Translation: Whats this?! x3 there is a plane there!, Abort takeoff, abort takeoff two. - copy - Down(as in he broght something down) - radio cahtter - We got the cable - did you see the aircraft on the runway? - do you need a net? - negative we got the cable, two stop.
im assuming it was the 2 seater and he was talking to the back seater, you can hear clearer talk and when he asked if he saw its not in radio speak. and deploying the cable and hook is SOP for any case like this.
Israel retired the last F-16C earlier this year, so those are either F-16D Barak IIs or (much more likely) F-16I Sufas, which are both two-seaters. If I'm not wrong, the single seaters got pulled because air defense duties are now being handled by the F-35I Adir and F-15C Akef to a lesser degree
Sounds to me like a dual takeoff, so 2 planes and at least 3 on the radio. I think PIC in leading plane #1 is doing the shouting, abort and calling plane #2 to stop behind them, SIC is handling the cable calmly, not sure who is asking about the net - intuitively tower but the voice is similar to #2
Hi Mover, Im an Israeli Pilot and an F-16 instructor. The Total fuel lbs on the CNI page in the DED shown on the HUD is something every israeli F16 blocks has.. included Green UHF / GRN and RED/VHF. He said in hebrew : What is that? X3 times, and then 'aborting take off. did u see that airplane on the runaway??' then the Tower said to him 'Do You need us to raise the NET (at the end of the runaway)?' and he replied with 'No that's ok, We got our Hook Out, catched a Cable, 2 hold' ... For anymore questions about Israeli Air Force tactics and More, Feel free to ask / contact :) Love You Mover. Keep up the good videos.
@TaylorGreenFly that's interesting, aren't Israeli F-16's and F-35's a bit different to the standard models? Also I thought that Israeli pilots had to hide their identity and not show their faces, is this wrong /changed now?
@@retix11 Israeli F16s and F35s are different. so is the avionics, weapons, and tactics. Each Air Force and its own needs and background and tech.... There are over 100 israeli companies working on the F-16I .... some for unique israeli made systems and some for weapons and ect... The IAF is using very advanced weapons, and tactics. so is the USAF and Navy but they won't post it on TH-cam and neither we. :)
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MOVER I really appreciate your content. As a retired ABM this is the kind of nightmare that haunts controllers... and I'm sure the pilots had a very intense debrief. Great airmanship.
02:07 What's that? What's that? What's that? 02:08 (unclear) 02:10 I abort takeoff 02:11 Number 2- abort takeoff! 02:13 (tower? WSO?) arresting hook! 02:15 hook down! 02:22 We ran into the arresting cable 02:25 (pilot, addressing the tower) Did you see that other plane on the runway? 02:28 (tower) Do you need (to raise) the arresting net? 02:39 Negative. We ran into the cable. Number 2- knock it off.
p.s. At 02:08 - the unclear part- it sounds like he's shouting out an anacronym to the backseater- something like "execute AFEC abort takeoff (air force emergency checklist)" But I'm just second-guessing. Any other Hebrew speaker/IAF expert here who cares to help?
Reminds me of an incident that happened to a crew in my 130 unit in Iraq, early '05. It was a calm dark night and a 130 and a Viper were both taking off from the same runway in opposite directions. Investigators think two radios both transmitted at the same time and cancelled out each others' signals, so neither knew the other was there as they started head-on take offs. The F-16 got off the ground first in full burner and passed about 50 feet over the Herk. I don't know about the Viper driver, but our crew was shook up and were grounded while the authorities investigated.
lol I like the term lane change. All I could think about was ripping down the highway at 170mph and suddenly seeing a fighter jet in the way. I can't even imagine it (I've only gone 150 lol).
@@mikelastname what are you talking about. Obviously they have control surfaces 😂 I was focusing on the point that Vipers are notoriously easy to tip over whilst manoeuvring on the ground
@@technowelliebobs4779 I was messing around. I was not aware this was an issue with Vipers being so unstable - reminds me a lot of a cheap camera tripod I used to own.
I was at a Tornado Front Line RAF Marham during 1980's. And on an Exercise something similar happened. The Safety was improved by a Installation of a CCTV at the far end of the Runway. It used a Microwave Data Link back to the ATC Visual Tower Controller area.
