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IVAN DEMIDOV: BETTER THAN MACKLIN CELEBRINI? Montreal Canadiens Top Prospect Talk
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We're talking about Montreal Canadiens prospect Ivan Demidov, and how he compares to Macklin Celebrini of the San Jose Sharks.
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This video is taking place after the 2024 NHL Entry Draft, and after the 2024 Stanley Cup Playoffs.
The 2024 NHL Draft 1st Round went as follows:
1st) San Jose Sharks, Macklin Celebrini
2nd) Chicago Blackhawks, Artyom Levshunov
3rd) Anaheim Ducks, Beckett Sennecke
4th) Columbus Blue Jackets, Cayden Lindstrom,
5th) Montreal Canadiens, Ivan Demidov
6th) Utah Hockey Club, Tij Iginla
7th) Ottawa Senators, Carter Yakemchuk
8th) Seattle Kraken, Berkly Catton
9th) Calgary Flames, Zayne Parekh
10th) New Jersey Devils, Anton Silayev
11th) San Jose Sharks (from Buffalo Sabres), Sam Dickinson
12th) Minnesota Wild (from Philadelphia Flyers), Zeev Buium
13th) Philadelphia Flyers (from Minnesota Wild), Jett Luchanko
14th) Buffalo Sabres (from Pittsburgh Penguins via San Jose Sharks), Konsta Helenius
15th) Detroit Red Wings, Michael Brandsegg-Nygard
16th) St. Louis Blues, Adam Jiricek
17th) Washington Capitals, Terik Parascak
18th) Chicago Blackhawks (from New York Islanders), Sacha Boisvert
19th) Vegas Golden Knights, Trevor Connelly
20th) New York Islanders (from Tampa Bay Lightning via Chicago Blackhawks), Cole Eiserman
21st) Montreal Canadiens (from Los Angeles Kings), Michael Hage
22nd) Nashville Predators, Yegor Surin
23rd) Anaheim Ducks (from Toronto Maple Leafs), Stian Solberg
24th) Utah Hockey Club (from Colorado Avalanche), Cole Beaudoin
25th) Boston Bruins (from Boston Bruins via Detroit Red Wings and Ottawa Senators), Dean Letourneau
26th) Los Angeles Kings (from Winnipeg Jets via Montreal Canadiens), Liam Greentree
27th) Chicago Blackhawks (from Carolina Hurricanes), Marek Vanacker
28th) Calgary Flames (from Vancouver Canucks), Matvei Gridin
29th) Dallas Stars, Emil Hemming
30th) New York Rangers, EJ Emery
31st) Toronto Maple Leafs (from Edmonton Oilers via Anaheim Ducks), Ben Danford
32nd) Edmonton Oilers (from Florida Panthers via Philadelphia Flyers), Sam O'Reilly
This video is also taking place after 2024 NHL Season, and after the 2024 Stanley Cup Playoffs, where the Florida Panthers defeated the Edmonton Oilers in the Finals.
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I would say I am a tertiary Canadiens fan. The next like 8 years are looking so good for Montreal! I am super excited to watch their games
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Offensively, Demidov is better than Celebrini, Celebrini is a more well rounded player.
And a natural leader apparently too, like captain material
How many games combined have you seen these two play?
@ScottStenlund You haven't watch demidov much either , his vision is insane and this is why he got some insane pass (his teamate sometimes don't get it because they didn't though he could do that pass)
And we don't know who's right or wrong right now , we will know that in a couple of years. Demidov will probably be in a good team faster as well because we are about 2 years ahead in our rebuild. But honnestly i think both will become insane players and both will get the chance to touch the cup.
@@scatback33i saw most Celebrini's games, because i was following Hutson, and i saw a few games of Demidov, Demidov will generate more points than Celebrini and that i'm sure of it.
@ScottStenlund lol he might be here next season. Do you not read the news?
i can imagine Demidov with Suzuki, because i think they are complementary. Demidov would just have to make his magic and Suzuki would focus on the rest and setting him up. Also, i think Suzuki is one of the most underrated center in the league, and with Demidov with him, I would not be surprise if he puts up points around the 100 mark at least once. Suzuki is not spectacular one bit, he's more the quiet type, but give him the right wingers and he may just fly. He's not in the Kucherov category in playmaking, but closer than most people think IMO. We tend to forget Suzuki potential sometimes, so hopefully we'll get a reminder soon!
just read this after my answer to you on the previous comment xD
@@jeromelasonde8672 hehe!
