Alex, if you enjoyed this, Tool have a drum cam of their drummer performing Pneuma live. It's staggering to watch, especially since the beat isn't a normal 1,2,3,4
Was just going to say this. Relating it to gaming, you know where all the buttons on your controller are at without looking at them, and you know what each of them does, what sequence to press them in, etc... intuitively. The human brain is pretty amazing at adapting to, and learning skills. I used to play drums many years ago, I'm learning to play guitar now, and I also used to compete in speedcubing (Rubix cubes). All of it is pattern recognition and muscle memory. Failing to not sound cliche, all it takes is PRACTICE.
You mentioned him using his fingers to play consecutive fast notes. As a drummer I can say you are absolutely on the mark here. Drummers use many techniques when playing, but finger control and utilising as much finger motion with as little wrist movement as possible is essential for playing fast and maintaining stamina.
and to answer your question about our mind when playing. there is a lot happening at once so its almost impossible to think of what you are playing, most of our playing comes from muscle memory, and knowing parts back to front. usually the only time I think of what to play is in terms of structure, e.g knowing what part of the song you are approaching.
I second this for the most part. I think about specific beats/rhythms and fills when writing the piece, but once it is written, it is all structure, groove, and feel.
His bpm isn't that fast people. At best feet is 180bpm. That's because he uses his whole leg which takes a lot of energy. It's why so many other metal drummers use ankle,heel to toe or swivel techniques. Shoes have nothing to do with it. It's all technique.
drummer here...since i started drumming with the age of 14 i always wear skating shoes :) and to be a bit more preciselly i like the ones with a wide front sole^^ and to your other question...a drummer's mind (im pretty sure you can say a musicians mind) is working with a lot of muscle-mind memory...you practice grooves or rudiments when your alone in your room...maybe you try to cover some songs and the more confident you become you bring your own beats in your own songs...at the end of the day its like growing as a human...you start to walk (basic 4/4 tact) then you watch wath other people do and learn from them (rudiments) and then the time will come when you start to find your own way (nice poly rythm/jazz/metal etc.)...and when you have choosen your path you can play songs that fit you and your style pretty easy/good...im a metal drummer and when it comes to metalcore i know what to do...but dont ask me about jazz...that shit is to crazy :D
Jay's dad is Max Weinberg, who was the drummer for Bruce Springsteen's E Street band for years, and was the bandleader on Late Night With Conan O'Brien.
This is awesome. Also check out the drum cam of the Lorna Shore drummer doing Sun//Eater or something. That's also insanity in motion! And as you may know, Jay's father is Springsteen's drummer, so he kinda grew up with it (although it did not play that much of a central role in his home-life, he did see his father on a few shows when he was a kid).
100% Agreed! As a Drummer myself I completely agree with this! It also helps if you've listened to the songs and drum parts enough that you've memorised them. I can't read music, I don't understand tab but if you tell me to go and learn a song from ear on the kit, I can definitely do it
I play jembé and practice and muscle memory sounds right for that too. And if you think too much about what you're doing, you F up. lol. But you also need a sense a rhythm. I know people that don't have that and they can practice until the cows go home and never get it.
@@black4pienus I disagree, I started playing drums with zero sense of rhythm and managed to improve it greatly with consistent practice. Everything can be improved by practicing.
To answer your question at around 4:00, 10 years of drumming has gotten me to a point of learning a song, playing it a few times through, and as I memorize the song, I can memorize the drum parts without even putting it on the kit. Once I’m able to but it on the kit, then it’s just repetition until you don’t even have to think about it. At Jay’s level, he may be thinking about different “parts” of the song, but by no means the individual notes. It’s a habit built, and takes a lot of time. For me, my kick drum goes autopilot for the most part, and I rarely think about it while playing. It’s fun. Hope you keep progressing man! I’d love to see you killing it behind the kit someday!
Thank you so much for shining a light on the hard work us drummers do! It's something that does seem to get overlooked! Some other drummers you NEED to check out are Alex Bent (Trivium), Luke Holland, Adam Janzi (VOLA) and Ray Hearne (Haken). All the best dude 🤘
Luke Holland is an animal. Chris Turner (Oceans Ate Alaska) is also incredible. And the drummer that really got me into polyrhythms Morgan Rose (Sevendust).
Been drumming for 23 years and playing extreme metal for almost 20 of those years. It's muscle memory. We create patterns while writing drums, and we memorize the patterns and what order they go in through repetition. I've written and recorded a lot of songs back in 2007-2008 that I haven't played since then and I can jump on my kit and still play them without having to even really think much about it. Once you've memorized a pattern and have done it hundreds if not thousands of times, you will probably never forget it.
The whole finger thing helps when you have a drum head to bounce the stick off of. The stick doesn't bounce very well when you're drumming on your desk or your knee. But when it hits a drum head it'll bounce back up and then you just use your finger tips to bounce it back down. It's one motion against a drum as opposed to two motions against a surface that doesn't cause the bounce.
Hey man I've been a drummer for 9 years and I can tell you, air drumming is a very good way to get into drums. I learned by taking a few lessons then watching a shit ton of drum covers, and listening for the different parts of a drum set in songs so I know how they're used. If you wanna get into drums, picking up a used drum set, buying some entry level cymbals, and playing some basic songs are a great way to start. It's never to late to start learning, and if you wanna get as good as him, then learning the same songs that he plays is a good idea! And btw your air drumming actually looked pretty natural :)
Disasterpieces had a great drum-cam feature on the DVD showing off Joey's talent. Also jay is great but if you want to see talent check out buddy rich, his solos are amazing in my opinion. Also a few of my favorite drummers and maybe some videos to consider. In no particular order Danny Carry -Tool Chris Adler - Lamb of God Dave Grohl - Nirvana / foo fighters Niel Peart - Rush Bill Ward - Black Sabbath Travis Barker - blink 182 Josh Freese - A Perfect Circle / Nine Inch Nails
The drums sound so good because it’s taken from the mixing desk and based on the tightness, also processed quite a bit as there’s no boom. That and the boy is the child of Jay Weinberg, one of the greats.
Got to see him perform with his dad at Guitar Center Drum Off while I was still there... Absolutely amazing to see them battle against each other. If you get a chance to check it out, you will be greatly surprised.
Practice, practice and even more practice! The way i learned was by starting with rock band like Def Leppard, Poison, Bon Jovi, etc... Then when i considered that i was as good if not better then the band drummer, i would crank it up with bands like Faith No More, Metallica, Guns & ROses, so on and on that you reach the hardest like Slayer, System of a Dawn, Slipknot and such.
I started playing and taking lessons for clarinet when I was like 35 years old. Before that I never took any lessons for any instrument, I just played them. That was one the best choices in my adult life.
