I can't get past the fact that Webflow imposes strict limits on bandwidth. It's hard to take them seriously when they cap the number of form submissions a website can receive.
I personally like Webflow but I am a sick of these Webflow fanboys that think it’s the non plus ultra For enterprise sites and ecommerce for example Webflow just sucks
@@74Gee WordPress will be here as long as the web exist, because it's maintained by open source contributor, even if the owner of wp trademark Automatic shut down WordPress will be fine, but if anything go wrong with webflow good luck your website will be gone........
freedom? what freedom. wordpress is no longer open source and wordpress can close and take over a plugin you use without any reason. for me it is not freedom or something that I not dare to build a website on.
With over ten years of experience as a Front-end and WordPress developer, I had been using WordPress until I gave Webflow a real chance-and it turned out to be an amazing experience. It prompted me to shift my entire business to Webflow. As Ran mentioned, it’s a mutually beneficial experience, both for me and my clients. If I had to describe Webflow in one word, it would be “sustainable,” without a doubt. I still support my previous WordPress clients, along with my business partner, who continues using WordPress. Every time, I realize my decision to switch to Webflow was the right one. I completely agree with the idea of using the best tool that suits your needs. However, I encourage anyone who is curious to give Webflow a genuine try. There’s no harm in testing the platform, whether you end up loving it or prefer something else.
WordPress Developer here, and I haven't used Webflow yet, but I get what you are saying. To set up WordPress correctly and get it working smoothly, you need to context switch all the time.
@@MoinMeister-hz8bd It is simple. You can read the wordpress code play with apis and databases, scale unlimited, adding more features and functions. You can change hosting anytime. But in webflow, you can't do those things. It's very hard to change one technology to another.
The comparison between mac and pc, choosing the paid easy way besides the advanced one and having full control, just makes me want to use more wordpress 😇
I like the open-source nature of wordpress and the ability to use any CMS and plugins that I like. I Can literally do more stuffs using code on the Elementor Pro plugin. Thanks for sharing your opinions on wordpress.
But Elementor has absolutely abysmal performance compared to Webflow. And 99% of the plugins for WordPress just introduce features that are standard on every other platform, with the added cost of introducing a bunch of security risks. For small marketing sites, WordPress is more trouble than its worth.
@@ethanrogers9627 I have used Both platforms. So far I haven't experienced any performance issues. I have managed to get my LCP to load at 1 to 1.5 sec mark.
@@ethanrogers9627 I have used both platforms. So far I haven't experienced major performance degrades between these two platforms. I have even managed to load the LCP in the 1-1.5s mark. Wordpress is updated regularly to fix bugs and vulnerabilities. There are a-lot of security plugins that you can install
@@ethanrogers9627 I have used both platforms. So far I haven't had a major degrade in performance when using wordpress websites. On some websites I have even made the LCP load in the 1-1.5s mark. Can you explain how webflow is secure?
That’s subjective and not always true. When you account for setup time/cost and maintenance cost, they could be equal in the long run. PS: I’m hoping that some day Webflow allows for being able to design the site in their experience and host elsewhere or offers a cheaper hosting option ($5/month or less) and let’s you use an external db to power the CMS. I think they are taking the step with the latter by allowing CMS integration with Notion.
One downside with Webflow is the missing email service, which you have when you set up your website with wordpress on some server. What solution do you recommend your clients who want to use webflow?
Ran is right, its what you prioritize and what you love doing. There are pros and cons and it depends on what's important as the designer or developer. It's his video, his opinion. What I wanted to see is Ran and Kevin Geary in one video 😂😂
Perhaps one of the issues with wordpress is that it has become so big and trying to be everything to everyone. High complexity = repairs and babysitting.
You're right. I'm so tired of all the errors when clents don't pay for maintenance than calling when their site crashes. After this year, I'm done. 🤦🏾♀️
WordPress offers greater flexibility and scalability with its vast ecosystem of plugins and themes, making it ideal for complex, customizable websites. Unlike Webflow, it supports full control over code and is more cost-effective for larger projects.
Whoa, so your WebFlow clients can actually update their websites themselves? I had no idea the platform allowed for those w no experience on WF to be able to login and edit/update basic content. Thats the #2 reason why WP is still my fav site design platform
Your are right that's why I prefer Webflow and and Framer over WordPress and the other reason with WordPress. There seem to be a new argument every other week about something nothing is left another headache you have to deal with.
