Used 927 in my sons ktm125sx never had any problems with carbon on power valve or piston run at40/1 but he rides the bike in the power band like 2 stroke race bikes should be that way they stay nice and clean
I'm a believer in the castor. We had no complaints with my dad's H1 street bike, until he switched to Blendzall and all of the "normal" air-cooled bike noises completely went away and vibration was reduced to V12 BMW levels. That was very impressive. There was also a noticeable decrease in cylinder and head temps after switching to the Blendzall, which is a pretty mediocre castor as far as those go. All my bikes are air-cooled and non-powervalve. The extra goo and mess means almost nothing in my application, but the absolutely unparalleled lubrication under extreme heat and load gives me a lot of confidence when I'm reaching for the top of 6th on a hot day. Plus it smells like performance.
@@jonathondavis170 Well I do both kinds of riding, usually in the same day. But even if I did exclusively ride 1st gear goat trails, castor is also great for the bottom end because it's so viscous. But my dirt bikes do run hotter than modern ones and have nothing to gum up, so it's an easier case for me than for others.
My Blendzall separated this past winter, but it sank to the bottom of my tank, took 1 hour to finally have gas coming thru carb drain. Great video and info. Thanks
I have ran Castor 927 at 32:1 in my trail riden yx125x for 50 plus hours and at temps down to 28 degrees in the snow with zero issues. And i love the smell and smoke. If it dont smoke it aint a 2 stroke.
i use klotz castor oil in my 99 cr250r at 30:1 on 98 octane never a problem had the engine apart after 6 years of every day riding and the piston and head were clean! no carbon at all
For the past few years I've been wondering what oil didn't mix or was incompatible with other types. Thanks for posting! I always pour a little bit of each different oil in the cap of the oil bottle to see if they mix together okay. So far I've not run across any that don't but I'e never run a "bean" type oil. Great info!
I've been using spectro sx platinum at 32:1 for almost ten years in my 2000 rm 250 protects very well and burns clean everything always looks good on rebuilds
@@handheldgarage3297 2 stroke, even a 300 ktm, needs a top end every 150-200hrs or so of normal play riding. If your racing or it's a real high compression motocross engine it's more like every 100 hrs.
Castor is made from CASTOR BEANS not Soy beans.....For an old school air cooled non-powervalve motor you can't beat Castor based oils.....for racing......Castor will increase maintenance BUT, Castor will also give best protection and power of all the 2 stroke oils.
Ran 800 in my '15 KTM300 sixdays Spooged everywhere..then switched to 927 loved it! very little spooge great smell..until I replaced the piston at 89 hours Power valve was destroyed with carbon and the rings were stuck in the lands, Da Fuc! No other wear.Better oil for non power valve engines and or high revers. Now going to use Saber at 80:1 as per Big Jeffs reco.
Have heard all the same stuff about Castor 927, I call BS, it is a castor ester blend. have been using it for years and have never ever seen it separate in fuel, or leave any kind of build up. maybe the older types before it was highly refined or mixed with a petroleum base but not the new stuff. I wouldn't run straight BeNol except in very high RPM situations but this stuff here is fine. I just did a Top End rebuild on a 2009 yz250 that has only ever had Castor 927, looked brand new with over 100 hours. use good fuel and half your problems vanish.
Castor 927 is all ive used and my engines always look like they are well oiled but I want to start winter riding and am afraid the cold days it will separate so ive been trying to find a close oil that doesn't have that potential issue even though you said it doesn't happen
@@farquadmantis8486 when it gets cold, I won't mix a 5 gal can and let it sit, but I still have never heard any problems. just shake it up and all is well. I have been riding 2 strokes for 30 years, have never had any issues. If you are still worried, grab some Klotz super techniplate. that has a lower smoke point and mixes very well.
No horse in this race, but Amsoil no longer recommends Saber for two stroke motorcycle engines. Only for small two strokes like chain saws or trimmers.
What would you, fellas, recommend for a Suzuki ax100? I currently run it with Yamalube semisynthetic. Also, with Yamalube, what ratio should I be mixing? I do a 300ml of oil per 12 liters of gas
I was going to try Klotz R50 but it was a cold fall day about 35 degrees when I put gas into the can. The oil sank straight to the bottom. Was worried about it separating in my gas tank where I couldn't monitor it. Said no thanks, never used the gas and went back to Amsoil Dominator. Think I will give the Saber a shot.
R50 is SAE50, so it's technically undesirable under 40⁰F as a rule due to unique properties of SAE50 being unable to have a W designation for "winter" operation due to their excessive viscosity at colder temperatures. If you're running under 40⁰F consistently, a switch to the Klonz snowmobile oil at the manufacturer recommended premix amount for the winter season would provide you with optimal lubrication and better protection than R50 in those conditions. R50 is perfect for the warmer weather when the engine is typically getting very hot & worked at high loads.
