Most people and partners won't be leaving WordPress anytime soon. Their market share is too high and costly for partners and developers to leave. So, wordpress will be just fine. Only sharks are hoping for the death of wordpress. The open source model is popular and most people still believe in it's mission, despite this cat fight that will quickly be forgotten.
Tech evolves very quickly. What are wordpress's advantages? Brand and extensions. The actual core wordpress is pretty basic. a database of posts, users, roles and comments. Nobody wants gutenberg, it's a poor attempt at a block building platform. The style editor sucks and it slows down my workflow - so I refuse to use it. Other CMS's do CMS better. They just need to do the extension part better and then we all move on. Matt, you're an idiot for trying to fork the most popular plugin.
Absolutely. WordPress is thriving because of the ecosystem. That's really it. If not for the ecosystem, I'd already have moved on to something else. When I said making a genuinely competitive alternative wouldn't be quick or easy, I was mainly referring to building a true plugin ecosystem around it. I think it will take many years for an ecosystem to challenge WordPress, but if WordPress continues down this path, we're going to see it sooner than later.
@@celestialnubian due to the timing when I got into WordPress eco system, FSE and block themes were actually getting better and also I liked the idea of not being locked in to a specific 3rd party page builder and their themes.
If you have advice for someone who wants to specialize in building websites with 3-5 pages and landing pages, would you advise them to continue with WordPress or learn Framer or Webflow?
If you're building sites for clients and recommending the platform for them, I might invest some time learning Framer, Webflow, or Wix Studio. These builders all feel like "next generation" options compared to WordPress in my view. I think it comes down to the client's preference. If they're indifferent on it, I would just pick whichever one is easiest to get the job done. If they specifically want tight control over data ownership and hosting, WordPress is still the obvious pick. Most businesses likely wouldn't mind paying $30-50/month to have their website hosted, and when you remove the data control "issue" from the picture, I think they're a bit more intuitive and powerful than WordPress in many cases. However, I don't think WordPress is going anywhere any time soon, and since you already know it, you can still use it when clients want it.
@@CraylorThank you for your interest in replying and answering my inquiry If I want to learn a platform next to WordPress that is in demand in the market, smooth in dealing, and suitable and achieves the goal of designing landing pages or simplified websites for sectors such as real estate, travel, tourism, health and wellness, and portfolio websites, which one should I learn from? These platforms first and master them, then move on to the next: Is Webflow first or Framer first to learn?
@@mofunnel I'd try Webflow first. Framer is good if you use Photoshop/Canva regularly and want to design a website like an artboard, but Webflow is more powerful and capable.
@@Craylor Wix Studio seems like a joke compared to WordPress. It is not flexible wrt functionality. In the long run, Webflow is super more expensive, and I have no information about Framer.
This is my 2 cents take. All this WordPress drama, could just be a staged thing between Matt & WPEngine. The WordPress world has been pretty boring all this while and this is a way to spice things up. In the end they make tons of money and we are ultimately the consumers.
This is why I have serious concerns about the long term viability of WordPress. Sure, it's not going anywhere in the near future, but I don't think it's exempt from losing its authority if he keeps going down this path.
@sambosok9 You have no idea about anything. They actually do a lot but If ACF was their only contribution, it would be significant because ACF makes wp 100x better. This is why Matt attempted to hijack it. Stop repeating talking points. I'm no fan of the PE companies buying up plugins but Matt is not the hero here.
Most people and partners won't be leaving WordPress anytime soon. Their market share is too high and costly for partners and developers to leave. So, wordpress will be just fine. Only sharks are hoping for the death of wordpress. The open source model is popular and most people still believe in it's mission, despite this cat fight that will quickly be forgotten.
Tech evolves very quickly. What are wordpress's advantages? Brand and extensions.
The actual core wordpress is pretty basic. a database of posts, users, roles and comments. Nobody wants gutenberg, it's a poor attempt at a block building platform. The style editor sucks and it slows down my workflow - so I refuse to use it.
