I’m glad Scott said it too, for many years I hear people use the word “linear” as objectively a bad thing “this game is linear therefore it’s bad” I don’t get it, not every game has to be an open world sandbox, linear is just another type of level design.
Final Fantasy X got hit with this "linear is bad" stigma for years and it's just stupid because FFX is genuinely a great game well worth playing, linear or not.
Yeah the original Skyward Sword release is just a better deal with the Music CD. And while the HD version is good, I feel like I would still rather play the Wii version because the motion controls feel more justified.
i found the traditional button controls to be a bit wonky at first but once I got the hang of them they felt really fluid with only a couple of hiccups here and there.
Good timing for this video as I finally beat SS last month after getting it for my birthday last year, and I had a blast. And while playing it, I noticed how that game served as like the building blocks for BoTW and ToTK.
I would disagree. This felt like a step back before contiuing forward. Like this game taught them what not to do. I am not a fan of the game but it is not a "bad game". BoTW actually shares more in common with the original Zelda on NES than any other Zelda game. It dropped you in a huge world with little to no guidance and said "forge your own path" and it was not afraid to be challenging. I will say though, Skyward Sword had some of the best dungeons in 3D Zelda period.@@Paco8478
I bought this last year on Switch. I went through it in three weeks. I pre-ordered this on Wii, and I'm glad I did. The soundtrack was awesome. Plus the guide helped me through it.
A big part why the motion controls "aren't as good" on Switch is because the sensor bar would re-center the gyroscope every once and a while causing any minor tracking issues to not build up over time. With the Switch their is no sensor bar and therefore no automatic re-centering meaning you have to manually re-center it almost every time you use an item.
Skywars Sword HD did improve quite a bit from the original. You have way faster/tighter dialogue to speed up the pace. You can skip cutscenes in new game compared to NG+ in the original. You can actually use traditional controls throughout the entire game which makes minigames and more difficult areas much more manageable. There is also just much faster load times. And last but no least, we finally get a 3d zelda game running at 60 fps and it does not really budge from that. The game runs like butter and the HD version made it enjoyable enough for me to actually do a back to back new game and hero mode run.
I beat Skyward Sword HD, but I was fighting against the controls the entire time. I didn't like the motion controls, and controlling the sword with the right analog stick was unnatural (same with the camera). In other Zelda games, I don't avoid engaging in combat, but in SS I found myself actively trying to avoid fighting enemies and sprint past them hoping that the game wouldn't force me to attack them to move on. There came a point where I just swung randomly with the right stick and hoped the enemy would die because I couldn't care less about what direction I was supposed to hit them. Also, it was a bit too linear and easy. I didn't care for the dungeons much; my favorite dungeons are usually the ones that take a lot of thought to beat, and I might get stumped multiple times. I didn't have any trouble figuring out the dungeon puzzles in Skyward Sword, so the dungeons didn't really stick out to me, but maybe they didn't stick out because I was too focused on the frustrating combat. Also, there was so much padding, flying was so boring, and the skies were so barren; the game is incredibly repetitive and formulaic (you revisit Eldin, Faron, Lanayru, and Thunderhead 3-4 times each which just got old). It's a 20-hour game spread over 30 hours. It's a 6/10 from me, it's decent, and there are parts I like, but I spent most of the game being frustrated, and nothing truly impressed me. It actually took me two years to beat, because I lost interest during my first playthrough. I can see what they were going for, but I probably won't play it ever again.
Motion control is better for the Joycons, just keep recentering. Switch doesn’t have a sensor bar, if you’re not recentering it’s gonna go off sync easier because of the lack of that add on. That’s probably why you think it’s worse if you’re not pressing that recenter button enough. Just recenter every time before you go into combat or aim. I never had a problem once I figured that out, and the motion felt more responsive and faster than Wii.
I still don't get how the center drifts so badly in the first place. I can see Yaw getting squirrelly but one of the easiest things you can do with a 6-axis accelerometer is figure out which way is down.
I played this game when it came out and honestly I did not have any of the issues with the controls. The motion controls with the Joy-cons worked perfectly with less than 5 times where I had an issue. While with the button controls, while it took time to get use to it, I did on the of the later temples just with them and had a blast.
I used to hate Skyward Sword, then I played the HD version with the Pro Controller and I actually learned to appreciate and love the game because I found the lack of motion to be much better.
