Pilot Suicide - DISASTER BREAKDOWN (SilkAir Flight 185 & EgyptAir Flight 990)
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- We take a closer look at two aviation incidents that were determined to be Suicide by Pilot. Although officially "disputed" SilkAir Flight 185 and EgyptAir Flight 990 are said to be cases of this scenario.
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If they wanted to die, die alone ..Why kill so many innocent people..??
Because its not a suicide, false information..
@@banggoman7371 Some people want to take other people with them, to make them legendary etc. Look at mass shooters and terrorists.
We are living in a perfect world and 1 out of 300 get a chance to pick how, when and where they die plus added bonus of taking others with you.
@@ihanakaunotar2741 and it seems to work quite well.. many years later people watch documentaries about it and write comments...
@@banggoman7371 I guess you just blindly looked over all the evidence in the video... evidence and information that is widely available..
It would be suicide if they stole an empty plane but it's mass murder in these cases IMO
You believe so?
@@banggoman7371 obviously
@whogot urbelly By that logic someone could say the same thing about you dying in a freak accident? How would you know the driving skills of the deceased?
Its still suicide dummy
Yeah like Richard Russell aka the sky king a few years ago.
Just because the pilot going through some shit doesn’t mean I want to join him.
@Yashua Fradkin ??? Do some research. Schizophrenia would very rarely cause someone to do something like this. Don't spout shit out just to feel heard.
Celebrities be like where in this together
It was a surprise
Is*
Absolutely insane, as someone who is suicidal I would never do something like this. I can’t even die alone because of the pain that it would cause my family much less die with multiple innocent people and their families to think about.
Can you imagine being the captain on that egypt air flight and realising the officer is deliberately crashing the plane. That must have been terrifying..
Most definitely... like as a normal rider it would be rightfully terrifying as well, but knowing that could be you at the helm instead, preventing the problem....man that would be horrifying.
@@AhmedMohamed-hc1lh lol
@@AhmedMohamed-hc1lh Go sit down somewhere.
@@KristenDETW sure buddy I'm not gonna be standing up my whole life, don't think that this would be smart. Good for you for figuring this out buddy ❤️
@@Viking88Power XD
The Egyptair captain making it back to the cockpit was probably a case of hysterical strength.
Sheer adrenaline. Like, people have been able to run on broken legs before because of it so I imagine it was a case of him realising what was happening and knowing if he didn't do something then it was going to end in disaster. It still unfortunately did but he was a brave man and I respect that he tried.
@@naomiskilling1093 Yup. The human body is _significantly_ stronger than you might expect, most of us could lift cars if we absolutely _needed to._ The sheer power in a human's limbs is most obvious when dealing with electrocutions, as the shock causes the muscles to contract at full power and hurl the body through the air.
The thing is, our brains subconsciously keep us from using that power because straining muscles damages them. That's actually the entire process of exercise: Slightly damaging your muscles so they grow back stronger, and that's why you should take a day or so off between strenuous workouts, to give your torn muscles time to heal.
But in life-or-death situations, the brain can turn those subconscious limits off, allowing the body to briefly work at maximum power, and that's where you get stories of people lifting cars off their children.
@@ToaArcan Pretty much. Adrenaline responses are basically the part of our evolution that derived from need to be able to go 100%, despite damage that might cause, just to keep the body alive.
Let's say first he thinks that sth is wrong with the plane. Then he looks at the pilot thinking: "He tries to pull the plane up. I must help him" Had he realised that his colleague pushed ... maybe he could have whacked him in the head. But nope. The countermeasures were meek: "Oh the engines are off? How about me turning them back on, would that be ok with you?"
@@plywoodcarjohnson5412 By the time he got to the cockpit if you saw the video you would know is that there was nothing he could do because even if he did manage to get the airplane to pull up which is impossible but let's say he knocks the other pilot out and manages to do the impossible. The plane at this point lost more than an engine and is ripping apart now tell me how do you get this plane that's rapidly falling due to multiple engine failure on land when your a thousand miles away from the nearest coast ?
It's mass murder and that's what the individual should be labelled and remembered for. Once you decide to take innocent lives with you, it is no longer suicide. Even when I am at my worst and feel I can't win and want out the idea of harming another is not even considered.
He’s in a special place in Hell. Such a sad event... I would assume there are better ways to off yourself like opiate overdose where you just float on to the nether. But this coward took the lives of so many others... the devil is most definitely real
I agree but some people are arseholes to start with and it's no surprise that if they become suicidal they sometimes want to take others with them. I suspect there's a subset of suicides that are down not so much to a recognised mental illness as a massively inflated sense of self importance. You know the sort of thing... People who think the world revolves around them and when they don't get enough adulation they throw as big a temper tantrum as they can to 'teach the world a lesson'. If that means killing hundreds of innocent people then that's the world's fault not theirs.
I've been suicidal and made a couple of attempts but I never considered hurting others. It's not in my nature when I'm sane and it's not in my nature when I'm bonkers either.
