We all need a Mike in our lives. "I can't do the thing!" "I think you can do the thing." "I can't do the thing!" "I think you can. Just try again." . . . "I did the thing!" "I knew you could."
Mike is a great friend. James gets frustrated, and looks like he wants to give up a couple of times, Mike keeps encouraging him to not to feel like he can't do it and believed he could do it. And look what happened. Great job James, and great job Mike for helping James have the confidence he needed with this.
My jaw literally dropped when James got through the part at the end flawlessly. Well done James! And Mike, you are a very good friend. Those reactions were awesome.
How fucking great it is to be able to be so sincere, showing everyone your weaknesses, sharing a triumph with the whole world on the internet. Wow. Wow.
The sound of you guys squeezing the controller so familiar... even that sound gives me the feel of nostalgia. And daamn those NES controllers were sturdy, they could take a beating.
Canglaturations! This level is happy end. Thank you. Being the wise and courageour nerd that you are you feel strongeth welling. in your body return to starting point. Challenge again!
Mike is a good teacher, I mean even when you're fucking up or you're doubting yourself he's right there telling you ya can do it, just take one more shot and shit, what a gent.
I was just thinking that! Mike is trying to make James feel better all throughout the video, even when it seems like he won't pass the stage. Focusing on what went well, rather than what didn't. That's a good teacher and a good friend, right there!
Luke Carroll Seems like Mike gives really good advice. I like his "Sometimes you're just gonna fucking die" bit about how the rats still kill him even though he's fought them a hundred times.
Kodaishinigami He's 100% right. It's like how you can get so good at Dark Souls that you can take down any boss without much effort and then you get torn apart by a horde of Hollows.
I've made it to stage 11 of battletoads, never passed it once, even with game genie infinite lives. Then blood borne I jumped into it trying a no level run average stats character, and I got torn up badly, and what gets me for that is the loading time and my impatience gets me killed, so I stopped playing. May try it again soon enough tho.
This is one of the best J&MMs, since there is so much build up and such a great pay off at the end. James' reaction when he finally beats the level is pure catharsis.
Oh my God, he did it! James did it! He never gave up! Now THAT is what I call an awesome, pulse-pounding video right there! Just as good as any Angry Video Game Nerd episode, in my opinion. Watching Mike train James, and watching James slowly and surely improve, and then COMPLETE the part that was giving him trouble, and THEN to actually beat the level itself...wow. That was so awesome to watch. My heart was in my chest the whole time!
I believe I can tell you exactly what you were doing wrong, if you're interested. Every time you died, I could identify one of three reasons for it: 1- You pushed down on the d-pad. Mike mentioned pushing up, but pushing down can be just as deadly (if not more so), as it's actually possible to go out of bounds during jumps -- so you were literally landing on the rocks below the platform, rather than on the platform itself. 2- You didn't QUITE land on the platform. Several of the times you died, you wound up JUST SHY of the platform -- another millimeter to the right and you would've landed successfully. The platforms aren't as large as they look, especially as you approach the top of them -- what looks like perspective is actually treated as physical design, so the platforms are longer on the bottom than they are on the top. Therefore, the closer to the top you are, the less area you have to land on (and jump from). 3- Your jump didn't register. This is similar to point 2 -- if you press the jump button a split second too late (i.e. after you've already officially ridden off the edge of the platform), then as far as the game is concerned, you just plain didn't jump at all. You seemed to think you did a few times, but I believe that was just you steering up, as opposed to actually rising in the air. The key to passing that part of the Turbo Tunnel is paying careful attention to your shadow -- if you don't see your shadow when you "land" on the platform, that means either you were too far to the left or too far down, thus not actually landing on the platform at all. Additionally, you need to make sure that when you land, you leave yourself enough space to jump again before the platform auto-scrolls off the screen. If you don't, you'll just ride right off the edge and die no matter what -- there's no recovery from that.
ofirharlev Having trouble, yes, but James is a good gamer. Beating Castlevania convinced me of that. You can't measure how good someone is at video games by using Turbo Tunnels, that's a bit unfair.
Sygmus6 naaah, bro! I've been watching a ton of James&Mike vids to see that James has some really poor difficulties in certain parts. granted, they obviously were high as f**k in this, but still
Mike is such a good friend, I love how he keep saying that he believed James could do it and he was always confident, I really think they're both such nice friends. Good job James, congrats!
I've never spent quite enough time with Battletoads to be great at it, and I've never gotten past the "turbo tunnel" stage. It's definitely tough, but I think I could do it, if I spent more time with the game... I think seeing this has given me inspiration to try it again soon. ~ 20:40 I love James's :O face, haha!
Congraturation. This story is happy end. Thank you. Being the wise and courageour knight that you are you feel strongth welling in your body. Return to the starting point and try again!
I used to think Mike was overbearing. But over time I learned that he's the strategic lynch pin for a lot of these videos. Especially the timing based games. I could never beat those games growing up cause I wasn't serious when playing. Now I realize the challenge is healthy. And being serious can be fun.
Poor James. I've never seem him look so discouraged while playing a game. At least he beat it in the end, though. The thing about the part that he was always getting screwed on is that the way the platforms look, where the lower parts appear wider and the higher parts appear smaller, is actually accurate to how they are. If you're high up, you're more likely to miss the platform because your landing room is smaller. James kept accidentally doing that to himself because he kept either staying in the middle or unintentionally moving up to where the platform is very narrow. If you move down, your landing room is a lot bigger to the point where you can just jump from platform to platform without having to move at all.
