in fabricator and you just showed me more in these minutes than I have learned about our mill this whole last year. Thank you and you have a new subscriber. I look forward to more of your videos, stay safe.
CmdrMoros
This video was made by Mr. Pete. I'm just the guy who made the block he used in his video. Mr. Pete is the teacher that disserves your kind words.
The good old "oldtimers". Back then i learned a lot from them during my apprenticeship to become a tool and die maker. This one is new though.
at the mature age of 57 years old i have never had an idol in my life but mrpete would qualify as a potential candidate, he is a pot of gold of fabrication knowledge.
Thank you very very much
Regarding the loctite on the inner surfaces of the insert. That would actually help pretty substantially. As a general rule (or so my mechanical engineering professors told me), adhesives are most effective in compression and shear stress scenarios, but less so in tension. Trying to slide that insert out would be pure shear which would be among the ideal scenarios for an adhesive. Additionally, all that extra surface area would distribute the force too (meaning less shear stress) thus it would take even more force to break it out.
Solving complicated issue with a most simple way. This is really fantastic, and a real talent.
Great instructional video, Mr. Pete. There aren't many of you old machinists left; great that you're sharing your time, talent, and expertise. Its a shame that kids nowadays do not appreciate the learning experience of somethin like this. It teaches, math, planning and execution to accomplish this.
Thank you very much
I agree. Taking the time to share your experience is important.
The world has changed so much and as a person who went down a path not many people choose makes it difficult to express how much I am thankful for patiently explaining your thought process.
Never stop sharing your work....please.
May I say - Mr Pete is not an old machinist, he is timeless! And we thank him for his teaching.
This was one of the most ingenious shop videos I have ever seen! In particular, I loved the Rose gage!
Thank you very much, it almost went viral
@mrpete222 I think it did go viral! Tons of chatter found on hobbyist web sites about this one!
Wow, around the block twice , two county fairs and one dog and pony show , but never seen a Rose Index . 🤔 . Gotta have one now .
Love your videos. It's a shame some don't respect this wealth of knowledge.
Thank you for your support
Great way to do it! I would use silver solder it to give similar strength to a broached part. One big advantage of the demonstrated technique is that it works for odd dimensions and bottom holes. Silver solder is one of my favorite materials when building prototypes. Also this way may actually be easier than broaching or odd geometries such as angled holes.
I liked that tip. All of these simpler processes held in memory can be combined and recombined to provide understanding of much more complex procedures. Before you know it, you’re an older person dispensing wisdom to eager young apprentices via the internet. You are a solid gold asset Mr Pete. 😎👍
Thank you
Always nice to see true craftsmanship in action ! I just ❤️ it !
You are an excellent teacher Mr. Pete. Thanks so much. Warm regards from Canada, eh!
Many thanks!
Saving of money and time to get a broach for this job Hands off to you sir i am from india.
He explicitly commented on doing this instead of purchasing the relatively expensive broach for a one-time use. It all comes down to how much your time is worth, and how long it would take you to do this, versus buying the broaching equipment. For a lot of home shops, this method makes a lot more sense, even if it does take longer and more work.
This is a wonderful way to make couplings for pneumatic valve actuators with square stems. Thanks, Mr. Pete!
Yes
Hey Mr. Pete!
One suggestion for pinning the filler material into place... Use mild steel taper pins driven home firmly with the Loctite.
Ken
Either way, it's the same principle as "Draw Boring" in woodworking used 14th century through early 20th century solid furniture - most noticeable in "Craftsman", or Mission Style" furniture.
I love you Mr. Pete.
You rock.
I love watching your videos.... Long time fan.
Thanks
Enjoyed that one sir. That rose Index is never seen, looks very handy
Back in the 1940s it would have been great I’m sure
Sir: I know nothing about machine shop work, & I had NO idea how you were going to accomplish the making of the 1/4 inch hole. What a marvelous education I got ! Thank you ! As my late grandfather would say " When you know NOTHING, it isn't hard to learn something. A great video Sir !
I've never seen a Rose Index before and now I want one. Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)
I want one and don't even need one!
JIM
I'm just 15. Dad bought me a Milling machine instead of a Video Game player. So I got use to enjoy these kind of video's instead of some one playing a video game lol. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge.
That is wonderful, you have a great dad
Congrats on your interests. Stick with it and you will have all sorts of opportunities. Machinists are getting hard to come by and many of us in the trade are bombarded with work. Best of luck to you and your endeavors.
Great work Timm, you remind me of my dad where he tought me a lot about machining, look forward to more. BTW, you just cost me $149 dollars, I just purchased a rose index, haha, great tool to have in your box :-) thank you again
Thank you for the kind words. It means alot. The 2" inventory will probably be used up in a week, however I'm gearing up for another batch of parts. There are still plenty of 1" models available. I look forward to future comments from you and others.......I want to hear if you still feel as if I cost you some money, or if your acquisition was a valuable purchase and you'd happily do it again.
Be well and thank you
Tubal cain, are you a brother of the craft. I love watching your videos, they are a wealth of knowledge.