It’s called pilot suicide- usually the pilot is flying a plane with ppl so the murder part should be obvious. That’s the official name for these crashes, ppl die bc of the pilot suicide.
@@Angel-ts8rcThe fact that this happens enough that they have a designation for it is FUCKING. TERRIFYING.
@@ZeraSeraphim there's designations for so many types of incidents
The second one made me cry. Just the fact that the killer told the first pilot to rest and the pilot had tried really hard to make sure he could fly that plane to get back for his wedding.
The Egyptian pilot didn’t commit suicide btw, the plane was shot by a missile base in the Atlantic, he shot down the engines so he can escape the heat seeking missiles
@@AhmedMohamed-hc1lh The NTSB says it's suicide, the ECAA says it's a mechanical failure of the aircraft's elevator control system, and now you say it was shot down by a missile, alongside many other known sources. I don't know who the fuck are we going to trust...
@@Akram109BlogspotTH-camChannel the pilot was from the Egyptian Air Force, when they gathered data about the plane behavior, they discovered that the plane shot down it’a engine which causes the flight to nosedive rapidly and then the engine restarted and went up, and that was a famous maneuver done in the Air Force done to escape heat sealing missiles , the NSTB said it was a suicide only because the pilot said “ tawaklt ala allah “ which means “with gods’ help “ which all Arabs says before doing anything so it’s not a proof of suicide
@@AhmedMohamed-hc1lh does friction from the air outside on the planes body not also create heat? dont think shutting the engines off would be much help
@@billzi7001 I'm no expert about that sorry 😅, I'm just saying what Egypt's investigation concluded, the problem is that the NSTB said it was suicide because the pilot said " tawakalt aala allah " which I can't fully translate it to English but it's something like saying everything with gods' will ( sorry for my bad English ) so this phrase doesn't actually proves that this was suicide, here In Arabs countries we say it like before doing everything, before crossing the rod before going to work so the NSTB investigation was bullshit if you ask me.
Richard Russell's case was pilot suicide. The cases in this video are murder-suicides and I think it is important to retain separation between these two scenarios. Excellent video nevertheless.
Important point, good looking!!!🙏✈😪
Either way tragedies just murdering really makes it so much worse... sad 🐼 🐼
Fly high skyking 🙏🥲
@@natty4316 can we stop glorifying and celebrating a mentally ill criminal who racked up millions of dollars of damages and resources used to clear all the debris.
Not to mention all the people he could have killed.
This menace shouldn’t be celebrated as a sky king, but remembered as a mentally ill criminal.
@@user-hr1uj8fi3n That's exactly what I've been saying! People shouldn't be celebrating the "skyking" for his criminal stunt!
You should title it, Suicide and Homicide by Pilot - it gets lost in the horror of the crash and it's easy to miss that the pilots who do this are stone cold murderers.
Murder suicide is what it is, hell I would call the individual a suicide terrorist TBH. They did cause extreme terror and maybe if we labeled such individuals with that term publicly as the cause of crash for all to see then maybe people would think twice before doing such a cowardly act.
But you're directing this at the wrong person, he's not defending the pilots who did this.
Don't be so sure of the narrative their selling....
MH370 was also pilot-suicide
@@arohk1579 Yeah no it's only terrorism if the explicit goal of the act is to spread terror.
Ahmed El Habashi you fucking legend!!! Although you were ultimately unsuccessful your bravery, professionalism & determination to try & save your passengers & plane will not be forgotten!!!
Amen🙏🙏🙏🙏
Fuk yea !!
No, he was a coward who took his life because he was too scared to lose his job.
@@moreedcola6837that wasn't the same person you think he's talking about, you're confused
@@moreedcola6837Close, but no cigar!
I want to compliment you guys for putting up the numbers for suicide help. Suicide hit my family a number of years ago and it nearly destroyed us, if not for the help of organizations like those that helped us. Please please please if you have suicidal thoughts call one of those numbers, no one will judge you they will help you. There’s always hope. Thanks from the bottom of my heart.
Hello, creator of the video here. Thought I would reply on my personal account.
I found your comment very touching, I'm sorry to hear about your family's struggle with suicide. Wherever possible I want to send people who are struggling in the right direction because as you say, there's people out there who want to help you and they will! I made sure to include some numbers in this video because of a very recent incident involving one of my best friends' Boyfriend who is struggling with PTSD. It is so important that those struggling know that our fellow humans are there for them and we are ready to help.
@@ChloeHowie thanks again and the suicide in our family was my gay cousin, who felt like no one loved him because he was gay, but I loved him very much, thats why I have become a champion of suicide prevention and thanks again for those numbers that touched my heart to see that there's others who care, and as always great job on the videos, thanks again Lee Tyler from Maryland
@@harveytyler4869 Sorry to hear about your cousin. I too am a member of the LGBTQ+ Community (I am a non-binary person) The world can be far too cruel but I am hopeful for the future. And thanks.
