The 60kWh Tesla Battery Powered DIY Powerwall
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.พ. 2021
- System Tour Video: • 60kWh Tesla Battery DI...
Wiring Diagram: i.imgur.com/yeo5v1r.jpg
Summarised Price List:
Tesla Model S P85 Battery: $5,800
Victron Multiplus 24|3000|70 120V: $1200
Victron SmartSolar MPPT 150/85 tr: $700
Victron BMV-712: $200
SIMPbms With Display: $400
JA Solar 315W Panels (9X): $1600
Wires + Cables: $200
Bus components: $200
Circuit Breakers: (7X) $160
Other Small Components (Mounting Hardware, Lugs, Etc) $150
Non Exact Total: $10,610+
(Excludes shipping costs as it varies by location)
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Most parts (excluding the Tesla Battery and solar panels) were bought off of Amazon US and eBay.
The Tesla Battery was bought off of Yahoo Auction here in Japan. And no, there aren't any more for sale.
Solar panels were also bought of off another Japan only site: www.solar-off.com
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SimpBMS Manual:
github.com/Tom-evnut/SimpBMS
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Purchase links (Amazon US):
Victron Multiplus: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...
Victron SmartSolar MPPT: www.amazon.com/Victron-SmartS...
Victron BMV-712: www.amazon.com/Victron-Energy...
Victron VE.bus Smart Dongle: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...
Victron MK3-USB Adapter: www.amazon.com/Victron-MK3-US...
Blue Sea Systems 250A Busbar: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...
Blue Sea Systems 100A Busbar: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...
Blue Sea Systems Terminal Fuse: www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Syste...
True Copper (not CCA) 2AWG Cable: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...
2 AWG Cable Lugs: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...
2/0AWG Cable Lugs: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...
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SimpBMS Purchase links:
www.secondlife-evbatteries.co...
evshop.fr/en/bms/280-1136-sim...
www.lithium-power.com.au/prod...
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This panel can put out close to 100 watts th-cam.com/users/postUgkxOqI2yqX0XVrhR2BMJciTWrHJpG8FhJyg when positioned in the appropriate southernly direction, tilted to the optimal angle for your latitude/date, and connected to a higher capacity device than a 500. The built in kickstand angle is a fixed at 50 degrees. Up to 20% more power can be output by selecting the actual date and latitude optimal angle.The 500 will only input 3.5A maximum at 18 volts for 63 watts. Some of the excess power from the panel can be fed into a USB battery bank, charged directly from the panel while also charging a 500. This will allow you to harvest as much as 63 + 15 = 78 watts.If this panel is used to charge a larger device, such as the power station, then its full output potential can be realized.
nice setup, waiting for the next video.
FYI, saw a lot of comments asking why not use it as-is, you gave a good answer about the inverters, but there is an inverter that you can get second hand pretty cheap that supports up to 450vdc - Solaredge hub. maybe on your next adventure you will consider it :P
That's what i'm gonna use
Just did my first battery pack repair, good job. I want to build a homade powerwall for solar next!
You are a genius, and brave to face the challenge, the days ahead can change the world.
Brave ? . Your genius standarts are realy low. Its not Brave at all . Its more a fun project no normal user woud ever take the risk on. Its fine as long as nothing happens. If anything fails you are bejond fucked . There is no garenty nothing .
@@xythiera7255 Doing something risky which no one would try must be bravery. What am I missing?
Professional ESS installer here.
Really solid work connection wise.
I couldn’t tell if this was going in your house or an RV. But one thing I’d do is encase the Li-Ion cells in something less flammable than a wooden box. If you ever have a thermal runaway or short, that wooden encasement is tinder for a battery fire.
Some jurisdictions here where I’m at in CA are requiring fire suppression systems in homes and businesses where storage systems are. The industry is actually moving away from Li-Ion.
Great work tho!
What battery are they moving to? Lifepo4?
@@kr-lp2nj Yes most manufacturers are, but the building departments got a bad taste from li-ion so the codes are becoming really strict. They are even getting tough on installing them in your garage without expensive fire alarms.
@@magikplanofficial This is correct. Getting the permitting for my 24kWh ESS was a nightmare that went on for months after the rule changes in June or July 2021. Absolute nightmare. Even though I was installing Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries, I would up having to install them outside, instead of inside the garage where I preferred to have them. They said in order to install inside the garage, I would either have to retrofit my entire home for sprinklers or have a "state approved" heat detector, which at the time of my installation in Jan '22, simply did not exist.