Drummers are crazy man. Another AMAZING drum cam, besides of course the Pneuma one from Tool, is Slaughter to Prevail Demolisher drum cam. that guy is not human. If you get a chance, check it out
As someone who drummed a bit as a kid, lost it for years, then tried to pick it back up in my mid-30's, I can tell you that yes while it's possible that you can become a very solid drummer after many years of practice (and probably even get to the level of being able to record a passable cover of this song), it is INFINITELY easier to develop drumming skills when you are a kid since a young brain is more malleable when it comes to learning skills. Re-learning things like limb independence, stick control, etc took 10x longer the 2nd time around when my brain had already become a stubborn old bastard. It's also easier to practice for hours on end when you're young and don't have the typical commitments of adult life. There's days I wanted to throw in the towel but eventually got back to a level where it was enjoyable. Also more drum reactions plz :)
Mic’ing the drums from inside is insanely smart. Gives it that massive boom. Whitechapel’s old drummer did that and it sounded like canons going off every time he smacked the toms.
Having watched Drumeo videos the past few weeks, it's cool watching drummers do what's called "active listening". Essentially they listen to the song to know its structure and tempos, and then from their use what they learned over the years to try to recreate the drum track in the song. It's so cool to watch drummers in their element!
As a drummer myself, and to echo what a few others have said, a lot is muscle memory. One of the best things I learned when I was taking lessons was when I was trying to really figure out double kick. My drum teacher imparted the best wisdom. He said, "get your feet going at a comfortable tempo, and then completely forget about your lower half." That's always stuck with me and something that I, and probably a lot of other metal drummers do unconsciously, when playing double kick. You just start on that 1, and then just go, and focus only up top.
I mean, there are people who start at such a young age and also have the gift for it, like Jay. But maybe with a lot of serious practice, reaching a level to be able to play this song could be attainable in 5 to 8 years. Also, if you want to check out another drummer, it would be nice if you could take a look at El Estepario Siberiano's one-handed drum covers or just normal two-handed ones 😄 He's awesome!
I've always worn Vans when I play the drums. They're so lightweight so I can be able to do the fast double kicks. Hope you keep playing the drums, they're super fun!
@@Wernershnitzl Yeah true, Mario is in a complete other league than Jay Weinberg. Mario is really one of the 0.001% Top Drummers, and Jay is not even close to that.
Im big into movies and i have massive respect for the composers. Having to pick the exact music or even just specific notes for one scene alone cant be easy.
It's a combination of natural ability/talent and a lot of work. I've been told by accomplished drummers that you can learn and get to a reasonably good level fairly quickly if you have some aptitude and are willing to spend the time on it. Taking it to higher levels takes a lot more time.
Drummer here. When you first start out, yes, limb coordination is a tough obstacle to overcome. Eventually, with practice, different rhythms come to you like second nature. Your brain and body learn to count out the beats you're playing to keep in time with the music. If you're looking more more drum-focused videos to react to, Danny Carey from Tool has one for "Pneuma", as others have mentioned. Some of my other favorites include Gavin Harrison playing "Anaesthetize", and Mike Portnoy playing "Panic Attack" or "The Great Debate".
For me Alex, once you learn a song, or even something on the spot, you automatically start getting better. Lets just take you and your paradiddles. Lets say you practice them for 3 minutes each day. You're going to start getting better fast, because your brain starts adapting to that movement. So when you're talking about the speed of Jays fills, that's just all within practice and time. The thing is with drums is that when you're going at that speed as in 2:15, you aren't swinging your entire arm while doing that. The stick is more or so bouncing in his hand in a way, because you can't really get that speed with using your entire arm; you'll wear it out. To sum it up, it just takes time and practice and a right method. Jay is a BEAST and I'm happy to see you reacting to him :)
@@prodigalbrock Jay is a great drummer, but he doesn't bury Joey on a technical level. Let's not forget that Jay's father is responsible for him even playing to begin with, Joey started out banging on pots and pans and was 100% self made. I'm not bagging on Jay because there's no denying his abilities, but he sort of had an advantage when it comes to his craft. Joey might not have been the most technical drummer, but he was a powerful, rock steady and energetic drummer that made Slipknot possible. I seen Slipknot just before they exploded and I remember after the concert the one thing that stuck out to me was Joey's playing. Despite the insanity of their stage presence, masks and 9 guys on stage, it was the one behind the drums that blew me away. Slipknot was never the same for me after losing Paul and then Joey, frankly I lost all respect for them after the way they handled the situation with Joey. However, for the sake of the music Jay is doing a good job and we was probably the best choice to fill Joey's shoes.
Alex, when you were talking about Jay's technique you were almost close to doing it. It's a finger technique where your index and thumb lightly hold the stick acting like a fulcrum while middle, ring, and pinkie fingers move the butt end of the stick up and when the head of the stick hits the pad it bounces back. It's used in a lot of heavy blast beats so you aren't using all arm technique which helps to keep stamina up for those long shows/sets.
Yes as a drummer. We're not thinking of what we're playing but two or 3 or even 4 measures ahead waiting for different changes and fills that are important. Also a study was done that proves drummers brains just work differently.
There are so many drummers that are amazing (Danny Carey, Mario D., Tomas Haake, Blake Richardson, Matt Garstka to name a few). They are all so different, it’s not a competition. 👍🏽
@@VirgoKing89 Nice shoutout to Blake Richardson! Dude is a machine. He can play full BTBAM albums front to back with hardly any mistakes at all and the drumming is crazy technical.
The reason it looks so effortless is because he has perfect technique. The best drummers can play blast beats at lightning speeds and look relaxed as hell!
you have to remember that Jay and others have been playing HOURS PER DAY for 15-20+ years. they say if you put 10,000 hours into something, you can master it.
I was playing Slipknot songs within 5 years of playing drums. So, with enough dedication, the answer is YES you could do it. It's frustrating, time consuming, and you will want to quit many, many times. But, if you press on, you absolutely could play this. Pretty much any extreme metal drummer can play this stuff. I would regularly play all the way through their first 3 albums after 5 years of playing. I thought I was such a beast drummer until someone introduced me to much higher levels of drumming and all of a sudden I felt like a nobody again LOL!
True words. And even Slipknot has way harder songs than this one. But naturally those Joey played were way more complex. I'm not saying Jay is a bad drummer, but nowhere near "one of the best '.
For the answer to the drumming question, it depends. See when I learn a song and I'm not that good at it, I need to think about what comes next. But when I know the song really well, I just zone out because it just comes naturally.