I use Wordpress exclusively with SiteGround hosting. I can manage all my sites and client websites from a single login (68 in all). I use a very trim Wordpress setup regarding plugins and theme and have had solid performance with little problems enabling auto-updates on the plugins and theme I use. That said, I will give Webflow a try - I have used Squarespace, Wix, Editor X as well - but I do really like the freedom I have with Wordpress to manage each piece and have never had a bandwidth problem. SiteGround also makes SSL management a breeze as well as providing a lot of performance tools and on demand backups. I got my groove going on with this setup so it's hard to switch. But I admit that Webflow does look interesting, and the marks are high for performance and its built-in SEO tools. Thanks for the video Ran! BTW, my son has been using Webflow and loves it. He hates Wordpress!!😂
@@diversecontent9241 I use SiteOrigin's Page Builder + their widgets bundle with a premium subscription. This isn't the most popular page builder out there but I have developed my own system of designing using SiteOrigin theme Corp (very trim theme) and their plugins. I have trimmed plugins to a minimum overall.
Great video Ran. Even when you ultimately end up doing a little technical stuff, it’s just so much more fun with Webflow. Also with Wordpress having a few troubles lately, maybe open source isn’t that cracked up to what it’s supposed to be.
Thank you so much Ransegall for all the knowledge and information you provide us daily. I am a big Fan and Learner of your Flux Academy and TH-cam channel. I have generated $50k from taking all your courses. May God Bless you and your Beautiful Family. Amen 🙂
You probably won't answer the question but... I'm just starting with webflow, but I'm a heavy Figma user. Do you recommend using the figma plugin to build the websites or maybe creating from scratch in webflow and use the figma design as a reference? Thanks and amazing content and channel!
Hey, noy Ran, but I would really recommend you build in webflow from scratch, especially if you're just starting out. The figma plugin will work on simple layout, but on more complex layouts, you will have to build from scratch in webflow and use your figma design as referemce.
@@mahmudzar Thanks! That was how I did and no regrets. It was harder at the beginning but definitely more rewarding! Now I'm watching tons of videos and tips.
Webflow and WordPress are essentially totally different things. One is WYSIWYG editor, and the other is a proper CMS. BTW, if I had to recommend - Framer over Webflow, any day. Kirby CMS over WordPress.
@@MoinMeister-hz8bdYou can build the website completely free by hosting the WordPress website on your computer. So you don't have to pay till you're done. Then you move it on a hosting platform which is quite cheaper than Webflow
Framer has less overall functionality and possibility, but it’s catching up fast and it’s super easy to use. It’s basically Figma in a way. So the answer is the classic ‘it depends’. Even wix studio is pretty good now.
Yes, WiX Studio is actually super good. I found out that the site performance is also really good overall and it comes with analytics . Webflow doesn’t come with analytics
But i Love Framer. why ? fast to build, easy to learn and you don't have to pay to host site with framer domain you can host unlimited number of website with framer domain. also in my country webflow basic hosting plan = framer pro plan
I agree on everything about the experience as a Designer building a website on Webflow, etc... but in the end it's about that, it's about how you will charge the job to your client. If you or your client lives in USA or in another country that use dollars, its ok. I mean... what is $39 dollars monthly for those who receive in dollars? Super cheap right? But for many of designers in the world that dont work with a strong currency is difficult to charge the clients. With wordpress is more easy to deliver and charge it on our currency. I really would like to migrate to Webflow but I'll only do this if they open pricing plans in BR$ for example.
@Sparksprint2023 if your client is OK with monthly payments go for webflow or they choose webflow but if they are miser or where you live coding and web design is less important or people don't know and you want to make a living go for WordPress. But webflow is not powerful as they advertise. They advertise because they need to earn money to pay for the servers and.... but WordPress team they let users advertise for them because they know how powerful it is
Use what makes sense for your clients and your workflow. No point of buying a Porche for work if you need it for carrying timber through the mud. No need to join tribes
that's how it is with any solution that lets you have more control over your products. Wix exists for people that want something simple but webflow and Wordpress included are for more complex sites.
