The Romanian Vlachs, who are they?
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- Vlach today is used for Eastern Romance speakers outside Romania, and yet Romania cannot escape its own Vlach past, its roots in this enigmatic, mysterious culture, and the wider Balkan sphere of intermixed cultural heritage. In this video, we look at the Vlachs, where they come from, how they are linked together and where the nation of Romania fits into this culture which refuses easily defined borders from the Roman and Dacia past into the the modern era.
00:00 Beginning
00:45 The Term
01:32 Eastern Romance
05:41 Lifestyle
09:52 Vlach Law
13:38 Autonomy
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It is a pleasure to hear Maramureș pronounced with a Welsh accent
Nice one.
@@BenLlywelynyou should visits these ancient regions of Romania, bet you’ll love it. Thanks for the good quality videos😇
@@burnwaleeYou don't even know where did you even come from.
NONE of the names-identities you claim as your own have a meaning in your made up language since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani,Rumuni,Rumi,Romi...Gypsie identity like others that you are trying to rebrande as your own is exactly that a poor attempt to rebrand others identity,historical figures,culture,identity...lands as somehow your own.
Olah is a surname that Gypsies have in Hungary since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani where and are Gypsies whose identity,historical figures and nobility si what you are desperately trying to rebrand as somehow your own Romanian which is a made up identity and state that was invented in late 19th century by Shqiptars whom mixed with various peoples in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire hence the genetic and linguistic connection between Shqiptars and Roumanians and why you have the same Orthodox grave robber identity thieving traditions in which you are trying to rebrand other peoples identity,culture,historical figures...land as they own.
Deutsch-Dutch-Dutchian-Dacian call us Hungarians as German in form of UnGar and not themselves since Ugar,UnGar,InGar,HonGri,VenGri,WanGer ...OnoGuri always refers to Hungarians.
As Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani they are known group with they own history,historical figures...that existed before late 19th century when this made up Romanian identity and state didn't.
The word Transylvania like many other things clearly points that they came from the land beyond Forest-Érdely.
Almost all Romanian settlement names in Székelyföld come from the Hungarian settlement name. So the Romanians had Romanian settlement names, despite the original Romanian name of many Romanian settlement names have changed in the previous 100 years for various reasons. Often to disguise the nationality of the former inhabitants of the locality (the "Magyar" (Hungarian) prefix was removed or changed to "Nagy" (big), but the "Oláh" (Vlach/Romanian) prefix remained on the settlement pair: "Mare” and "Românesc"). The anti-ethnic motivation is also evident in the territorial distribution of the renames: the Carpathian Basin and Dobruja suffered the most.
For example, the Romanians renamed 135 settlements in Kolozs county, while zero settlements were renamed in many old Romanian counties.
In this list, we can see the renamed Romanian settlements by counties:
Megváltoztatott román nyelvű településnevek Románia mai területén - Wikipédia
Regarding Székelyföld it is easy to recognize for us the Hungarian names behind the Romanian place names, because most Romanian names just came from the Hungarian place names.
For example (Hungarian/Romanian names)
Arad/Arad
Várad/Oradea
Kolozsvár/Cluj
Maros/Mures
Marosludas/Ludus
Szeret/Siret
Temesvár/Timisoara
Hunyad/Hunedoara
Segesvár/Sighisoara
Szeben/Sibiu
Szatmár/Satu Mare
Székelyudvarhely/Odorheiu Secuiesc
Medgyes/Medias
Beszterce/Bistrita
Déva/Deva
Zilah/Zalau
Magyarlápos/Targu Lapos
Sepsiszentgyörgy/Sfantu Gheorghe
Lugos/Lugoj
Máramarossziget/Sighetu Marmatie
Nagyszalonta/Salonta
Bethlen/Beclean
Szászsebes/Sebes
Karánsebes/Caransebes
Élesd/Alesd
Szováta/Sovata
Fogaras/Fagaras
Borsa/Borsa
Torda/Turda
Korond/Corund
…
In many of them, I can recognize standard Hungarian words, verbs, nouns, but the Romanian names similar to Hungarian names or there are a shorten form, this way the Romanian versions are meaningless.
@@BenLlywelynOlah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani are Gypsie and not Shepherds.
Are they spread throughout the land ?Yes there many Gypsies in EU.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlax_Romani_people
NONE of the names-identities you claim as your own have a meaning in your made up language since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani,Rumuni,Rumi,Romi...Gypsie identity like others that you are trying to rebrande as your own is exactly that a poor attempt to rebrand others identity,historical figures,culture,identity...lands as somehow your own.
Olah is a surname that Gypsies have in Hungary since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani where and are Gypsies whose identity,historical figures and nobility si what you are desperately trying to rebrand as somehow your own Romanian which is a made up identity and state that was invented in late 19th century by Shqiptars whom mixed with various peoples in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire hence the genetic and linguistic connection between Shqiptars and Roumanians and why you have the same Orthodox grave robber identity thieving traditions in which you are trying to rebrand other peoples identity,culture,historical figures...land as they own.
Deutsch-Dutch-Dutchian-Dacian call us Hungarians as German in form of UnGar and not themselves since Ugar,UnGar,InGar,HonGri,VenGri,WanGer ...OnoGuri always refers to Hungarians.
As Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani they are known group with they own history,historical figures...that existed before late 19th century when this made up Romanian identity and state didn't.
The word Transylvania like many other things clearly points that they came from the land beyond Forest-Érdely.
Almost all Romanian settlement names in Székelyföld come from the Hungarian settlement name. So the Romanians had Romanian settlement names, despite the original Romanian name of many Romanian settlement names have changed in the previous 100 years for various reasons. Often to disguise the nationality of the former inhabitants of the locality (the "Magyar" (Hungarian) prefix was removed or changed to "Nagy" (big), but the "Oláh" (Vlach/Romanian) prefix remained on the settlement pair: "Mare” and "Românesc"). The anti-ethnic motivation is also evident in the territorial distribution of the renames: the Carpathian Basin and Dobruja suffered the most.
For example, the Romanians renamed 135 settlements in Kolozs county, while zero settlements were renamed in many old Romanian counties.
In this list, we can see the renamed Romanian settlements by counties:
Megváltoztatott román nyelvű településnevek Románia mai területén - Wikipédia
Regarding Székelyföld it is easy to recognize for us the Hungarian names behind the Romanian place names, because most Romanian names just came from the Hungarian place names.
For example (Hungarian/Romanian names)
Arad/Arad
Várad/Oradea
Kolozsvár/Cluj
Maros/Mures
Marosludas/Ludus
Szeret/Siret
Temesvár/Timisoara
Hunyad/Hunedoara
Segesvár/Sighisoara
Szeben/Sibiu
Szatmár/Satu Mare
Székelyudvarhely/Odorheiu Secuiesc
Medgyes/Medias
Beszterce/Bistrita
Déva/Deva
Zilah/Zalau
Magyarlápos/Targu Lapos
Sepsiszentgyörgy/Sfantu Gheorghe
Lugos/Lugoj
Máramarossziget/Sighetu Marmatie
Nagyszalonta/Salonta
Bethlen/Beclean
Szászsebes/Sebes
Karánsebes/Caransebes
Élesd/Alesd
Szováta/Sovata
Fogaras/Fagaras
Borsa/Borsa
Torda/Turda
Korond/Corund
…
In many of them, I can recognize standard Hungarian words, verbs, nouns, but the Romanian names similar to Hungarian names or there are a shorten form, this way the Romanian versions are meaningless.
@@hondacbrification I was just surprised that there was no "Skith" that without their presence it is not possible.😁
Usually mountains divide people, but vlachs conquered the mountains and stayed united. Reflected in the map of Romania.
For Sheepherding peoples, mountains are not the divider between lands, but the central point that unites lowlands for grazing
Zyzzy...< the vlach's never ever occupied any teritory by themself , you are just like the sclaves - slavs , not dominant peoples , race . Any " romanian " history " teritory shows , that all the times , every times , only with someone else help ! This happened in the first world war too ! Without antant help , would still only " walachia " maybe cooperation with the bigger moldova , or united , as was for short time in history . But , what is artificial , won't last in history ! It will be falling a part , just like jugoslavia , czehslovakia , ukraine . This countries made up artificially , and will falling in parts , soonor later . Etc...
@@wallachia4797 Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani are Gypsie and not Shepherds.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlax_Romani_people
NONE of the names-identities you claim as your own have a meaning in your made up language since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani,Rumuni,Rumi,Romi...Gypsie identity like others that you are trying to rebrande as your own is exactly that a poor attempt to rebrand others identity,historical figures,culture,identity...lands as somehow your own.
Olah is a surname that Gypsies have in Hungary since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani where and are Gypsies whose identity,historical figures and nobility si what you are desperately trying to rebrand as somehow your own Romanian which is a made up identity and state that was invented in late 19th century by Shqiptars whom mixed with various peoples in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire hence the genetic and linguistic connection between Shqiptars and Roumanians and why you have the same Orthodox grave robber identity thieving traditions in which you are trying to rebrand other peoples identity,culture,historical figures...land as they own.
Deutsch-Dutch-Dutchian-Dacian call us Hungarians as German in form of UnGar and not themselves since Ugar,UnGar,InGar,HonGri,VenGri,WanGer ...OnoGuri always refers to Hungarians.
As Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani they are known group with they own history,historical figures...that existed before late 19th century when this made up Romanian identity and state didn't.
The word Transylvania like many other things clearly points that they came from the land beyond Forest-Érdely.
Almost all Romanian settlement names in Székelyföld come from the Hungarian settlement name. So the Romanians had Romanian settlement names, despite the original Romanian name of many Romanian settlement names have changed in the previous 100 years for various reasons. Often to disguise the nationality of the former inhabitants of the locality (the "Magyar" (Hungarian) prefix was removed or changed to "Nagy" (big), but the "Oláh" (Vlach/Romanian) prefix remained on the settlement pair: "Mare” and "Românesc"). The anti-ethnic motivation is also evident in the territorial distribution of the renames: the Carpathian Basin and Dobruja suffered the most.
For example, the Romanians renamed 135 settlements in Kolozs county, while zero settlements were renamed in many old Romanian counties.
In this list, we can see the renamed Romanian settlements by counties:
Megváltoztatott román nyelvű településnevek Románia mai területén - Wikipédia
Regarding Székelyföld it is easy to recognize for us the Hungarian names behind the Romanian place names, because most Romanian names just came from the Hungarian place names.
For example (Hungarian/Romanian names)
Arad/Arad
Várad/Oradea
Kolozsvár/Cluj
Maros/Mures
Marosludas/Ludus
Szeret/Siret
Temesvár/Timisoara
Hunyad/Hunedoara
Segesvár/Sighisoara
Szeben/Sibiu
Szatmár/Satu Mare
Székelyudvarhely/Odorheiu Secuiesc
Medgyes/Medias
Beszterce/Bistrita
Déva/Deva
Zilah/Zalau
Magyarlápos/Targu Lapos
Sepsiszentgyörgy/Sfantu Gheorghe
Lugos/Lugoj
Máramarossziget/Sighetu Marmatie
Nagyszalonta/Salonta
Bethlen/Beclean
Szászsebes/Sebes
Karánsebes/Caransebes
Élesd/Alesd
Szováta/Sovata
Fogaras/Fagaras
Borsa/Borsa
Torda/Turda
Korond/Corund
…
In many of them, I can recognize standard Hungarian words, verbs, nouns, but the Romanian names similar to Hungarian names or there are a shorten form, this way the Romanian versions are meaningless.
@@hondacbrification Bro go back to Quora
@@wallachia4797 I am not your Bro and stop being a grave robber identity thieves for its disgusting what your kind is doing.
Thank you, from a Vlach from Serbia!
Come back to motherland.
@@ciudat105Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani are Gypsie and not Shepherds.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlax_Romani_people
Skoro sam krenuo da učim istoriju Srbije i Balkana, vi ste mi baš prirasli srcu kao narod. Pozdrav iz Beograda!
