Not embarrassing but revealing because the more Adam does this stuff the more viewers such as yourself and me see through his BS and the fact that Adam simply brings absolutely nothing of value to this podcast and PBD needs to cut him loose sooner rather than later.
@@MichaelEWinklerthat's why I think they should get rid of him cause he brings nothing of "value" to #value tainment. It's not just a pun it's actually the truth. I like puns:-). Well you missed an opportunity to say it in the form of a pun but I did you a favor by doing it for you:-). I like PBD a lot. Seems like a well adjusted person 😎 but I don't like Adam whatsoever 🙃. I just find him very ignorant, and too annoying for my taste when it comes to the host or co-host of a podcast, talk show, or radio 😑. It doesn't fit in any of those jobs 😑. In my opinion he should just stick to doing regular jobs. I can't wait to hear all the triggered Adam seismic fanboys come at me LOL 😑:-).
As someone who agrees with some of Tates messages, she was completely right on this topic. Adam made zero sense and was clearly talking as a bachelor. I’ve always agreed with PBD but she’s right when she told PBD he wouldn’t like that message for his daughter so how could he like it for all of society?
When it comes down to it BPD will shill whatever he thinks is good for his business. These people are not principled people, they are about attention, adverts and money. BPD claims he's a Christian. I smell bullshit.
He’s more than a partner, he’s a friend and a voice of a different point of view. We need to hear from eachother if you agree or disagree and it’s always important to hear from those that have a different world view from your own.
TRUST FAM ADAM SOSNICK IS A WEIZEL AND AN ANDREW TATE SYMPATHISER PLACING HIM AT THE HALFWAY MARK OF RAPEY ANDREW AND TRISTEN TATE ARE LITERALLY RAPEY AND IF THERE WAS NO LAW I GUARANTEE THEYD HAPPILY RAPE WOMEN ITS CLEAR TO SEE HOW DISGUSTINGLY LOW THEY THINK...... OH AND ALSO THE TATE BROTGER RELIGION OF CHOICE IS RAPEY ASWEL....... THE WORST RELIGION IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. TATES ARE DISGUSTING JIHAD IS DISGUSTING NUFF SAID
@@TheRealCrimdor NO DUDE ITS WORSE THEN JUST BEING VARIED ADAM SOSNICK ALWAYS TALKS TRASH AND HE BRINGS NOTHING BUT IGNORANCE AND DIGRESSION AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF MORE WORTHY VARIETY OF PEOPLE TO CHOOSE WHO WOULD BE FAR BETTER THEN THAT LITTLE WIEZEL ADAM SOSNICK
@@LeadLeftLeon it is bad if your only goal in being with the girl is to take her virginity and if You plan to dump her as soon as that happens Yea that is wrong.
Not exactly, Andrew Tate didn’t get famous from pornography (running a business similar to only fans/before only fans existed) he got famous after speaking his mind bluntly like a sledge hammer which pissed Feminists off.
Tate said you have to date them lmfao. Where is the manipulation? She’s mad because she doesn’t like the word strategy, as if dressing nice, going to a place to find girls, and maybe buying them dinner, ISNT a strategy. It’s absurd
Dude the amount of times Adam asked Liz to explain her point… cmon man, quit stalling lmao. Pat clearly explains his point and Liz actually made a fantastic point.
@@snyperghost2262 Don’t know her husband most people tend to marry within their social economic level she’s wealthy so her social circle was wealthy he’s not giving her anything she couldn’t attain herself from what I’ve seen.
Hate to say it but Adam looked incredibly ignorant in this segment. Adam: What is the most important quality you look for in a man? Liz: I look for a man that's Godly. Adam: That's just your opinion. Liz: Yeah, because you asked for my opinion. Adam: You want a Godly man, why didn't you marry a priest? Liz: Preists aren't allowed to get married, Adam. 🤣
@@GEDDY37Seriously? A man that follows God's word as in the Bible. A man who doesn't run around fornicating and values marriage and the principals of the Bible above all. Maybe you should read the Bible and use Google less.
Adam is a perfect example of how little most ppl in the modern world take the time to carefully think things through. As William James once said, "A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices."
@@i0li0il0iso what’s the false premise you claim? The video of Tristan talking about virgins is actually one of the most tame videos. There are other videos far worse and actually self incriminating. The Tates are complete garbage individuals, everything they have accomplished has been through fraud. Imagine never putting a day of real productive work in your life, manipulating women into selling their bodies, lying to them taking a larger cut of their money than you agreed to, and calling yourself a real man. That’s the Tates for you. Pimps, thieves, and fraudsters.
@@whynot1548 The Tates are like anti heroes. Good men have been rendered helpless by the thots. Your mad they aren’t Superman and Captain America. Me I’m just glad Bane and The Punisher are taking scalps.
Adam gave a good lesson on how to intentionally misrepresent your opponent in a debate because you simply want to win. Liz was 100% right on this topic. I’m a Tate fan but man… big yikes, Tristan.
I’m a Tate fan. I like a lot of what they say. But that video of Tristan was disgusting. Not at all how I would want my sons or daughters to view Sex and Marriage. I chew the meat and spit out the bones when it comes to them. Adam was biased because he tried to defend the Tates versus the ideology that they were debating. Liz just spoke directly and truthfully.
@@lightbeings6243 I’m a Tate fan. They have matured a bit, but they still absolutely make their money from vile things such as pornography and only fans. They hide it a bit more nowadays, because they know it’s disgusting. Again, I do like them but I’m not a blind idiot.
Liz is on point. As a man being Godly is a primary goal of mine. The tates, as successful as they are, have a skewed moral compass. The mix positive male messages with destructive relationship practices abd dynamics. They confuse young ment into believing personal success is related to promiscuity.
That is Liz s point which is great but there are those who don't hold that value which I think is the other side of this argument. If a girl is not seeking a godly man, she'll most likely fall pray to a playboy, but honestly, many young girls fall for the wrong guy more than not
They do have a different moral compass for sure - but they’ve done more in fighting this current battle against men being demasculinised … Liz said it herself.. now yes Godly is being important but right now the woke left has taken hold on men in society and are being attacked Tates have done more to fight that than any current ‘godly’ influencer - to think that us as men can’t distinguish the good from the bad in the Tates message (which let’s be honest a lot of it is exaggerated and is a character Tare has made as it has proven to bring the attention it has) is an insult to us. I don’t agree with a lot of what the Tates say, but I applaud that they stand up against the nonsense we are seeing in the far left and at least are bringing the fight to them.
All men want a virgin....understand that...and why?...is that the only mark of virtue?....it is much more fun to drive a car alongside of somebody who knows how to drive theirs..its safer and much more fun to go fast and race with each other...
Let me tell you something do you have any realization on the sexual marketplace in 2024?. I bet you you're over 50 saying some stupid shit like this when the average 25 year old woman has 30 bodies turn off compared to 5 for men
You could tell PBD was disappointed in Adam and his dialogue with Liz , almost like he was embarrassed to have him as a cohost. The comments don’t lie, Adam just needs to branch off and do his own podcast . We all know he is drooling to have his own version of Fresh and Fit .
PBD has cognitive dissonance when it comes to the Tates. How can you say you like a person but then use their behaviour on video to warn his daughters about potential threats (predatory behaviour) that may cause then harm. Not sure how one can like someone who admits to predatory acts, where is the line of unacceptable behaviour? …he acts like a predator to women but then helps a bunch of guys to work out so in the end it is net positive….this is a slippery slope for societies and will lead to further deterioration.
Societies cannot flourish if it is acceptable behaviour to dehumanize a cohort…initially it will seem like it is working for a set of people but it will rapidly decay into chaos. You would be basically teaching young men to become sociopaths.
@@twinkletoes6290 yes seriously I never liked what he says. PBD questions on the other hand are usually on point and addresses the issue, and his defense of tate here was much better than this Adam, and he talked 10 times less.
@@i0li0il0ihahaha nice wording but of course is deceiving, game is deceiving thats the core of game wtf are you talking about. Is it "good" or "bad" thats another topic, but of course is about deceiving... even PUAs know that game for s*x is about deceiving. Playing psycological games , push and pull, dread, etc... that is deceiving what are you talking about??? The tates argue that the more bodies a woman has is worse, but they dont care to sleep with different women without marrying them, knowing that it will be worse for those women following their logic... dont you see a problem there?? Tates became millinaries exploiting weak men vices (web cams), there are videos of the tates laughing how lonely men send them money while they were typing behind the webcam model. I like some part of the tate message, focus on yourself, improve, dont make women the center of your life,etc... those messages are good, but we dont have to pretend that the tates are hypocrites and also capitalized and became rich exploiting the vices of this world... you can not say stop watching nopor and manage webcams thats being a hypocrite, you can not say we help men and bragging how while the webcam model is getting nude you are typing behind asking for his credit card. If you are a tate fanboy ok is your life, but pls stop pretending that tates are not grifters and do not deceive, thats just an insult to any person with two neurons
Liz definitely won that argument, at least the rational side of it. The Tate brothers advertise just another form of the hedonistic lifestyle. The guy defending them just makes excuses for being hedonistic.
@@pejv7903I agree with you. Nice to see that I’m not the only one who thinks this way. She just showed a short clip of Tristan. And than followed with a bunch of BS.
@@pejv7903i dont think youve listened to them…. They rebranded after the arrest and stopped but they literally sold hour long courses on how to be a pimp.
I'm not defending them being pimps, and I never will. I also never mentioned anything regarding pimping, seems like you don't understand what hedonism is.@@tylerware2836
It comes across like this man is arguing for the sake of arguing. He talks in circles and never even makes a point, but he's quick to tell someone that makes a good point that they're wrong.
I don’t understand how anyone could watch that video of Tristan and say that’s a “positive message” or come out in support of that.. Liz made great points one after another, and totally bodied Adam in that conversation. I wouldn’t even call that a “debate”…
You completely missed the point of the discussion. That clip is obviously not a positive message. No one on the panel thinks it's a positive message. The point of this debate was to discuss whether the Tates are a net positive or a net negative on the world. No one in the video defended the clip.
I think women get mad when a man they don't want figures out how to appear to them as a man they do. women like to be able to go into the world of men and pick the man they want and then have them be what they expect them to be. so if you show a man how to pretend to be a different type of man than they would normally present as, it makes their job of finding a man they want who will commit to them. they want it to be easy. this makes it less easy. that's why they don't like a video like that existing. because if a woman was making a similar video on "securing the bag" from men... crickets. you know makes a mark easier to grift? their own greed. so before you cry about women being misled, consider that.
@@theoverunderthinker In addition to what you've stated, there also tends to be an oxymoron in what attracts them. The less they know about the man, the more appealing he is to them. It allows them wiggle room for the imagination to envision what they want him to be, thus increasing the attraction based on how they perceive the man in their mind. There's an almost impossible overlap of being mysterious enough to keep her on her toes, but also giving her enough information so she is satisfied.
@@ReeVoque I agree, but not all women function that way and the weird part, women who don't subscribe to those mentalities tend to make better relationship choices (in my experience). probably because they are looking at what is in front of them and not what they expect to get out of it in the future. and to be fair: a lot of men could benefit from the same insights, it just plays out differently because the have different goals, but on some level it is a human thing as well.
She wiped the floor with Adam. It's actually the perfect way to defeat his tawdry style of argumentation. He tries to take her off the actual point where he knows he doesn't have a case, but she stays right on it. Then he uses his hyperbole and attributes it to the other side, but she demands clarification. Giving him all the rope he needs. Lovely to see.
Yeah he’s not intelligent or articulate at all. He provided a poor defense for Tate. I guarantee I would do better lol. Tate brothers best role models for men. The first clip she showed there was nothing wrong with that. Every man who is a player lies to women or sells them a dream to some degree. Consensually dating a virgin to one day smash her isn’t illegal or immoral.
@@YungPhilosopherYou’re hilarious. I don’t dislike the Tates at all, but they’ve done many things that directly hurt the men they claim to help (like screwing them out of money by tricking them, and also tricking women into losing their virginity, but then telling guys they should pursue virgins cuz they have less trauma. It’s like if I convinced you that you should only drink from the unopened bottles of liquor at the bar, but then I walked up to the bar and started opening every bottle just for fun). I understand you’re a Tate stan, and that’s fine - I bet if I hung out with them I’d really like them. But you have a very surface level understanding of life & society if you think they’re the greatest role models for men. Their advice can be _helpful_ for young men (at least in the short term), but that doesn’t make it good.