@Miss Understanding thank you it was a bad time but I have peace hes with God now safe and happy
Amen yess ther is always hope because God is real and he loves everyone 🙏
You omitted some of the most important evidence from the EgyptAir flight: The cockpit voice recorder. Once he was alone, Al Batouti can be heard muttering "In God I trust" before the autopilot is switched off and forward pressure is put on the First Offficers yoke. He can then be heard repeatedly saying "In God I trust" as the plane dove and no effort to pull out of it was made. The Captain is then heard entering the cockpit and shouting "What are you doing?" while pulling back on his yoke. This alone proves it was suicide by Al Batouti.
Al Batouti was a murderous coward, the pilot although he failed was a hero for trying to save his passengers and aircraft.
Yikes that’s the kind of thing a terrorist says before committing mass murder 😬
@Jukka Pekka you didn’t have to bring your ignorance and islamophobia into this literally very embarrassing go get yourself a life
Yup
I'm sure his god was thrilled to welcome a sexual predator into paradise...
He pulled breakers before and they didn't stop him flying? WHAT THE HELL
Exactly
He should have been fired immediately and banned from any such important job for life.
There are 2 types of suicidal person, first is a coward, who cant do it alone by him/her self and the other is brave and has the courage to end his/her life alone
@@jerryasistin7614 you’re giving the wrong idea. Nether suicide is brave. It’s because you gave up in life.
But people shouldn’t give up and we need to be there for people.
@@SimplyCheryl Exactly
You put in thousands of hours to become an airliner pilot then do some stupid shit as this, not only that you also drag some 200 innocent people with you. Clearly the psychological screening failed.
There's no psychological screening in Egypt
Pilots take a test every few months or so called a medical. If a pilot is dealing with depression, they have to hide it else they essentially lose their job because they are seen as "unfit to fly." They have to keep it hidden so that their hundreds, if not thousands of hours of flight time don't just get flung away. The you-burn-with-us acts by certain pilots may be both an act to have their names etched in history and in protest of the way the system works for pilots. Aviation officials need to either find the pilots medical help when they fail medical instead of having them lose their job so that pilots are encouraged to reveal any mental conditions they have, or find a way to fail-safe finding out mental conditions.
@@sykerfimp3986 cowards. A pilot is held to a higher standard like a police officer is. A police officer starts mass shooting and you call it protest. Pathetic and hilarious.
@@GamblinDan you have no ideo what you're talking about quit smoking crack
@@sliver7993 QQ
It’s sad to me and scary because someone who is just suicidal doesn’t decide to take anyone down with them. They often don’t even want their family’s to find their bodies bc they want to cause as little damage to others as possible.
Which means someone who takes 100s of people with them, that’s not about suicide, that’s about homicide. They wanted to commit mass murder and not get in trouble for it.
Maybe, or maybe it's just access. Like, you want guaranteed success and you have a airplane. Of the options available to most people, few are as instantaneous and guaranteed.
They’re certainly mass murderers, but you’re applying the wrong Brush if you actually want to understand these people.
They didn't want to kill those people, they just didn't care
My Uncle were in that SilkAir,
i remember we were waiting for him to arrive on SGP, (i cant remember that moment i was still a kid)
Then i remembered there was headline showing the accident with the same brand & flight no.
we xchecked this and that... and sadly that was his plane.
That moment changed our holiday 180* to this very sad situation.
R.i.p my uncle
I’m so sorry. RIP Uncle ❤️🌹🙏
So sorry
May he rest in peace.
Sorry for your loss
Sorry
"He flipped the plane over and put it in a vertical position"
Damn. He wanted OUT
He wasn't having it
He didn't suicide he was shot and it doesn't mean that he said i relied on god he is suicidal but all egyptian say i rely on god even when crossing the road
@@saadwael7697 No he wasn’t shot LMAO it was very obviously pilot suicide as proven by the flight data recorder
Didn't expect to see you here.😅
The "rule of two" in the cockpit can't be understated and basic training to the 2nd person to prevent an accident.
Greed says that any given airline would rather have one pilot to save having to pay anyone else.
Rule of two kept the Sith going for over a thousand years
and now, airlines are looking to remove that very rule. so many will be vulnerable if it goes through
@@abelq8008they don't even need to pay anyone else, the rule of 2 people in the cockpit just means that a flight attendant has to go into the cockpit if one of the pilots leaves to go to the toilet
I was told after the German Wings incident that BA had to have 2 people on the flight deck, minimum.
If there were only 2 pilots neither could leave until the purser or a senior member of the cabin staff came in.
Oh jeeze, SilkAIr Flight 185. My father was going to be on that flight but he ended up getting on a different flight. My mother says it was a coin toss for him whether to get on that flight or a later flight and it saved his life; we lived in Singapore at the time.
Him not getting on that plane led to the birth of my youngest sister in September of 1998.
