when that cop said "how does she pose a threat to the children" , I hope he remembers those words forever, especially since he didn't support the father's concern.
@@mimimomo4902 why put after in capitals? your statement makes what @pickleAllergy says even more valid? ??? ??????? seems like you didnt understand the comment (even tho its simple) and then wanted to correct someone? even tho your confused? just tired of shit like this
@foreverblessed3511 are you ok? The reason why I put "after" in capital is to highlight that the officer had the audacity to ask him about what threat she poses despite Charles telling him that she had lost her mind. You clearly didn't understand my comment. Next time, just ask politely
Either that cop is laughing or crying for the rest of his miserable life! These people are paid to ignore threats to human life yet you are forbidden to even defend yourself!
@@waaaah5305 it’s really come to this. Women’s stories are always valued and taken into consideration more than the man’s. It’s crazy how easily women can manipulate law enforcement to take their side even when they are the shit stirrer. Through my parents divorce I learned that pretty quick
As an ex police officer, her interview threw up red flag after red flag. Laughing and joking when your husband just got shot dead in your home. The use of “whatever” instead of actually explaining something, and no follow up by the questioner. 🚩🚩🚩
that's what happens a lot of the time when the wife goes crazy. everything is so tilted in the woman's favor, cops could stop her from trying to throw her kids I to a woodchipper, arrest her, and the next court date would be like "OK, we can move to 50/50 custody"
The funny thing is the DA only wanted to prosecute when the kids went missing not when the husband was killed! The justice system is neglecting innocent men!
That is not enough reason, sadly has Lori demonstrated, people lie. Police can't just go off what one person says without seeing the other person. Otherwise, we'd be back to Salim times. It didn't help that Charles stole her purse which didn't look good on him. Then somehow, she passed the mental eval (The fuck!?). Now I wanna know why they didn't investigate why he was shot on the ground, fucking crazy. And after the autopsy, why did nobody ask why it took them 45 minutes to call 911?
Poor guy he literally told EVERYONE that she'd threatened to murder him and they ignored him and she did it , just because she's a woman doesn't mean the threat is any less, those cops should be sued , the guy paid with his life for their apathy and indifference.
She saw her ex husband on the floor dead after getting shot and her first reaction was I gotta get JJ to school? like cmon this detective should’ve seen the lies from a mile away
Fuck yes! If you've gotten lured into a cult, you've lost your mind 100% of the time. This one she got caught up in sounds extra stupid, too. Baffling people will listen to some randos delusions and wholeheartedly believe in them too.
@@joshlewis575 In all honesty I studied mythology for six years, and although I'm into AI and robots nowadays, I can say with confidence that joining a cult is the stupidest thing ever, because once you go to Hell, I can guarantee it won't be worth it, that's why I'm a Christian.
No it's the hospitals. The cops took her after the commitment papers and she was in the station. The hospital let her go in 2 hrs. And custody is with the courts but dunno if he went there at all, even to petition for emergency custody. To everyone talking to her she seemed normal. We have hindsite. until she let her beliefs became known to those not in a close circle, she was a women going through a divorce with a man trying to make her look nuts. Esp since the daughter backed her. Words are words they don't have authority to do anything unless followed with actions. Which is unfortunate.
@saturninesmile9580 I'm guessing the fact she giggled all the way through the interview (after her husbands death) - I guess that went right over your head,,huh ?
@@saturninesmile9580the cops didn’t even want to entertain the possibility that she was in the wrong, watch the initial interrogation of her brother, herself, and the daughter, the story was so inconsistent and they just wrote it off as self defense
So sad for charles he did everthing right and was still killed, he seams like he was a great guy and them children would have thrived with him. Too bad his claim werent taken more serious, this is the worse possible outcome.
The problem about society will just label a woman as a victim automatically, and the man as an aggressor/suspect, You could tell that man was distraught during his first and second questioning with the police.
I hate this happened. It breaks my heart. No one is perfect, but he seemed genuinely concerned and, well, terrified. But no one took him seriously. Not one. Sure, some of the police were probably sympathetic, but had the roles been reversed you can imagine the lengths police would’ve gone to. Here there was none of that. At most it was an attitude of, “that sucks man, good luck.” Men are disposable these days. We’ve always been disposable, but it’s getting worse. This isn’t equality. This is shameful.
This case has always frustrated me. They always believe the “pretty blonde bubbly lady” if she’s charming enough and this cost 3 people’s lives. It’s disgusting. People need to start listening to sincere cries for help. The scariest part is this brother person was brainwashed as well. Chad Daybell was one hell of a predator on weak minded people.
She wanted famé and pomp he wanted à blonde but not the dead weight. They both were not brain washed just pure evil and selfish, using religion as a should for their corruption
Charles in that video totally breaks my heart. He knew what was going on. The authorities appeared to NOT TAKE CHARLES SERIOUSLY.... God bless Charles RIP🙏
Its so sad that he warned the police that she was going to kill him and that she was a threat to their kids too, and they didn't listen. He tried to get their help 3 times and all that was done was the mental health evaluation from lori.
If the roles were reversed and the wife was expressing her concerns to the police about the husband, this whole situation would have gone differently. The wife is clearly a complete psychopath. How can you believe someone who uses the word "Whatever" to describe everything?
Facts... As many times as he had to call them to enforce court orders,she should have been arrested every time she didn't comply with the order... Then they extort the man about her purse and then they'll enforce the 5150,just ridiculous... He's the only one with court evidence to back up what he says,and her having zero calls to police about him supposedly being violent .. women who have violent husbands always call the cops at least once,even if they're dumb enough to stay...