I would never ever run a 2 stroke 100:1. I run Castor 927 40:1 all the way no problems I get many hours out of my bikes right now I'm on 71 hours and counting original top end 2017 YZ 250
Imo the ratio rating given on the bottle is what the oil is capable of performing adequately in an engine specifically designed for that ratio. that being said i dont care what the bottle says if your engine manufacturer says 24:1 then thats what u mix and for several reasons.First dyno test show 2 strokes incease power up to 6:1. Oil seals the rings but most importantly fills the space between cylinder and piston to allow the heat from the piston to transfer properly to the cylinder! Second is jetting. if u are jetted to run at say 24;1 and u go to 80:1 (omg its not an outboard) u have instantly richened yor air/fuel ratio substantially. And made it rich. Yes rich because the carb jet allows so much fluid to flow through it. if its fluid with substantially less oil in it then must be more gas...so its rich> foul plugs... destroy engine. 80 to1 is one drop of oil to 80 drops of fuel if u need a mental picture in your head.. not enough for 10000 rpm. and definately not gonna run better or make more power. Im a journeyman motorcycle mechanic and high performance engine builder with hundreds of engines built that run and perform as they should. Just my two cents. I rebuild worn out engines everyday cause of lack of oil.
Aredde Serkle It all depends on what u mean by overheat. Anythings possible.The engine temp will surely be fine.....but a super lean mixture on a cold day.....oil wont stop a hole punching through a piston. it is possible imo but it would need to prob be an extreme change and set of circumstances. I personally run a highly modified CR500. honda says 40:1. i run around 24:1 and went up one size on my main to compensate(172) keihn 39 pwk from (170). put yor fingers in 20:1 and rub together.....feels oily.....try 80:1....feels alot diferent. Hope this helps.
Hey Jeff. I recently switched from 4 to 2 stroke. Picked up a 2019 Husqvarna TE 150. Got Amsoil Saber oil. You recommend I go with 80.1 or something like 60.1? I’m in Colorado, front range, ride around front range and trails up in the mountains. Thanks.
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.bridgestonemotorcycle.com/documents/oilpremix6.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjJ8rHg2pzlAhUnvlkKHWjnDd0QFjAOegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3_VVFX1nb5KjB_0KMsmzjh I will never understand why people run less than 40:1 I use 30:1 Less oil offers no benefit however more oil has several bennefits.
I just bought a 2021 Gas Gas ec 300 tpi bike. I was wondering if i can use the amsoil saber oil in it and not have issues with the engine or the fuel system?
I recently bought a 2019 ktm 65 and they used motorex at 60:1.. I am 168 lb adult and just want to trail ride this bike and would like to know your recommendation. Saber 80:1 ? Or? Thanks for your time.
I never thought I would say this, but I'm going to try the Amsoil Saber at 80:1 in my 200exc..I'm an old school 32:1 guy, but nowadays I just putt around in the trails.
People should do some research before reducing the oil mix ratio. They have done full tests showing that more oil makes more power. What do u have to gain by running 80-1? You lose power and your motor will wear extremely fast...... They made the most power on 16-1. As they reduced the amount of oil the hp dropped and when they pulled the motor apart the ratios with less oil showed more wear.
+scott T Believe me I've done a ton of research on 2 stroke oils and mix ratios over the years. I do remember on old study that said more oil made more power, it sealed the rings better. But its an older study and with today's powervalves they would be a mess trail riding at 16:1. I ran Castor 927 32:1 for more years then I can remember it was great but made a mess. I look to run a better full synthetic oil at a high ratio, I settled at 60:1 Amsoil Saber, (KTM recommended ratio) but I did run 80:1with no issues or noticeable power differences. Why? I might be old school but I love advancements in oil and motorcycles and pull engines apart for R&R. To me, a good quality oil able to run at a lower oil ratio is just a cleaner burn. My KTM200EXC has run at 80:1, 60:1 Amsoil Saber for almost 100 hrs now and is doing just fine. Remember KTM even recommends 60:1 now so 80:1 doesn't sound so crazy.
