IRS Threatens Prison For Depositing Cash In “Wrong” Amounts
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ij.org/case/connecticut-forfei... In May 2013, the IRS seized more than $68,000 from Vocatura’s Bakery-a third-generation family business located in Norwich, Connecticut-because they claimed the owners violated so-called “structuring” laws by depositing cash in the bakery’s bank account in amounts less than $10,000. Three years later, the government still has the bakery’s money, although it has never brought its case before a judge, and is now threatening to launch a sweeping investigation into practically every aspect of the business’s finances in an effort to find some retroactive justification for taking the money. This is the ultimate example of the abusive law enforcement tactic of seizing first and questioning later-much later.
I found the update. He got his money back and the IRS stopped threatening to demand more money if he didn't shut up and accept their theft. Thanks to Institute for Justice.
Thank you!
someone please pin this update
@@RossMalagarie Agreed! Glad the bad guys got shut down. The IRS was literally stealing over 60k then trying to put an innocent man in prison.
I hope he sued for damages and suffering.
Great!!
IRS should be sued over this.
When someone in law enforcement says you "don't need" a lawyer... you *ABSOLUTELY* need a lawyer.
It's funny cause even back than, that was a violation of policy. Strange case. Definitely not the norm
Abolish the it's
Criminals in the gov. & the irs hella unconstitutional. JFK rip.
Yeah, alarms SHOULD go off in your head at that moment.
U don't need a lawyer. Lol
The IRS won't go after the rich who evade but comes after the hard working Americans
Amen!!!
They as most govt agencies go after what's easy and clean, not what's hard and messy.
Where do you think that the 87000 new IRS agents will focus? Ain't gonna be on the people or corporations with the accountants and lawyers, I can tell you that much!
@@andyhuebschmann5616 - Hopefully on crooks like Trump
I think they see it as an easy win. Billionaires will fight them in court even if they're guilty. They are counting on middle class Americans not having the money to defend themselves in court.
Civil Asset Forfeiture is one of the biggest banes to our society. It needs to be OUTLAWED ASAP.
When Civil Asset Forfeiture is outlawed, only outlaws will have Civil Asset Forfeiture. Come to think of it, that's how it works now.
@@pdlister Yep, only someone/an institution completely unethical could engage in 'Civil Asset Forfeiture' aka straight up theft
In Canada it went from ill gotten gains if convicted in a court of law seized to civil asset forfeiture laws similar to the US and Canadians have no idea unless it happens to you.
It is outlawed. It’s called the constitution. It’s mind boggling that the government gets away with stealing money from people who have not been found guilty of anything. It’s just outright theft.
Sometimes it’s a positive to be a little guy in the world.
Imagine if you were driving 52 in a 55 mph zone, and got arrested for driving "too close to the limit"? Civil forfeiture is another word for armed robbery
Ha! Type that into TH-cam. Watch a man get a ticket (black dude) get a ticket for driving 1 mph under the limit for impeding traffic on a road with no cars.
@@XxXXxxXXxx78 yep look at all that imaginary racism in your head
That has happened actually. A black man was stopped before he was right under the speed limit.
@@joejacko1587 there is literally a video of a black man being pulled over because he was wasn't going the listed speed limit.
The officer said it was suspicious....
@@joejacko1587 lol. Loser
If a law enforcement agent EVER tells you do not need a lawyer you do.
Phoenix Phyre says*
@@wesleyhempoli5548 git gud at england
@Phoenix Phyre --- IRS AGENTS are not law enforcement agents. They are protection racket organized criminal gangsters. The IRS is not an agency that is connected with the United States government and neither is the Federal Reserve Bank. The Federal Reserve Bank and the IRS are both privately held corporations that were incorporated in the traitor state of Delaware in the years 1913 and 1936 respectively. There is no law in United States Code Title 26 (the income tax code) that says that the individual U.S. citizen is legally obligated to pay the Federal or the State Franchise Income Tax. Income Tax is Voluntary. Income Tax is not Mandatory. :-I
Officer, its does not matter whether i need one or not. ..
Then remain silent........
@Leonard Chornomaz
If the person they're interviewing is the one they're accusing of being a perp then they MOST DEFINITELY need a warrant or to plainly state that they're the one under investigation as that they have a right to refuse!
We need to eliminate the IRS period. Flat tax based on what you made each year. No games, no cheating, no IRS
That's what I say, too. Flat tax. Everyone pays the same percentage of their income. No deductions, no cap on earnings.
The government is owned by billionaires just in case you hadn’t checked on that they will always pay next to nothing and get richer while you get poorer
I like it the same percentage no matter the income level
Or a national sales tax. Rich people who buy more stuff, will end up paying a lot more tax.