Have created websites in both wordpress and webflow. And while there are some advantages to both systems, I never really felt that it gave me the flexibility I wanted to create a website. as good as psge builder is today with e.g. bricks and webflow, you just can't do quite the same thing as coding a page by hand. However, Wordpress is far too heavy and slow for this. so my choice fell on Statamic, which gives me the flexibility I wanted and can create a much more dynamic page than with webflow without it taking longer or requiring a lot of php code. However, it requires that you know html and css.
Dear Ran, You just started making videos based on a niche and you have to defend and like it, you couldn't get almost 1 milion followers if you started Wordpress tutorials since there is a lot of competition. That's all,
I primarely work in code and not low-code, however, i am a designer at heart and both are easy to use..webflow is basically figma so..maybe go for that if you know figma. Not really any issue with any of them, use whatever you are comfortable with. At the end of the day, that´s what matters. One thing must be said tho, the owner of one of those products seems a little..idk..let´s say triggerhappy.
A professional website can only be built using an open-source CMS or developed using a robust back-end framework. Otherwise, you lose critical control over essential aspects like CSS, database, and back-end language files (e.g., PHP). You also lack control over hosting and caching. And if the platform changes its pricing, forces you onto a more expensive plan, or suspends your account for violating one of their countless guidelines, you’re stuck with no way to migrate your website elsewhere. Basically, you don't truly own the website you think is yours. All these "no-code nice drag-and-drop UI" CMS platforms are just a Lego set for beginners, with severe consequences users often aren’t aware of when they decide to start using them. Cause they don't have knowledge to understand this. I’m not even mentioning the limitations when it comes to professional on-page SEO. Good for your mom's cooking blog. Nothing more.
@@FluxAcademy I'm aware of this. Don't know any really "huge" case though. Quite big - yes. I was even involved in optimizing couple of such websites. But it only means that some big companies don't own their websites and put themselves behind their competitors right from the start by selecting "good for mom's cooking blog" solutions. Their choice. For me it just means less competition working on professional websites.
It takes less than half an hour to set up all those. Maybe you just didn't put the time to learn. Webflow is great, but doesn't it get too costly for bigger sites? You are a designer, that's what it is. That's what makes Webflow perfect for you. At the end of the day, a tool is just a tool.
Put simply : because you're a designer not a developper. Webflow is targeted at designers so that you can bypass the developer. For me Wordpress shines when you're using a custom built theme that is built to your clients needs. Allowing them to to customise only what they need to. Page builders have always been an afterthought in Wordpress and imo completely suck. I mean what designer wants to come back to their work 3 weeks later to find that the client as completely modified the page and screwed up the design you spent so much time perfecting.
I’m a developer that uses Webflow. Pro user of it and I use premade components from my own library or from others’ to build sites. I then just copy and paste code into projects and match class names or ids to whatever element. WordPress is time consuming, and plugins are a drag. We have more bandwidth and time to do marketing initiatives in Webflow.
@@KabbaModern03 I'm not saying developers shouldn't use Webflow. I'm trying to say that as a designer Webflow will obviously be more appealing than wordpress, that's what it's built for. What you described can be done just as well with wordpress. I'm using it as a headless CMS with a front-end built on svelte, I have a set of base components I use from website to another. The only plugin being ACF to create custom fields. I think Wordpress when used as a CMS is fine. When used as a website builder, I agree, it's an absolute nightmare.
In the process of switching now... It's amazing to be spending all my time working on design... and it's amazing that when I run into problems that I can figure them out and the solutions work. I feel like I lost part of my life to small problems in WP, lol.
Try convincing an average client, that it's worth paying over $500 a year for a website they could have for $50 / year. If it works the same and achieve the same goals, why overpay x100 and not even own the website? And in my experience, the bigger company clients, pay more attention to cost than the "lower" clients who think paying more money, equals more value. Webflow is a tool for designers/developers, but clients don't care how the site is built, they need a site to be working, and at reasonable price. Webflow pricing has never been reasonable.
@@whatsgoinon150 Add localization, hosting and a bunch of other 3rd party plugins that are necessary for the website to be funcional in any way, and suddenly you're better off investing slightly more money for an actual developer to get a WP site aup and running.
@OnlineBusinessIdeas01 well, if they can have the exact same site, that gets the exact same results for $5 a month then why would they overpay for webflow with limited bandwidth and constantly growing prices?
