The issue cannot be solved without addressing the root cause - Men find modern women to be so unpleasant that they do not even want to say hi. It's not an issue of people not being out and about, the issue is that men are NOT interested overall. Women need to be feminine and not act aggressive and rude.
I'm one of those guys who always thought finding love was like in the movies. This generation of women are like actresses in 🌽 movies rather than rom coms. Sure I have hookups but I haven't found a woman worth spending my life with. They don't have loyalty anymore
Hey let these dry mamas talk about something out of their reach. Remember Mirka had a very open affair with her cohost and married him so you know she is down for work hookups.
Right? They should have done a panel with 4 young men and 4 young women and asked them about it. 4 middle aged women whose childhood and teenage years are nothing like Gen Z’s, discussing this issue is so out of touch lol.
@@eastwoodccj I was about to say this. Many people found their spouses at work in the past. Or at the very least, a colleague in their industry. But men especially today have learned to be VERY careful with any romantic connections at work. Men don't want to be accused of anything.
The only distinction between this and every other part of reality is that here the women have cameras on them. Every gathering of women from time immemorial features a discussion of what's wrong with men and how women have nothing to do with it.
Have you seen so many male podcasts telling women what they should do to fix society dating problems in society. I personally think it's good thing. A lot of people need to work on themselves first before getting into a relationship.
Young people aren't going out because it's so apocalyptically expensive just to survive that doing literally anything extra isn't worth the financial burden. People aren't hustling because we've become aware that there's no reward at the end of the struggle anywhere. Success isn't mobile in a world where established mega corporations control everything from industry to the Supreme Court.
You can ask someone to meet you for a cup of coffee & take a walk in the park. Or seeing a free summer concert in the park, or, or, or...Try stepping out of your box & becoming a bit more creative! My parents didn't have any money when they met either, over 60 yrs ago. They met at a dance hall that maybe cost them a drink. Rent some bikes & get some ice cream. Rent a paddle boat & spend a couple hours on a beautiful lake & make some sandwiches to share. Come on now!!!
Yeah. The parks that don't exist because they're apartments or factories now. The concerts that are never free anymore. Those other activities cost money. Having no money 60 years ago means nothing. Even $1 60 years ago is equal to more than $10 now. Rent costs more than a house payment back then. Either you're delusional but well meaning or a bot. Stop blaming these kids for problems you created.
@@CptOmega2 Where do you live? No parks?? No nature? I mean - yes, things cost more today, especially rent and housing, but it is NOT true that you can't go outside and physically meet people. There are ways. If nothing else, you can go for a walk in the street - it costs nothing. I think it is also a mindset thing....I was at a free concert in the park last Saturday. No celebrity, but still nice.
@@coldwinter5710point me to that girl that would be happy with sharing a home made sandwich at a park and I'll find her a place in a museum...you clearly have no clue what's 2024 like, this is not the 60s
@@SnookisInfant-gt8xu by "no one is telling them they don't engaging in dating", you mean women or men? And who's just guessing women in general or THESE women?
It is in the US. Validation is what women seek and they get it from each other. Imagine being a husband to any of those women. Imagine the amount of manipulation you’d go through throughout a single day, every day …. Imagine not being able to be you or being able to share your true opinions and feelings with your wife out of fear of being shamed. That’s what the young men see with today’s women. They saw how their mom treats their dad. They see how he’s become soulless and only purpose to chase his wife’s approval and happiness.
@@Monkofthecaribbean thats fake news. more like things in the economy like expenses are and housing out of control and men have no one to talk to that have been through anything. thats why i talk to my sons
Have you met the women on these apps? Men would rather not deal with the train wrecks... 90% of divorces are initiated by women. Women want an easy life. Men just want a responsible companion.
@@paulaw418 I am a man attracted to "factory original" women only. When I used dating apps, no men appeared before my eyes (occasionally, some trans women did). Speaking only from my experience, it was not possible for me to see the men, because I wasn't looking for them. Please tell, how are the men on dating apps?
Single male professional in the finance industry speaking here - I have an iron clad policy against dating any woman in the workplace. I have had women show interest in me in the workplace and I flat out said no even though they were attractive. I am not going to risk my financial life and my personal reputation like that. That is the reality today. I would prefer not to have my life destroyed if a romance doesn’t work out, thank you very much.
Married man, in finance, making 250k a year, 2 kids, big house, etc. This man speaks the truth. I will teach both my boys that any women in the workplace is NOT to be dated or even looked at as a possible date. Also, be VERY careful what you say around women and if you can avoid being alone with them, try. Sorry but once society changed from "innocent until proven guilty" to "believe all women" and cancel culture...you have to live by this creed. Women, try to put yourself in our shoes. Would you risk everything you've built your whole life?
@@Michael-u3y3hThank you. This is the modern reality. I am divorced 5 years, have three teen kids, big house, 6 figure income. You are out of your mind if you think I will risk everything for a date with a hottie from work. I have projects to do that weekend. See ya at the next staff meeting.
This is all well and good. Great for you to know what works best for you. However, this is why MANY employers have policies that forbid you to date fellow employees. The consequences are much too great, on many levels, for the organization as a whole. So in this sense, this is hardly some kind of revelation.
It is FAR more complicated than this, and this did not address the guys' perspectives about their experiences trying to date women. The guys would argue that (among other things) they are tired of the constant rejection of 95% of women who will only consider dating the top 5% of men, and they've given up, thus isolating themselves.
All these 4 women move around in circles of the most powerful and richest men in government and entertainment in the US. Having them discuss why dating sucks for the average person is like having 4 princesses sitting in their castle, discussing why the local peasantry smells so much
A girl says “it’s Friday.” I say “well happy Friday then ”and go on my way. I don’t care how many signals or hints I get anymore. If women want to go out, they can ask.
It's actually women who are done. They only wanted men in the first place because they had hope that men would learn how to communicate, love, and be kinder. It didn't happen so what's even the point.
@@anarcho-communist11that sounds just as cynical as the red pill movement of men, but for women… OP has a point, but young men are young, broke, and lonely because the price to live is through the roof. People meet each other by having hobbies they can go out to do in groups. Go to a pottery class, an astronomy group, some kind of hobby outside of the house. But the price of groceries and rent and everything in general is so expensive, that a lot of people just can’t afford to do any of it.
@@AndrewH1994 Oh, but a bunch of incels have enough money to have a very costly hobby: It's called video games. They have money to buy all the games and expensive consoles and computers to play in front of a TV all day.
I'm 41. My dating range is 28-35, since I'm still looking to have kids. Just about every single woman I've met through an app has either stated that they're a "Leftist" and do not want children or a family, or they're deep into their careers and still expect to find someone who is of a higher status. Men have been slacking, but Women's expectations need to recalibrate to the new world we live in. The pool of high-value men that are making more money than them, and physically appealing, is VERY small. None of those guys are looking for a CEO wife, either.
I’m 38 and dating a 22 year old in PH. I fly out 3-4 times a year to see her will most likely marry her next year if she signs the prenup. There is a whole video why you should not date women over 25. Simple fact is if a women went through high school and college and could not find one single guy, she is statistically a bad bet. By the time she went through high school and college the average “American women” has been on a 100+ dates, 10+ situationship, 2-3+ relationships. So your going to come along and think your going to sweep her off her feet?
This panel was just horrible. Sorry but none of them are in the age range of affected by this. They are older and have all been or are currently married. Wrong demographic! Our phones are sorta paid for but going out is too expensive. People are struggling to pay student loans and really high rent. So we are working more and too broke to go out and socialize. Using your cell doesn’t cost extra.
You are completely misunderstanding the panel. It's not about them & their ages! They are experts studying data & feedback & sharing what they know. Stop with the agism as well & start listening to some wisdom the older generations have to offer. 🤦
I worked my fingers to the bone in my 20's and got literally NOWHERE for it. The second I started to crawl my way up another peg on the ladder by starting my own business, they shut the entire world down and made it impossible to continue operating. I realized in 2020 that the system was always rigged in favor of the rich, and that's the way it always has been. My only regret was not realizing it sooner. I have no one to thank but my God for saving me from the mouth of the Beast. I could have spent my whole life on that hamster wheel had it not been for Covid disrupting the world.
They try and make it seem like women are good catches and men are bad. They need some diversity and expanded perspective on that panel. There are tons of men looking for relationships, but many women only want guys who are tall, have a high paying job, are in good shape, funny, sweet, etc. etc. Women need to come back to reality, and work on themselves as well, especially in the healthy weight category
Young men aren't learning social skills. I was always broke in college; but lots of women liked going out with me. How is price in that equation? It isn't. Far too many young men only want magical pick up lines just to find a girl who is DTF. They don't want dates. They want BJs.
@@selenasimmons6653yet you voted for Biden that caused it. How much money went to Ukraine that could be spent on America. How much are illegals getting in ebt cards that could go to help Americans?
$30?! Two cones where I live is much less than that! People have lost all creativity! Maybe it's more about the generation that wants everything handed to them on a silver platter. That don't think they should have to put in hard work to get ahead. That think sitting with your head in your phone all day watching other people's lives is going to get you someplace. Just a thought...
Men are fed up with drama. Women never ask what they are bringing to the table because they view themselves as the prize, and if the man pass all of their tests he wins, or does he? Because, to be perfectly honest the testing never ends.
Wow, 4 married middle aged women commenting on the dating scene for young people. Yet its people like this that are in power and make policies that have reordered society in a way that makes dating, marrying and having children extremely expensive, some that a lot of young people can't afford.
Yeah, I heard that and laughed. There's all sorts of ways that number could be "true" without reflecting Reality at all! My sister works in a nursing home, and says that in the 80+ range they have four women for every man - well, yeah, they are from an era when women married men 3-6 years older than them, so most of their "eligible" men are dead.
it's not totally wrong, just incomplete. There are ten women competing for the same man, while ignoring the nine other men. There are a small number of "highly desirable" men who get all their attention. I think dating is hard for women too, but I would venture that very few of them have ever been ignored on the apps to the extent that most men have.