Steve Forbes ran for president on a flat tax platform and lost. We all lost.
"You don't need a lawyer" is a key phrase for "GET A LAWYER, NOW!"
In their particular case, the law enforcement didn't even allow them to call anyone.
As a update, they got their $$$ back and the IRS dismissed everything.
Labeld Thank goodness
Yeah they get it back only if it is on the news with publicity
They only did it because it became a media shitshow think of all they people that they Rob and get away with it.
Not before they floated it for 3 years...
How about the interest. Damage to name mental disturbance
The government stepped on the bill of rights when the government was allowed to seize property without due process.
Who "allowed" the government to seize property without due process? Why, the government, of course!
They stepped on it before the ink was dry on the paper.
Actually they can take property without due process in certain circumstances and it's used against organized crime and drug dealers all of the time.
@@dorasmith7875, but the law wasn’t meant to be used against people never convicted of a crime. Courts have allowed this to happen and the legislature need to stop it and and put penalties on public servants that exceed their authority. If the action requested by the government is questionable, then a judge needs to get involved to check if our rights are being violated before they act. Something has to be changed where citizens are not being unfairly put on by government employees.
@@Milosz_Ostrow The People. They were told it was to get forfiet assets from drug dealers. They took away property from grandmothers just because their grandson took their car to get groceries and got pulled over for a joint.
Government should never have the right over private assets unless there is due process and a court orders it.
Charging someone with "structuring" as a primary offense without first charging them with a crime that is commonly accompanied with structuring such as larceny (monetary) is like charging someone with failure to ID when there is no crime associated to justify a lawful demand by an LEO to ID in the first place.
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Of all the dishonest businesses out there, they go after a bakery. Typical scoundrels.
A family owned, independent operation. That's the problem. "They" want major corporation chains only!
They are easier to intimidate.
Never ever ever ever ever ever talk to any law enforcement officer without a lawyer.
Only four words in your vocabulary at that point. I want an Attorney
You can if you know how to handle the police and know their tactics. . . Which, I do!
@@jamedlock83 You trust. So DID I, so did most Everyone. That's How we wound up in this position.
@@jamedlock83 If your words are not "I want an Attorney" or "I refuse to answer any questions". Then you are an idiot.
@@JimDean002 You forgot I do Not Answer Questions.
“If you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about.” I laugh at people who claim that they have no fear of the government because they’ve done nothing wrong. The government can at any time conjure up a myriad of laws to indict any innocent person.
The only innocent people are those we haven't met up with yet.
They don't have to conjure up any laws, they already have so many laws that no matter which direction you step off on you are breaking a law. It's like walking on a beach while trying to avoid stepping on the sand.
Everyone has broken the law, if you look close enough.
Like no one who has done nothing wrong has ever been locked up somewhere in the history of the world.
That is true. If you're wealthy they can come after you financially. If you own land they can attack on environmental regulations basis. I had a friend who was practically in a legal war with the US government because of some dirt he moved around on his property (because he lived near a small stream). Somebody even broke into his HOUSE and stole his legal defense documents right before he had to go to court.
The outcome of his drawn out trial, tons of wasted money and even JAIL time was a VICTORY.
Rarely when the lawsuit says "John Doe vs. The United States of America" does John Doe win.
But he did.
"No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the Legislature is in session." - Mark Twain
Those IRS agents involved should have to pay a 10x penalty of the amount seized out of their own pockets.
IRS, in fact our whole government, is out of control.
Damn Skippity
When people ask, "where is all this tyranny?" Show them this video.
Just saved this vid to my watch later list just so I have it ready when a Bootlicker starts running that ducksucker..
@@shawnmartin8485 Yeah the last administration was pretty bad
Michelle Green Yeah, my mother voted for the dude, TWICE and back in 2008 when I was 13 I asked her “the fuck are you thinking?” Obviously without the colorful language but I sure as hell was thinking it
@Michelle Green Yes and Trump and his henchmen are boy scouts that help old ladies cross the street.
My reply to them is "Beyond your willful ignorance and your pay grade."
This is the one of the worst abuse of the government on citizens rights. Intimidation , extortion
The person at the IRS that initiated this should be fired.
The minute they would've told me I don't need a lawyer I would've gone completely silent.
Randall Cox even better, limp
It's called extortion. Hire a lawyer and don't say anything to them.
I wonder if other businesses are getting the same treatment.
That's exactly what he did.
@@JamesRichardWiley gee ya think? how do you think they found his business practices.
@@BlazeFox89 No, he did talk without a lawyer. That's the biggest mistake.
@@DieselRamcharger Likely his bank reported him for suspicious activity. Banks are required to report deposits and withdrawals larger than $10K. But, many will report repeated transactions of lesser amounts, say $5K, if they think a person or business is trying to evade the $10K limit. That is structuring.