It should also be noted that the pilot was told to lower the hook over radio, we then see him look over to the hook switch and saying “I lowered it”, and then announcing they caught the cable. Later they also ask him if he needs a net (kinda late to ask that though tbh) and the pilot answers again “negative, we’ve caught the cable”. A later part that is not in the public video is someone saying “we’ll have to debrief this”
Everything in the IDF requires a debrief 😂 If the IAF is anything like the Green IDF it'll be תחקיר כמעט תאונה בעת המראה א.נ. א.נ. Insert some bulshit here Insert some לקחים here Signature
Having never flown a fast mover, I was always taught to leave it on the ground if you experience issues, but this is insanely fast. I remember the cable for run off at Minot having huge chain links to drag if you hooked the cable. There is a lot more to operations on the ground than most realize. I was a jet mech on the F-106 Dart and while an interesting job, the location did indeed suck. Many stories on flightline duty to fuel dump valve stuck open in the hanger to crew chief leaving one air intake cover on. Thankfully pilot noticed EGT and never took off. And so many other stories you never hear of. You probably heard of the 6 that landed itself after pilot ejected, not being able to straighten out a spin. Upshot was... The pilot ejecting, changed the weight and balance, plane leveled out and landed in a field of snow and was repaired a returned to service. I was not there then. Many incidents on the runway with the very high angle of attack of the delta wing.
The takeoff abort was done with the end of runway cables. The tower asked if the end of runway net is required but the pilot responds its not needed as they were successfuly caught by the cable. Love your channel and insights!
@@clayz1he’s not claiming to be it’s just fun places we’re familiar with in game get mentioned irl. Big part of my country is in DCS and I recognize lots of it.
@@AntonAdelson They've actually re-writing the F-16's software all the time. Only IAF exception is the F-35, where they only received some programming hooks and not complete access to the source code.
He says when he sees the other plane What is this ? Abort takeoff , 2 i dropped it down (he was talking about arresting hook) it got into the cable you saw that plane in the runway ? is there a net ? (safety net ) we got into the cable , 2 hold on
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Other than freaking out, he’s basically saying “abort takeoff”, he’s than asking for the “cable “, just like on a carrier they have 3 cables on each end. They then try to figure out what happened and that’s it Hebrew speaker here
he's saying what is this what is this wat is this (mase mase mase), then stop on 2 stop down there, the pilot was very chill, once he could govern the plane to the side.. then said on radio did you see that code of other aircraft on the runway, to whoever was on the other end.. again he was very very chill when he spoke on the radio. I suspect this was actually some kind of training. And judging by the pilots voice tone he must be not older than 20 years old.
It might have been a training flight, but the incident on the runway was certainly not training. You don't train with multiple multi-million-dollar fighter jets and their living pilots intentionally put in harms way. If they wanted to train to this scenario, it would be a simulator situation.
Ynet news article says this was a strike mission (not training), and the crews of the F-16s were composed of a brigadier general and three other senior officers (no 20-year olds). ATC controller was distracted by mobile phone, cleared one F-16 to take off while another was still crossing runway. Controller removed from duties and given 8 days detention.
@@Spectator1959 Ynet can say whatever they want but I can assure you this kid in the cockpit is not older than 25 and definitely nowhere close to even being a captain. But great job anyhow as F16 on the ground is finnicky as hell.
There is a translation of what was said in the responses, including a precise description of HUD functions that are unique to the Israeli Air Force. It should be added that Israeli F-16 planes do not have a braking parachute.
you ware not far off with your guess (2:41) pilot (shocked) saying "what is this?!!" (x3) pilot declaring "aborting take off" pilot asking the controller "if he knew about the other F16"
Some details from the Israeli newspaper. The two aircraft are two-seater F16D. Israeli airforce aircraft usually have customized avionics. The pilot who aborted takeof is high ranked officer (equivalent to US Brigadier General). The event was caused by reserve tower controller mistake who approved takeoff when the runway was occupied. They write he used his cell phone at the same time. He was sent to 8 days in prison and then dismissed from his role.
The pilot in the HUD video swerved to the left, the other pilot swerved to their left - is that an agreed upon direction? Or was it that they were already offset and each pilot moved to increase the gap.
Ramat David 29 doesn't have a midpoint exit taxiway. So I am wondering where the exiting pilot was going. And this also appears to be a head on conflict. So did the controller assign incorrect landing headings to the non-video aircraft? At least the pilots are okay minus some potentially soiled flight suits. Would they have to remove the ACES to clean that up?
