To play the mod : find a regular map and select 'Create with mod' and then look for Evo Complete :) I've been playing a couple games with people in my Discord, feel free to join and find some games
The strat for Sci Vessels was to have at least a couple of them and irradiate each other while hovering over the mineral line. Since they are mech units, it doesn’t damage the Vessels, it wrecks havoc on the mineral line and lasts the entire irradiation time.
Check out Direct Strike ;) Standard has standard units, but Commanders have coop commanders and their units. Reavers are used by Artanis ;) And direct strike 3vs3 can be a cool format to play with other people.
This is what star craft 3 should look like. Like 2-3 different shades of each of the three races. Brood war era terran could be Terran confederacy or United Earth Directorate, Brood war zerg under a 'neo overmind' etc.
MORE PLS this mod is fantastic, can't wait for the inevitable SC1 pros vs SC2 pros. Thermy we gotta see some 120 damage storm drops or plague + cracklings
Do the "eraser" next!!! Basically two science vessels irradiate each other and go over the drone lines, killing everything. And the spell damage is not enough to kill the vessels themselves.
Everything I've seen with this mod, the Brood War races dominate the SC2 races. Dark Archons with maelstrom with high templar psionic storm as a follow-up looked downright broken against SC2 zerg. Brood War had more powerful units with game breaking abilities, but the difficulty in controlling everything balanced it out. When you take out that limitation, they dominate.
I think it was actually the second scarab that the reaver fired which exploded. XD So the first shot did a double 360 no-scope and fizzled out while the second one just went straight in and blew up. Again, the MOST BROODWAR thing that could have happened.
@@TerrariaiOSTAIOS There are some 2012 pictures of uThermal on Liquipedia which would be at 17 with a full head of hair and the next one is 2015 which already shows significant balding. It goes really quickly sometimes.
ABSOLUTELY! Please do it! A couple of science vessels irradiate each other and move over the mineral line, because the damage stacks but the mechanical science vessel don't take irradiate damage!
My favorite thing about sc1 when I was a kid was clicking on the marine enough to make him swear, and the academy scream. I would listen to the academy scream over and over. When I was young, I didn't know know what stim did, so I would just use it until all my units had 1 hp and then lose, cos medics didn't exist yet :(
I also didn't know what stim do, but I realized it reduced the HP of my units so I didn't use it, I didn't even research it, why would ANYONE use it, it is stupid, it reduced your units HP!!! :D
I believe that scream is a stock audio file used in a lot of movies and media, similar to the wilhelm scream, the academy scream is called the "Howie Scream"
This is such an awesome idea! Now, competitions can go from 3 races to 6. making things a lot more interesting! and chaotic! I hope Blizzard sees this, and incorporates it.
@uThermal The classic Science Vessel harassment vs. Zerg is Irradiating two Science Vessels and flying them over drones killing the whole mineral line pretty much instantly.
I believe that scream is a stock audio file used in a lot of movies and media, similar to the wilhelm scream, the academy scream is called the "Howie Scream"
I remember playing SC1 and Brood War in High School with my friends, and I remember the old meta for 4v4 was both sides would buildup for some period of time and then just clash against eachother with BSs and Carriers. I remember making a ton of Science Vessels and my teamates getting mad at me for not making BCs... then the fight happens and i just EMP half the enemy carriers while defense matrixing a bunch of ally BCs and you could just see several rows of enemy carriers just instantly vaporize. I also made tons of Valkyrie and they would just delete whatever was left over.
uThermal doing anything remotely Broodwar related? Yes please. (If you do more of this, I don't suppose you could up the music a little bit? Original SC music is so good but I couldn't really hear it in this video) New versus insane AI series with this? :P
Brood war has so many fun strategies; I remember making a bunch of science vessels irradiating all of them and then flying them over the mineral line like a zerg eraser. Not to mention the Valkyrie and long range Goliaths for anti air, just amazing - I hope you play more Terran brood war games!
I always felt the next thing Blizzard could have done was split the three factions the same way SINS of a Solar Empire did with "rebels" being the Brood Wars and "loyalists" being SC2. Terran Raiders (TR) Terran Dominion (TD) Zerg Overmind (ZO) Zerg Queen (ZQ) Protos Khala (PK) Protos Scion (PS)
amazing. Long forgotten feeling of the game which looks fresh and exciting. Approach of the small balance upgrades instead of adding new stuff is just idiotic it kills all the fun.
Try StarCraft 2 plus, the concept is similar. For some units in normal games there will be an alternative from the first SC. You choose them at the start of the game.
I will not be satsified with this mod series until we see a Dark Archon rush. That was my favorite BW unit back in the day and it would thrill me to see thermie crush some n00bs with DAs.