Take them into custody for felony theft and extortion
The IRS must be abolished.
Makes me ill. They can't get money out of real criminals so they after hard working people. Sad.
This is True. I knew a Semi homeless girl caught .. Driving Drunk, evading the police, No insurance, no registration. NO PROBLEM. No money! Probably spent 5 days in jail.
@ochaleklaw Agreed. Some states are reasonable, others look more like a Nazi stronghold, which wants to take our rights and freedoms. The Left are fearful of the citizens, and probably rightfully so.
They know that I made a dollars in my 1993 dishwasher job. Epstein's billions, not a clue...
They ARE the criminals. The U.S. caters to the rich. Hard working people are the ones suffering. Always. They will make us pay for every little bump in the road while the rich get tax deductions and incentives. That's why we are i. The predicament we are in right now. We've been hit with stay at home orders and our jobs have been shut down while the rich are getting richer off us shopping at big businesses where they have their money invested. Small businesses are nothing but a nuisance to the government.
the government is the real criminal
The IRS deserves 0% of this bakery's money.
"The IRS deserves 0% of anyone's money."
FTFY
Their bank doesn't deserve to handle their money either. No one bothered to warn them that what they were doing could potentially be construed as a crime.
Also, how exactly could you be evading taxes when the IRS has access to the bank records‽
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Abolish the IRS since it is a domestic extortion arm of the US Gangster government!
That's why people are going the old fashioned way. Put your money in a safe and hide it. That way if the IRS tries anything at least the person has the money stashed away.
@@DorkVader26 they are foreign agents. Illuminati
0:38 I love how he gets happy talking about his business then immediately changes because he remembers what happens to it
Thank heavens for the Institute for Justice. Your work has been so inspirational to me that I almost want to go to law school to work for you after my first career ends in 4 years.
…so basically it was a shakedown.
How did they get their money back? I thought once the federal government seized your assets it didn't matter if you were guilty or not, you don't get it back.
I also don't understand this structuring thing. It could be suspicious if you consistently had more than $10,000 to deposit and consistently deposited in smaller amounts, but I don't see how it should be a CRIME, just a practice that should call attention to what you might be trying to conceal.
But a small business that does nightly deposits is not likely to have $10,000 to deposit, that's ridiculous.
@@dorasmith7875 basically the irs thinks if you deposit less than 10,000 you are trying to not tell them about it because banks are required to report any transactions over 10,000. The irs thinks everyone knows this so they act accordingly. It is supposedly there to prevent drug dealers from profiting of drug sales. In reality it is an expanded policing for profit racket.
It's just a damn shame. They got they're nose too far up in our lives. They wanna controll every aspect of our lives.
Exactly.
@@ignatiusq.snerdiiesq.7007 another example of government using the argument of protecting citizens, to hide the truth that government is stealing from citizens.
"Armed IRS agents." There's one of the problems right there.
@Full Blooded Irish Guy Since February 3, 1913, when the United States became a socialist country.
He miss spoke when he said armed iOS agents because the IRS does not carry guns they would have been United States treasury agents.
I have worked with them in the past.
@@dirtybomb32 Not according to everyone else: IRS Criminal Investigation Division - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_Criminal_Investigation_Division
You need to go back to the past 5 years of weapons (M16s) and ammunition sales by federal Agencies. The parks service is pretty well armed. Don't dump tras in a National Park or you migt get wasted.
What do you expect? The IRS realizes what they're doing is fucking scummy so they issue firearms to their agents so that they can protect themselves when someone inevitably decides "y'know what? fuck you" and starts attacking them.
Thank God for media platforms and organizations such as Institute for Justice to advocate his case and expose those thieving frauds in IRS.
Any time any "law enforcement officer" says you don't need a lawyer, call TWO lawyers.
That's outrageous. This is exactly the kind of government we don't want or need.
But have and have had for a long time, America the land of the not so free
Late Stage Corruptionism!
No country on earth is righteous ... Not until Jesus comes in power yelling at the top of his voice
Vote accordingly.
Vote all the WOKE supporters out of office
In addition to the case being dismissed, the ultimate good news here is that the law was changed in 2019 to basically say that the IRS may no longer seize money on the mere suspicion of structuring. Instead, they now have to prove that either (1) the property was derived from an illegal source, or (2) the funds were structured for the purpose of concealing a violation of the law or regulations other than the structuring law in and of itself.