@@YungPhilosopher So because every man who is a player tricks and manipulates women, there is nothing wrong with that? So we are now assessing the moral status of certain acts based on how many people commit those acts???? You, sir, are disgusting.
Adam spending all his energy explaining how successful the Tate’s are… Liz: go back to what I said…I don’t care how much money they’ve made. Adam: why are you making it all about money? You alright Adam? Need a snickers bar?
I was waiting for Adam to ask her what color her Bugatti is. He wants to be the Tate’s so bad. He bases his entire persona off them. It’s beta behavior.
“Do you want your daughter dating a man like that?” Simple answer …hell no! I like how Tom and Patrick answered. Adam obviously does not have kids and is not married. Liz actually had a great response and take on this.
I would kick his ass so good he would think ten times before even trying anything like that. Playing with people's feelings is most disgraceful thing a man can do, and a woman. And that's coming from a guy whose ex broke my heart in 1000000 pieces and I even got sick so bad that I know living without big bowel while she having two kids and husband. If I ever see her again in my life I make sure she fucking know what evil she was back then.
Adam tried to invalidate her cos she was a women but the funny thing is she had a way better take on men and masculinity then he could ever come up with
She's a keeper, congrats to her husband. About these brothers, they teach how to become what they are NOW. That's the danger, they are not fulfilled, they are just successful.
As if Women aren't Manipulative.. No, the problem with Liz, is that "Women are Innocent, Priceless, Princesses" and "Men, All Men are just "gross pigs only out to fck".
Big fan of the PBD podcast. Watched and shared many episodes with my friends over the years. And I'd also like to add that I've gotten a good bit of entertainment from the Tate interviews. First time listening to Liz, and gotta say she absolutely killed it here. She won the debate for sure. "The Home Team" lost credibility when they couldn't admit that the message Tristan was sending was complete trash, and when they scrambled to defend him. I get it, they're all friends, but that shouldn't mean you can't admit to that message being trash. It took guts to sit up there and speak her piece to this room full of successful men, and not back down for an instant. She was articulate, logical, and straight to the point. Gotta give it to her, respect.
PDB Home team actually occasionally uses the "two wrongs make a right" formular it's so disgusting and exhausting. PBD immediately made it become a binary comparison well knowing he had lost it. He switched to the LGBT party comparison as if Consenting same sex adults is such a bad thing. PBD ignores the possibility of his own kids turning out to be LGBT with out any external influence. He some how feels more confortable surrendering his own daughters to Tristan Tate team all in the name of closure. I should subscribe to the guest stars TH-cam account. Ann one to share it? PDB had one last chance to do away with toxic masculinity but they all fear being called out and targeted by Tate Team. So sad. Am glad Jordan Peterson took the high road and called them out. Right Diagnosis, Poor Prescription. The end!
I'm 7 minutes through this garbage video and I'm gobsmacked how this woman is stating the absolute most common sense of any basic human value "exploitation of others is not good" and this guy is acting like she's speaking Swahili. I remember watching some other video where this guy was hosting some event with another fake player, kinda stalky guy, who was being brutalized by another lady. She was composed and also making solid points while the guy was getting red in the face and stuttering. Adam KEPT asking the lady "are you upset?" "are you ok?" "are you angry?". It was ridiculous. She was cool as a cucumber and the other guy was losing his shit and this guy pretends like the woman is always wrong somehow. I don't know how anyone takes these 'married to my narrative' hosts seriously.
who knows...Adam should have been fired a very long time ago, he is complete dead weight and a total embarrassment for the rest of the host on this podcast!
As soon as Adam starts to talk I push the forward button. Omg I rather have a root canal then to listen to Adam go on and on. He totally takes control of the show.
I have no idea who this guy is, sometimes PBD has an interesting take but i don't watch his podcast probably because of stuff like this. This is is a completely stupid ass clown listening to him talk makes me want to delete myself.
Pat who idolizes Dumbo Donnie also idolizes Andrew Tate and his brother. Why am I NOT surprised. And yet Pat said he doesn't want his girls dating such guys and then says the Tate Brothers are good for society. God Help us
Women are to be seen not heard. This is the problem with the loss of masculinity in the west. SIMP men listening to a woman's blabbering about what she thinks a man is, and how they should conduct themselves.
@@staysolid19”lol” And that’s you discounted as a child whose opinion couldn’t matter any less if they tried. Grow up and stop worshipping losers like the Tates 👍🏻
The reason I don’t personally follow Tate is 1: I’m not 15 years old and 2: he’s a con-artist. First he was the hedonistic hugh Hefner type, then he was a hard working man with Christian values, now he’s supposedly a married, Muslim family man. He changes his persona based on what gets him support at the moment.
A woman whose virginity is still intact as an adult has made that choice for a reason. She's saving that for someone special who she believes she can have a lasting, meaningful, relationship with. Convincing her that you're that guy just to take it from her is truly despicable. The option of sex for women is ALWAYS on the table, they can get it anywhere any time. If they intentionally avoid it as a personal choice in service of a higher ideal you're a scumbag for seeking to destroy that virtue for another notch on your belt. No 2 ways about it.
Agreed, but castigating the Tates and their message due to one old clip like this isn’t giving them a fair shake either. Their message to men is 98% positive.
@@Grindfeldt lol this was one of the milder clips. If you do a deep dive and watch all their stuff in context you'll see that this was one of tamer videos that their dumbasses put out.
Im a Adam fan and cant believe he doesnt find a huge problem with Tristan Tate having a "How to deceive and F Virgins" tutorial video 😂 come on Adam! Does PBD have a daughter!? Anyone with a daughter will not like those comments.
@@mikem4481 I get that vibe too from Adam. I think he's on one hand not very bright and there is also a lot going on with him emotionally, a lot of internal confusion. The fact that he cant hold a conversation with a woman that has a different opinion from him without becoming triggered and emotional speaks volumes. Also whenever someone disagrees with him he says "oh so you believe ..." it shows how narrow minded he is. He thinks there´s only ever two ways to look at something and they´re always extremes at the opposite side of the spectrum. I think it would do him well to work construction and deal with some real, down to earth guys and have a physical outlet.
PBD keeps him around to be ‘devils advocate’ for the sake of conversation. He’s the dissenting voice. You can’t have everyone agreeing or it’s boring. PBD knows what he’s doing. 😉 I agree, though, he’s an idiot, lol. I rarely agree with anything he says. You have to have someone for Tom and Vinny to argue with. There is a lot of engagement in the comments about Adam. The more chatter there is in the comments, the more attention the video gets. All for the algorithm. It’s a business.
Adam is out of his league. Perhaps his arguments and gaslighting would work well with the women of tiktok, but not an educated woman such as Liz and this has nothing to do with conservatism. Killed it Liz ❤
I think Tate teaching young men to value themselves is incredibly important in this day and age, however he exploited male neediness in order to get rich. On some level he was (is?) contributing to the problem while simultaneously providing a solution. There are much better role models out there for young men to follow.
She's so spot on. Adam's reluctance to call a spade a spade and acknowledge that the Tate brothers' approach to manipulating women is toxic by saying "welcome to dating in the real world baby" shows that yes he is also "biasable". Dating can be toxic but I think it depends on each individual's intention within the relatioship. Desire to manipulate someone for sex is not a healthy inention to steer a relationship which is in fact intended to be short-term relationship by the manipulator.
They also did this to a lot of men, except instead of taking their virginity they took their money, and that's how they became so rich. Milked them for hundreds of thousands using the image and likeness of their cam models. Scammers and thieves.
Adam is such a smooth brain. I agree with a lot of things that Andrew Tate says but Liz is making an excellent point. The video with Tristan is disgusting.
@@boblashed1012 if you think that only pastors are godly men, then thats where you are wrong as there are men who are godly even if they are not the leaders of the church.
@@MD_Production you missed the point. Liz stated that a godly man was MOST important to HER. Meaning what she’s saying is rooted purely in emotion and not factual.
@@LeadLeftLeon Tate was making those videos from a predator's perspective, the prey being 2, 3 virgins per year. Do you think he cared about them after? This is the destructive part, having a predator mindset and using those virgins only for own pleasures.
This conversation went off the rails because Adam was trying to "win" rather than have a discussion and Liz didn't pin him down when he was wrong. His best point was, "Hey, if the guy sticks around, and is a good boyfriend for a few months, how manipulative is that really? Are you telling me the virgin didn't sleep with him because she wanted to?" Liz should have responded, "Being a good boyfriend for a few months isn't the part I object to. I object to the guy planning, in advance, regardless of how the relationship is going, that he is going to dump her and go look for another virgin. That's the manipulative part."
Being the good boyfriend IS the manipulative part, being the “good boyfriend” are his acts of manipulation. Everything he does to be a good boyfriend, it’s intent is to take her virginity. Hence being the good boyfriend IS the manipulation.
Not really. Shea ragued with outdated things that the state brothers said 5-10 years ago and missed their point multiple times. She is a woman and do not see the male perspective. She looks at it from a female POV
Well, although I like the Tates, she has a valid point on Tristan's video, which is destructive for society. However, she said that they promote Pornography, which is false, they don't. And another thing she mentioned is that "Tates tell men they are victims." This cannot be farther from the truth because they constantly emphasize on the importance of responsibility.
It is shocking to see men as educated and accomplished as Patrick and Adam sacrifice their critical thinking at the alter of old fashion alpha male egotism. Patrick even went so far as to throw his own daughters under the bus in favour of Andre Tate's brand of masculine influence, which he himself admitted he wouldn't want for his own daughters. And when Liz Wheeler called him out on it he doubled down because he would prefer his daughters live in a world of men influenced by Andrew Tate instead of a world influenced by men like Steven Bartlett. I pity his children.
Adam represents that “mid-forties male, that focused on building a career and wealth and hooking up with chicks, rather than focusing on a wife and children” and the Tate’s rep that lifestyle. Therefore, they represent his lifestyle. An attack or disagreement on them, he sees as an attack on himself.
@stablegenius365 PBD has cognitive dissonance when it comes to the Tates. He is willing to overlook their predatory behaviour towards women as collateral damage. Over the years, I have seen this as common place in the world of men, in an effort to not make enemies or cause ripples, men will look the other way or befriend them instead of acting with integrity and shunning them. Keeping them in good standing is rewarding their behaviour and will only further the problem
Most of us are fans of PBD, the podcast and the team but it’s good to see most of us also can see where they can be biased. Liz is in the right here. None of us would want our kids learning this type of message nor following similar paths as the Tates. Clearly some of the Tate brothers messages are good, but not stuff like this. Maybe they don’t sell this stuff anymore, if they do then their message gets diluted.
The question is are they net positive or negative.. she talks about that video because it fits narrative.. there is a 1 hour lesson about discipline. Why doesn't she mention that? Is that also bad thing to teach young men? PBD is biased, but so is she.. they are net positive, although they are human traffickers
The whole problem is that you can teach children in US public schools how to become LGBT... but adult mеn cannot learn how to become rich and have sex with virgins. You can teach a boy how to lose his virginity to a man and you can teach a girl how to lose her virginity to a woman but you can't teach grown men how to become rich and have sex with virgins
A man’s value should be determined based on his principles, beliefs, and actions rather than financial wealth. There are countless rich men who are absolute low life scumbags.
You dont get to tell anyone what their value is determined by. Only reality can do that, and that is why men flock to what the Tates have to say. Keep raging against reality, my simpy friend.
@@shogunofharlem8240 Society has imputed values determination locked. Intrinsic values have been lost to constructs. Do not be obtuse. Educate yourself dufus.