Men don’t want to risk jail and being dragged through the divorce courts. Women most affected. Come on guys. Why don’t you want to risk everything on something with a 56% failure rate.
Funny how it only becomes a problem when women are affected by it. What's even more awesome is that women are wondering what's going on with men on dating apps. They still don't understand that they're all dating the same 20% of men.
Correction: the vvomen are using these apps to meet the handsome chads who don't want them back... after rejecting all the good guys who would appreciate them
Oh yea women are so unrealistic. No high value man wants a problematic women. We men want mature women, not immature little girls who are gonna hold us back
I'm 39 and never even started. I'm much happier than my brother, who had his first child at 18 and killed himself in his 20s after his marriage fell apart.
Long-term economic trends certainly are a very significant part of it, but it's not at all exclusively the case. There are a lot of warped, atomized, and lonely people out there that are dominated by these simulated activities in this long march down the neoliberal abyss.
its the economy stu...pid , when you are trying to understand nobody seems to understand generally start to follow the money and/or the economy generally speaking you start to get really explanation when you go that road. I would already have a lady and a family if salaries were better and cost of living and home ownership not so crazy. whats the. point of dating if you cant build with a lady?
A girl said “it’s Friday “. I say, well happy Friday then and go on my way. Tired of all the hints and signals. If a woman is interested, she can ask now days.
Heaven forbid we raise wages so young people could actually afford their own places to live and have the money to go out and pursue their interests. Bet the well to do aren't having a problem going out and finding someone.
Also, stop pushing the return to office. Working from home actually leaves me with energy to go out after work. I have nothing left physically or mentally after I have wasted 3 hours commuting plus the 9 hours in the middle that the office sucks out of my day.
Every time the government raises wages the cost of everything goes up too. It is a never-ending cycle, then there is the fact that our workforce is constantly growing artificially from immigration which keeps wages from increasing naturally due to demand for workers. The fact is if America does not start focusing on us instead of trying to control the world than it is just a matter of time until we collapse. Bring ALL our military home and stop ALL foreign aid would reduce government spending by more than half, which would reverse some of the inflation, but they will not do that.
Thank Republicans for the no higher wages. Biden wanted to pass that into law but Mitch McConnell and his buddies Voted against that. I will never understand why people voted for Republicans. who actively oppose anything to help the average American citizen. Not part of the one percent.
Young people today have to go through the same struggles every other generation of young people went through. And for the record, although I’m not exactly “well to do”, I do have a decent income now at age 51, and I still have trouble meeting someone. But then again, one of my favorite first dates was walking around a farmer’s market together. Cost nothing even though both of us had enough money to spend on something else.
@@coldwinter5710 middle aged single women may be meeting successfully on apps and by going out it’s the young singles who are having a different experience
I saw this coming nearly 15 years ago since that Mark Shepperd guy roasted a woman for saying she's independent and not needing a man's money but taking alimony
Social media, narcissism, sense of entitlement, high divorce rate and hypergamy have obliterated traditional dating mores. Also -- and this is very important -- it seems that nobody wants to develop a friendship first before pursuing a relationship. As a result, many men *and* women are turned off by this and would rather just remain single and do their own thing. Believe me when I tell you that the number of single, never married and childless adults living in the U.S. will continue to grow.
@@marcilk7534 Because in the modern day that's the case. Chances are if a girl isn't getting with you (or heck, even if she is), then she's getting with someone else. A lot of girls these days will happily use the friend zone to lead on guys to take advantage of them
This is literally the most on point comment so far. The first line hit the nail on the head about everything wrong w/ dating nowadays. I wished they had a balanced panel of men and women and also used more data points instead of just talking off raw opinions.
Dating or even showing interest in a woman in public is dangerous for a man these days. Never mind how expensive choosing the wrong one will be for him. With a game so stacked against you, would you want to play? And this goes double or triple for my brothers of color.
You’re completely right. I struggle to see a productive stage of feminism after this. The pendulum has swung too far one way, to men’s and society’s detriment.
@@Johnhoward4794 women's detriment are following behind, it already was there, its just going to get worse over time. now its a resentment and apathy towards women stage that all the shaming in the world and name calling wont change. lol, its crazy how enabled selfishnesh,lies, propoganda, envy, hate, greed of government and women got his far, it serves as a good example of what evil leads down the line.
Dating apps are a nightmare for men. They only work for the top 5% of men. The rest of get either crumbs or nothing at all. It is demoralizing. I am a SWM with a high paying job, reasonably attractive, healthy and fit, have my life together and the apps made me feel worthless. 99% of the women are after 5% of the men there. Waste of time.
Corporate greed is a major factor in why people aren't going out and men are not able to spend a bunch of money on women. And all the greedy property owners raising the rents astronomically are crushing our society.
@@kgs2280 corporate profits are higher than ever before and they are also paying less in taxes than ever before. Many property management companies are being sued for illegal price fixing/collusion using the Real Page app. Corporate GREEDFLATION
I’ve heard that for a lot of younger guys just starting out careers, that the women they are interested in have expectations that they pay for a majority of things yet are making as much if not more than the man they’re interested in.
You seem to forget many of these married people you speak of have kids in their late teens, 20's & 30's. They are not coming from completely ignorant perspectives. They are witnessing all of this with their own kids, friend's kids & co-workers.
@@coldwinter5710 but they don't know WHY their kids are having dating issues... they'd be better off asking their young sons why they don't want to date these gen-z harpies.
@@coldwinter5710 their kids are not even in double digits LOL many of these women marry and give birth in their late 30s and early 40s... This is not 18th century we're living in
Sure there is, just remember rule #1: NEVER GET MARRIED. There currently is no up side for a man to get married. You just don't tell them that. You tell them you're looking 'for the right girl'. And when she questions further, you just say you will know when you get to know her well. You never say that they aren't the right girl, just that you haven't decided yet.
Cant disagree, women initiate 70% of divorces because they always think theres someone better out there. Women are pricing themselves out. Its their own fault 😂
@@TheSocratease yes they can and they do. Whats happening is that the hot men get away with doing whatever they want, and then men who arent hot get blamed for their bad behavior.
And men find women so unpleasant that they do not even want to approach women. We are fine with a woman who has confidence and has a good job, but we do have standards such as the woman should be nice and pleasant. Unfortunately, that seems to be asking too much from most women.
The clip of Scott was very good. He’s right, but he mentioned very clearly, that it is also society’s fault, and not just the young lonely men’s fault. I strongly push back against this “hustle and grind” that Simone mentioned. How are young men supposed to earn a living when rent and groceries cost as much as they do? Work 8-10 hours a day, eat, enjoy an hour, sleep, and wake up and do it over again. Never earning enough to accrue wealth or have meaningful hobbies outside of the home.
For a short period, yes. In 2004, I had a full-time job and a second job at a night club. I was able to pay off $10+ in credit card debt and have my own apt in NYC for a year. And I even crammed some socializing in there. Some nights I only got 5 hrs of sleep but it paid off in a big way. Also, this is how immigrants and the working class get degrees, buy cars & houses, date and start families while keeping their debt load as small as possible. If you don't come from a rich family, that's an option you have to consider...🤷🏾♀️
It takes time to build up income, but we all go through it (other than those born in wealth). I was age 40 before I could buy a house, and even then I could only barely afford it.
@@contracthit9839 This. I felt he was actually straight wrong about more things than he was right. He's very disconnected from what's going on with the average gen Y or Z guy in America
its much easier for women on a panel to simply bash & blame men than to use their brain & be analytical & think about the reasons things are the way they are.
It's not even "attractive," it's PRETTY. I always look ridiculous in photos, so I do terribly on dating sites, yet I've had no problem dating IRL. One of my girlfriends got interested in me because she's gorgeous and she got quickly bored with everyone ignoring her engineering degree!
Women do this and its ruining them. The same studies show that men are more even with their preferences with women on dating apps. It's why women get the vast majority of likes.
Women want the 12% percent of men that are considered outliers. The outliers dont want them because theyre not stupid. Any guy who has looks and money doesnt settle for low hanging fruit especially on these dating apps. Its that simple.
For every 1 guy there's 10 women that want to date him?! That's because all the women go for the same guys and the other 80% of men don't exist to them. If that 80% approach, they're called creepers or worse and if they don't they're called disaffected or worse.
Many of us are done with relationships with men. Many of us will not date men, won't be intimate with men, don't want children, and do not want marriage. It's 4B movement.
Watch some more of Professor Galloway's content - he addresses this idea and says that yes - the top 5% or so are definitely thriving in apps. And all that attention encourages the absolute worst behavior out of them.
Everyone one guy that exists, that is, not invisible. If you're one of the guys in the bottom 80%, women don't even know you exist. Thats what she meant when she said this, and shes 100% right in this statement. The top guys have multiple women to choose from at all times.
@@k2peek we all know women will not change their behavior. i say let it get worse & watch what happens. it will be women that suffer. the stats of 45% of women under age 30 being single & childless by 2030, they had to bump it up to 50% because of the decisions women are making. its women crying on tiktok about having to share a man because every average chick thinks she's a 10 & therefore deserves Michael B Jordan or Chris Hemsworth caliber man. most women don't get that, so because of pure narcissism, they'd rather settle for NOBODY if they can't have a rich guy that looks like Jason Momoa. women who think like that deserve to be single. the solution is simple. women have to lower their unreasonable standards. but we all know because of how narcissistic social media is making women, that thats not going to happen.
@k2peek we all know women will not change their behavior. i say let it get worse & watch what happens. it will be women that suffer. the stats of 45% of women under age 30 being single & childless by 2030, they had to bump it up to 50% because of the decisions women are making. its women crying on tiktok about having to share a man because every average chick thinks she's a 10 & therefore deserves Michael B Jordan or Chris Hemsworth caliber man. most women don't get that, so because of pure narcissism, they'd rather settle for NOBODY if they can't have a rich guy that looks like Jason Momoa. women who think like that deserve to be single. the solution is simple. women have to lower their unreasonable standards. but we all know because of how narcissistic social media is making women, that thats not going to happen.
men's engagement with women has gone off a steep cliff RECENTLY. this was not happening "before the internet" I would know, I was here before the internet. I remember women were not as insufferable as they are today & social media wasn't a thing & people were allowed to date at work before everything got weird & woke.