Great news
The sad part? Laws don’t get amended until innocent people suffer. What a broken system
@Everythings Eventual dumb because you say it is? Hilarious lol. Well I hope the law painfully fucks you over then since you’re so supportive that there has to be innocent victims who go through unneeded stressful turmoil. The laws validity was never disputed here either, just the poor execution of the system at enforcing it properly. Try reading and comprehending next time with your trigger happy keyboard fingers. If you found my statement to be “tough” then you’ve never had real problems in your life lmao. You are thick in the head bub 🤣 let’s not make up shit arguements just because you want to feel “tough” 🤣 I want to be a part of a conversation because I have empathy for innocent victims? Pure Comedy lmao go kiss the ass of corrupt law enforcement then
Good point, assuming they follow the law. But with 87,000 new IRS agents being unleashed upon America by the Biden Administration now in Aug, 2022, the question becomes what other laws will they violate as they "audit" (i.e., strong arm) Americans taxpayers for every little penny?
Please cite your sources.
NEVER believe the “you don’t need a lawyer BS!”
When they tell you you don't need a lawyer you better get a lawyer
ANY time an agent from the IRS criminal division wants to "talk" you need to exercise your rights to remain silent and to speak to an attorney. If the criminal division is involved, they've already decided you committed a crime and are looking for evidence they can (mis)use to convict you.
This is insane! You have to prove that you’re innocent, but they don’t have to prove you’ve committed a crime before stealing your money?
They take civil action against the property. Property does not have rights, and a civil case is preponderance, not beyond a reasonable doubt.
The legal documents would have state v $50,000 instead of state v maki like a case against you. It may be your money, the case is not against you. They may charge you in some other case that has to do with the money though.
@@itsmemailingyou4234 that is something that is and always has been insane, though. Legal action is to be brought against people, not items. Items can't have wrongdoing or mens rea, how can they be culpable? Also, the government pressing any kind of civil case is nonsense as well, all govt cases should be criminal in nature or not exist. Either you broke the law or you didn't.
Not only do they not have to prove it, they don't even have to specify a crime they might suspect you of committing.
Try living outside of the USA, the US government treats you as a criminal from every angle.
@@itsmemailingyou4234 To say "property does not have rights, therefore I can take it from you" is the most idiotic justification for stealing that I have ever heard.
Criminals take from your register
IRS takes your whole damn livelihood
What are you talkin about, the IRS is just a bunch of criminals.
And you better pay up or they will take everything away.
@@Gripmagic haha, they make cold-hearted criminals look like 2yr olds at a daycare center.
Biggest criminals in this country
not if hes getting stabbed in the heart 55 times with an ice pick lmfao
These sums of money may seem small to the rich,but to the normal folk it's a lifetime of work.
"Civil Asset Forfeiture" - what a polite way to say "armed robbery".
Never talk to law enforcement without an attorney.
Never talk to IRS agent without an attorney.
Just be clear you are not refusing to talk to them, make sure you state you will talk with legal council present. Then they cannot hold it over your head.
Never talk to law enforcement. Let your attorney talk.
Always wear a helmet when you ride your bike
@@pbufh You voted for Biden, didn't you?
They can jump on this but can't do anything about the scammers...
Exactly!
Glad you said it, Madeline ! THAT is something that pisses me off about law enforcement. They can be on the spot to write me a ticket for parking more than 10 inches from the curb, but I get scammer calls every day and scammer mail frequently as well trying to cheat me out of thousands and law enforcement at every level says "can't do much about it, there is a do not call list" and the "do not call list" is worthless as hell. Also if a bank or insurance company screws a customer out of some huge amount of money, it is ALWAYS a "civil matter, to be discussed in civil court", but if some kid steals a $25. pair of cheap tennis shoes from WalMart, he goes to jail.
I rarely get scammer calls on my personal phone now.
I was traveling a lot and would use that time to keep them on the line as long as possible. I would get them screaming and cussing angry at me. I thought it was very funny.
They rarely call me anymore.
The company phone they call in Spanish. I wish I was fluent.
All corporations in america are offshoots of the mother corporation "THE UNITED STATES" and the govt is the ones who sold the scammers your info..
Because the majority are not doing anything about the fraudulent occult run irs
They would waste time and money going after local shops, yet they spent zero do nothing went it comes to large corporations like Amazon 🤦🤦
The IRS really needs to be disbanded.
"Structuring": A means by which the government can seize your money, no matter how much you have, without having committed an actual crime of any kind.
@@sheldrickotieno7541 I think the IRS is probably much closer to Satan.
@@sheldrickotieno7541 Jesus ISNT a swear word but your maker and the only one who can really help you!!
And then locks you up for it
“You don’t need a lawyer while we proceed to investigate, question, and steal from you”
Yeah, I’d call my lawyer and start filming right then and there.
I agree with you. But....people that do call their lawyers and start filming usually end up in mysterious accidents or deaths. It's crazy. And scary.
Nicholas Terry yea! Ypu would but IRS has ALL your money! Lol!