As multi-instrumentalist, and a drummer in a past myself, I can tell for sure that drumming is a great way to get into playing music. It will give you an understanding of rhythm as a base of the song, and understanding of songs structure. It is also much easier to learn than the theory of melody-as for any other instrument, especially for a beginner in music. So, if you are thinking about learning how to drum-you absolutely should, because that may be your way into music. But my recomendation is-find a tutor, someone who would guide you through the basics and would be able to explain what to start with. Getting a training pad, or an electric drum kit is a good way to start, but first-get someone who would explain you what to start with. Also, funny thing-I have started my musical journey as a drummer, because I was so inspired with Joey Jordison, that i wanted to become as good as him, so I totally understand what you feel looking at Jay playing and being like-"wtf is going on?? That`s so damn cool!"😁
As a drummer, let me answer the question at 4:05 Yes, a lot of thinking goes into it. It gets easier with time, able to simplify it into essentially fractions. Accuracy is something that is easier at about 120bpm, which is right around the tempo in that song, iirc. Absolutely love Jay and look up to him every fuckin day!
I have been a metal drummer for 22 years. I will tell you its all feeling and muscle memory after the writing process. For me its like my body is doing it and my brain is following along to be sure im doing it right. And yeah you do have to have ”IT” naturally. Good luck!!
GODS!!!!! GIFT!!!!!!!! But also he's looking and listening to the other members waiting on his cue to do his thing.. I will say i did practise drums for a bit and i found its in the wrist and fingers.. like opening your palm and quickly tightening it again while you flick with your wrist. Great reaction.
I don't use social media and don't have a phone, I am busy writting a lot and don't like distractions, But if you listen to slow songs with drum beats learn the rhythm of the song and anticipate where the drum's beats come in, Its odd but i learned more doing that than actually learning lol But when you listen to bands like Skillit, Emphatic, Metalica, Slipnot and others you get a good selection of where the drum's kick in, I enjoy Babymetal Karate drum beat, Though everything about that song is prety good even if i don't understand what the hell they are saying lol Good luck.
Jay is incredible, we all love him!! There's a video of Alex Bent playing "The Catstrophist" by Trivium in the studio and it's insane!! You'll be mind blown!!
Alex, Alex, Alex. I am a drummer and yes this was excellent. If you want to see the best drummer alive check out El Estepario Siberiano he can play drums like this with one hand and I'm not joking. Most drummers agree he is the groovefather. He has some slipknot covers so check him out. Much love and keep on keepin on J. (A reaction to him would be great!)
mostly for drumming when ever i play its like I have a sort of preset of drum grooves i can use and then i can adapt them to fit the riff or just change it up however i like
His dad is the Famous Max Weinberg who was the Drummer for the Late night with Conan o'brian show, and he was the drummer in Bruce Springsteen's E-street band, soooooo, i'm sure he grew up learning on the best drum kit, and he was taught by one of the best drummers in the world (his father).
Hey Alex, im at the 4:00 minute mark and i want to address some of your questions. I have been drumming since I was 13 years old have had the pleasure of doing a bit of studio work and a bit of touring (not with anybody big before anyone asks) so a few answers: 1. Shoes: When im drumming I tend to rely on something that is comfortable, and can take abuse especially playing metal. DC shoes are my favorite 2. His hands: This is a common misconception with people: For percussionists most of the movement is in the wrists thats how these drum fills get crazy speeds 3. How to play the song and timing: Practice, Practice, More Practice, and oh yea, practice. Just because I was in a band i held a normal civilian job as well, ironically guitar center (not as crazy as you may think) during my lunch breaks id get on an electric kit and practice the songs my band had in our set for any upcoming shows, and that wasn't including the 3 practices a week. Despite not having sat behind a kit or with the band in a few years now, if they called me tomorrow and said 'hey we are playing this ep' i could sit in and after some time warming up to the tempo etc play every song in the set. Its all muscle memory. True story me and the bassist of my former band would play world of warcraft, i would literally be thinking about raid strategies for ice crown (a raid) while playing live. Hope some of this helps. Edit: to your question at 5:24 about getting to that level: Yes, it will take time, it will not happen overnight. But with practice drumming at that level consistently is attainable. Edit #2: At 8:00 you mention trying to take a drink of water and being blasted in the face and that is exactly what is happening. I didn't start playing Metallica 'one' or Slipknot 'People = Shit' the moment i picked up the drum sticks. The first rock song I learned how to play was Queen "Another One Bites the Dust" a few months later it was Deep Purple "Smoke on the Water" a year later was my first attempt at Metallica "Sad but true" and it physically hurt to keep that tempo that long, but i kept going. By my senior year of high school I could reliably play Slipknot, Mudvayne, Korn, Rush, Metallica, and several other bands. Edit #3: Jay Weinberg is a fantastic drummer, but if we're talking technicality or impact in drumming my inspirations are as follows: 1: Buddy Rich 2: Joey Jordison 3: Neil Peart 4: John Bonham 5: Niko McBrain 6: Danny Carey 7: Travis Barker 8: Lars Ulrich 9. Ringo Starr 10. Art Blakey
Dude, I learned by ear I have to say my mindset is like a metronome drumming i’m 41 I’ve been playing since I was seven to me, it’s having the same song stuck in your head over and over and over
Never to late to start! All about learning techniques and patterns. The papradiddle is a great start, I’d add to that the six stroke roll (RllrrL).Playing fast isn’t about muscling it out, it’s about efficiency (technique) and muscle memory. You’ve got this dude! Check some tutorials on proper stick grip and posture to start off strong. Those are hard to fix later.
The most mind-blowing drum solo I’ve seen to date is by Mike Mangini from when he was playing with Steve Vai. It must have been more than 20 years ago but it has that vibe of his brain being split into three or four to account for all his limbs doing different things. And also his speed with one hand, I believe he was a record breaker, I’m not sure what the record is nowadays 🤔 He’s also really fun to watch, I greatly recommend watching it!
I definitely recommend you check out Neil Peart of Rush. He was definitely one of the most creative and coordinated drummers of all time in my opinion.
1) to reach his level is a combination of gift and practice (time) 2) once you reach a certain skill level, some of the individual beats become second nature and you start thinking of them by the group that you can the piece together to make the drum track for the song 3) once you have those automated processes going, you start "feeling" the rhythm of the song and start automatically piecing those groups together. Long story short: at a certain point, aspects become so automated that it feels more like riding a bike or skis down a hill than trying to hold on to a specific beat
Alex, maybe you should check out Evgeny Novikovs drum playthrough of Demolisher by Slaughter to Prevail. I know you know the song, i´d just think you would love to get mind blown by his skills aswell. Atleast just as much as Jays playing :)
as a drummer, it's a lot of muscle memory, a music learned could be played blindfolded. When you listen a song for the first time you heared what he is playing, which technique he use etc
as a drummer i've practiced alot of different stuff like fills, rudiments, dynamic control, stamina control etc etc. and when you're behind the kit, sure you're thinking of what you are doing but you already have an archive in the back of your head with stuff you can use so you just pick and choose different stuff in like nano seconds, you dont have time to be like "right left right right left right left left" you already know how to play that so it just happens
Been guitarist in a metal band for 30 years. Lots and lots of practice! After you have played the song so many times you are sick of hearing it, practice ot some more. Then it starts to become more natural. However, it's never just "natural". It takes very serious concentration all the time.
