You mentioned the 3D Chameleon mode 2 was 30% faster than standard Bambu AMS for color change. Is mode 3 slower than the AMS? It wasn’t mentioned how it performs in comparison. I would prefer to have the Chameleon outside of the printer for noise and ABS/ASA prints even if the color change is a bit slower.
Mode 2 and Mode 3 are equal in time IF the distance between the Y adapter and the extruder is the same. However, with a longer tube, the time naturally increases... because speed is distance/time... increase one, and the other has to increase. With that said, you can easily be a lot faster anyway, because the Y adapter can be attached as close to the top of the printer as possible and will still have a much shorter distance to travel.
Does this work for voron printers? I have a couple of them and I can't find a good practical multicolor, do you have videos of this project on a Voron?
Hi! I’m interested in potentially purchasing this for my CR10s Pro V2 but I had a couple questions first. It’s listed on the FAQ and several other videos that you can combine these together for 8, 12, ect colours, I was wondering how well documented this is and if it would be possible to get a dedicated video of it? I’m also curious how compatible this would be with a tool changer system like the whambam mutant? Thanks in advance!
The installation of two or more simply is the same as the installation of a single unit, except that the filament PTFE tubes are connected together with additional Y adapters. For example, a two unit system would consist of two 3DChameleons, with their two 4 colors Y adapters connected together with a single 2 filament path Y adapter into the extruder. Also, if you have a dual extruder machine, you can attach a single (or more) 3DChameleons to each extruder... the same thing would happen with a tool changer. Each "extruder", whether virtual or real can have as many 3DChameleons as you can fit. Just beware, right now, PrusaSlicer only supports up to 32 colors (which is the max of any slicer) so anything beyond that will require some custom code to generate the proper gcode.
@@3d_chameleon very cool, can both sets of extruders be controlled with the same button? Also with the 3D floppy add on, how does that work if the x gantry has the limit switch on one side and the chameleon controller on the other side? Or does the controller replace the limit switch?
Yes, in a manner of speaking... there is a clever special switch mount that allows for two switches to be engaged at different levels of press. If you press on the mount for 3mm, it will engage the first switch, but if you press it for 5mm, it will engage the second switch.
Any thoughts on integrating into klipper directly in the future, instead of using the microswitch to control? That's honestly the only thing holding me back from this, donno why i just don't like the control method.
@williamsteele ehhhhh that's just changing the switches input from a mechanical operation to a digital operation. Ideally would be full klipper integration. Klipper controlling the steppers directly.
@@53Aries You're more than welcome to go for it, but our controller wasn't designed to communicate with Klipper and really has no features to support it. We only have an ICSP header, so you'd need to write some new firmware to support it, but no serial ports per se.
@williamsteele If you ever did want to integrate, there are really simple and cheap controller boards with an onboard rp2040 for klipper, designed around the enraged rabbit carrot feeder so you get two stepper motor drivers etc. Fysetc ERB is one of them. Not knocking your decisions just wondering if it's something in your pipeline for the future.
@@53Aries My board was designed way before Klipper existed and we're invested in our own design for other reasons as well... having a second design just to support a single firmware doesn't make sense when we already have a board that works rather nicely with every firmware out there. Klipper macros already exist to drive our board via the GPIO pin.
Bill, This will help a lot of people
Just ordered mine, already built all macros in the klipper firmware to accept to change codes from any slicer
You mentioned the 3D Chameleon mode 2 was 30% faster than standard Bambu AMS for color change. Is mode 3 slower than the AMS? It wasn’t mentioned how it performs in comparison. I would prefer to have the Chameleon outside of the printer for noise and ABS/ASA prints even if the color change is a bit slower.
Mode 2 and Mode 3 are equal in time IF the distance between the Y adapter and the extruder is the same. However, with a longer tube, the time naturally increases... because speed is distance/time... increase one, and the other has to increase. With that said, you can easily be a lot faster anyway, because the Y adapter can be attached as close to the top of the printer as possible and will still have a much shorter distance to travel.
@@williamsteeletotally makes sense, I appreciate the quick reply!
Well if it works in both Orca and PrusaSlicer I'm ready to give it a go on SuperSlicer! :)
It works just fine with SuperSlicer... just use the same tool change gcode as PrusaSlicer.
Does this work for voron printers? I have a couple of them and I can't find a good practical multicolor, do you have videos of this project on a Voron?
Yes, it's universal and works on any printer.
Hi! I’m interested in potentially purchasing this for my CR10s Pro V2 but I had a couple questions first. It’s listed on the FAQ and several other videos that you can combine these together for 8, 12, ect colours, I was wondering how well documented this is and if it would be possible to get a dedicated video of it? I’m also curious how compatible this would be with a tool changer system like the whambam mutant? Thanks in advance!
The installation of two or more simply is the same as the installation of a single unit, except that the filament PTFE tubes are connected together with additional Y adapters. For example, a two unit system would consist of two 3DChameleons, with their two 4 colors Y adapters connected together with a single 2 filament path Y adapter into the extruder. Also, if you have a dual extruder machine, you can attach a single (or more) 3DChameleons to each extruder... the same thing would happen with a tool changer. Each "extruder", whether virtual or real can have as many 3DChameleons as you can fit. Just beware, right now, PrusaSlicer only supports up to 32 colors (which is the max of any slicer) so anything beyond that will require some custom code to generate the proper gcode.
@@3d_chameleon very cool, can both sets of extruders be controlled with the same button? Also with the 3D floppy add on, how does that work if the x gantry has the limit switch on one side and the chameleon controller on the other side? Or does the controller replace the limit switch?
Yes, in a manner of speaking... there is a clever special switch mount that allows for two switches to be engaged at different levels of press. If you press on the mount for 3mm, it will engage the first switch, but if you press it for 5mm, it will engage the second switch.
As for the 3DClippy, I'd recommend moving the switch to the Y axis... or wait 2 weeks for our new official solution. 😊
@@williamsteeleOo very interesting I’ll be keeping an eye out then!
You refer to profiles for an ender 3. do you have a link to them or where can they be found ?
Any thoughts on integrating into klipper directly in the future, instead of using the microswitch to control? That's honestly the only thing holding me back from this, donno why i just don't like the control method.
You can already do it... Just tie the green wire to an I/O pin and the black to a ground. Very easy to do
@williamsteele ehhhhh that's just changing the switches input from a mechanical operation to a digital operation. Ideally would be full klipper integration. Klipper controlling the steppers directly.
@@53Aries You're more than welcome to go for it, but our controller wasn't designed to communicate with Klipper and really has no features to support it. We only have an ICSP header, so you'd need to write some new firmware to support it, but no serial ports per se.
@williamsteele If you ever did want to integrate, there are really simple and cheap controller boards with an onboard rp2040 for klipper, designed around the enraged rabbit carrot feeder so you get two stepper motor drivers etc. Fysetc ERB is one of them. Not knocking your decisions just wondering if it's something in your pipeline for the future.
@@53Aries My board was designed way before Klipper existed and we're invested in our own design for other reasons as well... having a second design just to support a single firmware doesn't make sense when we already have a board that works rather nicely with every firmware out there. Klipper macros already exist to drive our board via the GPIO pin.
What does it mean by blackout distance in seconds
That's the distance between the extruder and where the top of the Y adapter is... In seconds.
You refer to profiles for a Bambu 3D printers. do you have a link to them or where can they be found ?
They are on the Printables page for the required printed parts. Search for 3DChameleon P1P for example.