Michael Cuff I’m pretty sure they don’t have all my money...
They steal way too much of it, I’ll grant you, but I still take home more than enough...
You'd cal your lawyer.... for a quote you altered for a joke?
Absolutely, ashtonishingly disgusting.
First mistake was answering even one single question.
The only thing you're required to do is identify yourself. The only other word you say is LAWYER.
Lawyers are in on it too.
@@rollingthunder4599 so are the Court's.
That gold Fringe around the flag means maritime law
That's why the courtrooms are made of wood to emulate a ship.
When a lawyer passes the bar he's welcome on the ship.
No... You aren't required identify yourself..
Identify yourself? Dafuq hell no. I'm a minor I need a lawyer. I don't care if you're toothless with a head of white hair. I'm a minor. I need my lawyer.
I once did an entire 5 minute interview with various inflections and stylizations of _"I WANT MY LAWYER!"_ They labeled me _uncooperative_ and I never got my lawyer.
Getting your money back isn't enough. A 'misunderstanding' is one thing. What the IRS did, an arguably existential criminal organization itself, is a crime. Punitive damages.
And those punitive damages need to be paid by the supervising agent and the director of the field office that pursued it, along with the lawyers that facilitated it.
This while they allow billion dollar corporations to pay little to no taxes.
Truly messed up.
Those people from the IRS need to be put in prison
These prosecutors need to be disbarred and be put in jail.
They should be de-nutted
Who did it Muller..?
"We're going to seize all of your money because you've demonstrated a pattern of DOING NOTHING AGAINST THE LAW"
with all the crazy stuff going on today even if you're doing the right thing all the time they'd still find something wrong with what you do.
I was an owner in a small US call center.We had a client who was defrauding people and our only participants was to field complaints and forward them to the client.We did this for 11/2 years without ever knowing what we were accidentally part of.We were raided by 20 armed agents and armed swat members.They held and questioned all 200 employees,all women,for 6 hours.They ultimately threatened us with arrest for fraud but said if we paid a $550,000 “fine” the charges would be dropped.We told them we were totally unaware of what the client was up to they said they knew but we we had no choice but to pay the fine
They were from the "criminal" division of the IRS. How ironic.
Ain't it tho.lol
Wow....
They ment they were the criminals from the IRS.
It’s called honest labeling. They call themselves what they are.
Virtually every agency, bureau, and branch of the Federal government has armed, sworn law enforcement people. ' Keeping up with the Jones '
The minute they told you “You don’t need one, ...” they committed a crime.
They can lie all day long to you and it is completely legal. But if you lie to them it is a Felony. ALWAYS demand a lawyer and plead 5th.......
@@georgepoitras3502 no that’s not a “lie”. He has legal rights to ask for a lawyer, they denied him one. This is the crime.
@@TheSiriusEnigma Was he arrested? Or was he raided and then after just notified his money was taken? If he was not taken into custody I am right. If he was then your point is valid.
@@TheSiriusEnigma He didn't ask for a lawyer. He said "Maybe I need a lawyer" but never demanded one. The minute they told him that he didn't need a lawyer, he should have demanded one anyway and refused to speak until the lawyer got there...
I understand where you all are coming from but whether or not he spoke to them, they took his money! That is the ultimate problem here!
So sorry you had this experience!
This is absolutely insane and scary! This law has to change immediately
At the same time is so relieving see that people like Institute of Justice exist and are moved to help, you guys are amazing and deserves and ovation of thanks. There's nothing more hurting as an individual than the feeling of injustice.
It changes when you shoot back.
The government is out of control.
Its TIME....
IRS is not part of the United States Government. It just rents space in Federal Buildings to give you the illusion it is. Check the IRS charter passed by Congress. It's a Private Charter...
The IRS originated with the Commissioner of Internal Revenue, a federal office created in 1862 to assess the nation's first income tax, which was to raise funds for the American Civil War. The temporary measure provided over a fifth of the Union's war expenses and was allowed to expire a decade later. In 1913, the Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was ratified authorizing Congress to impose a tax on income, and the Bureau of Internal Revenue was established. In 1953, the agency was renamed the Internal Revenue Service and significantly reorganized. The Internal Revenue Code of 1954 was renamed the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 by section 2 of the Tax Reform Act of 1986.
No its not out of control...people just don't read anything.
M. You’re are truly blind
What governments
imagine all the people they are doing this to that you don't ever hear from..
Let's just burn that it's building down. Then maybe they will learn there lesson not to fuck with are people.
THAT'S exactly why in precedent setting cases like this you need to get the best lawyer money can buy in that particular field - You're not just fighting for your own rights, you are now fighting single handedly for the rights of ALL AMERICANS in similar cases in the future. it's vital that you seek out the very best lawyers even if you need to do fundraisers to pay for them.
