The Ruin of Doriath - Timeline of Arda #8
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- The ruin of Doriath was the ultimate conclusion of dooms, curses, and oaths coming into that Elven Kingdom of the Silmarillion. From the tales of Húrin and his family to the greed of Dwarves and the fire of the sons of Fëanor, Doriath and its king Thingol met their final fates during the First Age of Middle-earth. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts about the ruin of Doriath in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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Hey everyone, I hope you all enjoyed the video! I wanted to add that in 473 of the First Age, the Havens of the Falas were besieged and captured by Morgoth's forces. This was the same year that Túrin arrived in Doriath. Brithombar and Eglarest were destroyed and Barad Nimras were cast down. Thanks, if I come across more that I missed in this video, I'll add it here!
Thoronwe sounds like a GoT fan trying to remember who the giant owl god in Middle-Earth is.
i guess Im kinda randomly asking but do anyone know of a good website to stream new movies online ?
This part of Silmarillion always makes me sad. Elves, dwarfs and men are fighting each other and Morgoths wins by doing almost nothing. He just sits there and laughs while his enemies are tearing themselves apart.
Dwarths basicali for 99% of time are bastards ho halped melkor sauron and fankil in palisor
But all those fussing and fighting were also part of Morgoth’s work.
In every single deed of his siblings, Melkor would put a bit of his malice, always corrupting the song of the Ainur.
I'm still trying to figure out how Tolkien was able to weave this timeline together. It seems so complicated. Extremely captivating, though.
You’re feeding my procrastination, I should be studying
I should be studying too ;) ah well, there always needs to be time for Middle-earth!
This is technically studying
@@MenoftheWest I like you mate :)
I really wish there was more on Dior, son of Luthien and Beren, heir of Thingol, father of Elwing, second and last King of Doriath, who represented the Ainur and Eldar and Humankind and wore the Silmaril
And these Game of Thrones Fanboys always say that Tolkien's works are too positive and sunny.
Even Tolkien has incest 😂
The Silmarillion is actually more depressing than the collective contents of the entire history of Westeros; literally no character emerges happy save Beren and Luthien.
True. There is no way the simplicity and shallowness of stupid GoT can ever match the deepness and magnificence of Tolkien. It's nothing to discuss realy
@@Hordalending GoT feels unintentionally gritty; it's not a good read(or watch) in that regard. You feel hooked, but in the end you don't *want* to read or finish it. LOTR satisfies the reader with a simple yet intricate plot and a satisfying resolution.
@@curtiswong7280 JRR went through the hell of WW1. it shows in his battle stories.
What I love about Tolkien is that just when you think you know all the lore, you come across a cool detail or something you forgot in a corner of his world. It makes everything feel so real. Great video!
“Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have past like rain on the mountains. Like wind in the meadow. The days have come down in the west. Behind the hills, into shadow........how did it come to this?”
This part was always a tough read for me :(
Far too reflective of everyday life and how bad strife between people can get
But even still there is hope ❤️
You should check a song whose lyrics are the quote you just mentioned. Its 100% worth listening
I can tell there’s nothing this man loves more than rolling an “R”
Is it possible that Maedhros maybe more tragic then Turin because he tried to be honorable and friendly with the people of Middle Earth and tried calming his brothers but the Oath he took always took that opportunity from him and in end he ended up committing mass murder and losing everything for nothing. That is pretty tragic because he lived for hundreds of years.
That is a great point. His is an unavoidable and tragic fate he set himself to, and the course could not be changed no matter the Elf he turned out to be.
I like to think that Maglor was spared such a fate and will eventually be pardoned- but Maedhros' tale reeks of tragedy. At the end, when Eönwë simply allowed him to take the Silmarils, it was as if the maia knew what would come of it, and allowed it to end his wholly tragic life to spare him further sorrow.
The fact that it burned him when he held it ever after..