@@mikewhite3123 Yup, weird how the cops tell him he can't take her purse yet she openly bragged about locking him out of his own home and taking all of his stuff, including his car. wtf.
Literally, everybody involved in this case could still be alive, but due to negligence stupid people who work for the police and the courts three people are already dead. The brother killed himself, because he knew that he was going to jail for life and Laurie and that guy are going to go to jail for life like it’s very obvious that the shooting wasn’t in self-defense as far as the brother goes. He literally ran into a room, then ran back out and then shot Charles, that’s not self-defense
And she was giggling throughout the interview. Remember the context, her husband had just been murdered in front of her by her brother, after which she just takes the kids to school. She's so nonchalant in telling the story and casually giggling throughout the interview thati's supper creepy and abnormal behavior for that situation. She has no signs of shock, or grief, or any emotion really. It's a true textbook example of a psychopath and instead of recognizing the behavior as strange the detective was charmed by her.
I love how this one cop coming in is more interested in unlocking the door on the other side even though it doesn't need to be open because the other door is open on the other side and you can just walk through it it surely displays stupidity in lack of empathy. These are like some of the worst cops I've ever seen.
I'm a body language expert, and scenes in interrogations OMG how much lying is going on. 13:42 she has gotten physical with kids. It's traumatizing to see so much lying.
Those detectives were gullible. The woman kept laughing as she described how her husband was killed. He grabbed a bat from his stepdaughter to stop her from hitting him, and then he’s grabbed from behind from an uncle who is fighting him. Then uncle gets a gun from upstairs, comes downstairs and kills him and it’s selfdefense.
Yeah and the uncle even told a different story. He said he walked in and saw Charles with the bat and didn’t do anything and went to go get his gun... Yet the girls said he came in and put him in a chokehold
I dont know but I felt something off about all this. Like weird and illogical ,the women also belonged to a cult didnt she? It was like everything had some type of interference. I mean what if all the cops and the people in that town were actually cult members? The husband used to go for long business trips so he didnot got affected.
She was crazy that she was listening to demons. Her husband said she was constantly talking to an angel. There are fallen angels. If the spirit you’re talking to is telling you to murder, lie, or that Jesus isn’t God or self harm is how you get to God your the one listening to demons and it’s literally the anti-Christ spirit that’s got you, but the person doesn’t need to die to have a demon cast out of them. But people absolutely can be demonized. The fruit of lies and murder show she was demonized and lacked faith that Jesus (Mark 16) would be enough.
Yes I see your point but she was only young and probably believed all the lies her mother had filled her head with. She managed to convince the police and a psychiatrist she was absolutely fine, no mention of her thinking she was a goddess and all the other crazy stuff! She didn’t deserve to be killed by her own mother. The whole story is just crazy!
My goodness what terrible replies . Lori and Chad are responsible for the deaths of two innocent children, her husband, Chad's wife, and her brother Alex Cox turned up dead as well when they didn't need him anymore. Saying you don't feel sorry for a murdered girl? What a worthless comment. Nobody needs your nonexistent sympathy. You should feel sorry for your empty self.
She was surely interviewed by a doctor, and if she didn't show signs of acute psychosis requiring immediate hospitalisation, then the only option would be to release her. Maybe they did find something but only wanted to follow up and treat, because she managed to hid the acute and extreme severity of it. Look at that first interview with the police when she has her daughter with her. She seems pretty normal there, doesn't she? If she was like that with the doctor, then that would be the answer why she wasn't forcibly hospitalised.
The thing is, we expect doctors to be able to understand someone who is a psychopath but the issue is, psychopaths are smart and manipulative. They can adjust in any situation and make it seem like they are the best and most innocent people.
I would love to hear interviews with the doctor(s) who evaluated Lori and released her in 2 hours. Just would love to know what their observations were. Sadly, when people are truly psychopathic, its not that hard to lie your way through evaluations.
Those AZ Cops have Charles and the kids blood on their hands! If they had believed him or tried to help him, maybe those kids and Tammy and Charles would still be alive. Men need domestic protection too. In fact Charles family should sue the department. Absolutely.
I don’t think the cops are the problem. Lori and her convincing lies were the problem. My heart goes out to Charles, those beautiful kids and much later, to Tammy.
My ex lost my son I was fighting for my freedom. For something I didn’t do. And she locked my son in car to sell her body for drugs. So bro I’m pray all I can really do
Cops treated him like he was crazy I blame law enforcement for his death and the children they were given multiple chances to intervene and did NOTHING. Just because you’re Incapable of understanding doesn’t mean it’s not to be taken seriously. Gilbert Police department should be held accountable 👍.
Literally if one person listen to the husband three people including two children would still be alive, almost like the court system treats husbands/fathers as second rate citizens
Men are abused and everyone turns a blind eye. This is heart wrenching, I can’t even finish it. I hope the sweet ladies in prison show her how evil she is.
No! It is the half world that is crazy. I live in Scandinavia and it is the same here. The problem in modern society is that we give everybody a high education without measuring their IQ first, so we end up with people that have learned more than their IQ can deal with. Begining making cults, sekts, criminality, corruption, terrorism and all sort of shit, because they are wise but no IQ to fattom the consecvence of their actions. Have a positive and lucky future, I think we all will need it.
Fox News and Trump have plenty of followers, I agree with you! Our country is crazy. I was a Republican for 25 years until this man took office. I wonder if this woman is an illegitimate offspring of Trump. Delusional.