Can you tell if they were both taking off in the opposite direction on the same runway. Or did one just land and was taxing to the exits. IT IS NO SECRET that the Israeli military airports have underground hangars. Maybe the one guy that landed was heading towards the hangar ramps ?
9:32 Forgive my ignorance on the F-16, but if you made such a dramatic turn at such a high speed, wouldn’t the nose wheel or the main wheels suffer significant damage? Like the type of damage that would ground the aircraft for a while
WOW, I been in a pucker factor in an 18 wheeler years ago You couldn't put a tooth pick up my arc Flying through Hats off great reaction U have to be ready for anything at a moments notice almost ahead of it
Great training, great pilot, everything on the aircraft working. This is the result you can expect. Do you think this scenario will get loaded in the simulator?
Good discription, the general audience might need a better explanation on why the lack of visibility when you have another F-16 landing at you head-on.
deanduch below said that they deployed the tailhook and stopped with the cable. that was kind of interesting and suggests they always have the arresting wire set up during operations.
Mover, was he far enough along to where NWS had been disengaged and how would that effected his swerve? Also, was he crossing behind the other viper long enough where jet wash would be a factor, especially with he other pilot feeling the GTFO vibes from the dude on takeoff? Great video and great reflexes from the pilots here. Glad that nobody was harmed and live to fly again.
My guess at a Translation: Who hired the DCS fanboy to run air traffic control?! We can't respawn in this game dude! I don't even have the ability to hit Win+Home to autostart after I crash a jet in real life. Come on guys! Be Safe!
I think the initial "what's going on/what is that?" (ma zeh? ma zeh? ma zeh?) was from the controller since the voice affirming the command to abort takeoff sounds different while the command to abort sounds similar the the exclamation. So I think the controller noticed that both planes were about to collide and the "ma zeh" was more of the "what the hell is going on here" kind than a "what is that" kind. Maybe someone else approved take off? Maybe there was miscommunication surrounding the approval? But controller here sounds surprised and a little pissed when asking what is going on.
I only fly Cessna and will never fly something that has a HUD IRL. However, in DCS I've noticed often that the HUD's horizon line gets in the way of viewing traffic down the runway (esp if the HMD is active in the A10). Looks like the HUD had that symbology on. Have you ever needed to look around it to see down the runway?
FYI - Ramat David was built as an RAF airbase almost 90 years ago...imho - the British way of designing runways and base is inherently flawed - whatever was relevant then is more risk prone today
at 8:21 you can just make out the other jet dead center of the runway on the right screen. so he must have been backtracking the controllers should have seen that. the control tower is only about a 1000' or (300m depending on where your from) from runway 11/29
The difficult part of this is that at that fast, you can't just jam the rudder to veer around something easily like it seems to shows here - it was real skillful what he did. You are basically a fragile tricycle going 185 mph so tipping with that small tricycle gear is a real concern trying to maneuver at those speeds. Especially then getting back onto centerline and not go off roading, that's a real critical point to tip.
how’s it possible for a fighter jet at 160 to do a brusk left movement and not to tilt? It’s not a Ferrari with its center weight 10cm above ground… /me scratching my head
I see the DED info repeated in the HUD often in cockpit videos. Is the reasoning that it's just easier at a glance, or another reason to have the redundancy?
This comment is totally unrelated but I figured the only way you might really see it. Will the standby ADI in the hornet tumble and lock after an inverted or high G maneuver? I ask this because it does in DCS and when asked about it on the forum was told it 'works as intended.' by mods. It doesn't make sense that a backup instrument in a combat aircraft would be rendered inoperable because the aircraft did what it was supposed to do. Scenario: You jink to avoid a SAM and take a hit, avionics are out. you still have your standby adi, but the adi is locked upside down because of the maneuver you did to evade the sam. If true.. that's pretty shitty... and this has been bugging me for years but figured I'd just ask.
I submit to you that this was, in fact, great driving, not great flying. lol, jk. Hell of a reaction! I was at that RF preflighting our jet when that F-16 incident happened, it was NOT good. Thanks for the video and reminder how fast it can go south. Its a serious game we play out there, some people don't get it.
This reminds me of a scene in "A Night on Earth" where Roberto Benigni driving a cab at night while wearing dark sunglasses, casually crosses in between moving cars while going way too fast for any control and then goes: "Booh?" This ain't skill. This ain't even hairy. This is just "Thank you God"
An aircraft was cleared for takeoff before I cleared the runway today. I was surprised. I was on landing rollout tho. Usually they don’t do that at military fields in the U.S.