Jesus saved him from death! Praise Jesus
Wow
Your dad was very lucky
Thank god your father made the right decision
Jesus didn't save the others from death tho
I’ve never heard a narrator sound like they’re from northern England and America at the same time
He sounds German to me.
Sounds Swedish
I thought he was Turkish for sure.
I thought he was Faroese, definitely.
It says on his about page he’s from England on his personal channel
I know what it feels like to be suicidal. However, the thought of taking a single innocent person with me is so abhorrent. Zero respect for them all.
Same.
Agreed
How come?
It's the LACK of sound on the voice recording that makes them believe the SilkAir captain manually tripped the breaker, as the sound of the breaker is distinct when actually tripped and can still be heard on recordings. Manually tripping the breaker leaves no noise, so that is why the idea of the voice recorder being manually manipulated has credance
My uncle was the co-pilot of MS990. I will never forget when he let me fly with him in the cockpit 7 month before the crash
lucky kid! my dad got me in cockpit of C5-A, then sat with boom op of Tanker hookup of same plane, laying next to op on sheet of 1" glass
looking down over rock of Gibralter! Dad handed me camera said"you might want this" LOL hope you didn't touch any buttons? ever seen
episode "kid in cockpit" Sad... wer both were lucky and blessed thanks for reminder of great memory!
So sorry for your loss, expecially at the hands of a coward :(
I'm so sorry.
I’m so sorry for your loss. Flying in the cockpit must have been an amazing experience
I am so sorry for your loss.
From video aside,
I respect that this guy put a hotline for suicide prevention hotline.
Dude i didn't even know that indonesia has one.
It sounds pretty heartless to say this especially since suicidality is such a terrible mental condition and I feel for anyone going through it but this is pretty much the worst case scenario of how to deal with it. The selfishness is pretty hard to forgive.
No, that’s just common sense. I’ve been very suicidal before and in every instance I thought about killing myself j could never even _think_ about dragging others down with me. It felt like a decision only I could make, and making it for others felt wrong. Crashing a plane to kill themselves was selfishness, plain and simple.
I can’t even imagine the horror those passengers had to endure. I’m so sorry and sad for all the victims. RIP 😥🌹❤️
And the other pilots and crew members :(
The Egyptian NTSB’s official reason for not accepting the final report of the Egypt Air crash was, “Egyptians don’t commit suicide”.
Can you believe it?
Similarly, GDR police was not allowed to properly consider serial killers, because GDR citizens were "too happy and well behaved" to possibly become such killers ;) Aloha socialist propaganda.
@@juliusapriadi
I can believe any unbelievable scenario, especially when it comes from a state-controlled media source.
My mom used to work on Continental to China, and they had to confiscate all magazines and newspapers the crew would supply to the passengers, because foreign media wasn’t allowed. (At least that was Continental’s/United’s rule to retrieve all loaned media items)
That was around the 2008 Olympics, so I don’t know if it’s gotten better or worse.
I assume it’s gotten worse, though, but I could be wrong.
My mom was diagnosed with lung cancer (never a smoker) and she attributed it to the known fact that the air in China is some of the worst of any “developed” country. (Especially where the terra-cotta soldiers are located. Lots of coal ash hanging in the air. It’s the equivalent of smoking a pack of cigarettes for every 2 hours of outdoor exposure)
Seems like every pilot suicide is denied by the operator, because of well, pride and honor. Shameful.
The amount of bobbing weaving and dancing by The Egyptian Government, the Airline and a great number of the Citizens regarding Egyptair 990 was utterly disgusting, disgraceful and a national shame.
Not just the operator, but some of their investigation leads also. I think it's easy to conclude they must be on some kind of bankroll or bribery from these airlines to preserve their reputation and businesses. Pathetic display of spinelessness.
@@krognak If you had a family member who died because a pilot committed suicide, and the airline admits that's what happened, the airline just opened themselves up to a class action lawsuit for allowing a suicidal pilot to fly.
@Mr. Brownstone Unfortunately it's money over human lives!Sad but true!
Research the silkair episode, it was mechanical error
Suicide I get. Taking dozens or hundreds of innocent people with you I can't understand.
yeah or even just one other person
He died as a coward and a murderer, may he never find peace
The sad thing about Germanwings Flight 9525 was that the F.O got the inspiration for his plan from Africa...
Several months before that incident, in November 2013, a LAM Mozambique Airlines (Flight 470) Embraer 190 crashed in Namibia while on a flight from Maputo to Angola. Investigations revealed that the captain (suffering from severe depression at the time) locked his First Officer out of the cockpit and programmed the autopilot to make the E-Jet descend to 100 feet, effectively flying it into the ground.
I only recently heard about the Mozambique disaster because it was in Africa it received zero media exposure
the video: this is his last flight before getting married- he even switched duties with another first officer so he could make it home in time for his wedding
me, knowing the subject of this video: oh no oh no
Just more proof that marriage is a huge mistake.