@@ciudat105 Bro, it’s impossible to shake of centuries of Serbian influence! I’m Serbian to the core, even if my mother’s language is Valachian! I love my Romanian brothers & sisters, but my nationality is Serbian! I love my country! Greetings!
@@Marko_52 Pozz Marko!
Impressive people! As an Albanian myself, I have the highest degree of respect for Wlachs or as we call them, Vlleh!
Albanian people Are non existibg ethnic grouo..literaly gain nađe by italians for mix or Srba greeks and sicilians Arbanas and few other Kavkaz tribes..free food by serbs in 1960s made baby boom after certain tribes refugee to Serbia..but no factor at all before that..
Mister Ben Llywelyn, i am going to tell you a sad story about vlachs.
Vlachs speak 5 languages that made so called the eastern european languages.These are the languages:
1.Daco-romana called romanian today spread from the tisza river in the west to Nistru river in the east and from the danube river in the sound to the transcarpathia region and south of royal poland( lviv city, ivano-frankovsk)
2.Meglenita or megleno-romana spoken from the danube river to the greek thracia...the most famous meglenitza cities were: xanthi in greece, blagoevgrad in bulgaria.The big number of meglenits people you can find in the history of asan dinasty of bulgaria and the influence of the meglenit language you can find it in the way the bulgarians are using their grammar which is completely different from the serbian or croatian grammar
3.Aromanian language spoken in the region of epirus ,south of albania,north of thessaly and the mountains of north macedonia having its capital in moscopole(voskopoje today in albania).
4.Morlachian language spoken from the north of montenegro, dalmatia and west of bosnia.today only a few villages speack this language,During the croatian history you can find different strong morlachian fortresses in the mountains of dalmatia.The influence of the morlachian language can be seen in the croatian grammar or music.Also all the top of the dalmatian mountains have morlachian names.the most famous name of a mountain in dalmatia is DURMITOR in montenegro which in morlachian language means the "the sleepy one"'.
5.Istro-romanian spoken not only in istria peninsula but also in the south of slovenija and the south of hungary and austria..even in tyrol region
This is the big east romance language family which was not so lucky to survive as west romance language family did.
Why it wasnt so lucky?BECAUSE OF THE UNWRITTEN VLACHIAN LAW: to be a faithfull subject of the state who protect their families and wealth.This law of honor and fidelity of vlachs for the country they lived in and protect them,put them in stupid situations during history: you can see during history family of vlachs killing each other because they were fighting for rivalry states like greece and bulgaria, or greece and serbia or serbia and bulgaria.
Also their vlach wealth atracted much envy and hate which lead to genocide and forced assimilation by the states of the balkan peninsula:
1.the famous genocide of vlachs in 1788 done by albanians when the moscopole capital of aromanians was completly burn and pillaged by the albanian troops of ALI PASA
2.The famous genocide of morlachians done by croatians during history where morlachians from being natives of the land became a 2nd class citizens of the croatian kingdom;this led to completly assimilation and distruction of the morlachian language and culture.they were good to be used as soldiers by the croatian kingdom against turks but when they needed their rights to be respected the same croatian kingdom call them cattle thiefs and treat them as gipsy.
3.the cultural genocide done by greeks and bulgarians during the balkanic wars and WW1 when they forced the local population to fight on the greek side or bulgarian side, vlachs ending up killing each other because they were in the opposed different armies. the closing of romanian schools for the local vlachs where they studied the aromanian language by the greek, serbian or bulgarian ultra nationalistic goverment in 1918-1940
4.the stolen land did by greeks immigrants coming from pontus and smyrna during the greek genocide of 19818 done by turks..back then these immigrants were used by the nationalistic greek goverment to steel land from vlachs and took that land as property..this silent war done against aromanians end it up with a huge migration of vlachs into romanian dobrogea region.
and the act or atrocities done by these states against vlachs still goes on..
even today vlachs in greece dont have the right to speack their language..they are "greek latinophones"...in bulgaria the meglenitza and the aromanian language are gone...all the locals were assimilated and forced to speack bulgarian.....in albania the rich lands of moscopole belongs to albanians now..
The vlachs contribution to the history of the balcanic states are forgotten and erased :
1.the asan dinasty of bulgaria is not meglenitic is bulgarian...every nationalistic bulgarian knows that..even if history says differently
2.the economic contribution of vlachs to the establishement of the national bank of greece or the vlachs heroes who died in different wars for the formation of greek state is erased because all heroes are greek not vlachs.even today the last 15000 vlachs who remained in greece dont have the right to speak their language and have their schoos.is shamefull to speack aromanian in greece.
3.the contribution of morlachs to the culture of croatia is erased because the proud croatians have pure blood and their songs and customs are not inspired by the "dirty morlachs"
4.the vlasin population from the timoc valley in serbia still today don t have romanian churches and orthodox romanian priests because "they dont exist" in the eyes of the nationalistic serbian goverment.
ALL THESE STATES DIDN T SEE IN VLACHS A CULTURAL BRIDGE UNITING THE PEOPLE OF BALKANS..they saw only assimilation, apartheid and forced colonisation or stealing land against the brave vlachs who kept their word and honor in protecting the states where they lived(states who responded during history for vlachs with a politic of genocide and asimilation)
THIS IS THE SAD HISTORY OF VLACHS...NOBODY LEARN THIS SAD STORY IN HISTORY BOOKS BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE HIDDEN.IS A DIRTY PAGE OF HISTORY DONE BY THE ULTRA NATIONALISTIC LITTLE NATION OF THE BALKANS.IT WAS A LONG SILENT GENOCIDE AGAINST VLACH LANGUAGE, HISTORY AND CULTURE.
I AM HALF CAPPADOCIAN GREEK AND HALF ROMANIAN SO I KNOW THE BALKAN HISTORY SO WELL.I AM TELLING THIS SAD STORY BECAUSE THE FORGOTEN PAIN OF THE VLACHS MUST BE TOLD NOT ERASED.THE PEOPLE OF THE BALKAN STATES ARE GUILTY OF THIS TERIBLE GENOCIDE THAT TOOK SO MANNY YEARS AND KILLED AND ASSIMILATED 90% OF THE ROMANIZED NATIVE POPULATION OF THESE REGION.
With respect, laurentiu
Very exact description of the story of the Vlachs Congretulation !
Romania is no better - officially, Vlachs descend from Dacians - which is crap . I don't think a Vlach minority is acknowledge in Romania - they were romanized too .
@@seaman5705 in romania they have tge right to speak their language..they have national gatherings and festivals every year..that is not allowed in balkan countries but us allowed in romania.unfortunately, romania officially recognize aromanian not as a language but as a dialect which in my opinion is wrong...but at least the brave aromanians gave the right to exist to speak their language and show tgeir culture.the aromanian music is a delight in romania.i speak romanian and i understand aromanian and greek...hid bless aromanians for their good heart
@@laurentiupacioglu6555 You don't understand my point . Romanians , in their majority , think that they appeared out of thin air everywhere - from south of Balkans to Poland, Slovakia and up to the Don in Russia . They consider the Balkan Vlachs as being a branch of Romanians , not vice-versa . Somehow , the Dacians transformed in Romanians , nobody can explain how and when .
Myself , I believe that , we Romanians, descend mostly from Vlachs of south of Danube , which crossed the river north , in the same way , they spread up to Greece or other parts . Moldavia, for example , is Vlach-Romanian expansion , in most of it's territory .
None of us is the original Vlachs , but evolution of the romanized latin speaking ,population of the Balkans . You may admit this , but most of the Romanians do not.
You are right , there are no persecutions against Aromanians in Romania , but this does not mean that their origin is not negated in official history .
Right here in this thread I've seen a comment sounding like "come to motherland" - meaning Romanians consider you are split from the mighty Romanian people and land , north of Danube .
Finally, someone explained the truth! Congratulations!
The word "vlachs/wallach/vlaski" is only an exonym for Romanians. The ethnic romanians never called themselves so, only the sorounding nations. They even the land "Valahia/Wallachia/Vallachia/Valasko" the romanians called "Țara Rumânească" and they write it on slavonic/cyrillic alphabet "Цѣра Рꙋмѫнѣскъ", what literally means "the romanian land". See the bukgarian, greek, roman, illyrian and moravian sources. On the other hand you can devide the romanians into Daco-Romanian, Istro-Romanian, Megleno-Romanian, Aromanian and the moravian vlachs. All this romanian groups have the same old romanian languages, same culture, same tradition, same music, same belives, same superstition and same mindset
Enjoying your series on Romanians and Romanian language! Mulțumesc!
I am Romanian, but Romanians have only existed since 1859, when the Danubian Principalities, Moldova and Wallachia, united and decided that the people should be known as "Romanians", a name similar to "Romans". Romanians from Transylvania remained known as Wallachians until 1918 when Transylvania was united with Romania.
The Romanians are the old Dacians who inherited the Latin language, over whom came the Slavs, then other influences - Turks, Bulgarians, Hungarians, etc. who influenced the language, now called Romanian.
Texts of Wallachian origin date only from the 14th century and were written in Slavonic, an old Slavic language used by the Orthodox clergy.
@@stefanbabutiu5145 Romanians have existed since the Vlachs have existed. 'Vlach' is just an exonym used by foreigners, but their endonym has always been 'rumân' or 'român,' and this name was used by all inhabitants of Wallachia, Moldavia, and Transylvania. The theory of Dacian origin is quite recent and gained traction during communism, but Romanians throughout their history have always referred to themselves as Romans, and there is little evidence of what they were before Romanization (probably a mixture of everything, Dacians, Thracians, Illyrians, etc.).
@@stefanbabutiu5145Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani are Gypsie and not Shepherds.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlax_Romani_people
Romanian are a made up identity that didn't existed in the region at all till the 19th century when it was invented whom have no connection to Deutsch-Dutch-Dutchian-Dacian.
@@carlomaionico5440Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani are Gypsie and not Shepherds.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlax_Romani_people
People say Romanian texts are unattested until the 12th-13th centuries. However the same is true about Albanian. So it doesn't necessarily tell us it wasn't there. Illiteracy was very common until modern times.
Still, the lack of Latin placenames is notable, even compared to England. Makes me wonder how long Latin survived in pockets in England.
@@mango2005Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani are Gypsie and not Shepherds.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlax_Romani_people
Alba-Alban are Gál-Gaelic-Gaul people and not Shqiptars.
Ladino speaking Jewish-Jewnanistani-SeaPeople called Greek are a late immigrants from Northern Africa.
The Romanian "Roman" genetic and linguistic element is something that they have inherited from Shqiptars whom have mixed with other groups in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire and so have created this "Romanian" people whose "Roman" genetic element is Jewish-Jewnanistani-SeaPeople linked and so from Northern Africa in origins.
NONE of the names-identities you claim as your own have a meaning in your made up language since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani,Rumuni,Rumi,Romi...Gypsie identity like others that you are trying to rebrande as your own is exactly that a poor attempt to rebrand others identity,historical figures,culture,identity...lands as somehow your own.
Olah is a surname that Gypsies have in Hungary since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani where and are Gypsies whose identity,historical figures and nobility si what you are desperately trying to rebrand as somehow your own Romanian which is a made up identity and state that was invented in late 19th century by Shqiptars whom mixed with various peoples in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire hence the genetic and linguistic connection between Shqiptars and Roumanians and why you have the same Orthodox grave robber identity thieving traditions in which you are trying to rebrand other peoples identity,culture,historical figures...land as they own.
Deutsch-Dutch-Dutchian-Dacian call us Hungarians as German in form of UnGar and not themselves since Ugar,UnGar,InGar,HonGri,VenGri,WanGer ...OnoGuri always refers to Hungarians.
As Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani they are known group with they own history,historical figures...that existed before late 19th century when this made up Romanian identity and state didn't.
The word Transylvania like many other things clearly points that they came from the land beyond Forest-Érdely.