Men, this is why you have to pick your partner carefully. Marriage is just a government document making it harder to split. At least 75% of marraiges have failed one partner or the other.
The Psychologist does a LOUSY job interrogating the wife, LORI, by using leading questions all the while saying "I dont want to put words into your mouth." Etc. She is coaching or prompting her testimony, leading her instead of letting the client speak for herself. BAD JOB in discovery leading to the subsequent husband's needless murder.
we tend to think of ppl who get into cults as victims but it seems like they also can be narcissists who believe they are better than everyone else, my heart and soul to the kids and their father
This woman is scary as hell. She can put on a perfect suburban mom act and fool the cops all while being schizo level of crazy. She perfectly hid her beliefs, kept everything under wraps.
Honestly. Her interview with the police framed him so perfectly as an aggressive controlling husband. Even somehow twisted his literal job as just an ‘excuse’ to stay away from the kids?
I must disagree....I would say her family encouraged it more or less, she talk and behave like a teen while being a middle aged woman and everyone, especially her family approved if not even encouraged it (but likely the cops to a less degree). They encourage it perhaps not openly but subconsciously, they feel needed by the infantile middle aged woman in her various problems.
If the cult of Mormons were not in control of the area they would have easily seen that woman as off her rockers and insane! But all her crazy talk seemed normal to the cult cops so nothing was done. RIP Charles Vallow and the two innocent children and Chads wife Tammy.
The shit she was talking was JW dogma, not Mormon. If anything, she was a heretic. The reason she was given carte blanche was because of her extra X-chromosome, not her magical beliefs.
Agreed...I am nowhere near the Mormon Church, but ppl in power get to control the outcome way too often. DemocRATs and their stranglehold on the DOJ comes to mind...they prosecute their political enemies, while their policy destroys the country, and anyone in that cult is immune from prosecution, or any scrutiny at all...
It's amusing to me that practicing ritual pretend cannibalism and praying to a life sized emaciated statue of a bleeding guy nailed to a medieval torture instrument seems normal, but talk of zombies is just a bridge too far.😂
Notice that when she is describing the incident of her husband getting shot, she laughed, no emotions . How dis the detective miss this, they're supposed to be able to read body language etc. So sad seeing tylee being interviewed. R.I.P ANGELS
And the courts will still say there’s no bias involved between mothers and fathers. The whole system is just as guilty for all of these murders as she and that psycho cult leader is.
pathetic how the police do nothing. but if the tables were turned, and she would tell them about her husband, they would have arrested him right there.
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The Daughter was brain washed and coached. Sad now knowing they were just pawns. The mother used the kids .
Love how no one ever took this poor man seriously. Immediately accepting everything the wife said and blatantly disregarding every concern and statement the husband brought forward. Now, because of these ignorant cops, detectives, mental health institutes, and I'm sure plenty more, three innocent lives were lost and an actual lunatic was let free for long enough to take away those lives. Absolutely disgusting. I hope that this sticks with them all as they were absolutely three reason for it happening. This man did everything he could to protect the children and get his wife the help that she desperately needed. Instead they were all punished for the failure of all of these people. Beyond shameful and disgusting.
How is this a good police officer? Husband says she was/is deranged, threatened his life & kids are gone. Officer calmly asks "how is that a threat to your kids"? (4:02) BECAUSE SHE IS DERANGED & THE KIDS ARE GONE OFFICER! I don't know how the man was calm & sadly thats why he ended up dead.
I lost count of how many times I tried to get mental health to treat my brother, it took me three years to convince them he was seriously unwell, and it was only because he had what they called a psychotic break in front of them, they finally listened, he was finally diagnosed with schizophrenia and is now doing really well on medication
Watching her talk to the police so casually saying things like “blah blah blah” and saying “or whatever” and the end of her sentences so casually was infuriating! The police screwed up or maybe they were too lazy but because of their inaction these innocent people are dead.
All pigs are lazy and don’t really care about u, saw 2 cops before hittin on young girls askin fro numbers, all the lieutenant did or whatever they guy name is was move buddies to other posts, not even trying to what’s up with his actions. I already said before I ain’t no snitch so internet sleuths get after it 😂
Does anyone else think Tylee was initially in on Charles's murder? She and Lori thought they were going to be getting Charles million dollar insurance payout but when Lori found out she was no longer the beneficiary she was livid and didnt want to have the financial burden of children anymore.
Sad. The only think I think this guy should have done is get a hidden camera that would record every time he had an interaction with her. Now it's a he-said, she-said situation which is bad.
This is why you document and record EVERYTHING if something like this is happening. Had he recorded these interactions; she couldn’t have manipulated the situation.
You do understand that when the government starts dismantling religions they are not just going to stop with the ones you find objectionable. Very slippery slope.
@@shadegreen5351 yes that's true, a very slippery slope. In the case of cults there are usually a lot of things going on with the leadership that are illegal. You dismantle them with exposure and legitimate charges.
It was so sad and unacceptable that no one would listen to her husband’s concerns and take them seriously.
Yes, it's very sad. Men don't seem to be taken seriously anymore.
yeah and see how they fell for that self defense story?
@@DraxXThanos Exactly
Welcome to a man’s world.
I agree COMPLETELY! :/ it really is sad..
when that cop said "how does she pose a threat to the children" , I hope he remembers those words forever, especially since he didn't support the father's concern.
He asked it AFTER Charles already told him that she had lost her mind.