Many drummers will use both their fingers and the momentum of hitting the snare because it causes the stick to bounce. That is the key to doing fast fills.
I believe your thinking about Joey Jordison Slipknot's original drummer but Jay is great in his own right. There are soo many sick drummers to check out but i would recommend Eloy Casagrande.
It's all about conscious practice (even better with a good teacher to lead the way) and putting in the time to improve on a daily basis. I've been studying drums for almost 25 years now, and once you understand the principles, you can direct your training towards mastering and achieving your goals as a musician. All that being said, he is an awesome drummer.
I'm a drummer, I am not nearly as good as Jay but I play everything on muscle memory and feeling. I am self-taught and have never read sheet music, I still can't. I learn a song by listening to the songs and as a result I have trained my hearing to focus in on the drums.
No smoke to Jay, he is amazing but if you want to be blown away by some amazing drummers - check Evgeny Novikov from Slaughter to Prevail, Austin Archey from Lorna Shore, Aaron Kitcher from Infant Annihilator and other deathcore drummers, the drum play throughs of their songs. The technique and the speed they have is out of this world. Jay is a legend but idk if he will be able to keep up with these guys.
I’ve been drumming for over 20 years, to answer some of your questions. When you first create or learn a drum part you are consciously thinking about the parts. But after a ton of repetition and practice, you stop thinking about it and muscle memory just kicks in. Can you get to Jays level of drumming? Well, that depends, how much time do you have to dedicate to practice? If you took up lessons and practiced hours a day everyday for years sure you could certainly get there eventually. And while some people have more of a natural ability for music, anyone can get to a high level with practice, dedication and consistency. Btw I am a professional drum teacher so if you ever want a free virtual lesson I’d be down man, no strings attached! (Also practice your paradiddle slowly and make sure every hit is even 😉 🥁 🤘)
Everyone forgets or doesn't know about the OG Jon Rice drum playthrough. I remeber seeing it way before the playthrough thing became so popular. Also i know you've had him on the channel before but Alex Bent is a God tier drummer who i feel people are still not familiarized with. Guy plays insane tracks, really utilizes the whole kit and makes it look like he does it with ease.
When you’re writing a beat, it’s natural more or less. Whatever time signature in you’re in, you go with a general semi basic beat, the fills, the rolls, everything in between is figured out the more you play, and once the beat is written, you’re all set. Then it’s muscle memory.
Jay is a beast. Unsainted is, 100% SURE, one of the best Slipknot songs. Edit: after watched the video I'm back to recommend you another two shots: 1) the Joey Jordison's drum solo from Disasterpieces DVD, and the Eyeless' drum intro. Enjoy.
Another good one is Ben from Whitechapel playing "Our Endless War" live. Its another drum cam video with great audio. Another awesome drummer with fantastic drumming and fills. Impressive speed and clarity.
Im a drummer, i wear underarmour running shoes, tied tight. When it comes to drumming, you constantly have to view where youre gonna be moving in 5 or 10 moves. Also, the reason its that fast on the snare and toms is stick bounce. If you do it the right way, you can get 2 or 3 bounces off of 1 hit. Hence, the drumroll. When it comes to the blast beat, its about bouncing the sticks with your middle and ring fingers, or ring and pinky fingers.
Alex, if you enjoyed this, Tool have a drum cam of their drummer performing Pneuma live. It's staggering to watch, especially since the beat isn't a normal 1,2,3,4
Danny Carey is literally the best drummer.
this is a must watch!
Yes, I fully agree with you on Danny Carey. The breakdown in the video is absolutely amazing.
oyeha! thats one of the kinde drummer, check it out!
@@bigbrownie7Danny Carey, Gavin Harrison, Mario Duplantier, Thomas Haake, Gene Hoglan. Probly the current top 5 drummers in my eyes
Being a drummer a lot of it does come in the form of muscle memory, once you learn your kit and the song you could play any song blindfolded.
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Was just going to say this. Relating it to gaming, you know where all the buttons on your controller are at without looking at them, and you know what each of them does, what sequence to press them in, etc... intuitively. The human brain is pretty amazing at adapting to, and learning skills. I used to play drums many years ago, I'm learning to play guitar now, and I also used to compete in speedcubing (Rubix cubes). All of it is pattern recognition and muscle memory. Failing to not sound cliche, all it takes is PRACTICE.
he could probably barely see out if the mask either
I concur!
Tempo is never muscle memory though. As a drummer, if a drummer can hold tempo perfect like that, I'm seriously impressed.
You mentioned him using his fingers to play consecutive fast notes. As a drummer I can say you are absolutely on the mark here. Drummers use many techniques when playing, but finger control and utilising as much finger motion with as little wrist movement as possible is essential for playing fast and maintaining stamina.
and to answer your question about our mind when playing. there is a lot happening at once so its almost impossible to think of what you are playing, most of our playing comes from muscle memory, and knowing parts back to front. usually the only time I think of what to play is in terms of structure, e.g knowing what part of the song you are approaching.
I second this for the most part. I think about specific beats/rhythms and fills when writing the piece, but once it is written, it is all structure, groove, and feel.
El Estepario Siberiano is the beastliest drummer alive 🤘
Yep. Someone had to say it.
I came here to say the same thing.
Facts! Dude is a goddamn machine
He's untouchable.... with the largest drumming page on TH-cam.
Jay is an impressive drummer for sure, but Estepario Siberiano can play every slipknot song absolutely no problem. He is just way ahead Jay
Jay makes it look so easy, but to play those amount of notes, at that bpm, with those tempo switchups, and not miss a single beat, it's insane
Well, you have to remember that he did write the drums for the song.
Some of the rapid short snare fills sounded a bit butchered though
that BPM is that reaaaal hard part
@@blainelewis4378 makes it easier, but not flat out easy
His bpm isn't that fast people. At best feet is 180bpm. That's because he uses his whole leg which takes a lot of energy. It's why so many other metal drummers use ankle,heel to toe or swivel techniques. Shoes have nothing to do with it. It's all technique.
drummer here...since i started drumming with the age of 14 i always wear skating shoes :) and to be a bit more preciselly i like the ones with a wide front sole^^
and to your other question...a drummer's mind (im pretty sure you can say a musicians mind) is working with a lot of muscle-mind memory...you practice grooves or rudiments when your alone in your room...maybe you try to cover some songs and the more confident you become you bring your own beats in your own songs...at the end of the day its like growing as a human...you start to walk (basic 4/4 tact) then you watch wath other people do and learn from them (rudiments) and then the time will come when you start to find your own way (nice poly rythm/jazz/metal etc.)...and when you have choosen your path you can play songs that fit you and your style pretty easy/good...im a metal drummer and when it comes to metalcore i know what to do...but dont ask me about jazz...that shit is to crazy :D
Jay's dad is Max Weinberg, who was the drummer for Bruce Springsteen's E Street band for years, and was the bandleader on Late Night With Conan O'Brien.