@@magikplanofficial LFP is still lithium ion lol. Yes it is much safer, but the industry isn't "moving away from lithium ion". It's just evolving to use safer li ion that uses safer materials (at the cost of less energy density)
Everyone should be made to watch a house burn to the ground to quite get the flavour of it. I have seen two [No I did not start them].
All my electronics designs and builds are done putting fire safety above all because of what I saw with those two houses. It scared the hell out of me.
I did a lot of work on hybrid vehicles 40 years ago and saw what happens with rogue batteries.
While I admire what this lad is doing with his clean install and beautiful workmanship, I would be putting this in a steel closet lined with cement sheeting so it has NO CHANCE of burning down anything. You could then fit that inside you garage.
I admire you work and professionalism in fitting this Zai.
Best wishes from Australia.
There's enormous battery capacity for what appears to be a relatively small load. You're feeding that small load center with what looks like #10 SO cord, using (14) low amperage (probably) circuit breakers. It seems like the battery is overkill but I like it. Battery inverters like Tesla's Powerwall are too expensive and undersized IMO. Thanks for the video.
TY for telling us where u got the battery from!
Your work is very awesome and very clean work like wiring is very proper i install inverter in my house by my self but wires looks very bad I don't know how you manage these wires very clean i love your work.
Would love to see a video on how you set up the system. I would love to make one of these to run my house when there is an outage and charge from my solar. Appreciate it
Coming soon!
@@ZaiFuchigami Appreciate it! If I can learn from your TH-cam channel I will make some for my neighbors. We lost power in Texas 2 weeks ago for almost 4 days. This would help us out a ton!
@@pabbip9 no it won't
LiIon instead lifepo. Wooden shield, instead of metal. Oh yeah )@@ZaiFuchigami
Amazing bro. & that explosion💥 was hilarious 😂
Hi , I am very impressed with the quality of the work and the enthusiasm that you have shown .. I would worry about the cells going on fire. I would like to see the batteries build into a metal enclosure and away from the main house for safety. It would be great to see somebody take the original battery enclosure and modify it and fit it as it is like a fire wall only larger.
The metal enclosure is a great idea. Keeping away the batteries from the house... its almost imposible. You need to much cable section for that amount of current/voltage. And every meter you add, you have to increase that section making it economicaly inviable.
this seems so dangerous... thanks for doing the scary part for me! Here researching for a boat/yacht solar use case. Thanks for the video.
as a 2013 model s p85 (non D model) owner, this is very interesting to watch
Thats a bad ass setup! Twelve 250a 24v modules! WOW! Im currently building a Tesla system, currently have 4 of the modules and want 4 more.
Well done, such great project can feed a few houses easily. An awesome idea 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Zai, I used to be a heavy helicopter mechanic. The Sealant between the sleave and spindle and upper and lower star of the rotor head is impossibly hard to chip away.
Did you ever try heat gun? I mean, I don't know if it could be used, I'm just curious.
acetone will strip away some epoxy insulators , even steam cleaner will soften them
Awesome work!
I found something interested here. I like your efforts. And thank you for sharing :)
Young man, your are an incredible orator, with a fantastic knack for self-sufficient energy adoption. Your video is not only inspiring but, perfectly informative, and fun! Well done buddy. Planning on a similar project, and super excited that by using the Tesla cells, you have already broke down the correct format and use case. There are always going to be critics along the way, but you already know this lol. There will be no limit to what you will ultimately, and undoubtedly, venture to achieve on your journey. Awesome video, keep it up!
I really appreciate your kinds words, it means a lot :) Best of luck to you and your project!
You got me dude. I was so into it till the explosion made me jump. 😅
Nice work.. I started my power wall about 5 years ago using mostly Lap top cells, Now nearly all are gone.. don't be tempted to use laptop cells, they are discarded for a reason.
I'm up to about 20Kw but that's where it stops as the solar shed is full. Its my Daily top up for my Tesla.
Very nice package. Thank for sharing 👍
Do you think it’s a good idea to have that many un encased LiPo cells inside a residence? I’d be thinking of having it in an auxiliary building. Were the buss/jumpers all fed from the same end instead of diagonally? Gloves are a good idea but safety glasses can save your eyes. That much potential can vaporize a good chunk of metal if you have a moment of distraction.