Almost all Romanian settlement names in Székelyföld come from the Hungarian settlement name. So the Romanians had Romanian settlement names, despite the original Romanian name of many Romanian settlement names have changed in the previous 100 years for various reasons. Often to disguise the nationality of the former inhabitants of the locality (the "Magyar" (Hungarian) prefix was removed or changed to "Nagy" (big), but the "Oláh" (Vlach/Romanian) prefix remained on the settlement pair: "Mare” and "Românesc"). The anti-ethnic motivation is also evident in the territorial distribution of the renames: the Carpathian Basin and Dobruja suffered the most.
For example, the Romanians renamed 135 settlements in Kolozs county, while zero settlements were renamed in many old Romanian counties.
In this list, we can see the renamed Romanian settlements by counties:
Megváltoztatott román nyelvű településnevek Románia mai területén - Wikipédia
Regarding Székelyföld it is easy to recognize for us the Hungarian names behind the Romanian place names, because most Romanian names just came from the Hungarian place names.
For example (Hungarian/Romanian names)
Arad/Arad
Várad/Oradea
Kolozsvár/Cluj
Maros/Mures
Marosludas/Ludus
Szeret/Siret
Temesvár/Timisoara
Hunyad/Hunedoara
Segesvár/Sighisoara
Szeben/Sibiu
Szatmár/Satu Mare
Székelyudvarhely/Odorheiu Secuiesc
Medgyes/Medias
Beszterce/Bistrita
Déva/Deva
Zilah/Zalau
Magyarlápos/Targu Lapos
Sepsiszentgyörgy/Sfantu Gheorghe
Lugos/Lugoj
Máramarossziget/Sighetu Marmatie
Nagyszalonta/Salonta
Bethlen/Beclean
Szászsebes/Sebes
Karánsebes/Caransebes
Élesd/Alesd
Szováta/Sovata
Fogaras/Fagaras
Borsa/Borsa
Torda/Turda
Korond/Corund
…
In many of them, I can recognize standard Hungarian words, verbs, nouns, but the Romanian names similar to Hungarian names or there are a shorten form, this way the Romanian versions are meaningless.
@@hondacbrification Hahaha, such a good joke Gábori-Gyspy-Bozgor!!! It literally says on the Wiki page about their language that the term _Vlax_ was coined by a British linguist to identify Gypsies that have slave origin in the Vlach Principalities hence the term _Vlax_ from _Vlach._ Their language was influenced by the Vlach (Romanian) language, but they aren't related: "The language's name Vlax Romani was coined by British scholar Bernard Gilliat-Smith in his 1915 study on Bulgarian Romani, in which he first divided Romani dialects into Vlach and non-Vlach.[4][5] The Vlax Roma, a subgroup of the Romani people that speak the Vlax Romani language, originate from the former Roma slaves in the principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia (with the name "Vlax", which comes from "Vlach", coming from the latter)". Those two people groups aren't related.
But let's talk about the Gábori-Magyar-Gypsies and the true origin of the Magyar-gypsy people from Punjab! This is what Liverpool University has to say about Gábori: "As Hungarian Gypsies, by their murecan origin, these Roma enjoy an image of seriousness and righteousness in the region. Their 'magyarity' has westernised and, in so doing, civilised them." - Martin Olivera, (June 2012). Romani Studies(Vol. 22, Issue .Liverpool University Press (UK)
Magyars are true Gypsies, hence the word "Hungarian" from Greek "Oungroi" that originates from "Gábor-Gypsy":(H)ungarian>Oungroi>Gabori-Gypsies. Also the Balkan exonym to Gábori-Magyar-gypsy culture: "Bozgor" that comes from Oungroi and the latter from from Gábori-Gypsy😊
It is not about the lacking of Romanian texts . It is about the lacking of ANY text mentioning Proto Romanians , Daco-Romans or any "continuators" , north of Danube , after say, 5-6th century . Others around were capable to write , they wrote about every migrator who passed or lived on this territory , but they didn't see the proto-Romanians . One wrote that population spoke the language of the Goths or Huns, other wrote that north of Danube was the land of the Slavs , none spoke about Romanians north of Danube .
And Romanian texts appeared much later . Vlach population appeared in 12-13 century , in a significant number .
@@seaman5705 I don't think you look at it the right way. It is factually correct that let's say ca. 5th - 8th c. nobody mentioned any Latinophone population north of the danube river; however the reason doesn't prove anything, neither for it nor against it. People wrote what they needed at that time, not what somebody needs to know 1,5k years later on TH-cam. Latin speaking Romans were a significant number in the Balkans, and Florin Curtea on the broadcast "Hot News", explained that archeology does in fact show a continuation of a latinophone population after the withdrawal of the Romans from Dacia ca. 271-275 ad. So for a Roman writer to document that north of the danube it existed a Latin speaking population wouldn't happen, for them it was obvious. They barely cared to write that Latin speakers lived north of Jireček line, the only reason they have been mentioned is because they were part of the ERE's political situation. After the Balkans fell to the Sclavenes, Latin speaking people aren't any longer mentioned until 11th century.
Also, the idea that a Latin speaking population still existed north of the danube isn't a controversy any longer in the academic field. We do know that a latinophonic population still remained in Dacia after the Roman withdrawal; the only question as Florin Curtea pointed out is whether they have anything to do with Romanians as we cannot prove such connection just with archeology. We need linguistical proof of a continuum between us and them. Florin Curtea suggests that the Romanian population would have originated from a Christianized Roman population on both side's of the danube.
Eu sunt un român din sudul României (vechea Valahia) de 7ani locuiesc în Innsbruck (Austria) aici este o puternică comunitate de vlahi din Serbia care vorbesc o limba veche românească
Incredibil. Ai înâlnit vreunul din comunitatea asta? Nu sunt oare chiar aromâni sau „machedoni”?
@@Gasmassk Veniti din Serbia!
Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani are Gypsie and not Shepherds.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlax_Romani_people
NONE of the names-identities you claim as your own have a meaning in your made up language since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani,Rumuni,Rumi,Romi...Gypsie identity like others that you are trying to rebrande as your own is exactly that a poor attempt to rebrand others identity,historical figures,culture,identity...lands as somehow your own.
Olah is a surname that Gypsies have in Hungary since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani where and are Gypsies whose identity,historical figures and nobility si what you are desperately trying to rebrand as somehow your own Romanian which is a made up identity and state that was invented in late 19th century by Shqiptars whom mixed with various peoples in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire hence the genetic and linguistic connection between Shqiptars and Roumanians and why you have the same Orthodox grave robber identity thieving traditions in which you are trying to rebrand other peoples identity,culture,historical figures...land as they own.
Deutsch-Dutch-Dutchian-Dacian call us Hungarians as German in form of UnGar and not themselves since Ugar,UnGar,InGar,HonGri,VenGri,WanGer ...OnoGuri always refers to Hungarians.
As Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani they are known group with they own history,historical figures...that existed before late 19th century when this made up Romanian identity and state didn't.
The word Transylvania like many other things clearly points that they came from the land beyond Forest-Érdely.
Almost all Romanian settlement names in Székelyföld come from the Hungarian settlement name. So the Romanians had Romanian settlement names, despite the original Romanian name of many Romanian settlement names have changed in the previous 100 years for various reasons. Often to disguise the nationality of the former inhabitants of the locality (the "Magyar" (Hungarian) prefix was removed or changed to "Nagy" (big), but the "Oláh" (Vlach/Romanian) prefix remained on the settlement pair: "Mare” and "Românesc"). The anti-ethnic motivation is also evident in the territorial distribution of the renames: the Carpathian Basin and Dobruja suffered the most.
For example, the Romanians renamed 135 settlements in Kolozs county, while zero settlements were renamed in many old Romanian counties.
In this list, we can see the renamed Romanian settlements by counties:
Megváltoztatott román nyelvű településnevek Románia mai területén - Wikipédia
Regarding Székelyföld it is easy to recognize for us the Hungarian names behind the Romanian place names, because most Romanian names just came from the Hungarian place names.
For example (Hungarian/Romanian names)
Arad/Arad
Várad/Oradea
Kolozsvár/Cluj
Maros/Mures
Marosludas/Ludus
Szeret/Siret
Temesvár/Timisoara
Hunyad/Hunedoara
Segesvár/Sighisoara
Szeben/Sibiu
Szatmár/Satu Mare
Székelyudvarhely/Odorheiu Secuiesc
Medgyes/Medias
Beszterce/Bistrita
Déva/Deva
Zilah/Zalau
Magyarlápos/Targu Lapos
Sepsiszentgyörgy/Sfantu Gheorghe
Lugos/Lugoj
Máramarossziget/Sighetu Marmatie
Nagyszalonta/Salonta
Bethlen/Beclean
Szászsebes/Sebes
Karánsebes/Caransebes
Élesd/Alesd
Szováta/Sovata
Fogaras/Fagaras
Borsa/Borsa
Torda/Turda
Korond/Corund
…
In many of them, I can recognize standard Hungarian words, verbs, nouns, but the Romanian names similar to Hungarian names or there are a shorten form, this way the Romanian versions are meaningless.
@@hondacbrification even your own source describes these roma people as distinct from vlachs
@@hondacbrification you’re either hungarian or can’t read properly (or both)
A big thank you from an Aromanian/Vlach from North Macedonia living in Serbia. Greetings from Belgrade
Multumesc.
Come back to motherland.
Come back to motherland.
@ciudat105 Our motherland is the whole Balkans. Secondly, don't tell another Vlach brother who and what is his motherland when the first Empire was done south of the danube not north
@@ciudat105 wlach motherland is albania !!!
It is a known registered aspect in Byzantine documents that vlachs called themselves Romans, that before the 10-th century...
15:09 You got it wrong here friend. Vlachs didn't "revolt with Bulgarians to form the Bulgarian Empire". The revolt of 1185 was a purely Vlach revolt, that Bulgarians and Cumans partook in, and they formed the Empire of the Vlachs or "Vlachian Empire" and not a Bulgarian one! It is true that the Asan dynasty which (was the first Vlach dynasty in history), claimed Bulgarian Imperial succession from the Old Bulgarian Empire (681-1018), but that's called a "Translatio Imperii". The Empire was still Vlach, and writers such as Geoffroi de Villehardouin, Henri de Valenciennes, Robert de Clari, Philippe Mouskes, Rashīd al-Dīn, Wiliam de Rubruquis, Bar Hebraeus, Laurentius de Monacis, Innocentius III, Ansbert and Niketas Choniates called it "Kingdom/Empire of Vlachia" between 12th-13th century. Choniates, the Byzantine chronicler and the only source we have on the revolt between 1185-1197 wrote: "When Vlachs were afflicted with the disease of open rebellion, the leaders of this evil being those I cited above, the Emperor marched out against them [spring 1186]. At first, the Vlachs were reluctant and turned away from revolt urged upon them by Peter and Asan, looking askance at the magnitude of the undertaking. To overcome the timidity of their compatriots, the brothers built a house of prayer in the name of the Good Martyr Demetrios."
He clearly writes the revolt was a Vlach one, of course Bulgarians later on partook in it but in no major battle. All the important battles were done by an army of Vlacho-Cumans. He also makes it clear that Peter and Asan were of the same origin as the Vlachs, (they became later Emperors of the Empire) and that Belgun-Asan spoke in the Vlach language with a captive priest.
Also about Dobromir Criș (Chrysos) who ruled his Autonomous Vlach Principality between 1196-1202, was not the only ruler in modern FYROM. After his death in 1202, Strez a member of the Vlach imperial dynasty was given his lands by Tsar Kaloyan (called "the Vlach" by writers). And when Borilă usurped the imperial throne, Strez revolted against him and expanded the Principality from Skopje (Vlach: Scopia) all the way to Greek region of Macedonia to the Aegean Sea with the Capital of the Vlach fortress of Prosakos. Between 12th - 13th c. Vlachs had 5 major revolts, 1. in 1066 created by the Vlachs in Thessaly, 2. the one in 1185 that formed the first Vlach Empire, 3. by a Vlach boyar of the Empire called Ivancu, 4. By Dobromir Criș and 5. By Strez.
