From a user perspective I have three main issues with C1: 1- they encourage you to make early purchases without actually telling you what new features will be added to the product. 2- eventually when they do reveal the features, it’s old features that competitors have had for years and they justify this as worthy of a new version instead of a minor dot update. 3- the new features (as behind as they are) are yet still not ready and full of flaws.
completely agree. they push hard to get you to upgrade pre-release. So far this upgrade seems buggy and unfinished. When you're pushing HDR and panoramic and they are buggy, tells me this version is not yet ready. If it wasn't for using a Fuji I would have stayed with Lightroom.
absolutely true. still, the features that do work are still (imo) work way more intuitive and better than in Lightroom. I stay on a 1-2 Year old version of C1 and am quite happy most of the time. Still, its not a nice way to market a professional tool
There is no justification for me to pay their very high upgrade price for features I can do with other apps mutch better. CaptureOne is seriously late for these features and they seem poorly implemented.
How refreshing to see an honest appraisal of Cap One 22. I luv using Cap One, but 22 is a disappointment. I am so thankful I waited to see the performance of panorama stitching before I upgraded. This really is an ill informed and amateurish implementation of panorama stitching. Were actual panoramic photographers involved in the development of this new feature? Where are the tools required to edit the panorama prior to rendering? Not only do leaves, water and clouds move between frames, but so do people and so do dogs, as illustrated at time 14:23. I don’t know any photographer, professional or amateur who would believe this is acceptable. I would luv Cap One to have a meaningful and workable panorama function, but sadly, until it does I will continue to create my panos in Affinity. Affinity allows me to to brush in/out objects from overlapping frames. This level of control is not optional - for me.
Yes, I also use Affinity for panorama stitching, among many other great things in Affinity. And it works great. But I must say that rarely does it perform well without me having to go in with the brush and correct its stitching flaws though. So yes, I’m glad to have that editing tool prior to rendering the pano! So far my panorama stitching in Capture One have worked even better, right out of the bat. I really like the fact that now I have the opportunity to work on a RAW panorama still in C1! These are early days yet so I suspect I will run into stitching problems, sooner or later though? But for now, it looks promising.
@@freetibet1000 I’m glad you’re having good experiences. I am sure Cap One will improve and provide stitching tools - in time. I will wait until this occurs and it’s pano performance matches it’s otherwise premium quality. I can’t wait to stitch, render and edit, all in Cap One.
@@ianmurray1825 To me it’s one more tool in the toolbox to use. If it doesn’t work, I’ll try something else. It’s simple! But I share your sentiment that I also like to do as much as possible in C1 without having to resort to other solutions, as a backup. Working directly on the RAW files is always the best, isn’t it?
Thanks for the honest review. Unfortunately, it is standard to bring something out quickly and improve it afterwards. The customers are the beta testers. C1 is a very good RAW developer, only the pricing policy is excessive in my opinion.
I'd like to say Thank You so much for this real, objective review for an important piece of software for any photographer. As it's well known, some other "genius" photographers and ambassadors prefer not to mention the obvious software disadvantages, mistakes or lossless functions. Guess, it wood be better for C1 authors to nail the program to make it faster, stable and more colour accurate instead of racing with Lightroom. Please keep going with Your reviews with the well-regulated grown-up and classic manner, You have.
You're the best! I've been watching many of your videos and learning constantly from your reviews and informations shared. Just want to thank you for doing this! Wishing you all the best in your journey!
Great review! It looks like I wasted my money - at least until they fix these issues with an update. (I bought it in advance at a discount -- last time I do that.) The panorama issues you were having are not anything to do with moving leaves. In some test panos I've just done you can see the jitteriness along the "seems" of the joins, including through rocks. Granted, I've just tested it with images taken on a 14mm lens, which is a bit of a stress test, but the problem occurs for distant and central objects where wide-angle parallax issues that can afflict such panos really should not be a problem. To be fair, I've just run the same images through Lightroom, and though a lot better, it too struggles in a few places. But I also ran the images through Autopano Giga (sadly defunct) and that stitched them perfectly. Fortunately, these things can in principle be fixed with an update, but as it stands this is a very disappointing release.
Thank you for your hard work! I'm on a subscription plan, but plan to buy the software, and thought now I finally got all that I need in C1. But I think I'll wait another year or so to see these new features perfected.
Hey Todd! Great video. I have the same issues with C1 22 - and I am an architectural photographer... Sad to say, this update was not ready for primetime. I make mention of it in my own video that will be available on my channel soon. Well done and well said.
I use capture one for my files but man adobe lightroom with this auto masking and invert techniques it's just absolutely amazing it saves so much time. Capture one really needs to make those new features work better.
Great video. Your style and delivery are a breath of fresh air: actually getting to the point??? unheard of! No 5 minute b-roll sequence of you making a coffee??? Absurd! As far as v.22 goes, I will definitely not be upgrading. The HDR and Pano features are useless given the glitches. As a location headshot (and Sony) shooter, having to rely on a local network makes the wireless tether a deal-breaker. These issues make this release feel like it was rushed to market - not something I'd expect from Capture One. Disappointing overall. Keep up the great work!
I'm using CO 22, and I did see a few of the glitches with moving leaves. Oddly, moving water was fine. It was somewhat related to lens focal length (35 mm seemed to be least glitches). It was also important to set the lens corner correction to 100% before stitching. I think you are right in the good enough versus perfect (I'm also from software/hardware world). One really needs feedback and different images with different cameras/lenses to fine tune it. That said, If I already have external apps to do pano and hdr, there's no reason not to do v22. The round trip stitch to PS is still baked in, but does result in a tiff, so RAW is crippled at that point. I do like the multi image auto level, so far that's worked well. And it seems faster on my M1. I think the bottom line is a pixel editor (PS, Affinity, On1, etc) versus a RAW editor. IMHO, once one gets a taste of RAW editing, it's tough to go back to full time pixel. Pixel editors absolutely have their place, it's just for my photos there's so much better results with the RAW edit. I'm sure the gnomes in Denmark are working on it. On another note, I'm not a HDR fan; I would much rather have had focus stacking. For what it's worth.
Thank you for the review, I think I will save the money as those features are not something I plan to use enough to warrant the upgrade. Providing the new mobile feature coming soon supports v21 I will hold off. Thank you 🙏
Yes I agree! When we encounter problems like these we should try the same files in other softwares to better determine if the problems lies in the files or the software. For instance, I got the same problems with jagged artifacts in the HDR merge around some of the very brightest highlights, like Todd did. I then tried the same files in NIK HDR plug-in and had no such issues there. Instead I discovered issues with gosting around tree branches in the NIK plug-in that C1 was able to completely eliminate automatically. I haven’t tried the files in Aurora yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a third issue shows up there, ha ha! Conclusion; no software is perfect, but my personal preference is to have as many possible choices to influence a result, as possible. Right now we are not being given any handles to control the outcome in C1. Which produces a feeling of “hit or miss” really. The upside is that we get a RAW file to work with if the pano stitch or the hdr merge is successful.
I love Capture One but I haven´t been able to motivate an upgrade from version 20 to 21. I will not upgrade this time either. There´s no problem with speed for me as it is, and I have a camerasystem from 2016 that is well supported in version 20. No need to upgrade. But I follow Capture One with great interest. Some day they will release something that will be a must have for me. I like your honest take on this version. Great job!
Thanks man! I'm still on C1 20, The HDR would be the only option for me to upgrade, but since its not implemented correctly I will wait for the fix and get a it with a discount later on
Woa, perfect video to show exactly what I was facing also ! Thanks Todd !! I'm totally off here as hdr and panoramas are a major part of my work, and I'm a sony user, hahahaha But the software is really cool, hope they get it going and update these tools :)
You did a fine, and fair review! I have to say that C1's "HDR" is laughably poor. Photomatix Pro is is the best $99 I've ever spent, in terms of photo software, and it has a huge number of presets, all the way from simple fusion, without tone mapping, to extreme HDR looks, which some people seem to like. (I don't!) C1 does some things very well, and other things quite badly, IMHO. Object removal, in particular, is poor. I bought the upgrade to 22, but I'm feeling like I got poor value for money. And the price goes WAY up with every version.