Tepco Cycle Repair I have a 2001 kx250 jetted stock, running 32:1. Will i have to rejet if i want to run 60:1 or 50:1????. I want to do more trail riding u know slower pace. But im afraid of guming up my power valves running 32:1. I use lucas semi synthetic 2t oil
GREASElover32 no you shouldn't have to change jetting. You should be keeping a close eye on plug color, throttle response, and smoke density regardless. Anyways man, personally in your case I'd switch to an amsoil brand oil lime saber. Mix it 50 to 1 and just check the plug and watch for smoke. If you insist on using the Lucas, same deal. But go mix it 40 and see how your bike likes it. Your not gonna blow it up at that ratio and will have plenty of time to asses everything. If it likes it, you gain horsepower, the plug isn't white and your still smoking.. Bump it up to 50. Do some research about 2 stroke tuning. Ideally, you want your bike to only smoke a little bit under hard load when its warmed up. At idle or under mild load the bike should not smoke or barely at all. Plug color should be coffee brown and you should have no bogs throughout the throttle range. Whatever brand and mixture achieves that, is where it should be. So dont get caught up in what everyone else is mixing at and what brand they're using. Learn how to tune your engine, and see what it wants because all engines are different. My atc250r recommended 20:1 with the middle clip position for sea level altitude. But was fouling plugs like a maniac, after spending time with it and changing mixture. I found out it really wanted 40:1 with the clip dropped down a notch running Lucas oil. I eventually switched to Dominator at 50:1 and it was seriously like a brand new machine. Full of life for a machine that was 32 years old with I suspect the factory piston.
You say with all the other oils (excluding the castor 927) mix them at the ratio they recommend but yet you mix the Amsoil saber at 80:1 when it clearly says 100:1. I was hoping for some clarification on this. Do you really have to/should mix at the recommended ratio? What am I risking if I don’t?
On the back of the bottle it says an 80:1 ratio also. It's marketed to be mixed UP TO 100:1 as I understand it. Many oils that I've come across list a range of different mixtures on their bottle, i.e., 32:1-50:1.
I ordered some Saber from you about a week ago and have yet to try it but I was wondering why they state that it's ideal for smaller 2 cycle engines? Why don't they market it as an awesome oil for use in bigger 2T dirt bikes engines? I know you can't speak for amsoil's marketing department, but I just figured I'd ask your opinion.
i am coming from running amsoil dominator at 60:1 and ithe bike is jetted for that. Now i would like to try the amsoil saber at 80 or 90:1, would i need to rejet the bike for this?
I heard that castor 927 separates and never really integrates back into the gas completely, and you are suppose to mix what you think you are gonna use that same day then drain your bike. is this true?
Sam, that is mostly true. It separates if used or stored in cold temps and will not re-integrate. I would also only mix what you plan to use over a 2 month period unless you use a steel container.
Besides saving some money, is there any benefit of an 80:1 mixture? More oil means more power and less engine wear from everything I've read. One thing you forgot to mention is what the oil was designed for; high rpm, heavy loads or low rpm trail riding. They are designed to burn correctly at different temperatures. For example: Motul 800 being a high RPM MX oil and 710 for low rpm trail riding. Using 800 for trail riding will leave more deposites on the powervalve. One that you should test is Legend. It has the lubrication properties and cleanliness of synthetics without glazing the cylinder like synthetics (because it is not a synthetic).
Actually for clarification, more oil means less power (though probably not noticeable between 40:1 and 80:1 mix ratios). Oil doesn't burn as well as gas is the reason. It's kind of intuitive because its one of the reasons that 2 strokes don't make twice as much hp as same cc 4 strokes, because the 2 strokes power stroke isn't as powerful as a 4 strokes power stroke because the 4 stroke burns all gas, while the 2 stroke burns a mix of gas and oil (though the 2 stroke fires twice as often which is why it makes more power). Run on sentences i know...just didn't really care.
lmullins3193 False. All studies have shown more oil means more power. More oil improves lubrication (less friction) and better ring seal (less blow by). The best power production has been shown to be around 20:1 oil ratio.
lmullins3193 If you have a link to a research study that shows more power on less oil then send it. Until then, the only studies I have read show more oil makes more power. I think your thought process is right, and that was mine, but the studies I could find didn't support it. If you have a reference, I'd love to read it.
TheOfficialKC I mean that's my point, I don't think anyone has done any recent testing with the modern oils, so my theory is all i have to go on. Compression makes power for sure, but i've raced my honda 250x with the right intake zeroed (my guess was that it was hanging open), and there was no difference in power (though extremely hard to start). Based on that fact I would personally prioritize a better combustion over a slight loss in compression.
lmullins3193 the kart guys are still running motul and maxima at 16-1 maybe up to 25-1. Up to 20k rpm. They get best protection AND performance from these ratios. KTM etc don't care about maximum power. They care about power/reliability/serviability/economy all rolled into one, ie. one big compromise. Go to the top race bike engine builders and ask what they run for max power?
Jeff why do so many others bash the saber ? At a 80:1 ratio? Have you seen and issues? Any suggestions on brand or ratio for a 17 TE300 doing pretty slow technical stuff.
Slavens, I got off the phone with a tech over at maxima, they did confirm that if the oil separates after being lowered past 40 F and the temperature raises above that, it will mix on its own. They also informed me of any gas with a lower specific gravity of less than .70 (? Number needs to be verified) will cause separation.