Her argument over him saying taking someone's virginity yes but as to her saying they are not a positive influence on men is utter utter nonsense, both can be right and imo both are right. He is stupid to say things like that and Liz is braindead to say they are not a positive influence. Nobody can be right about all things. Think of the most terrible mistakes you have made in your life that has emotionally hurt someones else......does that mistake mean that if everyone saw you make that mistake that we should think negatively of you for the rest of your life? or just that we should think negatively of you for that decision alone. Stones and glass houses
@@077Wilko yea Liz is “braindead” and you’re not The only think Tate brought to society is the sheer mass number of incels and them pretending to be something theyre not
Since the Tates have undergone massive scrutiny, they have prioritized their message to God, family and values. If you don't believe they have genuinely changed then that is your right, but I do believe they have repented against their past actions, and are taking their role in society more seriously.
This is the first time i heard someone actually making a case against tate brothers that really holds weight and I stand with 90% of what Liz was saying here. Bravo lady you nailed it here, tate's hold so much power and logic when it comes to woke politics and no one can stand there ground in front of Tate's because they actually are the antidote for this woke culture but as soon as you get a little away from woke culture and gets to people with traditional values you will see how Tate brothers actually have loads of problematic ideas. Also tates from two years ago to the date are completely different people they have evolved and alot of ideas they had back then did evolve with them. This debate was clearly won by this Lady and panel was clearly trying to fight a losing battle where they should have gracefully accepted the wrong in the video.
@@joninator7858 I looked at it from the traditional male, and I know if someone did what the Tate's prescribe with my daughter or sister, chances are, I'd get my hands dirty.
I actually agreed with Liz on this point. Masculinity is being stripped away from men, but a lot of what the Red Pill teaches also teaches men to stray away from true masculinity.
@@EveningShowWithJeremiah Too strong, too influential, too rich, resentful, jealous, envious = narcissistic = head symbol of a strong successful man And the height standard was set up by man first, the tallest and the physically strongest by genetics
@@i0li0il0i ok At the end he tells the boys you have to take her virginity by the 2nd month anniversary correct? “While still living the playboy lifestyle” as being with other women while trying to take this girl’s virginity correct?
Liz is correct and clearly explains her logic which makes perfect sense-my sentiments exactly. Adam should've left a trail of breadcrumbs for him self before he started down that debate.
shes completely wrong tho. tates message is the complete opposite of this clip. This clip was made several yrs ago to a very small audience. Also the assumption that bc they did webcam 10+yrs ago they promote prn to young man is the most unlogical thing Ive heared in a while. They are literally ashamed of their actions and say in every podcast to stop watching it bc its very harmfull. People that claim what liz claims are just not informed enough and talk with very little knowledge about the topic...
@@i0li0il0iWomen are to be seen not heard. This is the problem with the loss of masculinity in the west. SIMP men listening to a woman's blabbering about what she thinks a man is, and how they should conduct themselves.
@@ハク-q6e1j ok I’ll respectfully listen. And am not looking to debate but can you bullet point what she missed? As I consider myself an independent who is concerned with both extremes of left and right… and the Tates seem to be far out right… but once again, I’m open to different perspectives
@@ハク-q6e1jYeah!!! These women are so terrible! Especially virgins!! It is your obligation to have sex with as many virgins in order to teach them a lesson. It's up to you! You must do this to save yourself. So, do what the Tates say and manipulate all of these horrible women. That will solve all of your problems
Learn from everybody. From what I can understand you are against the Tate brothers and thats fine. Look at parts of what they are encouraging like: "be in good physical shape", remove their names from the equation and there you have it, good advice. My point is, we should not totally agree or totally dissagree with anyone. We can all learn from the achievements, mistakes, good things, bad things of everybody.
who is she to judge moral corruption? He isn't breaking any laws, so who cares what he talks about. People can listen to him or not. She can think that he is offensive or "bad for society" but that is irrelevant, she does not have any authority over what other people want to talk about
Father figure? They are literally about a year or two apart in age. Adam is lost. There is no hope for him. He is a simple minded dude who constantly reads from his notes when he attempts to make a point. 😂 He sounds like a teenager when he speaks. “He’s a top G” What an idiot 😂
its bs ... i have seen thousands of exact same videos made by women... stop with the double standard. You can now google "how to manipulate men" , or even here on youtube and you will get videos with this title and you can watch them. use make up to trick men you look beautiful and then take advantage of them. Those videos are everywhere.
im so glad that the comment section backs her. i like pbd but i was ready to unsubscribe if they didnt agree with her just for the “movement” i dont know who she is but she nailed it
Oh my God Adam was not listening at all and avoided properly answering any questions. I laughed when he said “no, you’re missing the point” when he was the only one missing the point. Liz was hands down the smartest in the room.
No, she was not listening. She was unwilling to listen or genuinely have a conversation, instead she just kept rattling off her prepared talking points and kept her ears shut to what he was TRYING to tell her. Just like this uppity lady, you are totally misinformed and fueled by cope.
Liz really destroyed Adam in this interview and shows a huge blindspot in the Tate philosophy. They give great advice on ways to be a high value man but poor advice on connecting with good women. Great job by Patrick on maintaining a balance view.
High value to gold-digging sluts and 14 year old boys. Liz told that imbecile what she considers high value and imbecile tries to trap her by asking how tall her husband is.
At no point in that clip of Tristan did he say to lie, rape, extort, or coerce the “virgin”. All he said was date her for 3 months and that he has a tactic to try to sleep with her. I’d have to hear the “tactic” but at no point did I hear him say lie to a girl or anything about his intention to sleep with her. If she asks what his intentions are for dating her for 3 months and he lies about it, then you can make an argument for manipulation. Dating a girl for 3 months isn’t manipulation or deception unless you lie about the intent. If she makes an assumption about intent, it’s not moral or fair to hold Tristan accountable for her expecting more than what he was willing to give. It’s her who should be held accountable for her assumptions and actions if and only if she didn’t seek clarification on intent. Don’t confuse basic social dynamics with manipulation.
Liz wins the argument on this one. They didn't explain how Tate's messages are not harmful, they just said there are worst things out there then what they are doing. We want to move forward, get better. The Tates are bringing us backwards not forward.
Yeah that taking virginities just because it feels good part is fkd up and twisted thing to say When you take a female virginity thats pretty much a marriage contract and you are supposed to be responsible for her. Thats how its always been. Now him implying he would take the virginity then ghost her, thats something that would be worthy of the death penalty in many cultures and for a good reason. You're basically defiling someones daughter at the end of the day. Definitely not something to encourage or be proud of but is actually an abomination.
I’m a 48 yr old man who’s 6 ft tall and in good shape. I own my own very successful business. I agree with her. A reel man isn’t on a mission for meaningless sex but for one good women as a life long partner in doing good and in raising children with character, integrity and values who will positively effect future society.
Adam honestly said (at roughly 5:45) that Tristan's position was nuanced, citing that Tristan said you had to date the girl for three months. That's what passes as "nuanced" in Adam's mind? What a great defense, there.
Rape is also as old as dirt. They have both been evil the entire time. Your 3 month rule is the definition of exploitation. In fact, if it was a trick to get laid, it is also rape.
Lol, people like you with the brain capacity of pigeons are the reason why women can turn around from sex they initially wanted, to retrospectively crying “rape” after feeling slighted. @@bobjohnson1633
Liz is absolutely right on this account. Men need to help other men be better men. Manipulating and objectifying women are not the traits of mature men. If you like the Tates, help them be better men. They don't need to sacrifice one ounce of their masculinity in order to not take advantage of and manipulate women.
For what incentive though? What is the reward for being a "better man"? The dudes breaking all the rules get the best women in their prime/20s. And the "better men" get their leftovers. No thanks.
@@BossItUp911they’re not getting the best women. They get the damaged ones and the traumatized ones. I don’t see any respectable women gushing about Tate, in fact I don’t see any women except for Candace Owens and one Slovakian prostitute
When do women help other women to "be better"? At what point do women ever take responsibility? Why is it always assumed that it's the man manipulating the woman? Do women not have agency?
@Alexander44665 women are the biggest manipulators , they rarely ever actually truly love a partner , unconditionally , its always condonationally but they will lie about thay from word go
Pat and Adam interviewed Andrew and Tristan probably close to a full day (counting on- and off-air) yet Liz outdebated them without as much as a sweat. Liz is on a whole another level.
She was well versed no doubt its all ass licking from people like this got respect for pat but too much ass licking over the months and when you ass lick you have 0 respect as a man
She's using a secret debating technique is why, her opinion is just right lol. It's really difficult to argue against someone who is making a lot of sense.
@@maozedong1913no, she explained her position quite well, answered pointed questions when asked to do so, and brought up valid points and questions of her own (that weren't really addressed). The glossing over and argument fallacies were on the part of Adam, and I'm embarrassed for you that you can't even perceive that.
@@nomdeguerre8464, this is why you still ride the short bus. I wrote only 2 sentences and you lacked the reading comprehension to see I was applauding her.
Only men who aren’t men, and have no concept of manhood, look up to the Tate brothers. Only an absolute lack of masculinity, a desperation for it, would cause anyone to look up to a wannabe pimp crime lord who brags about manipulating women into sex work, slavery practically, and boasts about how he dupes his followers too, as some “role model” just because he throws a few common sense words in with his BS.
He bragged about smashing 17 year olds, lied to girls to get them into camming and taking money from men via scamming them-they’re not good role models to be learning from
Are we going to speak from idealistic stand point or from reality. The reality is it doesn't matter how nice you are, women are still going reject you & other men are not going to respect you if you're not accomplished man. Especially in America with so much divorce, wokeness, men need a wake up call & the Tate Brothers are doing that well
She isnt making any excellent points. She is just making vague ideological statements, misrepresents Tate and takes everything out of context. She is no different than a democrat
@@MosesShabalala I think that’s a big contributing factor to the dysfunction. We’re seeing today. So we either decide to continue to support that dysfunction or to stand for a different set of ideals, establish those ideals, and then encourage the world to change. Not feed into the continue dysfunction by saying there’s dysfunction so this behavior is OK.
@@118eighteen that’s a little crazy. That’s like saying I value that someone puts emphasis on their health and then saying well then why didn’t you marry a doctor. Adam and Patrick to a certain extent represent a certain kind of male chauvinism that is actually part of the backlash against toxic masculinity. Anger is certainly better than hopelessness so the reaction we’re seeing is in a sense progress, but the goal is love and compassion. I don’t think justifying bad behavior by pointing out examples of other bad behavior really gets anywhere other than more bad behavior. And as far as what God requires of people, I’m not as confident as you seem to be about knowing what that means.
Liz is right. As she's rightly pointed out, the Tate brothers diagnose a real problem but their solutions are indeed harmful. That singular comment "I do 2 or 3 virgins a year" nullified anything else Tristan had to say. I can't think of a more objectifying statement. I've got two sons and I'd hate for any of them to think that way. The Tate's need to improve their messaging.
PBD did a 6 hr interview with Andrew a few months ago. If you REALLY want to get some insight into what he and his brother are preaching watch that… rather than a 2 min clip. I think you’ll come away surprised.
Grab her by the pussy. But that man has the hearts of 70%of America… so yeah men can say some messed up stuff but he leaders we need… they aren’t perfect but they teach you to be strong, work on yourself and grind your craft to be the man you want to be.. how is that bad?… have the ability to differentiate people… we don’t all grab her by the pussy.. but we most certainly don’t let millions of people across our border… point being… you must accept a little crazy for the good… that clip of them is horrible, bad men.. but look what they are inspiring,, weak men to stand up.. I second that approach.
Wow adam looked like an idiot. Kept saying she was missing the point, but it was him who missed the point. Pushing back against the “toxic masculinity “ narrative and wanting to be successful is fine no one is arguing against that, the issue is the virgin hunting materialistic bs. The tates can say some good things i agree with for sure, its all thrown out the window with all the other garbage they talk about. The dude is literally bragging and explaining how to manipulate young woman , its so indefensible im embarrassed for adam . Major L on his part .
That's the Jews. Always has been for the past hundreds of years. The Tates are talked about all the time. They're always bringing up the Tate brothers on everyone's mind . Jews are who you cant talk about. I believe in free speech on anyone. All people should be able to speak freely. But critisizing a jew is like "hate speech" on steroids.
