Best PEDALS for LIVE PERFORMANCES? - TC HELICON - StrumentiMusicali.net
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This is exactly what I needed 🙏🏻 thank you so much!
Excellent reviews of all the devices! Giving great and understandable explanations for someone like me who doesn't know too much about audio yet, The quality and production of a video with hundreds of thousands of views, and you deserve it! Hope this gets out to more people!
Thanks Sammi, really appreciated!
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Great video, very helpful ! Thanks !
I love my mic mechanic! Looking to get the harmony singer soon🤘🏻🤘🏻
Great video!
Nicely done.
Great demo 👍
Great review, thank you.
Brilliant 👊🏾
Very good explained. This helped me a lot. Thank you for your time
Great sir!! Thx!
Really good review thanks. I'm looking at how to work with a single saxophone through a mic to get a fuller band sound so this is a real help. I woud have liked a comparison of tthe Critical Mass pedal with the TCH Duplicator.
Luv your review Sir... more power...!
Thanks!
Very concise review of these pedals. Most of the reviews I've seen were just using the phone mic picking up the whole room, not running direct to the audio track so you could hear what the pedal is doing. Even the official videos didn't cover them in great detail. Well done!
I picked up a Mic Mechanic, Duplicator, and Harmony Singer 2 a couple of years ago. I liked the HS2 so much I bought 2 more!
One thing you can do with them is run your mic into a mic splitter (I use a Whirlwind Split 6 parallel 6-way splitter) and then run into multiple Harmony Singer pedals at once, and each pedal into its own mic channel, for truly massive harmony effects.
While the HS2 is designed to use a guitar or keyboard (or anything that normally plays chords as opposed to single lines) to guide the harmony, the chord used will influence the harmony. So, if you play a Major chord, then change to a Minor chord, the harmony will be Minor as well.
The harmonies are 3rd and 5th above, and 4th and 6th below. The settings that use 2 harmonies are restricted to 3rdup+4th down, 5th up+6th down, 4th+6th down, and 3rd+5th up. A single pedal can't give you mixed harmonies of 3rd up+6th down, or 5th up+4th down, or 3rd+5th up + 4th+6th down. However, using multiple pedals and the mic signal split parallel to each one, and each pedal having a different setting, you can achieve truly massive harmonies. Just using 2 pedals will give you both up + both down, or 2 up + one down, or 2 down + one up.
This is good enough to do Queen covers - Fat Bottomed Girls, Bohemian Rhapsody, Somebody To Love, etc.
Finally, if you run two HS2s set to two harmonies each, then merge them into a 3rd and 4th pedal of any type (just to get them passing through the mic paths), then you can run the last one in the chain into a Duplicator set to Octaves for absolutely colossal harmonies. We're talking Mormon Tabernacle Choir: 3rd+5th an octave up AND an octave down + 4th+6th an octave up AND an octave down. It sounds amazing. Running them into each other can create bizarre harmony effects (3rd above harmonized a 4th down, etc.).
The band I was in last year had an original where I activated one HS2 (set for 3rd above) for the first chorus, then a 2nd one (set to 4th below) for the 2nd chorus, and at the end I had all 3 pedals plus the Duplicator doing octaves on just one pedal (set to 5th up+6th down) and the effect was stunning. The layers got thicker each time, and the chorus had such impact!
I did try to split the vocal signal into the instrument input, to see if you can use your voice as the guide for the harmony, but I'm not a great singer, so while it works, it's not ideal. The smallest fluctuations in pitch are magnified. Maybe if I could convince a good singer to do it, it'd sound better.
I think the Critical Mass could do actual crowd singing, like Another Brick In The Wall's "We Don't Need No Education" boy's choir bit or "Centerfold" by J. Geils if it had some help from another octave pedal like the Duplicator, or even another Critical Mass.
Thanks for your detailed comment
hey matt, just a quick question, how do you connect the mic mechanic 2 and the harmony singer 2 together? sorry just a beginner who wants to learn, thank you!