He still is the drummer for the E Street Band!
You should see the duet Max and Jay are having. That's an awesome piece of drumming right there. I love that video, it's so wholesome 😁🤘🏻
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Jay was stand in on a Springsteen tour in a young age
I saw Jay Weinberg live with Slipknot last June, then a week later I saw Max Weinberg live with Bruce Springsteen in Germany 😂
This is awesome. Also check out the drum cam of the Lorna Shore drummer doing Sun//Eater or something. That's also insanity in motion!
And as you may know, Jay's father is Springsteen's drummer, so he kinda grew up with it (although it did not play that much of a central role in his home-life, he did see his father on a few shows when he was a kid).
4:00 100% practice and muscle memory. I've been a drummer my whole life.
100% Agreed! As a Drummer myself I completely agree with this! It also helps if you've listened to the songs and drum parts enough that you've memorised them. I can't read music, I don't understand tab but if you tell me to go and learn a song from ear on the kit, I can definitely do it
@@jordanstrang8056 Exactly me too.
I play jembé and practice and muscle memory sounds right for that too. And if you think too much about what you're doing, you F up. lol. But you also need a sense a rhythm. I know people that don't have that and they can practice until the cows go home and never get it.
@@black4pienus I disagree, I started playing drums with zero sense of rhythm and managed to improve it greatly with consistent practice. Everything can be improved by practicing.
^THIS!
To answer your question at around 4:00, 10 years of drumming has gotten me to a point of learning a song, playing it a few times through, and as I memorize the song, I can memorize the drum parts without even putting it on the kit. Once I’m able to but it on the kit, then it’s just repetition until you don’t even have to think about it. At Jay’s level, he may be thinking about different “parts” of the song, but by no means the individual notes. It’s a habit built, and takes a lot of time.
For me, my kick drum goes autopilot for the most part, and I rarely think about it while playing.
It’s fun. Hope you keep progressing man! I’d love to see you killing it behind the kit someday!
Thank you so much for shining a light on the hard work us drummers do! It's something that does seem to get overlooked! Some other drummers you NEED to check out are Alex Bent (Trivium), Luke Holland, Adam Janzi (VOLA) and Ray Hearne (Haken). All the best dude 🤘
Luke Holland is an animal. Chris Turner (Oceans Ate Alaska) is also incredible. And the drummer that really got me into polyrhythms Morgan Rose (Sevendust).
He’s unreal. Love that he grew up a fan and his dad is a legend too. Love the channel Alex!
Been drumming for 23 years and playing extreme metal for almost 20 of those years. It's muscle memory. We create patterns while writing drums, and we memorize the patterns and what order they go in through repetition. I've written and recorded a lot of songs back in 2007-2008 that I haven't played since then and I can jump on my kit and still play them without having to even really think much about it. Once you've memorized a pattern and have done it hundreds if not thousands of times, you will probably never forget it.
The whole finger thing helps when you have a drum head to bounce the stick off of. The stick doesn't bounce very well when you're drumming on your desk or your knee. But when it hits a drum head it'll bounce back up and then you just use your finger tips to bounce it back down. It's one motion against a drum as opposed to two motions against a surface that doesn't cause the bounce.
Danny Carey of Tool is another insane drummer. His polyrhythms, fills and solos are mind blowing.
Right answer!! This dude is a tool after reading the headlines and went to the comments! haah
Yup, Paola , Kansas's own ..
Danny Carey is like 3 leagues above Jay Weinberg or even more.
Hey man I've been a drummer for 9 years and I can tell you, air drumming is a very good way to get into drums. I learned by taking a few lessons then watching a shit ton of drum covers, and listening for the different parts of a drum set in songs so I know how they're used. If you wanna get into drums, picking up a used drum set, buying some entry level cymbals, and playing some basic songs are a great way to start. It's never to late to start learning, and if you wanna get as good as him, then learning the same songs that he plays is a good idea! And btw your air drumming actually looked pretty natural :)
Disasterpieces had a great drum-cam feature on the DVD showing off Joey's talent.
Also jay is great but if you want to see talent check out buddy rich, his solos are amazing in my opinion.
Also a few of my favorite drummers and maybe some videos to consider.
In no particular order
Danny Carry -Tool
Chris Adler - Lamb of God
Dave Grohl - Nirvana / foo fighters
Niel Peart - Rush
Bill Ward - Black Sabbath
Travis Barker - blink 182
Josh Freese - A Perfect Circle / Nine Inch Nails
Hey Alex, check out El Estepario Siberiano playing a slipknot tune with one hand (as requested by slipknot) 😁😘
This man has to see the eyeless joey jordison intro live!
I still think Joey is one of the Best ever. Well missed to R.I.P Joey.
@@terryosborne272 yea what a legend, he will be missed!
There's so many great drummers out there.
The drums sound so good because it’s taken from the mixing desk and based on the tightness, also processed quite a bit as there’s no boom. That and the boy is the child of Jay Weinberg, one of the greats.
There's a video on youtube of Joey Jordison Drum Solo in the studio that is insane to see.
Got to see him perform with his dad at Guitar Center Drum Off while I was still there... Absolutely amazing to see them battle against each other. If you get a chance to check it out, you will be greatly surprised.
Practice, practice and even more practice! The way i learned was by starting with rock band like Def Leppard, Poison, Bon Jovi, etc... Then when i considered that i was as good if not better then the band drummer, i would crank it up with bands like Faith No More, Metallica, Guns & ROses, so on and on that you reach the hardest like Slayer, System of a Dawn, Slipknot and such.
Jay is without a doubt a great drummer. But could you please do a reaction of Eloy Casagrande, this guy is amazing too. Greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷
Jay is one of the main reasons I picked up drumming. Hopefully one day I can play his stuff cause right now it’s too damn hard 😭
Music is for everyone Alex. Never too late to start. Drums guitar piano, all of it. The world is your oyster. Rock on 🤘🏼
@alexbarie4812 Facts!
I started playing and taking lessons for clarinet when I was like 35 years old. Before that I never took any lessons for any instrument, I just played them. That was one the best choices in my adult life.