@@mimimomo4902 why put after in capitals? your statement makes what @pickleAllergy says even more valid? ??? ??????? seems like you didnt understand the comment (even tho its simple) and then wanted to correct someone? even tho your confused? just tired of shit like this
@foreverblessed3511 are you ok? The reason why I put "after" in capital is to highlight that the officer had the audacity to ask him about what threat she poses despite Charles telling him that she had lost her mind. You clearly didn't understand my comment. Next time, just ask politely
Either that cop is laughing or crying for the rest of his miserable life! These people are paid to ignore threats to human life yet you are forbidden to even defend yourself!
@@mimimomo4902pls are you Nigerian 😂. The are you ok part is to familiar
Took 3 years and like 4 deaths. For justice upon something that her husband directly told law enforcement was happening
@@waaaah5305 it’s really come to this. Women’s stories are always valued and taken into consideration more than the man’s. It’s crazy how easily women can manipulate law enforcement to take their side even when they are the shit stirrer. Through my parents divorce I learned that pretty quick
Our system of governing is ASANINE
Women get even lighter sentences in every situation…even the pedo ones.
As an ex police officer, her interview threw up red flag after red flag. Laughing and joking when your husband just got shot dead in your home. The use of “whatever” instead of actually explaining something, and no follow up by the questioner. 🚩🚩🚩
"Fucking excuse right" 😮
Why did they not even bring this up? That was sinister as fuck.
Thank you for your service 🫡
She doesn’t even seem traumatized by any of it during the interview. Red flag
Her answers, particularly her behavior, were triggering...
Enough with the "blah, blah, blahs"....can the investigator get her to explain those please!!!!!
disgusting, everyone failed this man, Rest in peace Charles.
Everyone failed this man and his children.
Peace*
He seemed like a good man who wanted his boys back. 😔 Rest in peace, Charles.
Heartbreakingly so! Men are so rarely believed, it's a shame.
Wow! The legal system completely failed the husband and kids! Ffs!
that's what happens a lot of the time when the wife goes crazy. everything is so tilted in the woman's favor, cops could stop her from trying to throw her kids I to a woodchipper, arrest her, and the next court date would be like "OK, we can move to 50/50 custody"
@@Btobebone Yep. Tragic but true.
The legal system consistently fails those it’s supposed to protect.
The funny thing is the DA only wanted to prosecute when the kids went missing not when the husband was killed! The justice system is neglecting innocent men!
US legal system has only one rule: ALWAYS BELIEVE THE MOM!
The husband clearly said that this woman was CRAZY, but the cops just ignored him pretty much 🤦
Fathers and husbands are universally disregarded and demonized!
Being crazy isn’t a crime.
But it does call for intervention and they failed that family !
@@hr-hq8ji Well look what happened
Well if you are black it is. White women being crazy can get away with anything.
That poor husband . I feel so bad he lost his life trying to save his kids. This is so sick.
“How does she pose a threat to your children” did you not just hear what he said?
90% of people don’t listen
State lock 🔒 up 😂
I literally thought the same thing!!!
Right?!
That is not enough reason, sadly has Lori demonstrated, people lie. Police can't just go off what one person says without seeing the other person. Otherwise, we'd be back to Salim times.
It didn't help that Charles stole her purse which didn't look good on him. Then somehow, she passed the mental eval (The fuck!?). Now I wanna know why they didn't investigate why he was shot on the ground, fucking crazy. And after the autopsy, why did nobody ask why it took them 45 minutes to call 911?
Poor guy he literally told EVERYONE that she'd threatened to murder him and they ignored him and she did it , just because she's a woman doesn't mean the threat is any less, those cops should be sued , the guy paid with his life for their apathy and indifference.
Her giggling during interview room. Like he wasn't just killed. No remorse.
If that isn't some Psycho Sh*t, I don't know what is.
It’s so tragic seeing her daughter vouch for her, not knowing that she was the next victim
yea
Sheep
I can see the evil in her eye
I'm also very successful poker player, I can read very well when ppl trying to take me for a ride
If she had only told the truth at police instead of covering up for her mother, that same day she signed hers and JJ's death sentence.
She saw her ex husband on the floor dead after getting shot and her first reaction was I gotta get JJ to school? like cmon this detective should’ve seen the lies from a mile away
But she's an attractive woman. She gets a free pass right?
He is a male...aint no way a woman capable of doing wrong
they just don’t make detectives like they use to.
They overrely on their “gut” instinct.
They all failed this man. Terrible.
the lack of empathy exhibited by this woman is CHILLING!
BRO!!!!!! If your wife is part of a cult, leave her immediately and save your kids, don't wait five years!!!!!!
Fuck yes! If you've gotten lured into a cult, you've lost your mind 100% of the time. This one she got caught up in sounds extra stupid, too. Baffling people will listen to some randos delusions and wholeheartedly believe in them too.
@@joshlewis575 In all honesty I studied mythology for six years, and although I'm into AI and robots nowadays, I can say with confidence that joining a cult is the stupidest thing ever, because once you go to Hell, I can guarantee it won't be worth it, that's why I'm a Christian.
It's chilling listening to Charles literally detail how he would be murdered to a cop who could care less. Wow
Unfortunately it is not the job of the police to protect citizens from harm.
@@Ausgar-yc1yl im sorry WHAT
@@Ausgar-yc1yl cop lady should be working at a coffee shop even there she would be evil
@@haminjam Police are NOT obligated protect citizens from harm, that is NOT their job, and NOT what protect and serve meant.
@@johntitorii6676 Agree!