@@TheBenjammin ben, the man would've died if he'd never gone on a date in his life either, who hurt you
@@TheBenjammin found the incel
"since 2015 there has been no incident of Pilot Suicide involving an airliner" Well there is that rather nagging question regarding MH 370. I'm not certain, but I don't think a Black Hole was involved.
Didn’t that happen in 2014?
It did.
Agreed!!
MH370 is unknown IMO, until they find and prove what happened it's all speculation of what happened. For all everyone knows hypoxia may have played a roll.
@@arohk1579 It was pilot suicide? How do you think people succumbed to hypoxia? By the pilot depressurising the cabin and flying the plane via a series of calculated manoeuvres to avoid Malaysian ATC , doing a fly-by of Penang (his home island) and crashing the plane into the southern Indian ocean, as planned on his flight simulator on his computer at his house.
I feel really lucky to have found ur channel, thank you so much for your insight
Taking just yourself in the plane would be self termination; taking a plane FULL of people is mass murder.
Video was educational and tragic. Well done
Really appreciated the warning at the start of the video and that you’ve made the relevant phone numbers available.
That’s some responsible behaviour that I respect!
Chloe always one for the people 🎉🎉🎉
Those numbers literally don't stop suicide. People who are deeply suffering won't be cured by talking to a stranger that doesn't even know what they are actually going through. I'm so sick of people throwing out numbers and saying "you matter" when you don't even know me.
Honestly these pilots are despicable if you can’t handle it anymore don’t drag anyone down with you. Either get help or do it to yourself.
Just ran across your channel because I've started listening to some air disaster podcasts. Keep up the great work, this is such a fantastic way to digest complicated information (when its the more technical crashes)
I appreciate the effort and care you put into these
And get a load of this, six months before the SilkAir crash, the captain made a fast and swerving landing. In fact, he flew in so fast and violently that he literally caused the majority of the passengers to get motion sick.
Great job man! I've binge watched all your videos and there awesome! Keep up the good work!
My only regret is that these pilots managed to take people with them, their actions were monstrous, there is no forgiving them
My grandma and her sisters were supposed to go on the silkair flight but they got split up so they switched seats with other people from a flight that was in the afternoon
Thankyou for putting the help line numbers for different countries in this video.
Thank you for including helpline info at start of such a sensitive episode, it's really appreciated 🙏
Greatly appreciate you putting the hotline numbers for help. It is very much appreciated. Thanks.
USAir 427. Ill never forget that day. Happened 20 mins from me. I was a young child. As I hit my late 20s I read something on that crash and have been fascinated with aviation ever since. I think the fact that most of the passengers were from my area is what hit home. Know people that had friends on that flight hits me. I wish you could do a video on it.
There's a special place in Hell for pilots that do this.
Exactly, honestly I don’t understand why people do this. Why can’t they take airplane that is empty and crash it? Like SkyKing or something I forgot whaT people call the person
So glad that I came across your channel! You have a new subscriber! 💛💛💛
Excellent, sensitive job of dealing with these tragedies. I have just subscribed- thank you!
There was a crash I think in 2018 involving an airliner... a baggage worker at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport stole an Alaska Airlines plane and flew it into a mountain, he didn’t bring anyone with him though thankfully.
Coming from someone who was suicidal in the past, I wanted to spare people from my pain. I can emphasize with the pilot’s emotional pain, but I will never understand how they could take so many lives with them. Similar feeling to people who drive the wrong way on highways to end their life (often taking others with them). Regardless, these people must have been in a really dark place. It’s a complicated way to end their life, requires planning.
What I do know, suicide is very stigmatized in many countries. For the person and for the family. Crashing a plane must have seemed like a way to avoid the stigma their family would face following their death. Making it look like an accident. It didn’t work...but I imagine that was their intention. Innocent people shouldn’t have died, if a pilot wanted to crash in an “accident”, it should have been a small single-pilot plane.
My life insurance policy is the only one I even saw that covered suicide; it doesn’t begin to cover it until two years after the policy begins, though, for obvious reasons.
Most cover suicide after 2 years. I believe a court ruled insurance company’s needed to cover even suicide after a time period. And 2 yes was agreed.
Make it look like an accident for double indemnity (twice the payoff). Just don't take anyone else, person or animal with you, just saying.
1st thought if Kevin Hines after jumping off Golden Gate was regret at having jumped. Just saying.
You mean Murder suicide..... unless they were solo....
also... I’m pretty sure it was a completion
..... sadly....
Again, no definitive proof pilot did it
This is good shit dude. Great channel. I'm sure your channel will grow.
This is a really good video on this subject. I like that it covers more than one event. The military has a much tighter grip on pilots and their medical/psych histories. I really doubt many of these events would have happened in the USAF, at least not during my 21 years of active service. I can only recall a single event during my time. It even reaches into some of the ground and munitions crews as well.