@@nhormar You can run into either one first, but I’d run into the HS2 first, then the XLR output into the MM mic input. In this configuration, use the Reverb and Tone Switch of the Mic Mechanic only, otherwise it may cause problems with the MM’s tracking. If you do put the MM first, the delay of the MM will definitely cause problems for the HS2.
Nice review, thanks for sharing 🙏
I like your voice very much!!
Thanks a lot Steven, appreciated!
Grazie! Great review!
You're welcome!
perfect review ‼
Awesome
sir i am indian flute player which processor is best for live stage performance ?
AWESOME! I love that tune you had playing the one you are singing, and I heard the effects, it makes the song sound really full. can i buy the song you made, is it on itunes? and I have a question for you, can you hook up the harmony singer daisy chain it to the mic mechanic then to the critical mass pedal? please let me know asap thank you grat pedals thanks for this video.
Thanks man, you can daisy chain them, but if you need a more complex sound maybe you should look at the voicelive models.
The song was just a demo for this video, maybe I'll release it in the future, thanks a lot for appreciating it!
What sequence should you hook them up if you are using all of those pedals.
Luca , una domanda importante: dal momento che uso sempre un pre amp ( il Fet Head Triton) che necessita del Phantom Power, si può usare il Tc Helicon se dal microfono ho un pre ? O rischio di combinare un danno irreversibile al mio Shure ed al pedale ( oltre al mixer) ? Grazie per l'informazione che potrai darmi. Ciao
What all do I need to do a small live show? I have a tc helicon c1 and im not sure what all equipment I need to make that happen. Almost like a checklist if u will
is it possible to connect and use the 3 together?
Can these pedals be connected together to use using single microphone
Does the tone knob stay on even when you dont hit the effect?
Anybody Please!.Step by step on how to connect the TC Helicon Harmony Singer 2 to an Electric guitar amp so I can use this with my electric guitar. i have both a Fender Champion 100 and a Gamma 50 watt Amp. I am currently running it through my Fishman LoudBox Artist which has two channel (one for Mic and 1 for Guitar) inputs. .I also have a Mixer and 2-12 inch Mackie speakers. Thank you on advance!
Is the critical mass similar to the new tc duplicator?
Great review.
I haven't used the Critical Mass, but I have the Duplicator. It appears to me the Critical Mass was divided into the Duplicator and Harmony Singer. The Duplicator has only Octave (one up, one down, all the time, with only the effect level adjustable, not the interval), and then what is essentially a very slow chorus for the Tight and Loose settings to simulate the inherent flaws with human doubling. It's detuned/shifted just enough to give a noticeable pitch difference, like half a semitone, and then slightly delayed to give thickness.
I have a question, I’m looking for a pedal that can give me a good auto tune sound live such as Tory lanez type vibe? Anyone got any suggestions?
What about using the Critical Mass pedal and then adding harmonies with the blue pedal?
That would be quite interesting
Can u connect all 3 pedals together?
Salve ho il pedale Mechanic 2 mi chiedevo un sistema per aumentare il volume al mixer c'è ? Grazie
How does the correction work? As far as when the music is playing what is it tuning against?
Nearest semitone.
I have a harmony singer and have ordered a Mic Mechanic 2. Could you advise in which order they should be connected. For example, Mic Mechanic into the Harmony Singer, or the other way round? Thankyou for your review of these nice products.
I'd go with Mic Mechanic first
@@TheGuitalian Thankyou. That was my first thought, but nice to get a second opinion. Pete.
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Great review, but I wonder if I could connect two or the three pedals together , other way I need 3 diferent mics connected to every pedal just to get the 3 benefits 😂
You can daisy chain them
@@TheGuitalian Hey, thanks for your quick replay !! that’s great then ..
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I should get some royalties from that
I have a deep low ptch voice can one of these pedals help brighten and make my voice sound louder and more clear?
Slightly, but you probably need to improve your vocal technique first
Thanks for the video. I feel that TCH makes all these overlapping products just to make money and confuse the heck out of consumer. There is no reason why the three products cannot be combined into just one pedal.