There were indeed several, and each of them worth a video of their own.
@@BenLlywelyn Glad to hear. But I hope that the Vlach revolt of 1185 wouldn't see the Bulgarian bs. I recommend you to read Robert Lee Wolff's article on this, he is a 20th century American Historian who looks on it objectively👍🏻
You are wrong and you putting even more salt on the wound.
@GholaTleilaxu You haven't been able to bring any arguments on why I am wrong. What you stated is an opinion not a fact as long as you haven't shown why that's the case. I only stated what sources say and an American scholar. You can't call the written sources from that time "wrong" lmao
Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani are Gypsie and not Shepherds.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlax_Romani_people
NONE of the names-identities you claim as your own have a meaning in your made up language since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani,Rumuni,Rumi,Romi...Gypsie identity like others that you are trying to rebrande as your own is exactly that a poor attempt to rebrand others identity,historical figures,culture,identity...lands as somehow your own.
Olah is a surname that Gypsies have in Hungary since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani where and are Gypsies whose identity,historical figures and nobility si what you are desperately trying to rebrand as somehow your own Romanian which is a made up identity and state that was invented in late 19th century by Shqiptars whom mixed with various peoples in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire hence the genetic and linguistic connection between Shqiptars and Roumanians and why you have the same Orthodox grave robber identity thieving traditions in which you are trying to rebrand other peoples identity,culture,historical figures...land as they own.
Deutsch-Dutch-Dutchian-Dacian call us Hungarians as German in form of UnGar and not themselves since Ugar,UnGar,InGar,HonGri,VenGri,WanGer ...OnoGuri always refers to Hungarians.
As Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani they are known group with they own history,historical figures...that existed before late 19th century when this made up Romanian identity and state didn't.
The word Transylvania like many other things clearly points that they came from the land beyond Forest-Érdely.
Almost all Romanian settlement names in Székelyföld come from the Hungarian settlement name. So the Romanians had Romanian settlement names, despite the original Romanian name of many Romanian settlement names have changed in the previous 100 years for various reasons. Often to disguise the nationality of the former inhabitants of the locality (the "Magyar" (Hungarian) prefix was removed or changed to "Nagy" (big), but the "Oláh" (Vlach/Romanian) prefix remained on the settlement pair: "Mare” and "Românesc"). The anti-ethnic motivation is also evident in the territorial distribution of the renames: the Carpathian Basin and Dobruja suffered the most.
For example, the Romanians renamed 135 settlements in Kolozs county, while zero settlements were renamed in many old Romanian counties.
In this list, we can see the renamed Romanian settlements by counties:
Megváltoztatott román nyelvű településnevek Románia mai területén - Wikipédia
Regarding Székelyföld it is easy to recognize for us the Hungarian names behind the Romanian place names, because most Romanian names just came from the Hungarian place names.
For example (Hungarian/Romanian names)
Arad/Arad
Várad/Oradea
Kolozsvár/Cluj
Maros/Mures
Marosludas/Ludus
Szeret/Siret
Temesvár/Timisoara
Hunyad/Hunedoara
Segesvár/Sighisoara
Szeben/Sibiu
Szatmár/Satu Mare
Székelyudvarhely/Odorheiu Secuiesc
Medgyes/Medias
Beszterce/Bistrita
Déva/Deva
Zilah/Zalau
Magyarlápos/Targu Lapos
Sepsiszentgyörgy/Sfantu Gheorghe
Lugos/Lugoj
Máramarossziget/Sighetu Marmatie
Nagyszalonta/Salonta
Bethlen/Beclean
Szászsebes/Sebes
Karánsebes/Caransebes
Élesd/Alesd
Szováta/Sovata
Fogaras/Fagaras
Borsa/Borsa
Torda/Turda
Korond/Corund
…
In many of them, I can recognize standard Hungarian words, verbs, nouns, but the Romanian names similar to Hungarian names or there are a shorten form, this way the Romanian versions are meaningless.
Love this topic 💕
Greetings from Belgrade, Serbia
Thank you
Well done my friend! Quite a journey you took us through !
Thank you.
You had me at Vlach tax avoidance. It was us, it all tracks.
🤣🤣🤣
Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani are Gypsie and not Shepherds.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlax_Romani_people
NONE of the names-identities you claim as your own have a meaning in your made up language since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani,Rumuni,Rumi,Romi...Gypsie identity like others that you are trying to rebrande as your own is exactly that a poor attempt to rebrand others identity,historical figures,culture,identity...lands as somehow your own.
Olah is a surname that Gypsies have in Hungary since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani where and are Gypsies whose identity,historical figures and nobility si what you are desperately trying to rebrand as somehow your own Romanian which is a made up identity and state that was invented in late 19th century by Shqiptars whom mixed with various peoples in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire hence the genetic and linguistic connection between Shqiptars and Roumanians and why you have the same Orthodox grave robber identity thieving traditions in which you are trying to rebrand other peoples identity,culture,historical figures...land as they own.
Deutsch-Dutch-Dutchian-Dacian call us Hungarians as German in form of UnGar and not themselves since Ugar,UnGar,InGar,HonGri,VenGri,WanGer ...OnoGuri always refers to Hungarians.
As Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani they are known group with they own history,historical figures...that existed before late 19th century when this made up Romanian identity and state didn't.
The word Transylvania like many other things clearly points that they came from the land beyond Forest-Érdely.
Almost all Romanian settlement names in Székelyföld come from the Hungarian settlement name. So the Romanians had Romanian settlement names, despite the original Romanian name of many Romanian settlement names have changed in the previous 100 years for various reasons. Often to disguise the nationality of the former inhabitants of the locality (the "Magyar" (Hungarian) prefix was removed or changed to "Nagy" (big), but the "Oláh" (Vlach/Romanian) prefix remained on the settlement pair: "Mare” and "Românesc"). The anti-ethnic motivation is also evident in the territorial distribution of the renames: the Carpathian Basin and Dobruja suffered the most.
For example, the Romanians renamed 135 settlements in Kolozs county, while zero settlements were renamed in many old Romanian counties.
In this list, we can see the renamed Romanian settlements by counties:
Megváltoztatott román nyelvű településnevek Románia mai területén - Wikipédia
Regarding Székelyföld it is easy to recognize for us the Hungarian names behind the Romanian place names, because most Romanian names just came from the Hungarian place names.
For example (Hungarian/Romanian names)
Arad/Arad
Várad/Oradea
Kolozsvár/Cluj
Maros/Mures
Marosludas/Ludus
Szeret/Siret
Temesvár/Timisoara
Hunyad/Hunedoara
Segesvár/Sighisoara
Szeben/Sibiu
Szatmár/Satu Mare
Székelyudvarhely/Odorheiu Secuiesc
Medgyes/Medias
Beszterce/Bistrita
Déva/Deva
Zilah/Zalau
Magyarlápos/Targu Lapos
Sepsiszentgyörgy/Sfantu Gheorghe
Lugos/Lugoj
Máramarossziget/Sighetu Marmatie
Nagyszalonta/Salonta
Bethlen/Beclean
Szászsebes/Sebes
Karánsebes/Caransebes
Élesd/Alesd
Szováta/Sovata
Fogaras/Fagaras
Borsa/Borsa
Torda/Turda
Korond/Corund
…
In many of them, I can recognize standard Hungarian words, verbs, nouns, but the Romanian names similar to Hungarian names or there are a shorten form, this way the Romanian versions are meaningless.
@@hondacbrification The lie manufactured in the laboratory.
@@CocoSon-we2rg Thats precisely what grave robber identity thieving so called Romanians are.
Olah is a surname that Gypsies have in Hungary since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani where and are Gypsies whose identity,historical figures and nobility si what you are desperately trying to rebrand as somehow your own Romanian which is a made up identity and state that was invented in late 19th century by Shqiptars whom mixed with various peoples in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire hence the genetic and linguistic connection between Shqiptars and Roumanians and why you have the same Orthodox grave robber identity thieving traditions in which you are trying to rebrand other peoples identity,culture,historical figures...land as they own.
@@CocoSon-we2rg Olah is a surname that Gypsies have in Hungary since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani where and are Gypsies whose identity,historical figures and nobility si what you are desperately trying to rebrand as somehow your own Romanian which is a made up identity and state that was invented in late 19th century by Shqiptars whom mixed with various peoples in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire hence the genetic and linguistic connection between Shqiptars and Roumanians and why you have the same Orthodox grave robber identity thieving traditions in which you are trying to rebrand other peoples identity,culture,historical figures...land as they own.
I am a Vlach and I take an interest in the topic and all, but forget all that. It’s the way you talk that gets me 🙂 I am a subscriber now, notifications on, and I will buy you coffee for sure.
Better if you speed up video if cadence is not appealing............
Thank you for joining! Multumesc.
I'm Vlach from east Serbia, nice documentary thanks for bringing up the topic and avernes that we still exist.
Salutare fraților români din Serbia!
Salut fratele @@popacristian2056 toate cele bune
Glad you liked it. Thank you.
The vlachs were proto-romanian shepherds that followed the seasonal migration called transhumance. The name Valachia identifies them ethnically. As for the maghiars, yes they tried to get into Transylvania and brought in the sequills and saxons but only to split the land. They wouldn’t bring more vlachs in a country already inhabited by vlachs. Point being that a pre-societal way of life existed in proto-Romanian lands the same way that Palestine is inhabited by people who reject the idea of a state. What maghiars did was wrong not by modern times but because they can hardly find themselves at home in a country they enslaved for 1000 years. That’s why the vlachs in Bulgaria speak Romanian despite being separated from now Romanian mainland for 18 centuries; same for the ones in Serbia (17 centuries) , Czechia, Croatia, Greece (ever since). In all these countries there is a population with identical customs as Romanians, in some this population speaks a Romanian dialect closer to modern Romanian than Spanish is to Italian. There’s one possible reason they’re called vlachs: same reason for which Ukrainians have hardly any laws even today recognizing the Moldovans as speaking Romanian. I’ll let you draw the conclusion. Enjoy!
Alex...< nonsense you preach , especialy against us , magyars ! Suggesting to learn who were the daha - dac - dacian : scythian people & they teritory as " dacia mare " and now the bug in the " romanien people' s head " romania mare must be the establish the original dacia mare ! " . Etc...
Poate vii si cu niste dovezi ca Transylvania era plina de Vlahi . Si asta vine de la un roman .
Cred ca nu ai priceput nimic din ce a spus Ben asta . Migratia nu s-a intamplat din Romania in Balcani , ci invers .
Vlahii au venit aici si au stat la baza formarii poporului roman . Teritoriul asta nu e endemic pt ei . Povestile de continuitate sunt propaganda nationalista si ajung pana la aberatia ca dacii s-au transformat in Vlahi - o aberatie in scopul cautarii unei identitati proprii si separate pt romani .
Vlahii au venit prima data pe aceste teritorii alungand Slavii care traiau aici - dupa mentiunile lui Nestor . Apoi au fost dispersati la venirea maghiarilor , dar au ramas in zona , ajungand sa dea primii Vlahi consemnati de Anonymous - ca Gelou . Erau minoritate atunci, dar s-au inmultit prin aducerea, venirea , acceptarea a noi Vlahi de la sud de Dunare .
Daca ai ceva dovezi pt aberatiile tale - te ascult .
@@attilatasciko4817 Well , Greater Hungary , waved by all Hungarian revisionists , leaded by that scum named Orban, is no any better .
You should acknowledge that Vlachs were mentioned by Nestor as arriving in this area before Hungarians did - they came from south of Danube . And they were given rights by the Arpadian kings, on a level with the other inhabitants of Transylvania .
Those rights were canceled by Angevine kings, which leaded to a unappropriated rule over Romanians . That rule was shattered in 1919 , after another repulsive politic of Magyarization .
And Romanians became majority in Transylvania , probably after Hungarian defeat and decimation by the Ottomans , when Hungary did not exist anymore for 350 years . Sure a Hungarian elite existed , to dominate the other nationalities , by owning the land and the local decision making . This was weakened by Austrian rule , who confirmed Romanian majority in two censuses at the beginning of 18 century . Since than , Hungarian politic was directed toward forcibly converting the other nationalities , to ensure a majority to justify their rule . This has been rightfully punished after WW1.