That poor husband, firstly for marrying her and secondly for no police officer believing the real danger he informed them of. Its disgusting really.
that's how women feel constantly
@@IzzyandLuna WOW. This is about a WOMAN killing a man, and having no one believe him. Which happens often, this is not about your insecurities.
Get help@@IzzyandLuna
Those cops have Charles Vallow's blood on their hands. 100%.
Yes, they do :(
No it's the hospitals. The cops took her after the commitment papers and she was in the station. The hospital let her go in 2 hrs. And custody is with the courts but dunno if he went there at all, even to petition for emergency custody.
To everyone talking to her she seemed normal. We have hindsite. until she let her beliefs became known to those not in a close circle, she was a women going through a divorce with a man trying to make her look nuts. Esp since the daughter backed her.
Words are words they don't have authority to do anything unless followed with actions. Which is unfortunate.
@@saturninesmile9580 It's definitely the cops too
@saturninesmile9580 I'm guessing the fact she giggled all the way through the interview (after her husbands death) - I guess that went right over your head,,huh ?
@@saturninesmile9580the cops didn’t even want to entertain the possibility that she was in the wrong, watch the initial interrogation of her brother, herself, and the daughter, the story was so inconsistent and they just wrote it off as self defense
R.I.P Charles. People never believe in a MAN. These Cops never believed Charles and insulted him in his face 😢
So sad for charles he did everthing right and was still killed, he seams like he was a great guy and them children would have thrived with him. Too bad his claim werent taken more serious, this is the worse possible outcome.
The problem about society will just label a woman as a victim automatically, and the man as an aggressor/suspect, You could tell that man was distraught during his first and second questioning with the police.
Exactly!
Was there proof he actully hit her brother in the head with the bat? Any bruises?
I'm more mad that the "professionals" who deemed Lori as fine. So many "professionals" do this that I question what it takes to actually be licensed.
Facts!
I hate this happened. It breaks my heart. No one is perfect, but he seemed genuinely concerned and, well, terrified. But no one took him seriously. Not one. Sure, some of the police were probably sympathetic, but had the roles been reversed you can imagine the lengths police would’ve gone to. Here there was none of that. At most it was an attitude of, “that sucks man, good luck.”
Men are disposable these days. We’ve always been disposable, but it’s getting worse. This isn’t equality. This is shameful.
This case has always frustrated me. They always believe the “pretty blonde bubbly lady” if she’s charming enough and this cost 3 people’s lives.
It’s disgusting. People need to start listening to sincere cries for help.
The scariest part is this brother person was brainwashed as well. Chad Daybell was one hell of a predator on weak minded people.
She wanted famé and pomp he wanted à blonde but not the dead weight. They both were not brain washed just pure evil and selfish, using religion as a should for their corruption
That’s why Karens are dangerous.
@@bernieheartdragon1888- that has nothing to do with any named "Karen".. don't adulterize a decent name.
@@davidu01 it's a horrible name
@@davidu01Karen is a horrible name lmao
Charles in that video totally breaks
my heart. He knew what was going on. The authorities appeared to NOT TAKE CHARLES SERIOUSLY....
God bless Charles RIP🙏
Its so sad that he warned the police that she was going to kill him and that she was a threat to their kids too, and they didn't listen. He tried to get their help 3 times and all that was done was the mental health evaluation from lori.
If the roles were reversed and the wife was expressing her concerns to the police about the husband, this whole situation would have gone differently. The wife is clearly a complete psychopath. How can you believe someone who uses the word "Whatever" to describe everything?
Thank you. Finally.
Facts... As many times as he had to call them to enforce court orders,she should have been arrested every time she didn't comply with the order... Then they extort the man about her purse and then they'll enforce the 5150,just ridiculous... He's the only one with court evidence to back up what he says,and her having zero calls to police about him supposedly being violent .. women who have violent husbands always call the cops at least once,even if they're dumb enough to stay...
@@mikewhite3123 Yup, weird how the cops tell him he can't take her purse yet she openly bragged about locking him out of his own home and taking all of his stuff, including his car. wtf.
Literally, everybody involved in this case could still be alive, but due to negligence stupid people who work for the police and the courts three people are already dead. The brother killed himself, because he knew that he was going to jail for life and Laurie and that guy are going to go to jail for life like it’s very obvious that the shooting wasn’t in self-defense as far as the brother goes. He literally ran into a room, then ran back out and then shot Charles, that’s not self-defense
And she was giggling throughout the interview. Remember the context, her husband had just been murdered in front of her by her brother, after which she just takes the kids to school. She's so nonchalant in telling the story and casually giggling throughout the interview thati's supper creepy and abnormal behavior for that situation. She has no signs of shock, or grief, or any emotion really. It's a true textbook example of a psychopath and instead of recognizing the behavior as strange the detective was charmed by her.
Is the "doctor" going to be evaluated for his incompetence?
i didnt think about that
Of course not. They never are.
22:51 to 22:54 vibrations.
They use gaateewaay process.
*It is very dangerous, so do not try it even if you can*
They are not crazy. Evil spirit deceive them
she can act normal if she wants, the doctor saw what she wanted him to see, not the doctors fault she's a good liar
I love how this one cop coming in is more interested in unlocking the door on the other side even though it doesn't need to be open because the other door is open on the other side and you can just walk through it it surely displays stupidity in lack of empathy. These are like some of the worst cops I've ever seen.
He was probably trying to make more room for ambo stretcher. But they handled this case like assclowns.