My parents divorced when I was 3 years old, then I watched both of them go through several other failed marriages after that. While my father was dying of cancer, his 2nd wife was cheating on him with a coworker. My mom settled into a 3rd marriage where she is lonely and depressed. I chose peace, quiet and freedom. Been single all my life and I have nothing but freedom and happiness. Never been lonely or depressed. Many men are waking up to the reality that relationships have always been a lie and a trap.
You done well sir. Yes relationships are just absolute negativity & downside for any man who can find s3x elsewhere. Relationships for women are about extracting value at a man's expense, & they feel entitled to take whatever they can get from men. We see that now, we can't unsee it.
My adult son has money to save and to spend only because he cannot and will not date marry or have kids. I can't blame him. The trajectory Of our culture and society at large has steered him largely down that rabbit hole.
And hopefully he doesn’t get married so some woman can take everything he worked his entire life to gain at any time her emotions change with the wind.
Another propaganda to blame men for their loneliness 😂😂😂. None of them talked about how even average women are all looking for the top 1% men. Didn't talk about how unpleasant women have become and how dating a modern woman is another bill😂, and how the divorce law scares a lot of men, so it should be changed. How are men supposed to date women who don't need men😂. I lost brain cells listening to them, only one of them was a little honest about the me2 movement. Well, since they don't want us to deal with the real issue, pharmaceutical companies will continue to make money from antidepressants 😂😂
Social media has expanded the dating pool exponentially. Women are being pursued by more men than ever before, and the pursuers, are in competition with many times more men than ever before. Women choose the best they can get. Men choose as many as they can get. The winners here are the very most desirable of men. In today's hook-up culture, their options are infinite. Almost any girl can get a date or two with one or more of these guys. Thereafter, none of these women will settle for average men. And when they inevitably get left behind, they end up too bitter to be desirable, and convinced that all men are like that. Men who are average or lower are left out of the game altogether. And that's just part of the problem.
@@janemcconnell5625 yes, because of whom the women picked - that same 5% of men...And NOT for virtuous reasons. Edit: you already seem bitter - but I can't imagine how bitter & angry you'd be if almost all men were *only* swiping right on thin 19-24 year old women with attractive features. That is the exact corollary of what 95% of women *are actually doing* on the apps.
The real conversation here is diminishing opportunities of all kinds for young men. This is why we see greater indoctrination in all the negative areas. They feel little sense of hope. The next 20 years will see the results of that bad policy.
OP is right. fewer opportunities to buy houses, fewer opportunities to accrue wealth and be financially stable, fewer opportunities for affordable hobbies (money going to rent and groceries with little left over for activities.) turns out that the last one was, and is a great way to MEET PEOPLE and end up in a relationship, or at least make friends with a variety of people, and fewer and fewer people can afford to do that nowadays.
Men have seen our dad uncles and coworkers wind up broke, alone, and suicidal just trying to get laid only to wind up in a relationship. Women in the long run are a very risky investment with a high probability of personal destruction. Most modern men pass on those odds.
I see alot of blame placed on young men. What about the unrealistic expectations of young women? Their perfext man must be 6 foot, earn six figures and have a six pack. Anyone less than that, however unqualified she may be herself, is swiped left.
Just by Symone’s facial expression and general vibe you knew she was going to just BS it all and not really contribute in a constructive way and exactly do the opposite. She has a militant, self-indulgent smash and grab presence; very unpleasant. As a 29 y.o. man, my problem with dating is that 1.)I’m scared that I’ll fall in love with a woman and get married and be utterly obliterated a few years later by divorce proceedings. 2.) women’s standards are extremely high, even though I own my own home and car in cash 100%, have a good bit of money on the side, physically fit, well dressed, it’s still difficult because they want movie star extremes in a man 3.) if I do get a woman, I don’t want to have to prove myself day in and day out and compete with every man approaching her on social media and always being on a cliff with her backup BF ready to go any time I mess up 4.) it is expensive to have a GF
Stupidity and ignorance is the problem. Life and relationships are hard; get used to it. Then get out there and meet people, you'd be surprised at how many nice people are out there.
You're absolutely right. America is hellbent on continuing to let the "trickle down" mafia devour the nation's young hardworking people by countless schemes like rigging the "housing market" deliberately manufacturing artificial "scarcity" by using draconian "zoning". Why should young people date if they know they can never afford a house or genuinely afford kids no matter how hard they work? The crime syndicates of the "trickle down" mafia in this country amount to crimes against the country and humanity
you cant go by what these dumb tiktokers say. there are way more women that arent concerned about that stuff. dont believe that most women are superficial that leads you down the incel rabbit hole
Nothing has changed. Girls initially, anyway, just want to have fun, so you need to learn how to keep them entertained, hopefully cheaply. But remember, they are always (subconsciously, anyway) thinking long term, so remember that.
vectoralphaAI, McDonald’s is expensive. Got a pancake breakfast, a burger and fries along with a coffee from McDonald’s and another burger and fries 3 meals almost 40.00$. Went there cause my son was going to take us SAT test and for only 3 people.
@@parker4149 Thats an average night out at any chain-like restaurant in America. A nice steakhouse could easily run you 200+ dollars for a dinner with your wife. Eating out is ridiculously expensive.
@bobcobb158 not where I live lol. I'd move if a 2 person meal and drinks cost 200+ lol. But I'm not a rich elite like it sounds like you might be with a 2 person meal being 200+.
8:15 more like we men aren't dating broke women. Drizzle drizzle fellas. She doesn't make 100k,nope! She's not at least 5'7" nope. She doesn't pay for your haircut and food,nope. She doesn't pay your bills and rent/mortgage, nope. We don't want broke women 😂😂
Just meet someone at work or school they say. Meanwhile jobs are cutting hours en masse, it's nearly impossible to even find a full time job, and going to college requires massive loans. Jeez I wonder why young people can't meet anyone
It's because we've been there too, and we had to learn how to work around our problems. Or do you think your parents were all rich social wizards, who knew all the perfect lines to use when meeting someone new? Now that's funny!
Women’s loneliness can be solved with one fix. Average woman date average men, expect average lives, average benefits, average experiences, and average outcomes.
It's both parties to blame for relationships being difficult. You have men, who have been burnt by women too many times and women, setting way high expectations which puts unnecessary pressure on men. Men are being honest and women cannot deal with it, ladies just move on and take your time. Same for men, don't rush into a relationship
Drizzle, Drizzle movement has a solution for the dating crisis. Let women pay for the date, pay for the dinner, pay the bills and shower us with MEAT (Money, Effort, Attention and Time).
Are we gonna act like women ain’t got rosters and sneaky links? And this is supposed to be a panel about dating today and it’s only women on the panel? At least one dude lol
Like my old zoology professor told me decades ago, "If men and women couldn't make babies, they'd be considered two different species". I guess things haven't changed. Just watched a video on Japan, it's the same there.
Jen: I met my husband through work because he emailed me 🙄 Yes Jen, men should use their work email to as their coworkers on dates, that sounds like a “great idea” (sarcasm)
It only works if the man is attractive and they want his attention. For any other man, it’s a trip to the HR for a stern lecture at best, losing his job at worst.
It's unbelievably bad advice. Here, do this thing that will definitely get you fired and destroy your life just so women don't have to ever approach...wow.
I rather ask out a woman that works as cashier at a supermarket i frequent incase she says no i can always go to another supermarket, but at work its bad news you have to see her again and again and you got rejected or reported to HR lol
I think it's interesting that they have four women who are married/in committed relationships talking about what's wrong with dating and whats wrong with men. Where are the men to explain their side of the issue? typical.
those women have been exposed to the absolute worst filth that men post about them, they have a fairly extensive experience of what utter evil filth men can direct towards women.
they're painting a narrative because the kind of betas they settled down with are saying no in this upcoming generation... the falling out will be spectacular
Women have it easier in the dating world. Idk why they are making them seem like they have it hard when guys have been without luck with all the high prices, high housing prices, low wages & college debt, society expects men to have all these things in tact. Women can easily be overlooked with this issue but men will be looked down upon for not having financial security. That’s what is making dating impossible. Men are not dating either cause they know it’s financially impossible.
Huge problem. Instead of getting drunk, smashing things, and going nuts at house parties, teens are zombied out on digital gadgets. Which is worse? It's a surprisingly close call!
This news report is so misleading on so many levels, I don't even know where to even begin the explanation. It is a shame that there was no men being interviewed in this news story.
Instead of wondering why people aren't wanting to date (for I don't think its just men who feel this way), maybe we should be asking why does anyone want to sustain what has been the "traditional" way of dating? Dating, frankly, sucks. But this piece seems to be trying to put all the blame on men. Maybe men just don't want to put up any longer with having to "prove" themselves to women. Even the "Morning Joe" piece with the doctor talks about "shame, pain, humiliation, and rejection" re: dating...wow! Sounds like a real winner!
Coming from a man less than 30 years old...deep connection with people has come at high costs the past decade. Most young people cannot afford the ways dating has come for Boomers and Xers. Younger generations are especially being priced out of society.
Boomers and Xers never spent much money on dates in their youth. This seems to be a new phenomenon that young people are expecting to date the same as married middle aged couples. As an Xer, I still expect low cost dates other than in long term committed relationship on those rare special occasions.
@@marcilk7534 A product of social media and women having a ridiculously high expectation of what the dating experience is supposed to be. An average guy with an average job can't afford to be spending 100+ dollars on dinner dates weekly or multiple times a week.