Omfg the bit where James kept dancing to the pause music as he was (blatantly) not listening to Mike - that was the funniest fucking thing EVER. Poor Mike :(
Battletoads is just one of those things all kids from the 80's need to return to as adults and overcome. We have to be there for each other and give our encouragement and support. "It's just one big shit sandwich, and we've all gotta take a bite". Great work James!
wow, gotta admit better late then never. good job. we finished the turbo tunnel once before so we know the pain and anguish, its truly a marvel to behold. congrats dude, and kudos to Mike for helping you. i love it when friends help each other, unlike the old fighting games when you tried to do a houdoken and your friend who knew it wouldn't tell you lol. see ya
It is so awesome to see James being so insanely happy about beating a level in a game. I can relate to this so much and no matter how many times I watch this it never gets old.
You have no idea how happy I was for James when he beat the level. I have had bosses/levels that became personal hells for a long while, and he satisfaction of actually beating them is so overwhelming. And I know that sometimes you get that... instant of clarity where you don't know how, but you're inspired to the point that, sometimes that has taken you dozens of times and failed miserable every time, at that moment, you just rush through the bastard as if it were nothing. And then you give yourself a beer/refreshment because you damn earned that.
Dude, mike is a good friend to you. The whole video he's nothing but encouraging and supportive, my friends would just be breaking my balls telling me I sucked at the game. You're lucky
@@johnrosie9769 That's true it can be. However it doesn't work that way for everyone. That's why it can be dangerous for people who are receptive to being depressed. Though it is probably more rewarding to overcome it in spite of what people say, like you said.
I've been SCREAMING at my computer this whole time... JAMES KEEPS DRIFTING UPWARDS WHERE THERE IS LESS ROOM TO LAND ON. At least I think theres more room on the lower part of the platform. He just keeps pushing up for no apparent reason. I never had a problem with the turbo tunnel as a kid. It was the most fun I had on the NES.
It's not really about the platforms being narrower at the top - 'cause they're not, it's just perspective. But when you're in the air in Turbo Tunnel you can go "off the rails" - too far to the foreground or background, so you'll actually miss the landing even though your sprite is right on top of the platform.
Scope-Eye video actually the platforms are narrower on the top and wider at the bottom. At the bottom you have a greater landing zone. You can test this by just walking off the edge, you will always notice that you will fall off quicker on the top than if you are at the bottom.
Nikhil Sadalkar Nikjil is right. You have a wider margin for error by going through the manual jumps at the lower edge. The left/right/left/right part is a lot less necessary down there, too. They're having trouble putting it into words - here's how I would explain it: You go right while in the air to "shorten" the jump, and then back left again while you're on the ground to give yourself a little more time for the next jump, and to get back closer to the middle of the screen so you can have more reaction time. Right in air / left on ground / right in air / left on ground (repeat repeat repeat). Lower on screen is easier and requires less precision in the technique.
Scope-Eye video It's supposed to be perspective, but it's not perfect, it is a little narrower near the top (but not as much as it looks like). And no, you can't go 'off the rails' by going up and down, that's bullshit. The main issue is going backward during jumps, that will make you fail almost every time. If you think you've jumped too early, you can save it by going forward, but it shouldn't be necessary. TL;DR: NEVER go backwards mid-jump. It's pretty easy to see James went back every time he fell.
It's frustrating to watch because Mike is intuitively going forward to get far enough to land, but then hitting back so that he does not keep going forward until he's off the screen. When James goes through the floor it is because he is not landing far enough forward, but he also failed to move back after successfully landing a jump so he was moving off the screen. Neither, for some reason, could understand this.
Nice coaching, Mike, and nice reflexes, James. I'm not sure I could ever beat an insanely fast level like that, but this was an awesome example of the power of friendship.
Once you play it enough times, it becomes muscle memory. The hard part is the exclamation mark part, and the walls at the very end that take precise positioning and timing to make sure you don't hit them. I can't tell you have many times I died after that last checkpoint.
I literally clapped unexpectedly when you made that in the end. I've never clapped by surprise before, but watching you beat that level was awesome. Good coaching, Mike and hell yes, James.
Damn it was intense watching James do it the last few times, I'm glad he was finally able to do it. Now him and Mike can teach his daughter how to do it when shes older :D
I just love that as soon as the pause beat appears James cannot resist but to groove to it. I mean, who could? You need superhuman power to be able to resist!
Definitely. Every one has already said it but he pulls too far backwards on the jumps. You can't just hit the edges of the platforms, you need to hit them in the middle. Hug the top of the screen, because the platform is narrower, it helps to pinpoint the landing spots. The wider bottom of the platforms are an illusion, you don't have as much room as you think. Anyway the real challenge is both him and Mike doing the turbo tunnel at the same time.
Actually Issue 25 of Nintendo power did a huge breakdown of Battletoads and showed maps of each level, including the turbo tunnel with step by step images/text to show what to do, although if memory serves the maps didn't show the warps. That was the thing about magazines back in the day, they didn't want to spoil every single thing about the game in one issue. In the issue above they just were helping you beat each level.
LOL! I just keep yelling at the screen, "James! You're jumping too early!" The problem is James is spazzing out instead of watching his position on the platform before jumping to the next.