Yeah Maedhros got such a bad hand in the family stakes
Whilst Turin's lot is well known, I think Maedhros' story is also one of the most tragic even if it is so understated. He tries to do good but the Oath ends up destroying him
As a admittedly biased dwarf guy, you know what always struck me in this story? Naugladur, king of the Dwarves of Nogrod. Despite being very minor in the overall Silmarillion as a whole, he even gets to be a tragic character by being led astray into invading Doriath out of blind trust in what his Dwarves said to him, then annihilates Doriath, kills the mighty Mablung, *nearly beats Beren, one of the best warrior of his age, in single combat* and with his dying breath cursed the gold and brought ruin to Doriath. Fascinating little character.
Kudos for the awesome content! Keep it up!
King Naugladur had a very bad Councillor Fangluin!
Lord Naugladur was said to be a 'wicked dwarf', if I remember. He hired orc mercenaries to aid his armies- but I simply refuse to believe it. That would not be the mark of a dwarf.
@@Count.Saruman He also had two traitorous Elves Ufedhin and Narthseg that helped him sack Menegroth.
Bitterly do those who call a dwarf "little" rue their ill-chosen words, soon or late, and in vain do they plead for quarter, for in their grim pride the sons of the mountains are as hard as the stones they live within. Er, that's the kind of thing Tolkien would have said to that...
E dwarths are for 99% of time shit
I first got into Tolkien in the late 1970s. You're doing Eru's work here. Keep it up.
Morgoth's Curse is high Hellenistic tragedy at it's best. Thank you for the summary!
You made me fall even deeper in love with Tolkien's works. I hope your channel will always be active
Sons of Feanor get real courageous when an Elf has a Silmaril, a little less Oath focused when Morgoth has it
Cowards and Hypocrites!!!
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True. I wonder what would Fëanor think about the 2nd and 3rd kinslayings. For him the true enemy was always Morgoth. The first kinslaying was more of desperation and was in fact initiated by the Teleri.
@@snehilsrivastava6249 bologna!! Feanor and his sons were vicious and nasty bastards. No excuse for kinslaying.
What can an elf do against a vala? A being that literally created their world?
I love how at the end of all his videos he has a moral to the story.
Yeah. Class move.
I wish I could get some tea with u guys, you are so cool! Thank you for teaching me about wonderful Middle Earth.
Just in time to listen to before bed!
Tolkien had lots of sad stories with tragic events. Just like the real world
The whole of the first age is pretty much a sad story, it's brilliant though!
The Elven realmsl were inspired by his travels through Europe during his service in WWI.
Always felt pity for Hurin and his kin, it is probably truly the most tragic tales, ironically it later inspired the first Suikoden game (which was my first brush with the fantasy genre at 5 years old), with Thingol's tale one of my favourites alongside Hurin and Turin's tales. Thanks for this excellent video, re-watching this playlist as I write my own Anglo-Saxon tale inspired by Beowulf & Ivanhoe two of my favourite childhood stories that my father and mother used to read to me as a boy.
You Yoystan, are such a gift to this world for this video-series, your telling of this story has brought tears to my eyes and happy memories of my father, who was and remains the greatest friend I have ever had. Thanks for that my friend! You have a beautiful voice.
Superlative job as always my friend :-) I think Turin Turambar's tale is perhaps the most tragic of all in the First Age.
So, that's why the dwarves and elves don't like each other. I knew that they didn't like each other (with the exception of Legolas and Gimli), but I didn't know why. Thanks so much for a great video!
Even the Iluvatar stated to Aule, his children and Aule's creations will always have some anger between the two.
I don't understand why I love to read or listen to such a sad series of stories. And while we need hope. Again you summarized and explained very well, well done
Good summary. One small tweak though: Elured and Elurin were abandoned in the forest by the servants of Celegorm, but they were never confirmed dead and there was one draft that had them surviving: "Nothing certain is known of their fate, but some say that the birds succoured them, and led them to Ossir"
Much of what is discussed here weaves in and out of some of the most tragic of Tolkien's works. It's a sad tale indeed, but all of it had to happen to get to what is one of the most hopeful endings in all of fiction with LotR.
Yoystan! Thank you so much! You make this sad tale, if not happier at least clearer and easier to understand ! one should obviously never become obsessed by jewelry clearly. But seriously it is tragic. But for Greed and treachery Doriath might not have fallen.