I don't understand how you can possibly defend Tristan's advice here. The woman was absolutely spot on about the Tate's message of materialism and thinking of women as objects. I, as a woman, also agree that masculinity is under attack in the west and the Tate brothers also explain and describe it flawlessly, however, their prescription of how to go about it is where I draw the lines.
Watch more of their content. The message is far deeper than the 15 second clips. A lot of the "older" (not that old) content is not spoken seriously and has been corrected in more recent times. As a man, we need them.. I love them, and whether they prescribe good or bad, people have a choice to act on that or not.
i dont understand how you can throw out lies. No one in this video said that what tristan said about taking viriginites was good. They are talking about 99% of the other things they preach. Fucking tiktok brains out here not understanding simple words.
I think girls should be taught by a parent that there are always going to be men like this. If your daughter does not have a male and female role model that can prepare them for the world, I would hope you would get involved in your church or big brothers or big sisters, etc. They need to see positive relationships modeled so they will know how to choose a wisely. This is not a Tate problem, this is a parenting problem.
Liz is the kind of woman that has no problem with a woman taking all of a man’s money in divorce court, but gets mad at a man playing a virgin. Double standards for days.
Very impressive discussion by Liz. Made her points and held her composure despite Adam's interruption, condescension and weak argumentation. Kudos to Tom for objectively stating what he thinks. I get it PBD and Adam are friends with them, so they're biased. Then say you're biased. Liz was logical (in a world where many use logical fallacies) and had Adam spinning in circles. Liz was also right when she called out PBD's inconsistency. Usually PBD can articulate first principles. He's very good at this. Yet here he compared "this education" is better than "that (much worse) education." That's poor argumentation, and not coming from a place of principle. Could've just said, hey they're my friends, they share a bunch of great messages, and with this one they missed the mark.
nothing wrong with our education, just republicans have always been anti public schools so they spread lies about education system. its districts that control school boards not government anyway.
How is that a good case if her own husband is essentially a follower of 'Tateism' but doesn't know it and she picked him because of traits Tates' promote and encourage? Delusional woman that can't recognize reality.
6:27- The answer to that is "It's the reality we live in now. PLUS that was a question that was asked to Tristan Tate, and he simply gave his expertise and knowledge to the men. What? Free speech right? It's upto to them to follow"
Patrick bet David is really good at dissolving differences 👏🏼 but no one can’t take away the fact that Liz nailed the flag of victory in this argument. And that other guy on the left .. yeah he completely drank the coolaid, we should all call him Neo 😅
He has his own show where he “interviews” mostly Only Fan girls and pretty much tells them that any woman is not worth marrying after 27. I kid you not.
@@nathaliediedrichs3306 Yep. He's absurdly toxic, and a huge number of people live here in an absolute denial. Everything to defend Tates. They're no better than the far left.
This is why I follow Andrew Tate as a 24 year old Man: “You're as competent as possible if you believe absolutely everything that's happened to you whether good or bad is completely your fault.” -Andrew Tate “The man who goes to the gym every single day regardless of how he feels will always beat the man who goes to the gym when he feels like going to the gym.” -Andrew Tate “The temporary satisfaction of quitting is outweighed by the eternal suffering of being a nobody.” -Andrew Tate
@@dumbichhxx It’s great to know there are other young men seeking masculine achievement. I don’t think people realize you can disagree with 25% of what somebody says and still learn from the 75% of good they bring.
Hes the leader we all needed. That Spartan style of speech that gets us off our ass and keeps us moving. With a righteous purpose based on masculinity and brotherhood its beautiful.
Adam: “I want your opinion”
*gets answer*
Also Adam: “well, that’s like, just your opinion”
LMAO I'm so glad someone else saw this too
Can't stand Adam's attitude
@@evanluna116dude got a predator mind if he don’t watch out he may find his as in prison 💯 😂
Lol truth right? 🙄🙄
Even moderate liberalism twists your brain in strange ways it seems 😬
Lmao
Adam refusing to answer her question about if he thinks that behavior is destructive was…embarrassing.
As is PBD keeping him around.
@dgee7931 that doesn't mean he doesn't have a bad take.
He was afraid to say it was repugnant because he still wants to be Tate's boyfriend.@@dgee7931
Not embarrassing but revealing because the more Adam does this stuff the more viewers such as yourself and me see through his BS and the fact that Adam simply brings absolutely nothing of value to this podcast and PBD needs to cut him loose sooner rather than later.
@@MichaelEWinklerthat's why I think they should get rid of him cause he brings nothing of "value" to #value tainment. It's not just a pun it's actually the truth. I like puns:-). Well you missed an opportunity to say it in the form of a pun but I did you a favor by doing it for you:-). I like PBD a lot. Seems like a well adjusted person 😎 but I don't like Adam whatsoever 🙃. I just find him very ignorant, and too annoying for my taste when it comes to the host or co-host of a podcast, talk show, or radio 😑. It doesn't fit in any of those jobs 😑. In my opinion he should just stick to doing regular jobs. I can't wait to hear all the triggered Adam seismic fanboys come at me LOL 😑:-).
As someone who agrees with some of Tates messages, she was completely right on this topic. Adam made zero sense and was clearly talking as a bachelor. I’ve always agreed with PBD but she’s right when she told PBD he wouldn’t like that message for his daughter so how could he like it for all of society?
When it comes down to it BPD will shill whatever he thinks is good for his business.
These people are not principled people, they are about attention, adverts and money.
BPD claims he's a Christian. I smell bullshit.
Easy, he can protect his daughter hes not responsible for society and the choices majority of women make on their own anyway
Thought the same thing. She swept the floor with Adam. Was just a good video of Tate. Bad take in my opinion
Adam never makes sense. He's a cringe boomer living in a millennial body
Agreed
I really don’t understand why PBD thinks Adam brings anything of value to his table.
He's a partner in the podcast so he's stuck
He’s more than a partner, he’s a friend and a voice of a different point of view. We need to hear from eachother if you agree or disagree and it’s always important to hear from those that have a different world view from your own.
@@TheRealCrimdor this only applies if the other point of view is not stupid.
TRUST FAM ADAM SOSNICK IS A WEIZEL AND AN ANDREW TATE SYMPATHISER PLACING HIM AT THE HALFWAY MARK OF RAPEY
ANDREW AND TRISTEN TATE ARE LITERALLY RAPEY AND IF THERE WAS NO LAW I GUARANTEE THEYD HAPPILY RAPE WOMEN ITS CLEAR TO SEE HOW DISGUSTINGLY LOW THEY THINK......
OH AND ALSO THE TATE BROTGER RELIGION OF CHOICE IS RAPEY ASWEL....... THE WORST RELIGION IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
TATES ARE DISGUSTING
JIHAD IS DISGUSTING
NUFF SAID
@@TheRealCrimdor NO DUDE
ITS WORSE THEN JUST BEING VARIED
ADAM SOSNICK ALWAYS TALKS TRASH AND HE BRINGS NOTHING BUT IGNORANCE AND DIGRESSION AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF MORE WORTHY VARIETY OF PEOPLE TO CHOOSE WHO WOULD BE FAR BETTER THEN THAT LITTLE WIEZEL ADAM SOSNICK
She absolutely destroyed Adam and just ran mental circles around him.
I can only imagine their response to this comment section, lmao.
The comment section is usually pretty objective and honest so the response is simple is
SHE COOKED HIM
Liz failed to explain why she thinks Tate’s message is self-destructive. Being boyfriend of virgins is bad? Wahhh. The uck
@@LeadLeftLeonoh you again, Guru tate disciple hurt? Oh my goodness!
@@LeadLeftLeon it is bad if your only goal in being with the girl is to take her virginity and if You plan to dump her as soon as that happens
Yea that is wrong.
Liz was spot on when she elevated men who are godly. 🕊️
It’s hard to listen to Adam and not lose brain cells
Truth 😂
Yeah😂
So you only had to listen to him for one second..?
FOR REAL!!!!
Adam is the smartest retard in the room.
Liz represents the rare combination of getting it right and being able to communicate it effectively.
that tates message is pornography and manipulating women? lets stop right there lol
Not exactly, Andrew Tate didn’t get famous from pornography (running a business similar to only fans/before only fans existed) he got famous after speaking his mind bluntly like a sledge hammer which pissed Feminists off.
@@MrZZsharka
Can you be more specific about how what you say contradicts what I have said?
@@MrZZsharka yes he did, keep praising societal mental illed norms.
Tate said you have to date them lmfao. Where is the manipulation? She’s mad because she doesn’t like the word strategy, as if dressing nice, going to a place to find girls, and maybe buying them dinner, ISNT a strategy. It’s absurd
Adam strays from the point of a conversation further than I go on holiday 😂
She hurt his Tate fanboyism, and that cannot stand, lol
Indeed. Not everyone wants Tates life.
Adam was at his most impressive here.
Early lifer as they do they always do
😂😂
Dude the amount of times Adam asked Liz to explain her point… cmon man, quit stalling lmao. Pat clearly explains his point and Liz actually made a fantastic point.
Have to agree with Liz here.
Adam: Asks Liz her opinion on personal preferences.
Liz: Answers
Adam: But that's your opinion.
Exactly! Oh that twat is so infuriating. PBD is a fraud, too, but he could gain an ounce of credibility if he let go of Adam.
Liz married a wealthy individual who is successful. She could have married an average man but she didn't. She's a effing hypocrite.
He wanted her to say she liked rich man to defend his daddy’s Tristen and Andrew but she was too based.
@@Dorkeydaze yet she married a wealthy above average individual. She's a hypocrite and she knows it I know it.
@@snyperghost2262
Don’t know her husband most people tend to marry within their social economic level she’s wealthy so her social circle was wealthy he’s not giving her anything she couldn’t attain herself from what I’ve seen.
Sir there are manyyyy women that have been in relationships with men that were not rich, and stayed with them FOR YEARSSSSSSSSS
Hate to say it but Adam looked incredibly ignorant in this segment.
Adam: What is the most important quality you look for in a man?
Liz: I look for a man that's Godly.
Adam: That's just your opinion.
Liz: Yeah, because you asked for my opinion.
Adam: You want a Godly man, why didn't you marry a priest?
Liz: Preists aren't allowed to get married, Adam.
🤣
When does Adam *not* sound ignorant?
What is godly? Shud I google it?
@@GEDDY37strong believe in higher power. Are you 10
@@GEDDY37Seriously? A man that follows God's word as in the Bible. A man who doesn't run around fornicating and values marriage and the principals of the Bible above all. Maybe you should read the Bible and use Google less.
hilarious
Adam is a perfect example of how little most ppl in the modern world take the time to carefully think things through. As William James once said, "A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices."
Really dude? The evidence against the Tate brothers is overwhelming. They're not heroes or in any decent
@@i0li0il0iso what’s the false premise you claim?
The video of Tristan talking about virgins is actually one of the most tame videos. There are other videos far worse and actually self incriminating.
The Tates are complete garbage individuals, everything they have accomplished has been through fraud.
Imagine never putting a day of real productive work in your life, manipulating women into selling their bodies, lying to them taking a larger cut of their money than you agreed to, and calling yourself a real man. That’s the Tates for you. Pimps, thieves, and fraudsters.
He disgusting fr and will be the type of man who think graping is good too
@@whynot1548 The Tates are like anti heroes. Good men have been rendered helpless by the thots. Your mad they aren’t Superman and Captain America. Me I’m just glad Bane and The Punisher are taking scalps.
She’s absolutely right..
Adam gave a good lesson on how to intentionally misrepresent your opponent in a debate because you simply want to win. Liz was 100% right on this topic. I’m a Tate fan but man… big yikes, Tristan.
Lol no.
I’m a Tate fan. I like a lot of what they say. But that video of Tristan was disgusting. Not at all how I would want my sons or daughters to view Sex and Marriage.
I chew the meat and spit out the bones when it comes to them.
Adam was biased because he tried to defend the Tates versus the ideology that they were debating. Liz just spoke directly and truthfully.
Yep she was, Adam looked like a fool
@@NickisWise
Thats an old video..they are in process of learning now...iA you ll see they ll change for good..Give time to.reformers..
@@lightbeings6243 I’m a Tate fan. They have matured a bit, but they still absolutely make their money from vile things such as pornography and only fans.
They hide it a bit more nowadays, because they know it’s disgusting.