@@Adrian-Sko The thing that you don’t understand is, that the clients do not know this. They are often not tech- savvy, they don’t even nearly have the same knowledge like us. At the end of the day your marketing always determines your price. I know some agencies that build simple marketing pages for around 25-50K €. Just because they can. No one on earth will care about 20$ more or less hosting fees if you are selling it the right way. Maybe a solopreneur that is starting his business. But don’t work with broke people. Just my piece of advice
My friend and I go after clients who are on WordPress because we’re developers and designers that have experience in marketing. Webflow gives us more time for other stuff like making social media content and ads for businesses instead of maintenance or paying someone for a website that doesn’t really help them grow.
Everything is good But The price of your courses are to much for me as a pakitani my father makes £150 in a month so how difficult you could think to buy i have so much enthusiasm to learn but the price of course is not acceptable for me 😞😟😫
Webflow is useless if you honestly ask me. Same goes with framer. It's not about just designing a website without code, it's about having the freedom and choice over your asset. WordPress is way more robust and powerful if you're familiar with it.
So what was u set-up in WordPress? because u cannot say wordpress vs Webflow and go with Divi builder or something like this on a shit hosting. There are so many tools, builders, plug-in in the WordPress community that can make u life eaiser as a freelancer og agency. I even think that WordPress has a more powerful Builder. (bricks) So when comparing please do 1-1 and.
I been using wordpress from almost 4 years now and after try webflow and framer all i can say is these both far better than wordpress in any way! you have more flexibility than in the wordpress! the only key thing about wordpress is its cheap
What webflow lacks to be a dynamic and flexible page builder is. 1. A repeater where you can make flexible sections. e.g. flexible content with afc. 2. A better way to write css! it doesn't work at all in webflow. If I want 3 class's on a div. then you can't just fix the last one without it affecting the rest. I am very confused about the way they have done it. Dossent match morgen Way to write Css. 3. Webflow should focus more on the small but important things to make a website, rather than fancy things like spline animations with 3d. very few pages are made where you need it.
Hi! We have a Webflow course for beginners here on the channel to get you started. When you are ready for a more advanced course, check out our Webflow Masterclass on Flux Academy website. Hope that helps, enjoy!
My friend and I go after clients who are on WordPress because we’re developers and designers that have experience in marketing. Webflow gives us more time for other stuff like making social media content and ads for businesses instead of maintenance or paying someone for a website that doesn’t really help them grow.
I can't get past the fact that Webflow imposes strict limits on bandwidth. It's hard to take them seriously when they cap the number of form submissions a website can receive.
I rather own and control my website than renting it from one company. WordPress is freedom
I personally like Webflow but I am a sick of these Webflow fanboys that think it’s the non plus ultra
For enterprise sites and ecommerce for example Webflow just sucks
WordPress is freedom trash
WordPress might be gone in a year - check the news!
@@74Gee WordPress will be here as long as the web exist, because it's maintained by open source contributor, even if the owner of wp trademark Automatic shut down WordPress will be fine, but if anything go wrong with webflow good luck your website will be gone........
freedom? what freedom. wordpress is no longer open source and wordpress can close and take over a plugin you use without any reason. for me it is not freedom or something that I not dare to build a website on.
The best website builder, whether it's open-source or not, is the one that can help you create the solution that YOU need.
Bingo
With over ten years of experience as a Front-end and WordPress developer, I had been using WordPress until I gave Webflow a real chance-and it turned out to be an amazing experience. It prompted me to shift my entire business to Webflow. As Ran mentioned, it’s a mutually beneficial experience, both for me and my clients. If I had to describe Webflow in one word, it would be “sustainable,” without a doubt. I still support my previous WordPress clients, along with my business partner, who continues using WordPress. Every time, I realize my decision to switch to Webflow was the right one. I completely agree with the idea of using the best tool that suits your needs. However, I encourage anyone who is curious to give Webflow a genuine try. There’s no harm in testing the platform, whether you end up loving it or prefer something else.
Hey Ran, could you maybe make a video on how Webflow works/looks on the client side? 🙏🏽
WordPress Developer here, and I haven't used Webflow yet, but I get what you are saying. To set up WordPress correctly and get it working smoothly, you need to context switch all the time.
Thanks for contributing Gavin ✌️
You forgot to mention that with WordPress you own your sites and with Webflow you rent.
Can you please explain further
@@MoinMeister-hz8bd
WP is self hosted meaning you actually own your files.
With WF - you never get access to the files of server.