Everytime someone tells Turin's story, I always want to give a shout out to my favourite supporting character, Androg. A brutal outlaw who, through Turin and Beleg, finds something of a road to redemption, dying valiantly in the fall of Amon Rudh, saving Beleg's life.
Great video as always! Love Tolkien and his works.
Yes, the silmarillion my fave. I can sleep now
Men, elves, dwarves: we made alliances, promises and shattered them....how could we have been so stupid?
Morgoth: this has turned out so much better than I hoped! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN!
Bryant Wolford ha I can imagine Morgoth dancing around while saying that 😂
There's such depth in Tolkien's works. And tragedy.
very tragic is the story of the Children of Hurin
Thanks for the amazing video
Turin's story always makes me sad. What a bad lot to draw.
It's sad and tragic story but imagine how devasted Húrin was?
He saw the easterlings betrayal, he fought so long that everyone of his men were killed around him (including his brother Huòr). He basically watched all the hopes of Beleriand die around him. Then he was dragged to Morgoth and tortured, and when Morgoth couldn't break him,he was placed on a seat where he had to watch as the curse of Morgoth ruined his family. After the death of his children he was "released". Nobody wanted to see him in Dor-Lomin, Turgon didn't take him to Gondolin and when he finally met his wife in Brethil, she died. Having lost everything and everyone he wen't to pay Thingol for the care his children had gotten in Doriath. In Menegroth Melian lifted the shadow of Morgoth from him and he understood how badly he had been influenced and what he had done. He gave Thingol and Melian his respect. Thanked them truthfully and left. Having lost his will to live he went and drowned himself in the western sea.
Húrin Thalion has allways been one of my favorite characters.
The curse upon Hurin and his family never sat well with me. He was true and brave...and he, his wife, and his children were made to suffer so much. Adding insult to injury, Morgoth used Hurin and his family to harm others. So much suffering inflicted on good folk.
Does anyone think that Melian (which means "Beloved" as Thingol named her) and Thingol were reunited after she returned to Valinor? I hope so. Hopefully Mandos let him out of his halls, eventually, and he was able to be with Melian again.
A very extremely great video as always Men of the West.
Just stumbled upon this channel and I am entranced!
Yessss I love Doriath. I wish I could have dwelled there.
But be gone before the doom 😅
Great content as always Yoysten! 👊🏻👍🏻
One of my favourite stories. Great video!
No poem from me this week. I have not read The Silmarillion yet so I very little knowledge of story and characters. But yes this is indeed a very sad part of the story.
Yes a new vid from my favorite Tolkien Lore channel.
i really love how you always put a moral of the story in your videos
Random thought:
How did Gollum get in and out of Moria when the ways the Fellowship used to enter and leave the mine were physically destroyed?
He likely entered Moria via some naturally made entrance that the fellowship couldn't reach even if they knew about it.
In the books, he had been held by the elves of Mirkwood after escaping Mordor, and, after escaping them, had entered Moria from east entrance. He couldn't figure out how to get past the western doors, so he just happened to be there when the Fellowship entered. He got out like the orcs who tracked the Fellowship did - the bridge wasn't the only way to the east entrance, only the most direct.
Swam maybe? Or found an exit that they couldn't use, as a skilled climber who can see in the dark?
King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England That is a great question! Honestly, I’ve never been entirely sure either. He couldn’t have known they would have gone through Moria, so to have been there before them would have been odd. The West Gate became blocked after the Watcher. From what I can tell, he entered from the East side, and caught up with the Fellowship inside of Moria, for he did not have the ability to even open the Doors of Durin even if they were unblocked.
Dwarves had to have had main shafts going in an out for air and water.
Mae govannen Yoystan. Looking forward to watching this video. It just so happens I'm only one chapter away from reading this part of the Silmarillion. Thank you as always.
Every video you make reminds me of how truly talented a story writer Tolkien was.
That sucks that a rock of remembrance was the only thing to survive Belaeriand.