Daney Carey, Vinnie Paul, The Rev are some of my fav drummers all time
Drummers are crazy man. Another AMAZING drum cam, besides of course the Pneuma one from Tool, is Slaughter to Prevail Demolisher drum cam. that guy is not human. If you get a chance, check it out
As someone who drummed a bit as a kid, lost it for years, then tried to pick it back up in my mid-30's, I can tell you that yes while it's possible that you can become a very solid drummer after many years of practice (and probably even get to the level of being able to record a passable cover of this song), it is INFINITELY easier to develop drumming skills when you are a kid since a young brain is more malleable when it comes to learning skills. Re-learning things like limb independence, stick control, etc took 10x longer the 2nd time around when my brain had already become a stubborn old bastard. It's also easier to practice for hours on end when you're young and don't have the typical commitments of adult life. There's days I wanted to throw in the towel but eventually got back to a level where it was enjoyable.
Also more drum reactions plz :)
Jay is great....but no one moves like joey i have never seen a drummer with inhuman movements ❤
Mic’ing the drums from inside is insanely smart. Gives it that massive boom. Whitechapel’s old drummer did that and it sounded like canons going off every time he smacked the toms.
Or you go full Eloy Casagrande style a few miles away from the drums with the only mic you have
For me personally, the parts themselves are muscle memory, but I’m thinking about the songs structure, when the verse ends into the chorus, etc.
Having watched Drumeo videos the past few weeks, it's cool watching drummers do what's called "active listening". Essentially they listen to the song to know its structure and tempos, and then from their use what they learned over the years to try to recreate the drum track in the song. It's so cool to watch drummers in their element!
As a drummer myself, and to echo what a few others have said, a lot is muscle memory. One of the best things I learned when I was taking lessons was when I was trying to really figure out double kick. My drum teacher imparted the best wisdom. He said, "get your feet going at a comfortable tempo, and then completely forget about your lower half." That's always stuck with me and something that I, and probably a lot of other metal drummers do unconsciously, when playing double kick. You just start on that 1, and then just go, and focus only up top.
I mean, there are people who start at such a young age and also have the gift for it, like Jay. But maybe with a lot of serious practice, reaching a level to be able to play this song could be attainable in 5 to 8 years. Also, if you want to check out another drummer, it would be nice if you could take a look at El Estepario Siberiano's one-handed drum covers or just normal two-handed ones 😄 He's awesome!
drumming is an intense practicing of muscle memory, and then it comes naturally, but it´s not easy in the beginning.
Drummers are out of this world. I can barely talk and walk at the same time
Then you might be a drummer
@@tylersays- daamn
I've always worn Vans when I play the drums. They're so lightweight so I can be able to do the fast double kicks. Hope you keep playing the drums, they're super fun!
Jay Weinberg/Joey Jordison, Mario Duplantier and Danney Carey are imo the best HEAVY Metal drummers of all time
It’s kind of criminal Mario Duplantier isn’t mentioned nearly as much as the others, considering he’s arguably the best one out there.
@@Wernershnitzl Yeah true, Mario is in a complete other league than Jay Weinberg. Mario is really one of the 0.001% Top Drummers, and Jay is not even close to that.
Im big into movies and i have massive respect for the composers. Having to pick the exact music or even just specific notes for one scene alone cant be easy.
The way he moves his feet, so fast... yet he truly looks like he missed legs day for his entire life. Amazing!
It's a combination of natural ability/talent and a lot of work. I've been told by accomplished drummers that you can learn and get to a reasonably good level fairly quickly if you have some aptitude and are willing to spend the time on it. Taking it to higher levels takes a lot more time.
I'm amazed by drummers. Jay and Danny from TooL totally blow my mind.
Wrong.
Thomas lang is much better than Carey
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Tomas Haake
@@SIRebrum Lang would annihilate him just with his feet.
Drummer here. When you first start out, yes, limb coordination is a tough obstacle to overcome. Eventually, with practice, different rhythms come to you like second nature. Your brain and body learn to count out the beats you're playing to keep in time with the music. If you're looking more more drum-focused videos to react to, Danny Carey from Tool has one for "Pneuma", as others have mentioned. Some of my other favorites include Gavin Harrison playing "Anaesthetize", and Mike Portnoy playing "Panic Attack" or "The Great Debate".
El Estepario Siberiano can do this one handed 🤐
For me Alex, once you learn a song, or even something on the spot, you automatically start getting better. Lets just take you and your paradiddles. Lets say you practice them for 3 minutes each day. You're going to start getting better fast, because your brain starts adapting to that movement. So when you're talking about the speed of Jays fills, that's just all within practice and time. The thing is with drums is that when you're going at that speed as in 2:15, you aren't swinging your entire arm while doing that. The stick is more or so bouncing in his hand in a way, because you can't really get that speed with using your entire arm; you'll wear it out. To sum it up, it just takes time and practice and a right method. Jay is a BEAST and I'm happy to see you reacting to him :)
Awesomeness!!! Sorry but Neil Peart is & was The G.O.A.T. on drums!!! Keep On Rocking 🤘😈
When Alex said to name one, that's who came to my mind first
@@salvatorebaleno9807 I did. I texted Neil Peart
its the feet and hands doing different things that disqualifies me as drummer.
While Jay is pretty good, no one will be better than Joey.
Jay technically buries Joey. Joey was more speed still insanely but Jay on a technical level can play any style and things like that.
@@prodigalbrock Jay is a great drummer, but he doesn't bury Joey on a technical level. Let's not forget that Jay's father is responsible for him even playing to begin with, Joey started out banging on pots and pans and was 100% self made. I'm not bagging on Jay because there's no denying his abilities, but he sort of had an advantage when it comes to his craft.
Joey might not have been the most technical drummer, but he was a powerful, rock steady and energetic drummer that made Slipknot possible. I seen Slipknot just before they exploded and I remember after the concert the one thing that stuck out to me was Joey's playing. Despite the insanity of their stage presence, masks and 9 guys on stage, it was the one behind the drums that blew me away. Slipknot was never the same for me after losing Paul and then Joey, frankly I lost all respect for them after the way they handled the situation with Joey. However, for the sake of the music Jay is doing a good job and we was probably the best choice to fill Joey's shoes.
Joey had speed, that was it, he wasn’t creative at all. And far from the greatest drummer
@@85ddrummer Opinions, everyone’s entitled to theirs
opinions 😁but for me Jay is WAAAAAAAAY BETTER than Joey 🤘
Alex, when you were talking about Jay's technique you were almost close to doing it. It's a finger technique where your index and thumb lightly hold the stick acting like a fulcrum while middle, ring, and pinkie fingers move the butt end of the stick up and when the head of the stick hits the pad it bounces back. It's used in a lot of heavy blast beats so you aren't using all arm technique which helps to keep stamina up for those long shows/sets.
some people are born with a talent.. Jay is born to play the drums. Not many people will be able to play like that
Yes as a drummer. We're not thinking of what we're playing but two or 3 or even 4 measures ahead waiting for different changes and fills that are important. Also a study was done that proves drummers brains just work differently.