@@marcilk7534 women wont date you if you take them out for a walk in the park or a coffee date for a first date. they want 5 star restaurants for a first date. then women wonder how they made it to age 35, unmarried & no kids lol smh
@@asdfxcvbn746 That’s not my experience with myself or my friends. I don’t trust a guy who takes me too a nice restaurant first date, casual ok. My friends are similar to me. Maybe you’re trying to date high maintenance women.
@@marcilk7534 most modern women nowadays are high maintenance because of social media inflating women's egos to astronomical proportions. you're probably middle aged or an older woman. so you may not have the insane ego of the younger, gen-z women who have been exposed to the constant attention & validation they get from men on social media since birth. this is why it makes no sense for the older women in this video to discuss this issue. they have NO IDEA what its like to date in this modern climate as most of them are married & have been off the dating market for 20+ years.
I find this topic very interesting as a father of two boys. I think much of what is said is true, but I think it ignores some of the negative effectives of social media on female expectations as well.
The whole 'women rate 80% of men as unattractive or below average' pretty much sums up the entire dating scene. Most guys have average looks, average jobs, and average status, and average ain't even close to good enough for the social media influenced standards of today.
Don’t blame the fathers, the selfish narcissistic mothers need to blame themselves. 80 percent of men in jail are suns from single mothers. So who is bad?
I see no problems here 🤷. Young men have plenty of time and can always jump into a relationships in their 30s or even late 30s. I got 99 problems but a dating app is not one of them.
What these women aren't understanding is that between 'Me Too', modern day feminism, & dating apps that the average man's chance of dating and finding a decent woman is very slim. Dating apps are worse because for every 1-2 women it's like 20 guys. Then I believe two of the women on the panel mentioned they met their husbands at work. Not a smart move when you have to go to HR and let them know this when it should be among both parties. When the bottom falls out and things get messy the man is usual the one that's fired. You don't play where you eat at. A panel of women who really doesn't understand.
The problem is obvious but we live in a society where nobody can give women constructive criticism. Heterosexual men find modern women so unpleasant that they do not even want to say hi.
Why aren't men dating....
Four women proceed to bash men in attempt to explain it..
The issue cannot be solved without addressing the root cause - Men find modern women to be so unpleasant that they do not even want to say hi. It's not an issue of people not being out and about, the issue is that men are NOT interested overall. Women need to be feminine and not act aggressive and rude.
I'm one of those guys who always thought finding love was like in the movies. This generation of women are like actresses in 🌽 movies rather than rom coms. Sure I have hookups but I haven't found a woman worth spending my life with. They don't have loyalty anymore
@@NeygarzruinedAmericaOh boohooo
@@at1the1beginning u must be one of those actresses.
@@at1the1beginning you spread your legs easy huh?
Why is a panel of middle-aged women having this discussion? Why aren't the young men in this demographic invited to be part of the discussion?
OK, but how many podcasts do you have for that?
Hey let these dry mamas talk about something out of their reach. Remember Mirka had a very open affair with her cohost and married him so you know she is down for work hookups.
Lazy journalism. Finding young men and women to present on the show takes time. Easier to interview one another.
Or young people period. Oh wait, that would destroy their narrative.
Right? They should have done a panel with 4 young men and 4 young women and asked them about it. 4 middle aged women whose childhood and teenage years are nothing like Gen Z’s, discussing this issue is so out of touch lol.
Dating someone at work is a VERY bad idea. If it doesn't work out, it causes a lot of other issues. Don't do it people.
💯
Well it's the way the majority of people met in the past. Definitely a risk to your advancement for most men though
@@eastwoodccj Spot on, my manager dated my supervisor. He got fired because of it, she "found" another job few months later.
@@eastwoodccj I was about to say this. Many people found their spouses at work in the past. Or at the very least, a colleague in their industry. But men especially today have learned to be VERY careful with any romantic connections at work. Men don't want to be accused of anything.
Yea it is big risk but I’ve done it a few times and wasn’t that bad
Four women telling all the men what's wrong with them!
if they stop listening to incels on the internet the boys would be OK.
The only distinction between this and every other part of reality is that here the women have cameras on them. Every gathering of women from time immemorial features a discussion of what's wrong with men and how women have nothing to do with it.
@@CarrieLovesLife. And what did they have to say about women and what they can do to fix things...I'll wait, for a million years
Have you seen so many male podcasts telling women what they should do to fix society dating problems in society. I personally think it's good thing. A lot of people need to work on themselves first before getting into a relationship.
@@stephensharper4312Why is up to women to fix men’s problems? Not our job.
A man can't find a date: he's an incel
A woman can't find a date: men's fault
Learn to have accountability ladies.
😂😂😂 truth
Young people aren't going out because it's so apocalyptically expensive just to survive that doing literally anything extra isn't worth the financial burden. People aren't hustling because we've become aware that there's no reward at the end of the struggle anywhere. Success isn't mobile in a world where established mega corporations control everything from industry to the Supreme Court.
You can ask someone to meet you for a cup of coffee & take a walk in the park. Or seeing a free summer concert in the park, or, or, or...Try stepping out of your box & becoming a bit more creative! My parents didn't have any money when they met either, over 60 yrs ago. They met at a dance hall that maybe cost them a drink. Rent some bikes & get some ice cream. Rent a paddle boat & spend a couple hours on a beautiful lake & make some sandwiches to share. Come on now!!!
Yeah. The parks that don't exist because they're apartments or factories now. The concerts that are never free anymore. Those other activities cost money. Having no money 60 years ago means nothing. Even $1 60 years ago is equal to more than $10 now. Rent costs more than a house payment back then. Either you're delusional but well meaning or a bot. Stop blaming these kids for problems you created.
@@CptOmega2 Where do you live? No parks?? No nature? I mean - yes, things cost more today, especially rent and housing, but it is NOT true that you can't go outside and physically meet people. There are ways. If nothing else, you can go for a walk in the street - it costs nothing. I think it is also a mindset thing....I was at a free concert in the park last Saturday. No celebrity, but still nice.
@@coldwinter5710point me to that girl that would be happy with sharing a home made sandwich at a park and I'll find her a place in a museum...you clearly have no clue what's 2024 like, this is not the 60s
So true
No young men at the table to discuss why this is happening?
You'll be fine.
Exactly women are just guessing- no one is telling them they don’t engage in dating
Only woman’s opinions matter
Because they’re liberals. They caused it now they’re trying to gaslight you. Just like voting for Biden and destroying America
@@SnookisInfant-gt8xu by "no one is telling them they don't engaging in dating", you mean women or men? And who's just guessing women in general or THESE women?
MEN, WE NEED TO KEEP WALKING AWAY UNTIL WOMEN START TAKING ACCOUNTABILITY! INSTEAD OF BLAMING AVERAGE MEN FOR NOT BEING TOP TIER MEN!!
What we know now is women would rather die alone then admit they are wrong or be with a guy they feel is beneath them. Women will never change
Then the time has come to die alone with your cats and boxed wine, ladies.
Amen
@@forzaazzurri1471 Doesn't that mean men will d'ie alone too? Why are you being smug against single cat ladies when you're also gonna di'e single?
@@jd8184 If men die single it will be a choice, women will be forced to do so after hitting the wall. And there are more women than men so..
Imagine women having all the options in the dating market complaining about the dating market they created..
Sigh. Criticism of men without actually talking to any of them is not a legitimate form of discourse.
It is in the US. Validation is what women seek and they get it from each other. Imagine being a husband to any of those women. Imagine the amount of manipulation you’d go through throughout a single day, every day …. Imagine not being able to be you or being able to share your true opinions and feelings with your wife out of fear of being shamed. That’s what the young men see with today’s women. They saw how their mom treats their dad. They see how he’s become soulless and only purpose to chase his wife’s approval and happiness.
75% of husbands are unhappy with their marriages (according to polling)
say it to "feminist brains"
If men were there, they would all just be asking accusatory loaded questions and doing the smirk and the eye rolling, wgaf?
Bad wages, the destruction of public Third Places, and the growing expense of going out are also enormous factors.
Exactly 👍🏼
If anything they need to start paying us man more liveable wages
And third wave feminism
@@Monkofthecaribbean thats fake news. more like things in the economy like expenses are and housing out of control and men have no one to talk to that have been through anything. thats why i talk to my sons
Bingo.
This panel is dangerously delusional.
and misandrist.
Asf
Very misandrist.
Have you met the women on these apps? Men would rather not deal with the train wrecks... 90% of divorces are initiated by women. Women want an easy life. Men just want a responsible companion.
Have you seen the men on dating apps?
@@paulaw418 I am a man attracted to "factory original" women only. When I used dating apps, no men appeared before my eyes (occasionally, some trans women did). Speaking only from my experience, it was not possible for me to see the men, because I wasn't looking for them. Please tell, how are the men on dating apps?
Single male professional in the finance industry speaking here - I have an iron clad policy against dating any woman in the workplace. I have had women show interest in me in the workplace and I flat out said no even though they were attractive. I am not going to risk my financial life and my personal reputation like that. That is the reality today. I would prefer not to have my life destroyed if a romance doesn’t work out, thank you very much.
Married man, in finance, making 250k a year, 2 kids, big house, etc.
This man speaks the truth. I will teach both my boys that any women in the workplace is NOT to be dated or even looked at as a possible date. Also, be VERY careful what you say around women and if you can avoid being alone with them, try.
Sorry but once society changed from "innocent until proven guilty" to "believe all women" and cancel culture...you have to live by this creed.
Women, try to put yourself in our shoes. Would you risk everything you've built your whole life?
@@Michael-u3y3h very good strategy. Your boys will do great
@@Michael-u3y3hThank you. This is the modern reality. I am divorced 5 years, have three teen kids, big house, 6 figure income. You are out of your mind if you think I will risk everything for a date with a hottie from work. I have projects to do that weekend. See ya at the next staff meeting.
This is all well and good. Great for you to know what works best for you. However, this is why MANY employers have policies that forbid you to date fellow employees. The consequences are much too great, on many levels, for the organization as a whole. So in this sense, this is hardly some kind of revelation.