You can buy the tc helicon live, as I actually did recently, but I’m
A guitar player with a good understanding of effects chain. Generally speaking, singers are not that nerdy and they’d be more happy with simple products as these ones
They make several products that have many more effects than just these. But they are more money. If you only want the Mic Mechanic, why should you have to spend $350 or more for one of those multi-FX units when you can just by the one Mic Mechanic for $150? Different people need different things.
All i want is a vocal pedal that has the compression, a chorus and Reverb with settings 1-10. no presets and no other bullshit.
Just for a solo guitar vocalist.
Is there such a pedal?.
Just wondering....did you receive these vocal pedals for free from TC Hellicon? Thx
No, I do demos for StrumentiMusicali.net that is an Italian store
Flamma just made a pedal like this, so basically the same but made 5 years later, probably with newer algorythms... Which one can you suggest, guys? Anyone tried both?
What’s Flamma?
@@Dr.Jekyll a chinese brand
@@l.g.5899 oh ok. Thanks. I haven’t heard of them yet.
does the pitch correction on here access # and flats?
It appears to be chromatic, but it can have some trouble tracking the intended note. I believe the Mic Mechanic came out before the Harmony Singer 2, as it doesn't have an instrument input to help guide the correction, so it's likely guessing at what note you're aiming for. If you're a few cents closer to the flat or sharp but you meant to hit the other or natural, the correction will pull towards the closest interval.
Can I connect a keyboard instead of the guitar to the Harmony machine, would that work ?
It's supposed to! Have never done it myself, but keyboard chords are probably more accurate than many guitarist chords, since you don't have to worry about string-bending or any notes in the chord being out of tune. Sweetwater reviews have some keyboardists giving a thumb's-up.
You can connect guitar or keyboard to it, but it works best with chords than individual/single notes. It's not recommended to use with a bass supplying the instrument input, probably because that's typically single notes more than chords, but that all depends on the music you play.
Can the tc helicon blue pedal be used with distortion on an electric guitar?
You should place it before the distortion
It cannot be used as a guitar harmonizer, if that's what you mean. I've tried it. Miked cabinet into the mic input, guitar running into the instrument input, then into the amp. The tracking goes absolutely nuts. Great psycho sounds, but cannot act as a guitar harmony unit. As for where to place it in the chain, it should be as close to the guitar as possible; before any other effects including wah, pitch, or distortion.
is it possible to connect and use 2 or even all 3 together? For example, Mic and Harmony
I think so, but for pretty much the same price you can go for the more complex models that include more features
@@TheGuitalian Do you recommend any ?
It is possible, but the more complex effect (Harmony) should run into the simpler effect (Mic Mechanic) for best results and to help with the pedal's tracking. Whichever one is last should use the tone switch, as it can cause artifacts if it's at the start of the chain.
I would have thought the mic mechanic should go first then the harmony then the black one (if at all).
@@russelldawkins9094 You can run them in any order, to be honest, but you'll get better results if the Mic Mechanic is last. If you're using the MM for Delay, you don't want it going into the HS2, which is reliant on the guitar input for guidance. I suppose you could, if the delay time and repeats were set long enough, change to a minor chord while the vocal input has stopped but the repeats are repeating into the HS2, which would shift them to a minor key, but that's an outside chance IMO. Give it a try. You may have a hit song from it.
Personally, I'd put the MM last, for the delay.
Though I haven't used it myself, the Critical Mass seems to have the same effect as the Duplicator with a ton of preset reverb to make it sound like a crowd in a room. Because of that reverb, and the duplicated vocals which are shifted slightly as well, you wouldn't want that running into the Harmony Singer 2, because it will be difficult for the harmony algorithm to track. I might pick one of those up and run some tests on it with my other pedals, see if I can find a way to get Another Brick In The Wall or We Will Rock You out of it.
I am an casual guitar player, mostly play and sing.
Which one will more useful for me - Duplicator or Mic Mechanic?
Do you need doubling effects?