@@slaverace1 I'm a 71 year old senior rider now Jeff, but in my younger days I used Klotz in my 73 Suzuki TM 250 motocrosser. I have a long history with Klotz.
Jeff, what’s your thoughts on running Amsoil Interceptor in the Husky 250i? It says on bottle that it can be used in injection systems.. but do you know if the viscosity is fine for the 250i? You feel it’s as good or better than Motorex quality?
I currently ride a Tpi and Saber is too thick for the oil injection so I use Amsoil Dominator. I’m getting a 300XC TBI later this week and I will use Saber in it.
Any idea why I keep fouling the plug on my CR85, I ran previously ran Castor 927 and I don't think it fouled the plug as much. Then I switched to cheap oil synthetic 2 Stroke AutoZone oil. Can this be responsible for the fouling of the plug or is it my jetting.
The castor oil smells soooo good tho
Used 927 in my sons ktm125sx never had any problems with carbon on power valve or piston run at40/1 but he rides the bike in the power band like 2 stroke race bikes should be that way they stay nice and clean
The only oil I run is Castor 927. Very good oil no issues
Klotz R50 pre mix in all bikes and sleds I’ve ever owned for the last 2 decades. Engine internals look and wear amazing after tear down.
I'm a believer in the castor. We had no complaints with my dad's H1 street bike, until he switched to Blendzall and all of the "normal" air-cooled bike noises completely went away and vibration was reduced to V12 BMW levels. That was very impressive. There was also a noticeable decrease in cylinder and head temps after switching to the Blendzall, which is a pretty mediocre castor as far as those go. All my bikes are air-cooled and non-powervalve. The extra goo and mess means almost nothing in my application, but the absolutely unparalleled lubrication under extreme heat and load gives me a lot of confidence when I'm reaching for the top of 6th on a hot day. Plus it smells like performance.
Which, as he said, has nothing to do with TRAIL RIDING a 2t dirt bike...
@@jonathondavis170 Well I do both kinds of riding, usually in the same day. But even if I did exclusively ride 1st gear goat trails, castor is also great for the bottom end because it's so viscous. But my dirt bikes do run hotter than modern ones and have nothing to gum up, so it's an easier case for me than for others.
The Golden Spectro oil always worked great back in the day.
I ran it in my 1985 kdx 200 with no problems.
My Blendzall separated this past winter, but it sank to the bottom of my tank, took 1 hour to finally have gas coming thru carb drain. Great video and info. Thanks
I have ran Castor 927 at 32:1 in my trail riden yx125x for 50 plus hours and at temps down to 28 degrees in the snow with zero issues. And i love the smell and smoke. If it dont smoke it aint a 2 stroke.
i use klotz castor oil in my 99 cr250r at 30:1 on 98 octane never a problem had the engine apart after 6 years of every day riding and the piston and head were clean! no carbon at all
Klotz is the best !!
I use Motorex at 40:1 in my 91 cr 125! Best oil for me, smells good and run good to
For the past few years I've been wondering what oil didn't mix or was incompatible with other types. Thanks for posting! I always pour a little bit of each different oil in the cap of the oil bottle to see if they mix together okay. So far I've not run across any that don't but I'e never run a "bean" type oil. Great info!
I've been using spectro sx platinum at 32:1 for almost ten years in my 2000 rm 250 protects very well and burns clean everything always looks good on rebuilds
Why are you rebuilding your engines if your oil is good.
@@handheldgarage3297 2 stroke, even a 300 ktm, needs a top end every 150-200hrs or so of normal play riding. If your racing or it's a real high compression motocross engine it's more like every 100 hrs.
Castor is made from CASTOR BEANS not Soy beans.....For an old school air cooled non-powervalve motor you can't beat Castor based oils.....for racing......Castor will increase maintenance BUT, Castor will also give best protection and power of all the 2 stroke oils.
If you review the comments you will see that I corrected that years ago.
If I was racing an air-cooled engine on a flat track, where your hard on the throttle most of the time I would use a Castor oil.
Ran 927 in my 300 EXC for years. Trail riding. No problems. Smells like sex too. And I mean that in a good way.
Thanks Jeff. As always, very informative.
Wondering why you don’t have red line in this line up, Jeff....
Ran 800 in my '15 KTM300 sixdays Spooged everywhere..then switched to 927 loved it! very little spooge great smell..until I replaced the piston at 89 hours Power valve was destroyed with carbon and the rings were stuck in the lands, Da Fuc! No other wear.Better oil for non power valve engines and or high revers. Now going to use Saber at 80:1 as per Big Jeffs reco.
927 is only good if your on the pipe 24/7 and the motor is super hot all the time like running mx or sx, would never use it for trail riding.