Lots of women saying “what’s wrong with him?” for not asking. If I said that about a woman, it would be harassment.
It is FAR more complicated than this, and this did not address the guys' perspectives about their experiences trying to date women. The guys would argue that (among other things) they are tired of the constant rejection of 95% of women who will only consider dating the top 5% of men, and they've given up, thus isolating themselves.
Why don’t you just work on being a better man and putting yourself out there?
it's actually top 1% in terms of wealth, looks, and status. Being an average guy will get you nothing.
Men without the "three sixes" - six foot tall, six pack abs, six figure income - need not apply.
Not all women. Somebody has to say it.
@@kgs228099% percent of you th ots
Lack of hussle and drive? C'mon! People work long hours and still live paycheck to paycheck
Preach 💯👏
I think there may be less hustle.
Born of a sense that hustle won’t advance their lives.
All these 4 women move around in circles of the most powerful and richest men in government and entertainment in the US.
Having them discuss why dating sucks for the average person is like having 4 princesses sitting in their castle, discussing why the local peasantry smells so much
Staying home and finding pleasure in that is called PEACE, not a RUT.
I think they mean if you are staying at home for weeks and weeks on end then there's a problem
If the person is naturally a hermit, cool. But if they report loneliness m it is a problem.
they will play cs2 go
A girl says “it’s Friday.” I say “well happy Friday then ”and go on my way. I don’t care how many signals or hints I get anymore. If women want to go out, they can ask.
@@bullmoose6739 you're a man - show you have b---s and ask her. It's your job, not hers.
Calling men of today young broke and lonely is not gonna make them start dating you more ladies
It's actually women who are done. They only wanted men in the first place because they had hope that men would learn how to communicate, love, and be kinder. It didn't happen so what's even the point.
@@anarcho-communist11that sounds just as cynical as the red pill movement of men, but for women… OP has a point, but young men are young, broke, and lonely because the price to live is through the roof.
People meet each other by having hobbies they can go out to do in groups. Go to a pottery class, an astronomy group, some kind of hobby outside of the house. But the price of groceries and rent and everything in general is so expensive, that a lot of people just can’t afford to do any of it.
@@AndrewH1994 Oh, but a bunch of incels have enough money to have a very costly hobby: It's called video games.
They have money to buy all the games and expensive consoles and computers to play in front of a TV all day.
Thank Goddess for women's sake! We don't WANT a smart mouth internet troll trying to date us, in case you didn't get it!
@@anarcho-communist11 I doubt that .Its over control . And young cute women have that and they know it.
I'm 41. My dating range is 28-35, since I'm still looking to have kids. Just about every single woman I've met through an app has either stated that they're a "Leftist" and do not want children or a family, or they're deep into their careers and still expect to find someone who is of a higher status.
Men have been slacking, but Women's expectations need to recalibrate to the new world we live in. The pool of high-value men that are making more money than them, and physically appealing, is VERY small. None of those guys are looking for a CEO wife, either.
we the same age and pretty much the same mindset
I’m 38 and dating a 22 year old in PH. I fly out 3-4 times a year to see her will most likely marry her next year if she signs the prenup. There is a whole video why you should not date women over 25. Simple fact is if a women went through high school and college and could not find one single guy, she is statistically a bad bet. By the time she went through high school and college the average “American women” has been on a 100+ dates, 10+ situationship, 2-3+ relationships. So your going to come along and think your going to sweep her off her feet?
This panel was just horrible. Sorry but none of them are in the age range of affected by this. They are older and have all been or are currently married. Wrong demographic! Our phones are sorta paid for but going out is too expensive. People are struggling to pay student loans and really high rent. So we are working more and too broke to go out and socialize. Using your cell doesn’t cost extra.
You are completely misunderstanding the panel. It's not about them & their ages! They are experts studying data & feedback & sharing what they know. Stop with the agism as well & start listening to some wisdom the older generations have to offer. 🤦
@coldwinter5710 Nonsense...They have no academic credentials in the human behavioral sciences They are unqualified..
Frfr. “Let’s hear from some Gen X wine moms to bring us up to speed on the struggles of being 20”
But 90% of men online say they dont get matches? Women dont want 90% of American men?
@@coldwinter5710experts 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I heard there are a bunch of eligible bears out there.
this lack of hustle and drive stems from the lack of societal reward for such behavior
There is no reward for men outside of family and resources. Divorce results in men losing all of that.
I worked my fingers to the bone in my 20's and got literally NOWHERE for it. The second I started to crawl my way up another peg on the ladder by starting my own business, they shut the entire world down and made it impossible to continue operating. I realized in 2020 that the system was always rigged in favor of the rich, and that's the way it always has been. My only regret was not realizing it sooner. I have no one to thank but my God for saving me from the mouth of the Beast. I could have spent my whole life on that hamster wheel had it not been for Covid disrupting the world.
They try and make it seem like women are good catches and men are bad. They need some diversity and expanded perspective on that panel. There are tons of men looking for relationships, but many women only want guys who are tall, have a high paying job, are in good shape, funny, sweet, etc. etc. Women need to come back to reality, and work on themselves as well, especially in the healthy weight category
how dare you!
@@skinnyguy7773😂👍
Speaking facts? Yeah we don’t do that here
Young people are priced out of society
Everybody.
Can't do the ice cream...two cones are $30.
Young men aren't learning social skills. I was always broke in college; but lots of women liked going out with me. How is price in that equation? It isn't. Far too many young men only want magical pick up lines just to find a girl who is DTF. They don't want dates. They want BJs.
@@selenasimmons6653yet you voted for Biden that caused it. How much money went to Ukraine that could be spent on America. How much are illegals getting in ebt cards that could go to help Americans?
$30?! Two cones where I live is much less than that! People have lost all creativity! Maybe it's more about the generation that wants everything handed to them on a silver platter. That don't think they should have to put in hard work to get ahead. That think sitting with your head in your phone all day watching other people's lives is going to get you someplace. Just a thought...
Men are fed up with drama. Women never ask what they are bringing to the table because they view themselves as the prize, and if the man pass all of their tests he wins, or does he? Because, to be perfectly honest the testing never ends.
Wow, 4 married middle aged women commenting on the dating scene for young people. Yet its people like this that are in power and make policies that have reordered society in a way that makes dating, marrying and having children extremely expensive, some that a lot of young people can't afford.
“For every one guy there are ten women who want to date him” are you sure? 😂😂
Yeah, I heard that and laughed. There's all sorts of ways that number could be "true" without reflecting Reality at all! My sister works in a nursing home, and says that in the 80+ range they have four women for every man - well, yeah, they are from an era when women married men 3-6 years older than them, so most of their "eligible" men are dead.
If only the top 10% of men are consitered eligible, than yes, it is true. The other 90% of men are invisible.
The delusion is just unbelievable
it's not totally wrong, just incomplete. There are ten women competing for the same man, while ignoring the nine other men. There are a small number of "highly desirable" men who get all their attention. I think dating is hard for women too, but I would venture that very few of them have ever been ignored on the apps to the extent that most men have.
@@godskisonsundayThey’re talking about the increasingly polygamous dating market without realizing that’s what they’re referencing.
Men don’t want to risk jail and being dragged through the divorce courts. Women most affected. Come on guys. Why don’t you want to risk everything on something with a 56% failure rate.
Funny how it only becomes a problem when women are affected by it.
What's even more awesome is that women are wondering what's going on with men on dating apps. They still don't understand that they're all dating the same 20% of men.
Correction: the vvomen are using these apps to meet the handsome chads who don't want them back... after rejecting all the good guys who would appreciate them
Oh yea women are so unrealistic. No high value man wants a problematic women. We men want mature women, not immature little girls who are gonna hold us back
I stopped dating 20 years and I have never been happier.
I'm 39 and never even started. I'm much happier than my brother, who had his first child at 18 and killed himself in his 20s after his marriage fell apart.
@@jamesgravil9162very sorry to hear bud
@@jamesgravil9162 dude...
@@jamesgravil9162sorry for your loss bro.
@@jamesgravil9162very sorry for your loss, no woman is worth self deleting
Men ain’t jumping thru hoops for flakey cheating women
When going out costs at least $100 to do ANYTHING when most Americans can’t cover a $300 emergency…yeah, but it’s all the phones…
Long-term economic trends certainly are a very significant part of it, but it's not at all exclusively the case. There are a lot of warped, atomized, and lonely people out there that are dominated by these simulated activities in this long march down the neoliberal abyss.
its the economy stu...pid , when you are trying to understand nobody seems to understand generally start to follow the money and/or the economy generally speaking you start to get really explanation when you go that road.
I would already have a lady and a family if salaries were better and cost of living and home ownership not so crazy. whats the. point of dating if you cant build with a lady?
Divorce rate of 50%. Women initiate most of them. Some men commit suicide.
A girl said “it’s Friday “. I say, well happy Friday then and go on my way. Tired of all the hints and signals. If a woman is interested, she can ask now days.
Some men are cynical, and rightly so.
Heaven forbid we raise wages so young people could actually afford their own places to live and have the money to go out and pursue their interests. Bet the well to do aren't having a problem going out and finding someone.
Also, stop pushing the return to office. Working from home actually leaves me with energy to go out after work. I have nothing left physically or mentally after I have wasted 3 hours commuting plus the 9 hours in the middle that the office sucks out of my day.
Every time the government raises wages the cost of everything goes up too. It is a never-ending cycle, then there is the fact that our workforce is constantly growing artificially from immigration which keeps wages from increasing naturally due to demand for workers. The fact is if America does not start focusing on us instead of trying to control the world than it is just a matter of time until we collapse. Bring ALL our military home and stop ALL foreign aid would reduce government spending by more than half, which would reverse some of the inflation, but they will not do that.
Thank Republicans for the no higher wages. Biden wanted to pass that into law but Mitch McConnell and his buddies
Voted against that.
I will never understand why people voted for Republicans.
who actively oppose anything to help the average American citizen.
Not part of the one percent.