Cool video yoystan and I can’t wait for the last video of the timeline of arda! And maybe you can do a timeline of the second and third ages of middle earth. Namarie and till the next video.
I would say that this is one of the saddest stories because we lose one of the original patriarchs of the elves that left for Valinor before the 1st age. This is also an age old tale of how those who are in alliance can end up destroying each other giving the greater victory to their mutual foe.
If you are reading this........
I bid you stand! MEN, OF THE WEST!
Turin was the Feanor of Men!
I just got Children of Hurin today! Cant wait to jump into it!
Can't wait for next week's video!
Feanor and his Sons were like a walking blight on Middle Earth. They caused so much misery where they went.
I still can't get why he is called the greastest "elf",yeah he made the Silmarils so,does that mean all the death he make him worthy of the title,Fëanor was just one of the worst.
@@bryanmanuel4945 Yeah, he was a fantastic craftsman that's true. But he was selfish in the end. And his sons weren't much better. They ran around murdered and destroyed anything in their path to get the jewels and in the end it was all for nothing.
@@bryanmanuel4945 He created Tengwa and the Palantiri as well... but I get your point xD
@@mirael96 Eh the Palantiri dumb elf invention nothing I good horse and rider couldn't do,besides a good part of them got lost and the baddies like Sauron and Saruman used them.Fëanor still is the worst even in death
@@bryanmanuel4945 I believe thematically the Character is the antithesis of the Hobbits. Mightiest in craft and ability and ultimately through his pride in his abilities and work of his craft brought about some of the greatest tradgedies and harm to his people. In comparison to the hobbits simple and humble overlooked by the mighty and yet carried through to the end a task which the mighty could not.
Just finished reading the Silmarillion
Good for you
What did you think of the elvish bible?
Mae carnen mellon!
Hopefully you appreciate the brilliance of this universe even more now
The Narn is such difficult reading. It makes me weep every time I hear it.
Now that you brought up the Easterlings in this video, do you think you could do an updated vid on the topic of the Easterlings and Haradrim? I know there is very little lore spoken into these races of men but I would be very interested in your opinions and research!
so much great information!! but so many names it's making my head spin. i couldn't keep the names straight. haha
Amazing channel ‼️
Im not familiar with Silmarillion unfortunately but I should get to it! 💗💗💗💗
You should! :)
Hi Yoysten, Thanks for another great video. Hey I wonder if you might consider what would happen if Galadriel took Gandalf's place as part of the fellowship. She was very fond of him, and it was only just after the company lost him that they went to see her. It stands to reason that she would have an interest in finishing what he started.
Something that I think Tolkien added, which was cute in between 2 tales...Is have the 2 *(Hero Cousins)* Tuor and Turin Meet!!!
Thanks for this sad tale as a Video Mellon, Until Elrond's Bro Elros' ECH...Marion Baggins Out!!!
I've always head people tell me LOTR was Tolkien's only great work, only true aficionados know the Silmarillion is arguably better. The Children of Hurin, The Lay of Beren and Luthien, and the entire Quenta Silmarillion is a true masterpiece. A war doomed from the beginning, fought against insurmountable odds and against an unbeatable foe.
I'm realizing the elves have pretty much the same temptation to the silmarills that men had to the ring, and it's less forgiveable since they were pure light, something coveted, and their own greed drove them to do horrors. But men had no possible power to overcome saurons ring, him being a mayar, you really can't blame them, but the elves hold most of the blame. Adds an amazing layer to the elves who always seemed so perfect and noble in the final years of their reign, but we get to see how even the first born children were flawed, and all the better for it in the end
That's heavy.
I was always shocked that some Elves would behave this way. I thought it was the Silmarillion that warped them but some were arrogant and awful from early on.
The only 'change' I would suggest is the description of Huor as broken when Melkor set him free. He was not, as he spoke with his wife, when she 'chided' him for being gone for so long he replied that he came, as best he could. While he cared those horror's he never bent to Morgoth or any others...
That was a very sad video, dwarves, elves and men arent having a good time in this tale. Still really enjoyable to watch, keep up the good work!