I'm a body language expert, and scenes in interrogations OMG how much lying is going on. 13:42 she has gotten physical with kids. It's traumatizing to see so much lying.
Those detectives were gullible. The woman kept laughing as she described how her husband was killed. He grabbed a bat from his stepdaughter to stop her from hitting him, and then he’s grabbed from behind from an uncle who is fighting him. Then uncle gets a gun from upstairs, comes downstairs and kills him and it’s selfdefense.
Yeah and the uncle even told a different story. He said he walked in and saw Charles with the bat and didn’t do anything and went to go get his gun... Yet the girls said he came in and put him in a chokehold
I dont know but I felt something off about all this. Like weird and illogical ,the women also belonged to a cult didnt she? It was like everything had some type of interference. I mean what if all the cops and the people in that town were actually cult members? The husband used to go for long business trips so he didnot got affected.
@@Techuser704this isn't a creepypasta, homie
@@jurj97 idk this stuff happens in irl
creepypasta are inspired from real life afterall
The doctor who passed her on a mental evaluation should be held accountable too.
I can’t believe this is true! Crazy lady!
No one listened to the poor husband and now he and his children are dead!
She was crazy that she was listening to demons. Her husband said she was constantly talking to an angel. There are fallen angels. If the spirit you’re talking to is telling you to murder, lie, or that Jesus isn’t God or self harm is how you get to God your the one listening to demons and it’s literally the anti-Christ spirit that’s got you, but the person doesn’t need to die to have a demon cast out of them. But people absolutely can be demonized. The fruit of lies and murder show she was demonized and lacked faith that Jesus (Mark 16) would be enough.
I can't feel sorry for Tylee because you can tell she was initially in on Charles murder. But I do for JJ
Yes I see your point but she was only young and probably believed all the lies her mother had filled her head with. She managed to convince the police and a psychiatrist she was absolutely fine, no mention of her thinking she was a goddess and all the other crazy stuff!
She didn’t deserve to be killed by her own mother. The whole story is just crazy!
@@jamielehman4934are you really victim blaming?? 😢
My goodness what terrible replies . Lori and Chad are responsible for the deaths of two innocent children, her husband, Chad's wife, and her brother Alex Cox turned up dead as well when they didn't need him anymore. Saying you don't feel sorry for a murdered girl? What a worthless comment. Nobody needs your nonexistent sympathy. You should feel sorry for your empty self.
God the poor man is so stressed you can see it in his eyes poor man
The complete ineptitude of the police here is frankly staggering!
14 year marriage and this woman is smiling and acting giddy after dude is killed. Zero remorse, zero empathy for the kids. Psycho.
And cops don't see she lying
If you know, you know.
THE DOCTOR LET HER OUT AFTER AN EVALUATION, wtf kinda evaluation was that
Suburban mom eval. In my experience they are usually the most vile
Evaluation from hell!! Everyone failed Charles and the children. Because of shits and giggles.
@SoHappy1215 No they’re not. The dark ones are usually the worst ones.
She was surely interviewed by a doctor, and if she didn't show signs of acute psychosis requiring immediate hospitalisation, then the only option would be to release her. Maybe they did find something but only wanted to follow up and treat, because she managed to hid the acute and extreme severity of it. Look at that first interview with the police when she has her daughter with her. She seems pretty normal there, doesn't she? If she was like that with the doctor, then that would be the answer why she wasn't forcibly hospitalised.
The thing is, we expect doctors to be able to understand someone who is a psychopath but the issue is, psychopaths are smart and manipulative. They can adjust in any situation and make it seem like they are the best and most innocent people.
Pissed beyond belief watching this, so sad man
I would love to hear interviews with the doctor(s) who evaluated Lori and released her in 2 hours. Just would love to know what their observations were. Sadly, when people are truly psychopathic, its not that hard to lie your way through evaluations.
Shame on the detectives. They are a disgrace to America
Imagine how many murderers have gotten away
Disgrace to the human race.
@@KrisPBacon-ts6vpMany. Imagine how many there were before the technology to catch them.
Those AZ Cops have Charles and the kids blood on their hands! If they had believed him or tried to help him, maybe those kids and Tammy and Charles would still be alive. Men need domestic protection too. In fact Charles family should sue the department. Absolutely.
And the doctor who released her in two hours
Chandler and Mesa PD are notorious for being some of the shittiest departments in Arizona
they have a small part in it not preventing it, yes. But in reality, that female and her psychopathic friends are responsible.
Right the woman cop came to him aggressively
I don’t think the cops are the problem. Lori and her convincing lies were the problem. My heart goes out to Charles, those beautiful kids and much later, to Tammy.
I fell so sorry for the dad because as a father they make it seem like where always wrong.
My ex lost my son I was fighting for my freedom. For something I didn’t do. And she locked my son in car to sell her body for drugs. So bro I’m pray all I can really do
Whats creepy is how emotionless lori is and daughter.
Cops treated him like he was crazy I blame law enforcement for his death and the children they were given multiple chances to intervene and did NOTHING. Just because you’re Incapable of understanding doesn’t mean it’s not to be taken seriously. Gilbert Police department should be held accountable 👍.
End qualified immunity this has been happening for years nothing ever changes thats the only chance for change.
@@braxtonvestal777 haven’t heard about that will definitely look into it!
Charles with his two kids would be alive today if the police would of taken his words seriously. A normal person would of looked into it.
This is one of the most hideous examples of blasphemy I've seen.