Have heard all the same stuff about Castor 927, I call BS, it is a castor ester blend. have been using it for years and have never ever seen it separate in fuel, or leave any kind of build up. maybe the older types before it was highly refined or mixed with a petroleum base but not the new stuff. I wouldn't run straight BeNol except in very high RPM situations but this stuff here is fine. I just did a Top End rebuild on a 2009 yz250 that has only ever had Castor 927, looked brand new with over 100 hours. use good fuel and half your problems vanish.
Castor 927 is all ive used and my engines always look like they are well oiled but I want to start winter riding and am afraid the cold days it will separate so ive been trying to find a close oil that doesn't have that potential issue even though you said it doesn't happen
@@farquadmantis8486 when it gets cold, I won't mix a 5 gal can and let it sit, but I still have never heard any problems. just shake it up and all is well. I have been riding 2 strokes for 30 years, have never had any issues. If you are still worried, grab some Klotz super techniplate. that has a lower smoke point and mixes very well.
No horse in this race, but Amsoil no longer recommends Saber for two stroke motorcycle engines. Only for small two strokes like chain saws or trimmers.
source please
queenofspadz : Amsoil
Definitely going to try the amsoil better for the environment and bike
Had a few problem with castor 927 and wont use it again but it sure does smell good.
it's pretty expensive here in new Zealand $34 for the motorex cross power
you forget motul
Sad they don't sell golden spectro anymore at local ktm dealer
What are you recommending for the new TPI bikes? Thanks.
Motorex
How will the saber work in a yz125. Does it burn really clean?
i run maxima 927 in my lead blower, so far it loves it
great choice im using the same thing maxima k2 fukin awesome and i use 2 oz to 1 gallon! plug color is dead nuts perfect cocoa brown.
what could I use for a kawasaki kx60
Motorex is the best, only thing ive used in ktm 125 for 20 years never had a problem.
What would you, fellas, recommend for a Suzuki ax100? I currently run it with Yamalube semisynthetic. Also, with Yamalube, what ratio should I be mixing? I do a 300ml of oil per 12 liters of gas
AMSOIL SABER smells good too
I was going to try Klotz R50 but it was a cold fall day about 35 degrees when I put gas into the can. The oil sank straight to the bottom. Was worried about it separating in my gas tank where I couldn't monitor it. Said no thanks, never used the gas and went back to Amsoil Dominator. Think I will give the Saber a shot.
R50 doesn't separate mate.
R50 is SAE50, so it's technically undesirable under 40⁰F as a rule due to unique properties of SAE50 being unable to have a W designation for "winter" operation due to their excessive viscosity at colder temperatures. If you're running under 40⁰F consistently, a switch to the Klonz snowmobile oil at the manufacturer recommended premix amount for the winter season would provide you with optimal lubrication and better protection than R50 in those conditions. R50 is perfect for the warmer weather when the engine is typically getting very hot & worked at high loads.
I would never ever run a 2 stroke 100:1. I run Castor 927 40:1 all the way no problems I get many hours out of my bikes right now I'm on 71 hours and counting original top end 2017 YZ 250
Do most of the oils contain rust inhibitors for riding in colder climates?
if theres different ratios what happens when its not pre mixed and has a seperate tank, has anyone tried veg oil instead?
Ran Saber in USA, now I live in Thailand and it is NOT available!😣
I run amsoil saber at 40:1, no problems at all!
Saber is very concentrated and 40:1 is a very heavy mix.
16 husky TE 300 re-jetted w/a 168 and stock pilot 35, if I run saber 80:1 will I be ok?
Imo the ratio rating given on the bottle is what the oil is capable of performing adequately in an engine specifically designed for that ratio. that being said i dont care what the bottle says if your engine manufacturer says 24:1 then thats what u mix and for several reasons.First dyno test show 2 strokes incease power up to 6:1. Oil seals the rings but most importantly fills the space between cylinder and piston to allow the heat from the piston to transfer properly to the cylinder! Second is jetting. if u are jetted to run at say 24;1 and u go to 80:1 (omg its not an outboard) u have instantly richened yor air/fuel ratio substantially. And made it rich. Yes rich because the carb jet allows so much fluid to flow through it. if its fluid with substantially less oil in it then must be more gas...so its rich> foul plugs... destroy engine. 80 to1 is one drop of oil to 80 drops of fuel if u need a mental picture in your head.. not enough for 10000 rpm. and definately not gonna run better or make more power. Im a journeyman motorcycle mechanic and high performance engine builder with hundreds of engines built that run and perform as they should. Just my two cents. I rebuild worn out engines everyday cause of lack of oil.
So, if you have too much oil, then would the mixture be lean? Will it cause the engine to over heat at high RPM?