The button controls made this game playable for me after 10 years of not playing it. I think it's a great game, and I'm happy that it got a second chance. Redeemed it for me.
I think it was the Digital Foundry review that showed it, but they did rework the textures like they did with Twilight Princess, plus a lot in the visuals were touched, but because of how the game looks, it is really hard to see these differences. That with the mechanical differences, arguably makes this have more effort and differences put into it than Wind Waker, which while looking completely different, it was more of a global change, than the case by case in this.
I finally beat this on hero mode. I like using button controls over motion. I did have a problem with holding L during breath of the wild afterward, but my brain got the hang of it. Also, it's my favorite Zelda. LTTP is a close second, and BOTW was amazing.
For anyone interested in making Skyward Sword HD the visually definitive way to play the game, Henriko Magnifico's got an HD upscaled texture pack for switch emulation(Yes, the switch not the wii) that basically remasters the entire game's visuals and it's coming soon!
Not sure if I am a sociopath but I played it on CEMU with an Xbox controller and I LOVED the controls lmfao. I had no trouble fighting, and it made boss battles really skillful. I really liked the game. I think its better than Wind Waker but below Twilight Princess by a bit.
The only problem I ever had with the original game was the damn beetle. It would not work for me, so I would have to take so so long just to do those puzzles every time. I couldn’t just buy another Wii remote plus for the price of a game when I was 12
Motion controls are just so unnecessary. There was nothing wrong with using buttons to swing your sword before. I don't care about immersion, I care about having fun.
I love the legend of Zelda! Skyward Sword,Breath of the wild,Tears of the Kingdom,and Spirit tracks are my favorite! The Legend Of Zelda Tears Of The Kingdoms is my favorite video game of all time!
Bought skyward sword for 25 at my local nostalgia store. It came with the orchestra cd. Way better use of money than the remake. Game still looks amazing on crt tvs
Yeah, youtube has created a lot of weird sycophantic echo chambers, particularly in the Nintendo gaming space. Some noteworthy ones include: 1) "Wii U was amazing in every way, it only failed because of marketing!" 2) "Skyward Sword is amazing in every way, people only didnt like it because of motion controls!" 3) "Mario Galaxy is much better than the sequel because the story is better!" 4) "The Wii is the best console ever because it sold really well!"
Twilight Princess HD didn’t add a new dungeon. It was just a series of fights as the wolf. And the wolf combat sucks so who would want to do that? Also it was locked behind the amiibo
I’m glad Scott said it too, for many years I hear people use the word “linear” as objectively a bad thing “this game is linear therefore it’s bad” I don’t get it, not every game has to be an open world sandbox, linear is just another type of level design.
Both have their merits.
Yeah but it’s strange for a Zelda game
I love linear design. Not a fan of open world.
Nothing wrong with linear design, and many games are better for it.
The problems with Skyward Sword go way beyond mere linearity.
Final Fantasy X got hit with this "linear is bad" stigma for years and it's just stupid because FFX is genuinely a great game well worth playing, linear or not.
Recently bought a copy of the og skyward sword that came with a cd for Like 25 bucks, absolute steal in my book.
Yeah the original Skyward Sword release is just a better deal with the Music CD. And while the HD version is good, I feel like I would still rather play the Wii version because the motion controls feel more justified.
Same.
I rather play Twilight Princess. Actually can skip cutscenes, and motion controls work better imo.
Also Fi is annoying
@@traviscunningham7062 Not really the point of the conversation, but thanks for sharing your viewpoint
I kinda wanna see the brilliant diamond and shining pearl review posted here cause it is so fucking funny how scott starts it.
i found the traditional button controls to be a bit wonky at first but once I got the hang of them they felt really fluid with only a couple of hiccups here and there.
4:25 This was great for Metal Gear Risings sword play but it was designed for that.
I’m one of those sociopaths that unapologetically loved it on Wii, but god damn is the switch one better.
I 100% agree with you, Scott! I absolutely adore skyward Sword.. not my favorite Zelda game, but a damn good one that gets too much hate, imo.
Good timing for this video as I finally beat SS last month after getting it for my birthday last year, and I had a blast. And while playing it, I noticed how that game served as like the building blocks for BoTW and ToTK.
