Felix is way more calm and less dogmatic than last appearance. He has a newborn and can’t attend the Adventist indoctrination center as much, and may be considering the effects of Adventism on his child in years to. I look 👀 forward to hearing his Christian testimony in the future.
That testimony won't be there because Christ is coming soon and judgement has to take place that stupidity of boosting will cease from earth with your evil doctrine
@@okwijames947 Your evil doctrine you say? "The everlasting gospel was preach by Noah, by Abraham, by Paul and Peter and apostles of past ages, It was preached in the setting appropiate to their day. We cannot preach this gospel message as Noah preached it, or as Paul or Luther gave it The apostle Paul preached of righteousness and temperance and of judgement to come. We cannot preach preach the judgment of God as the apostle. " Review and Herald April 1 1890 Your denomination is the real evil one
This highlights a thing that was always in the back of my mind when I was young in the SDA church. If eating meat is wrong why did Jesus feed multitudes on two occasions with loaves of bread and fish? Everything you went through so succinctly with this gentleman has clarified multiple points that I was raised on. The way you laid out the plain truths using the Bible was so clear- it’s like I was studying the Bible for the first time (no filter). I’m still finding my way and I really appreciate these episodes especially one clear and concise where all involved actually admit the truths they see in a scripture are real. Thank you to you both for helping me learn more about the life of Jesus and what God is really says in his word😌
As a little kid I remember seeing the "standing without a mediator" quote, in church. That fear was inscribed on my eyes. That quote was my first encounter with contradiction in the system. Albeit I was too little to sort out the issue. But I never forgot. (Former)
I want to make a comment, but I don’t hardly know what to say. First of all for sure I want to say thank you for your program. I do love the way you would logically approach these questionable statements coming from Ellen White.. you seem to have a way of getting the truth brought forward. Having sat under SDA age teachings for about five years now, and having a strong Baptist background all the words that I’ve been said, and you seem to me like they were right in line, but I didn’t look behind the screen. I didn’t bother to dig in, but when things began to really feel off and out of wine, I didn’t quite know what to think. I just knew something didn’t seem quite right and you have helped me to know how to Look deeper and look what’s being in the shadows and being covered up by some fancy words that seem to say what I am thinking, but they are thinking some thing different and those are the things that I began to pick up on and say wait a minute something doesn’t seem right, so I began to question it then I began to ask God to show me and then I’ve found you! thank you again you are a wise young man, and you are appreciated by me. Keep up the good work help people to see beyond the little screen that they have to see with the hidden truths are behind some of their flowery words.
This went really well! PRAISE JESUS for the freedom we have in Him! l never even knew that SDA's had such a strange ''prophet'' when l listened to Veith. l just listened to him explore the end times stuff ....and it sounded good to me. Especially the hell issue! xD Thank you Myles.
@@BibleSnackables Q: Why did the turkey cross the road, fall in a mud puddle, then go back across to where it started? A: Because it was a dirty double-crosser!
Great discourse, Miles 👍. Continue yr great work. I left Adventism this year and can't believe i was so brainwashed to see Ellen White different from Joseph Smith and all other cult leaders
“ I guess Jesus wasn’t a very good follower of Ellen White…)” love that he said this. Honest guy, appropriate response. This is not something that anyone can argue with because that’s exactly what becomes clear when SDA doctrines are laid out against actual scriptural truths.
@@okwijames947 lol I don't have to defend Sunday when God already defended it you ignorant Adventist! When do you think the Resurrection and the Holy Spirit was given to the church, you unbelieving Judaizer?
I must say, it's refreshing to hear someone in the Adventist camp being so polite and willing to listen, as well as Myles using such a civil tone. This is what discussions should be like, not the kind of angry tooth-gnashing that the resident trolls who infest the comment section making all sorts of outlandish false accusations of Myles do on every video he releases...
Thats all u got from Myles vidéo? Why u EVADE false prophet ellen equating eating meat, coffee, TEA, having sexualité relation with ur spouse as a SIN. HOW HYPOCRITICAL CAN U SDA'S BE?