Again, I do like them but I’m not a blind idiot.
Liz is on point. As a man being Godly is a primary goal of mine. The tates, as successful as they are, have a skewed moral compass. The mix positive male messages with destructive relationship practices abd dynamics. They confuse young ment into believing personal success is related to promiscuity.
Unfortunately- success is related to it. But not the quality one .
That is Liz s point which is great but there are those who don't hold that value which I think is the other side of this argument. If a girl is not seeking a godly man, she'll most likely fall pray to a playboy, but honestly, many young girls fall for the wrong guy more than not
They do have a different moral compass for sure - but they’ve done more in fighting this current battle against men being demasculinised … Liz said it herself.. now yes Godly is being important but right now the woke left has taken hold on men in society and are being attacked
Tates have done more to fight that than any current ‘godly’ influencer - to think that us as men can’t distinguish the good from the bad in the Tates message (which let’s be honest a lot of it is exaggerated and is a character Tare has made as it has proven to bring the attention it has) is an insult to us.
I don’t agree with a lot of what the Tates say, but I applaud that they stand up against the nonsense we are seeing in the far left and at least are bringing the fight to them.
All men want a virgin....understand that...and why?...is that the only mark of virtue?....it is much more fun to drive a car alongside of somebody who knows how to drive theirs..its safer and much more fun to go fast and race with each other...
Let me tell you something do you have any realization on the sexual marketplace in 2024?. I bet you you're over 50 saying some stupid shit like this when the average 25 year old woman has 30 bodies turn off compared to 5 for men
You could tell PBD was disappointed in Adam and his dialogue with Liz , almost like he was embarrassed to have him as a cohost. The comments don’t lie, Adam just needs to branch off and do his own podcast . We all know he is drooling to have his own version of Fresh and Fit .
Adam has his own podcast, I don't remember what it's called but it's under the valuetainment brand.
Liz knows exactly what the tates are saying and they are bad. She is correct and you are advocating for self avowed rapists and traffickers
Adam is an idiot. wish it was just PBD and the other loud guy, he’s funny
PBD has cognitive dissonance when it comes to the Tates. How can you say you like a person but then use their behaviour on video to warn his daughters about potential threats (predatory behaviour) that may cause then harm. Not sure how one can like someone who admits to predatory acts, where is the line of unacceptable behaviour? …he acts like a predator to women but then helps a bunch of guys to work out so in the end it is net positive….this is a slippery slope for societies and will lead to further deterioration.
Societies cannot flourish if it is acceptable behaviour to dehumanize a cohort…initially it will seem like it is working for a set of people but it will rapidly decay into chaos. You would be basically teaching young men to become sociopaths.
Liz has the drop. Adam proves himself to be the tool that he consistently is.
PBD is brilliant to put them in a face off 👍⚡️💪
Yes why don't they replace him I never find him add anything of value to the discussion.
@@peasant7214seriously!
@@twinkletoes6290 yes seriously I never liked what he says. PBD questions on the other hand are usually on point and addresses the issue, and his defense of tate here was much better than this Adam, and he talked 10 times less.
Ironic. Adam debating from an emotional place, and Liz killing it with logic and facts. Bravo 👏
Funny to see the "grown ass man" argue like an emotional woman
How they defend andrew tate is blowing my mind
If anything neither Adam nor Liz were able to get started. Liz struggled to explain why she thinks Tate’s message is self-destructive
@@i0li0il0ihahaha nice wording but of course is deceiving, game is deceiving thats the core of game wtf are you talking about.
Is it "good" or "bad" thats another topic, but of course is about deceiving... even PUAs know that game for s*x is about deceiving. Playing psycological games , push and pull, dread, etc... that is deceiving what are you talking about???
The tates argue that the more bodies a woman has is worse, but they dont care to sleep with different women without marrying them, knowing that it will be worse for those women following their logic... dont you see a problem there?? Tates became millinaries exploiting weak men vices (web cams), there are videos of the tates laughing how lonely men send them money while they were typing behind the webcam model.
I like some part of the tate message, focus on yourself, improve, dont make women the center of your life,etc... those messages are good, but we dont have to pretend that the tates are hypocrites and also capitalized and became rich exploiting the vices of this world... you can not say stop watching nopor and manage webcams thats being a hypocrite, you can not say we help men and bragging how while the webcam model is getting nude you are typing behind asking for his credit card.
If you are a tate fanboy ok is your life, but pls stop pretending that tates are not grifters and do not deceive, thats just an insult to any person with two neurons
@@DaPhreshestKidd I hear you. It makes me see how far we have slipped that so many people find him valuable.
Well done Liz, you are a champion
She gets it. He doesn't get that he doesn't get it.
Liz definitely won that argument, at least the rational side of it. The Tate brothers advertise just another form of the hedonistic lifestyle. The guy defending them just makes excuses for being hedonistic.
I don't think you've actually listened to Tates if you think they advertise a form of hedonistic lifestyle. Especially the "advertise" part.
It's narcissistic self-worship. It's essentially satanic. Tate is a narcissist like his father.
@@pejv7903I agree with you. Nice to see that I’m not the only one who thinks this way. She just showed a short clip of Tristan. And than followed with a bunch of BS.
@@pejv7903i dont think youve listened to them…. They rebranded after the arrest and stopped but they literally sold hour long courses on how to be a pimp.
I'm not defending them being pimps, and I never will. I also never mentioned anything regarding pimping, seems like you don't understand what hedonism is.@@tylerware2836
It comes across like this man is arguing for the sake of arguing. He talks in circles and never even makes a point, but he's quick to tell someone that makes a good point that they're wrong.
Grifter
Liz was the clear winner of logic, reasoning, and understanding.
💯
I don’t understand how anyone could watch that video of Tristan and say that’s a “positive message” or come out in support of that..
Liz made great points one after another, and totally bodied Adam in that conversation. I wouldn’t even call that a “debate”…
You completely missed the point of the discussion. That clip is obviously not a positive message. No one on the panel thinks it's a positive message. The point of this debate was to discuss whether the Tates are a net positive or a net negative on the world. No one in the video defended the clip.
Please trim your Pussy.
I think women get mad when a man they don't want figures out how to appear to them as a man they do.
women like to be able to go into the world of men and pick the man they want and then have them be what they expect them to be.
so if you show a man how to pretend to be a different type of man than they would normally present as, it makes their job of finding a man they want who will commit to them.
they want it to be easy. this makes it less easy. that's why they don't like a video like that existing. because if a woman was making a similar video on "securing the bag" from men... crickets.
you know makes a mark easier to grift? their own greed. so before you cry about women being misled, consider that.
@@theoverunderthinker In addition to what you've stated, there also tends to be an oxymoron in what attracts them. The less they know about the man, the more appealing he is to them. It allows them wiggle room for the imagination to envision what they want him to be, thus increasing the attraction based on how they perceive the man in their mind. There's an almost impossible overlap of being mysterious enough to keep her on her toes, but also giving her enough information so she is satisfied.
@@ReeVoque I agree, but not all women function that way and the weird part, women who don't subscribe to those mentalities tend to make better relationship choices (in my experience). probably because they are looking at what is in front of them and not what they expect to get out of it in the future. and to be fair: a lot of men could benefit from the same insights, it just plays out differently because the have different goals, but on some level it is a human thing as well.
She wiped the floor with Adam. It's actually the perfect way to defeat his tawdry style of argumentation. He tries to take her off the actual point where he knows he doesn't have a case, but she stays right on it. Then he uses his hyperbole and attributes it to the other side, but she demands clarification. Giving him all the rope he needs. Lovely to see.
rofl the only thing she wipes is her ass. She made 0 argument and is part of the establishment trying to feminize men.
Yeah he’s not intelligent or articulate at all. He provided a poor defense for Tate. I guarantee I would do better lol. Tate brothers best role models for men.
The first clip she showed there was nothing wrong with that. Every man who is a player lies to women or sells them a dream to some degree. Consensually dating a virgin to one day smash her isn’t illegal or immoral.
@@YungPhilosopherYou’re hilarious. I don’t dislike the Tates at all, but they’ve done many things that directly hurt the men they claim to help (like screwing them out of money by tricking them, and also tricking women into losing their virginity, but then telling guys they should pursue virgins cuz they have less trauma. It’s like if I convinced you that you should only drink from the unopened bottles of liquor at the bar, but then I walked up to the bar and started opening every bottle just for fun). I understand you’re a Tate stan, and that’s fine - I bet if I hung out with them I’d really like them. But you have a very surface level understanding of life & society if you think they’re the greatest role models for men. Their advice can be _helpful_ for young men (at least in the short term), but that doesn’t make it good.
@@YungPhilosopher So because every man who is a player tricks and manipulates women, there is nothing wrong with that? So we are now assessing the moral status of certain acts based on how many people commit those acts???? You, sir, are disgusting.
She won hands down poor Adam was castrated “live” on air
Adam spending all his energy explaining how successful the Tate’s are…
Liz: go back to what I said…I don’t care how much money they’ve made.
Adam: why are you making it all about money?
You alright Adam? Need a snickers bar?
I was waiting for Adam to ask her what color her Bugatti is. He wants to be the Tate’s so bad. He bases his entire persona off them. It’s beta behavior.
Liz is a clown 🤡 but she is a woman so what do you expect and her ignorance is 🤦🏽♂️
Adam is intolerant of anyone who disagrees with him. I bypass and skip over him these days. Not sure why PBD has him on his staff.
“Do you want your daughter dating a man like that?” Simple answer …hell no! I like how Tom and Patrick answered. Adam obviously does not have kids and is not married. Liz actually had a great response and take on this.
Your daughter gona be a hoe who will date a worse guy that tate hahahaha unless you're super Conservative and you control your kid until marriage.
Fun fact: If your son does that to girls, you would see no wrong in it. But I'm sure you would beg to differ 🤣
I would kick his ass so good he would think ten times before even trying anything like that. Playing with people's feelings is most disgraceful thing a man can do, and a woman. And that's coming from a guy whose ex broke my heart in 1000000 pieces and I even got sick so bad that I know living without big bowel while she having two kids and husband. If I ever see her again in my life I make sure she fucking know what evil she was back then.
@@zizu-lakakaThat's actually just a self report. Some of actually care about the moral character of our children
where is the virgin now that you had?
Adam is the guy everyone looks at the party and thinks, should we tell him?
LOL
Tell him already
The dude is a fucking idiot. He isn’t able to articulate his points clearly.
Lmao
spoken like a true simp or a modern western woman. either way "congrats"
Adam tried to invalidate her cos she was a women but the funny thing is she had a way better take on men and masculinity then he could ever come up with
She's a keeper, congrats to her husband. About these brothers, they teach how to become what they are NOW. That's the danger, they are not fulfilled, they are just successful.
Liz: Andrew is manipulative
Adam: Game is game!
As if Women aren't Manipulative..
No, the problem with Liz, is that "Women are Innocent, Priceless, Princesses" and "Men, All Men are just "gross pigs only out to fck".
😂😂😂
Adam just admitting he is an evil scumbag
😂😂😂😂
How do you define game, then?
Big fan of the PBD podcast. Watched and shared many episodes with my friends over the years. And I'd also like to add that I've gotten a good bit of entertainment from the Tate interviews.
First time listening to Liz, and gotta say she absolutely killed it here. She won the debate for sure. "The Home Team" lost credibility when they couldn't admit that the message Tristan was sending was complete trash, and when they scrambled to defend him. I get it, they're all friends, but that shouldn't mean you can't admit to that message being trash. It took guts to sit up there and speak her piece to this room full of successful men, and not back down for an instant. She was articulate, logical, and straight to the point.
Gotta give it to her, respect.
PDB Home team actually occasionally uses the "two wrongs make a right" formular it's so disgusting and exhausting. PBD immediately made it become a binary comparison well knowing he had lost it. He switched to the LGBT party comparison as if Consenting same sex adults is such a bad thing. PBD ignores the possibility of his own kids turning out to be LGBT with out any external influence. He some how feels more confortable surrendering his own daughters to Tristan Tate team all in the name of closure. I should subscribe to the guest stars TH-cam account. Ann one to share it? PDB had one last chance to do away with toxic masculinity but they all fear being called out and targeted by Tate Team. So sad. Am glad Jordan Peterson took the high road and called them out. Right Diagnosis, Poor Prescription. The end!
