I must have shut down my computer last night before finishing this comment Tom. First off. Great to see you again. Hmm. The word audiophile in nowadays terms. It has been thrown around the record collecting world for years now. If someone asks me if I am an audiophile nowadays. I usually answer by saying I cannot afford to call myself an audiophile. But when we were started collecting the word had a whole different meaning when it came to buying records. Shops like Acoustic Sounds and Vinyl Gourmet love to use the word. I was laughing when you said the Devo album sleeve weighed five to eight pounds. 😎It seems like so many of these labels throw "audiophile pressing" to make them sound better than they are. Selling purposes. I also agree that when we bought so many new releases in the eighties and nineties they sounded great as they were. Not all of them naturally. But they did not to use any big words to make the pressing sound better than it already did. All records were audiophile records. Well said Tom. Right on point as always~ Rob/Boston
Hiya Rob! Yeah, I think the funny part about the term 'audiophile' is that when it comes to music, the term probably mostly refers to digital music. I wonder if I hadn't grown up with records being the primary sound carrier, and what I was used to, would I be exclusively a digital listener? It would take up less space, and I'd probably have better listening gear. Hmmm... 😆 Cheers! Tom
It's one reason why I am more than perfectly happy with an early or original pressing - the tape was more ALIVE then, and most pressings had a level of competence to them that you didn't need to have a seperate "audiophile" pressing - the original mofi's with their smiley eq did sound good, but that was also during the oil crisis so virgin vinyl plus that eq bump tended them to have an edge. More disappointing is paying for a premium product now and not getting that.
On occasion I get tempted by wanting to hear a marketed-as-audiophile version of a record I have, and nearly - NEARLY - 100% of the time I am disappointed. The Black Sabbath was great. War crimes were committed against Television. I think the best way I can put it is that a lot of 'audiophile' stuff sounds sterile. Too clean. When I see a band live, there is no air between the instruments. They blend, as they should. Cheers! Tom
I remember your take on the Kevin Grey Television and I agreed with you. My version of Freedom Of Choice sounds fine. When it comes to Black Sabbath I don’t think there is a bad version.
While I think it can be interesting to hear a different version of a album, I think it's a weird hobby to *compare* different versions of albums. Really weird. I can understand *having* a bunch of different versions of the same album - I think Henry Rollins is big into this - but comparing notes, decays of strings, etc is out there. To me. I wonder how big the comparison community would be if not for social media. Cheers, Tom
Hey Chris! Yeah, I saw that, I get Ipecac emails but the one track didn't grab me. They're coming to Portland so I might catch that show, but goddamn they are old 🤣 I hope all is well! Cheers, Tom
Tommy the water you are drinking is messin’ w your hear-ing! lol.....I gotcha I hear yea...had a similar situation w a JT mofi sounded like rice crispies.....I cleaned and cleaned blah blah, no luck found a used copy might be a first press? For a great price but the cover was trashed! Henceforth I Frankenstein it w the mofi....I don’t give a crap if I put a $2 record in a $30 something jacket ....peace on Tommy keep it real✊🏻as I know you will- Lis 😎🎶☀️☮️
Hey there Lis! Putting a $2 record in a $30 sleeve IS A GODDAMN BOSS MOVE!!! I love when people, think and act outside the box. There too many followers out there and not enough free-thinkers. Keep on keepin' on! Cheers, Tommy
I was just thinking about this topic! Also back in the day, no one cared about your turntable nor your cartridge nor your cleaning method, etc.; it was somewhat more about taste/genres, I guess. When something is mainstream (as records were back then), there's less nit-picking among nutjobs. Now that it's niche, here we are.
That's a great point about it being niche now hence the nitpicking. Hadn't thought about it that way, but that makes sense. I do think that a lot of new records sound bad compared to what I grew up with. I don't sense that I'm picky about sound - though maybe I am - but if something sounds glaringly wrong it just snaps me out of the moment and I disconnect from the music. A flaw in myself, I know. Cheers! Tom
@@highrantdistrict But you're right, they're bad! Everything you said is exactly how I view modern-day pressings; honestly and IMHO they're nothing more than a tacky, novelty souvenir from a bygone era produced solely for "time tourists." But... I still get my complimentary copies of new pressings from labels so I should shut up now LOL! New video dropping tonight :)
My response to audiophile conversations is usually something about how I wouldn’t know because I don’t have dog ears😂 Truth be told, I probably destroyed a few levels of hearing at shows, so it’s not exactly a joke. That being said, It’s a serious problem when I can hear that a new pressing sounds worse than my older media…and you would think technology should have improved enough to make that impossible.