Stimpack in Brood War is much stronger. It's +100% move and attack-speed, where it's only +50% in SC2. That's why you feel the marines are so much stronger.
SC1 hydras appear weaker, but they make for suuuuch a strong army that is relatively cheap. Also, 50 drones is essentially a 5~6 hatch economy! SC1 zerg really doesn't need a lot of drones to have a booming eco. And no inject, so macro hatches are totally a thing!
Loved watching you play BW races. Please play more pro SC2 players. Maybe you can play SC1 Terran vs Harstem, i've seen his videos where he's playing this mod too.
Saw a comment on Artosis Casts about this mod and I am quite interested to try it out! My only wish is that the mod has SC1 Tank Sound FX. IMO The BW Tank sounded a lot more impactful and threatening when you hear that Chonky Transformation compared to SC2 😁
20:20 wdym, dragoons are literally the mainstay of BW protoss. Everything else just supplements to it. So you can never have too much dragoons, only too little of others. Also, you forgot zealot speed from Citadel :D
This makes me want to see you go for a no (one) Queen build in SC2 for Zerg. Just litter the map with macro-Hatcheries and pump big armies and never run out of larvae.
This is great. I'd love to see an even more faithful reproduction of BW in the SC2 engine pick up steam like this (4 worker start with the same mining speeds and all). The simpler unit design is so cool, but the original engine is so annoying to interface with.
The overlord upgrade you didnt see is vision upgrade +1 on the range if I remember correctly. Its kind of sad you didnt make queens tho, they are incredible for harassment, they have broodlings and parasite ;)
oh wow lore accurate probe harass even in BW I've seen a probe harassing terran SCVs usually the probe wins because of them being ranged and can move shot
Dragoons were "all or nothing" from what I remember. They'd either durp around and be super frustrating or be absolute menaces obliterating everything. No middle ground in an encounter, all or nothing.
I'm pretty sure a bw pro at their peak would wreck sc2 pro playing this game mode.. simply because they would get control groups in addition to a lot of the bw timings that would just checkmate you if you dont have a prepared counter.
I would love to see a BW series.. I used to play it heaps back in the day. Admittedly i played mostly on the money maps, so minerals werent an issue and the zerg bases looked a lot like hatcheries next to hatcheries.. Mass production at its finest. Loved defending zerg bases with stacked lurkers... Manually placing them one at a time as close to each other as possible and its like a laser beam going through marines.. lol
Great video! I was wondering the whole time if I was enjoying the sound effects more because they were better in BW or because of nostalgia? Then you mentioned it, and I agree: BW just had better sound effects.
I played this mod over the weekend after all these videos came up and man did this mod leave BW hydras OP. They have 1 supply like Brood War but have the attack rate from standard SC2 as well as bonus damage to armored. They melt any air unit or armored unit on the ground so fast.
The level where you can challenge SC2 pros? Nah you're selling yourself short here. You gotta get to the level where you can challenge SC1 pros playing this mod.
Don’t waste irradiate on a single drone lol. Irradiate the other science vessel and hover it over the mineral lines. Or if you insist on irradiating a drone because you just have one science vessel then give it a defense matrix FIRST and then irradiate. Trust me, I’m an armchair bw expert ;P
i wouldnt be surpised if pros have a hard time vs this mod. it seems like there is so much rock paper scissor analysis done on such small mistakes and observations when scouting. dropping a pro in vs builds they wont know about and timings they cant predict will just be havoc.
if you enjoy irrediate, u should play eraser simulator, where u irradiate your own science vessel and just fly it over the drones. Your science vessel doesnt get damaged, while damaging all the drones it fly's over. very fun
I think the reason the old races seem really good is the people playing sc2 are probably doing so because they didn't play bw or are more comfortable with sc2, as soon as people get some games in and learn more they'll even up
To play the mod : find a regular map and select 'Create with mod' and then look for Evo Complete :) I've been playing a couple games with people in my Discord, feel free to join and find some games
Definitely play the Scion custom races mod. It's too good to ignore.
You never answered his personal question!
Easy to tell you were really enjoying these games. Next time you are BW Z, it would be cool to see how SC2 races handle cracklings.
The strat for Sci Vessels was to have at least a couple of them and irradiate each other while hovering over the mineral line. Since they are mech units, it doesn’t damage the Vessels, it wrecks havoc on the mineral line and lasts the entire irradiation time.
Check out Direct Strike ;) Standard has standard units, but Commanders have coop commanders and their units. Reavers are used by Artanis ;) And direct strike 3vs3 can be a cool format to play with other people.