@@zolihun4729 You are very wrong . Nestor in Primary Chronicle writes about Vlachs arriving here before Magyars and dislocating Slavs who used to live on these territories . Magyars , at their arrival, dislocated those Vlachs , which were found later by the Magyars while occupying Transylvania - see the dux Gelou, mentioned by Anonymous .
So your history is pretty much as nationalist as the Romanian one . I am not a partisan of the daco-roman continuity , but the Vlachs are our ancestors .
@@attilatasciko4817 ACUM GATA.EU NU DORESC VRAJBA INTRE POPOARE DAR NU INTELEG DE CE NU VRETI SA RECUNOASTETI CA A TI SOSIT IN ANUL 1200 IN CIMPIA PANONICA UNDE DACII PASTEAU ANIMALELE LOR SI VA TI ACIUAT ACOLO DUPA CE A TI MIGRAT PLECIND DIN MONGOLIA ( ACOLO SINT ORIGINELE VOASTRE) SI MAI INTII VA TI OPRIT PE UN TARIM INTRE TURCIA SI IRAN PE O LUNGA PERIOADA SI IATA CA A TI PUS MINA PE CIMPIA PANONICA UNDE SINTETI SI ACUM.SI TOT NU ERATI MULTUMITI A TI APROFITAT DE CREARE A IMPERIULUI AUSTRO-UNGARICO SI A TI SUBJUGAT TRANSILVANIA NOASTRA PINA LA TRATATUL DE LA TRIANON IN 1918/1920 CIND TRANSILVANIA A FOST RESTITUITA ROMINIEI CUM ERA DE FAPT. INCERCATI SA TRAITI IN PACE IN CELE TREI JUDETE UNDE SINTETI O MINORITATE SI MULTUMITI LUI DUMNEZEU CA A TI FOST TRATATI BINE.NOI AM FOST INTODEAUNA UN POPOR PRIMITOR CU ORICE PERSOANA CARE DOREA SA TRAIASCA PE PAMINTUL NOSTRU.SA FITI SANATOSI!!!
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been watching your content for quite a while now. kudos!!
Glad you came back! Multumesc.
The origins and migrations of the Vlachs are a touchy subject because, for a long time, they were never the tellers of their own stories. As in, other people wrote about them.
What is known is that they were what was left of the Latin speakers after the Slavic invasions, and they survived because of the mountains and semi-nomadic way. Were there were mountains, there were Vlach's.
Also, during the XIX century, the nationalist movements in the Balkans, with the use of schools, assimilated the minorities to the state's main culture. A Bulgarian man started identifying with Bulgaria and his brother with Serbia just because of their different schooling. Same thing happened in Romania to the local Slavs.
The Genetical map of the regions shows that Romanian, Hungarians, Serbians, Bulgarians, are the same genetic-people.
Yes, genetically, we are pretty similar, that's why DNA is an important piece of a puzzle. As I stated in a different comment, a cat that barks is still a cat, so language can be misleading if we are following only that path. It's the dominant administrations that shaped the faith of a population. Before the proto-Thracians arrived, there were the Paleolithic Anatolians, most of us here share around 30% genetic pool with them.
Nice video, good editing and set.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for this most beautiful and precious video. Your teachings are as profound as vivid. Such a blessing!
Thank you very much.
In Croatia and Bosnia, the "Serbian" population are actually descendants of Vlachs (Vlasi). They have adopted a Serbian ethnicity, as the the Serbian Orthodox Church preached for centuries that if you are Orthodox, than you must be Serbian. However, DNA studies have showed that they are actually genetically much closer to the other people around them, rather than Serbs in Serbia.
I hear God is vlach also
@@zrikizrikic9126 my god is Romanian
Croatian propaganda.
Thanks Mr. Llywelyn. The Vlachs economic and ethic identity is a profoundly new sense of European history. For me at least.
Very much appreciated. The Vlachs are a whole world within a Balkan sphere that itself is overlooked
Glad you found a new path to explore.
Small addition to the history of vlachs, more precisely aromans that the aroman banker named György Sina (born in Nis, Serbia in 1783) was who financed the first and most well-known bridge in Budapest: the famous Chain-bridge) whose architect was the Englishman Adam Clarck.
Interesting news, I'm sure few people know about it.
Thank you so much for this, I'll have to watch it more than once to grasp all these intricate historical changes, well, at least the gist for my ageing brain:-) I've already given the due thumbs-up and shared.🙏
Thank you very much for your support. It is appreciated. Watching it more than once will help TH-cam promote it I am sure!
@@BenLlywelyn Oh, then I'll be promoting your vids even more than just by sharing, I didn't know that, diolch for explaining as well.
As usual, excelent presentation! Thanks!
Kind of you. Thank you for your return!
Great video!
In Mozart's beautiful opera "Cosi fan tutte" the two officers Guglielmo and Ferrando, as part of an elaborate scheme to prove the fidelity of their respective fiances, pretend to be called away to fight in a war, but instead return disguised as "turchi" or "valacchi" - Turks or Wallachians - but most translations of the original Italian say "Turks or Albanians."
Vlachs are not Albanians but Serbs.
@@Touchedbynature304 As I understand it Vlachs are Romanians and the word comes from the word" Wallachia" which ultimately comes from a Germanic word meaning "foreigner" because that's what Germanic peoples called their non Germanic neighbors like the Welsh in Britain, the Walloons in Belgium and indeed the Wallachians in Romania. Usually they were "romance" peoples leftovers from the Roman empire.
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The vlach, romanians, are the ones that almost killed Napoleon on the Arcole bridge.
The daima soldiers. Dai ma means hit it in romanian, but the french thought they were croats.
It was the cowards of austrohungary that send the romanians to fight with Napoleon.
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From Russia like you???
Thank you! You seem to get better to this topic every time.
A kind word from you. Thank you.
Thank you so much for making a video about my country! I was always curious about this and it’s so interesting to have an unbiased opinion. Mulțumesc
Esti bine venit.
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Hello!
Nice work!
Thank you, Ben, for your accurate analysis done with good knowledge and passion. Our people are more related to one another than many may think.👏🏻
Very kind comment. Thank you.
Ben is back! ❤
Interesting analysis. Greetings from Cluj (Transylvania region).
Transylvania refers to land beyond Forest-Érdely which from where Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani have come from.
@@hondacbrification 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝run far away from here.forget Romania and go in Mongolia
Being Second on ur vid for the first time!!!
Soon you will reach 1st place. Keep at it.
Very solid documentarion. It is just outstanding!
Very kind, thank you.
Vlah is an exhonim from the German Walah ( stranger / foreigner) a word mostly used for romance speaking populations in the Balkans the poles still call Italy Vlahi to this day, and the Anglo saxons used it for the welsh ( Celtic speaking) population of the Uk. This is one of the best channels on TH-cam if you want to learn real history and facts.
This I true that's where Wales gets its name .
_Vlah is an exhonim from the German Walah (stranger/foreigner)_
"At the origin of the name Vlach is the name of a Celtic tribe (volcae), mentioned by Caesar (De bello Gallico. II .24; VII. 7 and 64).
From here, the term passed to the Germans, designating, in Old German, first the neighbors from the south and west (walh = Roman and Romanized Gaul).
The term then has a restriction in the German language, referring only to the inhabitants of the Italic Peninsula ( = Wălscher), without the general meaning having been completely lost, neither in German nor in Germanic languages (e.g. Waliser, Wales, etc.)
As a result of the contacts between "Germany" and "Romania" [Roman Empire], this term was borrowed by the Slavic world, in direct and lasting contact with the German world starting from the 9th century; along with the knowledge of the Roman world, the Germans also transmitted this term to Slavs.
At the very beginning of these permanent German-Slavic contacts, the anonymous biographer of the Apostle of the Slavs, Methodius applies the name "wlach" to the Italians, term obviously received from Germans.
Vlah means, therefore, a foreigner, a non-Slav of the Romance language."
(Adolf Armbruster)
I'm welsh / English/ Australian/ Romany. As a welsh man we have known for as long as I remember that 'Wales ' is old English ( or whatever 😂 ) for foreigner . I have however only just now seen the connection with European word 'vlach' and all its spelling variations, it's absolutely fascinating stuff ! ! I love it . I read somewhere once many moons ago that some of the Roman conscripts who came to Britain were in fact from modern day Romania .....
@@aiziszizis2536 best description ever
Thank you
@@coryparni3620 some romanized Dacian soldiers where station in Deva Vitrix today Chester/ Cheshire I believe (Birdoswald fort) in Cambria there are inscriptions of a Cohorta Dacorum some people even link this to the legend of Arthur as most likely he was Sarmatian Noble under Roman Service by the name Artorius.
Not sure if you’ve seen this but this Polish Etymology vid (with English subtitles) delves into the etymology of Wallachia/Wallonia/Wales/Włochy/Welschland
th-cam.com/video/hgov-FdPdeU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0RYa56RTvsH1IM6T
I haven’t found a better vid than yours on Vlach law, really interesting subject!
I’ve personally been fascinated by the “shepherd culture” impact on the highland Slavic cultures (Góral, Lemko, Rusyn, Boyko, Hutsul - all have specific sheep economy loan words from Vlach migration, and I speculate there was a lot more intermixing than just vocabulary 😅
Wlachs is european pronunciation of slavic word Vlasi,and they are serbian cattle hearders,who has get theirs name from slavic god Veles.And Veles is slavic god protector of the cattle hearders,who is descibed as man wearing cattle hide and cattle head.The Vlasi are videly spread in serbia,bosnia,and dalmatia,becouse serbs has lived there since Vinća civilization,or since 5508BC.By the way,in 19th century one serb has discovered 4470 serbian toponyms world wide,and others has confirmed that europe was full of slavic toponyms before Roman Empire.
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I would like please a video with and about the language I always was very interested into these kind of things and in specially because it’s my language,I miss home so much 😢unfortunately I’m in your country for about 11 years almost ❤you do a great job,I’ve learned a lot from you since you do all this lessons about Romania for which I THANK YOU is very helpful and you explain very well everything 🤗😘🥰
Thank you. Will take some reading! Glad to get you in touch with home.
@@BenLlywelyn Thanks for this one. Yes, a vid about Eastern Romance languages would be nice.
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Very interesting
This was excellent. Thank you for making this. In the future I'd love to see what you can teach us about the Montenegrins, the Bosniaks, and those curiously Muslim Serbs in Novi Pazar. Also why does Herzegovina use a German title? (Herzog)
There are many unanswered questions. Was there a Montenegrin identity/culture prior to Serbization? Was there a Bosniak identity/culture prior to Islamization? What major ethnic groups did modern ethnic groups descend from prior to Slavization? Etc
Islam makes the Western Balkans deeply webbed and complex.
My take as one of the Vlachs/Romanians as one of the Vlachs: We are the direct descendants of Thracians, direct remain of the predecessors of Romanians and all the Roman countries . We had a freedom of rising and living on the beautiful Carphatian mountains range, tending our flocks from Olympus on the south to Polish Carphatians - Lower Silesia "the Vlach country" on the north . After all even Herodotus claimed that we the Thrace were the largest population in the world, after the Inds.
Fiction.Olah is a surname that Gypsies have in Hungary since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani where and are Gypsies whose identity,historical figures and nobility si what you are desperately trying to rebrand as somehow your own Romanian which is a made up identity and state that was invented in late 19th century by Shqiptars whom mixed with various peoples in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire hence the genetic and linguistic connection between Shqiptars and Roumanians and why you have the same Orthodox grave robber identity thieving traditions in which you are trying to rebrand other peoples identity,culture,historical figures...land as they own.
Deutsch-Dutch-Dutchian-Dacian call us Hungarians as German in form of UnGar and not themselves since Ugar,UnGar,InGar,HonGri,VenGri,WanGer ...OnoGuri always refers to Hungarians.
As Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani they are known group with they own history,historical figures...that existed before late 19th century when this made up Romanian identity and state didn't.
The word Transylvania like many other things clearly points that they came from the land beyond Forest-Érdely.
Almost all Romanian settlement names in Székelyföld come from the Hungarian settlement name. So the Romanians had Romanian settlement names, despite the original Romanian name of many Romanian settlement names have changed in the previous 100 years for various reasons. Often to disguise the nationality of the former inhabitants of the locality (the "Magyar" (Hungarian) prefix was removed or changed to "Nagy" (big), but the "Oláh" (Vlach/Romanian) prefix remained on the settlement pair: "Mare” and "Românesc"). The anti-ethnic motivation is also evident in the territorial distribution of the renames: the Carpathian Basin and Dobruja suffered the most.
For example, the Romanians renamed 135 settlements in Kolozs county, while zero settlements were renamed in many old Romanian counties.
In this list, we can see the renamed Romanian settlements by counties:
Megváltoztatott román nyelvű településnevek Románia mai területén - Wikipédia
Regarding Székelyföld it is easy to recognize for us the Hungarian names behind the Romanian place names, because most Romanian names just came from the Hungarian place names.
For example (Hungarian/Romanian names)
Arad/Arad
Várad/Oradea
Kolozsvár/Cluj
Maros/Mures
Marosludas/Ludus
Szeret/Siret
Temesvár/Timisoara
Hunyad/Hunedoara
Segesvár/Sighisoara
Szeben/Sibiu
Szatmár/Satu Mare
Székelyudvarhely/Odorheiu Secuiesc
Medgyes/Medias
Beszterce/Bistrita
Déva/Deva
Zilah/Zalau
Magyarlápos/Targu Lapos
Sepsiszentgyörgy/Sfantu Gheorghe
Lugos/Lugoj
Máramarossziget/Sighetu Marmatie
Nagyszalonta/Salonta
Bethlen/Beclean
Szászsebes/Sebes
Karánsebes/Caransebes
Élesd/Alesd
Szováta/Sovata
Fogaras/Fagaras
Borsa/Borsa
Torda/Turda
Korond/Corund
…
In many of them, I can recognize standard Hungarian words, verbs, nouns, but the Romanian names similar to Hungarian names or there are a shorten form, this way the Romanian versions are meaningless.
can you prove it@@hondacbrification ? And what exactly do you consider fiction from my claims ?
@@damirserbanovic I base my views on actual FACTS and not some Ladino speaking Jewish-Jewnanistani-SeaPeople called "Greek" immigrants claims which is precisely why my comments are deleted since certain group of people hate facts more then anything else.
Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani,Rumuni,Rumi,Romi are Gypsiesy that unlike so called Romanian a late 19th century offshoot of Shqiptars that mixed with various groups in Bulgaria during Ottoman era ....the Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani-Gypsiesactually have they identity,language,historical figures,nobility that predates late 19th century.
The Carpathian Basin got its name after Árpád where Rác is common Hungarian surname from which get the words as GRáci a version of Greec just as Rácian(Russian) just as The Rácian-ThRácian and it's a fact that such names are not connected to Shqiptars-Romanians.
Your stories and claims are based on stories and claims written and told by foreigners that are not even from this continent while I base my views on actual FACTS.The Romaniam "Roman" genetic link came via Shqiptars which is Ladino speaking Jewish-Jewnanistani-SeaPeople related a so called "Greek" a late immigrants from Northern Africa hence predominant haplogroups amongst such people is E1B and J like in Roman case and that's local like a Moroccan is .
@@damirserbanovic Ser-Sir is a title used by English while Ban is a name and title that Croats have used and not Romanians,Shqiptars or other Orthodoxy.
Olah is a surname that Gypsies have in Hungary since Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani where and are Gypsies whose identity,historical figures and nobility si what you are desperately trying to rebrand as somehow your own Romanian which is a made up identity and state that was invented in late 19th century by Shqiptars whom mixed with various peoples in Bulgaria during Ottoman Empire hence the genetic and linguistic connection between Shqiptars and Roumanians and why you have the same Orthodox grave robber identity thieving traditions in which you are trying to rebrand other peoples identity,culture,historical figures...land as they own.
Deutsch-Dutch-Dutchian-Dacian call us Hungarians as German in form of UnGar and not themselves since Ugar,UnGar,InGar,HonGri,VenGri,WanGer ...OnoGuri always refers to Hungarians.
As Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani they are known group with they own history,historical figures...that existed before late 19th century when this made up Romanian identity and state didn't.
The word Transylvania like many other things clearly points that they came from the land beyond Forest-Érdely.
Almost all Romanian settlement names in Székelyföld come from the Hungarian settlement name. So the Romanians had Romanian settlement names, despite the original Romanian name of many Romanian settlement names have changed in the previous 100 years for various reasons. Often to disguise the nationality of the former inhabitants of the locality (the "Magyar" (Hungarian) prefix was removed or changed to "Nagy" (big), but the "Oláh" (Vlach/Romanian) prefix remained on the settlement pair: "Mare” and "Românesc"). The anti-ethnic motivation is also evident in the territorial distribution of the renames: the Carpathian Basin and Dobruja suffered the most.
For example, the Romanians renamed 135 settlements in Kolozs county, while zero settlements were renamed in many old Romanian counties.
In this list, we can see the renamed Romanian settlements by counties:
Megváltoztatott román nyelvű településnevek Románia mai területén - Wikipédia
Regarding Székelyföld it is easy to recognize for us the Hungarian names behind the Romanian place names, because most Romanian names just came from the Hungarian place names.
For example (Hungarian/Romanian names)
Arad/Arad
Várad/Oradea
Kolozsvár/Cluj
Maros/Mures
Marosludas/Ludus
Szeret/Siret
Temesvár/Timisoara
Hunyad/Hunedoara
Segesvár/Sighisoara
Szeben/Sibiu
Szatmár/Satu Mare
Székelyudvarhely/Odorheiu Secuiesc
Medgyes/Medias
Beszterce/Bistrita
Déva/Deva
Zilah/Zalau
Magyarlápos/Targu Lapos
Sepsiszentgyörgy/Sfantu Gheorghe
Lugos/Lugoj
Máramarossziget/Sighetu Marmatie
Nagyszalonta/Salonta
Bethlen/Beclean
Szászsebes/Sebes
Karánsebes/Caransebes
Élesd/Alesd
Szováta/Sovata
Fogaras/Fagaras
Borsa/Borsa
Torda/Turda
Korond/Corund
…
In many of them, I can recognize standard Hungarian words, verbs, nouns, but the Romanian names similar to Hungarian names or there are a shorten form, this way the Romanian versions are meaningless.
The way Jász people where rebranded to Iasi people and somehow Romanian is the way they rebranded everything irrelevantly of basic facts since we know that Jász are the same as Hun-Kun or Cuman-Coman whom in genetic sense is not different from rest of Hungarian-Macar-Scythian that have no Roman genetic or cultural connection nor a connection to Ladino speaking Jewish-Jewnanistani-SeaPeople called Greek a late immigrants from Northern Africa whom simply have rebranded Hungarian King Béla 3rd as they Jewnanistani King Alexios together with the entire Cuman-Coman Byzantine dynasty and everything Hungarian-Macar-Scythian.
@@hondacbrification I understand, Hungarians want to be oldest , wisest with most numbers, Serbians as well but the fact is that we are here, still many many in numbers, and poweful.
One of the best videos on the topic. Great job!
Thank you.
❤ Romanian here! Thank you so much for presenting an excellent short, but dense history of the vlachs. We managed to resist quite a long time in these parts. But like everything on this beautiful earth, it will come to an end. Right now, we are replaced by pakistani, nepalese and other middle eastern people, at an astonishing rate. And I know that we're not alone in that. The western europe already lost the battle and surrender their countries without a fight to the middle eastern. Quite an accomplishment in a very short time, I must say. Our ancestors must be so proud!.....👌😂
Thank you very much for taking the time to comment and watch. Multumesc.
we have the impaller
Fascinating!
Nothern Slovakia was colonized by Valachian colonization. Regions like Kysuce and Orava were settled by pastural valachs. They were quite autonomous, free people. In Czechia side there is city calleed Valasske Mezirici.
Thank you.
The Vlachs of the Western Balkans are the descendants of the Eastern Roman Empire. In the 7th century, the Slavs and Avars decisively invaded, occupying some Balkan provinces of the empire. Migratory Slavs destroyed the Roman cities and by ferocity caused the retreat of the native inhabitants (called Vlachs by the Slavs) into forested or mountainous areas. Bosnia and Herzegovina is a predominantly mountainous state and forested areas cover almost 50% of the territory so this space was a favorable environment for the Vlachs. The Latin language spoken in the Eastern Roman Empire evolved a lot in the Balkans in the early Middle Ages becoming a Neo-Latin language sometimes also called Proto-Romanian. Romanian and Aromanian then evolved from Proto-Romanian. The Vlachs of the Western Balkans spoke a language similar to the Romanian language. The Vlachs were Christians, being descendants of the Eastern Roman Empire where Christianity was the official religion. The great disadvantage of the Vlachs in the Balkans at the time of the Slav invasion was the lack of a church of their own in which their language was used. Thus, through the church, they were Slavized. The oldest document that mentions the Vlachs of Serbia and Herzegovina was given by the jupanal Stefan Nemania around the years 1198-1199. After Slavization, the Vlachs also had to endure Islamization, following the occupation of Bosnia and Herzegovina by the Turks. According to the Croatian historian Nenad Moacanin8, the Bosnian nation is made up of Muslims (the majority being Vlachs), Orthodox (almost all being Vlachs) and Catholics (a most being Vlachs). They have forgotten their mother tongue and speak Serbian.
Serbia was populated in the Middle Ages by Vlachs. Vlachs from northern Serbia are called Romanians and live in Timoc, Banat and Vojvodina. Aromanians still live in the south of Serbia, called Cinciari in Serbian. The main objective of the Serbian nationalists was to replace in the ethnic nomenclature used in Bosnia but also in Serbia, the word Vlach with the word Serbian, promoted since school. The echoes of these campaigns are still felt today in the works of some historians from the countries of the former Yugoslavia, who still I claim that Vlach is a pejorative term. The Vlachs here have no rights whatsoever.
Vlachs used to have their church, but the invaders (Avars and Slavs) were pagan initially and burned down the churches. This happened before the great schism, when there was no Orthodoxy/Catholicism divide - that is why the core religious terms are of Latin origin in Romanian (Dumnezeu - Domine Deus, biserică - basilica, cruce - crux) , while the later liturgical terms are of slavic origin (bodaproste = Bog da prosti = Dumnezeu să te miluiască).
I‘m a Vlach from Serbia, and I can confirm it!
pls read more, even the etruscan are descendents of dacians and vlachians was the term geven to dacian from the otomans . u can not say such a stupidity . where roman empire was formed after they killed the etruscian and named the Etruria Rome
''Vlachs from northern Serbia are called Romanians and live in Timoc''. They are called Vlachs. Romanians live in Vojvodina, and they have their own Orthodox church which is a part if ROC. Cincars are considered a separate ethnic group in Serbia
@@zimskasalamabg The Vlachs in Timoc are called "Vlachs" only by Serbs. But in the Timoc Vlach language, there is no such word like "Vlach"!
They name themselves traditionally in their own language "Rumâni” (old form for Romanians; 100 years ago one could read ”Rumania” on maps).
Their language is perfect Romanian (but old Romanian, without the neologisms entered in the last 200 years in modern Romanian, due to isolation). More - before the term Romania entered circulation, Serbs named Romania - ”Vlashka” ( = the land of Vlachs).
I can provide examples available on TH-cam with such Vlach traditional singers naming themselves in old folk songs as ”Rumâni”.