Thank you for your honest review! I was also in the software business before (30 years) and I would never released a new version of a software working like this. I gave it a try and found out that they also changed the way to export and now it is not possible anymore to set a separate main folder per session - at least I couldn’t find a way to. So I keep using an old version and every now and then trying to use Lightroom (that is included in photoshop bundle). It is true, in software is difficult to get to perfection, but releasing something like this is a joke. Thank you again! 🙏🏻
Thanks for a very pragmatic review. good is usually better than perfect. I upgraded as a subscriber so no additional cost. I have yet use HDR and Panorama but subject to the limitations you identify I feel they are good developments which we will seem improve soon.
Thanks Todd I've been with Capture One now for a few years and others comments are right they don't always let you know exactly what you're paying for upgrade wise and push the upgrade price and I've gone ahead regardless to keep my costs down, but for this release I'm going to hold off as I thought at least they would've added blending of some sort. Quite a few comments on them catching up and I have to agree, I've turned to using MSICE for stitching and GIMP for blending both freeware.
thank you Todd. Your deep review is what I was waifing for!. I saw the inicials videos of the 2 Capture One guys and I had a lot of doubts regarding to the strengh of the new features and your test finally adds light to this question. I have upgraded to CO21 last month so I am entitled to download for free the new version (have not done it yet). I use both Adobe and CO softwares to edit my raw files. I shoot fujifim GFX bodies and I have mixed feelings about the 2 brands: for instance, I prefer the look of CO for editing my Fuji raw data, especially how capture one handles the fuji film simulation presets, which adds a lot to a final image after edition. Another strengh of capture one is the ability to recover shadows and highlights, compared to LRCC. However, I think LRCC and Photoshop are more matured softwares in strong pixel edition, like hdr, ghosting tratement, the use of "content aware fill" (CO22 is far beyond this option), and now, the latest update of LRCC and Photoshop which add a great update of the masking tools (selecting the subject and sky, for example) is making LRCC and Photoshop the current leader of software edition, let alone that they are 50% cheaper than capture one!. The fact that Capture one doubles in cost that Adobe counterparts, makes me stay very annoyed, since everybody expects more from Capture One according to what the charges!. One example is that I am asking Capture One team (I submitted a request 2 times in their website) is to add a tool that allows the user to listen to the "voice memo" that it is recorded by the camera and it is attached to the raw data. I use this tool in Lightroom since 2008!!!, and it is very important for me, because I use the 4 Nikon tilt&shift lenses and I record with the voice memo how many degrees of shift and/or tilt I applied to the file, then, I check this info on Lightroom library while I look at the pictures and compare one to each other. Capture One has failed to add this feature that Lightroom offers from (almost) the very beginning of their software. Too dissapointing of Capture One. I hope they offer soon an update to their HDR and panoramas, correcting the ghosting issue as you have pointed out very well. Thanks for your video!.
Thanks Pedro for your feedback. I feel the same regarding highlights and demosaicing in Capture One. It does a great job at that. Hoping they can sort out the HDR / Pano quirks and improve the tools.
If only more reviews were so fair and thorough! However, it seems to me that Adobe continues to have a real advantage with software maturity over all of the competitors who are playing catch-up. I expect companies like Skylum to rush new features, not Capture One.
Let’s hope these are teething problems with HDR and Pano stitching. I got the exact same jagged edges in sky and water with my HDR merge too. When they first launched the Dehaze tool it had some major flaws too but over time it has become a very useful and reliable tool. I hope we will see that happening to these two tools as well? To be honest, one HDR merge I did actually managed to correct for moving branches in a tree! I tried the same files in other HDR softwares and they actually failed with these same branches. So, the results are a mixed bag right now.
thank you for the detail review, very helpful ! Disappointed with the HDR and Panorama performance. These features are well developed by other companies, Phaseone is doing a a bad job.
Interesting review, I feel that the price of the upgrade is not really reflecting the buggieness of the program. I am still o version 20 one of reasons is the broken Keystone tool. Try it out with the horizontal and vertical combined, it will never produce anything usefull. I hoped that it finally would be fixed but from my testing that is not the case! Shame!
I watched both this video and the one posted by John Magnoski noted below. I've tested a couple of series each for both the HDR and Pano actions recently shot with my Canon 5D4, and I'm not seeing any artifacts or problems you and John have described. I wonder if it has anything to do with the differences in the sensor format and image resolution? They are: Canon R5 .CR3 @ 45MP, Fuji GFX100S .RAF @ 102MP versus my Canon 5D4 .CR2 @ 30MP.
Thanks for the great video i might switch to capture one. I was wondering tho if you buy lifetime without updates how much do the updates cost? Is it full price of the software?
I actually reverted back to C1 21. With 22 I got some "plugin initialization error" and it wasn't able to properly open my catalog. The new version seems rushed to be released too early at least in my experience. New features and performance optimizations are nice, but I won't sacrifice stability to have them.
Excellent review. There are issues which they have to resolve- And if past history is any predictor of the future they will resolve them. I upgraded and I’m glad that I did but I probably will only use HDR merge and panorama for static images for example architecture or still life
Hi, I think you and many others are being far to generous to Capture One. As a Fuji user I moved to Capture One from version 11 and sure, resolving the raw image was better than Lightroom, but Capture One always seems to be running to catch up with Lightroom. Consequently, when Capture One announce new features as part of an upgrade, I as a regular user, expect them to work for all types of photography, after all, what else am I paying for?
Hello Todd, I simply didn't do the update because I use the new features with other software outside of Capture One, so what I get here was just too little. You just have to see how this will develop further. For my part, I've been waiting forever for improved DAM functions that go in the direction of Lightroom and continue to wait for functions for camera scanning of film negatives, as they are largely included in the CH version. That would be a significant advance for me, where I would update directly.
I’m still waiting for an iPad Pro version of Capture One 🤔 I expect similar color editing capabilities and non-subscription based model because I’m an occasional user. I love the color coming out of desktop version of Capture One!
I updated yesterday and after watching your in-depth review, was concerned about the pano function. However, after processing three landscapes combining 2, 3 and 4 shots, I'm looking at the finished stitching at 200/300% and not seeing the same artifacts/edges/jitter that you posted. At first glance my results appear comparable to Affinity and at least as good- if not better- than an older version of Photoshop(CS6). I'm using the Capture One 22 for Fujifilm, running on Windows 10 and shooting with an X-T3. No idea how Capture One is developing this version, perhaps there are certain specifics based upon platform. However would suggest there may be local issues with your setup, such as apps running in the background, and/or potential CPU/graphics processor issues (depending upon your device). Appreciate your review and breakdown of the new features... take care.
Thanks for the feedback! Glad to hear it’s working better for you. I’ve seen this same problem with other pano sequences as well, and from what I can tell the more images in a sequence the more defects there are. So a multi-row pano like the one in this video is more susceptible to defects than a single row. But they still exist in single rows too. Hoping C1 improves the tool.
Was on the fence, currently using 12…..no way i am upgrading to this. Only moved to c1 due to ligjtrooms subscription policy and c1 being much better for fuji…….but now c1 are screwing the customer with poor releases and high pricing too.
Forget the new features, is the software worth the $200 for the Fuji version for what it does a year ago and is it working well enough for the next 3-4 years to upgrade then when the new features today are actually working properly? And meanwhile Affinity for $25 kicks it's arse... I only use C1 for fuji conversion and then PP in affinity so it costs me nothing and I have HDR, Pano's and Focus stacking in Affinity that work great. If C1 was under $100 I might give it a shot.
The dng file created is the same as you get with LR pano/hdr. It is not a raw file but effectively a tif in a dng container. Unlike a tif the White point is not applied and therefore it can still be adjusted like a raw file.
Primary image for HDR is a useful feature if there are some moving objects, you can select the correct baseline for de-ghosting. But the artifacts are a real problem.
Have you had a better experience with HDR software from another company? Much of what you are mentioning I have encountered using various software: Aurora HDR, ON1 Photo HDR, Lightroom HDR. The results have been disappointing in most of this software especially when it comes to any movement or shifting of objects between images. Alignment and De-Ghost have all been under whelming.
....hm, as people have to pay for this software it is absolut not ok that this new features do not work in the most common situations for this type of tools.
I’m not upgrading for the moment too. I was able to test the beta but I’m not able to go into detail about that. For me stitching and HDR will be done in Affinity Photo, my Fuji X-T30 doesn’t allow tethering so the upgrade is not needed.