I mean no offense to the military at all, I served in the usaf as a controller myself. That said, the military has improved on this substantially, but it is more likely to have an accident caused by arrogance rather than suicide. An accident im certain you are familiar with is the 94' Fairchild AFB B-52 crash. Pilots with this mentality still exist, luckily to a lesser degree. That B-52 crash is a truly sad as well as frustrating story to read, one used to this day in military and FAA training on the importance of CRM (Crew Resource Management).
@@nahta Yeah, I’m well aware of that mess. If my memory is correct, the pilot had been grounded previously for his behavior across the board. I’m not sure what happened to place him back in the left seat again but this flight was a final check ride with the chief looking over his shoulder at the time of the crash. Sadly, along with everyone else the man who would certify/decertify went down as well. A lot was learned from this and I doubt the same behaviors would ever have been given a second consideration. Take care.
@@Ronin4614 Yessir, and I agree. Another sad part is the co pilot was a commander as well, and he refused to allow any of his pilots to fly with "Bud", so if someone was ever needed he would fly instead (and was obviously on that flight). There was 1 more, an engineer iirc, who was on his final flight before retirement, and his family was waiting to celebrate and were watching as it happened. I remember seeing the video of the crash in a safety class in the AF, and ironically ended up working the radar for the very same area in the FAA years later, small world.
There has been a fair amount of people killing someone with guns with a military history, tho.
Most recently, they guy who killed the couple over snow shoveling and then killed himself. One could argue that he'd been driven to it, and that woman wasn't smart enough to keep quiet and apologize at the very least. The guy didn't seem in any danger to anyone else, tho.
Jeffrey Dahmer also had military service. And I think the guy who killed people out the window at that concert...
I know that's not all of them. Namely because a LOT of people were in the service. Doesn't make anyone any better/less or more sane.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 As the post your replying to was saying, he specifically highlighted pilots, and was honestly speaking on no other position within the military. None of those individuals were pilots, and if memory serves me right they were not even officers, all enlisted (also still rare in the Air Force, which is the branch he mentioned). My cousin is Army so I mean no disrespect, its a larger force and they really like their waivers for things that would normally disqualify you (generally medical issues), but thats supply and demand, they need to fill spots or they can't accomplish the mission.
I’ve known people who’ve taken their lives. Never so close to me that I could say I fully understand what they were going through, but close enough I could hazard some semblance of empathy and understanding, if not a degree of awareness for the reason why they did it (I know it’s more complicated than that, but...). But in these scenarios I simply don’t get it. None of those who I knew had any inclination to hurt others in their decision. If anything, they believed what they were doing was saving others from their pain. No matter how I think about this, I cannot wrap my head around it. It’s so fucking tragic in every sense
Edit: I also don’t see the connection between the accusation of sexual misconduct and mass murder. Something else HAS to be going on there
I guess the note of sexual misconduct comes from the common believe that all types of inappropriate and "sinful" behaviour are somewhat connected. As in people are either good or bad. I'm sure psychologist would disagree, or at least offer way more sophisticated answers to possible connections of the two things.
Stumbled upon your channel today and aside from subbing, I'll be binge watching several episodes today! 👍Your channel is awesome!
Sorry, but how the hell was the court not allowed to consider the NTSB report? Like, surely it would have been highly relevant information.
Exactly, they proved it was intentional and that all of the mechanical systems were functioning properly at the time the plane entered the dive.
I have studied this court case for several years and I firmly believe that the plaintiffs deliberately cherry-picked and fabricated the evidence to make it appear that their version of events were what happened when they were not. In fact, they only have ONE piece of evidence to suggest that a rudder hardover caused the crash: the servo-valve contained a manufacturing defect which could, Potentially, cause a rudder malfunction and crash.
Also, if this is what really happened then it would be entirely different from the events of UA 585, UsAir 427 and Eastwind 517 as in those cases the servo-valves were vulnerable to thermal shock: suddenly going from very cold temperatures to very hot temperatures, while here, a servo-valve with a manufacturing defect is the cause.
Discovery and use of cockpit and surface vehicle recordings and transcripts states: "No part of a report of the Board, related to an accident or an investigation of an accident, may be admitted into evidence or used in a civil action for damages resulting from a matter mentioned in the report."
"The lawyer representing the plaintiffs, Walter Lack (and the overall plaintiff of this case), stated that the law only disallowed using the NTSB report's conclusion and suggestions, while statements of fact are admissible".
This likely happened not because Walter Lack was contacted by the victims relatives, nor was he a Silkair pilot, a friend of Captain Tsu, or part of the NTSB, but that he did not believe that Pilot Suicide was a thing, despite several cases prior to 2004: JAL 350, FedEx 705 (attempted suicide), Egyptair 990, 1999 Air Botswana incident, Royal Air Maroc flight 630, etc.
Lack's attorney, Kenneth L. Crowder, appears to have very little, if any, knowledge of aviation, let alone the Flight Data Recorder, as in a documentary, Silkair 185: Pilot Suicide?, he asks why didn't Captain Tsu disable both flight recorders at the same time. The answer is this, if the circuit breaker to the CVR is pulled, nothing happens, but if the circuit breaker to the FDR is pulled, a Master Caution light and warning appear in front of each pilot, so Captain Tsu could not have disabled both recorders at the same time with another pilot in the cockpit.