@@bluemopdisaster6445 You wonder what the reason was McVeigh bombed a federal building, then you hear stories like this. I see why he turned against the government
warpnin3 Happened to me. The IRS sent me a notice a few months ago saying I fudged my taxes and took out a bunch of money I made, which I never made. They wanted $7,000. I sent them my W2 forms along with the notice to show I wasn’t even close to their estimate of how much money I made. Have not heard back from them. If they do, I will have a lawyer. I have three of them in my family.
taoist40 they just tried something to see if it would stick. What a bunch of losers...
scary this can happen. like imagine cashing out your investments just for the IRS to snatch it up
This law puts a person in the position of proving a negative. How do you prove something that didn't happen. If you didn't do it you would have no evidence that you didn't do it so how could you prove yourself innocent?.
"Just obey the law and you have nothing to fear"
...except for having your livelihood stolen based on some obscure statute that wasn't intended to be applied in this manner to begin with.
Ian Battles which when regiemes go bad like this is quite often
speter awaken yes. Unless that occurs America will not only never be great again it wonk ever even be good
of course it was, you just didn't get it, still believing your quote at that time! don't you all know "they hate us for our freedoms" like George w. confessed?
Lol the hell it wasn't. They have been structured to be used against us.
@Leonard Chornomaz
What I think is strange.
If the reporting amount is $10,000. , then how was the IRS involved? I thought they only KNEW or we're required to know of deposits of $10,000 or more.
It tells me the IRS is watching ALL deposits.
Also, 99.9999% of people in the USA routinely deposit less than $10,000. So that means we are all being watched.
IRS: You are guilty, especially if you are innocent.
Whenever a cop says "you don't need a lawyer" ... you NEED a lawyer.
Those were not cops.
@Tread Knought Are you high? You cannot be a patriotic American while enforcing illegal, usurious, and treasonous laws against your fellow citizens. "Patriotic LEO" is an oxymoron.
you need to know the law, go to Peoples Patriot Network . com (11am Eastern daily) & Behind The Woodshed w/ Hal Anthony
This is pure criminal abuse of power
Outrageous! Glad they got their money back.
When any government agency tells you you don't need a lawyer, that's when you absolutely do need a lawyer.
The government should fear the people, not vice versa.
Yes they should. But see, a lot of people weren't paying attention and freely gave over those rights and generally speaking once you waive a right you don't get it back. (For example this guy freely gave up his right to counsel and was detained and interrogated for a couple hours, most likely because he didn't want to appear guilty. Never EVER trust anybody who says you don't need an attorney or it'll be easier if we talk inside)
And so now it's going to take a massive overhaul in order to put the government back in its place. My beagle used to catch a scent and would bolt (luckily to the same bush most of the time lol) and trying to pull a pure hunting dog away from whatever, without any trained hunting commands was next to impossible. So in order to pull the government back, we the people have to train the hunting dog to drop a scent. (It's 3am and I can't sleep so this all makes sense to me at the moment. Just ignore if it's a bunch of gibberish lol)
The government controls the military, navy, air force and law enforcement.
That is why they do not fear the people. The 1% controls the 99% because the 1% has "The Bomb" ... literally.
@TheRaellz
Why have there been no arrests ? The constitution is only valid if people defend it and all I see is a big orange goon who calls himself a president offending and violating the constitution 6 ways to Sunday and nobody does a thing about it. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but the reality of the situation spits in the face of your defense. WAKE UP ! Trump orders missile strikes, every president in US history has had a war of one sort or another and that is political power directing and approving military action. Once again sir ... WAKE UP !
The IRS isnt a part of our government, look it up and hold on to your hat.
@@Wildstar40 , trump still not showing his tax records, what's he hiding.
I’m very glad to read they got their money back. And inspired by their courage to stand up to the IRS.
I am GLAD that the people whom are sharing their trials and UNJUST tribulations in here, HAVE A TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS LIKE YOU ALL at Institute for JUSTICE!!! WTG!!!!
I'm soooooo glad that the IRS is having a budget shortfall and has lost a ton of agents due to layoffs and attrition. To hell with them!
Biden wants to double the agents by 2030
Without IRS agents, who is going to put Trump in prison?
@@andytran9370 hey Andy..I don't think trump is the problem. That just propaganda. Trump is a larper. He just pretending
The IRS needs to be kicked in the nuts for what they did
Congress could stop this in five minutes
I second
This is INSANE!!!
This is beyond ridiculous. Money isn’t illegal.
“You don’t need a lawyer” = call your lawyer.
ABSOLUTELY. No law enforcement or any Government agency is your friend. NONE!
_Idiot_ Savant yes for sure !!!!!