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Awesome review, thanks a lot for the honesty and depth. What a stupid aproach from Phase One perspective. At the end they are merging and masking 3 images. Why the heck they didn't make transparent that process, giving to the user the option to consume the merged images with their masks??? In that way you could go and edit the masks to correct any issue like this one. Also I found that HDR merging in my workflow is not always a merging from a simple Luma mask, but it tends to prioritise the protection of certain areas to minimise noise or bring up detail but other areas are less "touched" in the HDR process from the baseline image...just because it is not needed. This kind of workflow would only be possible with an HDR function that exposes the masks and an intermediate result, instead of that dng. I get it Phase One, that means a whole new user flow and interface to deal with mask in a multi-image scenario but...if you really want to improve users workflow, that's the way ;)
ill stick with my 21 license I got for 179 for fujifilm. If 22 came to iOS and became easy to use like Lightroom, l would upgrade then. i want the option to choose to edit on my phone or Mac.
Honest review, saved me plenty $. I use LR for my architectural photography, so can Capture One HDR allow me to select my separate ‘hdr’ images into groups, then select those groups and process multiple hdr images at the same time?
I might add that I have access to Lightroom from my work. I have always enjoyed the more simple workflow of C1 and the results I get from it. However, being an iphone user and having free access to lightroom I have started using it in my phone as a camera app instead of apples camera app. I just LOVE having RAW-photos and editing in my pocket and also having the cloudsync of the files to my workcomputer. No more downloading my pictures from the phone, they are always there in my pc. Now that is a killer feature I would pay to get into my camera! But somehow I don´t see C1 doing it... Also, for around 120 SEK (12$) a month I can get Lightroom AND photoshop AND mobile apps with cloudsync. C1 wants over 300 SEK per month for just RAW development. It is also a reason I do not upgrade.
Well done. I wonder how Lightroom would do with the same HDR or panorama? Not totally fair as you would be comparing a v1 with a more mature feature, but interesting to know.
I mentioned this in a separate comment, but I tested the same HDR and panoramic images in LR and there were no problems. I think C1 needs more time and maturity to function at the same level.
I still have the adobe suite and the new version of Lightroom with the masking is insanely good. Im actually using it instead of Capture One 20 and I cant find a reason why I would buy version 22 considering LR also does great pano merging which is way better than what this is currently doing.
There really is no point in updating yet. The two new tools aren't worth the money they're asking for. But comparing Lightroom and Capture One is a mistake, because Capture One tools and processing algorithms are an order of magnitude more advanced than in Lightroom. Capture One also works better and more accurately with color of raw files.
@@SteveHiemstraAKAspeg Yes, me too. I completely ditched Adobe products precisely because of the subscription model. I switched to Affinity products, DxO, Topaz and C1. I no longer have to constantly pay and I can own a copy of the program. 😊👍
@@gandolfred That is true but at the end of the day you can get great results from both and the masking in Lightroom is way faster to work saving me a lot of time.
@@digwillhachi Work with masks in C1 is implemented better than in any other raw-converters. I have tried almost all programs. How you work faster in Lightroom with masks - I can't even imagine. Can you give an example? Create a mask, switch between them in the tool menu - what could be faster? In addition, C1 has such tools for creating masks that are not available in Lightroom. For example, a mask by brightness. And remember that Adobe products are monthly expenses. And C1 bought it once and forgot it for 2-3 years. You can both buy and upgrade on Black Friday at half price.
If Capture One comes out with copositing so backgrounds can be changed in portraits I'll get rid of Photoshop ASAP. * Good video. * That HDR isn't printable. I'll have to keep Ps. for now.
Really disappointed they didn't consider the needs of flambient shooters when they implemented HDR. Flambient technique is very popular with real estate and architectural shooters.
I have upgraded to Capture One 22. I could not find the Process Recipe ( cogwheel / button ) in the menu. Has it been done away with? In your video on Soft Proofing ( Feb 3, 2021?) there is a mention on choosing the output profile in the Process Recipe. How does one now, in Capture One 22, set the colour profile for viewing while editing; and set the file format/colour profile for exporting? How does one instruct the proofing tool ( the eye glasses icon) on which format/colour space to show/exhibit on the monitor screen to enable one to see what the finally exported photo would look like?
There is NO such thing as one size fits all. I use Aurora for the HDR. Works great. For Panos I use PTGUI. C1 is good for colors. It does the best job on the market.
The more people buy this version (and the more people have a subscription) the higher the chances are that C1 stops at 80% finish state because the remaining 20% to make the new HDR and pano feature actually useful to non-still life photography may just too effortsome for them. Frankly this is a shame, I agree with you that user feedback is valuable (I have been beta testing it) but in the current state the asked upgrade price is a slap in customers face. They should have give a HDR and pano version for free and ask for an upgrade price when the features are finished.
Great question! I like to know that too. The only thing I can remember was mentioned in the introduction video was something like “much more image information to work with” after a HDR merge. I know in Affinity Photo you get a 32 bit to work with after having gone through the HDR process, if that helps?
I use CO for capturing and thats about it. I never thought that CO was up to speed with other apps like Lr. Those bugs are huge issues. Not worth it in my opinion.
Great questions. Yes, I’ve seen the same issues with Auto Align disabled, and with more processed HDR blends and panos than shared here. Concerning LR, I did test the same image sequences to ensure the problem was C1 (which it was). LR handled the same photos without issue.
3:35 -> it's just 16-bit tiff saved in DNG, not at all raw file as camera would do, 4:52 -> difference depending which image is primary. YES! Also difference how you process single files upfront. That only proves what they do in the background -> C1 process and export all files (in to memory), than blend them and save as new file. Results does not show much more highlights preserved than from a single file and not much noise is reduced in shadows. It seems they just blend with some hard masks involved, with no deghosting effort. Noise in shadows is not fully eliminated, and highlights are not fully restored; so "highlight" slider must be pushed quite far to see any meaningful difference; but results are not by my liking, since it comes out worse than just editing single (proper) exposed file. Funny my Pentax K-r (entry level DSLR from 2012) have better handheld HDR feature where it is hard to see any ghosting. But HDR look is similar to this C1 - washed out artificial and it needs some serious and delicate curve tweaking in external (HDR) software, to get nice results. So why bother?? I hoped they would stack images into layers, align them, than allow us to use luma-range and masks; but they just slammed this feature in, to make subscribers happy. Even Adobe put more effort on it, 5 years ago. They should get 1/5 score for effort. I actually see this "depending on primary image" as workaround to this lacking of control, so one can try for better outcome, especially when exposures are not exact. But trying and wasting time is not what I expect from a top premium product. 6:37 -> Artefacts! That is on par with some free smartphone app (from 2015). Not only if there is any slight movement in image, the merged image is useless even when complicated light transitions are in the image. I've seen the lost battles with ghosting, but never such a failure. I see this C1 become specialised: They specifically advertised this new feature for real estate shooters; as I do that, I can see this feature is tuned for the purpose. No moving bits in the frame of what so ever, few simple areas that needs different exposures with no complicated transitions. Like windows and lights. Than previous feature of heal brush was again targeted to skin retouchers, but whole approach of layers complicated and neglected anything else than retouching. Both mentioned changes from recent versions are departure from landscape usage. Can they afford to be niche software at that price? Sure. They RAISED price by 56% since previous years. 12:05 -> Cropping. What a bummer! Yes, they manage to somehow glue images together, they even give few options for projection, but no attention to edges of what-so-ever. Again even Adobe added more feature rich option 5 years ago. Not to mention there are again FREE options on the market that are more refined and with more options, but also have proper edge solution. Not only autocrop, but also content aware fill of black areas. 