Mike is a real friend, he gets James tons of times to the same spot to try and try. And he motivates him over a long time. I love this patience. I would quitrage watching someone failing and failing over and over again.
Congraturation! Winner is YOU! As many others...I too have never seen a level after the turbo tunnel. Many if us have been in that same frustrating position of trying and failing. Then, shortly after you beat your demon (multiple jumps), you got in that place. The place where we get lucky, don't know how we did it, and pull shit out of our ass. It is a thing of beauty to capture this moment on film. The excitement of passing wall after wall built up dramatically. The game itself even gets faster and faster. Then, when that final checkpoint was reached, the outpouring of emotions was familiar to us all. (Tear) Relief, happiness, and the satisfaction in knowing there is one less thing standing in your way. In that day, there was one less dragon to be slain.
people might hate me for this, but the turbo tunnel is not as hard as james makes it sound, it's mostly just memorization. wait until you get to volkmire's inferno then come back and say the turbo tunnel is hard. but even volkmire's isn't that hard. battletoads is mostly memorization, the only really super difficult stages are the final stage and that one with the rat chasing you to the bomb... although i was stuck on the elevator shaft for like forever as a kid and i remember rage quitting there. my point is that battletoads is beatable without using cheat codes or game genie or whatever... although i do believe it's impossible on 2 players mode lol.
I heard its a very tough stage but you are probably right it just deals with memorizing. But you gotta remember what James said, he said that he just can't beat it for the life of him. I remember some games where there are areas I can't beat but my friends can. For him, this was his demon and he couldn't figure it out until now! It was an awesome video! I loved the ending!
I can speed play Sonic 1-3, beat Ninja Gaiden, well all the games with no cheats, Actually no game, even the hardest of Indie games has beaten me like the Turbo Tunnel has. It's special, some can do it rather easily but like the last boss in MK3, some of the best gamers get their ass kicked till they see a friend make it simple and spam just right to beat it. I play games on instinct so this level is hard when just memorizing perfect controls feels wrong.
Everyone has a part in a game that they just can't get past for whatever reason - hard or not. Usually just not getting the mechanics of it. For me, for the longest time, I always died on the dragon in Mega Man 2. It's an easy fight, but it took me forever to break through that barrier. It was a mental thing. I would just always end up getting hit and falling off the tiny platform(s).
I'm with you there on the Turbo Tunnel, & to be honest the final stage isn't even the worst. The worst level is hands down stage 11, the Clinger Winger. There's virtually no room for error throughout the stage. And if that weren't enough, when you do reach the finish line you have to... FIGHT THE ELECTRO SPHERE!!!
Gargoyle Man Clinger Winger is hit or miss for me, personally. Sometimes I beat it in one shot, other times it takes ten tries. The electro sphere thing is easy, though. As long as you keep punching when it's coming at you, it doesn't hit you for some reason.
Never played it, so I can't say for sure, but to me it looks like the biggest problem was that James kept undershooting the next platform. I also think there is some form of depth thing where you can fall either behind of before the platform itself. Dunno. But I do know that I'd like to see them try to play the game further on future James & Mike Mondays. :)
Well I can see why he was pressing up, thinking that he was going down and missing the platform. Almost makes me want to play this again and finish it. But that ain't happening.
I threw my hands in the air and shouted "Yes!" When you not only made it to the last section, but when you completed the level itself. Very good job, man!
You shouldn't be touching the D-Pad at all while doing the manual jumps. Just press the jump button at the end of the platform. Once you have the rhythm down it should be okay.
I laughed so hard when you finally beat the turbo tunnel. I rented this game a bunch of times as a kid, beating enemies with the robot guy's leg is inexplicably satisfying. I have also NEVER seen any levels beyond this point. Revisited the game in college on an emulator ...still couldn't beat the turbo tunnel. But for some odd reason, it's still one of the most memorable games from my childhood. You can do it!!!
How do I say this.... or ask this.... I know this is a newer game. But, what do you think of "devil may cry". I only play online games except for this. It's soooo stylish. And fun. I love them. All of them. But I'm totally interested in what you think about them. PPPLLLLEEEEAAASSSSSEEEEEE!!!! 😂
I just played this part. You have to land pretty much in the center of each of those small platforms. You DON"T have to rock the dpad back and forth that much. I made it just by timing the jumps just right.
Yeah that's what I noticed too. Every time he falls down it's because he moves forward then comes back too far. Don't need to rock back and forth. He over corrected his move.
Watching James so this is some of the most riveting content I've seen in a while. I can feel his frustration. I can share it. Holy crap, that ended so perfectly!
14:07 How many virtual Battletoads have lost their lives on this Island hop stretch?..is there a statistic? 50% of the levels mortalities happen here?(The other 50% at the speeding walls towards level end)
I think I got to Stage 12 once. As an adult. And I almost got to the Dark Queen. But as a kid, the Turbo Tunnel was it for me. And I could never really practice the pattern in the 3 days I was able to rent the game from Blockbuster. LOL/SMH
I don't know how but as a kid I beat Battletoads. Eventually. With a game genie. As an adult I just recently played through it on the legit and beat it but it took me many many many many tries.
Never beat the turbo tunnel glad james and mike got more farther than I did when I was 8 in 1992 when I played battle toads didn't know there was a warp in the turbo tunnel
Great job. That damn level was the furthest I ever got in that game too. So watching as you complete it felt rewarding. One day I'll break out the old systems, blow the dust off the cart, and fire it up with the new tips I've gained today. Gratz dude.
