he became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing the high ground, which eventually, he did. unfortunately he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and his apprentice took the high ground from him in his sleep. it's ironic. he could give the high ground to others, but not keep it for himself.
Arrogance comes in levels, obviously Anakin’s arrogance just had a tendency to climb up levels where as even Palpatine had grounded expectations (usually). So Vader lost because he was tired, angry, overconfident and by the end of the ‘High Ground’, he just was probably tired of Soresu as a concept. After all, say what you want about Obi Wan, he was the master of Soresu. He has fought multiple opponents and his fluid blocks and parries. It just is like the Kryptonite against Djem So. Obi Wan won because of lightsaber mastery, patience and having the perfect personality to counter it. Saying he was arrogant and why he won because of that is too simplistic of an answer. It is like answering an math problem without showing your work.
In fairness he was already angry clouding judgement, also helps that Obi-Wan knows Anakin's moves well enough. Training someone long enough makes you know how they move and act. Similarly in a way a Parent knows how their kid acts after raising them for so long.
@@I4mNocturnalOG but if you were ten and your brother was like 15 year older than you or what ever and he was basically the only one raising you you would think of him as a father
Reecie Boi I’m not saying you wouldn’t I probably would but obi wan didn’t think he was a father figure to anakin he thought of himself as a brother to anakin
@@I4mNocturnalOG gooood gooood lol. Yeah I don't see qui gon as a father figure to him. He literally knew anakin for what a month or something before his death?
Forget "high ground". It was the "don't try it" that ended the fight. Baiting his opponent into a disadvantageous position was a perfect play for a defense minded Obiwan.
I'm not sure why it's overlooked that telling him not to "try it" would be the single best way to ensure that he does ... something that Obi Wan would have known about his protege. At that point, he had given up on trying to "save" him, and set out to ensure that he was killed. Goading an egomaniac into trying something they shouldn't, would be a perfect way to ensure victory over a superior opponent.
Obi Wan only lasted a few seconds against Count Dooku who Anakin beat. Yet Anakin can’t beat OBi Wan because he has higher ground. That being the fact than Darth Maul would have chopped Obi Wan in 2 when they fought.
mariocastillo813 Wasn't the high ground Anakin couldve easily just jumped in front of Obi than above him. He was just blinded by arrogance and pride and tried the same move Obi used on maul only difference is unlike maul Obi wasnt blinded by Arrogance and saw it coming from a mile away. Why do you think he tells Anakin "Dont try it." because he knew saying that Anakin WOULD be dumb enough to try it. If he had just been patient and kept the pressure on Kenobi then he wouldve easily won but as is the way of the Sith he was blinded by his own ego and paid for it dearly...
Grand Moff Zambiemonk mariocastillo813 Every general, every soldier, every warrior who has lived in our history knows that in every fight the first thing one has to do is to choose the terrain. Obi wan did not go there by chance or fortune. he intentionally went to there, Anakin instead, he failed at the basic, Strength, Power, and Speed count anything if you fail at the basis of combat. We can see it numerous times in our history. During the first Punic Wars the Romans lost at sea against the Carthaginians, but on the ground they won practically always, so to win they invented the "Corvo" a huge bridge that fell on the enemy ship and anchored to it, thus allowing a boarding. Napoleon and hitler, unlike the Russians, did not know how to fight under the harsh winter, and so they lost, both marking the beginning of their departure in Russia. But without going so far back, the United States, during the Vietnam war, were all focused on strength and numbers, thus losing against poorly armed farmers, who, unlike the Americans, knew the jungles very well. do you understand where I want to go? Anakin has failed in the basics, he lost for a beginner's mistake, which makes it even sadder, is the fact that Anakin, the choice of terrain, has seen it in practice millions of times in the clone war. Demonstrating once again, that Anakin was a very powerful weapon, but without someone who wields it, he can not do anything.
Another little factoid: during their fight, Anakin actually tried this move once before, so Obi-Wan knew what he was going to do. When Anakin is on the droid and Obi-Wan is on the platform, Anakin jumps over Obi-Wan, surprising him but lands too far away to instantly go for the killing blow. Because of this, Obi-Wan knew what Anakin was planning. That is where "It's over, I have the high ground" and "Don't try it" come into play. He KNEW Anakin was going to try Obi-Wan's killing blow against Maul against him, so he tried to reach his friend like a Master would try to teach his student. He told him the glaring error in his plan, when Anakin's response told Obi-Wan that he wasn't getting through to him, he blatantly tried to warn him by telling him not to try it. And so, we get this scene...
Marton Denes I agree. There were some issues but I’m so sick of everyone being such bitches about the prequels. Honestly my biggest gripe with them is he relied to heavily on cgi. I would have rather seen more puppets and animatronics than all the cgi but I love the prequels. Star Wars fans are snobs sometimes. It actually drove Lucas to sell the franchise cause he was sick of all of the whiney fans thinking they know how HIS story should have been. Lol. Pretty ridiculous
Yeah, I never got the hate for Jar Jar, as if C3PO or the Ewoks weren't comic relief too.. I think they portrayed Obi Wan well, same with Palpatine. They also introduced great characters like Dooku and Mace Windu. My only gripe is Anakin's portrayal, and specially his quick descent into the dark side, it didn't make much sense how he came to willingly kill dozens of kids just because he was scared of a nightmare where his lover died. The worst part is that he supposedly did all that to save Padme and the first thing he does when he sees her is kill her, incredibly dumb. Palpatine was believable in his conniving ways, so was Dooku, but Anakin's turn seemed to dumb for me. It definitely wasn't earned, that's why Revenge of the Sith is my least favorite film, plus it was dumb how Yoda quietly backed away from keeping on fighting Sidious, knowing what was at stake, that's very out of character too. And the other part I didn't like much about the prequel trilogy is the flashiness of the lightsaber fighting styles, compared to the original trilogy. I mean, we see Luke and Vader do a couple of flips but they went all in on those flips with the Maul's fights, Yoda, etc. They tried to adress that dissonance by introducing different "styles" via Dooku's more restrained style but it still seemed farfetched to me. But this is a minor problem compared with Anakin's arc, I stand by the assertion that it was lazy and through-the-motions mostly.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros4419 I agree with everything you said. I may simply add that I did find the Revenge of the Sith far more plausible after I had watched the Clone Wars TV Series. It's a "kids' show", but it builds up nicely for Anakin's fall to the dark side.
Yes and no.I mean,it had incredible moments and rejuvenate the saga,but the dialogues sometimes were terrible,the dynamics between characters awful and the stories unclear or simply childlish.The prequel have done very good,but at the same time were cheeky and ridiculous.If they had been thought more they would have been a masterpiece like the original 3 movies
The high ground idea was as much a metaphor as an actual physical upper hand in a duel. Obi Wan was saying I have the high ground in every sense - physically, morally, spiritually. Anakin attacked him from a low place, from a hateful state of mind driven by anger.
Jack Migdal anakin the Jedi is stronger, anakin Darth Vader is stronger. Anakin I just killed a bunch of younglings and the pregnant love of my life is not stronger. With your comment you basically saying that you’re going to throw away that beautifully written and acted scene to sound like an asshole.
@@shoneegod7339 A bit, but OP is right, that it was a metaphor - Obi-Wan was merely baiting Anakin to push him to make a mistake. Which is exactly what Anakin did.
ProtoMario I'd say he somewhat altered his dueling style, though more mental growth. Both Anakin and Vader were power duelists, users of Djem So. Where they changed was how Vader implemented Nimans force implications, and possibly versatility but both come with age as Niman takes about ten years to be effective.
I think the high ground is clever writing. The entire prequel trilogy up to that point had beaten us over the head with Anakin being more powerful than anybody else. So the only way for Obi-Wan to win was for him to use intelligence and tactics against Anakin. Anything else would've defeated the whole drama up to that point. Plus, the high ground plays into Obi-Wan's established character as well of allowing enemies to come to him, using his brain in a fight and all that.
@Andreea - Bianca Munteanu I like your discourse and explanation of Obi Wan and the fight from Episode 3. However, can it be explained why Anakin's (Vader's) attack in this situation was so easily countered, and in Episode 1 Obi Wan was able to successfully pull off a harder version of the same attack against Darth Maul? Granted there was no taunting or mention "of the higher ground" in Episode 1 and one could say "Maul wasn't expecting Kenobi to counter from his position". Either way, I feel like there must be more to these alternate outcomes. Please feel free to give your take...
@@jamesf7795 I believe after the fight with Maul I’m guessing the Jedi talked about how bad ass it was for Obi Wan to overcome being on the low ground to kill Maul. I’m sure Anakin and Obi Wan probably talked about it a lot throughout their years of training side by side.
@Andreea - Bianca Munteanu the thing is maul wasnt expecting obi wan to do that, it caught him by surprise, but obi wan was expecting anakin to do that, and could easily counter it
"if you know your enemy and you know yourself, you need not fear the outcome of a thousand battles" - Sun Tzu. this is why kenobi won. "if you know your enemy, but do now know yourself then for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat" - Sun Tzu. this is why anakin lost.
If fighting is sure to result in victory then you must fight. Sun tzu said that, and I'm pretty sure he knew a little more about fighting than you do pals, cause he invented it. Then he perfected it so much that no living man could beat him in the ring of honor.
@@foreveranoob3873 Then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one of them.
It would be funny af. But every force user has some kind of a force feild around them,almost always protecting the user from other useres trying out the force on them.
@@laythadrian5705 he didnt lose tho, he wanted Vader to strike him down, that way he could always be with Luke and be stronger with the force. I do believe that he would've lost if the duel was to continue
Best lightsaber duel ever. But to me it was Obi-Wan’s cleverness that got the best of Anakin, not so much the “high ground”. I believe Anakin had enough power to probably clear 3 times that height. It’s just that Obi-Wan knew how arrogant Anakin was. He was his Master after all, thru out the clone wars he is constantly reminding Anakin to not be so rash and to think things thru and not to rely on his strength anole. He knew his weakness so he baited him but at the same time hoping that he wouldn’t fall for it. In the end Obi-Wan was a warrior of the light who was incorruptible. He didn’t let His relationship with Anakin cloud his mind, he saw an opening and he struck.
Cleverness led to that tactical advantage ;) As well as to holding his own against the Chosen One fully devoured by the Dark Side, at his absolutely all time strongest. Just like with Grevious and Maul, Obi was outmatched and driven to a seemingly hopeless situation but he never gave up and eventually got a win by a scratch. A truly inspiring character.
Well the height difference didn’t matter as much as the fact that there *was* a height difference, I believe. In general, if you’re in the air, your movements become much much easier to predict, and react to, because there’s so much less you can do. On the ground, you can move in any direction, but once you’re in the air, you have to follow through on the arc you chose, with minor deviations.
lilahk95 the ONLY reason obi wan walked off that rock alive is because he trained Anakin from a young age. He knew his every move and when he was going to make it
Danny Inoa Well that's your opinion but the count dooku wasn't as badass in the movies as he was in the videogames or in the TV shows...(well at least that's me, his actor looks kind of overweight, meanwhile in the clone wars both 2003 and 2008 or the videogames he looks just better) And I know that's his physical appearance in everything else he looks better.