13:10 -> The quality of stitches are again on level of free smartphone apps. No further comments needed, from such an expensive software. And considering you did panorama frames properly ... When I need to expand my view on event or do panorama portrait, frames are far from ideal; parallax, me not being still, people moves, camera roll or pivot... useless feature. It drives me MAD! I'm disappointed even more so, because this software is more expensive than all the competition combined! Yet they added features less capable and refined than free options on the market. Wireless tethering: I do not use it, not be able to for Pentax. They avoid Pentax ... someone will say "since when binoculars shoot images", but yeah, they actually produce a digital camera every decade or so. So niche camera manufacturer, expected to be neglected. But WHY on earth than they added Pentax 645Z camera in 2021 (in version 21.1)? A camera from 2014!! We know why they did not add the camera sooner, since it used exactly same sensor than their own IQ250, that was 3x more expensive and 645Z was rewarded as best medium format camera in 2015 by TIPA. So why they added it now? Maybe because for the last few version they worked only on Fuji and since Fuji also build MF camera around that same sensor (the 50 MP), they finally lost their fear of competition from a 50 MP Pentax and they added it. As DxO-mark added it to the list of ranks years after release, only after Hasselbladt finally tweaked their X1D-50c to a point above 645Z. It is safe to say, that they worked hard on wireless tethering and maybe performance improvements (I could not test it, since I can't install on my 300k images computer). But than they slammed two mediocre features inside to raise attention from others and than do a rushed-pre-upgrade sale, to make people grab for an upgrade, before they would see what they are getting. It really seems that was the intention, since this time BETA was not available until the pre-upgrade period was over. Next day, they gave beta for version 22. This is really dodgy move from Phase One, this time. I was so mad I started to look elsewhere. WHEN they would do something about DAM part of software?! 19:25 -> I asked the team why they raised prices so much? The reply "because we constantly develop software". LOL, since they are doing that since version one. They have issues to be fixed. Like I can't understand why they do not add shortcuts to crop modes as it is to every other feature or tool. Asked so many times. 20:00 -> those features are not "rough around the edges", but useless for most users. A smart phone app from sole programmer would be like this, hoping for few coins of income. Any serious software developer thinks twice before releasing half baked stuff; even more so in this competitive world. They act like gods, exactly how Adobe did a decade ago. Yeah we are able to test it. For hefty sum of money! If that would be FREE update to test it and report back, I would be more than glad to do it, like I did always; it would made added value and reason of using their software. And when perfected, it would come into next version, for upgrade price. But this time the new features were presented as "reason to upgrade". I am prepared to pay for something I can have benefit straight out of the box; when someone else did the research and tuning for me. When I need to evaluate, seek solutions and workaround, that is not professional tool anymore, and I'm not paying it. (I have) same issue with Topaz tools: they are fine, I see future there, but far from finished product, and not worth my money. I like helping developers with feedback. But I do not like to pay for the privilege to do it. Finally: PhaseOne screwed with this 6 months update timeline. Also I think 18 months was the best possible between version period, to prepare, develop, debug, beta test and release. It's NOT worth buying upgrade. I'll still use my previous tools. What hard it is to export TIFF, use external tool, import back? THANK YOU FOR YOU TIME spent for this review. I liked watching it.
@@dominey I do it properly when I do it. Hard to evaluate true meaning of thoughts in 160 characters. "Saving with words" is what makes most problems in modern world. Spoken word is still better, while video is best (beside personal conversation). That is why I at least take time to write it long enough to hope someone can really complete his understanding of my thoughts. Considering my mama tongue is not English;) Not a problem, It was my pleasure.
hmm. I think that bug with selecting different images in HDR and getting different results can be a new feature by itself. I am curious if you create 3 different versions of HDR, can you then create one more HDR from these 3 HDRs? And what results will you get?
My C1 went from $9.99 to $24.00 a month. Seems small but when added to my overall monthly expense for creative tools it was enough to warrant moving back to LR. Sorry C1 but I think you guys are messing up getting rid of hobbyists.
I moved over to c1 for the perpetual license. Does anyone know if the perpetual license will continue to get updates throughout the course of the year of its release?
They have been phoning it in the last two versions. Even 21 wasn't worth it and this one it seems even less so. And they still won't add support for some very popular Tampon lenses that Lightroom does from day one of release.
This was based on Beta 3, which was the final beta before the public release. From what I gather speaking to Capture One, they made a few tweaks in-between Beta 3 and final, but the final is basically the same for all intents and purposes.
No, definetely, not worth it !!. It keeps being the best but the new features are so basic. Honestly, I did not need them. There are specific apps that do the job way better. C1 is too expensive and I am seriously thinking of cancelling my subscription until further improvements in the future. I don't like LR in comparison but the price is much more reasonable. Unfortunately, the tirany of the company does not let me unsubscribe. It is a monthly one and I don't understand why not but I am not allowed until the end of it. Another negative point
again a beta product hitting the market to soon, 2 new features completely unusable if you are serious about photography. not convinced the QA team didn't catch this as it is basic stuff. DXO only for studio work
I have a perpetual license for 21 and no way am I going to be supporting these greedy pricks with my money for a nearly AUD 400 upgrade to 22. Rip off merchants
16 images in such a small panorama do not work in any program. three different exposures of several minutes exposure per image is no easy task for any program.
Oh crap, they shouldn't have introduced these features. Now it has exposed the core deficiency of C One Pro. I knew about this for 15yrs. But just didn't know how to express it. This is the reason why all Capture One Processed images have that strange look we all came to got used to over time. Knowing how software actually works, I can say 100% they will not be able to fix this in the next 10years or ever. Hell, this is the beginning of the end for Capture one. Sell, sell, sell!
Todd, about your 'final thoughts' bro... Stop giving excuses for corporates. They might be paying you pennies to try and review these software, but it is only pennies for you to be such a sell out. If I were to shoot simple Architecture and Studio work, I wouldn't need another software to do my merging. I can easily accomplish that in layers. "good is better than perfect" that is such a laughable thing to say. Have you used other stitching products? They do such a great job because of their secret sauce. I ain't giving out my secrets here for free. But, believe me when I say Capture one will never be able to compete in this arena. As a true 15yr fan of Capture One, sorry to say RIP C One Pro.
The saying is “Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good”. If you never release until it’s perfect, your customers are frustrated at lack of movement. If you release something “good enough” for a reasonable set of customers, you at least have released something and can chip away over the next few weeks/months and then release lots of bug fixesuntil you satisfied enough customers to buy. I’m not saying they are right to do this. It’s just how software tends to get released. I guess it works as most software companies do it … some more than others. I am personally disappointed in these artefacts. I would not class this as ‘good enough’.
@@stub911 You have good point there! I remember the disappointment when C1 first released the Dehaze tool with some serious flaws. A few months later it (silently) got updated and became a very useful and intelligent tool, I think.
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From a user perspective I have three main issues with C1:
1- they encourage you to make early purchases without actually telling you what new features will be added to the product.
2- eventually when they do reveal the features, it’s old features that competitors have had for years and they justify this as worthy of a new version instead of a minor dot update.
3- the new features (as behind as they are) are yet still not ready and full of flaws.
completely agree. they push hard to get you to upgrade pre-release. So far this upgrade seems buggy and unfinished. When you're pushing HDR and panoramic and they are buggy, tells me this version is not yet ready. If it wasn't for using a Fuji I would have stayed with Lightroom.
well said, I am very disappointed.
absolutely true. still, the features that do work are still (imo) work way more intuitive and better than in Lightroom. I stay on a 1-2 Year old version of C1 and am quite happy most of the time. Still, its not a nice way to market a professional tool
You can go the subscription plan and then you get the free updates.
There is no justification for me to pay their very high upgrade price for features I can do with other apps mutch better. CaptureOne is seriously late for these features and they seem poorly implemented.
How refreshing to see an honest appraisal of Cap One 22. I luv using Cap One, but 22 is a disappointment.
I am so thankful I waited to see the performance of panorama stitching before I upgraded. This really is an ill informed and amateurish implementation of panorama stitching. Were actual panoramic photographers involved in the development of this new feature? Where are the tools required to edit the panorama prior to rendering? Not only do leaves, water and clouds move between frames, but so do people and so do dogs, as illustrated at time 14:23. I don’t know any photographer, professional or amateur who would believe this is acceptable.
I would luv Cap One to have a meaningful and workable panorama function, but sadly, until it does I will continue to create my panos in Affinity. Affinity allows me to to brush in/out objects from overlapping frames. This level of control is not optional - for me.
Yes, I also use Affinity for panorama stitching, among many other great things in Affinity. And it works great. But I must say that rarely does it perform well without me having to go in with the brush and correct its stitching flaws though. So yes, I’m glad to have that editing tool prior to rendering the pano!