Congrats on beating Turbo Tunnel, James. I remember Battletoads being one of the few NES games I couldn't beat as a kid. I managed to memorize and beat Turbo Tunnel with ease, but other levels like the Rat Race would get me, and I'd slowly find myself getting to no continues and having to start over! I actually recently got back to it and managed to beat it (after a few tries and much rage). Still a great game to this day.
I stood up and cheered at the end. Great job, James. Battletoads requires balls of steel, I don't think I've ever even made it through the second stage.
Nice work! Now you need to beat it with 2 players! My buddy and I worked on it for so long and we finally got it, we never beat the game 2 player but we got so damn close. We spent like 5 hours straight trying to beat this damn game and it got us in the end. We haven't gone back since.
This is by far the funniest Mike and James video, the pilot wings video comes close but, you can see the frustration in james face and you are actually into the fucking game, you guys are playing this like its the late 80s or something, great video
Does anybody else think Mike is a really good teacher? He shares in successes, and commiserates with failures; all the while giving concrete information for improvement.
I was able to beat it too back when I was a kid. I played about a year ago and kept messing up at the same part James did. We just cut it off any popped in Double Dragon
We all need a Mike in our lives.
"I can't do the thing!"
"I think you can do the thing."
"I can't do the thing!"
"I think you can. Just try again."
. . .
"I did the thing!"
"I knew you could."
Yes!
How to get james to do something he's having trouble with:
James: I can't do it.
Mike: I think you can.
James: ok
It's so sweet and wholesome lol. I love it!!!?
Mike is a great friend. James gets frustrated, and looks like he wants to give up a couple of times, Mike keeps encouraging him to not to feel like he can't do it and believed he could do it. And look what happened. Great job James, and great job Mike for helping James have the confidence he needed with this.
We should all have a friend like Mike tbh
@@russellcampbell3500yea… and show our pp live stream….
The beauty of seeing a grown man on the verge of tears over an 8-bit game about anthropomorphic toads riding motorcycles in a cave.
I know this comment old as a grandmother but it just made me grin like a opossum.
@@wesleyhempoli5548 Well played. lol
Proud.
@@wesleyhempoli5548 nice
This was very inspiring like watching Rocky
That pause screen beat goes so hard.
wtf is fantano doing here?:3
Any hits made off that beat?
Oh look another stupid youtuber who posts comments everywhere in the hopes that people will look at his channel.
Nice, didn't expect to see you on this channel
This foo needle drop needs to collaborate with mike and james.
My jaw literally dropped when James got through the part at the end flawlessly. Well done James! And Mike, you are a very good friend. Those reactions were awesome.
James is lucky to have a friend like Mike. He's such a cool dude!
@@VideoMeltdown 😂😂
He really is man i wish I had a friend like him
I envy their friendship.
23:19 Is the most genuine emotion I've seen on this channel.
You're so right, that moment was very touching.
Pure unadulterated glee
How fucking great it is to be able to be so sincere, showing everyone your weaknesses, sharing a triumph with the whole world on the internet. Wow. Wow.
+meinerHeld what a time to be alive
+meinerHeld Born too early to explore the galaxy
Born too late to explore the world
Born just in time to show your inner self on the internet
meinerHeld Deus vult!
That joy at the end, it is so rare and can only come from special games but it makes all the frustration and rage worthwhile.
The sound of you guys squeezing the controller so familiar... even that sound gives me the feel of nostalgia. And daamn those NES controllers were sturdy, they could take a beating.
Conglaturation!
You have completed great level.
Now go and rest our heroes!!!
HEY DUDES THANKS,
FOR RESCUING ME.
LET'S GO FOR A BURGER....
HA! HA! HA! HA!
Canglaturations!
This level is happy end.
Thank you.
Being the wise and courageour
nerd that you are you
feel strongeth welling.
in your body
return to starting point.
Challenge again!
A winner is you.
Congraturation!
You sucsess!
Mike in this video is an example of a real friend who helps and ecourages
OMG!! Congrats!!! Mike is a good teacher!! Am I the only one who wants now to beat the turbo tunnel????
Mike is a good teacher, I mean even when you're fucking up or you're doubting yourself he's right there telling you ya can do it, just take one more shot and shit, what a gent.
Also he was willing to fight through the parts up to the tunnel just to help ensure a few extra guys were there!
I was just thinking that! Mike is trying to make James feel better all throughout the video, even when it seems like he won't pass the stage. Focusing on what went well, rather than what didn't. That's a good teacher and a good friend, right there!
Luke Carroll Seems like Mike gives really good advice. I like his "Sometimes you're just gonna fucking die" bit about how the rats still kill him even though he's fought them a hundred times.
Kodaishinigami He's 100% right. It's like how you can get so good at Dark Souls that you can take down any boss without much effort and then you get torn apart by a horde of Hollows.
I've made it to stage 11 of battletoads, never passed it once, even with game genie infinite lives. Then blood borne I jumped into it trying a no level run average stats character, and I got torn up badly, and what gets me for that is the loading time and my impatience gets me killed, so I stopped playing. May try it again soon enough tho.
"I'm just doing it like at lightning speed" - Mike "Modest" Matai 2014
This is one of the best J&MMs, since there is so much build up and such a great pay off at the end. James' reaction when he finally beats the level is pure catharsis.