Also yes Slaf could fit well additionally bringing size,, but i feel Demidov is exactly whats Suzuki is not....but it's a bit far to predict exactly what will be the lines, but i guess at 8 millions Slaf is a 1rst liner...? myebalso dach with Suzi and demidov?
@@pierre-yvesdubreuil9315 What i like about the possibility of slaf and demidov is that both past the puck with extrem force and speed. Not a lot of players are passing this way that often in a game. I also think that 8M for slaf mean 1 line winger in the long run for sure. I would rather push Caufield on the second line , i think he would be even better scorer with lesser opposition and stil with good players (if dach stay healthy for once in his life)
@pierre-yvesdubreuil9315 slaf has the most skill and upside on the team (not including demidov) he's also big and does everything else really well! He'd be perfect on that line! He's so good at protecting pucks and retrieving them too! He'd keep the puck in the other teams zone giving suzuki and demidov more chances to do things.
@@finalguildis Slaf is good, but i'm not certain 100% he will belong to the first line in the coming years. I don't think he is more skilled than suzuki and caufield. he fills the space size-wise no doubt though...but i think a player a la Anderson (a confident one) may complete Suzuki and demidov more adequately, so to have a stronger 2nd line . maybe Dach on the first line and a second line consisting of caufield, slaf and hage is possible in a few years....?
PLEASE make a video about Michkov vs Demidov
Going to be a great one.
Light years better than sennecke
I am happy we got Demidov.. but have you watched Sennecke's highlights? At 6'3" and with such hands, he will be a Superstar, I am sure of it, he was my favorite player in the draft and was praying for Montreal to pick him.
@@zblip22 have you seen senneckes pencil legs? Better hope he fills out or he’ll have a hell of a time staying healthy
Us Habs fan DO over rate our prospects but id say its true of most fans of most teams, no?
Good for us that we have Bobrov in our scouting team. I think that Mtl should and would invest in the scouting and development staff since that's the only place that we don't have a salary cap (KH & JG know that and it's a big part of the Habs success).
btw, the last time that we got a great core of young players mixed with great veterans was in 1986. We just need those veterans in 2 years when we'll be ready for the long run (no offense to those in the team right now).
Also, Demidov actually dominated the MHL but the skills he got can be transferred to the NHL. He will have a lot less time and space (he will need one year of adaptation) but at the same time, teammates will have a lot more skills than his SKA teammates so I think it will be fast for him to adapt his game.
One could say that Demidov's style of play could be not entirely compatible with the NHL and for this reason, Celebrini is a safer pick. But one could also argue that Celebrini's style could also be less effective in the NHL, after all, both depend on their ability to adapt their game to the NHL speed. Demidov isn't a one trick pony, far from it. His success doesn't depend on speed alone or strength alone or any single attribute. He is simply a virtuoso at dangling through players, improvising quick plays on the go, shooting top corner while in movement etc etc etc. He averaged not one, but two points per game. This, independently of the caliber of the league he played in, is crazy.
He is simply the most talented hockey player we have seen in years. To me, this sounds like a guy that has the potential to adapt quickly to the NHL, because whatever he does with the puck is magic and unpredictable. Celebrini is super efficient in all facettes of the game. He could very well be the one who finds out that a lot of the things he took for granted in the minors, don't work anymore in the big league. I think Celebrini could join the NHL sooner than Demidov. But give Demidov an extra year to push his skill level one level up, and he could be entering the league in the top line, ready to produce full steam ahead, without having to adapt his game! Lane Hutson, as we saw, didn't look foolish at all and was 2 in 2 in his first two games. His tricks did work and his vision still was effective. I think that there is a real possibility that Demidov outplays Celebrini in the big league.
Looks like Suzuki found his winger at last....
@@pierre-yvesdubreuil9315 Both winger too , suzuki could have a season close to 100 pts with Demidov and Slaf + power play.