I'm 7 minutes through this garbage video and I'm gobsmacked how this woman is stating the absolute most common sense of any basic human value "exploitation of others is not good" and this guy is acting like she's speaking Swahili.
I remember watching some other video where this guy was hosting some event with another fake player, kinda stalky guy, who was being brutalized by another lady. She was composed and also making solid points while the guy was getting red in the face and stuttering. Adam KEPT asking the lady "are you upset?" "are you ok?" "are you angry?". It was ridiculous. She was cool as a cucumber and the other guy was losing his shit and this guy pretends like the woman is always wrong somehow.
I don't know how anyone takes these 'married to my narrative' hosts seriously.
@@JOHNGRACE you completely missed what PBD said
Liz is an absolute dumb ass, I don’t understand why she’s on this show.
Besting Adam in a debate is like beating a quadriplegic in a foot race
Liz Wheeler is dead on! As usual I have no idea what point that Adam guy is trying to make....
Love how Adam patronizes her in every sentence… 🤦♀️ still trying to understand why he’s on the show 🫠
OMG me too!! Clearly PBD is a intellectual being but a couple of his friends, NOT SO MUCH!!
who knows...Adam should have been fired a very long time ago, he is complete dead weight and a total embarrassment for the rest of the host on this podcast!
Adam's arguing the same emotional way he used to in 2020 and 2021.
He's stuck in "the matrix"
adam is low in test he needs to hit the gym bro
@@manoftomorrow5987😂
He’s loosing me more and more every time he speaks.
Adam is their to bring a different perspective and it makes PBD look brilliant.
As soon as Adam starts to talk I push the forward button. Omg I rather have a root canal then to listen to Adam go on and on. He totally takes control of the show.
😂😂😂😂 I had one yesterday
I have no idea who this guy is, sometimes PBD has an interesting take but i don't watch his podcast probably because of stuff like this. This is is a completely stupid ass clown listening to him talk makes me want to delete myself.
😂😂😂😂
Agreed.
Physically *hurts* to listen. As if headache is about to start
Adam asks for her oponion
Liz : She says her opinion
Adam : that's your opinion
He's not bright enough to be a cohost. Too bad PBD doesn't recognize the Dunning-Kruger diagnosis and cut the dead weight.
He has a room temperature IQ
Whats her full name
Pat who idolizes Dumbo Donnie also idolizes Andrew Tate and his brother. Why am I NOT surprised. And yet Pat said he doesn't want his girls dating such guys and then says the Tate Brothers are good for society. God Help us
Confusion of the highest order
Liz absolutely nails this.
She didn't lol
Women are to be seen not heard. This is the problem with the loss of masculinity in the west. SIMP men listening to a woman's blabbering about what she thinks a man is, and how they should conduct themselves.
@@staysolid19”lol”
And that’s you discounted as a child whose opinion couldn’t matter any less if they tried.
Grow up and stop worshipping losers like the Tates 👍🏻
I hate to admit it but yes she did!
@@staysolid19yes she did.
The reason I don’t personally follow Tate is 1: I’m not 15 years old and 2: he’s a con-artist. First he was the hedonistic hugh Hefner type, then he was a hard working man with Christian values, now he’s supposedly a married, Muslim family man. He changes his persona based on what gets him support at the moment.
Correct you figured it out hes actually a slave
I think that’s how life is.
People aren't allowed to grow up and mature, got it.
No you’re a simp that’s why
You only put one actual reason and even that’s debatable. This has gotta be a joke.
A woman whose virginity is still intact as an adult has made that choice for a reason. She's saving that for someone special who she believes she can have a lasting, meaningful, relationship with. Convincing her that you're that guy just to take it from her is truly despicable. The option of sex for women is ALWAYS on the table, they can get it anywhere any time. If they intentionally avoid it as a personal choice in service of a higher ideal you're a scumbag for seeking to destroy that virtue for another notch on your belt. No 2 ways about it.
I agree 💯, well said.
Agreed, but castigating the Tates and their message due to one old clip like this isn’t giving them a fair shake either. Their message to men is 98% positive.
@@GrindfeldtIf that was true, how come they are gonna be doing time?! 😂
100% only a little boy wouldn't understand that.
@@Grindfeldt lol this was one of the milder clips. If you do a deep dive and watch all their stuff in context you'll see that this was one of tamer videos that their dumbasses put out.
So sad to watch people with daughters defending this kind of behavior.
Have to agree with Liz there, Adam is living the single bachelor lifestyle. Mainly the US and western dating culture are screwed.
Good
Im a Adam fan and cant believe he doesnt find a huge problem with Tristan Tate having a "How to deceive and F Virgins" tutorial video 😂 come on Adam! Does PBD have a daughter!? Anyone with a daughter will not like those comments.
@@mikem4481 I get that vibe too from Adam. I think he's on one hand not very bright and there is also a lot going on with him emotionally, a lot of internal confusion. The fact that he cant hold a conversation with a woman that has a different opinion from him without becoming triggered and emotional speaks volumes. Also whenever someone disagrees with him he says "oh so you believe ..." it shows how narrow minded he is. He thinks there´s only ever two ways to look at something and they´re always extremes at the opposite side of the spectrum. I think it would do him well to work construction and deal with some real, down to earth guys and have a physical outlet.
@NikoPaisa87 lost me at adam fan, he never made any logic in his debates 😂
Adam is unbearable
Even PBD didn't get where Adam was going.......hell, Adam didn't even know where he was going lol
Top G = "Top Gangster"..😂😂🤦♂️
😂😂😂
Adam is holding back PBD. Man knows how to annoy legit everyone.
Agreed. There's something to be said about having another opinion on the show for the sake of being open minded, but he's unbearable and a tool.
They need a Jew
@@rumchata6569 to get away with talking about certain subjects? They don't NOTICE enough to keep him around if you ask me...
PBD keeps him around to be ‘devils advocate’ for the sake of conversation. He’s the dissenting voice. You can’t have everyone agreeing or it’s boring. PBD knows what he’s doing. 😉 I agree, though, he’s an idiot, lol. I rarely agree with anything he says. You have to have someone for Tom and Vinny to argue with. There is a lot of engagement in the comments about Adam. The more chatter there is in the comments, the more attention the video gets. All for the algorithm. It’s a business.
@@Diametricallyopposed00 naw he keeps him cuz he’s the Jew of the group. Every group needs a Jew for connects
Adam is out of his league. Perhaps his arguments and gaslighting would work well with the women of tiktok, but not an educated woman such as Liz and this has nothing to do with conservatism. Killed it Liz ❤
I'm with Liz on this one....
I think Tate teaching young men to value themselves is incredibly important in this day and age, however he exploited male neediness in order to get rich. On some level he was (is?) contributing to the problem while simultaneously providing a solution. There are much better role models out there for young men to follow.
No he is a changed person..n iA with time you ll see with knowledge of religion..he ll.improve..
@@lightbeings6243he has no regrets. He simply switching his marketing to target a new audience/market.
He’s never done that
You critique without offering solutions. Who that embodies what Andrew has to do suggest?
Nobody is perfect I think he is better than than the others substitutes.
She's so spot on. Adam's reluctance to call a spade a spade and acknowledge that the Tate brothers' approach to manipulating women is toxic by saying "welcome to dating in the real world baby" shows that yes he is also "biasable".
Dating can be toxic but I think it depends on each individual's intention within the relatioship.
Desire to manipulate someone for sex is not a healthy inention to steer a relationship which is in fact intended to be short-term relationship by the manipulator.
LOL you must live in delusion or have been out of the dating market for a long time. Tates show true nature of most women out here
They also did this to a lot of men, except instead of taking their virginity they took their money, and that's how they became so rich. Milked them for hundreds of thousands using the image and likeness of their cam models. Scammers and thieves.
Exactly. Adam has become everything they were fighting, a complete ideologue. He talks with empty words and only hears what he wants to hear.
Well said!
It shows that Adam is a rapist.
Adam is such a smooth brain. I agree with a lot of things that Andrew Tate says but Liz is making an excellent point. The video with Tristan is disgusting.
Went into this one thinking I was going to be on Adam's side and nope; she nailed it.
Liz failed to explain why she thinks Tate’s message is self-destructive. Being boyfriend of virgins is bad? Wahhh. The uck
@@LeadLeftLeonyeah Liz was the emotional one if anything. A “godly” man? Really? Lol Adam nailed it with her not marrying a pastor.
@@boblashed1012 if you think that only pastors are godly men, then thats where you are wrong as there are men who are godly even if they are not the leaders of the church.
@@MD_Production you missed the point. Liz stated that a godly man was MOST important to HER. Meaning what she’s saying is rooted purely in emotion and not factual.
@@LeadLeftLeon Tate was making those videos from a predator's perspective, the prey being 2, 3 virgins per year. Do you think he cared about them after? This is the destructive part, having a predator mindset and using those virgins only for own pleasures.
This conversation went off the rails because Adam was trying to "win" rather than have a discussion and Liz didn't pin him down when he was wrong. His best point was, "Hey, if the guy sticks around, and is a good boyfriend for a few months, how manipulative is that really? Are you telling me the virgin didn't sleep with him because she wanted to?" Liz should have responded, "Being a good boyfriend for a few months isn't the part I object to. I object to the guy planning, in advance, regardless of how the relationship is going, that he is going to dump her and go look for another virgin. That's the manipulative part."
she more or less said exactly that... listen again.
Being the good boyfriend IS the manipulative part, being the “good boyfriend” are his acts of manipulation. Everything he does to be a good boyfriend, it’s intent is to take her virginity. Hence being the good boyfriend IS the manipulation.
That is what OP just wrote. Learn to read
Not to mention the plan to "take" her virginity! Absolutely VILE!
To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.
- Theodore Roosevelt
Liz is arguing with logic and facts
Not really. Shea ragued with outdated things that the state brothers said 5-10 years ago and missed their point multiple times. She is a woman and do not see the male perspective. She looks at it from a female POV
He has no virtue and logical reasoning
no she is not, godly women would not be commiting adultery.
@@boshirahmed”godly” women do it all the time
Well, although I like the Tates, she has a valid point on Tristan's video, which is destructive for society. However, she said that they promote Pornography, which is false, they don't. And another thing she mentioned is that "Tates tell men they are victims." This cannot be farther from the truth because they constantly emphasize on the importance of responsibility.
It is shocking to see men as educated and accomplished as Patrick and Adam sacrifice their critical thinking at the alter of old fashion alpha male egotism. Patrick even went so far as to throw his own daughters under the bus in favour of Andre Tate's brand of masculine influence, which he himself admitted he wouldn't want for his own daughters. And when Liz Wheeler called him out on it he doubled down because he would prefer his daughters live in a world of men influenced by Andrew Tate instead of a world influenced by men like Steven Bartlett. I pity his children.
Really poor logic from PBD. The question was not "Are the Tate bros preferable to leftist indoctrination?".
If I had a dollar for every time PBD told Adam "Where are you going with this" ...🤣🤣🤣
Andrew tate ✅️ feminism 🕳cancer
Lmao ikr
Yall gotta read her books she so smart
I think he was maybe stoned?
He's stoned. I'm seeing it the farther this goes. Completely missed her point, the whole point.
PBD is clearly friends with the Tates, but Liz is 100% correct and PBD knows it. Adam has the maturity of a teenager.
Adam represents that “mid-forties male, that focused on building a career and wealth and hooking up with chicks, rather than focusing on a wife and children” and the Tate’s rep that lifestyle. Therefore, they represent his lifestyle. An attack or disagreement on them, he sees as an attack on himself.
He's a democrat and a sex predator that just advocating for abusing and raping women
‘Love of materialism, love of self’ …she was reading him like a book.
@stablegenius365 PBD has cognitive dissonance when it comes to the Tates. He is willing to overlook their predatory behaviour towards women as collateral damage.
Over the years, I have seen this as common place in the world of men, in an effort to not make enemies or cause ripples, men will look the other way or befriend them instead of acting with integrity and shunning them. Keeping them in good standing is rewarding their behaviour and will only further the problem
@@foxyou3716 That's a VERY good summary! Completely agree.