Zukulent Mike well what do you expect ? Christopher Lee was getting very old and his health was starting to deteriorate and I respectfully disagree with you, everyone feels that Lee's count dooku was very underrated and badass, he whipped Anakin and obiwans ass like it was nothing, he even went stalemate with Yoda. As for the cartoon of course Dooku is better, its a cartoon for christ sake, the technology is better.
I think you’re selling Obi-Wan short. Remember he MASTERED Soresu. The defensive form. DEFENSIVE. As he did with Grevious, Kenobi could have stayed defensive until Anakin tired out. (Yeah I know, Grevious didn’t tire out, he was a cyborg). Look how many strikes per second Kenobi deflected from Grevious, no one else could do that. So Obi-Wan stays on the defensive, Anakin being Anakin would get more pissed off that he hadn’t yet been able to get through Obi-Wan’s defenses, more pissed off that even though he was “the chosen one” and a sith he hadn’t yet defeated Obi-Wan, he would have eventually done something stupid (like trying a basic Ataru flip over Obi-Wan 😑) and left himself open to a slick move from Kenobi. I believe that no matter where the battle ended up, each person being who they were, the outcome would be the same. Anakin’s arrogance would still have caused him to lose. Obi-Wan, being the master of defense, would have kept doing his thing, and though it was killing him emotionally, would have kept that cool head of his and waited for Anakin to get “too big for his britches” and leave an opening that Kenobi could exploit. You said it yourself, Obi-Wan was the THINKER, Anakin the act first-think later type. Do I think Anakin was better than Obi-Wan in skill? Yes. If you just base it on ability and how strong in the force each was. But if you go by strategy, long term planning, being/staying focused on the task, and adding in Kenobi’s mastery of Soresu, then no. Obi-Wan wins. The smart fighter wins over the aggressive but short sighted fighter. I hate when people don’t give Obi-Wan the credit he deserves. This is all just my opinion. I’m cool with other people having a different opinion. That’s what makes these things so fun and interesting to debate. I like getting to maybe see something I never noticed before. And yes, I’m a total Obi-Wan forever kinda girl. 😁
Kinky Nothing I don’t know if I should laugh at your comment or punch you, lol. Yes, I’m a girl. Yes, I love Star Wars and yes I can have rational thoughts about it.
More like he had the plot on his side. Obi Wan was already destined to live, Anakin was already destined to become Vader. The outcome was never in doubt. You don’t have to be very smart for your opponent to jump straight into your lightsaber, not to mention that Anakin was more than capable of jumping far higher than he did, but his jump had to be nerfed so he could be put the suit. I can’t help but wonder what would’ve happened had the movies been made in chronological order...
@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 Kenobi was smarter, more experienced and more in control of himself. These are factors you can't just ignore in a fight; they're as much, if not more important as physical/Force power, especially when lethal weapons are involved. This wasn't plot armor at all.
He was too emotional and overconfident. Obi also trained him and knew all his flaws. Obi was older but NOT Old still very much in his prime. Mentally he had the edge that made up for the any physical gap..
@@daddydino4231 Isn't that because Obi Wan used much of his time meditating and focusing on the Force and all Vader did was destroy and spread his hatred? Kenobi would have had no chance of becoming a Force Ghost if he didn't deepen his connection to the Force.
@@daddydino4231 Finally someone that makes sense, tired of these star wars fans not knowing what POTENTIAL means. Jesus. Vader was not trained in the Dark side or experienced in the force at this moment, why would he be stronger than Obiwan?
Thnx guys. With the kind of fame that the dialogue got.. i thought perhaps it metaphorically meant obi wan won coz he had higher moral values than anakin or something or that sort. Lol... can't believe something so obvious bcam so viral😀
Riy99 Bl Obi wan would still beat Skywalker even without the high ground for two main reasons: 1. Skywalker was powerful but Obi wan was the wiser one and knows the technique of his ex padawan and vice versa. 2. The dark side has a flaw when given to much anger which Anakin had in spades on Mustafar and his ego gushed out thinking he surpassed Obi but Obi was always more skilled and had a tendency to use his environment as an asset to fight which is seen in most of his fights against General Grievous in the Clone Wars. Having the high ground was literally fighting Obi wan un his own terms which Skywalker in his ego failed to see until his legs gave him that shock of reality.
I think obi wan knowing anakin's fighting style knew that he'd be losing ground for a lot of the fight. Obi wan used the environment to limit anakin's aggression such as the narrow hallways, balancing on the bridge, and getting to cover from the lava.
Great point! I always thought that too, after they had force pushed each other in the control room where Anakin had killed the Separatists, was the point to me Obiwan realized that he couldn’t continue to let it be a total offensive onslaught for Anakin to let him push the pace in open space, as soon enough he would tire and his apprentice could make the killer blow. But rather slow it down and make it a more tactical and mental battle, (jumping to the Bridge, getting the high ground (the 1st time before the platform drops into the lava, and jumping onto the platform and getting up River before the waterfall drop off. Obiwan adapted as the fight went on and made it a chess match of experience whereas Anakin was so blinded by rage it eventually cost him the battle with his arrogance.
If you go into the lore you actually get a really good explanation: Anakin often studied his Masters techniques from their lives via security footage since he's a great tech prodigy. He found surveillance video of a young Kenobi fighting Darth Maul and even asked him how he accomplished his death strike on the fallen Sith from such a disadvantageous position. In short Obiwan knew Anakin would try that very maneuver against him as he recognized the similarities in their positions at the end of their duel on Mustafar. Even in the cartoon Ben Kenobi feinted Darth Maul into a similar position to force Maul into using a similar strike used to kill Quigon Jinn. TLDR: Obi-Wan Kenobi is such a great swordsman that he can make you position yourself right where he needs you to be.
@@masterchief5833 Except he lost to Dooku. Twice. Dooku's style counter Obi Wan hard. Yoda is much more potent with the Force. And as for Windu, with his ultra agressive fighting style, Obi Wan can actually stall the guy out
@@hoanganphanle in the original lore, dooku won the first time because at that point, obiwan had only switched to his preferred Form 3 lightsabre combat for couple of years and haven't really mastered it. By Revenge of Sith, obiwan and anakin tricked Dooku into thinking they were still pretty far behind in terms of lightsabre combat. But dooku was caught off guard when they finally switched it up a notch, with Obiwan showing his perfect mastery of Form 3. Dooku was shooked because he couldn't get pass Obiwan's simple yet impenetrable defensive lighrsabre moves. In the book, dooku noted how obiwan perfectly yet so minimally and precisely block all his attacks. Seeing this he had no choice but to use the force to knock him out because he had no idea how to beat him and Anakin was coming back up to support Obiwan. He got rid of Obiwan with the force quickly because he knew if they joined forces seriously, he stand no chance at all.
Obi-Wan knew Anakin would get frustrated as the duel went on. The longer Obi-Wan was alive the more careless Anakin would get in his attempt to kill him and that carelessness lead to his dismemberment.
I've always maintained that it was more than just having the high ground that led to Anakin's loss, though Anakin's impatience in response to Obi-Wan's taunt contributed. But Anakin's weakness, which led him to the dark side, was his inability to release attachments. Obi-Wan beat Maul, who'd had much higher ground over him than he had over Anakin, so that couldn't really be dispositive. But Anakin (at that point) really did NOT want to kill Obi-Wan...he was conflicted. He sabotaged himself, unconsciously, or at least held back, (perhaps imagining that Obi-Wan would not actually kill him in that situation). But Obi-Wan was a master of detachment, in the Jedi fashion...he was even able to let go of his own life when the time came. He could maim his best friend, his "brother", if it was necessary, and leave him for dead, burned and suffering. Anakin, at that time, with his attachments and loyalties, was unable to bring his full rage and hatred to bear against Obi-Wan (his eyes weren't yellow at that moment, remember), and Obi-Wan was able to capitalize on that hesitancy, even though Anakin had easily beaten Dooku after Dooku had easily beaten Obi-Wan. After that, though, Anakin truly came to hate Obi-Wan, which is understandable. Only as he's about to burn and saying, "I hate you!" do his eyes go yellow. Had he been in that state when attacking Obi-Wan at the end, with pure hatred, he would have won, high ground be damned. I have spoken.
That’s what I’ve been saying for so long, Anakin was totally holding back against Obi-Wan. I think there was even a part of him that hoped that it he could just make Obi-Wan realize the hypocrisy of the council, that they might still find a way to reconcile. That’s why he held back. There’s literally a moment quite early in the duel when Anakin has an easy kill shot with Obi-Wan’s back turned. Against any other opponent, he would not hesitate to take that kill, but he couldn’t bring himself to let Obi-Wan go, he wanted, needed, him alive, so he could expose the wrongdoings of the Jedi, explain how they had both been duped. But of course, Obi-Wan wouldn’t listen, and after that, the outcome was sealed. I think Anakin may have even slightly lost the will to go on fighting at that point. He felt so betrayed that Obi-Wan would choose the Jedi over him after all their years of friendship, that he couldn’t focus on the battle anymore, and this is why he jumped so weakly straight into Obi-Wan’s lightsaber when he was more than capable of jumping over it.
obi wan was someone who could of defeated anakin. yes anakin thought the jedi were evil and never saw the lie that palpatine put on anakin. regardless, we can say that anakins rage and ireogance is what cost him his leg and arm...but what if anakin lost because he didnt tap into the dark side like he should of? i made a video similar to this one but goes over and explains things a bit different and dives into them more in depth....check it out if you wish👇 th-cam.com/video/YNKuyiEL7w8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=StarWarsStory
Eh. I agree that early on he wasn’t trying to kill him. He was probably trying to get him to see his convictions. Anakin didn’t turn on the dark side all the way until he jumped on the same vessel as obi. Even jumping from the smaller one to the bigger one should’ve ended the fight for him, being so close in distance. But then anakin says, after obi truly picks his side, that it is over for him. He feels the dark side now flowing through his veins, and the whole time he was going easy. The next thing that happens is they lock light sabers and Anakin goes for the kill shot, it’s obi that realizes that, and uses his intelligence to flip off of the vessel. And that makes Anakin super angry. He almost had him. That anger blinds his judgment. Just like it did to sidious at the end of 6. Remember he would’ve been able to sense vaders betrayal but he didn’t because he was going nuts with the dark side lightning. So same thing happened to Anakin. His rage over shadowed his judgment. Remember he thought he could over throw the sidious right then and there, which he couldn’t. Sidious was more powerful than him at that time. I chalk this one up completely to arrogance.
"the only father figure he had ever known" I have to disagree on this point because Obi Wan was his father figure. While it could be argued he was more of a brother, I day he was both. Depending on the situation. Otherwise great video!