@@BeaSides I think the expertise at pressing records has been lost. So many plants have opened recently and there is no longer an army of folks with years of experience pressing the records. Also, I think going to a lot of shows makes people less likely to enjoy 'audiophile' records. There is no "air between the notes" at a show, it's often a wall of sound. With non-jazz, that's the way it should be. Oh, and back to recent pressing, I don't have or pretend to have golden ears, yet it often JUMPS OUT AT ME when a new record sounds wrong. C'est la vie. Cheers! Tom
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I must have shut down my computer last night before finishing this comment Tom. First off. Great to see you again. Hmm. The word audiophile in nowadays terms. It has been thrown around the record collecting world for years now. If someone asks me if I am an audiophile nowadays. I usually answer by saying I cannot afford to call myself an audiophile. But when we were started collecting the word had a whole different meaning when it came to buying records. Shops like Acoustic Sounds and Vinyl Gourmet love to use the word. I was laughing when you said the Devo album sleeve weighed five to eight pounds. 😎It seems like so many of these labels throw "audiophile pressing" to make them sound better than they are. Selling purposes. I also agree that when we bought so many new releases in the eighties and nineties they sounded great as they were. Not all of them naturally. But they did not to use any big words to make the pressing sound better than it already did. All records were audiophile records. Well said Tom. Right on point as always~
Rob/Boston
Hiya Rob! Yeah, I think the funny part about the term 'audiophile' is that when it comes to music, the term probably mostly refers to digital music. I wonder if I hadn't grown up with records being the primary sound carrier, and what I was used to, would I be exclusively a digital listener? It would take up less space, and I'd probably have better listening gear. Hmmm... 😆
Cheers! Tom
It's one reason why I am more than perfectly happy with an early or original pressing - the tape was more ALIVE then, and most pressings had a level of competence to them that you didn't need to have a seperate "audiophile" pressing - the original mofi's with their smiley eq did sound good, but that was also during the oil crisis so virgin vinyl plus that eq bump tended them to have an edge. More disappointing is paying for a premium product now and not getting that.
On occasion I get tempted by wanting to hear a marketed-as-audiophile version of a record I have, and nearly - NEARLY - 100% of the time I am disappointed. The Black Sabbath was great. War crimes were committed against Television. I think the best way I can put it is that a lot of 'audiophile' stuff sounds sterile. Too clean. When I see a band live, there is no air between the instruments. They blend, as they should.
Cheers! Tom
I remember your take on the Kevin Grey Television and I agreed with you. My version of Freedom Of Choice sounds fine. When it comes to Black Sabbath I don’t think there is a bad version.
While I think it can be interesting to hear a different version of a album, I think it's a weird hobby to *compare* different versions of albums. Really weird. I can understand *having* a bunch of different versions of the same album - I think Henry Rollins is big into this - but comparing notes, decays of strings, etc is out there. To me. I wonder how big the comparison community would be if not for social media.
Cheers, Tom
@@highrantdistrict The constant search for the best sounding version of a record is a never ending journey that borders on mental illness.
The Jesus Lizard have a new record coming out on Ipecac- think with og full band line up.
Hey Chris! Yeah, I saw that, I get Ipecac emails but the one track didn't grab me. They're coming to Portland so I might catch that show, but goddamn they are old 🤣
I hope all is well!
Cheers, Tom
Tommy the water you are drinking is messin’ w your hear-ing! lol.....I gotcha I hear yea...had a similar situation w a JT mofi sounded like rice crispies.....I cleaned and cleaned blah blah, no luck found a used copy might be a first press? For a great price but the cover was trashed! Henceforth I Frankenstein it w the mofi....I don’t give a crap if I put a $2 record in a $30 something jacket ....peace on Tommy keep it real✊🏻as I know you will- Lis 😎🎶☀️☮️
Hey there Lis! Putting a $2 record in a $30 sleeve IS A GODDAMN BOSS MOVE!!! I love when people, think and act outside the box. There too many followers out there and not enough free-thinkers. Keep on keepin' on!
Cheers, Tommy
I have that t-shirt. I like to joke the best version of Black Sabbath is the warbly 8-track that a stoned teenager listened to.
It stands to reason it would sound better. There's more air between the tracks!!!
😜 Tom
I was just thinking about this topic! Also back in the day, no one cared about your turntable nor your cartridge nor your cleaning method, etc.; it was somewhat more about taste/genres, I guess. When something is mainstream (as records were back then), there's less nit-picking among nutjobs. Now that it's niche, here we are.
That's a great point about it being niche now hence the nitpicking. Hadn't thought about it that way, but that makes sense. I do think that a lot of new records sound bad compared to what I grew up with. I don't sense that I'm picky about sound - though maybe I am - but if something sounds glaringly wrong it just snaps me out of the moment and I disconnect from the music. A flaw in myself, I know.
Cheers! Tom
@@highrantdistrict But you're right, they're bad! Everything you said is exactly how I view modern-day pressings; honestly and IMHO they're nothing more than a tacky, novelty souvenir from a bygone era produced solely for "time tourists." But... I still get my complimentary copies of new pressings from labels so I should shut up now LOL! New video dropping tonight :)
@@redcomusic Time Tourists is a great name for a band! 🤣🤣🤣
My response to audiophile conversations is usually something about how I wouldn’t know because I don’t have dog ears😂 Truth be told, I probably destroyed a few levels of hearing at shows, so it’s not exactly a joke. That being said, It’s a serious problem when I can hear that a new pressing sounds worse than my older media…and you would think technology should have improved enough to make that impossible.
@@BeaSides I think the expertise at pressing records has been lost. So many plants have opened recently and there is no longer an army of folks with years of experience pressing the records. Also, I think going to a lot of shows makes people less likely to enjoy 'audiophile' records. There is no "air between the notes" at a show, it's often a wall of sound. With non-jazz, that's the way it should be. Oh, and back to recent pressing, I don't have or pretend to have golden ears, yet it often JUMPS OUT AT ME when a new record sounds wrong. C'est la vie.
Cheers! Tom
Lucky I am more on hardcore, so no audiophile there. Old hc records are louder than modern repress.
I suspect there's a lot less mental illness in Finland than the United States 🤣
Cheers! Tom
@@highrantdistrict Could be. Free healthcare helps the situation.