Literally if one person listen to the husband three people including two children would still be alive, almost like the court system treats husbands/fathers as second rate citizens
She is literwlly making up the entire story in the interrogation room,and these cops just go "ok" lol
None of the stories of those 3 lined up. And why was her brother not charged with murder?
And the lady that comes in later tells them what the husband said and now it makes sense
Men are abused and everyone turns a blind eye. This is heart wrenching, I can’t even finish it. I hope the sweet ladies in prison show her how evil she is.
Trust me ik they believe anything they say. Had to move out
Wow I never had the backstory before. Im astounded she got away with ending her whole entire family!!!!! Poor babies. They never saw it coming
That teddy bear is stone cold. It doesn't even twitch a muscle during the whole interrigation.
who is the doctor that "evaluated" Lori Vallow???
they need to find another line of work.
She probably gave perfectly reasonable answers. She knew what she was doing
@@babigirl9111 indeed, sociopaths are good at manipulating people who don't know them
@@babigirl9111facts, crazy doesn’t mean stupid
I kept thinking "oh the cult leader is gonna try to marry her" and YEP WHAT DO YOU KNOW
Yeah, he got rid of her husband and then the children, so he could have her just for himself.
@@howtocookazombie classic
@@howtocookazombie they left out that he took out his own wife at the time too.
this fake preachers don't ever bring them to your family.
@@judesunday146that was your legit average preacher.
She’s giggling while telling that her husband was on the ground
This has to be the sloppiest police work omg 😳 Hit in the head with a bat?? Where’s the bruise??! This is crazy lol
There's a bunch of weirdos out there. Be safe y'all.
Yep and never ignore the red flags.
“Weirdo” is a heavy understatement
Especially those democrats.
especially when you add religion into the mix
Especially in America with your religious freaks
Half of this country is crazy
Hell more than that
Approximately 87%.
No! It is the half world that is crazy. I live in Scandinavia and it is the same here. The problem in modern society is that we give everybody a high education without measuring their IQ first, so we end up with people that have learned more than their IQ can deal with. Begining making cults, sekts, criminality, corruption, terrorism and all sort of shit, because they are wise but no IQ to fattom the consecvence of their actions.
Have a positive and lucky future, I think we all will need it.
@@jesperkleemann1333 nothing lasts forever
Fox News and Trump have plenty of followers, I agree with you! Our country is crazy. I was a Republican for 25 years until this man took office. I wonder if this woman is an illegitimate offspring of Trump. Delusional.
Rip to the dad and his little ones, may they be together in heaven forever ❤
Men, this is why you have to pick your partner carefully. Marriage is just a government document making it harder to split. At least 75% of marraiges have failed one partner or the other.
The Psychologist does a LOUSY job interrogating the wife, LORI, by using leading questions all the while saying "I dont want to put words into your mouth." Etc. She is coaching or prompting her testimony, leading her instead of letting the client speak for herself. BAD JOB in discovery leading to the subsequent husband's needless murder.
What a joke of a system we have 🤦♂️
Towards men only.
Men , ALWAYS refer to the crazy/hot matrix when considering a partner.
It’s really scary how normal she could seem in that police interview.
All 3 of their stories are different, why are the police believing this crap
Female domestic violence privilege
@@noneyabidness196 fair point
I'm surprised how calm the daughter was during the interrogations.
and she had no marks on her none of them did plus they could of easily checked the phones for the so called " threats "
Have you not been living in America since 2017-ish?
this is heartbreaking.. rest in peace, Charles...
It's very chilling during the interrogation of her how she laughed at four times during the just the small snippets that were shown
Bro she’s literally laughing while being telling the story of someone dying…
we tend to think of ppl who get into cults as victims but it seems like they also can be narcissists who believe they are better than everyone else, my heart and soul to the kids and their father
This felt like a Netflix documentary!! Beautifully done
She watched too much " mother god"... Whoa
😆
More like an American soap.
*Horrifying Secret season 2* only on Netflix. Stay tuned 🤣
I was about to say how much I love the intro. Amazing!
We failed Charles and those beautiful babies. Failed. Just absolutely failed.
She seems so happy and bubbly during the interview, even if she hated him, she just saw a dead body and isn’t traumatized at all?
i thought it simply being her husband is traumatizing.
The fact the woman showed no emotion what so ever was very telling.
This woman is scary as hell. She can put on a perfect suburban mom act and fool the cops all while being schizo level of crazy. She perfectly hid her beliefs, kept everything under wraps.
Vallow, richins, franke...see a pattern?
Honestly. Her interview with the police framed him so perfectly as an aggressive controlling husband. Even somehow twisted his literal job as just an ‘excuse’ to stay away from the kids?
@gregshell8570
The blonde hair suburbanite moms they’re all insane you can see it in their eyes
I must disagree....I would say her family encouraged it more or less, she talk and behave like a teen while being a middle aged woman and everyone, especially her family approved if not even encouraged it (but likely the cops to a less degree). They encourage it perhaps not openly but subconsciously, they feel needed by the infantile middle aged woman in her various problems.
it always goes into the women’s way when it comes down to the father & his kids. those officers & law enforcement will remember that.
That first officer seriously has no COMMON SENSE!
Those cops put a lot of words in their mouths.
I noticed that as well. Even an "or don't you remember?" which is A HUGE no no.
The cops due that to mentally disabled too
@@Johnsmith-rj5gt That’s just wrong.
@@bluefishjoe not in “making a murderer” if you got a 65 IQ you’re easy to manipulate
This is absolutely terrible. The police were no help until served multiple dishes of cold dead evidence...