Oh my God, he did it! James did it! He never gave up! Now THAT is what I call an awesome, pulse-pounding video right there! Just as good as any Angry Video Game Nerd episode, in my opinion. Watching Mike train James, and watching James slowly and surely improve, and then COMPLETE the part that was giving him trouble, and THEN to actually beat the level itself...wow. That was so awesome to watch. My heart was in my chest the whole time!
That moment of pure, unadulterated joy and accomplishment: YOU BEAT THE TURBO TUNNEL!!!
Greatest bromantic moment on TH-cam?
This is awesome. There's nothing better than conquering something that haunted you as a child for years once and for all. Great video.
This has to be the best James and Mike Mondays episode. It's so great. Especially that genuine happiness at the end. From a long time fan :)
I believe I can tell you exactly what you were doing wrong, if you're interested.
Every time you died, I could identify one of three reasons for it:
1- You pushed down on the d-pad. Mike mentioned pushing up, but pushing down can be just as deadly (if not more so), as it's actually possible to go out of bounds during jumps -- so you were literally landing on the rocks below the platform, rather than on the platform itself.
2- You didn't QUITE land on the platform. Several of the times you died, you wound up JUST SHY of the platform -- another millimeter to the right and you would've landed successfully. The platforms aren't as large as they look, especially as you approach the top of them -- what looks like perspective is actually treated as physical design, so the platforms are longer on the bottom than they are on the top. Therefore, the closer to the top you are, the less area you have to land on (and jump from).
3- Your jump didn't register. This is similar to point 2 -- if you press the jump button a split second too late (i.e. after you've already officially ridden off the edge of the platform), then as far as the game is concerned, you just plain didn't jump at all. You seemed to think you did a few times, but I believe that was just you steering up, as opposed to actually rising in the air.
The key to passing that part of the Turbo Tunnel is paying careful attention to your shadow -- if you don't see your shadow when you "land" on the platform, that means either you were too far to the left or too far down, thus not actually landing on the platform at all. Additionally, you need to make sure that when you land, you leave yourself enough space to jump again before the platform auto-scrolls off the screen. If you don't, you'll just ride right off the edge and die no matter what -- there's no recovery from that.
He definitely was pushing down. That was were he was missing, down.
yeah, I also kept thinking that. he's clearly pushing down. it's so obvious you can't help but realize James isn't such a good gamer, actually.
ofirharlev Having trouble, yes, but James is a good gamer. Beating Castlevania convinced me of that. You can't measure how good someone is at video games by using Turbo Tunnels, that's a bit unfair.
Sygmus6
naaah, bro!
I've been watching a ton of James&Mike vids to see that James has some really poor difficulties in certain parts.
granted, they obviously were high as f**k in this, but still
ofirharlev How were they obviously high? Also, you can be really good at some games and really bad at others
James is a perfect example that dreams do come true
Make sure you keep chanting that to yourself the next time you go grocery shopping and see the cashiers.
Wet dreams.
Mike is such a good friend, I love how he keep saying that he believed James could do it and he was always confident, I really think they're both such nice friends. Good job James, congrats!
Such a sweet video, that sincere friendship is the point, he did beat the level, but having that friend, that’s the point of the video.
I actually threw my hands up and screamed.
CONGRATS JAMES! :D
That's because you're a female I guess
Late to the show here, but I did the same!
Even later to the show, but same here. I applauded :')
very late to seeing this but was like YO HE DID IT!
I've never spent quite enough time with Battletoads to be great at it, and I've never gotten past the "turbo tunnel" stage. It's definitely tough, but I think I could do it, if I spent more time with the game... I think seeing this has given me inspiration to try it again soon.
~ 20:40 I love James's :O face, haha!
Congraturation. This story is happy end. Thank you. Being the wise and courageour knight that you are you feel strongth welling in your body. Return to the starting point and try again!
HHAHAHAHAAH That's funny
Thanks for the laugh!
Funniest comment I've read all year.
ROOOOOOOR!
Sammy Sain Dude, do you know it's a joke? It's the ending screen from Ghosts and Goblins.
I used to think Mike was overbearing. But over time I learned that he's the strategic lynch pin for a lot of these videos. Especially the timing based games. I could never beat those games growing up cause I wasn't serious when playing. Now I realize the challenge is healthy. And being serious can be fun.
BEST EPISODE OF JAMES & MIKE PLAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Poor James. I've never seem him look so discouraged while playing a game. At least he beat it in the end, though.
The thing about the part that he was always getting screwed on is that the way the platforms look, where the lower parts appear wider and the higher parts appear smaller, is actually accurate to how they are. If you're high up, you're more likely to miss the platform because your landing room is smaller. James kept accidentally doing that to himself because he kept either staying in the middle or unintentionally moving up to where the platform is very narrow. If you move down, your landing room is a lot bigger to the point where you can just jump from platform to platform without having to move at all.
Omfg the bit where James kept dancing to the pause music as he was (blatantly) not listening to Mike - that was the funniest fucking thing EVER. Poor Mike :(
Is it weird that my eyes got a little bit watery at the end seeing them celebrate that?
billny33 when your playing battletoads you have to focus so much to point of not blinking. It happens me when ever I decide to beat the game again.
Wow, james surpassed what he wanted to do, I need determination like him, Mike is such a cool friend too, edging him to go further and not give up.
Explaining how to piss, step one: "FIRMLY GRASP IT"
If you shake it more than twice, you're playing with it.