@@ironhorse127 I am from the government and I am here to help (myself to everything you own) They just forgot the last part of the sentence
This is what happens when government gets too big, too powerful, and has no oversight.
Is it government or is it out of control agencies within government over stepping their powers.
The IRS and the Federal reserve both need to be dismantled and forever done away with, and the same goes for the CIA. They're all corrupt and worthless entities.and while they're at it there are some in these institutions who need to be executed for their crimes, as well as others that need to be sentenced to 60 plus years so as to assure the semblance of a life sentence. But of course if a Democrat work to get in office there would be NONE of these things EVER happen.
@@cunninglinguist9853 I will agree with the irs, and federal reserve. Would add fda (with our food), OSHA, and the Dept of education.
@@scottpatrick8352 I agree Scott. I tried to like your comment but this sorry lowlife entity called TH-cam has fixed it to where I cannot like a lot of comments. It will allow me to dislike or to reply. TH-cam is such a lowlife entity.I'll be so glad when President Trump takes them out like he's going to do with the fake news media.
@@cunninglinguist9853 How is Trump gonna take out YT?
It doesn’t even make sense to be in business anymore
This is sad and so ridiculous
When someone in a law enforcement capacity says you don't need a lawyer, you need a lawyer.
No. You need John Moses Browning.
Yet when I'm owed 1200 dollars they cant afford to pay someone to answer the damn phone
Why do they owe you $1200
@@matthewtoddsr.6743 Most people arrange their tax withholdings to get a small refund every year. In 2020 they were backlogged processing refunds.
@@matthewtoddsr.6743 stimulus
@@joshuahudson2170 no it was stimulus most likely.
They've got more than enough people to answer the phone. They just don't want to and there's nothing we can do to stop them. Typical givernment out of control. When everyone is losing their business, home, their job, they know they'll get paid even when they sit at home.
Thank you
There are only two debts you can go to prison for: debt to an exwife, and debt to the government.
Ten years ago I divorced a very controlling and abusive man. Two years later, I went to my bank as normally I did to make a deposit. It was at that time that I learned ALL of my money from checking and savings had been taken by the IRS. I was devastated.
I immediately called the IRS...at first I spoke calmly. I learned that my ex owed the IRS a large sum of taxes. Apparently, he hadn’t paid taxes for years and they finally caught up to him and being the lying, conniving manipulator that he is, he told them what state i resides in and to go after me for the money.
I became enraged. In the first place I had never signed my name on anything with him, including tax forms. I didn’t mean to cry, but I did. I told the gentleman about how my ex was a user and how I was never allowed to have my own money... money that I had earned. I told him I had never signed tax returns with him and had not seen him in 3 years, yet I was still paying his way. Furthermore, I had two children that I received no support for and that I had always worked and paid my taxes and it was not right for the IRS to take my money to pay his taxes, because he defied the government. I truly was sobbing. I was so sick of that leech and just couldn’t take anymore. The IRS was truly a gentleman and said he would get back with me. The next day at 1pm my banker called to tell me that all of my money had been returned to my accounts.
I could hardly believe that the IRS had done that. I really think it had to do with the gentleman that I spoke with. He saw that I had never co signed with my ex and that we had been divorced for 2 going on 3 years. I was so grateful that I just got the right agent... who had a heart.
You are one of the lucky few. Most are heartless and could care less what they do to the citizens of this once great country.
What does that mean "he had a heart" ? You can't be alive without one ?
@@NoMoreInfo4You couldn't care less
@@larrybrinley8222 ancient belief is the soul lives in the heart. Without a heart you can't have a soul. No soul=no morality
So 8 years prior to this posting , you claim the IRS took all the money you had in the bank due to your ex husbands shenanigans . You call the IRS to find out what happened , you complain , explain and cry . Then 24 hours later your bank calls and says the IRS had returned all your money back to your account ? Absolute bulls***.
Not a chance in hell this happened .
Abolish the 1913 Federal Reserve and the IRS connections
Audit the IRS, Audit the Fed. Indict those found guilty and abolish the Federal Reserve. Return the currency to the people.
@@manatutormtg Nevertheless they should be audited and their corruption indicted.
they aren't legal anyway.
Central banking through the west created more problems than solutions of controlling money flow and patterns of economy ups and downs! It's a DISMAL FAILURE for the common folk!
Federal Reserve: 5th Plank of the Communist Manifesto. IRS: 2nd Plank of the Communist Manifesto.
Government bails out major companies then does shit like this to the little guy. It’s sick.
wow, only thing worse is when cops pull you over for nothing ,search your car, find your money and decide they will keep it. happens all the time. one guy lost his whole life savings while moving cross country to live by his daughter after he retired.