Aredde Serkle It all depends on what u mean by overheat. Anythings possible.The engine temp will surely be fine.....but a super lean mixture on a cold day.....oil wont stop a hole punching through a piston. it is possible imo but it would need to prob be an extreme change and set of circumstances. I personally run a highly modified CR500. honda says 40:1. i run around 24:1 and went up one size on my main to compensate(172) keihn 39 pwk from (170). put yor fingers in 20:1 and rub together.....feels oily.....try 80:1....feels alot diferent. Hope this helps.
climbhigherperforman So my answer to your first question is yes. Too much oil=lean
Great answers! Thank you.
Agree totally! Can't believe people would run 80-1. It's just not enough oil to keep a pool of oil in the bottom end
Hey Jeff. I recently switched from 4 to 2 stroke. Picked up a 2019 Husqvarna TE 150. Got Amsoil Saber oil. You recommend I go with 80.1 or something like 60.1? I’m in Colorado, front range, ride around front range and trails up in the mountains. Thanks.
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I will never understand why people run less than 40:1 I use 30:1 Less oil offers no benefit however more oil has several bennefits.
How do you feel about motul?
I just bought a 2021 Gas Gas ec 300 tpi bike. I was wondering if i can use the amsoil saber oil in it and not have issues with the engine or the fuel system?
Hello:
Saber is not designed for oil injection systems. You should use Amsoil Dominator.
Any reason you run the Amsoil saber instead of the Amsoil Dominator 2-stroke oil?
motard_seb no reason actually people only run saber because it’s easy to mix
I think Amsoil Interceptor is better than the other two in most cases for recreational riding.
I recently bought a 2019 ktm 65 and they used motorex at 60:1.. I am 168 lb adult and just want to trail ride this bike and would like to know your recommendation. Saber 80:1 ? Or? Thanks for your time.
Hello: Motorex slavensracing.com/shop/cross-power-2t-by-motorex/ is intended to be mixed at 60:1 and is a good option for your bike.
With all these new bikes becoming TPI what is the best oil to run the TPI bike where it mixes it for you?
Maxima K2 injector or Klotz Techniplate, the front of the bottle will say injection or pre mix.
I never thought I would say this, but I'm going to try the Amsoil Saber at 80:1 in my 200exc..I'm an old school 32:1 guy, but nowadays I just putt around in the trails.
People should do some research before reducing the oil mix ratio. They have done full tests showing that more oil makes more power. What do u have to gain by running 80-1? You lose power and your motor will wear extremely fast...... They made the most power on 16-1. As they reduced the amount of oil the hp dropped and when they pulled the motor apart the ratios with less oil showed more wear.
+scott T Believe me I've done a ton of research on 2 stroke oils and mix ratios over the years. I do remember on old study that said more oil made more power, it sealed the rings better. But its an older study and with today's powervalves they would be a mess trail riding at 16:1. I ran Castor 927 32:1 for more years then I can remember it was great but made a mess. I look to run a better full synthetic oil at a high ratio, I settled at 60:1 Amsoil Saber, (KTM recommended ratio) but I did run 80:1with no issues or noticeable power differences. Why? I might be old school but I love advancements in oil and motorcycles and pull engines apart for R&R. To me, a good quality oil able to run at a lower oil ratio is just a cleaner burn. My KTM200EXC has run at 80:1, 60:1 Amsoil Saber for almost 100 hrs now and is doing just fine. Remember KTM even recommends 60:1 now so 80:1 doesn't sound so crazy.
sir what about if my bike has oil injected?(BETA300)(YAMAHA DT 125) WHAT IS THE MIX RATIOS?
WHAT OIL CAN YOU RECOMMEND ME?
Tepco Cycle Repair I have a 2001 kx250 jetted stock, running 32:1. Will i have to rejet if i want to run 60:1 or 50:1????. I want to do more trail riding u know slower pace. But im afraid of guming up my power valves running 32:1. I use lucas semi synthetic 2t oil
GREASElover32 no you shouldn't have to change jetting.
You should be keeping a close eye on plug color, throttle response, and smoke density regardless.
Anyways man, personally in your case I'd switch to an amsoil brand oil lime saber. Mix it 50 to 1 and just check the plug and watch for smoke.
If you insist on using the Lucas, same deal.
But go mix it 40 and see how your bike likes it. Your not gonna blow it up at that ratio and will have plenty of time to asses everything.
If it likes it, you gain horsepower, the plug isn't white and your still smoking..
Bump it up to 50.
Do some research about 2 stroke tuning.
Ideally, you want your bike to only smoke a little bit under hard load when its warmed up.
At idle or under mild load the bike should not smoke or barely at all.
Plug color should be coffee brown and you should have no bogs throughout the throttle range.
Whatever brand and mixture achieves that, is where it should be.
So dont get caught up in what everyone else is mixing at and what brand they're using.
Learn how to tune your engine, and see what it wants because all engines are different.
My atc250r recommended 20:1 with the middle clip position for sea level altitude.
But was fouling plugs like a maniac, after spending time with it and changing mixture. I found out it really wanted 40:1 with the clip dropped down a notch running Lucas oil.