So far my panorama stitching in Capture One have worked even better, right out of the bat. I really like the fact that now I have the opportunity to work on a RAW panorama still in C1! These are early days yet so I suspect I will run into stitching problems, sooner or later though? But for now, it looks promising.
@@freetibet1000 I’m glad you’re having good experiences. I am sure Cap One will improve and provide stitching tools - in time. I will wait until this occurs and it’s pano performance matches it’s otherwise premium quality. I can’t wait to stitch, render and edit, all in Cap One.
@@ianmurray1825 To me it’s one more tool in the toolbox to use. If it doesn’t work, I’ll try something else. It’s simple! But I share your sentiment that I also like to do as much as possible in C1 without having to resort to other solutions, as a backup. Working directly on the RAW files is always the best, isn’t it?
Thanks for the honest review. Unfortunately, it is standard to bring something out quickly and improve it afterwards. The customers are the beta testers. C1 is a very good RAW developer, only the pricing policy is excessive in my opinion.
It’s a joke how expensive C1 is with extremely limited support on advanced features. I have no idea why Fujifilm even gave keys for this software!
in market speak, they call it Minimum Viable Product and it seems to be the sad standard these days.
I'd like to say Thank You so much for this real, objective review for an important piece of software for any photographer. As it's well known, some other "genius" photographers and ambassadors prefer not to mention the obvious software disadvantages, mistakes or lossless functions.
Guess, it wood be better for C1 authors to nail the program to make it faster, stable and more colour accurate instead of racing with Lightroom.
Please keep going with Your reviews with the well-regulated grown-up and classic manner, You have.
You're the best! I've been watching many of your videos and learning constantly from your reviews and informations shared. Just want to thank you for doing this! Wishing you all the best in your journey!
Wow! Thank you so much! You saved my money, because I wanted to purchased C1. Now I am looking for something else.
Great review!
It looks like I wasted my money - at least until they fix these issues with an update. (I bought it in advance at a discount -- last time I do that.)
The panorama issues you were having are not anything to do with moving leaves. In some test panos I've just done you can see the jitteriness along the "seems" of the joins, including through rocks. Granted, I've just tested it with images taken on a 14mm lens, which is a bit of a stress test, but the problem occurs for distant and central objects where wide-angle parallax issues that can afflict such panos really should not be a problem. To be fair, I've just run the same images through Lightroom, and though a lot better, it too struggles in a few places. But I also ran the images through Autopano Giga (sadly defunct) and that stitched them perfectly.
Fortunately, these things can in principle be fixed with an update, but as it stands this is a very disappointing release.
Try to uncheck auto-align, maybe less artefacts
@@kareldebacker245 Auto-align is for HDR. The problems I talk about in my comment concerns panoramas. There is no auto-align for that.
Thank you for your hard work! I'm on a subscription plan, but plan to buy the software, and thought now I finally got all that I need in C1. But I think I'll wait another year or so to see these new features perfected.
Hey Todd! Great video. I have the same issues with C1 22 - and I am an architectural photographer... Sad to say, this update was not ready for primetime.
I make mention of it in my own video that will be available on my channel soon. Well done and well said.
Thanks John 🙏
I use capture one for my files but man adobe lightroom with this auto masking and invert techniques it's just absolutely amazing it saves so much time. Capture one really needs to make those new features work better.
Great video. Your style and delivery are a breath of fresh air: actually getting to the point??? unheard of! No 5 minute b-roll sequence of you making a coffee??? Absurd! As far as v.22 goes, I will definitely not be upgrading. The HDR and Pano features are useless given the glitches. As a location headshot (and Sony) shooter, having to rely on a local network makes the wireless tether a deal-breaker. These issues make this release feel like it was rushed to market - not something I'd expect from Capture One. Disappointing overall. Keep up the great work!
I'm using CO 22, and I did see a few of the glitches with moving leaves. Oddly, moving water was fine. It was somewhat related to lens focal length (35 mm seemed to be least glitches). It was also important to set the lens corner correction to 100% before stitching. I think you are right in the good enough versus perfect (I'm also from software/hardware world). One really needs feedback and different images with different cameras/lenses to fine tune it. That said, If I already have external apps to do pano and hdr, there's no reason not to do v22. The round trip stitch to PS is still baked in, but does result in a tiff, so RAW is crippled at that point. I do like the multi image auto level, so far that's worked well. And it seems faster on my M1. I think the bottom line is a pixel editor (PS, Affinity, On1, etc) versus a RAW editor. IMHO, once one gets a taste of RAW editing, it's tough to go back to full time pixel. Pixel editors absolutely have their place, it's just for my photos there's so much better results with the RAW edit. I'm sure the gnomes in Denmark are working on it. On another note, I'm not a HDR fan; I would much rather have had focus stacking. For what it's worth.
Thank you for the review, I think I will save the money as those features are not something I plan to use enough to warrant the upgrade. Providing the new mobile feature coming soon supports v21 I will hold off. Thank you 🙏
Thanks, it would be interesting to see how LR handles the ghosting in the trees.
Yes I agree! When we encounter problems like these we should try the same files in other softwares to better determine if the problems lies in the files or the software.
For instance, I got the same problems with jagged artifacts in the HDR merge around some of the very brightest highlights, like Todd did. I then tried the same files in NIK HDR plug-in and had no such issues there. Instead I discovered issues with gosting around tree branches in the NIK plug-in that C1 was able to completely eliminate automatically. I haven’t tried the files in Aurora yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a third issue shows up there, ha ha!
Conclusion; no software is perfect, but my personal preference is to have as many possible choices to influence a result, as possible. Right now we are not being given any handles to control the outcome in C1. Which produces a feeling of “hit or miss” really. The upside is that we get a RAW file to work with if the pano stitch or the hdr merge is successful.
I love Capture One but I haven´t been able to motivate an upgrade from version 20 to 21. I will not upgrade this time either. There´s no problem with speed for me as it is, and I have a camerasystem from 2016 that is well supported in version 20. No need to upgrade. But I follow Capture One with great interest. Some day they will release something that will be a must have for me. I like your honest take on this version. Great job!
Final thoughts" Glad I passed on the update. Thanks for the video!!!!
Thanks man! I'm still on C1 20, The HDR would be the only option for me to upgrade, but since its not implemented correctly I will wait for the fix and get a it with a discount later on
Using those images and comparing LR and dedicated software like Photomatix and Ptgui would be very useful.
Great, honest review. Much appreciated. Thanks!
Woa, perfect video to show exactly what I was facing also ! Thanks Todd !! I'm totally off here as hdr and panoramas are a major part of my work, and I'm a sony user, hahahaha But the software is really cool, hope they get it going and update these tools :)
You did a fine, and fair review! I have to say that C1's "HDR" is laughably poor. Photomatix Pro is is the best $99 I've ever spent, in terms of photo software,
and it has a huge number of presets, all the way from simple fusion, without tone mapping, to extreme HDR looks, which some people seem to like. (I don't!)
C1 does some things very well, and other things quite badly, IMHO. Object removal, in particular, is poor.
I bought the upgrade to 22, but I'm feeling like I got poor value for money. And the price goes WAY up with every version.
Well stated and IMO completely correct. Thanks.
Thank you for your honest review! I was also in the software business before (30 years) and I would never released a new version of a software working like this. I gave it a try and found out that they also changed the way to export and now it is not possible anymore to set a separate main folder per session - at least I couldn’t find a way to.
So I keep using an old version and every now and then trying to use Lightroom (that is included in photoshop bundle).
It is true, in software is difficult to get to perfection, but releasing something like this is a joke.
Thank you again! 🙏🏻
Thanks for a very pragmatic review. good is usually better than perfect. I upgraded as a subscriber so no additional cost. I have yet use HDR and Panorama but subject to the limitations you identify I feel they are good developments which we will seem improve soon.