I’ve been depositing about 18k once a month on the 21st. During the winter my business was slow and I only deposited around 8k once a month for about 3 months. The irs came to my door saying I was structuring and took over 100k from my bank account. Case got dismissed and I counter sued for damages and loss of work and credibility to my business which I won and cannot speak about the settlement.
I hope you stuck it in and broke it off.
I would have put heavy claims against their surety bond! Charged them with acts of terrorism and treason! Three claims on their Bond, and they can NEVER EVER hold any public office or government job ever again in any of the 50 states! We need to be doing this more often! We are the law not them!
Dear Smooth: Very glad to hear your story. Sorry for your inconvenience, and glad you won. This world needs more like you.
@@ladeda7033 I like where you're going with this. But confess that I know nothing about it. Can you recommend a book on the matter?
@@cautious1343 I have no books, but there are several law teachers that have posted lectures and are very clear and straight forward. Easy to fallow, using common language and not legalese. Constitutional law is the key! I will update this soon as I hunt down some sites to maybe start you off with.
Just imagine that their are people in the IRS making six figure salaries plus bonuses to make a criminal out of honest hard working people like this man. Even though they can target groups of people for their political beliefs and lie to congress and plead the 5th and retire with full benefits and call us criminals.
Coppydoublelopp Kliem Far worse than communist Russia
HA! 6 figures my arse. Its going take '6 figures' in attorney fees for the poor baker to recover his money. If you 'think' the already bankrupt government gives a rip abut innocent people when there is 'revenue' to steal ...... .
Go look at the government salary ranges, most IRS agents probably make less money than you do.
@@RileyFreeman8 lol ya because their per diem, healthcare, comrats, travel, and clothing allowances are chump change hu? Not even mentioning if they have children
That's just nuts!!!
No due process goes against everything America stands for
Update:
In May 2016, David and Larry teamed up with the Institute for Justice to demand that the government return all of the $68,382.22 seized from the bakery and end its profit-motivated fishing expedition into the bakery’s finances, as well as the government’s abuse of prosecutorial authority to pressure property owners to agree to forfeiture. Law enforcement should not be using the threat of jail time to fund its budgets.
Hours after IJ filed its motion demanding the return of the bakery’s money, the IRS capitulated and agreed to return the money in full. The IRS initially stated that it was going forward with its retaliatory grand jury investigation, but just weeks later the IRS announced that it was withdrawing its subpoena as well.
The INFERNAL RIPOFF SERVICE should have returned the money with interest!
They need to be arrested, charged, and executed.
what about the prosecutor?
Don't ever say "maybe I need a lawyer" always say "I need a lawyer"
The IRS needs to pay interest to the brothers. What a bunch of criminals. Everyone involved should have charges against them.
IRS NEEDS TO GO AWAY.
Your local bank handling your business cash probably turned you in. I hope you changed banks.
That is exactly what happened
Banks, casinos, and many other places are required to fill out forms any time you do transactions with cash, especially if over $10,000. So the bank didn't have a choice. Any bank they changed to would have done the exact same thing.
@@Jaradis So you are not supposed to care that they smiled, said have a nice day, as they jabbed a knife in your back. No, I would be done with that bank. I would tell them exactly what I thought those scum bag low life's. I would let them know that it would unhealthy if ever saw me again, any of them. Damn them all.
@@xerxes8632 It's Federal Law, every single bank is required to do it, as are numerous businesses that deal with potentially large cash transactions (casinos, car dealerships, etc). But sure, go ahead and tell them off Mr Tough Guy.
@@xerxes8632 its a federal law every cash handling agency has to follow. Example say your looking to purchase a boat you pull $5k from your checking account when the bank opens that starts whats called a money tranaction log. The deal falls through you take the 5k back to the bank and deposit it the mtl now shows 10k in cash tranactions and triggers currency transaction report that goes to the federal government. This is to prevent using the banks to launder money. Consistently deposting cash under 10k becomes suspicious according to the government. For more info look up title 31
Ron Paul says "End the Fed". I say, get rid of the IRS, too.
They're a package deal. The IRS is the enforcement arm of the FED.
just charge everyone flat 10 PER CENT TAX END OF STORY.
@@rayt5520 taxation is theft
@@rayt5520 the government should be pay per use like they used to before taxes existed. Like, pay a charge for taking the highway, you don't like it, take the back roads.
SaulOhio when the fed is gone no need for their collection agency. It s sell just funding their neo agenda. If you don t want dead in two years take a stand now. Their population estimates are we will be at 125 million in 2025. That s half. Are connected to be included in the living. Belief is immigration is to bring in populations with plagues like Ebola that will bring massive deaths
This sure as hell is not the America we have supported , many with their lives. Thank you IJ for trying to address these rouge government atrocities.
Nothing like having a license to steal…. Smfh