@@MoinMeister-hz8bd It is simple. You can read the wordpress code play with apis and databases, scale unlimited, adding more features and functions. You can change hosting anytime. But in webflow, you can't do those things. It's very hard to change one technology to another.
@@MoinMeister-hz8bd Webflow is Host and Server to the same time. WordPress is on your Server.
Webflow let you export your code. Hook to any cms u want.
The comparison between mac and pc, choosing the paid easy way besides the advanced one and having full control, just makes me want to use more wordpress 😇
I love Webflow but the recent bandwidth limitation and extra charges if exceeded - do pose a challenge at work. Ran, how do you feel about this?
If you need some advanced functions like filters, or ecommerce, or custom fileds, what do yo do?
I love webflow but it’s an absolute joke for advanced e-commerce. It lacks sooo many basic functionalities
I like the open-source nature of wordpress and the ability to use any CMS and plugins that I like. I Can literally do more stuffs using code on the Elementor Pro plugin. Thanks for sharing your opinions on wordpress.
But Elementor has absolutely abysmal performance compared to Webflow. And 99% of the plugins for WordPress just introduce features that are standard on every other platform, with the added cost of introducing a bunch of security risks. For small marketing sites, WordPress is more trouble than its worth.
@@ethanrogers9627 I have used Both platforms. So far I haven't experienced any performance issues. I have managed to get my LCP to load at 1 to 1.5 sec mark.
@@ethanrogers9627 I have used both platforms. So far I haven't experienced major performance degrades between these two platforms. I have even managed to load the LCP in the 1-1.5s mark. Wordpress is updated regularly to fix bugs and vulnerabilities. There are a-lot of security plugins that you can install
@@ethanrogers9627 I have used both platforms. So far I haven't had a major degrade in performance when using wordpress websites. On some websites I have even made the LCP load in the 1-1.5s mark. Can you explain how webflow is secure?
Wordpress is very cost efficient than webflow.
That’s subjective and not always true. When you account for setup time/cost and maintenance cost, they could be equal in the long run.
PS: I’m hoping that some day Webflow allows for being able to design the site in their experience and host elsewhere or offers a cheaper hosting option ($5/month or less) and let’s you use an external db to power the CMS. I think they are taking the step with the latter by allowing CMS integration with Notion.
@@sudeepkarmakar WordPress is heavily rely on 3rd party plugins!
I feel like a lot of businesses waste tons of money on maintenance cost of WordPress. And you'll lose a lot more time on the build.
One downside with Webflow is the missing email service, which you have when you set up your website with wordpress on some server.
What solution do you recommend your clients who want to use webflow?
I setup email only hosting for clients using DNS to point to that server and DNS to point to webflow.
This is a great point. Adding additional email hosting really ramps up the price.
Ran is right, its what you prioritize and what you love doing. There are pros and cons and it depends on what's important as the designer or developer. It's his video, his opinion. What I wanted to see is Ran and Kevin Geary in one video 😂😂
Perhaps one of the issues with wordpress is that it has become so big and trying to be everything to everyone. High complexity = repairs and babysitting.
You're right. I'm so tired of all the errors when clents don't pay for maintenance than calling when their site crashes. After this year, I'm done. 🤦🏾♀️
To run a Wordpress website it’s £2,99/month. How much is Webflow per month? Can I temper with the backend, APIs etc or it’s a closed system?
You can
Thanks for your video!
WordPress offers greater flexibility and scalability with its vast ecosystem of plugins and themes, making it ideal for complex, customizable websites. Unlike Webflow, it supports full control over code and is more cost-effective for larger projects.
Whoa, so your WebFlow clients can actually update their websites themselves? I had no idea the platform allowed for those w no experience on WF to be able to login and edit/update basic content. Thats the #2 reason why WP is still my fav site design platform
Your are right that's why I prefer Webflow and and Framer over WordPress and the other reason with WordPress. There seem to be a new argument every other week about something nothing is left another headache you have to deal with.