Thank you so much for your honesty - subscribed
Thanks Todd I've been with Capture One now for a few years and others comments are right they don't always let you know exactly what you're paying for upgrade wise and push the upgrade price and I've gone ahead regardless to keep my costs down, but for this release I'm going to hold off as I thought at least they would've added blending of some sort. Quite a few comments on them catching up and I have to agree, I've turned to using MSICE for stitching and GIMP for blending both freeware.
thank you Todd. Your deep review is what I was waifing for!. I saw the inicials videos of the 2 Capture One guys and I had a lot of doubts regarding to the strengh of the new features and your test finally adds light to this question. I have upgraded to CO21 last month so I am entitled to download for free the new version (have not done it yet). I use both Adobe and CO softwares to edit my raw files. I shoot fujifim GFX bodies and I have mixed feelings about the 2 brands: for instance, I prefer the look of CO for editing my Fuji raw data, especially how capture one handles the fuji film simulation presets, which adds a lot to a final image after edition. Another strengh of capture one is the ability to recover shadows and highlights, compared to LRCC. However, I think LRCC and Photoshop are more matured softwares in strong pixel edition, like hdr, ghosting tratement, the use of "content aware fill" (CO22 is far beyond this option), and now, the latest update of LRCC and Photoshop which add a great update of the masking tools (selecting the subject and sky, for example) is making LRCC and Photoshop the current leader of software edition, let alone that they are 50% cheaper than capture one!. The fact that Capture one doubles in cost that Adobe counterparts, makes me stay very annoyed, since everybody expects more from Capture One according to what the charges!. One example is that I am asking Capture One team (I submitted a request 2 times in their website) is to add a tool that allows the user to listen to the "voice memo" that it is recorded by the camera and it is attached to the raw data. I use this tool in Lightroom since 2008!!!, and it is very important for me, because I use the 4 Nikon tilt&shift lenses and I record with the voice memo how many degrees of shift and/or tilt I applied to the file, then, I check this info on Lightroom library while I look at the pictures and compare one to each other. Capture One has failed to add this feature that Lightroom offers from (almost) the very beginning of their software. Too dissapointing of Capture One. I hope they offer soon an update to their HDR and panoramas, correcting the ghosting issue as you have pointed out very well. Thanks for your video!.
Thanks Pedro for your feedback. I feel the same regarding highlights and demosaicing in Capture One. It does a great job at that. Hoping they can sort out the HDR / Pano quirks and improve the tools.
If only more reviews were so fair and thorough! However, it seems to me that Adobe continues to have a real advantage with software maturity over all of the competitors who are playing catch-up. I expect companies like Skylum to rush new features, not Capture One.
Agree - The new mask and layer features in Lightroom now make LR stand out above Capture One. Unfortunately never thought I would say this.
@@beeldbarista Wow, exactly my thoughts!
Let’s hope these are teething problems with HDR and Pano stitching. I got the exact same jagged edges in sky and water with my HDR merge too. When they first launched the Dehaze tool it had some major flaws too but over time it has become a very useful and reliable tool. I hope we will see that happening to these two tools as well? To be honest, one HDR merge I did actually managed to correct for moving branches in a tree! I tried the same files in other HDR softwares and they actually failed with these same branches. So, the results are a mixed bag right now.
thank you for the detail review, very helpful ! Disappointed with the HDR and Panorama performance. These features are well developed by other companies, Phaseone is doing a a bad job.
An excellent review, thank you very much. 😊
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You saved me money. I'll wait until next year. I use other editors.
Interesting review, I feel that the price of the upgrade is not really reflecting the buggieness of the program. I am still o version 20 one of reasons is the broken Keystone tool. Try it out with the horizontal and vertical combined, it will never produce anything usefull. I hoped that it finally would be fixed but from my testing that is not the case! Shame!
these sets of pictures you showed are very hard for every hdr/panorama software, not for capture one in particular
I watched both this video and the one posted by John Magnoski noted below. I've tested a couple of series each for both the HDR and Pano actions recently shot with my Canon 5D4, and I'm not seeing any artifacts or problems you and John have described. I wonder if it has anything to do with the differences in the sensor format and image resolution? They are: Canon R5 .CR3 @ 45MP, Fuji GFX100S .RAF @ 102MP versus my Canon 5D4 .CR2 @ 30MP.
Thanks for the great video i might switch to capture one. I was wondering tho if you buy lifetime without updates how much do the updates cost? Is it full price of the software?
I actually reverted back to C1 21. With 22 I got some "plugin initialization error" and it wasn't able to properly open my catalog. The new version seems rushed to be released too early at least in my experience. New features and performance optimizations are nice, but I won't sacrifice stability to have them.
Thank you for saving me the money. Not upgrading this year.
Excellent review. There are issues which they have to resolve- And if past history is any predictor of the future they will resolve them. I upgraded and I’m glad that I did but I probably will only use HDR merge and panorama for static images for example architecture or still life
Thanks!
Hi, I think you and many others are being far to generous to Capture One. As a Fuji user I moved to Capture One from version 11 and sure, resolving the raw image was better than Lightroom, but Capture One always seems to be running to catch up with Lightroom. Consequently, when Capture One announce new features as part of an upgrade, I as a regular user, expect them to work for all types of photography, after all, what else am I paying for?
Hello Todd,
I simply didn't do the update because I use the new features with other software outside of Capture One, so what I get here was just too little.
You just have to see how this will develop further.
For my part, I've been waiting forever for improved DAM functions that go in the direction of Lightroom and continue to wait for functions for camera scanning of film negatives, as they are largely included in the CH version. That would be a significant advance for me, where I would update directly.
I’m still waiting for an iPad Pro version of Capture One 🤔
I expect similar color editing capabilities and non-subscription based model because I’m an occasional user.
I love the color coming out of desktop version of Capture One!
I updated yesterday and after watching your in-depth review, was concerned about the pano function. However, after processing three landscapes combining 2, 3 and 4 shots, I'm looking at the finished stitching at 200/300% and not seeing the same artifacts/edges/jitter that you posted. At first glance my results appear comparable to Affinity and at least as good- if not better- than an older version of Photoshop(CS6). I'm using the Capture One 22 for Fujifilm, running on Windows 10 and shooting with an X-T3.
No idea how Capture One is developing this version, perhaps there are certain specifics based upon platform. However would suggest there may be local issues with your setup, such as apps running in the background, and/or potential CPU/graphics processor issues (depending upon your device). Appreciate your review and breakdown of the new features... take care.
Thanks for the feedback! Glad to hear it’s working better for you. I’ve seen this same problem with other pano sequences as well, and from what I can tell the more images in a sequence the more defects there are. So a multi-row pano like the one in this video is more susceptible to defects than a single row. But they still exist in single rows too. Hoping C1 improves the tool.
Was on the fence, currently using 12…..no way i am upgrading to this. Only moved to c1 due to ligjtrooms subscription policy and c1 being much better for fuji…….but now c1 are screwing the customer with poor releases and high pricing too.
Forget the new features, is the software worth the $200 for the Fuji version for what it does a year ago and is it working well enough for the next 3-4 years to upgrade then when the new features today are actually working properly? And meanwhile Affinity for $25 kicks it's arse... I only use C1 for fuji conversion and then PP in affinity so it costs me nothing and I have HDR, Pano's and Focus stacking in Affinity that work great. If C1 was under $100 I might give it a shot.
The dng file created is the same as you get with LR pano/hdr. It is not a raw file but effectively a tif in a dng container. Unlike a tif the White point is not applied and therefore it can still be adjusted like a raw file.
Great, really great and honest vídeo.
Primary image for HDR is a useful feature if there are some moving objects, you can select the correct baseline for de-ghosting. But the artifacts are a real problem.
Have you had a better experience with HDR software from another company? Much of what you are mentioning I have encountered using various software: Aurora HDR, ON1 Photo HDR, Lightroom HDR. The results have been disappointing in most of this software especially when it comes to any movement or shifting of objects between images. Alignment and De-Ghost have all been under whelming.
....hm, as people have to pay for this software it is absolut not ok that this new features do not work in the most common situations for this type of tools.
I’m not upgrading for the moment too. I was able to test the beta but I’m not able to go into detail about that. For me stitching and HDR will be done in Affinity Photo, my Fuji X-T30 doesn’t allow tethering so the upgrade is not needed.
Awesome review, thanks a lot for the honesty and depth.
What a stupid aproach from Phase One perspective.
At the end they are merging and masking 3 images. Why the heck they didn't make transparent that process, giving to the user the option to consume the merged images with their masks??? In that way you could go and edit the masks to correct any issue like this one.