I had that same feeling, kinda like the middle step between regular Zelda and the Open world Zelda
I would disagree. This felt like a step back before contiuing forward. Like this game taught them what not to do. I am not a fan of the game but it is not a "bad game". BoTW actually shares more in common with the original Zelda on NES than any other Zelda game. It dropped you in a huge world with little to no guidance and said "forge your own path" and it was not afraid to be challenging.
I will say though, Skyward Sword had some of the best dungeons in 3D Zelda period.@@Paco8478
Or super Mario 3D world
I bought this last year on Switch. I went through it in three weeks.
I pre-ordered this on Wii, and I'm glad I did. The soundtrack was awesome. Plus the guide helped me through it.
Honestly, with the HD QoL updates, this may be my favorite Zelda game.
A big part why the motion controls "aren't as good" on Switch is because the sensor bar would re-center the gyroscope every once and a while causing any minor tracking issues to not build up over time. With the Switch their is no sensor bar and therefore no automatic re-centering meaning you have to manually re-center it almost every time you use an item.
Skyward Sword HD is such an odd remaster. Every single improvement is nice, but they also make you think "that's it?"
Better then Sega’s glitchy mess of Sonic Colors Ultimate
As a side note, he never mentioned that fast travel was added but it’s locked behind an amiibo paywall
Because it’s not THAT convenient.
Skywars Sword HD did improve quite a bit from the original. You have way faster/tighter dialogue to speed up the pace. You can skip cutscenes in new game compared to NG+ in the original. You can actually use traditional controls throughout the entire game which makes minigames and more difficult areas much more manageable. There is also just much faster load times. And last but no least, we finally get a 3d zelda game running at 60 fps and it does not really budge from that. The game runs like butter and the HD version made it enjoyable enough for me to actually do a back to back new game and hero mode run.
I beat Skyward Sword HD, but I was fighting against the controls the entire time. I didn't like the motion controls, and controlling the sword with the right analog stick was unnatural (same with the camera). In other Zelda games, I don't avoid engaging in combat, but in SS I found myself actively trying to avoid fighting enemies and sprint past them hoping that the game wouldn't force me to attack them to move on. There came a point where I just swung randomly with the right stick and hoped the enemy would die because I couldn't care less about what direction I was supposed to hit them. Also, it was a bit too linear and easy. I didn't care for the dungeons much; my favorite dungeons are usually the ones that take a lot of thought to beat, and I might get stumped multiple times. I didn't have any trouble figuring out the dungeon puzzles in Skyward Sword, so the dungeons didn't really stick out to me, but maybe they didn't stick out because I was too focused on the frustrating combat. Also, there was so much padding, flying was so boring, and the skies were so barren; the game is incredibly repetitive and formulaic (you revisit Eldin, Faron, Lanayru, and Thunderhead 3-4 times each which just got old). It's a 20-hour game spread over 30 hours. It's a 6/10 from me, it's decent, and there are parts I like, but I spent most of the game being frustrated, and nothing truly impressed me. It actually took me two years to beat, because I lost interest during my first playthrough. I can see what they were going for, but I probably won't play it ever again.
Nailed it.
The irony is still with me to this day that Skyward Sword on the Wii was my first Zelda game. The first in the timeline.
So you didn’t miss out on anything Zelda related.
Motion control is better for the Joycons, just keep recentering. Switch doesn’t have a sensor bar, if you’re not recentering it’s gonna go off sync easier because of the lack of that add on. That’s probably why you think it’s worse if you’re not pressing that recenter button enough.
Just recenter every time before you go into combat or aim. I never had a problem once I figured that out, and the motion felt more responsive and faster than Wii.
I still don't get how the center drifts so badly in the first place. I can see Yaw getting squirrelly but one of the easiest things you can do with a 6-axis accelerometer is figure out which way is down.
Funny how he removed the eagle statue to get back to skyworld point he addressed.
I think he realized he said something dumb.
Wow, an actual snippet
This is a segment
Great segment!
Using the right thumbstick to swing the sword reminds me of Ape Escape controls... I do not like Ape Escape controls.
I really loved Skyward Sword, not gonna lie had zero issues with controls. Also the soundtrack was amazing.
I remember playing this on the original Wii in 2011/2012...my Wii motion plus died on me during the last boss fight.
I played this game when it came out and honestly I did not have any of the issues with the controls. The motion controls with the Joy-cons worked perfectly with less than 5 times where I had an issue. While with the button controls, while it took time to get use to it, I did on the of the later temples just with them and had a blast.