Was thinking the same thing.
Just saw a news story of Tesla power wall fire. If Tesla can’t get it perfect, we all should be taking more care.
I can recall the diy ebike scene building batteries and chargers, discovering battery fires. Then people realised batteries needed to be charged in fire safe containers. Old bbqs, steel drums, concrete bunkers, non flammable fibre board fire barriers.
Some people even set up sand bags as fire extinguishers to smother the flame and smoke.
The tip on wearing eye protection is understated. I was horrified seeing the live batteries being moved under dangling bare cable lugs.
You guys sound like a bunch of babies.
Ya
@@LatinDanceVideos they are 24V modules, so they can't really cause arc flash...
This is the way to do it! 100kw model was my idea but I always overdo it.
I think we all go overboard (and over budget) with these projects 😅
@@ZaiFuchigami absolutely
i have 2 model S modules n my Rv - Victron inverter and solar charger - i use to charge battery on my Sur Ron ebike- ridden 1000 miles on 100% solar power
Awesome! I’ve been running my DIY BBSHD E-bike with sun power too, only done about 150km on it though...
Way to Go
I also like Victron products
So cool,thanks for this video,May I know how many KWH use to for a day?
The level of knowledge is out of this world can't wait to see it work and man yaw should start a business building these for folks yaw would be rich rich
Haha, thank you
Top.... 👏👏 Excelente video
Nice project, i want install one too, congrats
I am in the land Tesla solar forgot, South Carolina. Managed to get a consultation with Span in a few hours. Hoping to get more information on the battery software integration with Tesla and other battery systems with Span.
Be advised the cooling system on Tesla cars operates at 1 to 2 PSI. Don’t use a higher pressure.
Solid setup
You've got cool stuff Dude 👍
Greetings, why are you swapping out the the Nissan leaf batteries for the Tesla? When I built my system I decided on Tesla over the Leaf batteries because most of the Leaf batteries I could find had less than 60% capacity.
The only big one I seen, with the batteries, feed one of the cables from other direction to ensure even pull or charge on packs.
Totally agree. I was sitting here saying the same thing
That is one badass feat of engineering
Tesla Battery Impressive.
But Room for Improvement.
Thanks for Video.
Do not use a parallel connection on one side of the cells. Give the plus wire on one side and the minus wire on the opposite side. This helps to unevenly discharge and charge individual cells.
Caught that after this video went up. All fixed now :)
Interesting on these conversation of battery packs. I wonder why , though, why people don't just use those nice weather proof cases and plug into it as the car would. Then do step down after that. Put case in free air or a ground coffin to keep battery cool. Searched and didn't find anyone taking advantage of this.
Its been done before but the main limiting factor is cost. At full pack voltage the output connector will read around 400VDC, at this voltage its very difficult to find inverters and chargers that can handle such high voltages. Almost all battery systems max out at around 48VDC nominal so finding relatively affordable (under 10K) inverters and chargers is easier.
@@ZaiFuchigami ok that would make sense. I had thought that they had made the level 2 chargers a two way connection. This was talked a lot over in the Uk, using the car to balance the grid. Guess it didn’t happen . I had figured everything was basically done.
Sounds like some smart people could design a plug and play inverter for the 400v system to utilize the entire pack in the future. Incredible job you guy totally rocked the build . Rockstars
@@ZaiFuchigami I still think using the metal case and re-doing the electrical connections inside would be the way to go.. specially because those batteries can explode and catch fire when punctured, overcharged OR overheated. That wood case is not a good idea.
Puncture is pretty much impossible as it’s stationary and there isn’t something really sharp that could penetrate the cells. Overcharge is also unlikely as both the BMS and charge controller would have to fail to let the voltage get above 4.2v/cell. If you’ve seen any Tesla fire you can see that the steel casing doesn’t really help to stop it.
That wooden box looks nice but makes perfect accelerant if you ever get a runaway event in the batteries or the inverters.
I think the small wood box is the least of his worries in that event. It's like a matchbox.
Yeah definitely would have just mounted that whole car battery box on the wall and kept the modules in their original steel enclosure.
Nice work
Very nice work there 👍
Thanks 👍
Awesome job!