We can’t just press a button and “raise wages”
Young people today have to go through the same struggles every other generation of young people went through. And for the record, although I’m not exactly “well to do”, I do have a decent income now at age 51, and I still have trouble meeting someone. But then again, one of my favorite first dates was walking around a farmer’s market together. Cost nothing even though both of us had enough money to spend on something else.
Wish they had the opinion of a single woman on the panel.
Exactly!
Why that’s not the source
Or a single man...
These people are sharing data & feedback FROM SINGLE WOMEN!
@@coldwinter5710 middle aged single women may be meeting successfully on apps and by going out it’s the young singles who are having a different experience
MGTOW
I saw this coming nearly 15 years ago since that Mark Shepperd guy roasted a woman for saying she's independent and not needing a man's money but taking alimony
Have fun with your flock of pigeons.
hold the line bois.
@@c.eb.1216lol the average guy can just hire an escort
@@scrapy3211 So it's not exactly that they don't need no woman
My god this was horrible coverage of the issue. MSNBC should feel embarrassed.
It’s from a progressive or liberal narrative. Basically always a man’s fault🙄
@@terryr7622 Did you not watch the video?
@@davidnec571it’s all propaganda. Not even referring to hypergamy, women being spoil, or anything. Just blame men for everything
Just stop with the "propaganda" BS! Propaganda about what exactly? Grow up.
@@davidnec571You can't be serious !
Women telling men, why men are not interested in dating ….. What could the problem possibly be ? 😂😂🤣
I'm not an American, but why all women in this conversation..?
@@KasunGamageit's a propaganda
If girls were that attractive without risk, why would men avoid dating?? Huh? Duh...
Social media, narcissism, sense of entitlement, high divorce rate and hypergamy have obliterated traditional dating mores. Also -- and this is very important -- it seems that nobody wants to develop a friendship first before pursuing a relationship. As a result, many men *and* women are turned off by this and would rather just remain single and do their own thing. Believe me when I tell you that the number of single, never married and childless adults living in the U.S. will continue to grow.
AMEN!!! 👏👍
This! The best relationships come from friendship first. No clue how friendship leading to more became labeled as “friend zoned” and seen as fatal.
@@marcilk7534 Because in the modern day that's the case. Chances are if a girl isn't getting with you (or heck, even if she is), then she's getting with someone else. A lot of girls these days will happily use the friend zone to lead on guys to take advantage of them
This is literally the most on point comment so far. The first line hit the nail on the head about everything wrong w/ dating nowadays. I wished they had a balanced panel of men and women and also used more data points instead of just talking off raw opinions.
Yea because the let's be friends has been used dishonesty for some time now.. Some women would say that while smashing other dudes
Dating or even showing interest in a woman in public is dangerous for a man these days. Never mind how expensive choosing the wrong one will be for him. With a game so stacked against you, would you want to play? And this goes double or triple for my brothers of color.
Apparently women are perfect and without flaws
late-stage feminism
Fake feminism
I have some bad news Sir. It's terminal.
You’re completely right. I struggle to see a productive stage of feminism after this. The pendulum has swung too far one way, to men’s and society’s detriment.
@@Johnhoward4794 women's detriment are following behind, it already was there, its just going to get worse over time.
now its a resentment and apathy towards women stage that all the shaming in the world and name calling wont change.
lol, its crazy how enabled selfishnesh,lies, propoganda, envy, hate, greed of government and women got his far, it serves as a good example of what evil leads down the line.
I agree that there is a lot of toxic masculinity out there, but toxic feminism is also a thing and this video is a perfect example!
Women complaining about men what a surprise
John you can get a date. just stop being weird about it go out and practice conversation
@@KingJT80 i'm married
@@johnsmith7345 your poor wife.
@@innocentnemesis3519 you assume you know something
Some internet guy getting mad just by the mere existence of women discussing a subject..:what a surprise!
A bunch of old women tried to discuss problems about young men crazy
they are just speaking from their perspective and some of them were way off base and even a bit clueless, its to be expected.
all we have to do is see the sewer of online comments men post and the horribly offensive social media posts to think men have a real mental issue.
@@janemcconnell5625many women see men now and want to stay away.
funny how these vvomen didn't mention that vvomen are swiping left on 95% of men, and NOW they demand where all the good men went !
@trashpageant7861 MANY men see women now and want to stay away.
“Nope… nada… no thanks.”
Dating apps are a nightmare for men. They only work for the top 5% of men. The rest of get either crumbs or nothing at all. It is demoralizing. I am a SWM with a high paying job, reasonably attractive, healthy and fit, have my life together and the apps made me feel worthless. 99% of the women are after 5% of the men there. Waste of time.
Did you try to smile more?
I see you’ve been on dating apps lol
Womens standards are too high irl too
Man go outside
@@michaelsmith6404 Oh, I deleted the apps years ago. Most speaking from experience and I hear it has only gotten worse.
They’ll blame the men.
They always do. That's why we ignore them. And then we'll get blamed for ignoring them.
Corporate greed is a major factor in why people aren't going out and men are not able to spend a bunch of money on women. And all the greedy property owners raising the rents astronomically are crushing our society.
Nailed it. 🔨
Precisely
Yeah, it’s always somebody else’s fault.
@@kgs2280 corporate profits are higher than ever before and they are also paying less in taxes than ever before. Many property management companies are being sued for illegal price fixing/collusion using the Real Page app. Corporate GREEDFLATION
@@kgs2280 CORPORATE GREEDFLATION
I’ve heard that for a lot of younger guys just starting out careers, that the women they are interested in have expectations that they pay for a majority of things yet are making as much if not more than the man they’re interested in.
Unrealistic expectations.
1:06 bunch of married women talking about dating 😂😂😂this is hilarious.
You seem to forget many of these married people you speak of have kids in their late teens, 20's & 30's. They are not coming from completely ignorant perspectives. They are witnessing all of this with their own kids, friend's kids & co-workers.
@@coldwinter5710They are not experts on this subject
@@contracthit9839 you think they werent dating before they got married?
did you think that response through??
@@coldwinter5710 but they don't know WHY their kids are having dating issues... they'd be better off asking their young sons why they don't want to date these gen-z harpies.
@@coldwinter5710 their kids are not even in double digits LOL many of these women marry and give birth in their late 30s and early 40s... This is not 18th century we're living in
There is no longer an upside for men in committing to modern women.
no longer an upside
Sure there is, just remember rule #1: NEVER GET MARRIED. There currently is no up side for a man to get married. You just don't tell them that. You tell them you're looking 'for the right girl'. And when she questions further, you just say you will know when you get to know her well. You never say that they aren't the right girl, just that you haven't decided yet.
There is literally zero reason for a man to approach a woman. Zero upside and a billion potential life ruining downsides.
Cant disagree, women initiate 70% of divorces because they always think theres someone better out there. Women are pricing themselves out. Its their own fault 😂
Dating apps, social media, and feminism have inflated women's standards to levels most men cannot reach.
@ohjay7612... Social Media & Apps, Yes...But what does Feminism have to do with it?
@coldwinter5710
It means they can't get away with acting like misogynistic pigs.
@@TheSocratease yes they can and they do. Whats happening is that the hot men get away with doing whatever they want, and then men who arent hot get blamed for their bad behavior.
@@TheSocrateaseI'm sure you have alot of men chasing you😂
And men find women so unpleasant that they do not even want to approach women. We are fine with a woman who has confidence and has a good job, but we do have standards such as the woman should be nice and pleasant. Unfortunately, that seems to be asking too much from most women.
The clip of Scott was very good. He’s right, but he mentioned very clearly, that it is also society’s fault, and not just the young lonely men’s fault.
I strongly push back against this “hustle and grind” that Simone mentioned. How are young men supposed to earn a living when rent and groceries cost as much as they do? Work 8-10 hours a day, eat, enjoy an hour, sleep, and wake up and do it over again. Never earning enough to accrue wealth or have meaningful hobbies outside of the home.
Galloway is out of touch with the youth...
For a short period, yes. In 2004, I had a full-time job and a second job at a night club. I was able to pay off $10+ in credit card debt and have my own apt in NYC for a year. And I even crammed some socializing in there. Some nights I only got 5 hrs of sleep but it paid off in a big way. Also, this is how immigrants and the working class get degrees, buy cars & houses, date and start families while keeping their debt load as small as possible. If you don't come from a rich family, that's an option you have to consider...🤷🏾♀️
It takes time to build up income, but we all go through it (other than those born in wealth). I was age 40 before I could buy a house, and even then I could only barely afford it.
@@contracthit9839 This. I felt he was actually straight wrong about more things than he was right. He's very disconnected from what's going on with the average gen Y or Z guy in America
its much easier for women on a panel to simply bash & blame men than to use their brain & be analytical & think about the reasons things are the way they are.
The sad reality is studies have shown that a very high percentage of people on dating apps are only pursuing the most attractive people on the apps.
It's not even "attractive," it's PRETTY. I always look ridiculous in photos, so I do terribly on dating sites, yet I've had no problem dating IRL. One of my girlfriends got interested in me because she's gorgeous and she got quickly bored with everyone ignoring her engineering degree!
its not "people" its WOMEN. only WOMEN are chasing the top 1%-10% & ignoring the rest like they don't exist.
That really isn't new,
Women do this and its ruining them. The same studies show that men are more even with their preferences with women on dating apps. It's why women get the vast majority of likes.
Women want the 12% percent of men that are considered outliers. The outliers dont want them because theyre not stupid. Any guy who has looks and money doesnt settle for low hanging fruit especially on these dating apps. Its that simple.
For every 1 guy there's 10 women that want to date him?! That's because all the women go for the same guys and the other 80% of men don't exist to them. If that 80% approach, they're called creepers or worse and if they don't they're called disaffected or worse.
Same could be said for men. That’s why dating is messed up.
Many of us are done with relationships with men. Many of us will not date men, won't be intimate with men, don't want children, and do not want marriage. It's 4B movement.