I use Wordpress exclusively with SiteGround hosting. I can manage all my sites and client websites from a single login (68 in all). I use a very trim Wordpress setup regarding plugins and theme and have had solid performance with little problems enabling auto-updates on the plugins and theme I use. That said, I will give Webflow a try - I have used Squarespace, Wix, Editor X as well - but I do really like the freedom I have with Wordpress to manage each piece and have never had a bandwidth problem. SiteGround also makes SSL management a breeze as well as providing a lot of performance tools and on demand backups. I got my groove going on with this setup so it's hard to switch. But I admit that Webflow does look interesting, and the marks are high for performance and its built-in SEO tools. Thanks for the video Ran! BTW, my son has been using Webflow and loves it. He hates Wordpress!!😂
can you tell me wich page builder you are using
@@diversecontent9241 I use SiteOrigin's Page Builder + their widgets bundle with a premium subscription. This isn't the most popular page builder out there but I have developed my own system of designing using SiteOrigin theme Corp (very trim theme) and their plugins. I have trimmed plugins to a minimum overall.
Great video Ran. Even when you ultimately end up doing a little technical stuff, it’s just so much more fun with Webflow. Also with Wordpress having a few troubles lately, maybe open source isn’t that cracked up to what it’s supposed to be.
Thank you so much Ransegall for all the knowledge and information you provide us daily. I am a big Fan and Learner of your Flux Academy and TH-cam channel. I have generated $50k from taking all your courses. May God Bless you and your Beautiful Family. Amen 🙂
Wow, that's amazing! Glad the courses are helping out.
Strap in for this comment section Ran 😅
Haha. Predictable
Love this, will send to clients!
Good!
You probably won't answer the question but... I'm just starting with webflow, but I'm a heavy Figma user. Do you recommend using the figma plugin to build the websites or maybe creating from scratch in webflow and use the figma design as a reference? Thanks and amazing content and channel!
Hey, noy Ran, but I would really recommend you build in webflow from scratch, especially if you're just starting out. The figma plugin will work on simple layout, but on more complex layouts, you will have to build from scratch in webflow and use your figma design as referemce.
@@mahmudzar Thanks! That was how I did and no regrets. It was harder at the beginning but definitely more rewarding! Now I'm watching tons of videos and tips.
Webflow and WordPress are essentially totally different things. One is WYSIWYG editor, and the other is a proper CMS. BTW, if I had to recommend - Framer over Webflow, any day. Kirby CMS over WordPress.
O kirby CMS, funny name gonna check that out
Why Framer over Webflow?
If webflow is charged monthly and you're making a website for a client, how do you actually make money?
Doesn't WordPress charge monthly or at all?
@@MoinMeister-hz8bd no, only for pro plugins.
No wordpress ls completely free@@MoinMeister-hz8bd
@@MoinMeister-hz8bd Wordpress is open source so obviously no. But 3rd party plugins often do charge monthly
@@MoinMeister-hz8bdYou can build the website completely free by hosting the WordPress website on your computer. So you don't have to pay till you're done. Then you move it on a hosting platform which is quite cheaper than Webflow
What would you prefer between Webflow and Framer? And why?
Do you recommend framer over webflow
Framer has less overall functionality and possibility, but it’s catching up fast and it’s super easy to use. It’s basically Figma in a way. So the answer is the classic ‘it depends’. Even wix studio is pretty good now.
Yes, WiX Studio is actually super good. I found out that the site performance is also really good overall and it comes with analytics . Webflow doesn’t come with analytics
So are you trying to say Webflow doesn’t pay you directly?
this video show that your not trustable on what you talk
But i Love Framer. why ? fast to build, easy to learn and you don't have to pay to host site with framer domain you can host unlimited number of website with framer domain. also in my country webflow basic hosting plan = framer pro plan
I agree on everything about the experience as a Designer building a website on Webflow, etc... but in the end it's about that, it's about how you will charge the job to your client. If you or your client lives in USA or in another country that use dollars, its ok. I mean... what is $39 dollars monthly for those who receive in dollars? Super cheap right? But for many of designers in the world that dont work with a strong currency is difficult to charge the clients. With wordpress is more easy to deliver and charge it on our currency.
I really would like to migrate to Webflow but I'll only do this if they open pricing plans in BR$ for example.
Where are you based?
@@FluxAcademy Brazil
WordPress has become quite problematic due to Matt Mullenweg. Choosing Webflow is a good decision. WordPress has many issues.
It's just a temporary conflict. That's not going to destroy WordPress in any way
When I find a client should I guide them to webflow or is clients tell me which platform they want to use????