This makes me proud to be half romanian
The Orthodox Vlachs spread further northward along the Carpathians to the present day territory of Poland, Slovakia, and Czech Republic, and were granted autonomy under the ''Vlach law''.[124]
It would be interesting for you to make a video about the romanian languages and how it evolved from the Dacian and latin languages. How it was spoken in earlyer centuries. And you can take it beyond that and show us the differences between the romanian, vulgar and classic latin, and why not other latin language like franch and Spanish.
The problem with Dacian is there is no attestation that has survived other than a few plant names and people's names
There's no linguistical or cultural proof that we Romanians share any connection to the Dacians. There's nothing left from the Dacian language to prove such connection. But we are descendants of the Romans as we have definite proof to a linguistical evolution from Latin to Romanian.
@@BenLlywelyn You could make a video about East-Romance languages and how they evolved from Balkan-Latin (or "Proto-Romanian")
@@InAeternumRomaMaterthere is a “historian “ in US that says that Romans with Traian killed all Dacians except few of Dacians that were taken as soldiers! So that is the reason Dacia is called today Romania! Because has been completely populated with Romans ! Can you believe this! All kinds of manipulation of history! Did anyone know about Galenus the Emperor that tried to change the Roman Empire name to Dacian Empire, mention by Lactantus! Do any one know that Julius Caesar, Augustus considered themselves Dardanoi, from Dardanele, from part of Thracia, that today is called Thracia, never changed name. Best is to look at places name and find history, many places today are still called Vlahia! History is beautiful if you tell the truth! .
He has a video touching Romanian language origin:
th-cam.com/video/URy16eAc_nE/w-d-xo.html
"sunt valah viteaz, sunt văr cu Vladimirescu, sunt Ștefan, sunt Mihai, sunt român, sunt Eminescu!"
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Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani are Gypsies.
th-cam.com/video/ghk-1gOvWq4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sbSNrm1x7LMh4dDt
@@hondacbrification le igus alup la romani, vlahi, tigani, ...
@@hondacbrification te cauta Vlad Tepes lubrificatule
@@codreanupetronel I don't speak Olah-Vlah-Vlaxi Romani aka Gypsie language
th-cam.com/video/ghk-1gOvWq4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sbSNrm1x7LMh4dDt
Thank you ..!!
You are welcome!
I would love a video about Eastern Romance, Ben.
Interesting that you brought up my island Sardinia. But yes, I see the connection related to pastoralism
Thank you. I now know new things.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
My friends Ukrainian father came from a area of the Ukraine, called Galicia, which is a ancient Celtic name, my friends father called the people of the mountains there, who played the bagpipes , Scotchmen.
I love your videos. You have something from the American male actors from the 1930-1940 era. :) Regarding the Eastern European populations...there are so many complications and so lack of reliable information, that any history course cannot be considered complete or even correct. Especially when we talk about early Medieval times. Thank you!
Thank you. Having a bit of 1930s American Holywood is a great compliment.
@@BenLlywelyn Yes, it was a compliment. I love that era.
'Волоський горіх', 'Orzech wolski' are Ukrainian and Polish for walnut, 'Vlach nut' or 'Walachian nut' in a literal translation.
In USA they studied the walnut DNA and its found to come from the carpathians. Thats why americans call it carpathian walnut.
The famous Chandler walnut of USA has 90% carpathian genes and 10% american black walnut genes.
Walnuts come from Persia but the european ones are from the Carpathian mountains.
@@mihaiilie8808 Interesting. In Russia, walnut is known as Greek nut. Like in the case of turkey it depends on where the nut came from in the particular country. According to Wikipedia Nuc is Romanian for walnut. which sounds to me pretty similar to nux, Nux is Latin for nut. Maybe in some other Slavic countries or in Hungary they call walnut Carpathian Nut, and the tree and the name came to the US with immigrants.
Might be from Carpathian wall nut.
Walnut in English I believe means 'Roman Nut' (Foreign Nut)
@@icannotfinda Actually, that ”Wal-” is from ”Wallachian...”. But not from Romanian. It dates from the times the Germanic tribes were importing such nuts from south, where the Latin-speaking (then Romance-speaking) people were. As opposed to other ”local” nuts.
Thanks a lot.
You are welcome a lot.
Acest domn irlandez,este extraordinar prin prizma studiului sau.Ca si VLAH(Bucharest/Bucuresti),vreau sa multumesc acestui domn,pentru straduinta sa,in CAUTAREA izvoarelor istorice ale poporului din care provin. Multumesc stimate domn!
Nu este Irlandez, ci Britanic din Țara Galilor (Wales)
@@pasaniucdaniel4112 Valah de-al nostru 😁
your delivery with the music in the background reminds me rather of that great masterpiece of recorded poetry 'five denials on merlins grave' by robin williamson
Thank you.
This is a stupid question, romanians are vlachs and vlachs are romanians. Its like German and Deutsche, 2 different appellations for the same thing, in this case people.
Yes. But not stupid.
Like in the Germans case, the affirmation is almost 100% precise.
There are some cases in which vlach = romanian is not true. Aromanians are also named vlachs by their neighbors, but they are not Romanians, except (A) they want to identify as such; OR (B) we consider the term ”Romanian” as a broad term for all Eastern Romance speakers.
Same for Deutsch: not 100% equals German. The form Dutch, from the very same root, means Nederlander / Hollander.
Can you talk about the Medians please
Need to read.
@@BenLlywelyn Need to read what? I have a lot of knowledge on it
@@qpdb840< a hint would be nice of your knowledge of the mead's .
@@attilatasciko4817 an ancient Iranian language with no trace of who they were. All we know is that they existed and became many Iranian languages
You have a very calming voice
I found so interesting and compelling the way you find links between the classic Welsh civilisation and Ro history! They apparently are completely different but Welsh (Galls) went thru these territories in their way towards West in ancient times.
The Vlach migration into nortwestern direction was a seperate migration and culturally influenced Slavic peoples like the Rusyns, Hutsuls,Gorals etc in what is today Ukraine, Poland, Czechia & Slovakia.
What "migration into nortwestern direction"? Do you have any proof for this migration? There was no migration from north to south.
Romanians didn't call themselves vlachs, they called themselves... romanians due to their Roman heritage. And, yes, they assimilated all other populations. The Romanian nation is a part of the Roman Empire legacy.
All around them did.
He said that outsiders did. However the term _Vlach_ was used by the Vlach elites. Take the example of the first Vlach dynasty, House of Asan did use the term.
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Thank you very much.
Cred că ar fi mai obiectiv să urmăriți migrarea populației europene pornind de la harta genetică. Românii, sicilienii și bascii au cel mai vechi ADN pe aceeași teritoriu dintre toate națiunile europene - o spune echipa olandeză care a mers inapoi în timp, studiind fosilele umane.
That was kind of them to give money to the Hungary
CE SPUNE TI DESPRE OPINCA CARE ESTE DEASUPRA PARLAMENTULUI DIN BUDAPESTA CARE A FOST SI CONDUS DE UN ROMAN PE O PERIOADA.
You understood everything backwards, the Istro-Romanians, the Megloromani and the Aromanians are all related to the Romanians. When Hungary conquered Pannonia, several caravans left Pannonia, this fact is it is even shown in a document called: "descriptio Europa Orientale".
Vlachs from the Czech Republic even have in their folklore how they left Trasylvania with 12 caravans. The Vlachs have never called themselves "Vlachs" they have called as "Rumani".
In Transylvania, the Vlachs were so persecuted by Hungary that the Black Prince (Negru Voda) fled from Trasylvania with all its subjects and founded the Vlah (Romanian) Country and Dragusi Voda fled from Maramuresi and founded the Principality of Molova.
In the Romanian countries there was even a department called "UNGURENII" (Hungarians) whose mission was to MANAGE THE INFAX OF THE POPULATION THAT WAS FLEEING FROM HUNGARY,
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He actually listened to my comment!!!
Romanians are called Vlachs by other neighboring peoples for political purposes and not always with clean purposes (that is, with the aim of forcibly distinguishing them from those from Romania and to assimilate them more easily). The Romanians themselves do not call themselves Vlachs. It is the same as in the case of other peoples, for example: Deutchs-Germans, Magyars-Hungarians, Hellenes-Greeks, etc. Even the Romanians from the Balkans are called ,,Armani" - Aromanians in their language , not Vlachs.
Anyway, the term "Vlach" comes from the German "wallach" (some sources say from the Greek) and means "Latin speaker" or ,,Foreigner", as in the case of the Walloons from Belgium or the Welsh from Wales.
In the documents, the name Ungrovlahia was used for medieval Wallachia (due to foreign political influence) BUT in the people the country was called "Tara Romaneasca" meaning Romanian Land". And the people called themselves "Romanian" or "Rumanian" - the old form, not Wallachian.
Even the Moldavians or Transylvanians called themselves "Romanians" in their language.
Moldavians or Transylvanians called themselves "Romanians" in our common language. There was no ”their” language as one different from Romanian : )
Is our, King.Charles. Related to. Vlad. The Impaler???
I was born in, Neath.1963. Thanks for. Being. Herein. 2024.
I am not sure, actually, where Vlad Tepes' line went after him, but I doubt it.
King Charles is 5% Hungarian through his father's side
He keeps three homes in Transylvania.
He visited for three weeks last year.
He, owns property over there. Yes?
One woman of Hungarian decent (that Charles is descendant of) claimed she was a descendant of the Drăculeștii dynasty that Vlad Dracula Țepeș was a member of. Whether she was or not we can't know without a genetic study, but Hungarians usually claimed a connection to Vlach prestigious dynasties such as House of Drăculeștii in order to earn money.
@@BenLlywelyn< " Vlad " Tepes was a KUN , BY RACE !
Thank you
Vlachs(Romanians) are direct decendents of the people who inhabited the land of today called Romania for many thousands of years, do not just assume “they probably came from the balkans” because that is so false, and also they are not just a concentration of vlahs who randomly decided to create a country today called Romania, they were instead the people who inherited the land from their ancestors. Aromenian, megleno-romanian, istro-romanian are dialects of the Romanian (vlah) language. It is because vlahs were the predominant ethnic group in the balkans for thousands of years that today there are many “pockets of them” (as you said) throughout balkans. And a very important thing: The name Vlah does not have even the smalest connection with any celtic tribe or whatever.
I really do not like the drops of assumtions here and there as these are not things anyone can play with. The history of this people and their heritage is something of their own and is one of the most magnificent within the nations of Europe.
Calling Romanians "vlachs" is the same as calling Germans "krauts", an ethnic slur.
Oh no.
@@BenLlywelyn Same as Ἀτσίγγανος. All just innocent nouns and adjectives.
9:07= NICE MAGYAR - SZÉKELY STATUE = THE SUN & BOW SYMBOL : SCYTIAN . ABOVE THE SHAVED ! FACE , ARE THE GRIFF INDÁS SYMBOLISM IN THE CENTER THE 4 LEAFS = WATER , EARTH , FIRE , SUN .
Its not a statue, its a cross, funeral monument that looks like a celtic cross if you could see it entirely.
@@mihaiilie8808< bad picture taker . DOESN'T MATTER ON WHAT IT IS , BUT WHAT IT IS ON IT , WHAT IS SHOWING . If it is from celtic (c= k) kelti -> kel(e)t-i = eastener , won't be survive from that time , not in this hight out of the ground ! If someone didn't robed out yet , everybody would suprising of " celtic tomb " from last century , max two century old . But , the saka huns - székelys have very simular music with the " celt's especialy with 🎻 . Those traditions changing last . Look , where the celt was started in history .
@@attilatasciko4817 Celt is a type of coulture with incineration and burial mounds.
They are the oldest european coulture and they spoke vulgar latin.
Stonehenge, Gobekli Tepe, Plovdiv Tepe.
Celts start under the Black Sea and when the sea is flooded they move into Romania and Bulgaria and also in Turkey.
The sculpted cross is not very old and if you say szekely are celts means they should speak romanian ( vulgar latin).
They are not celts. Hungarians tho have a lot of celt heritage, like Theodoric, wich was celt and has celtic name like the gauls and visigoths.
You have nothing to do with Scythians lol.