Artosis, this is how you play SC1 Terran vs SC2 Zerg.
I was dying watching him yesterday.
His reaction when watching the games after was pretty interesting. I think noregret said it best... you basically have to play sc2 with sc1 units.
This is what star craft 3 should look like. Like 2-3 different shades of each of the three races. Brood war era terran could be Terran confederacy or United Earth Directorate, Brood war zerg under a 'neo overmind' etc.
Agreed.
This 100%
BW lair upgrades are burrow, antenna (+2 overlord sight upgrade), ventral sacs (transport) and pneumatised carapace (300% speed boost)
this content is blowing up on Starcraft YT lol, glad to see you playing it
Loved the video! Have to see this BW Mutalisk everyone always talks about!
MORE PLS this mod is fantastic, can't wait for the inevitable SC1 pros vs SC2 pros. Thermy we gotta see some 120 damage storm drops or plague + cracklings
Do the "eraser" next!!! Basically two science vessels irradiate each other and go over the drone lines, killing everything. And the spell damage is not enough to kill the vessels themselves.
MORE PLEASE, THIS IS AWESOME!
I am loving this, please keep them coming!
we are living in a timeline where we might get Flash Vs Serral in a final. let that sink in
You need to clip that reaver hit on the scvs for the lols!
This MOD is awesome, id love to see more of it, Peace
Get a couple of Sci Vessels and then irradiate your own Sci Vessel and fly them over whatever you want to kill.
Everything I've seen with this mod, the Brood War races dominate the SC2 races. Dark Archons with maelstrom with high templar psionic storm as a follow-up looked downright broken against SC2 zerg.
Brood War had more powerful units with game breaking abilities, but the difficulty in controlling everything balanced it out. When you take out that limitation, they dominate.
Ahhh the good old times! GG
Maru SC2 vs Flash SC1. Let's get it on!
More of this its awesome
More of this plz
Great content!
you can radiate the science vesel then fly in
Interaction! Hope this helps the algorithm promote you.
I wonder if this is at all balanced at a high level!
WHAT WAS THE PERSONAL QUESTION!
That double 360 no scope the scarab did before exploding those scvs was truly the most brood war thing ever
I think it was actually the second scarab that the reaver fired which exploded. XD
So the first shot did a double 360 no-scope and fizzled out while the second one just went straight in and blew up. Again, the MOST BROODWAR thing that could have happened.
"He asked me when I started losing my hair" such BM 😂
When did you, tho?
@@ParleLeVuhe said he started losing his hair at 18 and it was really bad at 23
@@TerrariaiOSTAIOS There are some 2012 pictures of uThermal on Liquipedia which would be at 17 with a full head of hair and the next one is 2015 which already shows significant balding. It goes really quickly sometimes.
@@imperialmarchinhumanbowels5726 Starcraft 2 is a stressful game
Ahh yes, i too started losing it in my 20s. Now in my late 40s.. i just shave the whole lot off. Bald with a Beard isnt so bad =P
The "eraser" strat would've been cool - when you irradiate another science vessel and just hover over the mineral lines
ABSOLUTELY! Please do it! A couple of science vessels irradiate each other and move over the mineral line, because the damage stacks but the mechanical science vessel don't take irradiate damage!
more SC1 vs SC2 good sir. this mod is very popular right now.
SC1 Zealots in SC2? OMG YES! BW Zealots are such beasts compared to SC2 Retail. I cannot wait to try them out! 😁
This is a dream. I love starcraft, brood war, play style and flavor but I love the starcraft 2 engine even more. This is a dream!
We want tournaments! SC1 + SC2 = SC3! Time for the community to revive the scene
My favorite thing about sc1 when I was a kid was clicking on the marine enough to make him swear, and the academy scream. I would listen to the academy scream over and over.
When I was young, I didn't know know what stim did, so I would just use it until all my units had 1 hp and then lose, cos medics didn't exist yet :(
I also didn't know what stim do, but I realized it reduced the HP of my units so I didn't use it, I didn't even research it, why would ANYONE use it, it is stupid, it reduced your units HP!!! :D
@@SzokynyovicsHahahah literally same, me as a kid: Wtf this ability just reduces the hp of the unit im never using it
@@SzokynyovicsDon’t do drugs, kids!
I believe that scream is a stock audio file used in a lot of movies and media, similar to the wilhelm scream, the academy scream is called the "Howie Scream"
I saw this mod on Winter's channel. The games were super entertaining. Been hoping to see you play it.
Science vessel to grandmaster when?
Let’s petition to make a custom ladder on this!