@@TheGuitalian , I am undecided as to which one is more useful or common, doubling vs echo?
echo
Has anyone tc helicon gtx if yes any impressions? ;)
Mic mechanic has a lot of great features. However, the quality of delay and reverb is just not that that good. Those effects should be in stereo. It would create a bigger vocal.
Can you run these pedals in a chain? Like all 3 pedals in the same signal chain?
You can, but if you need a more complex sound you could consider a more complex pedalboard like the tc helicon live
You can run them into each other (mic outs to mic ins), just be aware that the more drastic effect should go first. In my experience, the Harmony Singer running into a Duplicator (not shown in this video) works best, as it has an octave setting which really expands the harmonies.
what is the name of the song you sing?
It's a song of mine, I'd say it's called "free from tomorrow" :)
Do you like it?
@@TheGuitalian Of course! I love it, where can I buy it?
U never went threw the reverb for the red one
The reverb for all of these pedals is the same, so if you hear it on one, you've heard it on all of them.
The voice correction pedal Dix have an autotune sound.
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The best effect pedal for vocals is Ableton and a midi foot switch 🥲
you're probably forgetting a laptop and an audio interface too ;)
@@TheGuitalian Ableton suggests having a laptop, but interface sure, you got me. Idk, if you don’t see my point than feel free to waste your money. This is 2023, there’s no need for crappy voice pedals unless it’s your only option-and why that would be the case is anyone’s guess.
Of course I got your point, for recording I agree with you. But for live performances I don't think that carrying a laptop with audio interface is a smart solution for any singer out there, let's be real
@@TheGuitalian i suppose… but you can easily put a tripod table next to the mic stand and leave it be for the show while just mindin your midi control surface. This is what I do live and it works out great for me. I use a launchpad to adjust my effects with MIDI CC and it turns heads without fail. To each their own though, my stage production isn’t exactly small or simple.
I understand, but you are definitely not the AVERAGE singer. Usually singers are not nerdy at all, I've seen many singers find these pedals already difficult to understand. Of course if you are already into production and stuff like that you can find other more complex solutions
Critical Mass isn't as popular as its siblings because you need to know how to sing well to get the most out of it. It does not have a pitch corrector, nor dubbing to sweeten the mix. Your songs are a mass of Cantabrian people with the talent that you are capable of expressing.
I had these but when you play live the Engineer doesn,t want you telling him how to mix the sound and he is the boss .So I sold it
So true
That’s when you tell the engineer to Do their job and stop taking away your creativity
@@ERMAV I,ll try it .
@@Jack-fs2im it’s a risk, and sometimes you will get a troll of an engineer that will sabotage you. But I remember the time an artist told me (a sound guy) those same words, and it totally changed the way I do sound for everyone now. It’s not about me and my opinions of sound. It’s about making the artist be heard in the way they see fit:)
@@ERMAV Yes and buying them a beer and befriending them helps.Also I pretend I don,t know and ask him best way to use my vocal equip.
An excellent review, practice is the most important thing, now I understand how they differ in reality. It's better to buy a vocal processor and it's easier and cheaper. Mass sounds like a toilet bowl, a horrible soapy creature. The harmonizer blue sounds great, but is useless without an instrument, and a mechanic is not needed at all. There will be no time to tap the tempo, and even on delays, we need presets that will switch.
Spend more money and buy other offerings from TC Helicon. Don’t put don’t these pedals. Who the hell doesn’t have time to tap a delay during the intro of a song? Or during a count in? Doesn’t matter. By their Voice Play Live or something else and stop complaining.
U need to becareful on the tone cos it causes feed back
I like to sing Acapella without the music.
You can do a lot better with your money than buying these three pedals mechanic the red one I have just found pedal that does exactly the same thing at quarter of the price sound quality is pretty good and eventually I will find other pedals to replace the other two which will be away better deal these pedals are ridiculous price
And the pedal is...?
Who un-boxes you? and lets you out!
Great. More fake music.
For some Reverb, delay and harmonizer?
Terribly sad. The language barrier is terrible.
These pedals do have great uses. But this video does not do it justice.
Horrible.
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