Thank you Mr. Hunter, i have never forgotten your teachings, by now you are already home. at 70 i won't be long.
Coo Coo for Coco puffs is a Major Understatement here 🤯
Justice for Charles he seem like a good guy
No if he walked into a store you would yhink he is a bad guy
@@johntitorii6676 no I wouldn’t
@@johntitorii6676why?
@@johntitorii6676 you are weird
If the cult of Mormons were not in control of the area they would have easily seen that woman as off her rockers and insane! But all her crazy talk seemed normal to the cult cops so nothing was done. RIP Charles Vallow and the two innocent children and Chads wife Tammy.
100% correct.
The shit she was talking was JW dogma, not Mormon. If anything, she was a heretic.
The reason she was given carte blanche was because of her extra X-chromosome, not her magical beliefs.
Agreed...I am nowhere near the Mormon Church, but ppl in power get to control the outcome way too often. DemocRATs and their stranglehold on the DOJ comes to mind...they prosecute their political enemies, while their policy destroys the country, and anyone in that cult is immune from prosecution, or any scrutiny at all...
Spot on--masonic cops all over the anglo saxon world!
It's amusing to me that practicing ritual pretend cannibalism and praying to a life sized emaciated statue of a bleeding guy nailed to a medieval torture instrument seems normal, but talk of zombies is just a bridge too far.😂
Notice that when she is describing the incident of her husband getting shot, she laughed, no emotions . How dis the detective miss this, they're supposed to be able to read body language etc. So sad seeing tylee being interviewed. R.I.P ANGELS
Take a shot everytime she says “whatever”
Why is she smiling and laughing!. No specifics on the alleged husbands behaviour over the years…just “whatever..” so takes kids to school. What?
So she can tell the cops she took his stuff and they do nothing but she claims he took her purse and they white knight for her
Yep.
Female privilege
And the courts will still say there’s no bias involved between mothers and fathers. The whole system is just as guilty for all of these murders as she and that psycho cult leader is.
It's so damn sad watching the father pleading to the police for help, trying to explain in vain that he and his children's lives are in danger.
pathetic how the police do nothing. but if the tables were turned, and she would tell them about her husband, they would have arrested him right there.
The Daughter was brain washed and coached. Sad now knowing they were just pawns. The mother used the kids .
Love how no one ever took this poor man seriously. Immediately accepting everything the wife said and blatantly disregarding every concern and statement the husband brought forward. Now, because of these ignorant cops, detectives, mental health institutes, and I'm sure plenty more, three innocent lives were lost and an actual lunatic was let free for long enough to take away those lives. Absolutely disgusting. I hope that this sticks with them all as they were absolutely three reason for it happening. This man did everything he could to protect the children and get his wife the help that she desperately needed. Instead they were all punished for the failure of all of these people. Beyond shameful and disgusting.
How is this a good police officer?
Husband says she was/is deranged, threatened his life & kids are gone.
Officer calmly asks "how is that a threat to your kids"? (4:02)
BECAUSE SHE IS DERANGED & THE KIDS ARE GONE OFFICER!
I don't know how the man was calm & sadly thats why he ended up dead.
imagine coming back from a buissness trip to find you have no car and lost $35000 missing from your bank account
I hate how easy the cops believe the woman. They all claim abuse, even when none happened.
she looks so happy during her interrogation ....she knows hes dead and she most likely believes she is gonna be found innocent
I lost count of how many times I tried to get mental health to treat my brother, it took me three years to convince them he was seriously unwell, and it was only because he had what they called a psychotic break in front of them, they finally listened, he was finally diagnosed with schizophrenia and is now doing really well on medication
That broad was playing zombies IRL. 💀
Watching her talk to the police so casually saying things like “blah blah blah” and saying “or whatever” and the end of her sentences so casually was infuriating! The police screwed up or maybe they were too lazy but because of their inaction these innocent people are dead.
These cops are lazy amateurs. They have no idea what they are doing.
All pigs are lazy and don’t really care about u, saw 2 cops before hittin on young girls askin fro numbers, all the lieutenant did or whatever they guy name is was move buddies to other posts, not even trying to what’s up with his actions. I already said before I ain’t no snitch so internet sleuths get after it 😂
Does anyone else think Tylee was initially in on Charles's murder? She and Lori thought they were going to be getting Charles million dollar insurance payout but when Lori found out she was no longer the beneficiary she was livid and didnt want to have the financial burden of children anymore.
Who was the beneficiary?
Charles changed it to his sister when he knew Lori was out to kill him@@Sandra-dm8rd
Charles changed it to his sister when he knew Lori was out to kill him@@Sandra-dm8rd
She just likes to hear herself talk garbage!
Sad. The only think I think this guy should have done is get a hidden camera that would record every time he had an interaction with her. Now it's a he-said, she-said situation which is bad.
The cops have responsibility in these deaths too
This is why you document and record EVERYTHING if something like this is happening. Had he recorded these interactions; she couldn’t have manipulated the situation.
As a Christian I am so put off by these cults. There really needs to be something done to dismantle these organizations before people get hurt
You do understand that when the government starts dismantling religions they are not just going to stop with the ones you find objectionable. Very slippery slope.
@@shadegreen5351 yes that's true, a very slippery slope. In the case of cults there are usually a lot of things going on with the leadership that are illegal. You dismantle them with exposure and legitimate charges.
Pro-tip: you’re in a cult too.
@@mightyprotong anything can be a cult if it gets out of hand. Progressivism is definitely a religious cult these days