It’s likely he’ll be a more productive offensive star.
Going into the draft, it wasn't uncommon to hear scouts say demidov had possibly the highest offensive ceiling in this draft class
Let's hope the Habs have a legit top 6
Is this kid nhl ready yet? And when is he going to be. Available to the Habs?
He has a contract with Ska in the KHL/MHL with only one years left. If they dont go far in the playoff , there's a chance we see him for a couple of regular season game with Montreal this year. His first year on his contract will start at 2025 / 2026 season.
I would say that Celebrini has a better "guarantied" ceiling but that Demidov has a "higher" ceiling than Celebrini.
Offensively yes
Offensively yes. I think he is also better then Michkov, cause he fights for the puck.
Offensively better than Mitchkov? Not a chance if Mitchkov played in the MHL his draft year he'd of put up 2GPG and like 3.5PPG. Mitchkov played in 2 leagues higher and has since his -1 year. Mitchkov is on Bedards level just wait once he gets to NA he is going to light it up. Remember Mitchkov had the Goal record in world juniors as a -1 and he wasn't allowed to go when Bedard broke all the records.
I agree. Demigod has a higher ceiling than Michkov.
@@SammySlam its because michkov is a better scorer that he is better. Demidov have a better all around game and more skills than michkov
@@jajakengang277 saying someone has more skills than the Russian rookie who broke all the records Ovie did is a far stretch. The level of competition Mitchkov played was levels above demidov. Mitchkov could of done crazy skillful moves against kids also but he played against men.
Demidov = Tarasenko
Michkov = Ovi/Kucherov/Kaprizov hybrid
I sure hope
Crosby vs Ovi
No one said he was better. They said he has the chance to be a better offensive player. Thats not saying hes a better player
Definitely better than Celebrini offensively. I almost see it as a Crosby & Ovechkin comparison. Although Demidov is closer to Ovi than Celebrini is to Crosby no doubt
Coping hard
No one knows the answer to this until they both get a few years in the NHL under their belts.
No. There is a reason Celebrini was the consensus #1 with it not being close.
I think that Davidov will be a better Montreal Canadian and
Celebrini will be a better San Jose Shark😂😂😂
Rather have Demidov but thought a mistake to not take Mitchkov would have taken him and if saw any problems just traded
Celi vs Demi is going to be a difficult comparison, If they both score 35 goals the player on highlight reel more often will get hyped more as per usual. No matter how you score them they only count one.
When I hear people say "yeah but Demidov played in the MHL", I'm like so what?
If Demidov played in the OHL, he still would have killed it.
Demidov could play in NHL right away (2024-2025).
If he did, he would have 50pts+ for sure.
There's no room for him now, so we're hoping he gets lots of ice-time in the KHL.
It's better if he plays for a bad team and has lots of ice-time than playing for a good team and have poor ice-time.
He'll make the Habs roster in 2025-26.
Unless there are trades, the top 6 in 2025-26 will be Slaf, Suz, Caufield, Dach, Demidov and Newhook.
Mark my words, the next trade deadline and off-season for Kent Hughes is going to be very busy.
Dvorak, Armia, Pezzetta, Evans and Savard will all be UFA June 1st 2025. Harvey-Pinard will be RFA.
This gives lots of room and $$$ for MTL to offer a massive contract to Draisaitl.
SlafkovskyCaufield
DraisaitlDemidov
RoyGallagher
You can patch/plaster the 4th line with depth. Resigning Evans for 1-2 years is an option for a 4th line center.
If Harvey-Pinard doesn't have the season of his career, they should let let him go and not qualify an offer to his RFA status.
It will be a make it or break it season for him. If it's a break it season, then no other team is going to get him unless they need a plaster.
With all the players down the pipeline, I wouldn't worry about the 4th line.
Laval will have a bunch of changes for 2025-26.
Mesar required a trade when he was told he wasn't going to play for Laval yet.
Beck is eligible to play another year in the CHL because he'll only turn 21yo in Feb.
Since Mesar and Beck won't be playing for Laval, they patched 1 year contracts on older players.
Kapanen has some nice upside, but will play at least another year in the Sm-liiga.