My two cents: 1) in another video's comments someone mentioned that it was written in the script that during the duel Obi-Wan had several opportunities to strike Anakin down and he wouldn't. He tried to find moments to reason. Funnily enough if you review the fight scene by scene like Shadiversity did, you find several moments in which Anakin presents his unguarded back to Obi-Wan. (in all fairness, Obi-Wan also does this now and then) 2) right before the infamous high ground scene, Anakin performs the same jump to get onto Obi-Wan's platform. Obi-Wan swings at him twice but missing due to Anakin staying out of reach. Then in the high ground scene, the distance between the two is much larger horizontally and vertically. Anakin performs the same move but isn't able to stay out of Obi-Wan's reach like he did before. So imagine the scene before, Obi-Wan says, don't try it, Anakin's makes the jump and laughs, you underestimate my power. Then they hack at each other. Followed by the high ground scene. Obi-Wan says, don't try it, it won't work this time. Now Anakin laughs again, goes for it, and gets slashed down. Would it make more sense?
Jay Subbiah Eeeexcept Jedi are arogant fools who believe the same teachings will always work no matter how much they fail. Truth is, they don't teach them about the sith as well, while the sith know all about the jedi. Information = power
@@Aralakh919 teaching about the dark side would lead to more sith than Jedi, since the dark side is much more overwhelming than their minds. It isn't arrongace, it's caution. Those Jedi who face the dark side and decide NOT to turn are much more disciplined than any sith. Wisdom = Power
I love the fact that they had the high ground scene. Perfect showcase of his arrogance and how it ultimately doomed him to his miserable fate. And it was so brutal. I loved the duel at the time and I still do now but for some reason I can't figure out while the lightsaber duels in the games are 1000X more epic than the movies. Whyyyyyy could we not have gotten some footage of Sith Anakin doing so much more epic shit. The saber fight was the best with Obi Wan but they need to showcase Anakin/Vaders awesomeness way more. More Vader+Anakin+Obi Wan+Yoda = Better Movies. It's simple math no matter how you add it up! To hell with Han Solo lol
It's not that simple. A cool thing in a movie, be that cuteness, funny lines, great fights, has to be dosed in a way that you feel like wanting more of it. Because if there's more than that, it get's, if not boring, than at least normal, average, and viewers won't feel as hyped about it any more.
Volkbrecht for a normal viewer who is just getting to know star wars well u might be true but to diehard star wars fans its like a dream come true for sure kinda thing hahah😜
Simply put... technology issues. In a game it is easier to make awesome powers and strength and speed and impossible feats. In movies (and where actors are used) it is harder to create believable feats like that. Specially old people fighting, which happens so often in comics and animation series. Just like Dumbledor role was smaller in the books. The role of Obi Wan, Vader and Palpatine (and more) had to be diminished since it would require editing technology that even now we do not have
Sleepy Sleep I would like a movie before the Phantom Menace where you saw the Jedi culture and the Sith Lord that Sidious referenced to Anakin in Episode 3 also seeing young Yoda.
Fr!!! We need a prime republic movie with the two main characters being yoda and a padwan quigon Jin!! That sounds manageable!!!! Or a darth maul movie would be pretty sick to!
I always wished that Anakin had said, “Don’t make me destroy you!” to Obi-wan before their duel, instead of “Don’t make me kill you!” It was the perfect setup to tie into Vader saying it to Luke.
I would like to point something out from having read the entire Jedi Apprentice series, you have made an important omission in characterizing Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan was an EXTREMELY aggressive, dominating and powerful warrior. He wasn’t allowed to duel younglings his own age after a certain point and was nearly expelled from the order for failing to attract a Master to take him as a padawan, because he was so aggressive and hot headed. In dueling, he focused on absolute domination of his opponent, master Yoda noting to Qui-Gon, while trying to convince him to take Obi-Wan as a padawan, that he would often forgo opportunities to win a duel technically for the opportunity to continue to rain down upon his already well subdued opponent. At the time that Obi-Wan took the trials, he had been with Qui-Gon for many years, and had benifited from Qui-Gon’s influence tremendously, many of his rougher edges smoothed down by experience and Qui-Gon’s wisdom, yet we still see a cocksure, mouthy, hostile character in Phantom Menace, the remnants of the smoldering warrior mentality of Obi-Wan’s youth. In the series, Obi-Wan is portrayed similarly to Anakin in the Prequels, he is shown as physically capable, and rescues Qui-Gon often at the tip of a lightsaber. So while true that he was much less force sensitive and intuitive, I don’t think it was an accident that Obi-Wan was able to defeat Darth Maul in single combat while Qui-Gon failed, he has the aggressive and willingly self destructive tendencies of a warrior, rushing into battle unconcerned for safety, with only the desire to strike in his heart. Anakin’s better performance against Count Dookoo had more to do with Dookoo’s success in manipulating poor dumb Obi-Wan than his ability to defeat him outright with a lightsaber, and he had several situational advantages against Windu as well... Just wanted to provide a bit of my own context on this, but I really don’t think many Jedi, as they are shown as kind of complacent and lacking their historical mojo, have a definitive advantage against Obi-Wan in a fair one on one fight...
Dyegsits W Its a matter of opinion, but if you watch the scene where Vader cuts him down, Obiwan pretty clearly has a sudden thought, and decides to allow Vader to end him. At least it looks that way to me...
I believe Obi-Wan had the "FATHER/SON" advantage. He was basically like an older brother or father to Anakin. So in that role he got to watch Anakin from a young child....all his tendencies....all his mistakes....all his weaknesses. This combined fatherly instincts with wisdom make him basically the BEST to defeat Anakin. Obviously the arrogance and high ground helped as well.
Before I didn’t really get “the high ground” but after watching this video, I began to understand. Anakin wanted to prove to Obi-Wan and himself that he was as good as his master. Yes, he believed that he was the superior one from the bottom of his heart, but he was constantly under the control of Obi-Wan. (Like we saw in AotC) He was never seen as better than Obi-Wan even though he was obviously more powerful. He wanted to do the same thing Obi-Wan did to Darth Maul; so that he can prove to his master that he wasn’t worse, that he was equal- or maybe better. The high ground scene wasn’t a physical fight, but more like a symbolic fight. I couldn’t explain my point well, but eh, English isn’t my native language.
/Ada/ Slothland nah bro , he wanted to kill him , plain and simple , (granted , deep down there must have been some emotional conflict about that) given their history as bro’s/comrades who had each others backs throughout most or each others lives
I agree with both killing and high ground. In legends, maul only became a sith after Palpatein saw he was willing to kill his master. This is a big turning point in anakin to the dark side as he wanted to kill his own master, without any remorse or fear. Just pure hatred.
This duel is my favorite scene in star wars because its the bridge bw the two trilogies and the culmination of 30 years of buildup essentially It also has a fantastic score and excellent choreography Its my fav scene from any movie
I think because of Obi-Wan's lack of force power he focused on swordsman ship and strategy to make up for it. During their battle Anikan may have been the aggressor the whole time but due to Obi-Wan's defensive style he played in to Obi-Wan's hands thinking he was winning. Also playing into his ego. Giving up ground to feed it. Then telling Anikan after gaining and pushing him back so far you can't beat me. Thats when Anikan lost all since and fell for "the high ground"
Definitely the best lightsaber battle of the entire saga. I agree with your assessment, just like maul Vader's arrogance is what led to his defeat. I think Obiwan knew that by telling him not to try the jump he would in fact virtually guarantee that he would do it enabling him to finish the fight and beat Vader.
@@Carlos-fh8wk It's both. Picture it this way. That was in theory Obi-Wan's last chance to end it given the surroundings that he had. Yes sloped ground but for the most part open so the acrobatic aggressive form of Anakin would have the upper hand. Yes Obi-Wan being the master of Soresu could outlast him but that's a roll of the dice. Obi-Wan knew he had to end it so he played into Anakin's arrogance. What the Original video didn't cover was Obi-Wan's slight breakdown after. Yelling you were the chosen one kinda shows his irritation and sadness.....but it's not until he says in a normal voice "You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you." That you truly can grasp that earlier when he said don't try it.....he really didn't want him to. Referring to the voice it's like when your parents yell at you cause they are mad versus speaking with you when they are disappointed. Which one hits home more. I think he didn't want him to do it more than wanting him to. But he was both for sure.
Joseph Parker ... the ultimate Jedi Mind trick on another (former) Jedi. To quote Tobias Beckett speaking to Chewbacca, "Think. You wanna make that move? You wanna make that move? Ok, you made that move"
(Almost four years late to the party, but had to comment) Excellent and insightful breakdown. I really enjoy your videos. You lay a foundation (quickly) then build off of it, an ability/gift I wish I had. If I were to do this video it would be, "Obi-Wan beat Anakin because of his wisdom and experience". But then, that wouldn't be much of a video and I wouldn't have 2.8M subscribers :-) Keep up the great work!
As a kid I always hated that Anakin lost.. not sure why. Although I know it was for the betterment of the series I just love Anakins story and character I wanted him to win that fight scene
Anakin tried to actually JUMP OVER obi wan. that was why obi wan said "don't try it". The move Anakin was attempting wasn't a psychotic rage filled corkscrew like Palpatine pulled off, it was a very common Form IV flip move that most jedi of that era commonly used in combat. Being that the move was so basic, Anakin was arrogant enough to even think that simple of a flip was gonna work in the manner he was trying to use it. Look closely, notice... he could've EASILY landed down hill and faked obi wan THEN flipped over obi wan while they were closer together.... He wanted to literally use the most common Ataru flip move used in history just as a final "fuck you" to obi wan... Obi Wan wasn't having that. Anakin woulda landed too close in the first place even if he landed over Obi-Wan. He was destined to fail the minute he jumped regardless of how Obi-Wan went about handling such a predictable and basic move.
Yousa need not worry my apprentice. Messa know Annie's weakness. img.ifcdn.com/images/0e0940b2b4f8fa8b8eb50afbf2bf3a37cb0ca84556df61a665b93932e0ec82e1_3.jpg
*Turns into a force ghost to harass you for eternity* Annie, look. Yousa not gonna believe it. Messa all sparkly glowy! Now wessa gonna have so much time to spend together! I LOVE YOU, ANNIE! YAAH! ANNIEEEE!!!
Awesome stuff, I think Anakin was extremely emotionally unstable at the time too. Maybe a more composed version like the one that faced Dooku would have tagged Obi!
obi wan was someone who could of defeated anakin. yes anakin thought the jedi were evil and never saw the lie that palpatine put on anakin. regardless, we can say that anakins rage and ireogance is what cost him his leg and arm...but what if anakin lost because he didnt tap into the dark side like he should of? i made a video similar to this one but goes over and explains things a bit different and dives into them more in depth....check it out if you wish👇 th-cam.com/video/YNKuyiEL7w8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=StarWarsStory
I think Kenobi was far better duelist in terms of strategy. He was wiser and calmed, always thinking before rushing. Of course being THE MASTER of Soreesu helped a great deal in defending Anakin's relentless attacks while he waited for him to make a mistake .... and he did. Kenobi outmatched Skywalker in experience !!!!
i wouldn't say obi wan Is a better duelist I think he is good tactician. The reason why obi wan relied on soresu s because he knew if he fought Anakin in a straight up fight he would eventually lose and hats why he was in the defensive. And I do think if the fight continued on land obi wan would eventually lose.
Lmao dude kenobi is in NO WAY shape of form a better duelist than Anakin. He was the greatest lightsaber combatant there was. You're an idiot he was also the MASTER of form 5 as Obi was of form 3. Just ask Dooku about that..... and form 5 was literally created to counter form 3, The lack of offense it had spawned the strongest offensive form of all the styles. Which Anakin, with the strongest force connection in existence, completely mastered. He was all about the offensive. They were polar opposites when it came to their fighting styles, it's an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.