Danny Carrey is the best drummer alive❗
Mario form Gojira? Brann from Mastodon? tough fight
I think I agree with you but this dude is awesome too!
There are so many drummers that are amazing (Danny Carey, Mario D., Tomas Haake, Blake Richardson, Matt Garstka to name a few). They are all so different, it’s not a competition. 👍🏽
@@VirgoKing89 Nice shoutout to Blake Richardson! Dude is a machine. He can play full BTBAM albums front to back with hardly any mistakes at all and the drumming is crazy technical.
Love his work. Another drummer for you to check out Alex (though different genre) is Yoshiki from X-Japan
Jay is easily in my top 5 best/favorite drummers and seeing him live was incredible.
The reason it looks so effortless is because he has perfect technique. The best drummers can play blast beats at lightning speeds and look relaxed as hell!
as a drummer ... yes you don't think when playing drum's you just play🤟🤟🥁🥁🥁
you have to remember that Jay and others have been playing HOURS PER DAY for 15-20+ years.
they say if you put 10,000 hours into something, you can master it.
I was playing Slipknot songs within 5 years of playing drums. So, with enough dedication, the answer is YES you could do it. It's frustrating, time consuming, and you will want to quit many, many times. But, if you press on, you absolutely could play this. Pretty much any extreme metal drummer can play this stuff. I would regularly play all the way through their first 3 albums after 5 years of playing. I thought I was such a beast drummer until someone introduced me to much higher levels of drumming and all of a sudden I felt like a nobody again LOL!
True words. And even Slipknot has way harder songs than this one. But naturally those Joey played were way more complex. I'm not saying Jay is a bad drummer, but nowhere near "one of the best '.
For the answer to the drumming question, it depends. See when I learn a song and I'm not that good at it, I need to think about what comes next. But when I know the song really well, I just zone out because it just comes naturally.
As multi-instrumentalist, and a drummer in a past myself, I can tell for sure that drumming is a great way to get into playing music. It will give you an understanding of rhythm as a base of the song, and understanding of songs structure. It is also much easier to learn than the theory of melody-as for any other instrument, especially for a beginner in music. So, if you are thinking about learning how to drum-you absolutely should, because that may be your way into music. But my recomendation is-find a tutor, someone who would guide you through the basics and would be able to explain what to start with. Getting a training pad, or an electric drum kit is a good way to start, but first-get someone who would explain you what to start with.
Also, funny thing-I have started my musical journey as a drummer, because I was so inspired with Joey Jordison, that i wanted to become as good as him, so I totally understand what you feel looking at Jay playing and being like-"wtf is going on?? That`s so damn cool!"😁
As a drummer, let me answer the question at 4:05
Yes, a lot of thinking goes into it. It gets easier with time, able to simplify it into essentially fractions. Accuracy is something that is easier at about 120bpm, which is right around the tempo in that song, iirc.
Absolutely love Jay and look up to him every fuckin day!
I have been a metal drummer for 22 years. I will tell you its all feeling and muscle memory after the writing process. For me its like my body is doing it and my brain is following along to be sure im doing it right. And yeah you do have to have ”IT” naturally. Good luck!!
GODS!!!!! GIFT!!!!!!!! But also he's looking and listening to the other members waiting on his cue to do his thing.. I will say i did practise drums for a bit and i found its in the wrist and fingers.. like opening your palm and quickly tightening it again while you flick with your wrist. Great reaction.
I don't use social media and don't have a phone, I am busy writting a lot and don't like distractions, But if you listen to slow songs with drum beats learn the rhythm of the song and anticipate where the drum's beats come in, Its odd but i learned more doing that than actually learning lol But when you listen to bands like Skillit, Emphatic, Metalica, Slipnot and others you get a good selection of where the drum's kick in, I enjoy Babymetal Karate drum beat, Though everything about that song is prety good even if i don't understand what the hell they are saying lol Good luck.
Jay is incredible, we all love him!! There's a video of Alex Bent playing "The Catstrophist" by Trivium in the studio and it's insane!! You'll be mind blown!!
Alex, Alex, Alex. I am a drummer and yes this was excellent. If you want to see the best drummer alive check out El Estepario Siberiano he can play drums like this with one hand and I'm not joking. Most drummers agree he is the groovefather. He has some slipknot covers so check him out. Much love and keep on keepin on J. (A reaction to him would be great!)
mostly for drumming when ever i play its like I have a sort of preset of drum grooves i can use and then i can adapt them to fit the riff or just change it up however i like
His dad is the Famous Max Weinberg who was the Drummer for the Late night with Conan o'brian show, and he was the drummer in Bruce Springsteen's E-street band, soooooo, i'm sure he grew up learning on the best drum kit, and he was taught by one of the best drummers in the world (his father).
Hey Alex, im at the 4:00 minute mark and i want to address some of your questions. I have been drumming since I was 13 years old have had the pleasure of doing a bit of studio work and a bit of touring (not with anybody big before anyone asks) so a few answers:
1. Shoes: When im drumming I tend to rely on something that is comfortable, and can take abuse especially playing metal. DC shoes are my favorite
2. His hands: This is a common misconception with people: For percussionists most of the movement is in the wrists thats how these drum fills get crazy speeds
3. How to play the song and timing: Practice, Practice, More Practice, and oh yea, practice. Just because I was in a band i held a normal civilian job as well, ironically guitar center (not as crazy as you may think) during my lunch breaks id get on an electric kit and practice the songs my band had in our set for any upcoming shows, and that wasn't including the 3 practices a week. Despite not having sat behind a kit or with the band in a few years now, if they called me tomorrow and said 'hey we are playing this ep' i could sit in and after some time warming up to the tempo etc play every song in the set. Its all muscle memory. True story me and the bassist of my former band would play world of warcraft, i would literally be thinking about raid strategies for ice crown (a raid) while playing live.
Hope some of this helps.
Edit: to your question at 5:24 about getting to that level: Yes, it will take time, it will not happen overnight. But with practice drumming at that level consistently is attainable.
Edit #2: At 8:00 you mention trying to take a drink of water and being blasted in the face and that is exactly what is happening. I didn't start playing Metallica 'one' or Slipknot 'People = Shit' the moment i picked up the drum sticks. The first rock song I learned how to play was Queen "Another One Bites the Dust" a few months later it was Deep Purple "Smoke on the Water" a year later was my first attempt at Metallica "Sad but true" and it physically hurt to keep that tempo that long, but i kept going. By my senior year of high school I could reliably play Slipknot, Mudvayne, Korn, Rush, Metallica, and several other bands.