If he can be NHL ready for 2025-2026, that would be awesome. I think he be better than Roy and replace Gallagher in the future.
There's this other kid, Rohrer, who plays in the Swiss A. He's another guy that should be brought over to NA.
We'll see how much Farrell, Kidney, Heineman and F-Xhekaj are going to grow surrounded by a bunch of AHL semi-veteran plasters in Laval.
Hage is going to be a top 6 but it could be a year or two later in 2026-27 or 2027-28.
I am expecting Michkov to have some competition for the rookie of the year in 2024-25.
Cutter Gauthier, Macklin Celebrini, Will Smith, Logan Stankoven, Lane Hutson, Mavrik Bourque and Shane Wright.
Montreal traded to get the first pick for Guy
It like Ovy & the Kid back in the day, Crosby was the best overall player, Ovy is the best point producing forward. but only a decade or two will tell us if that perception will hold true
"Ovy is the best point producing forward"
1550 points in 1426GP vs 1596pts in 1272GPs.
You're telling me Ovie is the better point producer when Crosby is outscoring him in fewer games? Please explain.
@@kenevinparent2314 you're likely very right I don't know theirs stats by heart I should of said goal scorer for this specific example
lol you're talking about prospects who are picked 7-10 years ago. of course they are not relevant as prospects anymore. Mcdavid torching the league for DECADES. Has been in the league for 9 years. And still can't pronounce Zegras properly. Good stuff
No more or more less than fans from other teams over rating their players.
Big difference to, is you are comparing the Bergevin era and how they drafted vs the Hughes era and how they draft. I don't think anyone will disagree that Hughes' team drafts better.
Probably the few good drafts that stands out from the Bergevin era is Guhle and Caufield. As far as trades, probably the Patches trade to Vegas and getting Suzuki back. But outside of those 3 players, what did Bergy do for 10yrs?
Mailloux draft as well for Bergevin
At least bergy left good contract (some bad) to the next Gm (not like the 5 previous one that destroyed the team with bad players/contracts with no picks and also no talent in the pipeline (gomez for Mcdonnagh exp). Hughes had all his good picks and players to move for more picks at least from the Berg era. Joel Edmundson , jeff petry / romanov / Artturi Lehkonen / Ben Chiarot / Tyler Toffoli (Anderson had they trade him the same year they send Toffoli to the Flames when he had value) and for the pipeline , he left Suzuki/Caufield / Strubble / Harris / Ghule/Mailloux. The only contract i really disliked was Gally but at the same time he kinda derserved it for what he did for us. I wouldn't mind if it was 4 years instead of 6.
The 2 only guy we draft and stay is gallagher and price trevor timmin suck soo much in this year of bad pick
and Caufield, Mailloux, Ghule.
Patch / caufield / ghule / pk subban / gally /price ect and just for you to know timmins from 2003 to 2013 is the recruter with players from draft playing the most games in the NHL with 6078 games second is san josee with 6003 , third is Chicago with 5771 ect ect. He did that mostly with first round pick late in the draft from 10 to 25 or without first rounder or second rounder half those years. Timmins wasn't the problem , The Core of the team needed to change (the mentalily to always try to make the playoff every year no matter the cost) And he wasn't the only one choosing for the pick because i heard some players he was pushing that we didn't take and it would have been HOMERUN PICK , kinda sad for him he was with montreal all those year , a waste. Trading sergachev or mcdonnagh and other prospect wasn't his fault either. also montreal got 15 impact players out of 30 in those 10 years for 50% next washington is 13 impacts players out of 29 pick for 44.83% and nashville 14 impact players in 34 picks for 41.18%.
Saying timmins was bad just proved you dont know much about hockey and didn't even look anything about him , kinda lame.
Im a habs fan. And it's sickening to listen to this fan base go on about our prospects. 😢
You're not a fan.😂
99% of the time Montreal overhypes facts
As does other team's fans with their prospects. Not a Montreal thing
Literally all 32 fanbases overrate their prospects. It’s not a Montreal thing
99% of the time people exaggerate the percentage 😂
He will put up more points than Celebrini but Celebrini plays Center so he's more valuable because he should become a 1C.
no he's not lol
He’s a bust 🤣