In simple terms, Crowder is asking, Why didn't he use water to extinguish the cooking fire?
I can’t imagine how frustrating it must have been for a group to make a decision knowing that. “We have proof the captain killed them all, but pretend we don’t. Now what took the plane down?” Come on
Lots of red flags on both of these guys, enough for me to hold these companies responsible.
Arent pilots supposed to have crystal clear records in every way?
No that's unrealistic. Pilots are still humans.
@Chocolate Stars The OP said "crystal clear record in every way" which is unrealistic.
There is a list of FAA approved antidepressants.
@Chocolate Stars We do what's called a peak and trough on them to check blood serum levels of a drug, so it's very easy to establish compliance. This is especially true when someone's professional career is at stake, and it would be pretty outrageous and ignorant to let that sort of noncompliance slide.
how do you only have 30k subs im in love w ur videos been binging them the last few days
Thank you for this story. It’s important that the truth stay out there about this homicide. My grandparents were on that plane. It was so awful! Airlines need to make sure their pilots are of sound mind
Rip your grandparents 😢
@@HORSEYANIME2024 thank you
The fact that the Egyptian government would say and still say that it was not suicide is so horrible. Everyone says that he would never do something like that, he was not that kind of man. The thing is that he was that exact kind of man. A man too proud and elevated so much by others that he could not face the shame of his actions. Its horrible that to try and preserve the dignity and image of a dead man they fail to acknowledge the mass murder he did. All so he didnt have to feel shame.
A culture of lies.
As someone who has struggled with Suicidal Ideation for a few years now, I can understand what would cause someone to perform an act like this. There's no excuse for them taking the lives of so many innocent people, however perpetrators of mass shootings are the same. They want to go out with a "bang." They don't want to go out alone, mostly unknown. So they go out in one of the worst, most horrific ways possible. Everyone here talking down on the pilots for being suicidal have obviously never been on that ledge, ready to end it all. You aren't thinking straight. You dont care for the well being of others in that moment. Yes, suicide is a selfish act, but it's the FINAL symptom of serious mental illness left unchecked. I feel for all of the innocent victims that were killed. And to the pilots that were obviously in a living hell.
yep exactly.
Jesus love you so much brother. Never give up
Suicide is sympathetic....but just not murder-suicide
keep up the amazing work
Regardless of Tsu's military credentials....
I am retired USAF. I worked on aircraft for 23 years and, yes, we had some absolutely nutcase pilots. One, a retired F-16 jockey, then began flying for Northwest Airlines. He got busted for cocaine while strapping in one day. Oddly, he was given a second chance after a rehab stay.
He did it again. He got fired.
The man was 100% nuts by that time. I stood outside a local hotspot looking for him because he had sworn to come kill us all!!
Now? He has disappeared.
But it shows that even the most revered of our "heroes" can go astray.
What this man did is absolutely unforgivable. Making others pay for your own pain is cowardly. I don’t care how much pain you are in, it doesn’t give you the right to hurt others. Shameful…
Ah BF1 music...the memories. That game has got such an amazing soundtrack.
Thought so in the first few seconds, surprised no one at EA has jumped on it tbh. Cracking BF game as well.
I still play it
I was literally playing BF1 when I started playing this video, confused the hell out of me
I fucking new it sounded familiar 😂😂
I guess I haven't played whatever BF1 means....
Very good video. Thank you for sharing.
Can’t understand wanting to take a bunch of innocent people with you, suspect they blamed everyone for their problems.
Letting one pilot handle a mass of people. Mate, I even felt insecure when I first had an uber not alone in the sky. Afterwards, I got my license then no-more.
Yeah, Uber can't POSSIBLY be profitable.
Why? I rode in one with a friend for about 5 bucks on a short ride. I'm assuming the guy lived nowhere near there. It wouldn't even be worth it for me that does live there, to start my car and drive over there.
Much less hand any of my money to somebody else. Lol.
Egyptair 990 and Germanwings 9525 crashed by suicidal pilots. Pilots should pass psychology tests and airlines should conduct more intensive background checks.
they do
They do both. Most airlines require pschological evaluation during annual medical exams.
Another great video
I can think of few things as disgustingly pathetic as murder-suicide. Invoking so much suffering without a thought just because you know you won’t be around to see the consequences. I will never learn the names of these murderers, because their last wish was probably to be remembered.
See like, I get suicide. I really, really do-- I've struggled with suicide attempts and ideation for many years. What I don't get is how you could take other people down with you.
Thank you for putting all of those suicide hotlines at the beginning of the video. It's always super important to have resources when discussing anything related to suicide
Why doesn't the cockpit voice recorder have battery backup?
Because boeing want to keep their dirty secret for themselves..
@@banggoman7371 … really?