Aaaahhh yes a video about the easter romance languages would be great, and a comparison with the western counter-parts, similarity, difference, and how foriegn influence have made the people that are today
Thanks
we know who are the vlachs/walachs or Vlaci, They are getes/daces/Goths/in fact they are celts. Romanians is a fake name changed walachs by the fanariots politic. The getes are a fraction of celts/pelasgian and the language is the old celts. I sugest to read a lot of books to speak abaut gets/goths/celts/gaulois. i sugest to read PELLOUTIER, M PARIS the name of the Wallach, etc.
"Romanians" is a name well attested way BEFORE the phanariotic period. You know nothing.
You are on the subject with this. Except that we like romanian. The romans themselves are celts because the etruscans and the trojans were celts. Vulgar latin speakers.
3:16= In the "rumanian teritory" almost in the middle with grey color , does not deserve a " "transylvanian seklers" , better say & write " székely land " for the languages , not worted to market the word " magyars , or magyar székely's ‽ Etc...
No way in history were the Siculi ahead of the Wallachians. That is physically impossible. It is true that the incorporated Vlachs became part of the work hands of the Siculi, but that doesn’t mean that Terra Siculorum is 100% Siculic.
Szekelys didn't live only in Transylvania.
They also lived in the Pannonian plain and on the Kingdom of Hungary's Western border.
You assimilated them, don't forget.
@@wallachia4797 The Szeklers were moved from Slovakia and grounded in HarCov to defend the eastern border according to the same model as the Hungarians were in the Khazar Empire.
@@CocoSon-we2rg the Siculi moved from Cucuteni culture to Sicilia
@@codreanupetronel Yes, they fit literary. Similarly, Thraks = Thurks, Goths = Geths, Iberians = Bibers. Most likely, there were left Avars or Kabars. They would have spoken a Romance language like the Sicilians, not an agglutinated one.
Funnily enough castrated horse is "wałach" in Polish coming frmo Vlachs who supposedly did this to keep their horses easier to manage on their mountain passes (yup we're diving into folk ethymology a bit here), but Vlachs are still living among Poles in our Mountainious regions, as we have separate villages were "Lachy" (Poles) are living and that would mean, not all highlanders are Lachs. Unless Lachs in this case are Vlachs without "V", but all our present and past neighbours to the east and South East (Turkey for example) call us Lachy/ Lechy (Poland is Lechistan).
I don't know why this amuses me, but it does. Thank you.
The truth is that there are so many interpretations of the word that we no longer know!
9:03= This map is incorrect . "Partium" is a ottoman's used against hungary , aggree by the austrian kaiser , for the other deals in " dunántúl - " pannonia " . PARTIUM NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL PART OF ERDÉLY - "TRANSYLVANIA" , ESPECIALY LANGUAGELY . THE OTHER PROBLEM ON MAP , IN ANY LANGUAGE OR PEOPLE'S VIEW THE HALF OF " LITOVO " (BÁNÁT) & THE HALF OF " SEVERIN " AND NORTH "FARCAS" ( FARKAS ) TERITORY , ALL TRHEE OF THEM THE NORTHERN PARTS MARKINGS . THIS ARE INTERNATIONALY , AND LINGUVISTINGLY NEVER EXISTED BY PROFESIONALS ! Etc...
However the map would have been, you would still have been dissatisfied. We know why.
I think is fair to say we can NOT talk about a roumanian origin without it's slavic heritage :). Now, we don't want to face facts , but slavs were the bigest migratory tribes that came into our teritory around V century., after the aurelian roman retreat.
They restructured political , religious and cultural structures and later they configured the roumanian alphabet. A Few know that for two centuries , we had written in Cyrillic alphabet ( old roumanian language) . At the half of the 19th century, we desperately needed a national identity, so we begin a proces of "relatinization" . However, balcanic regions gave much more influnces than romans during our history. Today, we are having all sorts of cultural stuff from serbs, turkish,ukrainians and bulgarians.
We like to call ourselves "clean latin people" but we know this is not the reality. We can not talk about our origins without the slavic influences. And if you need much more evidences, just take a look over our traditional clotches.
Cunosti istorie cum cunosc eu matematica.
Nu a existat niciodata o "relatinizare" a limbii romane. Mai bine citeste tot articolul de pe wikipedia, nu doar titlul, daca tot vrei sa te informezi de acolo.
Daca nu esti analfabet functional, o sa vezi la ce se refera termenul "relatinizare" de fapt.
Nu a luat nimeni cuvinte cu lopata sa le bage colectiv in capul moldovenilor, muntenilor si transilvanenilor. Ridicol.
you are wrong.relatinization? we never have spoken another language.we added only the modern words that came with industry era.
@@codreanupetronelWe did, we had slavic alphabet for
almost 500 years, as we call it now "the old roumanian" . Why do you think we say "da" just like russians do? There is a link here :)
good video. interesting how they survived in a difficult region without a proper written law and well organised state structure.
Thank you
Transhumance is the procedure done by mountain people to go to the valley and back to the mountains with stocks of sheep
That does not mean people from this territory was never here, we just moved according to the season
Well said that, as much as they both hate to admit it, without Hungary the Vlachs couldn't have established Wallachia and Moldavia, without the Vlachs the Hungarians couldn't have defended their borders. Without the Hungarian written law, it is likely the Vlachs would have made the jump from unwritten law to written law much later, and without Vlachs on the border of the Kingdom of Hungary to fight for Hungary in exchange for not being taxed like a regular Hungarian many Mongol or Tattar invasions would have been much worse, and they were already bad.
Something to build a friendship along the Danube with.
@@BenLlywelyn Este foarte greu pentru ca ei sint : cum se spune in Romania; NARAVUL DIN FIRE NU ARE LECUIRE.
exactly the 2 nations worked together extraordinarily, sad that it changed!
@@orbanaron9794 when?
@@codreanupetronel i guess it went wrong with both HU and RO nationalism increasing from around 1850s. Also Habsburg used the nations against each other to keep the balance somehow. It was not healthy. Romania occupation of Transylvania definitely did not help to solve the hostilities.
Szekely > Vlachs :P
Be nice. Both are fine I'm sure.
dont be rude bro love all countries im a romanian and i like szekeyls and vlachs love, hungary from romania
@@BenLlywelyn the essence of transylvania is diversity and respect. i'm 1/4 transylvanian saxon, lutheran, still speaking the dying old saxon language/dialect a bit, married to a 1/2 hungarian orhodox. and i'm a proud transylvanian, romanian, saxon as my wife is a proud transylvanian, romanian, hungarian. our kids don't even see the boundaries anymore, which is as it should be.
I didnt say I didnt like them :c I like both of them actually , I didnt mean to offend. I just met a lot of really nice Szekelys and I like them a lot, even Dracula was a Szekely in the novel!
Haha, Szekelys are dominated by Vlachs right now and they alone leave their Magyar language to become Romanians (Vlachs)...
Just joking, I like the Szekelys. They helped Michael the Brave in his conquest of Transylvania❤️🛡⚔️
One thing that you failed to mention is that Vlach as a term evolved over time from being an ethnic term to more of a class term of shepherds and border guards. Many Slavs (Croatians, Serbians) followed the Vlach way of life and became shepherds and soldiers because they saw it as a better life than a classic medieval serfdom. Most of the Balkan Vlachs were Slavicized that way, and of course through the Old Church Slavonic language which was the liturgical language in the Balkans at the time.
Wlachs are not romanian people,Wlachs is just european pronunciation of slavic word Vlasi.And Vlasi are cattle hearders from serbia,bosnia,and dalmatia.Who has get theirs name from slavic god Veles,the protector of cattle and cattle hearders.Who is descibed as man wearing cattle hide and cattle head.And Vlasi are mostly serbs,since serbs are oldest people in balkan and europe.
God bless you!
As nowadays Romanian, ancient Geto-Dacian, at the heart of the Thracian people, thank you!
My country is DaciaDacians!not vlachs,blablabla and so!
What if the Vlachs were partially Romanised Dacians?
Haha, veni dacopatul. Strămoșii noștri erau romani, nu "dAcI😵💫"
@@BenLlywelyn Don't bother, he is a dacopath. Soon he is going to claim Dacians colonized Mars. And no, Vlachs would have been descendant of the Roman population of the Balkans whom the latter mixed between Roman colonists and Paleo-Balkanic people. But we are just descendant of the Romans, nothing more nor less.
@@BenLlywelyn< 🤔🤫🫣= NO + NEVER ! -> U R = 😄😆😅🤣😂😝😛😜🤪🤤
@@InAeternumRomaMater< " decentens of the romans " 😂= the roman army was like the french foreing militar legion ! -> they grab & srew your ansisters deeply from behind ! That's how you became romanized ! 😄😆😅🤣😂😝😛😜🤪
The latinised Dacian theory is unlikely in my view. Romans only held onto the territory for little more than a century and abandoned probably bringing any Latin speakers there with them to south of the Danube which is the more likely origin point of Romanians whom migrated north again during the Middle Ages to what is now Romania which was inhabited by Antes slavs.
Agreed.
There is no other nation that threw their own language to the trash can and learned a completely new one in 150 years. Especially after the conquerors [Romans] have withdrawn.
You are looking at it prejudiced. You aren't taking in consideration archeology which proves a successful Romanization in Dacia Traiana. Time doesn't matter, Romans were very preocuppied with assimitating the only Roman province in the territory of Barbaricum. Also archeology shows a continuation of Latinophone population in Dacia Traiana after the Roman withdrawal between 271-275 AD. Whether this latinophone population that remained in the major cities and towns on the Transylvanian Plateu are related to modern Romanians or "the ancestors" can't be proven as we need linguistical proof of a continuation, which unfortunately archeology cannot help with. But one very respected Romanian scholar in the western world, in the name of Florin Curtea, argues that though neither the south origin theory nor the northern theory cannot be proven; it is likely the Proto-Romanians (8th - 13th c.) originated on both side's of the danube river.
@@InAeternumRomaMater oh dear........a romaboo.
The romans are celts, the etruscans are celts and the trojans are really old celts from Turkey.
Getae dacians and thracians are the oldest celts just like the trojans.
They invented the vulgar latin wich then spread to Italy and reached Spain and even Wales.
The thracians are the the oldest european coulture with the oldest city in Europe, Plovdiv wich is older than anything greek, anything egyptian.
They emerged from under the Black Sea when the lake on the bottom was flooded.
The etruscans are celts so does the Trojans and thats why the trojans moved with the etruscans, because they could understand the language.
@@TheM41a Haha, no I am just a Romanian. Not a Dacopath😁
Love the reaction whenever some1 thinks he's insinuating something controversial like "vlachs weren't here first ":))
But, if you like history, you gotta deal with unpleasant truths, its just the way it is. And you need to look from outside perspectives since, lets be real, the history i got tought in school was pure propaganda. Atleast the Romanian history i learnt in middle school was. Nowdays i do look for different sources, and its always nice when some new information gets unearthed either by archeology or simply finding old texts. Yes, i do watch some hungarian channels that deal with history since i want to see it from that side aswell, jsut, peace of advice...dont go to comment section. For some reason , comment section in some videos have the wonderful power of uniting both hungarians and romaninans alike. They unite them into being morrons on both sides:)) Still i see you are doing alot of romania related videos, and you did mention aromanians in this video. id reccomend studying them a bit since they have a really interesting history, and, best of, they still are around today, although in small numbers.
Nice video btw.
Thank you. Identity is a touch subject which people build a sense of self around, and when others have differing thoughts on your identity it can feel like they are attacking you even if they are being nice.
In Albania there are many vlleh. I don’t know if there’s a connection with the word vlla, which means brother in albanian.
Fascinating. I was just talking with a friend about Lake Ohrid. He says it is a beautiful place.
There is a legend about how the ruler of the Maranures region that had a hunting dog called Molda that died in a rived during a hunt , the ruler named the river Moldava, in her honor and so giving the name of that region.
Yes indeed, see my video on Moldavia.
@@BenLlywelyn I just did , I am a little embarrass now, you explain this there. Amazing work on your videos thx a lot.