I was wondering if this is a new battery and got the answer by looking at the fuse you pulled out in a video from 2021 lol Im such a freak 😂
Can you update the description with a breakdown of your equipment and their associated costs? Also, where did you find the battery and how much did it and shipping cost?
Same me
Yes
Yes. That will be nice
Yes.
If you ask for costs then its most likely nothing for you .
Great video. A doubt, the gloves used are PPE?
I love that line - "Jehu said that, I learn from Jehu!"
great system!!!
Thanks!
Not sure I would do this. Batteries are stack next together without cooling. Fire hazard risk is too high to do it like this. In their original seal pack separated from each other liquid coolen, fire was still able to burn down a metal car. Video show a wooden container box with batteries compact together. I can see bad thing could happen if one cell get fry causing a chain reaction. I would separate each unit by a least 6" in well ventilated metal box outside away from the house.
This vidio boost my adrenalyne for DIY. 😃💥
Nice mate 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you! Nice setup you have there too 👍
Any particular reason you didn’t feed the batteries with the positive from one end and the negative from the opposite end? This would ensure even current distribution from each of the parallel banks as the wiring resistance will be approximately equal to every bank.
Thats something I screwed up on that I plan to fix soon.
@@ZaiFuchigami why no comment about the cost involved??
MrCarmelo1959 Apologizes for the delay. I’m working on a whole video breaking down the cost in detail. It should be done soon.
@@ZaiFuchigami CAN NOT WAIT DUDE. Thanks for sharing.
He's pulling so little compared to the total output capacity it really doesn't matter. They will self balance faster than he can charge/discharge them.
Cool video
Thank you!! Best video ive seen on TH-cam in a long time!! Can i please ask where you got the battery?? The whole p85 pack looks to be around $15,000.. Thanks brother!!
I appreciate that :) I got the pack on Yahoo Auction Japan for 700,000 Yen at the time. Shipping included. With the current exchange rate that's about 5k USD.
Nice Setup and nice Work/Skills!
Can you say, why you went for 24V System?
Easier to get more PV Energy in the Batteries with 48V System?
Are these Tesla Battery 18650 LiIon Cells ?
BR,
Tobi
Thinner cables possibly. For a given power, if you can increase the voltage the current reduces and the cables can be thinner, cheaper and more flexible.
Hi :-) Super Projekt !
not sure if you've addressed this, but have you thought of buying a simple fire suppression system for where the batteries are stored?
worthwhile investment to protect all those modules/batteries.
Lol never seen lithium battery fires huh.
It should be installed in an out building anyways.
Lol the power up got me really good
I'm having a hard time believing this is $80 a kwh. Where did you buy it from? The modules alone go for $130]-$1500 a piece equalling $300 a kwh.
It seemed like a silly thing to do, and it was mostly a propaganda ploy for Tesla. This is very expensive and costly.
Lol a propaganda ploy? I bought the pack from Yahoo auction here in Japan where demand is essentially nonexistent. That’s why the whole pack was so cheap at around 5,800USD. It’s from a P85 which is 80Kwh new. But i tested the modules and it had 70kWh remaining capacity. $5,800 / 70kWh = $85/kWh
@@ZaiFuchigami when the fuck did I say anything about a "propaganda ploy"?
@@ZaiFuchigami demand might be nonexistent but so is supply. Why would there be a tesla pack there and if it wasn't in Japan the shipping cost alone would thosands.
Randy Bobandy I was replying to the other guy. And the pack was from a wreaked Model S that was sold and driven in Japan. The battery was removed from the car and I bought it. I also live in Japan.
Nice setup what are you using to communicate with the modules?
Eliud Orozco SimpBMS
Are those gloves rated ? Where do I get them from ?
You can open covers easy with hotair without demage case.
Videos like this definitely get the attention of Tesla Motors
Have you tried applying heat to sealant?
Good video super
I want to attach skateboard Motors right to one of those packs
Hallo sehr guter Speicher 👍😎
Where did you buy this battery? Ebay? Great price. I paid $1k per module 5 years ago.
Yes.👍 Akb 🔋
Very nice. How much for the battery pack and source ? Thank you 😊
Usd80 x 60kwh =4800usd
How expensive was the tesla battery pack you bought ??? How much do you think you will save using the DIY wall power pack ???
You need to add T class fuses !