Don't forget that Obi Wan had also mastered Ataru, and he mastered dual blade combat as well. He did not rely on only Soresu, rather he mixed the forms together and created his own style. This is not unusual, to master Vapaad a jedi must master all other forms of lightsaber styles before studying Vapaad itself.
Although, you can argue anakin was stronger in the force, anakin was impatient. Obi-wan is THE master of the style Soresu. He was patient. Once he found a spot he could attack, he hit it
In short....
The High ground.
What if Obi-Wan never went to Mustafar at the end of the film?
Because he tried to jump over him as opposed to jumping in front of him (which makes no sense). Mystery solved.....
Star Wars Theory What if Anakin had the high ground?
Star Wars Theory I have never been on any ground unless it was the high ground
What if Anakin was not so arrogant?
The high ground is an ability some consider unnatural.
he became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing the high ground, which eventually, he did. unfortunately he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and his apprentice took the high ground from him in his sleep. it's ironic. he could give the high ground to others, but not keep it for himself.
Commence order 66
Anakin Skywalker it will be done my lord
Hahaha
General Kenobi U WERE THE HIGH GROUND KEEPER, SAID TO TROLL EVERY SITH WITH ODD GREETINGS AND COME BACKS NOT JOIN THEM
“It would be too easy to say he was too arrogant”
“Anakin was arrogant”
Though, it did make more sense after focusing on the fact that it was in some ways a redo of Kenobi’s kill of Maul.
Arrogance comes in levels, obviously
Anakin’s arrogance just had a tendency to climb up levels where as even Palpatine had grounded expectations (usually).
So Vader lost because he was tired, angry, overconfident and by the end of the ‘High Ground’, he just was probably tired of Soresu as a concept. After all, say what you want about Obi Wan, he was the master of Soresu. He has fought multiple opponents and his fluid blocks and parries.
It just is like the Kryptonite against Djem So.
Obi Wan won because of lightsaber mastery, patience and having the perfect personality to counter it.
Saying he was arrogant and why he won because of that is too simplistic of an answer. It is like answering an math problem without showing your work.
In fairness he was already angry clouding judgement, also helps that Obi-Wan knows Anakin's moves well enough. Training someone long enough makes you know how they move and act. Similarly in a way a Parent knows how their kid acts after raising them for so long.
I read that in a Ron Howard's voice
Ehem
Roses are red
The Death Star is round
“It’s over Anakin, I have the high ground”
DyslexicDoodleBob 😂😂😂😂😂😂👌
Not original but ok
Dont try it! I have the high ground!
@@colbee78336 stfu
STOLEN
"Palpatine, the only father figure he ever had."
Qui gon and Obi wan: am I a joke to you?
well I agree with the Qui gon part but Obi Wan even himself states he was never a father figure to anakin he was a brother
@@I4mNocturnalOG but if you were ten and your brother was like 15 year older than you or what ever and he was basically the only one raising you you would think of him as a father
Reecie Boi I’m not saying you wouldn’t I probably would but obi wan didn’t think he was a father figure to anakin he thought of himself as a brother to anakin
@@I4mNocturnalOG oh ok
@@I4mNocturnalOG gooood gooood lol. Yeah I don't see qui gon as a father figure to him. He literally knew anakin for what a month or something before his death?
Beginning of video
“It wasn’t just arrogance, there’s much more to it.”
End of video
“Ultimately his arrogance was why he lost.”
He lost cause of high ground cmon guys
Don't forget it wasn't just the high ground...oh wait no it was that too
Scrolled down just to see this
Ironic
Maximillian Mus in minecraft low ground is better
Forget "high ground". It was the "don't try it" that ended the fight. Baiting his opponent into a disadvantageous position was a perfect play for a defense minded Obiwan.
Mark Ferrer i have never thought that
Definitely a "hold my beer" moment for Anakin.
The Sauce but then Obi-Wan says “why don’t you hold my beer oops my beer got set on fire be a dear and grab daddy another beer ani”
b8ted and outsmarted.
Yes but it was the high ground that allowed Obi-Wan to say don't try it. And yes baiting Anakin into a mistake
“It wasn’t just cause he was too arrogant or had the high ground”
“He was too arrogant and Obi had the high ground”
Hahaha because that's literally the reason
That was exactly my thought
Because I had the High Ground. Also I was just better in general. General Kenobi that is.
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Hello there.
Titus Richards don't try it
Build2last
You underestimate my power... To run away! see ya!
Titus Richards its over I have the high ground
You know clean mercy kill...right?
Anakin's trying to mimic Obi Wan's win against Maul.
Wonderful point!!!
Damn thats why he said, "Dont try it" cause he did it to MAUL lol
Yewh
Yeah but it only works if the Maul kill works and it doesn't.
Unforuantely for Anakin, Obi wan wasn't stupid enough to let himself get stabbed.
@@andrewsilverio8289 if he was level headed he wouldnt have tried that
Palpatine his only father figure
Obi wan: I guess I haven’t been here this whole time
Andrew Lopez they were brothers
@@js53 but Anakin even says "he is the closest thing to a father I have" when talking about Obi Wan
In E2 when Anakin is ranting to Padme he says Obiwan is like a father to him...but then he gets mad as he thinks Obiwan is holding him back
Pouya Soufi but obi wan even says “you were my brother”
J S a brother can be a “father figure” if your dad was never around like mine, except I had no brother either so yeah
I'm not sure why it's overlooked that telling him not to "try it" would be the single best way to ensure that he does ... something that Obi Wan would have known about his protege. At that point, he had given up on trying to "save" him, and set out to ensure that he was killed. Goading an egomaniac into trying something they shouldn't, would be a perfect way to ensure victory over a superior opponent.
underrated comment
@@gazirelseiryuu7229 its a 5 day old comment in a 3 year old video lmao no ones gona rate it
@@Pedro13542 Someone is going to reply to it though, apparently.
Ha had slaughtered the younglings, there was no coming back from that
@@Pedro13542 Aaaaand wrong you are
2% legitimate reasons Anakin lost
98% *High Ground*
The Bit Gamer 2 did we watch the same video?
don't try it!
@@redbepis4600 uh*jjygr$ghy.
Nah nah nah more like this
1% people who graph the percentages of the comment section
1%legitimate reasons anakin lost
98% *high ground*
more like
100% legitimate reasons Anakin lost = high ground
Your arrogance blinds you Anakin. Now you will experience the full power of the high ground
D Carrano I am the pork Lord of the sith
My power you underestimate!
This one is entire episode 3 in one sentence
@SHAZAM DC Now...Fulfill your _DESTINY_
Obi-Wan defeated two Sith Lords. How many of the Jedi of that Era can say that? He’s better than people give him credit for.
Jerbear 42387 thank you so much for this comment... Obi wan is by far stronger then the Most Jedi especially in lightsaber duelling
Jerbear 42387 Wait who the hell have you been around that doesnt give obi wan credit? Lol
Obi Wan only lasted a few seconds against Count Dooku who Anakin beat. Yet Anakin can’t beat OBi Wan because he has higher ground. That being the fact than Darth Maul would have chopped Obi Wan in 2 when they fought.
mariocastillo813 Wasn't the high ground Anakin couldve easily just jumped in front of Obi than above him. He was just blinded by arrogance and pride and tried the same move Obi used on maul only difference is unlike maul Obi wasnt blinded by Arrogance and saw it coming from a mile away. Why do you think he tells Anakin "Dont try it." because he knew saying that Anakin WOULD be dumb enough to try it. If he had just been patient and kept the pressure on Kenobi then he wouldve easily won but as is the way of the Sith he was blinded by his own ego and paid for it dearly...
Grand Moff Zambiemonk mariocastillo813 Every general, every soldier, every warrior who has lived in our history knows that in every fight the first thing one has to do is to choose the terrain.
Obi wan did not go there by chance or fortune. he intentionally went to there, Anakin instead, he failed at the basic, Strength, Power, and Speed count anything if you fail at the basis of combat.
We can see it numerous times in our history. During the first Punic Wars the Romans lost at sea against the Carthaginians, but on the ground they won practically always, so to win they invented the "Corvo" a huge bridge that fell on the enemy ship and anchored to it, thus allowing a boarding. Napoleon and hitler, unlike the Russians, did not know how to fight under the harsh winter, and so they lost, both marking the beginning of their departure in Russia.
But without going so far back, the United States, during the Vietnam war, were all focused on strength and numbers, thus losing against poorly armed farmers, who, unlike the Americans, knew the jungles very well.
do you understand where I want to go? Anakin has failed in the basics, he lost for a beginner's mistake, which makes it even sadder, is the fact that Anakin, the choice of terrain, has seen it in practice millions of times in the clone war. Demonstrating once again, that Anakin was a very powerful weapon, but without someone who wields it, he can not do anything.
When the comment section is full of high ground jokes
*All to easy.*
“I love democracy”
So uncivilized
Don’t dew it
@@moringrey7981 so civilized
True. This should be changed to jokes about Anakin having the low ground
Another little factoid: during their fight, Anakin actually tried this move once before, so Obi-Wan knew what he was going to do. When Anakin is on the droid and Obi-Wan is on the platform, Anakin jumps over Obi-Wan, surprising him but lands too far away to instantly go for the killing blow.
Because of this, Obi-Wan knew what Anakin was planning. That is where "It's over, I have the high ground" and "Don't try it" come into play. He KNEW Anakin was going to try Obi-Wan's killing blow against Maul against him, so he tried to reach his friend like a Master would try to teach his student. He told him the glaring error in his plan, when Anakin's response told Obi-Wan that he wasn't getting through to him, he blatantly tried to warn him by telling him not to try it. And so, we get this scene...
MercuryAlphaInc makes sense
Well put, nice explainatio.
@FMJackal nice bait
It was pretty obvious dude
Prequels are under rated
Making a prequel trilogy is hardest. Everything has to make perfect sense and still connect to the originals...in my opinion it was done well
Marton Denes I agree. There were some issues but I’m so sick of everyone being such bitches about the prequels. Honestly my biggest gripe with them is he relied to heavily on cgi. I would have rather seen more puppets and animatronics than all the cgi but I love the prequels. Star Wars fans are snobs sometimes. It actually drove Lucas to sell the franchise cause he was sick of all of the whiney fans thinking they know how HIS story should have been. Lol. Pretty ridiculous
@@jasonspring9685 At least they got me right and made me a god amongst fans.
Yeah, I never got the hate for Jar Jar, as if C3PO or the Ewoks weren't comic relief too..
I think they portrayed Obi Wan well, same with Palpatine. They also introduced great characters like Dooku and Mace Windu. My only gripe is Anakin's portrayal, and specially his quick descent into the dark side, it didn't make much sense how he came to willingly kill dozens of kids just because he was scared of a nightmare where his lover died. The worst part is that he supposedly did all that to save Padme and the first thing he does when he sees her is kill her, incredibly dumb.