Instructions not clear. Piss came out white
Battletoads is just one of those things all kids from the 80's need to return to as adults and overcome. We have to be there for each other and give our encouragement and support. "It's just one big shit sandwich, and we've all gotta take a bite".
Great work James!
wow, gotta admit better late then never. good job. we finished the turbo tunnel once before so we know the pain and anguish, its truly a marvel to behold. congrats dude, and kudos to Mike for helping you. i love it when friends help each other, unlike the old fighting games when you tried to do a houdoken and your friend who knew it wouldn't tell you lol. see ya
To see James struggle and then finally beat the Turbo Tunnel, it's like a victory for all of the little kids in the early 90s who never could.
It is so awesome to see James being so insanely happy about beating a level in a game. I can relate to this so much and no matter how many times I watch this it never gets old.
This is such a triumph.
A genuine Sun Rising moment.
The boy did it. ❤️👍
Great job, guys. The ending made this one special. Congrats James on finally beating it.
That ending! Hands down best AVGN moment ever :P
Thijs Viegers James an Mike..
I wish there were a lot more Mike in this world.
This was a real joy to watch. The sheer joy, pain, frustration all mixed up ending with the sweet release of success. Awesome!
You have no idea how happy I was for James when he beat the level. I have had bosses/levels that became personal hells for a long while, and he satisfaction of actually beating them is so overwhelming. And I know that sometimes you get that... instant of clarity where you don't know how, but you're inspired to the point that, sometimes that has taken you dozens of times and failed miserable every time, at that moment, you just rush through the bastard as if it were nothing. And then you give yourself a beer/refreshment because you damn earned that.
call me weird this was really cute to watch lol ( mike teaching james and being supportive as all hell)
Dude, mike is a good friend to you. The whole video he's nothing but encouraging and supportive, my friends would just be breaking my balls telling me I sucked at the game. You're lucky
I know them feels.
chip chipperson negative reinforcement is also motivating it makes you defiant and believe in yourself to spite those who don't
@@johnrosie9769 That's true it can be. However it doesn't work that way for everyone. That's why it can be dangerous for people who are receptive to being depressed. Though it is probably more rewarding to overcome it in spite of what people say, like you said.
I feel you in slot of ways hahahhaha
I've been SCREAMING at my computer this whole time... JAMES KEEPS DRIFTING UPWARDS WHERE THERE IS LESS ROOM TO LAND ON.
At least I think theres more room on the lower part of the platform. He just keeps pushing up for no apparent reason. I never had a problem with the turbo tunnel as a kid. It was the most fun I had on the NES.
It's not really about the platforms being narrower at the top - 'cause they're not, it's just perspective. But when you're in the air in Turbo Tunnel you can go "off the rails" - too far to the foreground or background, so you'll actually miss the landing even though your sprite is right on top of the platform.
Scope-Eye video actually the platforms are narrower on the top and wider at the bottom. At the bottom you have a greater landing zone. You can test this by just walking off the edge, you will always notice that you will fall off quicker on the top than if you are at the bottom.
Nikhil Sadalkar Nikjil is right. You have a wider margin for error by going through the manual jumps at the lower edge. The left/right/left/right part is a lot less necessary down there, too.
They're having trouble putting it into words - here's how I would explain it:
You go right while in the air to "shorten" the jump, and then back left again while you're on the ground to give yourself a little more time for the next jump, and to get back closer to the middle of the screen so you can have more reaction time.
Right in air / left on ground / right in air / left on ground (repeat repeat repeat). Lower on screen is easier and requires less precision in the technique.
Scope-Eye video
It's supposed to be perspective, but it's not perfect, it is a little narrower near the top (but not as much as it looks like). And no, you can't go 'off the rails' by going up and down, that's bullshit. The main issue is going backward during jumps, that will make you fail almost every time. If you think you've jumped too early, you can save it by going forward, but it shouldn't be necessary.
TL;DR: NEVER go backwards mid-jump. It's pretty easy to see James went back every time he fell.
It's frustrating to watch because Mike is intuitively going forward to get far enough to land, but then hitting back so that he does not keep going forward until he's off the screen.
When James goes through the floor it is because he is not landing far enough forward, but he also failed to move back after successfully landing a jump so he was moving off the screen.
Neither, for some reason, could understand this.
Nice coaching, Mike, and nice reflexes, James. I'm not sure I could ever beat an insanely fast level like that, but this was an awesome example of the power of friendship.
Once you play it enough times, it becomes muscle memory. The hard part is the exclamation mark part, and the walls at the very end that take precise positioning and timing to make sure you don't hit them. I can't tell you have many times I died after that last checkpoint.
I love witnessing you guys overcome daunting obstacles and going the distance that you only very occasionally could savour in the old days of gaming.
I literally clapped unexpectedly when you made that in the end. I've never clapped by surprise before, but watching you beat that level was awesome. Good coaching, Mike and hell yes, James.
I held my smoke in and jumped up out of my chair when you beat it. Like you were some kind basket ball team winning a championship lol. Great video!
Damn it was intense watching James do it the last few times, I'm glad he was finally able to do it. Now him and Mike can teach his daughter how to do it when shes older :D
His reaction to finally doing it is so genuine. Nice job!
I just love that as soon as the pause beat appears James cannot resist but to groove to it. I mean, who could? You need superhuman power to be able to resist!
That was legitimately awesome. I was watching on a tablet battery that was dying so i was already convinced James gave up ...