Watch some more of Professor Galloway's content - he addresses this idea and says that yes - the top 5% or so are definitely thriving in apps. And all that attention encourages the absolute worst behavior out of them.
@BradCozine
Maybe they've seen your scary profile pic?
@@killahkurlz7157Nein! The data shows that men swipe right on way more women, than women do men. Get your facts right!
"For every one guy, there's ten women who want to date him," Symone says--and yet on dating apps men greatly outnumber women.
Everyone one guy that exists, that is, not invisible. If you're one of the guys in the bottom 80%, women don't even know you exist. Thats what she meant when she said this, and shes 100% right in this statement. The top guys have multiple women to choose from at all times.
@@bobcobb158 stop going for the top 1% then. simple problems have simple solutions.
@@asdfxcvbn746 You're assuming that solution is simple? I'm not so sure, myself, based on what I've learned/observed about women, lol.
@@k2peek we all know women will not change their behavior. i say let it get worse & watch what happens. it will be women that suffer. the stats of 45% of women under age 30 being single & childless by 2030, they had to bump it up to 50% because of the decisions women are making. its women crying on tiktok about having to share a man because every average chick thinks she's a 10 & therefore deserves Michael B Jordan or Chris Hemsworth caliber man. most women don't get that, so because of pure narcissism, they'd rather settle for NOBODY if they can't have a rich guy that looks like Jason Momoa. women who think like that deserve to be single.
the solution is simple. women have to lower their unreasonable standards. but we all know because of how narcissistic social media is making women, that thats not going to happen.
@k2peek we all know women will not change their behavior. i say let it get worse & watch what happens. it will be women that suffer. the stats of 45% of women under age 30 being single & childless by 2030, they had to bump it up to 50% because of the decisions women are making. its women crying on tiktok about having to share a man because every average chick thinks she's a 10 & therefore deserves Michael B Jordan or Chris Hemsworth caliber man. most women don't get that, so because of pure narcissism, they'd rather settle for NOBODY if they can't have a rich guy that looks like Jason Momoa. women who think like that deserve to be single.
the solution is simple. women have to lower their unreasonable standards. but we all know because of how narcissistic social media is making women, that thats not going to happen.
This is not new…people have been talking about the problems of “disengagement” since the beginning of the internet/social media.
Before that.
its not internet its the money
men's engagement with women has gone off a steep cliff RECENTLY. this was not happening "before the internet" I would know, I was here before the internet. I remember women were not as insufferable as they are today & social media wasn't a thing & people were allowed to date at work before everything got weird & woke.
This is the 1st generation of men who have had to deal with masculine women.
My parents divorced when I was 3 years old, then I watched both of them go through several other failed marriages after that. While my father was dying of cancer, his 2nd wife was cheating on him with a coworker. My mom settled into a 3rd marriage where she is lonely and depressed. I chose peace, quiet and freedom. Been single all my life and I have nothing but freedom and happiness. Never been lonely or depressed. Many men are waking up to the reality that relationships have always been a lie and a trap.
🙏
Retired at 40. Lucky you 🍀. Congrats.
You done well sir. Yes relationships are just absolute negativity & downside for any man who can find s3x elsewhere. Relationships for women are about extracting value at a man's expense, & they feel entitled to take whatever they can get from men. We see that now, we can't unsee it.
Wow.
Stop blaming men and start taking responsibility for your own actions
We feel your period
pains, dude...👈🤔...
That's important, right ???...
@@usedtolovepotatoes8197thank you it's good to know another man has my back have a great day
@@Muttinchopsforevermore
It's like an annoying pain
in the neck, right ???...👈🤔...
That's what we're feeling, anyway...
An excellent point
..you're comin round ma'am.
And that was meant with utmost respect🇺🇸
We knew you seen through the bs🍿
@@usedtolovepotatoes8197 True that
My adult son has money to save and to spend only because he cannot and will not date marry or have kids. I can't blame him. The trajectory Of our culture and society at large has steered him largely down that rabbit hole.
his money won't help him get matches on dating apps
And hopefully he doesn’t get married so some woman can take everything he worked his entire life to gain at any time her
emotions change with the wind.
yayyy liberalism!!! yayyy feminizm!!
Another propaganda to blame men for their loneliness 😂😂😂. None of them talked about how even average women are all looking for the top 1% men. Didn't talk about how unpleasant women have become and how dating a modern woman is another bill😂, and how the divorce law scares a lot of men, so it should be changed. How are men supposed to date women who don't need men😂. I lost brain cells listening to them, only one of them was a little honest about the me2 movement. Well, since they don't want us to deal with the real issue, pharmaceutical companies will continue to make money from antidepressants 😂😂
Social media has expanded the dating pool exponentially. Women are being pursued by more men than ever before, and the pursuers, are in competition with many times more men than ever before. Women choose the best they can get. Men choose as many as they can get. The winners here are the very most desirable of men. In today's hook-up culture, their options are infinite. Almost any girl can get a date or two with one or more of these guys. Thereafter, none of these women will settle for average men. And when they inevitably get left behind, they end up too bitter to be desirable, and convinced that all men are like that. Men who are average or lower are left out of the game altogether. And that's just part of the problem.
No use trying to explain this reality to them. It’s like talking to a brick wall.
the women go out with these 'top men' get treated like garbage and withdraw completely. When you poison your own water you will die of thirst.
@@janemcconnell5625 yes, because of whom the women picked - that same 5% of men...And NOT for virtuous reasons.
Edit: you already seem bitter - but I can't imagine how bitter & angry you'd be if almost all men were *only* swiping right on thin 19-24 year old women with attractive features. That is the exact corollary of what 95% of women *are actually doing* on the apps.
Maybe men should lower their standards and go for the plain Janes who get overlooked.
That isn't part of the problem, that is THE PROBLEM
Whole lotta 50-year-olds on this panel and serving as experts. Something wrong here. Why don't you throw in a 20something for perspective?
The real conversation here is diminishing opportunities of all kinds for young men. This is why we see greater indoctrination in all the negative areas. They feel little sense of hope. The next 20 years will see the results of that bad policy.
We feel your period
pains, dude...👈🤔......
That's important, right ???.....
Um what?
OP is right. fewer opportunities to buy houses, fewer opportunities to accrue wealth and be financially stable, fewer opportunities for affordable hobbies (money going to rent and groceries with little left over for activities.)
turns out that the last one was, and is a great way to MEET PEOPLE and end up in a relationship, or at least make friends with a variety of people, and fewer and fewer people can afford to do that nowadays.
NOBODY CARES !!!...👈😁...
FOOTBALL 🏈 SEASON LESS
THAN TWO MONTHS AWAY !!..👍
I met my wife at work too
Men have seen our dad uncles and coworkers wind up broke, alone, and suicidal just trying to get laid only to wind up in a relationship. Women in the long run are a very risky investment with a high probability of personal destruction. Most modern men pass on those odds.
to think of a relationship in terms of 'an investment' makes you not ready to be in one, unfortunately.
I see alot of blame placed on young men. What about the unrealistic expectations of young women? Their perfext man must be 6 foot, earn six figures and have a six pack. Anyone less than that, however unqualified she may be herself, is swiped left.
Taking responsibility is women’s kryptonite.
6 foot doesn't cut it anymore. I'm 6'1" and it doesn't do me any favours. 6'4" is the ideal.
Just by Symone’s facial expression and general vibe you knew she was going to just BS it all and not really contribute in a constructive way and exactly do the opposite. She has a militant, self-indulgent smash and grab presence; very unpleasant.
As a 29 y.o. man, my problem with dating is that 1.)I’m scared that I’ll fall in love with a woman and get married and be utterly obliterated a few years later by divorce proceedings. 2.) women’s standards are extremely high, even though I own my own home and car in cash 100%, have a good bit of money on the side, physically fit, well dressed, it’s still difficult because they want movie star extremes in a man 3.) if I do get a woman, I don’t want to have to prove myself day in and day out and compete with every man approaching her on social media and always being on a cliff with her backup BF ready to go any time I mess up 4.) it is expensive to have a GF
This guy gets it.
Downward mobility is the problem. No one is doing anything about that.
Stupidity and ignorance is the problem. Life and relationships are hard; get used to it. Then get out there and meet people, you'd be surprised at how many nice people are out there.
@d.e.b.b5788
Did you not watch the video, or are you just operating in space of total ignorance?
You're absolutely right. America is hellbent on continuing to let the "trickle down" mafia devour the nation's young hardworking people by countless schemes like rigging the "housing market" deliberately manufacturing artificial "scarcity" by using draconian "zoning". Why should young people date if they know they can never afford a house or genuinely afford kids no matter how hard they work? The crime syndicates of the "trickle down" mafia in this country amount to crimes against the country and humanity
"THERE ARE NO MEN" MEN= a 6ft perfect face muscular ripper dude who makes 200 K and will treat her with contempt.
Most likely.
Exactly, there are no men is code for 80% of men don't exist
you cant go by what these dumb tiktokers say. there are way more women that arent concerned about that stuff.
dont believe that most women are superficial that leads you down the incel rabbit hole
Found the Incel.
@@Aries73 they're so easy to spot....
Dating is expensive and most young women feel entitled to be spoiled.
We cant just blame women bro, men gotta work on themselves and their problem as well
most young women feel entitled to be spoiled.
@@omotayosatuyi252 lol k
@@omotayosatuyi252You have to remember that women might all be chasing the same guy😊
Nothing has changed. Girls initially, anyway, just want to have fun, so you need to learn how to keep them entertained, hopefully cheaply. But remember, they are always (subconsciously, anyway) thinking long term, so remember that.
Interesting that this is an all female panel
Yep, and *none* of them would I ever date. 🤣
Yep, men can't speak on women's issues but the same doesn't hold for women apparently.
correction, and all *old* female panel
The original segment included men as well. And the information they are talking about is from data & studies that were done on younger people.
@@coldwinter5710How delusional
Looks like the wolves are upset the sheep won’t breed.