Palpatine was believable in his conniving ways, so was Dooku, but Anakin's turn seemed to dumb for me. It definitely wasn't earned, that's why Revenge of the Sith is my least favorite film, plus it was dumb how Yoda quietly backed away from keeping on fighting Sidious, knowing what was at stake, that's very out of character too.
And the other part I didn't like much about the prequel trilogy is the flashiness of the lightsaber fighting styles, compared to the original trilogy. I mean, we see Luke and Vader do a couple of flips but they went all in on those flips with the Maul's fights, Yoda, etc. They tried to adress that dissonance by introducing different "styles" via Dooku's more restrained style but it still seemed farfetched to me. But this is a minor problem compared with Anakin's arc, I stand by the assertion that it was lazy and through-the-motions mostly.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros4419 I agree with everything you said. I may simply add that I did find the Revenge of the Sith far more plausible after I had watched the Clone Wars TV Series. It's a "kids' show", but it builds up nicely for Anakin's fall to the dark side.
Yes and no.I mean,it had incredible moments and rejuvenate the saga,but the dialogues sometimes were terrible,the dynamics between characters awful and the stories unclear or simply childlish.The prequel have done very good,but at the same time were cheeky and ridiculous.If they had been thought more they would have been a masterpiece like the original 3 movies
The high ground idea was as much a metaphor as an actual physical upper hand in a duel. Obi Wan was saying I have the high ground in every sense - physically, morally, spiritually. Anakin attacked him from a low place, from a hateful state of mind driven by anger.
I really like this take. Ive never saw it like that. The fight was over, Obi Wan knew this on Mustafar and on the Death Star
Lol no
Reaching
Jack Migdal anakin the Jedi is stronger, anakin Darth Vader is stronger. Anakin I just killed a bunch of younglings and the pregnant love of my life is not stronger.
With your comment you basically saying that you’re going to throw away that beautifully written and acted scene to sound like an asshole.
@@shoneegod7339
A bit, but OP is right, that it was a metaphor - Obi-Wan was merely baiting Anakin to push him to make a mistake. Which is exactly what Anakin did.
Anakin: “you underestimate my power!”
Obi wan: “This isn’t pod racing!!!!!!”
Lol
You can see how Vader changed his fighting style after his loss.
true CONGRATS ON ALMOST 500K SUBS EVEN KNOW I DONT WATCH U
ProtoMario that's because he lost both legs and both hands... with his new armor he wasn't flexible and fast eneugh for his old fighting style
ProtoMario I'd say he somewhat altered his dueling style, though more mental growth. Both Anakin and Vader were power duelists, users of Djem So. Where they changed was how Vader implemented Nimans force implications, and possibly versatility but both come with age as Niman takes about ten years to be effective.
I think it makes him better. He doesn't rely on his talent anymore.
ProtoMario Yeah, dismemberment kind of changes your physicality in battle right?
Anakin: I’m bold and brash
Obi-Wan: more like belongs in the trash
Ricky Dubs I read this in Obi-Wan’s voice
r/unexpectedspongebob
More like in the incinerator,
Ok I'll leave
Lmfao
ooOOHHHH
Younglings lose to Anakin coz they didn't have high ground
WindWicker GT I am very smart
Darth Vader If they had high ground they would kick your ass
What power? you hazmatic cry baby, your kid had more power befor he even knew what the froce was.
Obi-Wan Kenobi lololololollol
wat
I think the high ground is clever writing. The entire prequel trilogy up to that point had beaten us over the head with Anakin being more powerful than anybody else. So the only way for Obi-Wan to win was for him to use intelligence and tactics against Anakin. Anything else would've defeated the whole drama up to that point. Plus, the high ground plays into Obi-Wan's established character as well of allowing enemies to come to him, using his brain in a fight and all that.
Because obi wan Kenobi was the greatest Jedi of all time
@Andreea - Bianca Munteanu hell yes. Exactly
@Andreea - Bianca Munteanu I like your discourse and explanation of Obi Wan and the fight from Episode 3. However, can it be explained why Anakin's (Vader's) attack in this situation was so easily countered, and in Episode 1 Obi Wan was able to successfully pull off a harder version of the same attack against Darth Maul? Granted there was no taunting or mention "of the higher ground" in Episode 1 and one could say "Maul wasn't expecting Kenobi to counter from his position".
Either way, I feel like there must be more to these alternate outcomes. Please feel free to give your take...
@@jamesf7795 I believe after the fight with Maul I’m guessing the Jedi talked about how bad ass it was for Obi Wan to overcome being on the low ground to kill Maul. I’m sure Anakin and Obi Wan probably talked about it a lot throughout their years of training side by side.
@Andreea - Bianca Munteanu the thing is maul wasnt expecting obi wan to do that, it caught him by surprise, but obi wan was expecting anakin to do that, and could easily counter it
for me, this scene is by far the most powerful one in all star wars movies.
Aaron Ferland what about the darth vader-luke second fight?
it's a really good one too but i feel like there isn't as much emotion in the fight as this one ( obi-Wan vs Anakin )
Aaron Ferland it's most definitely up there for sure.
It could be
Aaron Ferland Revenge of the Sith was my favourite Star Wars movie.
"if you know your enemy and you know yourself, you need not fear the outcome of a thousand battles" - Sun Tzu. this is why kenobi won.
"if you know your enemy, but do now know yourself then for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat" - Sun Tzu. this is why anakin lost.
Most influential non-religious text ever written.
If fighting is sure to result in victory then you must fight. Sun tzu said that, and I'm pretty sure he knew a little more about fighting than you do pals, cause he invented it. Then he perfected it so much that no living man could beat him in the ring of honor.
@@foreveranoob3873
Then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one of them.
@@professionalmemeenthusiast2117 And from that day forward anytime a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo!
@@Dr._Zoidberg
Unless it's a farm
the unnessesarry bulshit flip in the air left Anakin vunrable.
Underrated cmnt.😂😂
I prefer effectiveness to flair, something Anakin learned later on, as Darth Vader played far less games then him.
If he dosen't jump that way Obi wan would have just force pushed him into the lava.
@@Chris_Knight7 He could have just used the force to block Obi-Wan's. They are shown to have a similar force push earlier in the same fight.
@@FakeBlu Yes, but you think he can do that while jumping?
What he said: “I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND”
What we heard: “I DONT DIE IN THIS MOVIE!”
The duel was the best out of any star wars duel.
Darth vader, luke, and sideous: am I a joke to you
TheOnly One yes it was a joke compared to this battle
drpacman579 it’s was the worst sword fight ever. Just twirling around
Tou Xiong stfu 12 year old
Obi Wan vs Maul final fight on Tatooine.
Anakin lost because Obi-Wan isn't a 4-year-old youngling.
Spinning Back Side Kick
Every Jedi master in the Jedi Temple: *am I a joke to you?*
I literally laughed out loud to this 😂
What if one of those 4 year olds was the true sith lord and he fucked anakin up? :o theres your twist
Damn you just burned Vader.
"Oh you tough when they're four huh"
Would have been pretty funny if as soon as Anakin jumped Obi-Wan just force pushed him into the lava.
It would be funny af. But every force user has some kind of a force feild around them,almost always protecting the user from other useres trying out the force on them.
bajsejdaj Yeah that's right.. That's why the sith don't just force choke the jedi.. until they're weakened that is
+bajsejdaj I can't tell if you're joking or not, but that is absolutely not true.
SW Theory brought it up in one of his earlier videos too. And like i said,ALMOST always. There are exceptions.
Yeah I did that lots of times in videogames such as Jedi Academy ^.^
Obi-wan literally beats every bad guy one on one while hanging off a ledge.
Obi Wan: master of both the high ground and the low ground.
@@cawre but lost in Episode IV when it was a level playing field. He's the master of 2/3 scenarios. Not bad.
Obi-Wan is a master of defense, and any good defender would tell you the importance of elevation.
@@laythadrian5705 he didnt lose tho, he wanted Vader to strike him down, that way he could always be with Luke and be stronger with the force. I do believe that he would've lost if the duel was to continue
He lost to plot.. all he had to do was jump to the side
Best lightsaber duel ever.
But to me it was Obi-Wan’s cleverness that got the best of Anakin, not so much the “high ground”. I believe Anakin had enough power to probably clear 3 times that height. It’s just that Obi-Wan knew how arrogant Anakin was. He was his Master after all, thru out the clone wars he is constantly reminding Anakin to not be so rash and to think things thru and not to rely on his strength anole. He knew his weakness so he baited him but at the same time hoping that he wouldn’t fall for it. In the end Obi-Wan was a warrior of the light who was incorruptible. He didn’t let His relationship with Anakin cloud his mind, he saw an opening and he struck.
Cleverness led to that tactical advantage ;) As well as to holding his own against the Chosen One fully devoured by the Dark Side, at his absolutely all time strongest. Just like with Grevious and Maul, Obi was outmatched and driven to a seemingly hopeless situation but he never gave up and eventually got a win by a scratch. A truly inspiring character.
Stfu he won cause he had the high ground
The one u r soooooo right
High ground!!!
Well the height difference didn’t matter as much as the fact that there *was* a height difference, I believe. In general, if you’re in the air, your movements become much much easier to predict, and react to, because there’s so much less you can do. On the ground, you can move in any direction, but once you’re in the air, you have to follow through on the arc you chose, with minor deviations.
Training and skill beats raw talent every time. Also high ground.
lilahk95 the ONLY reason obi wan walked off that rock alive is because he trained Anakin from a young age. He knew his every move and when he was going to make it
Depends how long you train, raw talent can be a skill.
that doesn't apply here, Anakin also trained and was one of the most skilled Jedi in form 5, his worst enemy was himself.
@@hismajesty2919 Thats not raw talent then. You cant make something natural, but you can form a skill
Execute "like you 66".
Probably because he jumped directly at a lightsaber instead of literally any other spot of the bank of the lava river.
gamerguy19981 he was trying to kill him the same way obi wan killed darth maul
Michael Garrett It does not make sense. Anakin should’ve jumped anywhere else, but chose to fling himself at Obi Wan recklessly
Reasons why anakin was rėtårded 😒😒
@@Rtmmms Welcome to the dark side, where things don't make sense.
Tidal Gaming Ikr? In real life people never make stupid decisions.
Qui Gon didn’t get tired, Maul just pulled out a cheap move. It’s in legends
Maul was there to kill regardless of respect.
Yeah Maul stunned him with a hit to the chin with his lightsabre and felt guilty about it after.
What legends comic or book?
@@mrsigmagrinder8737 actually it is not that dirty even professionals can use hilt to attack.
Vibhu Sharma B- 20 Maul is a professional duelist.
*The High Ground is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.*
Because the Originals would have been really awkward if he hadn’t
Okay this is going to be a new theory, just hear me out...
Anakin had the Low Ground.
And you call that a theory?
That's a fact my friend lol.
🤣
This is very logical
God Gus r/whoosh
See what you did there, i do
Because Anakin "tried it" when Obi-Wan told him specifically not to.
Star Wars Theory: Why did Anakin lose to Obi-Wan?
The High Ground: Am I a joke to you?
this is my favorite lightsaber duel
Arnaldo López agree even with that high ground
Nah Duel of the Fates is easily the most memorable of the prequels...