If you have two science vessels, they can irradiate each other and fly around the drones lol
Terran still imba asf
This is such an awesome idea! Now, competitions can go from 3 races to 6. making things a lot more interesting! and chaotic! I hope Blizzard sees this, and incorporates it.
Can we get JaeDong or Flash vs uThermal please?
Edit: jaedong and flash would obvs play with the BW mod and uthermal would play with the SC2 mod
This would be super hype
@@superepicproportions i agree but the comment didn't get much traction and so Marc won't see it
@uThermal The classic Science Vessel harassment vs. Zerg is Irradiating two Science Vessels and flying them over drones killing the whole mineral line pretty much instantly.
you should use the Broodwar Queen, use the parasite and broodling spells
Once again, kudos to the modding community of SC. This is bloody insane!
I believe that scream is a stock audio file used in a lot of movies and media, similar to the wilhelm scream, the academy scream is called the "Howie Scream"
Correct.
I remember playing SC1 and Brood War in High School with my friends, and I remember the old meta for 4v4 was both sides would buildup for some period of time and then just clash against eachother with BSs and Carriers. I remember making a ton of Science Vessels and my teamates getting mad at me for not making BCs... then the fight happens and i just EMP half the enemy carriers while defense matrixing a bunch of ally BCs and you could just see several rows of enemy carriers just instantly vaporize. I also made tons of Valkyrie and they would just delete whatever was left over.
The third Overlord upgrade from Brood War is Sight Range Increase.
guy who get that idea to make sc1 vs sc2 its damn genius!
uThermal doing anything remotely Broodwar related? Yes please. (If you do more of this, I don't suppose you could up the music a little bit? Original SC music is so good but I couldn't really hear it in this video)
New versus insane AI series with this? :P
Mass ghosts lock mass BCs/carriers please!!!!!
That reaver shot making laps around the scvs before exploding lmao
Yeah because he clicked on one in the middle of the pack, and it will only explode when it reaches its target. Got a laugh out of that
16:00 LOL WTF!!??
We need the BW nostalgia in game music!!!
Brood war has so many fun strategies; I remember making a bunch of science vessels irradiating all of them and then flying them over the mineral line like a zerg eraser. Not to mention the Valkyrie and long range Goliaths for anti air, just amazing - I hope you play more Terran brood war games!
The Academy sound is the Howie Scream. Another famous sound effect scream like the Wilhelm, recorded in the late 70s and used all over.
Let's see some wraith/siege tank/ghost push action!
I always felt the next thing Blizzard could have done was split the three factions the same way SINS of a Solar Empire did with "rebels" being the Brood Wars and "loyalists" being SC2.
Terran Raiders (TR) Terran Dominion (TD)
Zerg Overmind (ZO) Zerg Queen (ZQ)
Protos Khala (PK) Protos Scion (PS)
Arbitors. Now thats a name I haven't heard in.....
Super fun watching this man!!! Loved every second of it, please play more of this!
amazing. Long forgotten feeling of the game which looks fresh and exciting. Approach of the small balance upgrades instead of adding new stuff is just idiotic it kills all the fun.
Try StarCraft 2 plus, the concept is similar. For some units in normal games there will be an alternative from the first SC. You choose them at the start of the game.
I will not be satsified with this mod series until we see a Dark Archon rush. That was my favorite BW unit back in the day and it would thrill me to see thermie crush some n00bs with DAs.
This is the coolest thing I have ever seen! Please upload more of these:)
In BW, you make 9 drones at your first base, 7 at your natural, and 3 at your third base for the hydra bust.
I 100% want to see many many more vids just like this one, this was funny to watch at how strong BW was vrs what we have today!
I do want a follow up where you play sc2 vs sc1.
This mod is so good that it needs its own league.
Brood war is vastly superior to SC2
Yes please do more of this content! I feel this will draw a lot of players back to Starcraft!
more of this, this is great!
Have you always had chapters? Thank you for those! Yt lost my place and started me fresh.
Stimpack in Brood War is much stronger. It's +100% move and attack-speed, where it's only +50% in SC2.
That's why you feel the marines are so much stronger.
SC1 hydras appear weaker, but they make for suuuuch a strong army that is relatively cheap. Also, 50 drones is essentially a 5~6 hatch economy! SC1 zerg really doesn't need a lot of drones to have a booming eco. And no inject, so macro hatches are totally a thing!
Loved watching you play BW races. Please play more pro SC2 players. Maybe you can play SC1 Terran vs Harstem, i've seen his videos where he's playing this mod too.