Most of us are fans of PBD, the podcast and the team but it’s good to see most of us also can see where they can be biased. Liz is in the right here. None of us would want our kids learning this type of message nor following similar paths as the Tates.
Clearly some of the Tate brothers messages are good, but not stuff like this. Maybe they don’t sell this stuff anymore, if they do then their message gets diluted.
it was clearly satire lol, but dont people cannot understand
PBD is biased in so many way but you only realize and care know because it's something that might impact you personally.
Stop being weak. The message is normal and constructive.
The question is are they net positive or negative.. she talks about that video because it fits narrative.. there is a 1 hour lesson about discipline. Why doesn't she mention that? Is that also bad thing to teach young men?
PBD is biased, but so is she.. they are net positive, although they are human traffickers
The whole problem is that you can teach children in US public schools how to become LGBT... but adult mеn cannot learn how to become rich and have sex with virgins. You can teach a boy how to lose his virginity to a man and you can teach a girl how to lose her virginity to a woman but you can't teach grown men how to become rich and have sex with virgins
Yes, there is your answer, thanks for coming
A man’s value should be determined based on his principles, beliefs, and actions rather than financial wealth. There are countless rich men who are absolute low life scumbags.
Financial wealth is a metric/barometer and function of your principles beliefs and actions.
You dont get to tell anyone what their value is determined by. Only reality can do that, and that is why men flock to what the Tates have to say.
Keep raging against reality, my simpy friend.
This is true. And there are quite a lot studies which tie increases in wealth to lowering of empathy in individuals.
@@shogunofharlem8240 Society has imputed values determination locked. Intrinsic values have been lost to constructs. Do not be obtuse. Educate yourself dufus.
@@shogunofharlem8240just because men flock to the Tate's that doesn't make them a good for society!
Her arguement is pretty strong and ethically based, and any decent person will not counter it except if they are biased to the Tates.
Her argument over him saying taking someone's virginity yes but as to her saying they are not a positive influence on men is utter utter nonsense, both can be right and imo both are right. He is stupid to say things like that and Liz is braindead to say they are not a positive influence. Nobody can be right about all things. Think of the most terrible mistakes you have made in your life that has emotionally hurt someones else......does that mistake mean that if everyone saw you make that mistake that we should think negatively of you for the rest of your life? or just that we should think negatively of you for that decision alone. Stones and glass houses
It doesn’t apply to tates latest advise on all this
@@077Wilko yea Liz is “braindead” and you’re not
The only think Tate brought to society is the sheer mass number of incels and them pretending to be something theyre not
Since the Tates have undergone massive scrutiny, they have prioritized their message to God, family and values.
If you don't believe they have genuinely changed then that is your right, but I do believe they have repented against their past actions, and are taking their role in society more seriously.
@@077Wilko these two can be found guilty of human trafficking,you realize that right?
This is the first time i heard someone actually making a case against tate brothers that really holds weight and I stand with 90% of what Liz was saying here. Bravo lady you nailed it here, tate's hold so much power and logic when it comes to woke politics and no one can stand there ground in front of Tate's because they actually are the antidote for this woke culture but as soon as you get a little away from woke culture and gets to people with traditional values you will see how Tate brothers actually have loads of problematic ideas.
Also tates from two years ago to the date are completely different people they have evolved and alot of ideas they had back then did evolve with them.
This debate was clearly won by this Lady and panel was clearly trying to fight a losing battle where they should have gracefully accepted the wrong in the video.
They are sleaze bags there's videos of them basically catfishing young men online pretending to be women.
you are a loser man, simply a simp.
She didn't make a good case at all. She has totally missed the main message of the Tate brothers and is looking at it from a female lens.
@@joninator7858 I looked at it from the traditional male, and I know if someone did what the Tate's prescribe with my daughter or sister, chances are, I'd get my hands dirty.
Yelling is winning?! 😂😂😂
She’s right
He really said “welcome to modern day dating” unbelievable
He was actually reasonable because that's how it is
@@ephraimsondoyi9966 sorry to hear that’s your experience
@ephraimsondoyi9966 It's not. You need to find better circles to hang out around.
I actually agreed with Liz on this point. Masculinity is being stripped away from men, but a lot of what the Red Pill teaches also teaches men to stray away from true masculinity.
How is masculinity being stripped from men
@@EveningShowWithJeremiah Too strong, too influential, too rich, resentful, jealous, envious = narcissistic = head symbol of a strong successful man
And the height standard was set up by man first, the tallest and the physically strongest by genetics
@@i0li0il0i would you like to explain his point then?
@@i0li0il0i ok
At the end he tells the boys you have to take her virginity by the 2nd month anniversary correct? “While still living the playboy lifestyle” as being with other women while trying to take this girl’s virginity correct?
Nah the bimbo is just wrong
Liz is correct and clearly explains her logic which makes perfect sense-my sentiments exactly. Adam should've left a trail of breadcrumbs for him self before he started down that debate.
as shes wearing makeup deceiving men?
@@joshcapa2901what are you on about? She is married.
Perfect comment!
shes completely wrong tho. tates message is the complete opposite of this clip. This clip was made several yrs ago to a very small audience. Also the assumption that bc they did webcam 10+yrs ago they promote prn to young man is the most unlogical thing Ive heared in a while. They are literally ashamed of their actions and say in every podcast to stop watching it bc its very harmfull. People that claim what liz claims are just not informed enough and talk with very little knowledge about the topic...
@@i0li0il0iWomen are to be seen not heard. This is the problem with the loss of masculinity in the west. SIMP men listening to a woman's blabbering about what she thinks a man is, and how they should conduct themselves.
Adam was totally destroyed here. Trying to defend something that cannot be defend.
Strange… best analysis I have heard since the start of the red pill bs comes from a woman. She comes across as rational and fair in her analysis.
@@ハク-q6e1j ok I’ll respectfully listen. And am not looking to debate but can you bullet point what she missed? As I consider myself an independent who is concerned with both extremes of left and right… and the Tates seem to be far out right… but once again, I’m open to different perspectives
Liz wheeler is a ball of negativity. Only because of that I won't ever listen to her speak.
@@izg2
If the best "analysis" about the red pill in your eyes is explained by a woman, you clearly have no clue what the red pill means 🤡
@@ハク-q6e1j No, she is teaching people how to get out of the mud, tate teach them how to be no1. in the mud.
@@ハク-q6e1jYeah!!! These women are so terrible! Especially virgins!! It is your obligation to have sex with as many virgins in order to teach them a lesson. It's up to you! You must do this to save yourself. So, do what the Tates say and manipulate all of these horrible women. That will solve all of your problems
She completely owned him. I agree with her. You can be a strong man and not be morally corrupt like the tate brothers.
Learn from everybody. From what I can understand you are against the Tate brothers and thats fine. Look at parts of what they are encouraging like: "be in good physical shape", remove their names from the equation and there you have it, good advice. My point is, we should not totally agree or totally dissagree with anyone. We can all learn from the achievements, mistakes, good things, bad things of everybody.
@@NotMyAccountthat's true I got most things I take from Tate but for moral virtue it's Jordan
@DESTINYMASTER-zh4zf how are you a real man?
who is she to judge moral corruption? He isn't breaking any laws, so who cares what he talks about. People can listen to him or not. She can think that he is offensive or "bad for society" but that is irrelevant, she does not have any authority over what other people want to talk about
Being emotional doesn't mean she won a debate.
PBD is the father figure Adam needs, he got a little growing up to do. Liz is strong and rational and amazingly patient
Facts!!!!!!!!
Correct,
Adam is a fool, and his comments are ignorant!
He has a LOT of growing up to do.
A little is an understatement 😂😂he has a lot of growing
Father figure? They are literally about a year or two apart in age.
Adam is lost. There is no hope for him.
He is a simple minded dude who constantly reads from his notes when he attempts to make a point. 😂
He sounds like a teenager when he speaks.
“He’s a top G”
What an idiot 😂
Growing up..isn't Adam like 45?
She was nailing it the whole time, and he kept missing it lol.
another feminist spotted go kiss Andrew ass
its bs ... i have seen thousands of exact same videos made by women... stop with the double standard. You can now google "how to manipulate men" , or even here on youtube and you will get videos with this title and you can watch them. use make up to trick men you look beautiful and then take advantage of them. Those videos are everywhere.
im so glad that the comment section backs her. i like pbd but i was ready to unsubscribe if they didnt agree with her just for the “movement” i dont know who she is but she nailed it
@@kresimirzex2720you are boring
@@KsandrPann strong argument. expected.
Oh my God Adam was not listening at all and avoided properly answering any questions. I laughed when he said “no, you’re missing the point” when he was the only one missing the point. Liz was hands down the smartest in the room.
Found her allie
Paul Bet is the smartest person in the room
I couldn't even watch all of it
No, she was not listening. She was unwilling to listen or genuinely have a conversation, instead she just kept rattling off her prepared talking points and kept her ears shut to what he was TRYING to tell her.
Just like this uppity lady, you are totally misinformed and fueled by cope.
Liz really destroyed Adam in this interview and shows a huge blindspot in the Tate philosophy. They give great advice on ways to be a high value man but poor advice on connecting with good women. Great job by Patrick on maintaining a balance view.
High value to gold-digging sluts and 14 year old boys. Liz told that imbecile what she considers high value and imbecile tries to trap her by asking how tall her husband is.
they don't care about that, they have plenty of good women where they live, how are they gonna give any advice when the west is crumbling?
It isnt a blind spot in the sense that their philosophy is not used in pursuit of "good women"
They don't have any knowledge necessary to pursue a good woman
I would like to see a Tate vs Liz debate
At no point in that clip of Tristan did he say to lie, rape, extort, or coerce the “virgin”. All he said was date her for 3 months and that he has a tactic to try to sleep with her. I’d have to hear the “tactic” but at no point did I hear him say lie to a girl or anything about his intention to sleep with her. If she asks what his intentions are for dating her for 3 months and he lies about it, then you can make an argument for manipulation. Dating a girl for 3 months isn’t manipulation or deception unless you lie about the intent. If she makes an assumption about intent, it’s not moral or fair to hold Tristan accountable for her expecting more than what he was willing to give. It’s her who should be held accountable for her assumptions and actions if and only if she didn’t seek clarification on intent. Don’t confuse basic social dynamics with manipulation.
Way to rationalize disgusting behavior and imo is not the role model on how to be a MAN. Liz is to smart to be argued by this really terrible take.
Liz wins the argument on this one. They didn't explain how Tate's messages are not harmful, they just said there are worst things out there then what they are doing. We want to move forward, get better. The Tates are bringing us backwards not forward.
Yep. All they did was whataboutism and shifting topics instead of trying to argue the point.
Yeah that taking virginities just because it feels good part is fkd up and twisted thing to say
When you take a female virginity thats pretty much a marriage contract and you are supposed to be responsible for her. Thats how its always been.
Now him implying he would take the virginity then ghost her, thats something that would be worthy of the death penalty in many cultures and for a good reason.
You're basically defiling someones daughter at the end of the day.
Definitely not something to encourage or be proud of but is actually an abomination.
explain me backward nd forward on your perspective ??
do you think traditional values are backward ?
@@alkarana8106traditional values are literally just that it's a tradition of the past. You can literally start new traditions whenever you want too.
@@alkarana8106Taking a girl's virginity and then ghost her is a 'traditional value'? Wtf is wrong with you? 😂
I’m a 48 yr old man who’s 6 ft tall and in good shape. I own my own very successful business. I agree with her. A reel man isn’t on a mission for meaningless sex but for one good women as a life long partner in doing good and in raising children with character, integrity and values who will positively effect future society.
Your old ass is a simp
Yeah but do you want a woman who has been ploughed through by every other dude? I think not.
@@LinaSydney100no man does. But what’s the point? Find you one. It’s ridiculous to run around and screw every chick u can in the meantime. It’s dumb.
wtf does your height have to do with this you ape
you must be a single virgin correct? wake up it's 2023
Adam honestly said (at roughly 5:45) that Tristan's position was nuanced, citing that Tristan said you had to date the girl for three months. That's what passes as "nuanced" in Adam's mind? What a great defense, there.