Zukulent Mike honestly in my opinion the duel between Dooku and Anakin in the dark in episode 2 was very cool, very underrated duel in the saga.
Danny Inoa
Well that's your opinion but the count dooku wasn't as badass in the movies as he was in the videogames or in the TV shows...(well at least that's me, his actor looks kind of overweight, meanwhile in the clone wars both 2003 and 2008 or the videogames he looks just better) And I know that's his physical appearance in everything else he looks better.
Zukulent Mike well what do you expect ? Christopher Lee was getting very old and his health was starting to deteriorate and I respectfully disagree with you, everyone feels that Lee's count dooku was very underrated and badass, he whipped Anakin and obiwans ass like it was nothing, he even went stalemate with Yoda.
As for the cartoon of course Dooku is better, its a cartoon for christ sake, the technology is better.
I think you’re selling Obi-Wan short. Remember he MASTERED Soresu. The defensive form. DEFENSIVE. As he did with Grevious, Kenobi could have stayed defensive until Anakin tired out. (Yeah I know, Grevious didn’t tire out, he was a cyborg). Look how many strikes per second Kenobi deflected from Grevious, no one else could do that. So Obi-Wan stays on the defensive, Anakin being Anakin would get more pissed off that he hadn’t yet been able to get through Obi-Wan’s defenses, more pissed off that even though he was “the chosen one” and a sith he hadn’t yet defeated Obi-Wan, he would have eventually done something stupid (like trying a basic Ataru flip over Obi-Wan 😑) and left himself open to a slick move from Kenobi. I believe that no matter where the battle ended up, each person being who they were, the outcome would be the same. Anakin’s arrogance would still have caused him to lose. Obi-Wan, being the master of defense, would have kept doing his thing, and though it was killing him emotionally, would have kept that cool head of his and waited for Anakin to get “too big for his britches” and leave an opening that Kenobi could exploit. You said it yourself, Obi-Wan was the THINKER, Anakin the act first-think later type. Do I think Anakin was better than Obi-Wan in skill? Yes. If you just base it on ability and how strong in the force each was. But if you go by strategy, long term planning, being/staying focused on the task, and adding in Kenobi’s mastery of Soresu, then no. Obi-Wan wins. The smart fighter wins over the aggressive but short sighted fighter. I hate when people don’t give Obi-Wan the credit he deserves. This is all just my opinion. I’m cool with other people having a different opinion. That’s what makes these things so fun and interesting to debate. I like getting to maybe see something I never noticed before. And yes, I’m a total Obi-Wan forever kinda girl. 😁
Kat Kenobi feel you on this
Brains over brawn
Oh you 're a girl? I'm impressed. The entire time I was reading this totally rational comment I thought you were a guy
Kinky Nothing I don’t know if I should laugh at your comment or punch you, lol. Yes, I’m a girl. Yes, I love Star Wars and yes I can have rational thoughts about it.
@@katkenobi6765 you tell him! XD
Bottom line - Kenobi was smarter.
Well, he is the master. Anakin's problem was his EGO.
More like he had the plot on his side. Obi Wan was already destined to live, Anakin was already destined to become Vader. The outcome was never in doubt. You don’t have to be very smart for your opponent to jump straight into your lightsaber, not to mention that Anakin was more than capable of jumping far higher than he did, but his jump had to be nerfed so he could be put the suit. I can’t help but wonder what would’ve happened had the movies been made in chronological order...
@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 Kenobi was smarter, more experienced and more in control of himself. These are factors you can't just ignore in a fight; they're as much, if not more important as physical/Force power, especially when lethal weapons are involved. This wasn't plot armor at all.
He was too emotional and overconfident. Obi also trained him and knew all his flaws. Obi was older but NOT Old still very much in his prime. Mentally he had the edge that made up for the any physical gap..
dbreiden83080 he couldn’t beat him the next time though cause his old ass couldn’t move lol
@@yoshiwaffles6682 Except that George Lucas revealed that Ob-Wan was stronger than Vader in their fight on the Death Star
@@daddydino4231 Isn't that because Obi Wan used much of his time meditating and focusing on the Force and all Vader did was destroy and spread his hatred? Kenobi would have had no chance of becoming a Force Ghost if he didn't deepen his connection to the Force.
@@daddydino4231 Finally someone that makes sense, tired of these star wars fans not knowing what POTENTIAL means. Jesus.
Vader was not trained in the Dark side or experienced in the force at this moment, why would he be stronger than Obiwan?
But also the advantage of having a slightly more elevated geographical point, giving you more power and speed. TL;DR High ground=win
Obiwan is the high ground
NOT. YET.
Darth Maul is red
Grievous is pacing
Qui gon is dead
Now this is pod racing
Jamiepman best poem 10/10 2017
stan broniszewski you're right professor putricide
😅
(Slow clapping which turns into thunderous applause)
The best duel in history and my favorite episode!
What if Luke killed himself with the lightsaber in A New Hope?
*Handed most dangerous weapon in the galaxy* "I should point this right at my face!"
Jasper do you mean accidentally or no?
😂
actually the most dangerous weapon at that moment was the death star
jenny talia Only because the high ground wasn't being of use.
He had the high ground, deal with it nerds.
Fuck you
Gyst .... whats the meaning of "high ground". Does it mean the obvious? Sorry to ask... i havent really seen all the movies yet
basically - superior positioning
Thnx guys. With the kind of fame that the dialogue got.. i thought perhaps it metaphorically meant obi wan won coz he had higher moral values than anakin or something or that sort. Lol... can't believe something so obvious bcam so viral😀
Riy99 Bl Obi wan would still beat Skywalker even without the high ground for two main reasons:
1. Skywalker was powerful but Obi wan was the wiser one and knows the technique of his ex padawan and vice versa.
2. The dark side has a flaw when given to much anger which Anakin had in spades on Mustafar and his ego gushed out thinking he surpassed Obi but Obi was always more skilled and had a tendency to use his environment as an asset to fight which is seen in most of his fights against General Grievous in the Clone Wars. Having the high ground was literally fighting Obi wan un his own terms which Skywalker in his ego failed to see until his legs gave him that shock of reality.
Obi-Wan: “Anakin Chancellor Palpatine is evil!”
Anakin: “that’s like, just your opinion man”
*while jumping to Obi-Wan from the platform*
Beverage man! Don't spill the beverage!
Lmaooo... the sith abides.. man
But from his POV jedi are evil
Anakin during his rebellious phase is terrifying. D:
@NAS
Well, Anakin was a Jedi after all.
I think obi wan knowing anakin's fighting style knew that he'd be losing ground for a lot of the fight. Obi wan used the environment to limit anakin's aggression such as the narrow hallways, balancing on the bridge, and getting to cover from the lava.
I think Obi wan would know better than to handle a skywalker in a hallway... 😅
Great point! I always thought that too, after they had force pushed each other in the control room where Anakin had killed the Separatists, was the point to me Obiwan realized that he couldn’t continue to let it be a total offensive onslaught for Anakin to let him push the pace in open space, as soon enough he would tire and his apprentice could make the killer blow. But rather slow it down and make it a more tactical and mental battle, (jumping to the Bridge, getting the high ground (the 1st time before the platform drops into the lava, and jumping onto the platform and getting up River before the waterfall drop off. Obiwan adapted as the fight went on and made it a chess match of experience whereas Anakin was so blinded by rage it eventually cost him the battle with his arrogance.
If you go into the lore you actually get a really good explanation: Anakin often studied his Masters techniques from their lives via security footage since he's a great tech prodigy. He found surveillance video of a young Kenobi fighting Darth Maul and even asked him how he accomplished his death strike on the fallen Sith from such a disadvantageous position.
In short Obiwan knew Anakin would try that very maneuver against him as he recognized the similarities in their positions at the end of their duel on Mustafar.
Even in the cartoon Ben Kenobi feinted Darth Maul into a similar position to force Maul into using a similar strike used to kill Quigon Jinn.
TLDR: Obi-Wan Kenobi is such a great swordsman that he can make you position yourself right where he needs you to be.
Obi wan is underrated and can contend with yoda dooku and mace
@@masterchief5833 Except he lost to Dooku. Twice.
Dooku's style counter Obi Wan hard. Yoda is much more potent with the Force. And as for Windu, with his ultra agressive fighting style, Obi Wan can actually stall the guy out
Obi wan is one of the best swordsman jedi. And is under rated.
@@hoanganphanle in the original lore, dooku won the first time because at that point, obiwan had only switched to his preferred Form 3 lightsabre combat for couple of years and haven't really mastered it. By Revenge of Sith, obiwan and anakin tricked Dooku into thinking they were still pretty far behind in terms of lightsabre combat. But dooku was caught off guard when they finally switched it up a notch, with Obiwan showing his perfect mastery of Form 3. Dooku was shooked because he couldn't get pass Obiwan's simple yet impenetrable defensive lighrsabre moves. In the book, dooku noted how obiwan perfectly yet so minimally and precisely block all his attacks. Seeing this he had no choice but to use the force to knock him out because he had no idea how to beat him and Anakin was coming back up to support Obiwan. He got rid of Obiwan with the force quickly because he knew if they joined forces seriously, he stand no chance at all.
Max Low I love the little details in the books. So good.
Obi-Wan used Sand Attack.
Anakin’s accuracy was decreased!
Anakin used Fly.
Anakin missed!
Obi-Wan used Slash.
Anakin fainted!
Instead of him fainting it should say
“Anakin is paralyzed and is unable to move!”
@@jxdnYT dosn't work with slash
FirstArchon yeah true
This is hilarious
Not Sand attack... it clearly was Taunt
“Your over-confidence is your weakness” “your faith in your friends is yours” ...”dude I’m Obi Wan Kenobi, you’re literally my only friend”
That quote is from Return of the Jedi? Or am I missing something?
TomB1426 Palpatine in return of the Jedi to Luke, I believe.
@Jetrules231 Surely, you mean Rex?
FROM THE DINER lol I just realized
Only one kenobi
Obi-Wan knew Anakin would get frustrated as the duel went on. The longer Obi-Wan was alive the more careless Anakin would get in his attempt to kill him and that carelessness lead to his dismemberment.
I think the main reason he won was because he was in a clearer state of mind when he was fighting, staying much calmer
@CornTreason Plebs He had the high ground both physically and mentally.
It’s because Obi-Wan taught Anakin. He trained and raised him from a young age. If he hadn’t have done that Anakin would have killed him
True, anger can help you deliver power sometimes in a fight, but it's absolutely worthless when it comes to strategy and tactics.
this basically says “some may say it was the arrogance of anakin and the high ground, but...it was yeah it was arrogance and the high ground.”
It'sa over Ani! Meesa has the highlowmiddlesa ground!
Jar Jar Binks my lord Darth Jar jar
I've always maintained that it was more than just having the high ground that led to Anakin's loss, though Anakin's impatience in response to Obi-Wan's taunt contributed. But Anakin's weakness, which led him to the dark side, was his inability to release attachments.
Obi-Wan beat Maul, who'd had much higher ground over him than he had over Anakin, so that couldn't really be dispositive. But Anakin (at that point) really did NOT want to kill Obi-Wan...he was conflicted. He sabotaged himself, unconsciously, or at least held back, (perhaps imagining that Obi-Wan would not actually kill him in that situation).