Show up with a wad of cash and start spending on me, otherwise you get none of my attention.
What’s in it for us, as men?
Dating and going out is so expensive. Every time my wife and I go out to eat its at least $100 plus tip
Got expensive taste, it sounds lol
@@parker4149 right. I go to McDonalds.
vectoralphaAI, McDonald’s is expensive. Got a pancake breakfast, a burger and fries along with a coffee from McDonald’s and another burger and fries 3 meals almost 40.00$. Went there cause my son was going to take us SAT test and for only 3 people.
@@parker4149 Thats an average night out at any chain-like restaurant in America. A nice steakhouse could easily run you 200+ dollars for a dinner with your wife. Eating out is ridiculously expensive.
@bobcobb158 not where I live lol. I'd move if a 2 person meal and drinks cost 200+ lol. But I'm not a rich elite like it sounds like you might be with a 2 person meal being 200+.
8:15 more like we men aren't dating broke women. Drizzle drizzle fellas.
She doesn't make 100k,nope! She's not at least 5'7" nope. She doesn't pay for your haircut and food,nope. She doesn't pay your bills and rent/mortgage, nope. We don't want broke women 😂😂
Drizzle drizzle
Grizzle grizzle
This was the perfect response
A lot of old people telling young people how to do things.
True and they all have good incomes, these four. Came from strong families
It could be good to listen to experience.
Just meet someone at work or school they say. Meanwhile jobs are cutting hours en masse, it's nearly impossible to even find a full time job, and going to college requires massive loans. Jeez I wonder why young people can't meet anyone
It's because we've been there too, and we had to learn how to work around our problems. Or do you think your parents were all rich social wizards, who knew all the perfect lines to use when meeting someone new? Now that's funny!
@@d.e.b.b5788 wrong. Older generations had things objectively easier in terms of housing, wages, consumer prices, etc. Unless you were black
Can old ppl just not talk about this please, it’s creepy
Also, not dating is ok, too.
yes say it again!
Being alone is actually great.
Exactly. Everyone is fine with LGBT and other alternative lifestyles. But as soon as straight people don't want to date, the sky is falling.
Women’s loneliness can be solved with one fix.
Average woman date average men, expect average lives, average benefits, average experiences, and average outcomes.
100% of women are Disney princesses and they all deserve to have Prince Charming.
It's both parties to blame for relationships being difficult. You have men, who have been burnt by women too many times and women, setting way high expectations which puts unnecessary pressure on men. Men are being honest and women cannot deal with it, ladies just move on and take your time. Same for men, don't rush into a relationship
Thank you for saying this!!!
We feel your period
pains, dudes...👈🤔...
That's important, right ???...
Agreed
So many posters...👈😁...
So few testes, among them....
@@usedtolovepotatoes8197 Newly crowned "Miss" Maryland is packing giblets!!!!!
Also this panel lacks diversity. There should be men in this conversation as well
Drizzle, Drizzle movement has a solution for the dating crisis.
Let women pay for the date, pay for the dinner, pay the bills and shower us with MEAT (Money, Effort, Attention and Time).
Lol just don't date
Purrr Queen 💅
So you want women to be traditional men, and you want to be a traditional woman.
No chance you could just go Dutch and be good company to each other?
@@c.eb.1216
Sorry, no more broke girls in my life. If a woman wants my commitment she must show me she deserves it.
@@c.eb.1216
If she is no broke and she can pay my bills, why she wouldn’t pay them.
Are we gonna act like women ain’t got rosters and sneaky links? And this is supposed to be a panel about dating today and it’s only women on the panel? At least one dude lol
Women play basketball ???..👈😳..
Does anyone watch ???...
@@usedtolovepotatoes8197 I’ve never seen Beyoncé at a WNBA game but she sure has been at plenty of NBA games
@@theorangepillnurse5399
I'm pretty sure I've seen Beyonce
once...👈🤔...
I remember thinking
"My wife is hotter than her"...👈😁
@@usedtolovepotatoes8197 yeah your wife is definitely not hotter than her, she’s definitely less important/useful
@@theorangepillnurse5399remember even if women do something wrong, its mens fault
Like my old zoology professor told me decades ago, "If men and women couldn't make babies, they'd be considered two different species". I guess things haven't changed. Just watched a video on Japan, it's the same there.
So true! "Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars". The sooner we figure this out, the better!
Jen: I met my husband through work because he emailed me
🙄 Yes Jen, men should use their work email to as their coworkers on dates, that sounds like a “great idea” (sarcasm)
It only works if the man is attractive and they want his attention. For any other man, it’s a trip to the HR for a stern lecture at best, losing his job at worst.
I'd be way too afraid of getting fired if I emailed a coworker I was interested in.
It's unbelievably bad advice. Here, do this thing that will definitely get you fired and destroy your life just so women don't have to ever approach...wow.
I rather ask out a woman that works as cashier at a supermarket i frequent incase she says no i can always go to another supermarket, but at work its bad news you have to see her again and again and you got rejected or reported to HR lol
LMAO...A recipe for getting called into HR.
I think it's interesting that they have four women who are married/in committed relationships talking about what's wrong with dating and whats wrong with men. Where are the men to explain their side of the issue? typical.
those women have been exposed to the absolute worst filth that men post about them, they have a fairly extensive experience of what utter evil filth men can direct towards women.
they're painting a narrative because the kind of betas they settled down with are saying no in this upcoming generation... the falling out will be spectacular
The subject was dating. It was the man(simp) that made it a "what's wrong with men" thing.
This panel is completely disconnected and unable to take the male perspective. They should listen more than they speak.
In reality they are happy this is happening
Women have it easier in the dating world. Idk why they are making them seem like they have it hard when guys have been without luck with all the high prices, high housing prices, low wages & college debt, society expects men to have all these things in tact. Women can easily be overlooked with this issue but men will be looked down upon for not having financial security. That’s what is making dating impossible. Men are not dating either cause they know it’s financially impossible.
Huge problem. Instead of getting drunk, smashing things, and going nuts at house parties, teens are zombied out on digital gadgets.
Which is worse? It's a surprisingly close call!
This news report is so misleading on so many levels, I don't even know where to even begin the explanation. It is a shame that there was no men being interviewed in this news story.
Instead of wondering why people aren't wanting to date (for I don't think its just men who feel this way), maybe we should be asking why does anyone want to sustain what has been the "traditional" way of dating? Dating, frankly, sucks. But this piece seems to be trying to put all the blame on men. Maybe men just don't want to put up any longer with having to "prove" themselves to women. Even the "Morning Joe" piece with the doctor talks about "shame, pain, humiliation, and rejection" re: dating...wow! Sounds like a real winner!
Coming from a man less than 30 years old...deep connection with people has come at high costs the past decade. Most young people cannot afford the ways dating has come for Boomers and Xers. Younger generations are especially being priced out of society.
Boomers and Xers never spent much money on dates in their youth. This seems to be a new phenomenon that young people are expecting to date the same as married middle aged couples. As an Xer, I still expect low cost dates other than in long term committed relationship on those rare special occasions.
@@marcilk7534 A product of social media and women having a ridiculously high expectation of what the dating experience is supposed to be. An average guy with an average job can't afford to be spending 100+ dollars on dinner dates weekly or multiple times a week.
@@marcilk7534 women wont date you if you take them out for a walk in the park or a coffee date for a first date. they want 5 star restaurants for a first date. then women wonder how they made it to age 35, unmarried & no kids lol smh
@@asdfxcvbn746 That’s not my experience with myself or my friends. I don’t trust a guy who takes me too a nice restaurant first date, casual ok. My friends are similar to me. Maybe you’re trying to date high maintenance women.
@@marcilk7534 most modern women nowadays are high maintenance because of social media inflating women's egos to astronomical proportions. you're probably middle aged or an older woman. so you may not have the insane ego of the younger, gen-z women who have been exposed to the constant attention & validation they get from men on social media since birth. this is why it makes no sense for the older women in this video to discuss this issue. they have NO IDEA what its like to date in this modern climate as most of them are married & have been off the dating market for 20+ years.
I find this topic very interesting as a father of two boys. I think much of what is said is true, but I think it ignores some of the negative effectives of social media on female expectations as well.
You’re fooling yourself if you think women are going to take responsibility for anything lol
@@tooquick6 oh look here to prove why women don't engage is another bitter incel.
Not to mention most young man in today society doesn’t have a strong father or mentor no friends no good family it’s a sad world we live in.
The whole 'women rate 80% of men as unattractive or below average' pretty much sums up the entire dating scene. Most guys have average looks, average jobs, and average status, and average ain't even close to good enough for the social media influenced standards of today.
@@bobcobb158 Yeah it’s over for western I won’t even try or bother with these women anymore I enjoy my peace and freedom.
Don’t blame the fathers, the selfish narcissistic mothers need to blame themselves. 80 percent of men in jail are suns from single mothers. So who is bad?
Men arent hooking up becuase most of these women(not all) are ran thru. Ive never seen a chewed up steak and found it appetizing.
The Me Too movement has terrified my son
I see no problems here 🤷. Young men have plenty of time and can always jump into a relationships in their 30s or even late 30s. I got 99 problems but a dating app is not one of them.
Competing with all those younger men, yes.
Hypergamy, feminism, and social media have destroyed dating.
Women created this bs dating pool
What these women aren't understanding is that between 'Me Too', modern day feminism, & dating apps that the average man's chance of dating and finding a decent woman is very slim. Dating apps are worse because for every 1-2 women it's like 20 guys.
Then I believe two of the women on the panel mentioned they met their husbands at work. Not a smart move when you have to go to HR and let them know this when it should be among both parties. When the bottom falls out and things get messy the man is usual the one that's fired. You don't play where you eat at.
A panel of women who really doesn't understand.
Us men are toxic and bad. I get the message. Hear it over and over.
Womem are KWEENZ 😂
The problem is obvious but we live in a society where nobody can give women constructive criticism. Heterosexual men find modern women so unpleasant that they do not even want to say hi.