Edit #3: Jay Weinberg is a fantastic drummer, but if we're talking technicality or impact in drumming my inspirations are as follows:
1: Buddy Rich
2: Joey Jordison
3: Neil Peart
4: John Bonham
5: Niko McBrain
6: Danny Carey
7: Travis Barker
8: Lars Ulrich
9. Ringo Starr
10. Art Blakey
Yes. In a few years of practice and intentionality towards the metal genre. You absolutely could get to that speed
Dude, I learned by ear I have to say my mindset is like a metronome drumming i’m 41 I’ve been playing since I was seven to me, it’s having the same song stuck in your head over and over and over
Never to late to start! All about learning techniques and patterns. The papradiddle is a great start, I’d add to that the six stroke roll (RllrrL).Playing fast isn’t about muscling it out, it’s about efficiency (technique) and muscle memory.
You’ve got this dude! Check some tutorials on proper stick grip and posture to start off strong. Those are hard to fix later.
The most mind-blowing drum solo I’ve seen to date is by Mike Mangini from when he was playing with Steve Vai. It must have been more than 20 years ago but it has that vibe of his brain being split into three or four to account for all his limbs doing different things. And also his speed with one hand, I believe he was a record breaker, I’m not sure what the record is nowadays 🤔 He’s also really fun to watch, I greatly recommend watching it!
I like drumming in my Converse Chuck Taylors
I definitely recommend you check out Neil Peart of Rush. He was definitely one of the most creative and coordinated drummers of all time in my opinion.
1) to reach his level is a combination of gift and practice (time)
2) once you reach a certain skill level, some of the individual beats become second nature and you start thinking of them by the group that you can the piece together to make the drum track for the song
3) once you have those automated processes going, you start "feeling" the rhythm of the song and start automatically piecing those groups together.
Long story short: at a certain point, aspects become so automated that it feels more like riding a bike or skis down a hill than trying to hold on to a specific beat
Alex, maybe you should check out Evgeny Novikovs drum playthrough of Demolisher by Slaughter to Prevail. I know you know the song, i´d just think you would love to get mind blown by his skills aswell. Atleast just as much as Jays playing :)
as a drummer, it's a lot of muscle memory, a music learned could be played blindfolded. When you listen a song for the first time you heared what he is playing, which technique he use etc
Jay’s drum tech needs a raise those toms are sounding next level. Loving the tone they have on those rack/floor toms
as a drummer i've practiced alot of different stuff like fills, rudiments, dynamic control, stamina control etc etc. and when you're behind the kit, sure you're thinking of what you are doing but you already have an archive in the back of your head with stuff you can use so you just pick and choose different stuff in like nano seconds, you dont have time to be like "right left right right left right left left" you already know how to play that so it just happens
Been guitarist in a metal band for 30 years. Lots and lots of practice! After you have played the song so many times you are sick of hearing it, practice ot some more. Then it starts to become more natural. However, it's never just "natural". It takes very serious concentration all the time.
The most impressive drum performance playthrough I’ve seen is “Cowards Deathbed” by Signs of the Swarm.
There are a handful of “best drummers”.
Many drummers will use both their fingers and the momentum of hitting the snare because it causes the stick to bounce. That is the key to doing fast fills.
You need to watch El Estepario Siberiano playing drums to slipknot with one hand.
I believe your thinking about Joey Jordison Slipknot's original drummer but Jay is great in his own right. There are soo many sick drummers to check out but i would recommend Eloy Casagrande.
Another drummer here! And this man is a BEAST! Check out The Dave Matthews Band Live Drum Solo, Carter B. is an amazing drummer as well
It's all about conscious practice (even better with a good teacher to lead the way) and putting in the time to improve on a daily basis.
I've been studying drums for almost 25 years now, and once you understand the principles, you can direct your training towards mastering and achieving your goals as a musician.
All that being said, he is an awesome drummer.
I'm a drummer, I am not nearly as good as Jay but I play everything on muscle memory and feeling. I am self-taught and have never read sheet music, I still can't. I learn a song by listening to the songs and as a result I have trained my hearing to focus in on the drums.
No smoke to Jay, he is amazing but if you want to be blown away by some amazing drummers - check Evgeny Novikov from Slaughter to Prevail, Austin Archey from Lorna Shore, Aaron Kitcher from Infant Annihilator and other deathcore drummers, the drum play throughs of their songs. The technique and the speed they have is out of this world. Jay is a legend but idk if he will be able to keep up with these guys.
I’ve been drumming for over 20 years, to answer some of your questions. When you first create or learn a drum part you are consciously thinking about the parts. But after a ton of repetition and practice, you stop thinking about it and muscle memory just kicks in.
Can you get to Jays level of drumming? Well, that depends, how much time do you have to dedicate to practice? If you took up lessons and practiced hours a day everyday for years sure you could certainly get there eventually. And while some people have more of a natural ability for music, anyone can get to a high level with practice, dedication and consistency. Btw I am a professional drum teacher so if you ever want a free virtual lesson I’d be down man, no strings attached!
(Also practice your paradiddle slowly and make sure every hit is even 😉 🥁 🤘)
You should check out a Chapeltown Rag drum cam. It’s even more insane
I loved slipknot with Joey ,he's my Number 1 and always will be ,but Jay has got skill no doubt,amazing drummers :D
It's weird in the way that makes you awesome Alex! I'm here for it.
Also "dirt squirrel " 😂😂😂😂😂
Austin Archey, pain remains trilogy, 20 minutes of insane drums
Everyone forgets or doesn't know about the OG Jon Rice drum playthrough. I remeber seeing it way before the playthrough thing became so popular. Also i know you've had him on the channel before but Alex Bent is a God tier drummer who i feel people are still not familiarized with. Guy plays insane tracks, really utilizes the whole kit and makes it look like he does it with ease.
When you’re writing a beat, it’s natural more or less. Whatever time signature in you’re in, you go with a general semi basic beat, the fills, the rolls, everything in between is figured out the more you play, and once the beat is written, you’re all set. Then it’s muscle memory.
Jay is a beast. Unsainted is, 100% SURE, one of the best Slipknot songs.
Edit: after watched the video I'm back to recommend you another two shots: 1) the Joey Jordison's drum solo from Disasterpieces DVD, and the Eyeless' drum intro. Enjoy.
Another good one is Ben from Whitechapel playing "Our Endless War" live. Its another drum cam video with great audio. Another awesome drummer with fantastic drumming and fills. Impressive speed and clarity.
Lol Jon Lomgstreth is much better
Im a drummer, i wear underarmour running shoes, tied tight. When it comes to drumming, you constantly have to view where youre gonna be moving in 5 or 10 moves. Also, the reason its that fast on the snare and toms is stick bounce. If you do it the right way, you can get 2 or 3 bounces off of 1 hit. Hence, the drumroll. When it comes to the blast beat, its about bouncing the sticks with your middle and ring fingers, or ring and pinky fingers.
@Alex Hefner as a drummer myself it is mostly muscle memory and also their is a chance if you play for maybe 4 to 5 hours in practice.