But Obi-Wan was a master of detachment, in the Jedi fashion...he was even able to let go of his own life when the time came. He could maim his best friend, his "brother", if it was necessary, and leave him for dead, burned and suffering. Anakin, at that time, with his attachments and loyalties, was unable to bring his full rage and hatred to bear against Obi-Wan (his eyes weren't yellow at that moment, remember), and Obi-Wan was able to capitalize on that hesitancy, even though Anakin had easily beaten Dooku after Dooku had easily beaten Obi-Wan. After that, though, Anakin truly came to hate Obi-Wan, which is understandable. Only as he's about to burn and saying, "I hate you!" do his eyes go yellow. Had he been in that state when attacking Obi-Wan at the end, with pure hatred, he would have won, high ground be damned.
I have spoken.
100% correct now I dont have to write it
That’s what I’ve been saying for so long, Anakin was totally holding back against Obi-Wan. I think there was even a part of him that hoped that it he could just make Obi-Wan realize the hypocrisy of the council, that they might still find a way to reconcile. That’s why he held back. There’s literally a moment quite early in the duel when Anakin has an easy kill shot with Obi-Wan’s back turned. Against any other opponent, he would not hesitate to take that kill, but he couldn’t bring himself to let Obi-Wan go, he wanted, needed, him alive, so he could expose the wrongdoings of the Jedi, explain how they had both been duped. But of course, Obi-Wan wouldn’t listen, and after that, the outcome was sealed.
I think Anakin may have even slightly lost the will to go on fighting at that point. He felt so betrayed that Obi-Wan would choose the Jedi over him after all their years of friendship, that he couldn’t focus on the battle anymore, and this is why he jumped so weakly straight into Obi-Wan’s lightsaber when he was more than capable of jumping over it.
@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 Hear hear
obi wan was someone who could of defeated anakin. yes anakin thought the jedi were evil and never saw the lie that palpatine put on anakin. regardless, we can say that anakins rage and ireogance is what cost him his leg and arm...but what if anakin lost because he didnt tap into the dark side like he should of? i made a video similar to this one but goes over and explains things a bit different and dives into them more in depth....check it out if you wish👇
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Eh. I agree that early on he wasn’t trying to kill him. He was probably trying to get him to see his convictions. Anakin didn’t turn on the dark side all the way until he jumped on the same vessel as obi. Even jumping from the smaller one to the bigger one should’ve ended the fight for him, being so close in distance. But then anakin says, after obi truly picks his side, that it is over for him. He feels the dark side now flowing through his veins, and the whole time he was going easy. The next thing that happens is they lock light sabers and Anakin goes for the kill shot, it’s obi that realizes that, and uses his intelligence to flip off of the vessel. And that makes Anakin super angry. He almost had him. That anger blinds his judgment. Just like it did to sidious at the end of 6. Remember he would’ve been able to sense vaders betrayal but he didn’t because he was going nuts with the dark side lightning. So same thing happened to Anakin. His rage over shadowed his judgment. Remember he thought he could over throw the sidious right then and there, which he couldn’t. Sidious was more powerful than him at that time. I chalk this one up completely to arrogance.
"the only father figure he had ever known" I have to disagree on this point because Obi Wan was his father figure. While it could be argued he was more of a brother, I day he was both. Depending on the situation. Otherwise great video!
palpatine was a father figure too, atleast his favourite uncle
Qui-Gon is a close second
obiwan is more of a brother than a father
Qui Gon was too short a relationship ... but clearly Obi Won was and even Master Yoda to some extent.
Brother in arms, as it were.
*HIGH GROUND*
Obi-wan had the high ground
so did darth maul
NOW YOU HAVE THE LAVA GROUND!
AND he had... the MORAL high ground. Star wars prequels: Layers. Subtlety. Sophistication.
im surprised at how none of them tried to Fpush each other into the river
My two cents:
1) in another video's comments someone mentioned that it was written in the script that during the duel Obi-Wan had several opportunities to strike Anakin down and he wouldn't. He tried to find moments to reason. Funnily enough if you review the fight scene by scene like Shadiversity did, you find several moments in which Anakin presents his unguarded back to Obi-Wan. (in all fairness, Obi-Wan also does this now and then)
2) right before the infamous high ground scene, Anakin performs the same jump to get onto Obi-Wan's platform. Obi-Wan swings at him twice but missing due to Anakin staying out of reach. Then in the high ground scene, the distance between the two is much larger horizontally and vertically. Anakin performs the same move but isn't able to stay out of Obi-Wan's reach like he did before.
So imagine the scene before, Obi-Wan says, don't try it, Anakin's makes the jump and laughs, you underestimate my power. Then they hack at each other. Followed by the high ground scene. Obi-Wan says, don't try it, it won't work this time. Now Anakin laughs again, goes for it, and gets slashed down. Would it make more sense?
Life In Mono I’ve never seen those details! It’s true, kenobi was just testing him at some points of the fight
Life In Mono anakin>>obi wan. That’s a fact
@@jordanverdun3522 Interesting definition of "fact" you go with
Anakins style is countering, so obiwan wouldn't always be drawn in for the easy kill, that what anakin wanted
I know this is a late response, but do you know which parts in particular are the ones where Anakin lets down his ground for a bit, great comment btw
Imperial: Have you heard of the High Elves?
Obi-Wan: *Have you heard of the High Ground?*
Paul Mann IV it’s a Jedi legend
I think Obi-Wan's use of his beard caused the midichlorians in Anakin's body to dissipate for a short period of time.
Lord Porcupine lol
Alone Mike it's comedy, lighten up
Never put together that obi wan kills anakin in a very similar way as he kills maul. That's good writing and choreography. Episode 3 is underrated.
This battle truly shows the sith and Jedi, and how in the end it is the sith's drive for more power that leads to their demise.
Jay Subbiah Eeeexcept Jedi are arogant fools who believe the same teachings will always work no matter how much they fail.
Truth is, they don't teach them about the sith as well, while the sith know all about the jedi.
Information = power
Antaraxia They wanted to completely erase the sith, I think but that apparently backfired.
@@Aralakh919 teaching about the dark side would lead to more sith than Jedi, since the dark side is much more overwhelming than their minds. It isn't arrongace, it's caution. Those Jedi who face the dark side and decide NOT to turn are much more disciplined than any sith.
Wisdom = Power
Either that or that the good guys have to win in Hollywood
I love the fact that they had the high ground scene. Perfect showcase of his arrogance and how it ultimately doomed him to his miserable fate. And it was so brutal. I loved the duel at the time and I still do now but for some reason I can't figure out while the lightsaber duels in the games are 1000X more epic than the movies. Whyyyyyy could we not have gotten some footage of Sith Anakin doing so much more epic shit. The saber fight was the best with Obi Wan but they need to showcase Anakin/Vaders awesomeness way more. More Vader+Anakin+Obi Wan+Yoda = Better Movies. It's simple math no matter how you add it up! To hell with Han Solo lol
Realest comment I've seen I refuse to see Solo
It's not that simple. A cool thing in a movie, be that cuteness, funny lines, great fights, has to be dosed in a way that you feel like wanting more of it. Because if there's more than that, it get's, if not boring, than at least normal, average, and viewers won't feel as hyped about it any more.
Volkbrecht for a normal viewer who is just getting to know star wars well u might be true but to diehard star wars fans its like a dream come true for sure kinda thing hahah😜
Simply put... technology issues. In a game it is easier to make awesome powers and strength and speed and impossible feats. In movies (and where actors are used) it is harder to create believable feats like that. Specially old people fighting, which happens so often in comics and animation series. Just like Dumbledor role was smaller in the books. The role of Obi Wan, Vader and Palpatine (and more) had to be diminished since it would require editing technology that even now we do not have
"Only this time, it was real." That brought tingles to my spine
This duel gives me chills every time
Wish the Jedi’s would come back I don’t like the new movies. This is the real shit right here
Sleepy Sleep I would like a movie before the Phantom Menace where you saw the Jedi culture and the Sith Lord that Sidious referenced to Anakin in Episode 3 also seeing young Yoda.
Trumptaro Kujo hey that’s a good idea too broski
I think Darth Plageus? has a book but a movie would be nice, his story joining the dark side is quite different than Vader's
Fr!!! We need a prime republic movie with the two main characters being yoda and a padwan quigon Jin!!
That sounds manageable!!!!
Or a darth maul movie would be pretty sick to!
@@sm6126 I would love a one off movie mixing his training with him going around the galaxy slaughtering/ assassinating people
Roses are red
The earth is round
It's over anakin
I have the high ground
😂
jared splatt dude ur a god
It's obvious! Obi-Wan had the high ground
Senate Who are you
Robert Adamék *I AM THE SENATE!* >:v
No shit dude
Fa11en Dawn Not. Yet.
“You underestimate my power” is still one of the funniest quotes in all of Star Wars.
I always wished that Anakin had said, “Don’t make me destroy you!” to Obi-wan before their duel, instead of “Don’t make me kill you!” It was the perfect setup to tie into Vader saying it to Luke.
I would like to point something out from having read the entire Jedi Apprentice series, you have made an important omission in characterizing Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan was an EXTREMELY aggressive, dominating and powerful warrior. He wasn’t allowed to duel younglings his own age after a certain point and was nearly expelled from the order for failing to attract a Master to take him as a padawan, because he was so aggressive and hot headed. In dueling, he focused on absolute domination of his opponent, master Yoda noting to Qui-Gon, while trying to convince him to take Obi-Wan as a padawan, that he would often forgo opportunities to win a duel technically for the opportunity to continue to rain down upon his already well subdued opponent. At the time that Obi-Wan took the trials, he had been with Qui-Gon for many years, and had benifited from Qui-Gon’s influence tremendously, many of his rougher edges smoothed down by experience and Qui-Gon’s wisdom, yet we still see a cocksure, mouthy, hostile character in Phantom Menace, the remnants of the smoldering warrior mentality of Obi-Wan’s youth.
In the series, Obi-Wan is portrayed similarly to Anakin in the Prequels, he is shown as physically capable, and rescues Qui-Gon often at the tip of a lightsaber. So while true that he was much less force sensitive and intuitive, I don’t think it was an accident that Obi-Wan was able to defeat Darth Maul in single combat while Qui-Gon failed, he has the aggressive and willingly self destructive tendencies of a warrior, rushing into battle unconcerned for safety, with only the desire to strike in his heart. Anakin’s better performance against Count Dookoo had more to do with Dookoo’s success in manipulating poor dumb Obi-Wan than his ability to defeat him outright with a lightsaber, and he had several situational advantages against Windu as well... Just wanted to provide a bit of my own context on this, but I really don’t think many Jedi, as they are shown as kind of complacent and lacking their historical mojo, have a definitive advantage against Obi-Wan in a fair one on one fight...
Underated essay
MJ Hdev this
So when Obi gets killed by Vader, Obi was just too old? Or was he doing some destiny type stuff?
Dyegsits W He didn’t get killed tho
Dyegsits W Its a matter of opinion, but if you watch the scene where Vader cuts him down, Obiwan pretty clearly has a sudden thought, and decides to allow Vader to end him. At least it looks that way to me...