Even in the sim its not easy to get the Viper to a halt before the runway ends, especially when its loaded. I need to learn this dual leg air-braking. Kind of weird to design the jet that way. I wonder if they changed something for the heavier israeli Sufa's. Seeing that I gotta learn a safe abortion procedure for those high speeds, too... I think that incident is about half a second before I usually pull the stick back for take off
I would imagine all Israeli fighter pilots are getting a lot of air time atm. Which of course means the tower controllers are working hard too. At what point do you think too many missions and intercepts becomes an issue? Or is there such a thing as a fighter pilot wanting to fly less?
@FirstDagger it is a bit of a quirky ship. It has some definite positives and negatives. More attack Focus than air to air. Kind of Nerfed on abilities, like carrying the AIM-120.
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Translation: Whats this?! x3 there is a plane there!, Abort takeoff, abort takeoff two. - copy - Down(as in he broght something down) - radio cahtter - We got the cable - did you see the aircraft on the runway? - do you need a net? - negative we got the cable, two stop.
im assuming it was the 2 seater and he was talking to the back seater, you can hear clearer talk and when he asked if he saw its not in radio speak. and deploying the cable and hook is SOP for any case like this.
מי אתה הלו? 😂
Israel retired the last F-16C earlier this year, so those are either F-16D Barak IIs or (much more likely) F-16I Sufas, which are both two-seaters. If I'm not wrong, the single seaters got pulled because air defense duties are now being handled by the F-35I Adir and F-15C Akef to a lesser degree
Sounds to me like a dual takeoff, so 2 planes and at least 3 on the radio.
I think PIC in leading plane #1 is doing the shouting, abort and calling plane #2 to stop behind them, SIC is handling the cable calmly, not sure who is asking about the net - intuitively tower but the voice is similar to #2
That last one is the tower controller @@Rid3rHD
Hi Mover, Im an Israeli Pilot and an F-16 instructor. The Total fuel lbs on the CNI page in the DED shown on the HUD is something every israeli F16 blocks has.. included Green UHF / GRN and RED/VHF. He said in hebrew : What is that? X3 times, and then 'aborting take off. did u see that airplane on the runaway??' then the Tower said to him 'Do You need us to raise the NET (at the end of the runaway)?' and he replied with 'No that's ok, We got our Hook Out, catched a Cable, 2 hold' ... For anymore questions about Israeli Air Force tactics and More, Feel free to ask / contact :) Love You Mover. Keep up the good videos.
@TaylorGreenFly that's interesting, aren't Israeli F-16's and F-35's a bit different to the standard models? Also I thought that Israeli pilots had to hide their identity and not show their faces, is this wrong /changed now?
@@retix11 Israeli F16s and F35s are different. so is the avionics, weapons, and tactics. Each Air Force and its own needs and background and tech.... There are over 100 israeli companies working on the F-16I .... some for unique israeli made systems and some for weapons and ect... The IAF is using very advanced weapons, and tactics. so is the USAF and Navy but they won't post it on TH-cam and neither we. :)
@@TaylorGreenFly - I have no questions, just appreciation for your translation, explanation and answers. Thank you!
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Just know 99% of Americans trust you and believe in your cause. Don’t waste your time trying to figure out our American Media. It angers and frustrates us everyday.
Mover, congratulations on your approach and landing on 100 million views. A toast to the next 100 million!
MOVER I really appreciate your content. As a retired ABM this is the kind of nightmare that haunts controllers... and I'm sure the pilots had a very intense debrief.
Great airmanship.
02:07 What's that? What's that? What's that?
02:08 (unclear)
02:10 I abort takeoff
02:11 Number 2- abort takeoff!
02:13 (tower? WSO?) arresting hook!
02:15 hook down!
02:22 We ran into the arresting cable
02:25 (pilot, addressing the tower) Did you see that other plane on the runway?
02:28 (tower) Do you need (to raise) the arresting net?
02:39 Negative. We ran into the cable. Number 2- knock it off.
p.s. At 02:08 - the unclear part- it sounds like he's shouting out an anacronym to the backseater- something like "execute AFEC abort takeoff (air force emergency checklist)"
But I'm just second-guessing. Any other Hebrew speaker/IAF expert here who cares to help?