@Sparksprint2023 if your client is OK with monthly payments go for webflow or they choose webflow but if they are miser or where you live coding and web design is less important or people don't know and you want to make a living go for WordPress. But webflow is not powerful as they advertise. They advertise because they need to earn money to pay for the servers and.... but WordPress team they let users advertise for them because they know how powerful it is
Use what makes sense for your clients and your workflow. No point of buying a Porche for work if you need it for carrying timber through the mud. No need to join tribes
Bingo
@@FluxAcademy
its because you know everyday people wont be able to get the hang of webflow as easily and then they will turn to you ;) solid marketing
that's how it is with any solution that lets you have more control over your products. Wix exists for people that want something simple but webflow and Wordpress included are for more complex sites.
Is that the one and only Timothy? 0:44 😮😮😮
Have created websites in both wordpress and webflow. And while there are some advantages to both systems, I never really felt that it gave me the flexibility I wanted to create a website. as good as psge builder is today with e.g. bricks and webflow, you just can't do quite the same thing as coding a page by hand. However, Wordpress is far too heavy and slow for this. so my choice fell on Statamic, which gives me the flexibility I wanted and can create a much more dynamic page than with webflow without it taking longer or requiring a lot of php code. However, it requires that you know html and css.
Dear Ran,
You just started making videos based on a niche and you have to defend and like it, you couldn't get almost 1 milion followers if you started Wordpress tutorials since there is a lot of competition. That's all,
Wish webflow were faster. Barely passes the core web vitals..
I primarely work in code and not low-code, however, i am a designer at heart and both are easy to use..webflow is basically figma so..maybe go for that if you know figma. Not really any issue with any of them, use whatever you are comfortable with. At the end of the day, that´s what matters. One thing must be said tho, the owner of one of those products seems a little..idk..let´s say triggerhappy.
A professional website can only be built using an open-source CMS or developed using a robust back-end framework. Otherwise, you lose critical control over essential aspects like CSS, database, and back-end language files (e.g., PHP). You also lack control over hosting and caching. And if the platform changes its pricing, forces you onto a more expensive plan, or suspends your account for violating one of their countless guidelines, you’re stuck with no way to migrate your website elsewhere. Basically, you don't truly own the website you think is yours.
All these "no-code nice drag-and-drop UI" CMS platforms are just a Lego set for beginners, with severe consequences users often aren’t aware of when they decide to start using them. Cause they don't have knowledge to understand this. I’m not even mentioning the limitations when it comes to professional on-page SEO. Good for your mom's cooking blog. Nothing more.
Strong rhetoric, but in reality there's huge companies using Webflow.
@@FluxAcademy I'm aware of this. Don't know any really "huge" case though. Quite big - yes. I was even involved in optimizing couple of such websites. But it only means that some big companies don't own their websites and put themselves behind their competitors right from the start by selecting "good for mom's cooking blog" solutions. Their choice. For me it just means less competition working on professional websites.
WP is the GOAT!
It takes less than half an hour to set up all those. Maybe you just didn't put the time to learn. Webflow is great, but doesn't it get too costly for bigger sites? You are a designer, that's what it is. That's what makes Webflow perfect for you.
At the end of the day, a tool is just a tool.
Wordpress is the boss.... 💪
Why the tribalism? Use which ever is best for the project.
Because specialization pays better. That aside, which types of projects is WordPress better for?
@@ethanrogers9627 Some clients have moved from Webflow back to Wordpress due to functionality issues.
I think WordPress gives me freedom
Freedom to do what?
Webflow is very expensive
Put simply : because you're a designer not a developper. Webflow is targeted at designers so that you can bypass the developer.
For me Wordpress shines when you're using a custom built theme that is built to your clients needs. Allowing them to to customise only what they need to. Page builders have always been an afterthought in Wordpress and imo completely suck. I mean what designer wants to come back to their work 3 weeks later to find that the client as completely modified the page and screwed up the design you spent so much time perfecting.
I’m a developer that uses Webflow. Pro user of it and I use premade components from my own library or from others’ to build sites.
I then just copy and paste code into projects and match class names or ids to whatever element. WordPress is time consuming, and plugins are a drag.
We have more bandwidth and time to do marketing initiatives in Webflow.
@@KabbaModern03 I'm not saying developers shouldn't use Webflow. I'm trying to say that as a designer Webflow will obviously be more appealing than wordpress, that's what it's built for.
What you described can be done just as well with wordpress. I'm using it as a headless CMS with a front-end built on svelte, I have a set of base components I use from website to another. The only plugin being ACF to create custom fields.