You could have dig a hole in the floor and used the entire thing as it is with the collant and connections working with tiny modifications.made something like tesla power floor.
HIGH VOLTAGE , way too high , but ....
“succsess” - whoops. Great job tho on the install!
Looking good, camera work makinme sick 😷
Why take the battery packs out of the Tesla OEM container? Would you be able to create the same end result? Thinking about have the battery pack on a floor of a BOX Truck Overlander Build
Why connecting neutral to terminal first? Shouldn't be positive as first?
To my mind Tesla batteries need to be modular whereby you can slide the old battery out and slide the replacement in. The old batteries can then be sent back to Tesla for reconditioning. In modern technology simplicity has to be key.
pick 6 mm or 7... both work. My german heart just cracked there.
Please consider putting some anti-flammable stuff in there to prevent once any of the cells go bad to burn your complete house down.
Hi, I want to try something like that would you be willing to share some knowledge around setting up this system and help me with my project?
What kind of info do you need?
@@ZaiFuchigami DIY from scartch I believe, a full step by step guide
Bro, we've all learned from Jehu Garcia. He is the father of DIY powerwalls.
😂
What voltage is heading into your multiplus from the batteries? it looks like the batteries are in parallel.
How much did it cost for the 60kwh battery bro? Can you come and install one for me in my 3 car garage? I want a p100d battery
yes I want to do this.
Excuse me while I pick up my jaw which has fallen all the way to the floor !
6:16 howly faaahhhckkk!!
8:40 a brazilian meme finally :) nazaré kkkk
Genuine question, why do all this? What do you get by using a vehicle-grade battery pack for a home? You get more capacity. But it is meant for a vehicle type environment, to withstand different conditions, which you won't be facing in your home. So all that is really just an overhead that you're throwing away.
Awesome!👍
👍🤗Super
Is it possible to use the battery pack “as is” directly. Would seem a lot safer and easier. Is voltage a problem?
Gran bel lavoro👍...ma in Italia non sarebbe possibile per le normative in materia di sicurezza..e ritengo sia una buona cosa...chi si prenderebbe la responsabilità in caso di incendio o esplosione? Ciao da Parma,Italia.🖖
Oem surron or segway batterys selled used are aprox 120$ per kwh
Did you get all the coolant out by connecting to the loops as you did in the video? Or did you have to do something more to get all the coolant out? Thanks!
I got all the coolant out with only the method I used in the video. Some modules did still had a few drops left over. Very little though.
@@ZaiFuchigami btw idk if it's been stated here but the coolant runs at a very low pressure .. only a few psi.. probably why you had that kaboom early on
Purchase costs with huge markups, exorbitant installation costs, maintenance/repairs, and then battery replacement costs. I'm not sure this will pay off even in the long run, but it's a sure thing that it will take a decade or two for the average homeowner to see any real savings.
You're right about the long return on investment. But I didn't do this to save money. If that were the goal, this would be the worst thing I could do.
I did this to be independent from the grid and to have a more reliable and cleaner supply of power, which are issues in my area.
Technically there were no markups or installation costs because I build it and installed it myself. Haven't done any major repairs or maintenance in over 2 years.
Do fire department need to know about the batteries (high fire hazard)? Do laws require to put in place a fire detection system (and suppression too maybe) ? Uncontrolled Thermal runaway can destroy your house
Ahhh we just wait for saintly person as you for warning...... Man, take responsibility into your own hands and stop hiding yourself behind regulations!!!
@@Thomeeno not so stupid really - might be a great idea to have this setup in a small building/container etc beside the house. Just run cable to your ATS beside your panel.
@@Thomeeno that's not fit for an inhouse Installation.
Lifepo4 would be appropriate but not do nearly as much view on TH-cam
@@tiloalo Actually i've already thought about this point. But my guess was Tesla battery is about same price per wattage while you get better li-ion technology compared to lifepo. I guess Tesla is able to make them really cheap in that amounts.
@@Thomeeno how is the technology better? It's more compact, but that's not really relevant for an in house static installation.
Lifepo4 is more stable (no risk of fire), doesn't have any heating issue at the amp needed for a power wall, and especially last 4 or 5 times longer (in term of cycles number).
Also you have 16 cells per pack, so cabling, balancing, monitoring, ... Is all incredibly simpler
Hi, looking forward to the system tour you promise, I need some inspiration
how did you get the battery?