Reminds me of an incident that happened to a crew in my 130 unit in Iraq, early '05. It was a calm dark night and a 130 and a Viper were both taking off from the same runway in opposite directions. Investigators think two radios both transmitted at the same time and cancelled out each others' signals, so neither knew the other was there as they started head-on take offs. The F-16 got off the ground first in full burner and passed about 50 feet over the Herk. I don't know about the Viper driver, but our crew was shook up and were grounded while the authorities investigated.
Is this how fighter guys dab on transports?
I'm surprised about the stability of the fighter with a lane change at that speed, with that weight. Very well saved by this professional!
I was thinking this, couldn’t have been far from tipping over
lol I like the term lane change. All I could think about was ripping down the highway at 170mph and suddenly seeing a fighter jet in the way. I can't even imagine it (I've only gone 150 lol).
@@technowelliebobs4779 unlike us plebs in cars, these guys have some aero surfaces as well as rubber on tarmac to maneuver.
@@mikelastname what are you talking about. Obviously they have control surfaces 😂 I was focusing on the point that Vipers are notoriously easy to tip over whilst manoeuvring on the ground
@@technowelliebobs4779 I was messing around. I was not aware this was an issue with Vipers being so unstable - reminds me a lot of a cheap camera tripod I used to own.
Amazing with that short coupled landing gear he didn't roll it. He definitely "flew the plane" on the ground.
Looks like another day on a DCS MP server lol
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Every takeoff on GS assumes a runway conflict!
I guess this will make do until you do your review of the F-35B crash. Always awesome to hear first hand insight from you.
I was at a Tornado Front Line RAF Marham during 1980's. And on an Exercise something similar happened. The Safety was improved by a Installation of a CCTV at the far end of the Runway. It used a Microwave Data Link back to the ATC Visual Tower Controller area.
It should also be noted that the pilot was told to lower the hook over radio, we then see him look over to the hook switch and saying “I lowered it”, and then announcing they caught the cable.
Later they also ask him if he needs a net (kinda late to ask that though tbh) and the pilot answers again “negative, we’ve caught the cable”. A later part that is not in the public video is someone saying “we’ll have to debrief this”
Everything in the IDF requires a debrief 😂
If the IAF is anything like the Green IDF it'll be
תחקיר כמעט תאונה בעת המראה
א.נ. א.נ.
Insert some bulshit here
Insert some לקחים here
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Having never flown a fast mover, I was always taught to leave it on the ground if you experience issues, but this is insanely fast. I remember the cable for run off at Minot having huge chain links to drag if you hooked the cable. There is a lot more to operations on the ground than most realize. I was a jet mech on the F-106 Dart and while an interesting job, the location did indeed suck. Many stories on flightline duty to fuel dump valve stuck open in the hanger to crew chief leaving one air intake cover on. Thankfully pilot noticed EGT and never took off. And so many other stories you never hear of. You probably heard of the 6 that landed itself after pilot ejected, not being able to straighten out a spin. Upshot was... The pilot ejecting, changed the weight and balance, plane leveled out and landed in a field of snow and was repaired a returned to service. I was not there then. Many incidents on the runway with the very high angle of attack of the delta wing.
Great overview. IIRC, the block 50 has fuel option on the DED, then you can repeat the DED on the HUD.
The takeoff abort was done with the end of runway cables. The tower asked if the end of runway net is required but the pilot responds its not needed as they were successfuly caught by the cable.
Love your channel and insights!
"ramat david" bro i takeoff and land so much on that airfield in dcs that's insane to hear that in a real life report
Your'e a genuine veteran.
@@clayz1he’s not claiming to be it’s just fun places we’re familiar with in game get mentioned irl. Big part of my country is in DCS and I recognize lots of it.
He hit 162 knots before he applied the brakes. 😱 What would have been his rotation speed assuming two bags and two GBU38?
It was probably 150ish. Remember, the aircraft is still accelerating from the time he makes the decision to the time he goes to idle.
Also it seems he has the sun right on his face, so pretty difficult to spot a plane on the runway
Thank you so much for this deconstruction! Been waiting to see someone knowledgeable comment.
To be able to somehow avoid that collision at that speed is crazy, Glad they both ok
Fuel state on the HUD is one of those things that really should have been there from the first A models.
Anyone knows if it's something specific to Israeli planes or also on US' ones too?