@@banggoman7371 - you’re off your meds again aren’t you?
I'm very familiar with Silk Air Flight 185. Somehow, I still remember watching the Air Crash Investigation episode on that crash before I went on holiday to Melbourne, and that was just over ten years ago.
Why are you not more popular! also, can you look into or possibly do a mini video on LOT 16?
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Very interesting chanel.
If appears to me that these countries don't want to admit that their pilot's had mental health issues, and that suicide was a possibility. In many countries suicide is consider shameful, that could be the main reason why they don't want to admit suicide could've played a role
Yeah, but I'm stalled at the weenie waver.
It's not something most professionals do. They have too much to lose.
Unless it's also hidden alcoholism or addiction. It would account for the depression, too.
Great video
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Thank you for sharing
Excellent presentation!!! R.I.P. all those innocent lost souls!!! ✨🙏
What is the name of the song early in this video? Starts in the two minutes or so area. Great channel, btw.
If you have the shazam app, try playing it on your tv, or computer and try shazam on it.
Aircrews also need to be able to disconnect the voice recorder to protect the recordings of critical incidents for a later investigation so it does not get overwritten just from waiting for the inspectors to arrive, so some option like that is needed and can always be abused.
Noticed that you sampled the menu music from Battlefield 1. Matches really well.
They need to install an emergency radio in the tail (one without a circuit breaker!), that locked out crew can use to contact Head Office who can issue override codes for the doors.
Now they have Air Marshalls on flights, there's little threat of terrorists holding a crew member hostage to use this kind of radio. Actually, there have been no terrorist hijackings for 20 years now.
9 /11 ...
@@bunnyrabbit936 he said 20 years bro. Do the math smh🤦🏿♂️
None in the U.S. that is.
@@bunnyrabbit936 queef sounds 🤡💗💨
Any thought on MH370, its nearly 7 years now, though some experts believed that it could be categorized as a suicide by the crew, though not yet enough hard evidence available on hand.
Ofcourse not its not a suicide but its the boeing faulty machines who killed them..
It almost certainly involved someone on the crew. Too many actions that are best described as 'evasive' the fact thst the Captain had a Flight Simulator on his home computer that included data on a flight along roughly the same route as they followed seems to be definitive.
BUT we will never know unless they eventually stumble across the remains and (after all this time) it yields some evidence, we will never really know.
Cool vid, at 8:15 what's the background music ? Such a cool, relaxing loop
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏼
These incidents they're calling
"Pilot suicide" I don't see it that way. I know from experience that suicide is the resulting side effect of depression, and is most commonly done alone in complete privacy. I see these situations as more of mass murder, out of revenge and taking advantage of the opportunity to conflict mass casualties all in one instance while they've got them all together! If I'd have got in the cockpit and figured I wasn't able to save the plane, then the last sounds on the c.v.r. heard until the crash,would be of me, beating & kicking the shit out of the 1st officer! He'd have likely been dead before impact.
Think that's right. But I think it's best described as both. I would call it suicide/mass murder, as suicide is not always due to depression. There are some suicides that are done impulsively and it's not known if these people were actually depressed. But I quibble.
@@cchris874 You're right👍👍👍There are many cases of suicide,murder when people who were left by their spouse kill their own children as act of revenge or even kill the entire family!Sorry for my english
@@cchris874yes exactly but it was boeing not the pilot..
@@banggoman7371 What does that mean?
@@cchris874 that means the plane itself made by boeing killed the people on board, not the pilot because he was not trying to suicide.
If someone commits suicide by themselves, it is quickly forgotten in the news. Add a plane full of passengers and this suicide will be remembered over and over therefore portraying the pilot over and over. He will not be forgotten because he not only took his own life but murdered so many.
and is it wrong?
He's a killer
Nobody talks about the 2013 Mozambican LAM crash that also happened with a depressed captain who locked the co-pilot out of the cabin.
Imagine choosing to go home early for your wedding and this hapoens
I also believe there is a possibility that the recent crash of a fight from kunming to Guangzhou may have been pilot suicide.
It hurts me so much deep inside upon hearing this kind of accident and while watching the video, how much more for the Loved ones of all the innocent victims of these so called pilots suicide on the airplane? 😭
Well that was grim, but the music made it straight up depressing. Well put together video though, love all the little details you put in to recreate the scenarios
They shouldn't take others with them, grab a plane and do it alone, like Sky king
For Australians, he linked the number of lifeline.
That’s a good service, I’m taking the time to acknowledge the work you did because you’ve earnt it.
Imagine being the guy who switched shifts with the Egyptair First Officer.
My grandmother was on Egypt Air flight 990. She was on route to Cairo to see the pyramids after my Grandfather had died about a year or two before. I was young, about 12 when this happened. Rest in peace Maureen Ross.
There needs to be a different term people who do this. Murder-suicide when a person decides they judge, jury, and executioner for dozens or hundreds of people is insufficient. There needs to be a terminal title for the worst of the worst.