Also I found that HDR merging in my workflow is not always a merging from a simple Luma mask, but it tends to prioritise the protection of certain areas to minimise noise or bring up detail but other areas are less "touched" in the HDR process from the baseline image...just because it is not needed. This kind of workflow would only be possible with an HDR function that exposes the masks and an intermediate result, instead of that dng.
I get it Phase One, that means a whole new user flow and interface to deal with mask in a multi-image scenario but...if you really want to improve users workflow, that's the way ;)
ill stick with my 21 license I got for 179 for fujifilm. If 22 came to iOS and became easy to use like Lightroom, l would upgrade then. i want the option to choose to edit on my phone or Mac.
Honest review, saved me plenty $. I use LR for my architectural photography, so can Capture One HDR allow me to select my separate ‘hdr’ images into groups, then select those groups and process multiple hdr images at the same time?
8months later do you know if these issues got resolved or were smoothed out? Maybe an update video about this 🤔🤷♂️
Further to my last post, I have been able to resolve the issue, thanks to the support of Capture One team.
I might add that I have access to Lightroom from my work. I have always enjoyed the more simple workflow of C1 and the results I get from it. However, being an iphone user and having free access to lightroom I have started using it in my phone as a camera app instead of apples camera app. I just LOVE having RAW-photos and editing in my pocket and also having the cloudsync of the files to my workcomputer. No more downloading my pictures from the phone, they are always there in my pc.
Now that is a killer feature I would pay to get into my camera! But somehow I don´t see C1 doing it...
Also, for around 120 SEK (12$) a month I can get Lightroom AND photoshop AND mobile apps with cloudsync.
C1 wants over 300 SEK per month for just RAW development. It is also a reason I do not upgrade.
Thanks Stefan for sharing your feedback!
Well done. I wonder how Lightroom would do with the same HDR or panorama? Not totally fair as you would be comparing a v1 with a more mature feature, but interesting to know.
I mentioned this in a separate comment, but I tested the same HDR and panoramic images in LR and there were no problems. I think C1 needs more time and maturity to function at the same level.
I still have the adobe suite and the new version of Lightroom with the masking is insanely good. Im actually using it instead of Capture One 20 and I cant find a reason why I would buy version 22 considering LR also does great pano merging which is way better than what this is currently doing.
There really is no point in updating yet. The two new tools aren't worth the money they're asking for. But comparing Lightroom and Capture One is a mistake, because Capture One tools and processing algorithms are an order of magnitude more advanced than in Lightroom. Capture One also works better and more accurately with color of raw files.
I was hoping to switch to capture one simple for the lack of subscription.
@@SteveHiemstraAKAspeg Yes, me too. I completely ditched Adobe products precisely because of the subscription model. I switched to Affinity products, DxO, Topaz and C1. I no longer have to constantly pay and I can own a copy of the program. 😊👍
@@gandolfred That is true but at the end of the day you can get great results from both and the masking in Lightroom is way faster to work saving me a lot of time.
@@digwillhachi Work with masks in C1 is implemented better than in any other raw-converters. I have tried almost all programs. How you work faster in Lightroom with masks - I can't even imagine. Can you give an example? Create a mask, switch between them in the tool menu - what could be faster? In addition, C1 has such tools for creating masks that are not available in Lightroom. For example, a mask by brightness. And remember that Adobe products are monthly expenses. And C1 bought it once and forgot it for 2-3 years. You can both buy and upgrade on Black Friday at half price.
If Capture One comes out with copositing so backgrounds can be changed in portraits I'll get rid of Photoshop ASAP. * Good video. * That HDR isn't printable. I'll have to keep Ps. for now.
Go with Skylum Neo.
Really disappointed they didn't consider the needs of flambient shooters when they implemented HDR. Flambient technique is very popular with real estate and architectural shooters.
I have upgraded to Capture One 22. I could not find the Process Recipe ( cogwheel / button ) in the menu. Has it been done away with? In your video on Soft Proofing ( Feb 3, 2021?) there is a mention on choosing the output profile in the Process Recipe. How does one now, in Capture One 22, set the colour profile for viewing while editing; and set the file format/colour profile for exporting? How does one instruct the proofing tool ( the eye glasses icon) on which format/colour space to show/exhibit on the monitor screen to enable one to see what the finally exported photo would look like?
There is NO such thing as one size fits all. I use Aurora for the HDR. Works great. For Panos I use PTGUI. C1 is good for colors. It does the best job on the market.
The more people buy this version (and the more people have a subscription) the higher the chances are that C1 stops at 80% finish state because the remaining 20% to make the new HDR and pano feature actually useful to non-still life photography may just too effortsome for them. Frankly this is a shame, I agree with you that user feedback is valuable (I have been beta testing it) but in the current state the asked upgrade price is a slap in customers face. They should have give a HDR and pano version for free and ask for an upgrade price when the features are finished.
Thanks for the video, ti helped me to decide that I wil not buy Capture One 22......
Have the HDR and Pano issues been rectified with any updates this year?
Thanks for the video, very informative. HDR question: do you know if after creating the HDR image, if the dng file is a 16 bit file or a 32 bit file?
Great question! I like to know that too. The only thing I can remember was mentioned in the introduction video was something like “much more image information to work with” after a HDR merge. I know in Affinity Photo you get a 32 bit to work with after having gone through the HDR process, if that helps?
I use CO for capturing and thats about it. I never thought that CO was up to speed with other apps like Lr. Those bugs are huge issues. Not worth it in my opinion.
Well that saved me some money 💰 thanks
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wondering about upgrading from 12 before they go subscription only.......have Capture One fixed this yet? Are they promising to sort it out?
is hdr ever really used in fashion/portrait photography?
also looks like they released an unfinished version if the 2 new features barely work? lol???
Did you also try the same images with align unchecked - could that be the problem? And have you compared Lightroom's performance with those images?
Great questions. Yes, I’ve seen the same issues with Auto Align disabled, and with more processed HDR blends and panos than shared here. Concerning LR, I did test the same image sequences to ensure the problem was C1 (which it was). LR handled the same photos without issue.
3:35 -> it's just 16-bit tiff saved in DNG, not at all raw file as camera would do,
4:52 -> difference depending which image is primary. YES! Also difference how you process single files upfront. That only proves what they do in the background -> C1 process and export all files (in to memory), than blend them and save as new file. Results does not show much more highlights preserved than from a single file and not much noise is reduced in shadows. It seems they just blend with some hard masks involved, with no deghosting effort. Noise in shadows is not fully eliminated, and highlights are not fully restored; so "highlight" slider must be pushed quite far to see any meaningful difference; but results are not by my liking, since it comes out worse than just editing single (proper) exposed file. Funny my Pentax K-r (entry level DSLR from 2012) have better handheld HDR feature where it is hard to see any ghosting. But HDR look is similar to this C1 - washed out artificial and it needs some serious and delicate curve tweaking in external (HDR) software, to get nice results. So why bother?? I hoped they would stack images into layers, align them, than allow us to use luma-range and masks; but they just slammed this feature in, to make subscribers happy. Even Adobe put more effort on it, 5 years ago. They should get 1/5 score for effort.
I actually see this "depending on primary image" as workaround to this lacking of control, so one can try for better outcome, especially when exposures are not exact. But trying and wasting time is not what I expect from a top premium product.
6:37 -> Artefacts! That is on par with some free smartphone app (from 2015). Not only if there is any slight movement in image, the merged image is useless even when complicated light transitions are in the image. I've seen the lost battles with ghosting, but never such a failure. I see this C1 become specialised: They specifically advertised this new feature for real estate shooters; as I do that, I can see this feature is tuned for the purpose. No moving bits in the frame of what so ever, few simple areas that needs different exposures with no complicated transitions. Like windows and lights. Than previous feature of heal brush was again targeted to skin retouchers, but whole approach of layers complicated and neglected anything else than retouching. Both mentioned changes from recent versions are departure from landscape usage. Can they afford to be niche software at that price? Sure. They RAISED price by 56% since previous years.
12:05 -> Cropping. What a bummer! Yes, they manage to somehow glue images together, they even give few options for projection, but no attention to edges of what-so-ever. Again even Adobe added more feature rich option 5 years ago. Not to mention there are again FREE options on the market that are more refined and with more options, but also have proper edge solution. Not only autocrop, but also content aware fill of black areas.