@@AntonAdelson They've actually re-writing the F-16's software all the time. Only IAF exception is the F-35, where they only received some programming hooks and not complete access to the source code.
He says when he sees the other plane
What is this ?
Abort takeoff , 2
i dropped it down (he was talking about arresting hook)
it got into the cable
you saw that plane in the runway ?
is there a net ? (safety net )
we got into the cable , 2 hold on
That is the danger of prolonged combat operations, people start to get complacent.
Combat? against who?
@@JeffSyam Israel has been attacked on 7 fronts since more than a year. Read the news.
@@JeffSyam any civilian that isn't of their religion lmao
Israel is the highest concentration of Atheist's in the world. Nearly 70%.
When referring to killing civilians over religion. This is almost always Islam. Hamas. Hezbollah. Al-Qaeda. ISIS.
The overwhelming evidence speaks for itself.
@@sizzlepopbacon7406 Victim card ain't working nomore.
According to media, the pilot is BG Roy Bakshi, so pilot experience was on the higher side there.
Other than freaking out, he’s basically saying “abort takeoff”, he’s than asking for the “cable “, just like on a carrier they have 3 cables on each end.
They then try to figure out what happened and that’s it
Hebrew speaker here
he's saying what is this what is this wat is this (mase mase mase), then stop on 2 stop down there, the pilot was very chill, once he could govern the plane to the side.. then said on radio did you see that code of other aircraft on the runway, to whoever was on the other end.. again he was very very chill when he spoke on the radio.
I suspect this was actually some kind of training. And judging by the pilots voice tone he must be not older than 20 years old.
It might have been a training flight, but the incident on the runway was certainly not training. You don't train with multiple multi-million-dollar fighter jets and their living pilots intentionally put in harms way. If they wanted to train to this scenario, it would be a simulator situation.
Dunno about 20 years old: it typically takes 5 years to get into that seat.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media would be surprised if Israel is currently conducting training flights 20 miles from the Lebanese border?
Ynet news article says this was a strike mission (not training), and the crews of the F-16s were composed of a brigadier general and three other senior officers (no 20-year olds). ATC controller was distracted by mobile phone, cleared one F-16 to take off while another was still crossing runway. Controller removed from duties and given 8 days detention.
@@Spectator1959 Ynet can say whatever they want but I can assure you this kid in the cockpit is not older than 25 and definitely nowhere close to even being a captain. But great job anyhow as F16 on the ground is finnicky as hell.
There is a translation of what was said in the responses, including a precise description of HUD functions that are unique to the Israeli Air Force. It should be added that Israeli F-16 planes do not have a braking parachute.
Thanks for covering this. Have you seen the video of the helos shooting down the drones? Crazy!
you ware not far off with your guess (2:41)
pilot (shocked) saying "what is this?!!" (x3)
pilot declaring "aborting take off"
pilot asking the controller "if he knew about the other F16"
Some details from the Israeli newspaper.
The two aircraft are two-seater F16D. Israeli airforce aircraft usually have customized avionics.
The pilot who aborted takeof is high ranked officer (equivalent to US Brigadier General).
The event was caused by reserve tower controller mistake who approved takeoff when the runway was occupied. They write he used his cell phone at the same time. He was sent to 8 days in prison and then dismissed from his role.
The pilot in the HUD video swerved to the left, the other pilot swerved to their left - is that an agreed upon direction? Or was it that they were already offset and each pilot moved to increase the gap.
Standard runway deconfliction I believe.
No just common sense given the situation
Holy shit ! I have never seen this before - Wow . Way too close . Saved both jets !
Ramat David 29 doesn't have a midpoint exit taxiway. So I am wondering where the exiting pilot was going. And this also appears to be a head on conflict. So did the controller assign incorrect landing headings to the non-video aircraft? At least the pilots are okay minus some potentially soiled flight suits. Would they have to remove the ACES to clean that up?
Well that will wake you up.
Thank you for the amazing video !!! AS ALWAYS!!
Hi Mover. The actual stop was via hook and cable. In addition in real time you can hear him aborting number 2’s takeoff
Didn’t see the cable engagement but definitely makes sense.
actually he said he used cable to stop & no need for emergency net. one of the air crew also ask the 2nd if he saw the other jet?
Can you tell if they were both taking off in the opposite direction on the same runway. Or did one just land and was taxing to the exits.