@@charnelallan7159 Who are you calling SDA? I'm one of the loudest voices in the comment section AGAINST them, as you would know if you paid any attention at all. Why are you spewing hateful attacks against people who are against the SDAs and falsely accusing them, just because they happen to appreciate the civil tone between Myles and the person he was speaking with in the video? You're as bad as the SDA trolls who attack Myles are. Good day!
@@charnelallan7159 If I'm SDA, why did I post the following reply to an SDA comment in the comments of this very video? "If non-Sadventists used Sadventist "logic", we would say... The seven-headed beast is the seventh-day "sabbath" (and, by extension, legalistic fixation on the dead laws of the Old Covenant) and the impure woman riding it is the false "prophetess", Ellen G. White. The mark of the beast is to obsess over others not worshipping on the same day they do, in direct violation of the Scriptures, including the entire Book of Galatians, Romans 14:5-6, and Colossians 2:8-21."
@@charnelallan7159 Here's another reply I made on this comment thread 3 days ago: "For Sadventists, it's the exact opposite. The 5% truth Ellen G. White mixed in with her 95% untruth makes all of Sadventism "true" in their eyes..." That would be a rather strange thing for someone who was SDA to post, no?
I know several SDA men both dead and alive who, because of Ellen's "light" do not/did not consume enough protein in their diet. The three that are alive are literally wasting away. I told one of their wives that they need to start eating grass fed grass finished meats and fish. They laugh at me because I'm the community heretic. But after my father died of colon cancer being a strict vegetarian, I have new perspectives.
Sad, but I’ve heard this from numerous people. Most SDAs I know don’t even understand that not all proteins are created equal nor does the body view them as such. They’ll say you can replace meat with beans and think your body will still get the same nutrients. The “health message” is just as poisonous for the body as their doctrine is for the soul.
Ellen G. White's "health message" has been as harmful to humanity as the ancient Greek physician Hippocrates' "theory of humors", which encouraged treating illness by bloodletting to "balance the humors" was. Too many Sadventists got into the business of being dieticians and gained an undue influence over which foods are considered "healthy". The ruinous "food pyramid" that was the dominant "healthy diet" in popular culture was a direct result of this.
Ug I love them quoting Christ healing vs. their Health message, especially since they once upon a time were all about the Charisms as far as EGW and the gift of prophecy goes, but have never had any Healing Evangelist, Healing miracles etc. even though that was one sign of the "Remnant Church" when you look at the Great Commision, and the book of Acts and Epistles. Their version of this is some kind of weird vegetarian form of the Social Gospel.
It makes me sick to hear SDA pastors deceiving their members preaching EGW visions to their congregants just so that they can receive a paycheck at the end of the month
Unfortunately, the abomination of desolation will soon come to the SDA church. As a current member of the SDA church who not openly admits that EGW is a false prophet for the sake of our youth members, speaking here as a youth director, the church will indeed collapse for teaching the wrong Gospel. The church will not change, but there's nothing else to do but to pray for those true genuine Christians within SDA, so that when the time of desolation comes, they truly hold on to Jesus Christ who is the true Gospel.
@@JanASoto-du7ej _"for those true genuine Christians within SDA"_ If that is the case, there must be true Christians also in Islam and Buddhism. _"they truly hold on to Jesus Christ who is the true Gospel."_ You have not the faintest idea of what the true gospel is.
@@nonconformist4802 it is indeed true that many SDA believe the false prophet Ellen G White is the “spirit of prophecy” and the Spirit of Prophecy is the testimony of Jesus (Rev. 19). This thus lead us to conclude that in order to get to Christ one must accept EGW, thus EGW is the way the truth and the live, no one gets to Christ if not through EGW. This is a false gospel, this is not Christian. Evidently you are emotional about people talking down on the cult that we both belong to. I cannot do anything else but to pray that you come to realize that the SDA needs to return to the sola scripture which will never happen. If Jesus is not the true Gospel and you just accused me of not knowing the Gospel even though I clearly stated that Jesus Christ is the Gsopel, then your Gospel is indeed not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@@JanASoto-du7ej I do assume that you have missed my previous statement. Your words was: _"they truly hold on to Jesus Christ who is the true Gospel."_ You have repeated it again - _"I clearly stated that Jesus Christ is the Gospel"_ This you have said before you deleted it, after you had accused me of "emotional what ever" My original respond was: "You have not the faintest idea of what the true gospel is." And no, I don't belongs to your cult, I don't know what have convinced you that rubbish. Now we take it a step further, get your big boy pants on and give me scripture that supported your statement. And no, not twisted assumptions, seen in this light or what your deflection maybe will be. Let the Bible do the talking and not pope Ellen. I am waiting.