Thanks
@@mrpete222 Thank you for your response. Are you a traveling man ???
No
This is a great video, you are the best teacher. I loved this process...
Great to see your videos again. Such knowledge. Every kid would have loved metal work with a teacher like you.
The days when metal and woodwork teachers were retired craftsmen are long gone. Our woodwork teacher was a 77 year old retired cabinet maker.
His lessons were awesome and no one played him up, possibly because standing in the corner would probably have involved our arm being clamped in a vice. 😊
That was a brilliant way of machining a square hole
Thanks my grandpa was a machinist for Litton Industries! I have most of his tools and things he left for me! It a pleasure to see some one carry it into a new world!!
👍👍
Made a wrench for my small acetylene tank like that when I was young and broke. Gas welded the slug in. Nowadays I'd just buy one.
I’ve never seen a Rose Index before! What a great invention!
Mr. Pete, these videos are amazing. Documenting a lot of information that MAYBE get's personally handed down to a few people, you are opening this information up to everyone! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this! Subscribed, and look forward to more!
Thank you for your video’s sir. You remind me of my grandfather who was a tool and die maker, he passed away many years ago and you brought back a lot of good memories. Thank you
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Thanks Mr.Pete, great project. Never heard of the Rose-Index and went to find one and it’s around $150, same as a broach, doh!
Lovely how precise this so knowledgeable, subtly humorous man works! Wouldn't we all wish a guy like this would have a bit of eternal life!
Thank you very much
The problem is that with todays shop and labour costs, the broach would often be the cheaper option. Over the last 2 decades, so many traditional engineering companies have not survived. Cheaper imported tools were part of the problem.
Excellent, I learned a new technique with my morning coffee
I love how a good engineer has a ‘toolbox’ of ideas on how to solve a problem .... that’s makes engineering fascinating. I’m actually an electronics engineer but from time to time, mechanical engineering knowledge is very much an essential ally when constructing a project. From an electronics point of view, mechanical is very much the bedfellow.
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Thanks for posting this! You've opened my eyes to something I've never really thought about. I can see LOTS of uses for this type of machine work. Mainly tool making!
That takes me back to 1964, when I began my engineering apprenticeship. I am retired now but engineering is such an amazing subject.
Well done Mr Pete. One to keep in the back of my mind for sure.
god bless this Men i wish he was my friend when i was 12
I’ve never seen a Rose Index. Thanks!
Excellent idea, that.
I once did something similar with a simple clamp, but this is much better.
That was a clever solution for when you don't have access to a broach, thank you I appreciate the lesson. Enjoyed it very much!
Nice job, next time when you edge find go from the rigid jaw you will find it more accurate and once you find the jaw you can use your zero for quite awhile,
you could also use a 1/8 endmill to spot for the holes then use a 1/8 pin with a slight straight knurl and just press fit in place and forget the locktite, if you are going to use it for holding a cutting tool the locktite can come loose from the heat and that won't be good. Just passing on some of my over 50 years of machine shop knowledge
This is the true value of learning from an experienced expert.
Or someone that uses a mill as a drill press, and buys cheater products
Good video. How about making one of those indexers
It’s patented. The inventor commented above
@@G58 So what? Perfectly legal to make one yourself.
@@JohnJones-oy3md Actually that isn't true. law.stackexchange.com/questions/24148/can-i-build-something-for-personal-use-if-it-is-patented#:~:text=In%20the%20US%2C%20if%20you,enough%20to%20qualify%20as%20infringement.
However, in reality if you don't tell anyone about it then no one would ever know. It's not the honorable or right thing to do, but you're the one that has to look in the mirror. It's not like they're that expensive.
I'm not a machinist, never have been and I still enjoyed the video very much. That's saying something on your skills. Thanks Mister Pete.
Glad you enjoyed it
That is a very cool idea and implementation.
Loved the trick! I'll probably find a good use for it too :)
This was a very informative video. Thanks for showing the Rose Index. This is a terrific solution. I can only imagine how many other types of tools can be made by leveraging the concepts that you just showed us. You are a wonderful shop teacher... so keep up the good work. Cheers for an excellent video... It was very interesting (definitely NOT boring)
I've never seen a rose index before. I'm going to have to make one of those.
Yes, I'll have to make one also. I didn't know about the Rose Index until now, but what a useful tool it will be. BTW, Loctite will set up in less than ten minutes with a little heat from a hair dryer and if already set up, about 200 degrees from a torch will loosen the bond to allow the part to be removed.
Seems like it would be handy to have an indexer to make one.
Genius! I’m very happy I’ve found this channel!
Welcome aboard!
I have 16 or 1800 videos for you to watch. Make sure that you search for my videos under the word Tubalcain. They will not appear automatically as I have been shadow banned by YT
I had a sneaking suspicion this is how you would tackle something like this. The Rose Index is a super nifty tool, even a good beginning machining project too.
I loved the video and the closing comment. True craftsmanship in action.
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Our drills always make something that resembles a triangle.