IT IS NO SECRET that the Israeli military airports have underground hangars. Maybe the one guy that landed was heading towards the hangar ramps ?
9:32 Forgive my ignorance on the F-16, but if you made such a dramatic turn at such a high speed, wouldn’t the nose wheel or the main wheels suffer significant damage? Like the type of damage that would ground the aircraft for a while
I'm pretty sure the gear got an overall garage inspection after this incident.
That parachute is commonly called drag chute or drogue chute on a plane. I used to pack them in my Air Force days for F5, F16 and even F4.
WOW, I been in a pucker factor in an 18 wheeler years ago
You couldn't put a tooth pick up my arc
Flying through
Hats off great reaction
U have to be ready for anything at a moments notice almost ahead of it
Wait aminute. So did the U.S. faa send the controllers from dca, bna, jfk, etc to israel?
Great training, great pilot, everything on the aircraft working. This is the result you can expect.
Do you think this scenario will get loaded in the simulator?
Good discription, the general audience might need a better explanation on why the lack of visibility when you have another F-16 landing at you head-on.
Definitely ‘pucker factor’ material! Thanks for your analysis! 😀👍🏻
deanduch below said that they deployed the tailhook and stopped with the cable. that was kind of interesting and suggests they always have the arresting wire set up during operations.
Mover, was he far enough along to where NWS had been disengaged and how would that effected his swerve? Also, was he crossing behind the other viper long enough where jet wash would be a factor, especially with he other pilot feeling the GTFO vibes from the dude on takeoff?
Great video and great reflexes from the pilots here. Glad that nobody was harmed and live to fly again.
Looks like a standard DCS hoggit server to me.
My guess at a Translation: Who hired the DCS fanboy to run air traffic control?! We can't respawn in this game dude! I don't even have the ability to hit Win+Home to autostart after I crash a jet in real life. Come on guys! Be Safe!
Hi CW, Thanks for the video . .
Glad u liked my picture :)
I think the initial "what's going on/what is that?" (ma zeh? ma zeh? ma zeh?) was from the controller since the voice affirming the command to abort takeoff sounds different while the command to abort sounds similar the the exclamation.
So I think the controller noticed that both planes were about to collide and the "ma zeh" was more of the "what the hell is going on here" kind than a "what is that" kind. Maybe someone else approved take off? Maybe there was miscommunication surrounding the approval? But controller here sounds surprised and a little pissed when asking what is going on.
That's frightening. Objects on video are closer than they appear.
I only fly Cessna and will never fly something that has a HUD IRL. However, in DCS I've noticed often that the HUD's horizon line gets in the way of viewing traffic down the runway (esp if the HMD is active in the A10). Looks like the HUD had that symbology on. Have you ever needed to look around it to see down the runway?
FYI - Ramat David was built as an RAF airbase almost 90 years ago...imho - the British way of designing runways and base is inherently flawed - whatever was relevant then is more risk prone today
at 8:21 you can just make out the other jet dead center of the runway on the right screen. so he must have been backtracking the controllers should have seen that. the control tower is only about a 1000' or (300m depending on where your from) from runway 11/29
Right screen is a video feed from the pilot's DASH helmet. Left is HUD.
I've seen that playing DCS but holy hell is that scary to see happen IRL.
It's either an F-16I or F-16D. Either way a two seater.
The A, B and C models are no longer in service.
The difficult part of this is that at that fast, you can't just jam the rudder to veer around something easily like it seems to shows here - it was real skillful what he did. You are basically a fragile tricycle going 185 mph so tipping with that small tricycle gear is a real concern trying to maneuver at those speeds. Especially then getting back onto centerline and not go off roading, that's a real critical point to tip.
how’s it possible for a fighter jet at 160 to do a brusk left movement and not to tilt? It’s not a Ferrari with its center weight 10cm above ground… /me scratching my head
post-roswell tech xD
Would that be mostly rudder input to swerve like that?
All rudder.
I see the DED info repeated in the HUD often in cockpit videos. Is the reasoning that it's just easier at a glance, or another reason to have the redundancy?
For the tapes. Doesn’t film the DED unless you put it in the HUD.