Other CMS's do CMS better. They just need to do the extension part better and then we all move on.
Matt, you're an idiot for trying to fork the most popular plugin.
Absolutely. WordPress is thriving because of the ecosystem. That's really it. If not for the ecosystem, I'd already have moved on to something else. When I said making a genuinely competitive alternative wouldn't be quick or easy, I was mainly referring to building a true plugin ecosystem around it. I think it will take many years for an ecosystem to challenge WordPress, but if WordPress continues down this path, we're going to see it sooner than later.
@lucketvids Actually, Gutenberg is the right direction. Having a bunch of themes that lock your content into a non standard format is so dated.
@@celestialnubian due to the timing when I got into WordPress eco system, FSE and block themes were actually getting better and also I liked the idea of not being locked in to a specific 3rd party page builder and their themes.
The whole thing just screams petty, keep the WordPress users out of it.
If you have advice for someone who wants to specialize in building websites with 3-5 pages and landing pages, would you advise them to continue with WordPress or learn Framer or Webflow?
If you're building sites for clients and recommending the platform for them, I might invest some time learning Framer, Webflow, or Wix Studio. These builders all feel like "next generation" options compared to WordPress in my view.
I think it comes down to the client's preference. If they're indifferent on it, I would just pick whichever one is easiest to get the job done. If they specifically want tight control over data ownership and hosting, WordPress is still the obvious pick.
Most businesses likely wouldn't mind paying $30-50/month to have their website hosted, and when you remove the data control "issue" from the picture, I think they're a bit more intuitive and powerful than WordPress in many cases.
However, I don't think WordPress is going anywhere any time soon, and since you already know it, you can still use it when clients want it.
@@CraylorThank you for your interest in replying and answering my inquiry
If I want to learn a platform next to WordPress that is in demand in the market, smooth in dealing, and suitable and achieves the goal of designing landing pages or simplified websites for sectors such as real estate, travel, tourism, health and wellness, and portfolio websites,
which one should I learn from? These platforms first and master them, then move on to the next: Is Webflow first or Framer first to learn?
@@mofunnel I'd try Webflow first. Framer is good if you use Photoshop/Canva regularly and want to design a website like an artboard, but Webflow is more powerful and capable.
@@Craylor I will focus more on build landing pages and high-converting sales pages, so what is appropriate from your point of view and experience
@@Craylor Wix Studio seems like a joke compared to WordPress. It is not flexible wrt functionality. In the long run, Webflow is super more expensive, and I have no information about Framer.
This is my 2 cents take. All this WordPress drama, could just be a staged thing between Matt & WPEngine. The WordPress world has been pretty boring all this while and this is a way to spice things up. In the end they make tons of money and we are ultimately the consumers.
@mazlanhalim9141 Ridiculous take but hey, you do you.
You have only argued one side.
its not requiered anymore the accept that pinneapple are good for pizza :P
I saw they made that change shortly after I filmed this. I'm glad they made that change.
Good video!
To be clear, pineapple is not delicious on pizza. Some people may think it is, but it's not. I'm glad we finally got that settled. 🍕+🍍= 🤮
@tedspens Which just further highlights how much of a weirdo Matt is.
@@celestialnubian 🤣🤣✌
Hot mess. Matt needs to wake up and check his ego. Larger orgs/companies have fallen. Ask Sears. et al.
This is why I have serious concerns about the long term viability of WordPress. Sure, it's not going anywhere in the near future, but I don't think it's exempt from losing its authority if he keeps going down this path.
WP Engine should share more profits with WP and the community, it’s like a rip off and I’d do the same if I’m Matt!
@sambosok9 You have no idea about anything. They actually do a lot but If ACF was their only contribution, it would be significant because ACF makes wp 100x better. This is why Matt attempted to hijack it. Stop repeating talking points. I'm no fan of the PE companies buying up plugins but Matt is not the hero here.