The 3 month rule is old as dirt. Nothing nuanced about it. I was hearing that 20+ years ago as a teen
Adam uses the word frequently, he would called toilet paper nuanced if his vocabulary lacks.
Rape is also as old as dirt. They have both been evil the entire time.
Your 3 month rule is the definition of exploitation. In fact, if it was a trick to get laid, it is also rape.
@@bobjohnson1633wut?
Lol, people like you with the brain capacity of pigeons are the reason why women can turn around from sex they initially wanted, to retrospectively crying “rape” after feeling slighted. @@bobjohnson1633
Andrew Tate is highly controversial and a disagree with a lot of what he says, but he pushes a line that nobody else will. I respect that.
Liz is absolutely right on this account. Men need to help other men be better men. Manipulating and objectifying women are not the traits of mature men. If you like the Tates, help them be better men. They don't need to sacrifice one ounce of their masculinity in order to not take advantage of and manipulate women.
For what incentive though? What is the reward for being a "better man"? The dudes breaking all the rules get the best women in their prime/20s. And the "better men" get their leftovers. No thanks.
@@BossItUp911they’re not getting the best women. They get the damaged ones and the traumatized ones. I don’t see any respectable women gushing about Tate, in fact I don’t see any women except for Candace Owens and one Slovakian prostitute
When do women help other women to "be better"? At what point do women ever take responsibility? Why is it always assumed that it's the man manipulating the woman? Do women not have agency?
@Alexander44665 women are the biggest manipulators , they rarely ever actually truly love a partner , unconditionally , its always condonationally but they will lie about thay from word go
Lizz point is "tell me you didn't watch their videos except for clips, without telling me that".
So is your point
Pat and Adam interviewed Andrew and Tristan probably close to a full day (counting on- and off-air) yet Liz outdebated them without as much as a sweat. Liz is on a whole another level.
She was well versed no doubt its all ass licking from people like this got respect for pat but too much ass licking over the months and when you ass lick you have 0 respect as a man
She's using a secret debating technique is why, her opinion is just right lol. It's really difficult to argue against someone who is making a lot of sense.
Liz is a tough ass broad! ❤💪
@@maozedong1913no, she explained her position quite well, answered pointed questions when asked to do so, and brought up valid points and questions of her own (that weren't really addressed). The glossing over and argument fallacies were on the part of Adam, and I'm embarrassed for you that you can't even perceive that.
@@nomdeguerre8464, this is why you still ride the short bus. I wrote only 2 sentences and you lacked the reading comprehension to see I was applauding her.
PBD threw Adam into the fire with this one 😂😂😂 but I like how he saves him and articulates how most men view the Tate brothers.
No one can touch adam he is Jewish 😉
@@abdoumokrane275 Liz touched him so inappropriately he might need to see a therapist
Only men who aren’t men, and have no concept of manhood, look up to the Tate brothers. Only an absolute lack of masculinity, a desperation for it, would cause anyone to look up to a wannabe pimp crime lord who brags about manipulating women into sex work, slavery practically, and boasts about how he dupes his followers too, as some “role model” just because he throws a few common sense words in with his BS.
😂 Adam comes off as an Andrew Tate groupie
@@BustBackTvHe is and it's weak. Whole culture of simping for other men.
The only thing i learn from adam is that silence can be waaay better than talking sometimes …
She is like 5 levels above this guy in intellect and honesty.
He bragged about smashing 17 year olds, lied to girls to get them into camming and taking money from men via scamming them-they’re not good role models to be learning from
16 is the LEGAL age of consent in the Uk.
@@mellisa752still aint right 😂
GAHAHHAHAHAHHA HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT 17 YEARS OLD LOOOOL WHAT A HATERRRR , SEND ME THE CLIP AND PROVE ME WRONG I DARE YOU
@@NikoPaisa87why?
@@Mrtarazn even if he did its legal its legal. If we believe that is too young then raise up the age.
This isn’t even a debate. She’s making excellent points. Adam is babbling…thank God for Tom bringing some sense to the conversation.
Are we going to speak from idealistic stand point or from reality. The reality is it doesn't matter how nice you are, women are still going reject you & other men are not going to respect you if you're not accomplished man. Especially in America with so much divorce, wokeness, men need a wake up call & the Tate Brothers are doing that well
She isnt making any excellent points. She is just making vague ideological statements, misrepresents Tate and takes everything out of context. She is no different than a democrat
@@MosesShabalala I think that’s a big contributing factor to the dysfunction. We’re seeing today. So we either decide to continue to support that dysfunction or to stand for a different set of ideals, establish those ideals, and then encourage the world to change. Not feed into the continue dysfunction by saying there’s dysfunction so this behavior is OK.
@@118eighteen that’s a little crazy. That’s like saying I value that someone puts emphasis on their health and then saying well then why didn’t you marry a doctor. Adam and Patrick to a certain extent represent a certain kind of male chauvinism that is actually part of the backlash against toxic masculinity. Anger is certainly better than hopelessness so the reaction we’re seeing is in a sense progress, but the goal is love and compassion. I don’t think justifying bad behavior by pointing out examples of other bad behavior really gets anywhere other than more bad behavior. And as far as what God requires of people, I’m not as confident as you seem to be about knowing what that means.
Ask a western girl how much money guy should make? She would say 500 thousands dollars and then men are wrong if we say you need money
Liz is right. As she's rightly pointed out, the Tate brothers diagnose a real problem but their solutions are indeed harmful. That singular comment "I do 2 or 3 virgins a year" nullified anything else Tristan had to say. I can't think of a more objectifying statement. I've got two sons and I'd hate for any of them to think that way. The Tate's need to improve their messaging.
PBD did a 6 hr interview with Andrew a few months ago. If you REALLY want to get some insight into what he and his brother are preaching watch that… rather than a 2 min clip. I think you’ll come away surprised.
So you think your sons cutting off their parts is better than following the Tate's advice?
Grab her by the pussy. But that man has the hearts of 70%of America… so yeah men can say some messed up stuff but he leaders we need… they aren’t perfect but they teach you to be strong, work on yourself and grind your craft to be the man you want to be.. how is that bad?… have the ability to differentiate people… we don’t all grab her by the pussy.. but we most certainly don’t let millions of people across our border… point being… you must accept a little crazy for the good… that clip of them is horrible, bad men.. but look what they are inspiring,, weak men to stand up.. I second that approach.
If he became True Muslim he wouldn't do this.
Liz failed to explain why she thinks Tate’s message is self-destructive. Being boyfriend of virgins is bad? Wahhh. The uck
I admire Liz ' patience with Adam.
Wow adam looked like an idiot. Kept saying she was missing the point, but it was him who missed the point. Pushing back against the “toxic masculinity “ narrative and wanting to be successful is fine no one is arguing against that, the issue is the virgin hunting materialistic bs. The tates can say some good things i agree with for sure, its all thrown out the window with all the other garbage they talk about. The dude is literally bragging and explaining how to manipulate young woman , its so indefensible im embarrassed for adam . Major L on his part .
Haha, nothing was manipulative he said! If you think women dont talk the same way about men you really should think about growing up.😂
@@soacker25how is it not manipulative?
it's consensual, what's you're point
Gaaayydam
@@xoy6471Not if they are getting tricked into believing they are in a serious relationship.
19:00 PBD commits the Black and White Fallacy
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
That's the Jews. Always has been for the past hundreds of years. The Tates are talked about all the time. They're always bringing up the Tate brothers on everyone's mind . Jews are who you cant talk about. I believe in free speech on anyone. All people should be able to speak freely. But critisizing a jew is like "hate speech" on steroids.
Disabled kids?
@@martyzocc1380israel
Isreal?
Andrew Tate?
I don't understand how you can possibly defend Tristan's advice here. The woman was absolutely spot on about the Tate's message of materialism and thinking of women as objects. I, as a woman, also agree that masculinity is under attack in the west and the Tate brothers also explain and describe it flawlessly, however, their prescription of how to go about it is where I draw the lines.
Watch more of their content. The message is far deeper than the 15 second clips. A lot of the "older" (not that old) content is not spoken seriously and has been corrected in more recent times. As a man, we need them.. I love them, and whether they prescribe good or bad, people have a choice to act on that or not.
i dont understand how you can throw out lies. No one in this video said that what tristan said about taking viriginites was good. They are talking about 99% of the other things they preach. Fucking tiktok brains out here not understanding simple words.
I think girls should be taught by a parent that there are always going to be men like this. If your daughter does not have a male and female role model that can prepare them for the world, I would hope you would get involved in your church or big brothers or big sisters, etc. They need to see positive relationships modeled so they will know how to choose a wisely. This is not a Tate problem, this is a parenting problem.
Women telling men how to be men. 😂😂😂😂.. The Tates all the way
No one can destroy masculinity
Liz is 100% right here.
How ridiculous Jedediah Bila sounds in comparison with Liz
No
Nope
Agreed
How so?
You know that Video explained nun and we’re only 20Yrs old 🤣🤣🤣
U stupid
Liz is the kind of woman that has no problem with a woman taking all of a man’s money in divorce court, but gets mad at a man playing a virgin. Double standards for days.
As a 17 year old who actually benefited from the tate brothers.
I completely agree with her.
Very impressive discussion by Liz. Made her points and held her composure despite Adam's interruption, condescension and weak argumentation. Kudos to Tom for objectively stating what he thinks. I get it PBD and Adam are friends with them, so they're biased. Then say you're biased. Liz was logical (in a world where many use logical fallacies) and had Adam spinning in circles. Liz was also right when she called out PBD's inconsistency. Usually PBD can articulate first principles. He's very good at this. Yet here he compared "this education" is better than "that (much worse) education." That's poor argumentation, and not coming from a place of principle. Could've just said, hey they're my friends, they share a bunch of great messages, and with this one they missed the mark.
Although Liz was very logical, she would lose a direct debate against Andrew Tate.
She was getting loud 😂
nothing wrong with our education, just republicans have always been anti public schools so they spread lies about education system. its districts that control school boards not government anyway.
How is that a good case if her own husband is essentially a follower of 'Tateism' but doesn't know it and she picked him because of traits Tates' promote and encourage? Delusional woman that can't recognize reality.
@@Notorious_Network my thoughts 2
6:27- The answer to that is "It's the reality we live in now. PLUS that was a question that was asked to Tristan Tate, and he simply gave his expertise and knowledge to the men. What? Free speech right? It's upto to them to follow"
Patrick bet David is really good at dissolving differences 👏🏼 but no one can’t take away the fact that Liz nailed the flag of victory in this argument. And that other guy on the left .. yeah he completely drank the coolaid, we should all call him Neo 😅
He has his own show where he “interviews” mostly Only Fan girls and pretty much tells them that any woman is not worth marrying after 27. I kid you not.
He’s basically Tate light all he does is be a playboy and bang young women and then throw them away.
@@nathaliediedrichs3306 Yep. He's absurdly toxic, and a huge number of people live here in an absolute denial. Everything to defend Tates. They're no better than the far left.
He’s actually a club too which surprised me.
You have to manipulate EVERY GIRL in order to sleep with her, unless she's broken and just casually Fs around....
This is why I follow Andrew Tate as a 24 year old Man:
“You're as competent as possible if you believe absolutely everything that's happened to you whether good or bad is completely your fault.” -Andrew Tate
“The man who goes to the gym every single day regardless of how he feels will always beat the man who goes to the gym when he feels like going to the gym.” -Andrew Tate
“The temporary satisfaction of quitting is outweighed by the eternal suffering of being a nobody.” -Andrew Tate
I agree. And there's like literally maybe 30 more of these. The guy's actually on another level.
@@dumbichhxx It’s great to know there are other young men seeking masculine achievement. I don’t think people realize you can disagree with 25% of what somebody says and still learn from the 75% of good they bring.
Grow up and stop being a follower.
Hes the leader we all needed. That Spartan style of speech that gets us off our ass and keeps us moving. With a righteous purpose based on masculinity and brotherhood its beautiful.
Those are some pretty nice quotes, definitely inspiring, but doesnt change the fact that the guy is a total scum bag.