Epic
This is one of my favorites!!!!!
Definitely. Every one has already said it but he pulls too far backwards on the jumps. You can't just hit the edges of the platforms, you need to hit them in the middle. Hug the top of the screen, because the platform is narrower, it helps to pinpoint the landing spots. The wider bottom of the platforms are an illusion, you don't have as much room as you think.
Anyway the real challenge is both him and Mike doing the turbo tunnel at the same time.
Actually Issue 25 of Nintendo power did a huge breakdown of Battletoads and showed maps of each level, including the turbo tunnel with step by step images/text to show what to do, although if memory serves the maps didn't show the warps. That was the thing about magazines back in the day, they didn't want to spoil every single thing about the game in one issue. In the issue above they just were helping you beat each level.
LOL! I just keep yelling at the screen, "James! You're jumping too early!" The problem is James is spazzing out instead of watching his position on the platform before jumping to the next.
Mike is a real friend, he gets James tons of times to the same spot to try and try. And he motivates him over a long time. I love this patience. I would quitrage watching someone failing and failing over and over again.
i've never seen that 4th level before. i could never beat turbo tunnel without using the warp! congrats!
that crunching noise of the NES controller though...
'Though' what?
TheMrEvilDan .....NOT
Its the sexiest sound on earth.
Sensei Mike!
HOLY SHIT DOOD!! Biggest smile on my face, you DID IT JAMES!!! So proud of ya!
Dude, the face you made when you finished the stage was amasing!
Really enjoyed this one. Thanks for the video!
Congraturation! Winner is YOU!
As many others...I too have never seen a level after the turbo tunnel. Many if us have been in that same frustrating position of trying and failing. Then, shortly after you beat your demon (multiple jumps), you got in that place. The place where we get lucky, don't know how we did it, and pull shit out of our ass. It is a thing of beauty to capture this moment on film. The excitement of passing wall after wall built up dramatically. The game itself even gets faster and faster. Then, when that final checkpoint was reached, the outpouring of emotions was familiar to us all. (Tear) Relief, happiness, and the satisfaction in knowing there is one less thing standing in your way. In that day, there was one less dragon to be slain.
Well done, James! And great teaching, Mike.
people might hate me for this, but the turbo tunnel is not as hard as james makes it sound, it's mostly just memorization.
wait until you get to volkmire's inferno then come back and say the turbo tunnel is hard.
but even volkmire's isn't that hard.
battletoads is mostly memorization, the only really super difficult stages are the final stage and that one with the rat chasing you to the bomb...
although i was stuck on the elevator shaft for like forever as a kid and i remember rage quitting there.
my point is that battletoads is beatable without using cheat codes or game genie or whatever...
although i do believe it's impossible on 2 players mode lol.
I heard its a very tough stage but you are probably right it just deals with memorizing. But you gotta remember what James said, he said that he just can't beat it for the life of him. I remember some games where there are areas I can't beat but my friends can. For him, this was his demon and he couldn't figure it out until now! It was an awesome video! I loved the ending!
I can speed play Sonic 1-3, beat Ninja Gaiden, well all the games with no cheats, Actually no game, even the hardest of Indie games has beaten me like the Turbo Tunnel has. It's special, some can do it rather easily but like the last boss in MK3, some of the best gamers get their ass kicked till they see a friend make it simple and spam just right to beat it. I play games on instinct so this level is hard when just memorizing perfect controls feels wrong.
Everyone has a part in a game that they just can't get past for whatever reason - hard or not. Usually just not getting the mechanics of it. For me, for the longest time, I always died on the dragon in Mega Man 2. It's an easy fight, but it took me forever to break through that barrier. It was a mental thing. I would just always end up getting hit and falling off the tiny platform(s).
I'm with you there on the Turbo Tunnel, & to be honest the final stage isn't even the worst. The worst level is hands down stage 11, the Clinger Winger. There's virtually no room for error throughout the stage. And if that weren't enough, when you do reach the finish line you have to... FIGHT THE ELECTRO SPHERE!!!
Gargoyle Man Clinger Winger is hit or miss for me, personally. Sometimes I beat it in one shot, other times it takes ten tries. The electro sphere thing is easy, though. As long as you keep punching when it's coming at you, it doesn't hit you for some reason.
Never played it, so I can't say for sure, but to me it looks like the biggest problem was that James kept undershooting the next platform. I also think there is some form of depth thing where you can fall either behind of before the platform itself.
Dunno. But I do know that I'd like to see them try to play the game further on future James & Mike Mondays. :)
He was undershooting the platforms.
Well I can see why he was pressing up, thinking that he was going down and missing the platform. Almost makes me want to play this again and finish it. But that ain't happening.
ruekurei88
Playing the game again isn't hard. It's the finishing it that I have trouble with....
This stage was really easy. When those exclamation marks come up you don't have to steer for shit, just jump.
Just beat the Turbo Tunnel for the first time and I have to say, this video helped a ton. Thanks Mike!
I threw my hands in the air and shouted "Yes!" When you not only made it to the last section, but when you completed the level itself. Very good job, man!
The ending to this video = why we play video games.
Oh man. What a great video. Even I stood up and cheered at the end of the video :D
me too... its like.. you did it man, i'm actually proud of you haha
You shouldn't be touching the D-Pad at all while doing the manual jumps. Just press the jump button at the end of the platform. Once you have the rhythm down it should be okay.