Saw a comment on Artosis Casts about this mod and I am quite interested to try it out! My only wish is that the mod has SC1 Tank Sound FX. IMO The BW Tank sounded a lot more impactful and threatening when you hear that Chonky Transformation compared to SC2 😁
for a more realistic mod you should be able to slect only 12 marines at a time and then it sounds like a nice challenge :)
Reaver drops are completely OP in this game mode lol You should check Snow's Reaver drops in the recent SC1 v SC 2 showmatch on Afreeca😊
20:20 wdym, dragoons are literally the mainstay of BW protoss. Everything else just supplements to it. So you can never have too much dragoons, only too little of others.
Also, you forgot zealot speed from Citadel :D
This makes me want to see you go for a no (one) Queen build in SC2 for Zerg. Just litter the map with macro-Hatcheries and pump big armies and never run out of larvae.
This is great. I'd love to see an even more faithful reproduction of BW in the SC2 engine pick up steam like this (4 worker start with the same mining speeds and all). The simpler unit design is so cool, but the original engine is so annoying to interface with.
The overlord upgrade you didnt see is vision upgrade +1 on the range if I remember correctly. Its kind of sad you didnt make queens tho, they are incredible for harassment, they have broodlings and parasite ;)
oh wow lore accurate probe harass even in BW I've seen a probe harassing terran SCVs usually the probe wins because of them being ranged and can move shot
Dragoons were "all or nothing" from what I remember. They'd either durp around and be super frustrating or be absolute menaces obliterating everything. No middle ground in an encounter, all or nothing.
The overlord upgrades are: speed, sight range, and transport. IIRC, the only other upgrade on a BW hatch/lair/hive is burrow.
I'm pretty sure a bw pro at their peak would wreck sc2 pro playing this game mode.. simply because they would get control groups in addition to a lot of the bw timings that would just checkmate you if you dont have a prepared counter.
I would love to see a BW series.. I used to play it heaps back in the day. Admittedly i played mostly on the money maps, so minerals werent an issue and the zerg bases looked a lot like hatcheries next to hatcheries.. Mass production at its finest. Loved defending zerg bases with stacked lurkers... Manually placing them one at a time as close to each other as possible and its like a laser beam going through marines.. lol
Great video! I was wondering the whole time if I was enjoying the sound effects more because they were better in BW or because of nostalgia? Then you mentioned it, and I agree: BW just had better sound effects.
BroodWar units are so OP - you could go like marine-medic rush in minute 3-4 and have a quick win :)
I played this mod over the weekend after all these videos came up and man did this mod leave BW hydras OP. They have 1 supply like Brood War but have the attack rate from standard SC2 as well as bonus damage to armored. They melt any air unit or armored unit on the ground so fast.
The level where you can challenge SC2 pros? Nah you're selling yourself short here. You gotta get to the level where you can challenge SC1 pros playing this mod.
Don’t waste irradiate on a single drone lol. Irradiate the other science vessel and hover it over the mineral lines. Or if you insist on irradiating a drone because you just have one science vessel then give it a defense matrix FIRST and then irradiate.
Trust me, I’m an armchair bw expert ;P
What happens if a Dark Archon mind controls an opponent's worker, does it build Brood War or SC2 buildings?
you have perfectly encapsulated all the things i hate about SC2 zerg.. and makes me miss BW zerg
i wouldnt be surpised if pros have a hard time vs this mod. it seems like there is so much rock paper scissor analysis done on such small mistakes and observations when scouting. dropping a pro in vs builds they wont know about and timings they cant predict will just be havoc.
This was amazing. Seeing the Reaver scarab bug out and breakdance brought me right back to my childhood.
if you enjoy irrediate, u should play eraser simulator, where u irradiate your own science vessel and just fly it over the drones. Your science vessel doesnt get damaged, while damaging all the drones it fly's over. very fun
Super cool. Thanks for the ride back in time !! =))
I saw one game where the lack of warping BCs made it totally one sided for the SC2 terrans. I wonder if that's changed in the rebalancing.
Thermy, storms are insanely atrong with bw toss. I think it's 130 damage or something. HT sre nuts.
The amount of nostalgia coming from these OG portraits ❤ I'm gonna need my fix of broodwar
this is just total imbalance.. like every race is way better than the SC2 versions... its not even funny.
Terrible pathing AI on the Reaver scarabs is in fact very accurate to Brood War.
I think the reason the old races seem really good is the people playing sc2 are probably doing so because they didn't play bw or are more comfortable with sc2, as soon as people get some games in and learn more they'll even up
I've watched most of these games that have hit the utoob, and I think. . . BW spellcasters are overtuned.
That Science Vessel looks GORGEOUS!
Irradiate can target friendly units btw (unless it was changed in the mod). Harass drone lines like that :)