I eventually switched to Dominator at 50:1 and it was seriously like a brand new machine. Full of life for a machine that was 32 years old with I suspect the factory piston.
Hey What’s is the difference between the Castor 927 & super M? Tia
927 is Castor based, ester fortified. Super M is a semi-synthetic base, ester fortified.
Appreciate it
Doesnt Maxima make other 2 stroke oils?
Yes,some of my friends run Super-M
Separates at 35? It gets colder than that in ga.... I'll pass on that brand
Which oil you should use for breaking for 2-stroke?
Motorex man!
What about motul 800?
Would you recommend the Amsoil injector oil specific for bikes with oil injection? (Beta 300).
yes
What will work in my yz 125
You say with all the other oils (excluding the castor 927) mix them at the ratio they recommend but yet you mix the Amsoil saber at 80:1 when it clearly says 100:1. I was hoping for some clarification on this. Do you really have to/should mix at the recommended ratio? What am I risking if I don’t?
On the back of the bottle it says an 80:1 ratio also. It's marketed to be mixed UP TO 100:1 as I understand it. Many oils that I've come across list a range of different mixtures on their bottle, i.e., 32:1-50:1.
I ordered some Saber from you about a week ago and have yet to try it but I was wondering why they state that it's ideal for smaller 2 cycle engines? Why don't they market it as an awesome oil for use in bigger 2T dirt bikes engines? I know you can't speak for amsoil's marketing department, but I just figured I'd ask your opinion.
On the back of the bottle is says "motorcycle engines".
It's doesn't say motorcycle on the back if so can u show it ??? Thank u big fan
stupid question but ive had 2 stroke oil never opened sitting in my truck in the cold can it go bad?
Probably not in your lifetime.
i am coming from running amsoil dominator at 60:1 and ithe bike is jetted for that. Now i would like to try the amsoil saber at 80 or 90:1, would i need to rejet the bike for this?
No
I heard that castor 927 separates and never really integrates back into the gas completely, and you are suppose to mix what you think you are gonna use that same day then drain your bike. is this true?
Sam, that is mostly true. It separates if used or stored in cold temps and will not re-integrate. I would also only mix what you plan to use over a 2 month period unless you use a steel container.
@@slaverace1 Okay, thank you for the response.
Klotz 113 with blendzall
Besides saving some money, is there any benefit of an 80:1 mixture? More oil means more power and less engine wear from everything I've read.
One thing you forgot to mention is what the oil was designed for; high rpm, heavy loads or low rpm trail riding. They are designed to burn correctly at different temperatures. For example: Motul 800 being a high RPM MX oil and 710 for low rpm trail riding. Using 800 for trail riding will leave more deposites on the powervalve.
One that you should test is Legend. It has the lubrication properties and cleanliness of synthetics without glazing the cylinder like synthetics (because it is not a synthetic).
Actually for clarification, more oil means less power (though probably not noticeable between 40:1 and 80:1 mix ratios). Oil doesn't burn as well as gas is the reason. It's kind of intuitive because its one of the reasons that 2 strokes don't make twice as much hp as same cc 4 strokes, because the 2 strokes power stroke isn't as powerful as a 4 strokes power stroke because the 4 stroke burns all gas, while the 2 stroke burns a mix of gas and oil (though the 2 stroke fires twice as often which is why it makes more power). Run on sentences i know...just didn't really care.
lmullins3193 False. All studies have shown more oil means more power. More oil improves lubrication (less friction) and better ring seal (less blow by). The best power production has been shown to be around 20:1 oil ratio.
lmullins3193 If you have a link to a research study that shows more power on less oil then send it. Until then, the only studies I have read show more oil makes more power. I think your thought process is right, and that was mine, but the studies I could find didn't support it. If you have a reference, I'd love to read it.
TheOfficialKC I mean that's my point, I don't think anyone has done any recent testing with the modern oils, so my theory is all i have to go on. Compression makes power for sure, but i've raced my honda 250x with the right intake zeroed (my guess was that it was hanging open), and there was no difference in power (though extremely hard to start). Based on that fact I would personally prioritize a better combustion over a slight loss in compression.
lmullins3193 the kart guys are still running motul and maxima at 16-1 maybe up to 25-1. Up to 20k rpm. They get best protection AND performance from these ratios. KTM etc don't care about maximum power. They care about power/reliability/serviability/economy all rolled into one, ie. one big compromise.
Go to the top race bike engine builders and ask what they run for max power?
Still using the same oil and ratio?
Hello:
This is a very old video. I currently use Amsoil Saber at 100:1 premix in my 2024 KTM 300XCW with the oil injection removed.