I always found it easy to just stay in the bottom because there's more room
I came here to say the same thing. You don't need to use the D-pad!
That was my guess also
I laughed so hard when you finally beat the turbo tunnel. I rented this game a bunch of times as a kid, beating enemies with the robot guy's leg is inexplicably satisfying. I have also NEVER seen any levels beyond this point. Revisited the game in college on an emulator ...still couldn't beat the turbo tunnel. But for some odd reason, it's still one of the most memorable games from my childhood. You can do it!!!
This had me tense AF, and when you finally did it I yelled. haha Congrats James!!! That was awesome!
make a vid about the levels AFTER the turbo tunnel ...
Awesome James & Mike Mondays "Battletoads Turbo Tunnel" Fan Art by Courtney! twitter.com/Dawrina/status/535609044619517952
got the game cant beat it :(
Would you consider reveiwing Pheonix Games for the Playstation 2?
How do I say this.... or ask this.... I know this is a newer game. But, what do you think of "devil may cry". I only play online games except for this. It's soooo stylish. And fun. I love them. All of them. But I'm totally interested in what you think about them. PPPLLLLEEEEAAASSSSSEEEEEE!!!! 😂
sound of the pad crunshing is the best ^^ - did they change it in the genesis version by the way? I don`t think so .. still too hard...but possible.
Spiele-Maschine its possible yes but still hard
I just played this part. You have to land pretty much in the center of each of those small platforms. You DON"T have to rock the dpad back and forth that much. I made it just by timing the jumps just right.
Yeap, he´s just landing early
Yeah that's what I noticed too. Every time he falls down it's because he moves forward then comes back too far. Don't need to rock back and forth. He over corrected his move.
All you have to do is stay all the way back and those jumps are easy.
Watching James so this is some of the most riveting content I've seen in a while. I can feel his frustration. I can share it.
Holy crap, that ended so perfectly!
This is one of the coolest James N'Mike's. Really feels good to see James finally beat the turbo tunnel! Congrats!
14:07 How many virtual Battletoads have lost their lives on this Island hop stretch?..is there a statistic? 50% of the levels mortalities happen here?(The other 50% at the speeding walls towards level end)
Best NES game victory video ever!!
Next you guys should try to beat level 12, The Revolution. It makes the turbo tunnel look like stage 1 of Mario 2.
I think I got to Stage 12 once. As an adult. And I almost got to the Dark Queen. But as a kid, the Turbo Tunnel was it for me. And I could never really practice the pattern in the 3 days I was able to rent the game from Blockbuster. LOL/SMH
I don't know how but as a kid I beat Battletoads. Eventually. With a game genie.
As an adult I just recently played through it on the legit and beat it but it took me many many many many tries.
Ninjamohawk I commend you. Battletoads & Ninja Gaiden (of course) are the two best NES game that I've never beaten.
Never beat the turbo tunnel glad james and mike got more farther than I did when I was 8 in 1992 when I played battle toads didn't know there was a warp in the turbo tunnel
The hardest one is level 11, Clinger Winger.
Great job. That damn level was the furthest I ever got in that game too. So watching as you complete it felt rewarding. One day I'll break out the old systems, blow the dust off the cart, and fire it up with the new tips I've gained today. Gratz dude.
Congrats on beating Turbo Tunnel, James. I remember Battletoads being one of the few NES games I couldn't beat as a kid. I managed to memorize and beat Turbo Tunnel with ease, but other levels like the Rat Race would get me, and I'd slowly find myself getting to no continues and having to start over!
I actually recently got back to it and managed to beat it (after a few tries and much rage). Still a great game to this day.
I can see the problem you are having at those jumps before the last checkpoint, you are under-shooting them; you have to move a little more forward.
I was stuck on this level for 3 years, back in the day.
A 3 year day... holy shit.
N37BU6
I was stuck for a decade in one day before
N37BU6 back in the day is a slang term for a long time ago.
Venom NBK No shit. It was a joke.
N37BU6 a bad one
This video makes me want to take another stab at this game.
I stood up and cheered at the end. Great job, James. Battletoads requires balls of steel, I don't think I've ever even made it through the second stage.
Nice work! Now you need to beat it with 2 players! My buddy and I worked on it for so long and we finally got it, we never beat the game 2 player but we got so damn close. We spent like 5 hours straight trying to beat this damn game and it got us in the end. We haven't gone back since.
That ending was fucking awesome
My fucking god I feel like I'm in that room and my heart is beating 5 times a second but YOU DID IT JAMES!
Love Mike's patience, support, and enthusiasm in this vid.
Kudos, James!
Well done, guys!
Every gamer should watch this video:)
This is by far the funniest Mike and James video, the pilot wings video comes close but, you can see the frustration in james face and you are actually into the fucking game, you guys are playing this like its the late 80s or something, great video
Does anybody else think Mike is a really good teacher? He shares in successes, and commiserates with failures; all the while giving concrete information for improvement.
Am I the only one who never really had a problem with the Turbo Tunnel?
Nope :) , stage 11 with clinger winger is much harder
The one I had problems with was the stage where the dude chases you with a circular saw, on the SNES version.
I was able to beat it too back when I was a kid. I played about a year ago and kept messing up at the same part James did. We just cut it off any popped in Double Dragon
Yes
I never had a problem with this stage, honestly Rat Race is more difficult than Clinger Winger and Turbo Tunnel