13:10 -> The quality of stitches are again on level of free smartphone apps. No further comments needed, from such an expensive software. And considering you did panorama frames properly ... When I need to expand my view on event or do panorama portrait, frames are far from ideal; parallax, me not being still, people moves, camera roll or pivot... useless feature. It drives me MAD!
I'm disappointed even more so, because this software is more expensive than all the competition combined! Yet they added features less capable and refined than free options on the market.
Wireless tethering: I do not use it, not be able to for Pentax. They avoid Pentax ... someone will say "since when binoculars shoot images", but yeah, they actually produce a digital camera every decade or so. So niche camera manufacturer, expected to be neglected. But WHY on earth than they added Pentax 645Z camera in 2021 (in version 21.1)? A camera from 2014!! We know why they did not add the camera sooner, since it used exactly same sensor than their own IQ250, that was 3x more expensive and 645Z was rewarded as best medium format camera in 2015 by TIPA. So why they added it now? Maybe because for the last few version they worked only on Fuji and since Fuji also build MF camera around that same sensor (the 50 MP), they finally lost their fear of competition from a 50 MP Pentax and they added it. As DxO-mark added it to the list of ranks years after release, only after Hasselbladt finally tweaked their X1D-50c to a point above 645Z.
It is safe to say, that they worked hard on wireless tethering and maybe performance improvements (I could not test it, since I can't install on my 300k images computer). But than they slammed two mediocre features inside to raise attention from others and than do a rushed-pre-upgrade sale, to make people grab for an upgrade, before they would see what they are getting. It really seems that was the intention, since this time BETA was not available until the pre-upgrade period was over. Next day, they gave beta for version 22. This is really dodgy move from Phase One, this time. I was so mad I started to look elsewhere. WHEN they would do something about DAM part of software?!
19:25 -> I asked the team why they raised prices so much? The reply "because we constantly develop software". LOL, since they are doing that since version one. They have issues to be fixed. Like I can't understand why they do not add shortcuts to crop modes as it is to every other feature or tool. Asked so many times.
20:00 -> those features are not "rough around the edges", but useless for most users. A smart phone app from sole programmer would be like this, hoping for few coins of income. Any serious software developer thinks twice before releasing half baked stuff; even more so in this competitive world. They act like gods, exactly how Adobe did a decade ago. Yeah we are able to test it. For hefty sum of money! If that would be FREE update to test it and report back, I would be more than glad to do it, like I did always; it would made added value and reason of using their software. And when perfected, it would come into next version, for upgrade price. But this time the new features were presented as "reason to upgrade". I am prepared to pay for something I can have benefit straight out of the box; when someone else did the research and tuning for me. When I need to evaluate, seek solutions and workaround, that is not professional tool anymore, and I'm not paying it. (I have) same issue with Topaz tools: they are fine, I see future there, but far from finished product, and not worth my money. I like helping developers with feedback. But I do not like to pay for the privilege to do it. Finally: PhaseOne screwed with this 6 months update timeline. Also I think 18 months was the best possible between version period, to prepare, develop, debug, beta test and release.
It's NOT worth buying upgrade. I'll still use my previous tools. What hard it is to export TIFF, use external tool, import back?
THANK YOU FOR YOU TIME spent for this review. I liked watching it.
I think this may be the longest comment on any of my videos! 😜 Very much appreciate you taking the time to comment and share your thoughts.
@@dominey I do it properly when I do it. Hard to evaluate true meaning of thoughts in 160 characters. "Saving with words" is what makes most problems in modern world. Spoken word is still better, while video is best (beside personal conversation). That is why I at least take time to write it long enough to hope someone can really complete his understanding of my thoughts. Considering my mama tongue is not English;) Not a problem, It was my pleasure.
hmm. I think that bug with selecting different images in HDR and getting different results can be a new feature by itself. I am curious if you create 3 different versions of HDR, can you then create one more HDR from these 3 HDRs? And what results will you get?
My C1 went from $9.99 to $24.00 a month. Seems small but when added to my overall monthly expense for creative tools it was enough to warrant moving back to LR. Sorry C1 but I think you guys are messing up getting rid of hobbyists.
I moved over to c1 for the perpetual license. Does anyone know if the perpetual license will continue to get updates throughout the course of the year of its release?
What about phase one p back FireWire tethering
I am wondering whether the upgrade fee will accumulate if I do not pay for one later version.
I downloaded 22 trial and arw files a7iii when opened appear like 1megapixel files Blurry Low-Res. Any idea why? I have Xpress and same files are ok.
Why do you need 16 picture in this small panorama?
They have been phoning it in the last two versions. Even 21 wasn't worth it and this one it seems even less so. And they still won't add support for some very popular Tampon lenses that Lightroom does from day one of release.
As long as the savings of beta testing on the general public can be passed on, I agree. But I don't believe they are.
thx for sharing ! helpful and disappointing though… they should focus on masking performance !
Thanks David for your thoughts!
Was this review based on using the Beta version?
This was based on Beta 3, which was the final beta before the public release. From what I gather speaking to Capture One, they made a few tweaks in-between Beta 3 and final, but the final is basically the same for all intents and purposes.
@@dominey Thank you.
what the flip, I don't even own C1 21 yet..and out comes 22???
half baked software released too soon.. paid users are beta testers now?
We Upgraded just to screw ADOBE .... yup ....
The people in the beach are ghosted
Thanks for saving me £200. Typical capture One to release half baked software and charge full price for it.
No, definetely, not worth it !!. It keeps being the best but the new features are so basic. Honestly, I did not need them. There are specific apps that do the job way better. C1 is too expensive and I am seriously thinking of cancelling my subscription until further improvements in the future. I don't like LR in comparison but the price is much more reasonable. Unfortunately, the tirany of the company does not let me unsubscribe. It is a monthly one and I don't understand why not but I am not allowed until the end of it. Another negative point
Thanks Jose for sharing your thoughts!
New Paid Upgrade... In another while another paid upgrade 23 will come out...
Not for me now!
again a beta product hitting the market to soon, 2 new features completely unusable if you are serious about photography.
not convinced the QA team didn't catch this as it is basic stuff. DXO only for studio work
don’t update CP22 still got lots of work
So the new features are like buying green bananas
Lol - that’s one way of describing it!
I have a perpetual license for 21 and no way am I going to be supporting these greedy pricks with my money for a nearly AUD 400 upgrade to 22. Rip off merchants
16 images in such a small panorama do not work in any program. three different exposures of several minutes exposure per image is no easy task for any program.
Oh crap, they shouldn't have introduced these features. Now it has exposed the core deficiency of C One Pro. I knew about this for 15yrs. But just didn't know how to express it. This is the reason why all Capture One Processed images have that strange look we all came to got used to over time. Knowing how software actually works, I can say 100% they will not be able to fix this in the next 10years or ever. Hell, this is the beginning of the end for Capture one. Sell, sell, sell!
Hmm, care to explain what you mean by "core deficiency" ? Sure, the issues are bad, but how come they can't be fixed?
i didn't like lr and move to c1. i like the atmospheric colors of c1.
Todd, about your 'final thoughts' bro... Stop giving excuses for corporates. They might be paying you pennies to try and review these software, but it is only pennies for you to be such a sell out. If I were to shoot simple Architecture and Studio work, I wouldn't need another software to do my merging. I can easily accomplish that in layers. "good is better than perfect" that is such a laughable thing to say. Have you used other stitching products? They do such a great job because of their secret sauce. I ain't giving out my secrets here for free. But, believe me when I say Capture one will never be able to compete in this arena. As a true 15yr fan of Capture One, sorry to say RIP C One Pro.
Which one do you use? Just curious
The saying is “Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good”. If you never release until it’s perfect, your customers are frustrated at lack of movement. If you release something “good enough” for a reasonable set of customers, you at least have released something and can chip away over the next few weeks/months and then release lots of bug fixesuntil you satisfied enough customers to buy.
I’m not saying they are right to do this. It’s just how software tends to get released. I guess it works as most software companies do it … some more than others.
I am personally disappointed in these artefacts. I would not class this as ‘good enough’.
@@stub911 You have good point there! I remember the disappointment when C1 first released the Dehaze tool with some serious flaws. A few months later it (silently) got updated and became a very useful and intelligent tool, I think.
i wsnna know what is good for you then ? if it's lr, i feel it's extremely strange. that's your personal preference....