Did you ever think of this Myles , the sda teach sinless perfection right ? They would assume that someone like Doug bachelor would be closer to that level than most people however these pastors are the most sinful because they lie through their teeth and they are so prideful they cannot and will not accept correction that is so clearly Pointed out !
There is indeed some aspect of the Atonement to this. But I see this more about the Curse of the Fall, that Adventism generally denies. Healing is a grace in and of itself but a kind of sign and token of the greater gift of salvation for our eternal souls that we have in Christ.
My father was an Adventist health evangelist. No BLT sandwiches for us growing up. The Adventist concept of purification by diet is unbiblical and is self righteousness.
The sda who comment in the comment section truly are an example of dunning Kruger effect . Look it up . Please SDA stop talking you don’t realize how silly you sound .
As the child of a pioneer Adventist health evangelist I can testify that Adventists that are all in on Ellen’s health message are fanatical. My father ate two means per day because Ellen said so, and Saturday meals were small and plain. Cultic doctrine can override common sense and biblical truth. How much more plain and forthright could Jesus be? Food consumption does not defile a man. I love what BK the apologist says,” You mean I can’t study my Bible and learn while eating a hot dog?
“And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.” (Mrk 12:30) so if you cherish a habit that diminishes the strength of your mind or body you transgress this commandment.
@@FraeDen The second half of your statement is 100% pure SDA assymptions with zero scriptural back up. For your SDA fake jesus is guilty for exactly that what you mentioned here.
In all respect, Adventists need to take a step back, put aside the bravado and study church history. Ive realised that most of their doctrines have been addressed as heterodox by the collective "church" for the last 2000 years. Christianity didn't start with Ellen White; there's more to christianity than the Catholic v SDA conflict. Study what theologians in the early centuries, before Constantine, believed and contrast that to after to distinguish if Constantine actually changed anything, or did he simply facilitate the growth of Christianity across the Byzantine Empire. Jesus didn't give us a book, he gave us a Church, as much as we want to say the Bible is our sole infallible rule of faith, it belongs within the Christian Tradition as whole and thus an infallible book must be interpreted by an infallible body of people (synodally) under guidance of the Holy Spirit. This is why in 1 Timothy 3:15 Paul expresses that the Church is "the pillar and ground of Truth" which is our normative authority in interpretation, there is ONLY one truth. To suggest such a "church" has been lost implies that God himself has abandoned the church and there's no basis for truth. I implore SDAs just to consider further historical study that doesn't just fuel the confirmation bias.
@ if 95% of a railroad track is good and 5 % is not , the train will derail . If The SDA doctrine was 95% true it may be concealable , but it is way less true than that . And a lot are waking up by the grace of God and start joining a Bible based Church 🙏
@@TheDredog59 95% is a very optimistic number to mentioned when the integrity of the SDA is mentioned. 5% truth sounds more realistic, with a 95% flat out satanic twisted whirlpool of doctrines.
No wonder satan blinded them with the sabbath, the moment the gambling machine tilt, the screen show - sabbath/sabbath/sabbath and at that momment everybody not Adventism became Babylon.
@okwijames947 My first year as a SDA, a pastor of a sister church got an unmarried girl pregnant. Want to hurl more accusations? Why should we listen to an amalgamated beast anyway?
It’s like traveling and finding two different routes, but trying to take both at the same time…. Which is why I try to debate with them and they seem to point only one part of the Bible and discard all 66 Books😄😄😄
@@mrnelsonmandelamark You are the group that divides Old and New Testament instead of using the entire Bible. I will debate the scriptures (all 66 of them) with you anytime.