Obi-Wan was a master, Anakin was just on the counsel
Thats what he needs to think about!
I believe Obi-Wan had the "FATHER/SON" advantage. He was basically like an older brother or father to Anakin. So in that role he got to watch Anakin from a young child....all his tendencies....all his mistakes....all his weaknesses. This combined fatherly instincts with wisdom make him basically the BEST to defeat Anakin. Obviously the arrogance and high ground helped as well.
Roses are red,
BB-8 is round,
It’s over Anakin,
I have the high ground,
Captain Hockey#87 love it
wow nice rime
This is great
Before I didn’t really get “the high ground” but after watching this video, I began to understand. Anakin wanted to prove to Obi-Wan and himself that he was as good as his master. Yes, he believed that he was the superior one from the bottom of his heart, but he was constantly under the control of Obi-Wan. (Like we saw in AotC) He was never seen as better than Obi-Wan even though he was obviously more powerful. He wanted to do the same thing Obi-Wan did to Darth Maul; so that he can prove to his master that he wasn’t worse, that he was equal- or maybe better.
The high ground scene wasn’t a physical fight, but more like a symbolic fight.
I couldn’t explain my point well, but eh, English isn’t my native language.
/Ada/ Slothland nah bro , he wanted to kill him , plain and simple , (granted , deep down there must have been some emotional conflict about that) given their history as bro’s/comrades who had each others backs throughout most or each others lives
I agree with both killing and high ground. In legends, maul only became a sith after Palpatein saw he was willing to kill his master. This is a big turning point in anakin to the dark side as he wanted to kill his own master, without any remorse or fear. Just pure hatred.
This duel is my favorite scene in star wars because its the bridge bw the two trilogies and the culmination of 30 years of buildup essentially
It also has a fantastic score and excellent choreography
Its my fav scene from any movie
rochae 03 and then we get the rematch in the 4th movie between a robot and an old man 😂😂😂😭
Brenden Styre yeah but it it was surprising that obi wan was 43 at that time. So in my point of view he isn’t that much of an old man
Lunar Kin he was only 43 in a new hope? No way??
@@brendenstyre4784 He's 38 in revenge of the Sith, New hope is 20 yrs later making Obi Wan 58. Kinda an old man I suppose
Lunar Kin no it’s Anakin that was 43 not Kenobi. Kenobi was around 50 to 60 in "A New Hope"
I think because of Obi-Wan's lack of force power he focused on swordsman ship and strategy to make up for it. During their battle Anikan may have been the aggressor the whole time but due to Obi-Wan's defensive style he played in to Obi-Wan's hands thinking he was winning. Also playing into his ego. Giving up ground to feed it. Then telling Anikan after gaining and pushing him back so far you can't beat me. Thats when Anikan lost all since and fell for "the high ground"
Padawan? Pada-lost.
not Putin Pada is lit
Padawan Kenobi
putin you to sleep
Mustafar? Musta-close
I love the prequels
And I love democracy
Lord Petar I was about to say that 😂
Definitely the best lightsaber battle of the entire saga. I agree with your assessment, just like maul Vader's arrogance is what led to his defeat. I think Obiwan knew that by telling him not to try the jump he would in fact virtually guarantee that he would do it enabling him to finish the fight and beat Vader.
Joseph Parker: difficult to tell. I always thought Obe really didn’t want him to jump.
Perhaps a bit of both.
If he Jumps, Obi wins.
If he doesn't perhaps he calms down and get through to him.
Do it! No balls
@@Carlos-fh8wk It's both. Picture it this way. That was in theory Obi-Wan's last chance to end it given the surroundings that he had. Yes sloped ground but for the most part open so the acrobatic aggressive form of Anakin would have the upper hand. Yes Obi-Wan being the master of Soresu could outlast him but that's a roll of the dice.
Obi-Wan knew he had to end it so he played into Anakin's arrogance. What the Original video didn't cover was Obi-Wan's slight breakdown after. Yelling you were the chosen one kinda shows his irritation and sadness.....but it's not until he says in a normal voice "You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you." That you truly can grasp that earlier when he said don't try it.....he really didn't want him to.
Referring to the voice it's like when your parents yell at you cause they are mad versus speaking with you when they are disappointed. Which one hits home more.
I think he didn't want him to do it more than wanting him to. But he was both for sure.
Joseph Parker ... the ultimate Jedi Mind trick on another (former) Jedi. To quote Tobias Beckett speaking to Chewbacca, "Think. You wanna make that move? You wanna make that move? Ok, you made that move"
(Almost four years late to the party, but had to comment)
Excellent and insightful breakdown. I really enjoy your videos. You lay a foundation (quickly) then build off of it, an ability/gift I wish I had. If I were to do this video it would be, "Obi-Wan beat Anakin because of his wisdom and experience". But then, that wouldn't be much of a video and I wouldn't have 2.8M subscribers :-)
Keep up the great work!
With all the “power” anikan had, you think he could have jumped higher then that
Welcome to the world of Hollywood where nothing is consistent with precedents set within the movie itself.
Did neither of you watch the video? 😂 he was trying to pull off the same thing obi wan did to Maul
Matthew Crane did you read the comment? hE WaS sO PoWeRfUl, but couldn’t jump that high at all
B,leee have you been paying attention to anything that’s been said? It was done on purpose cause he’s overconfident.
Jos yeah a “plot hole” that has an sensible explanation established in the first movie of the trilogy. Okay bud 💀😂
"The only father figure he ever had."
Obi Wan: Am I joke to you?
Obi wan more like an older brother figure instead of father I think
Obi wan was more a brother to anakin he said that himself
El Negrito true, but to quote Anakin, he said in AOTC, “don’t say that master, your the closest thing I have to a father”
Rahmat Umar you’re dumb I think
Shane Ewing obi said you were like a brother to me
Don't Underestimate my power.
*Cuts his arms and limbs
You were the chosen one!
you were supposed to bring peace to the galaxy
I HATE YOU!!
You were my brother Anakin, I loved you...
As a kid I always hated that Anakin lost.. not sure why. Although I know it was for the betterment of the series I just love Anakins story and character I wanted him to win that fight scene
I didn't want him won but i I didn't want him lose his potential that what made this fight kinda ehhh
That wasnt really anakin by then. Vader lost the fight
Me: *sees this video*
"Anakin lost because he didn't have the high ground"
*scrolls down to comment then notices that's been commented 1,000 times*
Anakin tried to actually JUMP OVER obi wan. that was why obi wan said "don't try it". The move Anakin was attempting wasn't a psychotic rage filled corkscrew like Palpatine pulled off, it was a very common Form IV flip move that most jedi of that era commonly used in combat. Being that the move was so basic, Anakin was arrogant enough to even think that simple of a flip was gonna work in the manner he was trying to use it. Look closely, notice... he could've EASILY landed down hill and faked obi wan THEN flipped over obi wan while they were closer together.... He wanted to literally use the most common Ataru flip move used in history just as a final "fuck you" to obi wan... Obi Wan wasn't having that. Anakin woulda landed too close in the first place even if he landed over Obi-Wan. He was destined to fail the minute he jumped regardless of how Obi-Wan went about handling such a predictable and basic move.
I like your explanation of Anaking being arrorant and blind by rage
Lava lake?! Situational awareness, it was just stupid.
When you try to BM your opponent and they make a comeback
Yes very indeed, if his arrogance and lust for power got to his head, he could've at least jump to the shore.
Larry Burne no it was the same move obi wan did to darth maul that’s why he said don’t try it because obi wan studied his dual with maul for years
Because he had the low ground.
It's treason then...
*Uses the power of the dark side to bring Sidious back to life* ANNIE, WHY YOUSA DO THAT TO MY APPRENTICE?
Th-thank you, Master Jar Jar. Lord Vader shall be punished for this.
Yousa need not worry my apprentice. Messa know Annie's weakness. img.ifcdn.com/images/0e0940b2b4f8fa8b8eb50afbf2bf3a37cb0ca84556df61a665b93932e0ec82e1_3.jpg
*Turns into a force ghost to harass you for eternity* Annie, look. Yousa not gonna believe it. Messa all sparkly glowy! Now wessa gonna have so much time to spend together! I LOVE YOU, ANNIE! YAAH! ANNIEEEE!!!
Awesome stuff, I think Anakin was extremely emotionally unstable at the time too. Maybe a more composed version like the one that faced Dooku would have tagged Obi!
obi wan was someone who could of defeated anakin. yes anakin thought the jedi were evil and never saw the lie that palpatine put on anakin. regardless, we can say that anakins rage and ireogance is what cost him his leg and arm...but what if anakin lost because he didnt tap into the dark side like he should of? i made a video similar to this one but goes over and explains things a bit different and dives into them more in depth....check it out if you wish👇
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Obiwan: “I have the high ground!”
Obiwan: “Don’t try it.”
Anakin: tries it
Anakin: limbless.
Obiwan:
*I WHOOP YA HEAD BOI*
*YA KNOW THAT I WILL.*
With the back of the steel
Dauda András hushhhh bud.
2 Jedis in the front
2 Jedis in the back
I think Kenobi was far better duelist in terms of strategy. He was wiser and calmed, always thinking before rushing. Of course being THE MASTER of Soreesu helped a great deal in defending Anakin's relentless attacks while he waited for him to make a mistake .... and he did.
Kenobi outmatched Skywalker in experience !!!!
i wouldn't say obi wan Is a better duelist I think he is good tactician. The reason why obi wan relied on soresu s because he knew if he fought Anakin in a straight up fight he would eventually lose and hats why he was in the defensive. And I do think if the fight continued on land obi wan would eventually lose.
Lmao dude kenobi is in NO WAY shape of form a better duelist than Anakin. He was the greatest lightsaber combatant there was. You're an idiot he was also the MASTER of form 5 as Obi was of form 3. Just ask Dooku about that..... and form 5 was literally created to counter form 3, The lack of offense it had spawned the strongest offensive form of all the styles. Which Anakin, with the strongest force connection in existence, completely mastered. He was all about the offensive. They were polar opposites when it came to their fighting styles, it's an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.
Daz Skywalker92 yup anakin just doesn't think he just has so much anger when fighting which obi wan a advantage
Kai Thomas he said in TERMS of strategy
And y’all anakin suckers at heart obi wan Was smarter and experienced Because experience beats talent in this fight clearly proves that
Don't forget that Obi Wan had also mastered Ataru, and he mastered dual blade combat as well. He did not rely on only Soresu, rather he mixed the forms together and created his own style. This is not unusual, to master Vapaad a jedi must master all other forms of lightsaber styles before studying Vapaad itself.
Thats true, obi wan did also train under mace windu
Wait Obi Wan Kenobi Mastered the dual bladed lightsaber (maul)? What about 2 lightsabers like in the clone wars where he took on Maul an Savage
He didn’t master Ataru but was still very good at it as well as Jar kai
Silas Pierre no he meant dual wielding which is its own form called jar kai
Although, you can argue anakin was stronger in the force, anakin was impatient. Obi-wan is THE master of the style Soresu. He was patient. Once he found a spot he could attack, he hit it