I like very much the new transition
Is there a reason why you didnt just make the pins 2 thou oversize for a press fit? Thanks for the info.
G’day Mr Pete. What’s that saying, “ can’t see the forest for the trees” well my thought process was on a rotary broach and when you started milling the slot the penny dropped to what you were up to. I would have forgotten to add the shim for wiggle room for the tool, well done. The Rose thingy looks to be a good shop project, it’s now on my list to do, thanks. I enjoyed the video, thanks.
Cheers
Peter
From a fellow 45 year tool & die maker good job, in today's world plunge EDM would knock it out quickly but like you I live the old ways of making tools.
That was such a great video. Why didn't I think of that? Take care.
Mr. Pete, you continue to impress, sir. Your vids are top shelf and I am so impressed at how I learn something new with each of your recent vids. Keep up the great work!
Thank you very much
I can’t believe you are so popular being a hack! Amazing!
Well here goes the internet, about to get mined for Rose Indexes all of a sudden.
Saved me 150 bucks! Only cost me 25k. Hahaha
Thank you Mr Pete. Love your videos. Best (internet) shop teacher I've ever had
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Dude this was excellent! I learned so much in such a short amount of time!
I REALISE THIS VIDEO IS NOT THAT NEW,BUT MR PETE,YOU NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE AND IMPRESS!!
I AS THINKING ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. I MUST CONFESS,I DIDNT THINK OF HOW YOU ACTUALLY DID THIS ...
WELL DONE!
IM NOT A MACHINIS. I DID SPEND NEARLY 25 YEARS AS A CERTIFIED WELDER/IRONWORKER AND CUSTOM SHOP FABRICATION. THERE ARE SOME VERY TALENTED INDIVIDUALS AND LITERALLY JAW DROPPING TRICKS,IF ONE IS WILLING TO APPLY THEMSELVES!!
YOUR VIDEOS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS VERY INTERESTING AND YOUR WRY,DRY SENSE OF HUMOR IS A HUGE BONUS!!
THANKS SO MUCH FOR LETTING US HAVE A PEEP IN YOUR LITTLE CORNER OF THE SHOP!!
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Making an internal key way could possibly be done using this approach. Those tools cost a lot, are limited to just one width of the key way, calls for a good press tool and are seldomly used. Thanks!
Awesome. I would not have thought to do this if I lived for a million years. How simple. Wow!
Thanks to "our" Mr Pete" to introduce us to yet another "Gem". Praise Jesus!
Another tip for indexing the part: mill a small flat at the end. Use your square still. After features are done then machine the flat off.
Very good tip!
Why not just rotate the shaft and use your square on the edges of the groove you just cut.
@@madjack3314 that would work as well.
Thank you for the time and effort in making this video, you really are TH-cam's shop teacher.
Wow, thank you!
@@mrpete222 Let me guess; Your ancestors are German?
Something to be very proud of if they are
Great project Mr. Pete...Like it. I looked up the phrase "well used" in the dictionary, and it showed a picture of your Loc-Tite bottle lol! 👍✔💯
never had a chance tolearn any of tis, but i love watching somebody proficient at thier trade work, especially watching someone make something out of thin air. thanks for the show Mr. Pete C-ya again
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How about a project to make a Rose-Index?
Almost too easy. Someone needs to do the cad pattern and then it could be 3D printed and cast in aluminum.
@@danharold3087 I could draw it up in no time put a thread insert in it and just use it as a plastic part! Why not? It don’t take any forces!! I’ll draw it up! And print one out!
@@trialnterror That would be terrific. My CAD skills are currently lame.
@@danharold3087 fusion 360 Hobbie license and Lars Christensen on TH-cam and you’ll be a master in no time!
@@trialnterror Its more a matter of will. Been burned by companies changing their mind about what they allow for free.
Wow , I just love watching these old timers , as my dad would have said, there's always more than one way to skin a cat. That is the most clever way to tackle that job without a square broach.
Finally, a place for that square peg.
No, that's a square hole in a round peg!
Round peg in square hole works better than square peg in round hole. ;D
Thanks Pete, this is a great tutorial and doesn't seem that difficult on the skill index.
I bought my wife a broach and she wears it all the time.
I practice broaching with my wife for many years now. Not nearly as often as earlier on.
@@RRaucina so she has a square hole now?
@@mgabrielle2343 Round peg in a square hole
you reminded me of my teacher, i just started a new job in a machine shop and i love it, i never realized how you would go about it, but it makes sense now that youve done it, I love the video?
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And here I was expecting a rotary broach. I really like this technique. It's certainly superior to the drill press and hand-file method I've used in the past to get square (well squareish if we're being honest) holes in the past.
Sandy. Rotary Broach??? Did you mean a trepanning tool?
@@THEJR-of5tf Nope. A trepanning tool would still leave you with a round hole. This Old Tony has a video on what I'm talking about: th-cam.com/video/4-3gPWl6wfU/w-d-xo.html
This is great and as Mr Pete says can be varied to meet a lot of different sizes and shapes. Awesome...many thanks