I used to hate Skyward Sword, then I played the HD version with the Pro Controller and I actually learned to appreciate and love the game because I found the lack of motion to be much better.
The button controls made this game playable for me after 10 years of not playing it. I think it's a great game, and I'm happy that it got a second chance. Redeemed it for me.
I think it was the Digital Foundry review that showed it, but they did rework the textures like they did with Twilight Princess, plus a lot in the visuals were touched, but because of how the game looks, it is really hard to see these differences. That with the mechanical differences, arguably makes this have more effort and differences put into it than Wind Waker, which while looking completely different, it was more of a global change, than the case by case in this.
I finally beat this on hero mode. I like using button controls over motion. I did have a problem with holding L during breath of the wild afterward, but my brain got the hang of it.
Also, it's my favorite Zelda. LTTP is a close second, and BOTW was amazing.
For anyone interested in making Skyward Sword HD the visually definitive way to play the game, Henriko Magnifico's got an HD upscaled texture pack for switch emulation(Yes, the switch not the wii) that basically remasters the entire game's visuals and it's coming soon!
Is it a mod or something?
??? but why would you do that... what??
Not sure if I am a sociopath but I played it on CEMU with an Xbox controller and I LOVED the controls lmfao. I had no trouble fighting, and it made boss battles really skillful. I really liked the game. I think its better than Wind Waker but below Twilight Princess by a bit.
Oh my god Skyward Sword is Metroidvania. It makes so much sense, but how did I never realize (obviously not actually but)
I liked Skyward Sword on Wii. The sword fights were a little awkward but using the items with motion controls was awesome in my opinion.
Thanks for the vid. I'm sticking to the original then 😁
Im impressed scott got as far as the ancient cistern in ss. Usually he gives up during the tutorial
The motion controls were actually better for me on switch. I'm in the group that had endless issues with the motion controls on the original wii.
0:25
"This isn't the Nintendo I grew up Loving"
Yeah because you weren't paying attention back then"
Yup, that's what he said in the video
Holy sh*t, now Skyward Sword!
I bought this for less than a used copy of the original. Seems just fine.
one long snippet lol
Huh, I made a timestamp for this very part on the Switch's Fifth Year video.
The only problem I ever had with the original game was the damn beetle. It would not work for me, so I would have to take so so long just to do those puzzles every time. I couldn’t just buy another Wii remote plus for the price of a game when I was 12
Used button controls and prefer it actually never again to motion controls
Motion controls are just so unnecessary. There was nothing wrong with using buttons to swing your sword before. I don't care about immersion, I care about having fun.
“The game is good!” No tf it’s not lmao
I love the legend of Zelda! Skyward Sword,Breath of the wild,Tears of the Kingdom,and Spirit tracks are my favorite! The Legend Of Zelda Tears Of The Kingdoms is my favorite video game of all time!
It’s nowhere near as bad as Zelda 2, but it’s probably still one of the worst ones.
Bought skyward sword for 25 at my local nostalgia store. It came with the orchestra cd. Way better use of money than the remake. Game still looks amazing on crt tvs
Graphics so bad
Amazing when people argue that the best game series ever created shouldnt be $60...
The point has completely flown over your head. The game is not in question, its the half ayassed graphical and technical improvements that suck.
@@LEXICON-DEVIL Contradicted yourself. The game is "not in question" but you list its problems?
@@radicalunar Then it should flop
The original Super Mario Bros. is one of the best games ever created, I guess that warrants them re-releasing it for $60
@@crazynaut223 I said "game series", not game.
Skyward Sword was never good and Skyward Sword HD was bs ngl and Scott was the first one with the balls to say both.
Yeah, youtube has created a lot of weird sycophantic echo chambers, particularly in the Nintendo gaming space.
Some noteworthy ones include:
1) "Wii U was amazing in every way, it only failed because of marketing!"
2) "Skyward Sword is amazing in every way, people only didnt like it because of motion controls!"
3) "Mario Galaxy is much better than the sequel because the story is better!"
4) "The Wii is the best console ever because it sold really well!"
I didn’t like Skyward Sword. It was my 2nd least favorite 3D Zelda game behind Majora’s Mask.
Gay
Twilight Princess HD didn’t add a new dungeon. It was just a series of fights as the wolf. And the wolf combat sucks so who would want to do that? Also it was locked behind the amiibo