This comment is totally unrelated but I figured the only way you might really see it. Will the standby ADI in the hornet tumble and lock after an inverted or high G maneuver? I ask this because it does in DCS and when asked about it on the forum was told it 'works as intended.' by mods. It doesn't make sense that a backup instrument in a combat aircraft would be rendered inoperable because the aircraft did what it was supposed to do. Scenario: You jink to avoid a SAM and take a hit, avionics are out. you still have your standby adi, but the adi is locked upside down because of the maneuver you did to evade the sam. If true.. that's pretty shitty... and this has been bugging me for years but figured I'd just ask.
Where do you find does videos
And can i have access to them?
He is exclaiming "what is this what is this what is this" a common exclamation of surprised in Israel
Is that what they say after bombing a civilian hospital? It must be their version of "it's coming right for us!"
@@ninjalectualx they(gazans) bombed their own hospital. it's well documented in videos lol
enough with the lies!
@@ninjalectualx you mean when the jihad hit the hospital. it's well documented in videos lol
@@ninjalectualx So far there were only infantry raids on hospitals with thousands of militants killed or arrested in there. No air strikes. So far. ☝
I submit to you that this was, in fact, great driving, not great flying. lol, jk. Hell of a reaction! I was at that RF preflighting our jet when that F-16 incident happened, it was NOT good. Thanks for the video and reminder how fast it can go south. Its a serious game we play out there, some people don't get it.
I don't understand. Does the pilot NOT look down the runway before he starts a takeoff roll?
Who leaked the video and info?!
Surprised this got released
Is the runway long enough that you can’t see the other aircraft on the runway before you roll? The Cessna sized aircraft I fly are easy to see?
Ops tempo comes to mind.
We get 4k crystal clear images from Mars, but fighter jets can record only in a quality of the first, 90’s like door cameras.
Awesome :D
I never thought it could turn like that at 160kts with that skinny gear 😂
I wouldn't want to be whoever is found wrong on that one. I imagine the pilot taking off would want to talk to them after changing his shorts.
This reminds me of a scene in "A Night on Earth" where Roberto Benigni driving a cab at night while wearing dark sunglasses, casually crosses in between moving cars while going way too fast for any control and then goes: "Booh?"
This ain't skill. This ain't even hairy. This is just "Thank you God"
An aircraft was cleared for takeoff before I cleared the runway today. I was surprised. I was on landing rollout tho. Usually they don’t do that at military fields in the U.S.
Even in the sim its not easy to get the Viper to a halt before the runway ends, especially when its loaded. I need to learn this dual leg air-braking. Kind of weird to design the jet that way. I wonder if they changed something for the heavier israeli Sufa's. Seeing that I gotta learn a safe abortion procedure for those high speeds, too... I think that incident is about half a second before I usually pull the stick back for take off
I would imagine all Israeli fighter pilots are getting a lot of air time atm. Which of course means the tower controllers are working hard too. At what point do you think too many missions and intercepts becomes an issue? Or is there such a thing as a fighter pilot wanting to fly less?
Is refusal speed another way of saying V1 ?
they're in the middle of a battle so i guess things do get hectic
Some IAF ATC is going to be scrubbing toilets for a month over this.
YNet news article said removed from ATC duties and sentenced to detention for eight days.
How did you get your callsign?
Excuse me, sir, your ass is on fire.
Naw, it's my tires, guys!
What happened to "see and avoid"?
oh my looks like a session on the Growling Sidewinder server
What is "Hooked the rails"?
HOLY SMOKES! Got to clean your pants after that close call.
One more advantage to the F-16 vs the much bigger F-15...
This was most likely a Block 40 D model.
That is not the controller error some gamer viewers were thinking they will see here.
the arresting hook was used on this incident
Aren't Yisraeli F-16s called A-2s?
I believe the F-16I is similar to the Block 52
yikes! figure uot the swiss cheese ASAP. the holes in the cheese are big with this one.
And just another fyi - IAF Fighters always take off with afterburner
Gotta be a major ATC failure, right?
Hey nice shirt Mover!
UFC switch - DED to HUD repeater (bingo)
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Hey Mover, did you see that video of a Su-57 at a Chinese Airshow? The one which shows a fine sample of Russian quality workmanship? 😂
Just as an aside, how does the Mitsubishi F2 stack up to its American cousin?
Look up her thrust to weight ratio, think of her more as a dedicated anti-ship strike platform.
@FirstDagger it is a bit of a quirky ship. It has some definite positives and negatives. More attack Focus than air to air. Kind of Nerfed on abilities, like carrying the AIM-120.
This wouldn’t happen with SU’s, they are too large to not notice.