@@slaverace1 wow that is great 👍. Thank you for replying 🙂. I am currently using this oil 80:1. And feels great and crisp. Will try the 100:1. 👊💯
I am switching from Amsoil Dominator to Amsoil Saber. Do I need to drain the gas tank completely before filling with the new 2 stroke premix?
No
Thanks!
Do you do any yz250 mods or stuff i want to know about. I noticed the pictures on the wall.
In the past I did the factory Yamaha offroad team but they no longer use 2 strokes.
Jeff why do so many others bash the saber ? At a 80:1 ratio? Have you seen and issues? Any suggestions on brand or ratio for a 17 TE300 doing pretty slow technical stuff.
Bashing is ignorance. Been using it for years and it works excellent. I run it at 90:1.
Thanks! I’ll have to call in and order some.
No motul love? I like it. Runs better than yamalube
Agreed
hi do you know what auto parts store sell maxima castor 927? thanks
Romulo Bello your local motorcycle dealer should sell it. if not you can order it on motorsport
Jeff, if the 927 separates can it be mixed back into the fuel when the temp raises to say 40F?
No.
Slavens, I got off the phone with a tech over at maxima, they did confirm that if the oil separates after being lowered past 40 F and the temperature raises above that, it will mix on its own.
They also informed me of any gas with a lower specific gravity of less than .70 (? Number needs to be verified) will cause separation.
What would you recommend for the transmission that has a recluse on a 2015 TE300?
Maxima MTF or Silkolene Transoil Expert
+Jeff Slavens thank you
Castor oil doesn't come from soy beans brother. Castor oil comes from the seed of a castor oil plant.
Yes, I know that and made the correction years ago in the comments.
Oh ok sorry
Jeff. Do you have any take on Klotz 2 stroke oil? My riding group is big on using Klotz.
Carl
I've never tried Klotz but it has been around for a long time and has a lot of fans. I assume it is a good product.
I run 40:1 klotz super technoplate with 100 low lead aviation fuel, no spuge out of the silencer with little smoke
@@slaverace1 I'm a 71 year old senior rider now Jeff, but in my younger days I used Klotz in my 73 Suzuki TM 250 motocrosser. I have a long history with Klotz.
What about Redline synthetic
Haven't tried it.
Jeff, what’s your thoughts on running Amsoil Interceptor in the Husky 250i? It says on bottle that it can be used in injection systems.. but do you know if the viscosity is fine for the 250i? You feel it’s as good or better than Motorex quality?
I've been using Amsoil Interceptor in my TPIs for 2 years and the pistons look great.
I just want something that smells awesome. Like VP t2 smells awesome! But it's stupid pricey.
maxima k2 awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
love k2 also run it 32:1 on my yz125 love it i also have a bottle klotz r50 I never used yet I'll see how my bike likes it
Amsoil is my main
Can I still run the amsoil saber at 32:1?
Saber is VERY concentrated, designed for 100:1. If you want your muffler and powervalves filled with goo, 32:1 will do it.
Saber isn’t recommended for bikes at all so there’s no sense in running it at any ratio.
Jeff, are still running Saber at 80:1 these days?
I currently ride a Tpi and Saber is too thick for the oil injection so I use Amsoil Dominator.
I’m getting a 300XC TBI later this week and I will use Saber in it.
@@slaverace1 Thanks. Look forward to seeing what you do with the new TBI bike
@@slaverace1 Thanks. Look forward to seeing what you do with the new TBI bike
Castor 927 will separate IN your bike,ask me how I know !
How do you know? Did u you blow your engine?
@@emmanuelhud1 oil separated and wound up in the carb,bike didn't start
where can I get the AmsOil saber
Slavensracing.com
Thank you
Any idea why I keep fouling the plug on my CR85, I ran previously ran Castor 927 and I don't think it fouled the plug as much. Then I switched to cheap oil synthetic 2 Stroke AutoZone oil. Can this be responsible for the fouling of the plug or is it my jetting.
your jetting once again start with 32:1 and change main needle pilot jets accordingly.
Jetting all day
Motul 800 ?
Absolutely! Ran this oil in my KTM 380 and it was flawless!. Clean, no deposits, ran it 50:1.
I use motul 2t
That is good oil.
I just run the cheapest boat oil in my Ktm so 125 2005 at 50:1 took the top end apart it was spotless lol 0. Carbon
Boat oil is very clean but has the least resistance to wear and high heat.
castor oil does not come from soybeans!
You are correct. Somewhere in the below text I corrected that a long time ago.
Very good info
The ams is for lawn equipment, why are y’all running it in your bikes
It works very well. Been using it for many years.
Jeff Slavens oh, I’ve seen people like say it’s good then bad so I thought it was 50/50. Also ordered a part from y’all
Castor oil comes from castor beans, not soy beans
Agreed, read the comments.You are late to the party.
Have you used Sabre in the tpi 300s?
No. Saber is too concentrated for injectors. I use Dominator.