I think Wordpress when used as a CMS is fine. When used as a website builder, I agree, it's an absolute nightmare.
In the process of switching now... It's amazing to be spending all my time working on design... and it's amazing that when I run into problems that I can figure them out and the solutions work. I feel like I lost part of my life to small problems in WP, lol.
Y rather html, css and js
Try convincing an average client, that it's worth paying over $500 a year for a website they could have for $50 / year. If it works the same and achieve the same goals, why overpay x100 and not even own the website? And in my experience, the bigger company clients, pay more attention to cost than the "lower" clients who think paying more money, equals more value. Webflow is a tool for designers/developers, but clients don't care how the site is built, they need a site to be working, and at reasonable price. Webflow pricing has never been reasonable.
Why 500? the basic plans starts at 14$ a month bro
Besides that often with WordPress clients have to pay pricey retainers for maintenance and updates
@@whatsgoinon150 Add localization, hosting and a bunch of other 3rd party plugins that are necessary for the website to be funcional in any way, and suddenly you're better off investing slightly more money for an actual developer to get a WP site aup and running.
I personally wouldn’t want to work with a company that can not afford 50$ a month for their site.
@OnlineBusinessIdeas01 well, if they can have the exact same site, that gets the exact same results for $5 a month then why would they overpay for webflow with limited bandwidth and constantly growing prices?
@@Adrian-Sko The thing that you don’t understand is, that the clients do not know this. They are often not tech- savvy, they don’t even nearly have the same knowledge like us.
At the end of the day your marketing always determines your price. I know some agencies that build simple marketing pages for around 25-50K €. Just because they can. No one on earth will care about 20$ more or less hosting fees if you are selling it the right way. Maybe a solopreneur that is starting his business.
But don’t work with broke people.
Just my piece of advice
100%🙌
My friend and I go after clients who are on WordPress because we’re developers and designers that have experience in marketing.
Webflow gives us more time for other stuff like making social media content and ads for businesses instead of maintenance or paying someone for a website that doesn’t really help them grow.
Let’s goo ❤
Everything is good But The price of your courses are to much for me as a pakitani my father makes £150 in a month so how difficult you could think to buy i have so much enthusiasm to learn but the price of course is not acceptable for me 😞😟😫
Webflow is useless if you honestly ask me. Same goes with framer. It's not about just designing a website without code, it's about having the freedom and choice over your asset.
WordPress is way more robust and powerful if you're familiar with it.
So what was u set-up in WordPress? because u cannot say wordpress vs Webflow and go with Divi builder or something like this on a shit hosting.
There are so many tools, builders, plug-in in the WordPress community that can make u life eaiser as a freelancer og agency.
I even think that WordPress has a more powerful Builder. (bricks)
So when comparing please do 1-1 and.
How you rank Webflow website on Google search? Please answer
Same as every other CMS.
@@jochen_x Do you mean relay on 3rd party plugins?
@@saleemkabirkhan no, content is king.
You are making a big mistake. Change your awesome courses to wordpress and then see how the amazing community is going to support you
I been using wordpress from almost 4 years now and after try webflow and framer all i can say is these both far better than wordpress in any way! you have more flexibility than in the wordpress! the only key thing about wordpress is its cheap
What webflow lacks to be a dynamic and flexible page builder is.
1. A repeater where you can make flexible sections. e.g. flexible content with afc.
2. A better way to write css! it doesn't work at all in webflow. If I want 3 class's on a div. then you can't just fix the last one without it affecting the rest. I am very confused about the way they have done it. Dossent match morgen Way to write Css.
3. Webflow should focus more on the small but important things to make a website, rather than fancy things like spline animations with 3d. very few pages are made where you need it.
Please start a series for webflow form beginner to advanced ❤❤❤❤❤b
Hi! We have a Webflow course for beginners here on the channel to get you started. When you are ready for a more advanced course, check out our Webflow Masterclass on Flux Academy website. Hope that helps, enjoy!
I couldn't agree more
WordPress is a horrible experience.
If you are serious about your online business Webflow is the way to go.
First?
My friend and I go after clients who are on WordPress because we’re developers and designers that have experience in marketing.
Webflow gives us more time for other stuff like making social media content and ads for businesses instead of maintenance or paying someone for a website that doesn’t really help them grow.