Rip the Petty Dwarves :(
Do you have a video about the weakening of Middle Earth? It seem that the heros fade, the battles are smaller and the wars too as we go true the ages... The war of the ring is a shadow of the war of the last alliance, and the war if the last alliance is a shadow of the war of wrath? Any videos or articals about this?
All of it is about this. The entire body of work constantly speaks of the fate of Arda. It's ruin and slow diminishing by evil until the Dagor Dagorath or Ragnorak or Armageddon, when Creation is renewed by Light.
Lord of the rings helped me learn how to read
But I didn't actually read the books, I used audible
There are so many sad and dour tales in Tolkien's lore. It does make the world of Middle Earth more realistic. I have never understood the fans of Middle Earth that see the world as optimists when every victory of good only comes with great sacrifice.
hurray
Can you create a video that explains events of Silmarillion with the help of maps? Like paths of Feanor, Fingolfin, Melkor and in south about Teleri in Beleriand.
What if the elvish king Thingol had given the Sons of Feanor the Silmaril he got from Beren instead of insulting the Sons of Feanor and keeping it for himself?
What would have happened?
It seems a lot of strife would have been avoided, but I wonder if it would have caused other unforeseen and terrible measures to occur.
If Thingol gave the Silmaril back to the Sons of Faenor, Earendil will not be able to use it to persuade the Valar to fight against Morgoth. Thus, the peoples of Beleriand will suffer even more under Morgoth.
@@MenoftheWest no Elwe was kiled by shit of dwarths not elfs
feanor were cowards thingol and his people never left feanor should have assaulted morgoth for the 2 instead of turn his friend into enemy
Love the content keep it up
do a video about the capitals of middle earth
Good video.
I recommend everyone reads The Children Of Hurin! It's mightily epic!
Doriath is probably my favorite place in all the lands of the "free folk." I hope Amazon does an accurate masterpiece when they finally get done and release their Tolkien books-based movies: watching all these videos will help us prepare for them.
i never wanted a realm to fall so bad like doriath
Was Dagor Dagorath abandoned? I mean the King's Men are locked in the Caverns of the Forgotten (Time) until the end of time...so there is still a Dagor Dagorath to be fought. That is canonical as it has been published.
I am slowly recollecting Tolkien's works. I am waiting for October and the release of the boxed set of the the History of Middle Earth. I will have to order The Children of Turin.
I will continue to hold out for Ecthilion of the fountain.
I feel some of Turin's bad luck is his own fault.
"Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days."
Yoystan, would you consider an alt channel for LOTRO uploads? I've been playing the game for a while, because of your videos!
How is it?
Love those videos : D But it's "Dior" like the fashion brand.
Although it didn’t match Gondolin in majesty, never was there a more holy place in the history of middle earth.
Men of the west could you do the wealth of Erebor next?
The 6 dislikes must be Morgoth supporters
Would you do a video on talion's wife backstory?
YES! ELROS HYPE!!!
Acts of Great Heroism, paid for with Great Suffering. A bold tragedy is the 1st Age.
Men of the West can you discuss what Sauron meant when Frodo first put on the ring?
I never put much stock in the curse of Hurin because near everything that happened was his own choice
Why haven't you made a character profile video for Saruman!? Release who is the strongest of wizardry!
When are we going to have more middle earth theory videos? You haven't done one in a while. 😟
Soon for sure!
☼ i love this channel.
The dwarves started the elf and dwarf conflict.
I refuse to believe that, as do the many legions of dwarf supporters. If only Thingol was not so fond of his goldthings...
@@Count.Saruman they still had no right to kill the man
@@styletyany7124 What man? They didn't kill any man. They only rightfully slew a miserly elf who wouldn't give them their rightful payment.
Well Sindar elves kind of hunted Petty-dwarves considering them animals and Noldor later usurped their lands , so Elves seem to had shot first.
@@anarion211983 on second thought it's more of everyone was an asshole in that situation and that there were no actual victims
So. Much. Info. My heads exploding
So when someone is an "outlaw" here, specifically Turin, who are they an outlaw of?