This particular episode is very cut and dry, the scripture presented clearly contradicts Ellen as far her statements linking sex and food to spiritual health. Any ex Adventists ever hear of Neil Nedley? He lends ‘medical’ weight to Ellen’s statements . I’d like to see another doctor’s analysis of his claims.
There are plenty of doctors and men of science that agree on the subject of meat eating and promote a healthy vegetarian diet. How can you not see that whatever we do eat or drink affects our body and spirit? Why do you think the Bible says: “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.” (Mrk 12:30, KJV) All our faculties can be affected by our habits.
@FraeDen I ask again, where in scripture does it say eating meat, coffee, tea, butter , pickles , fish or pepper weaken the body? As for doctors , the real ones , they emphasize a balanced diet, fruits and vegetables, sure , but they never forbid meats , maybe a reduction in the typical American diet , but no prohibition. And again was Jesus sinning by eating and cooking fish for others, eating lamb as any Jew would? Making alcohol at a wedding? And declaring no food unclean. So in placing heavy loads on other Christians by forbidding meat or other foods , you are calling Jesus a liar.
What the heretic is saying is you have a limited gospel, and he is here to tell you about the expanded present truth gospel message. You are as spiritual as he is. He has deeper spiritual knowledge than you. Adventists are proud people. Beneath the smile and handshake and free veggie sandwiches lies a heart of pride. You are inferior to an Adventist- you need to hear and live the last days remnant church gospel.
That is an accurate concise description, I’ve seen it, still know some of them… when you are “in the circle” they talk openly about their self perceived “righteousness”.
@@answeringadventism yeah, he was humble and quite different than the last time he appeared sporting the Major League Baseball logo. I root for him to escape the Adventist trap. I’m a baseball freak and a 35 year umpire who umpires 350 games per year. But that’s meaningless; I just remember the MLB logo. He’s on his way to Liberty. I should have been more precise with my language. Adventist teaching is Christians have not embraced the full gospel message. Christians are not as advanced as Adventists. Adventists usually display a sense of superiority. I hope the birth of his child motivates him to take seriously raising his child in a healthy vibrant Christian fellowship, with a rock solid pastor- teacher. His life will be revolutionized. My bad for not being more precise with language. What a great day it will be when he comes back on with a powerful testimony.
@@Say-hey24Moreover, woe to any child who has to go through adolescence knowing the IJ. For my daughter, it was the cause of much anxiety and depression, to the point of despondency to Adventism and much angry outbursts. True healing came when we accepted the full imputation of Christ's righteousness and acceptance of his finished work. And that there's nothing we can do to improve or maintain our standing with God. While at the same time the Holy Spirit works and bears fruit
{{Mat 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses. }} Right off the bat, what kind of nonsense is that, this verse has nothing to with Pauls gospel, that verse was for when Jesus was on the earth to show he was the messiah to the Jews, Jesus gospel is not Pauls gospel, they need to be divided, we are under Pauls gospel......... WOW the SDA are messed up........
robertbaker231 Did you listen to the post? Or are you just trolling? Feel free to take the scripture shown and contradict it! Go on! We’re waiting. Show us from scripture that meat poisons the blood, show us that sex with one’s wife has to be minimized from scripture. If you don’t respond, then please never respond again, as you will prove you really don’t value scripture but instead cling to your Ellen tradition.
Myles stop inviting people that are new to the faith and stop pretending u are calm because u knew his stand .Go for the people from ADL😂😂😂or pastor Anthony and see how u will be barking
😂😂😂 This was from an open mic. I didn’t invite anyone. It was open to anyone. But yeah, good one. It’s hilarious how anytime someone discusses with an Adventist and Adventists aren’t satisfied with the persons performance Adventists immediately deem them to be “new” and uninformed. Lol “Stop pretending u are calm” Yeah, cope harder. I wasn’t “pretending” you tool of Satan. We were having a chill discussion.
@@answeringadventism 😂😂 really go check ur videos and come back and tell me who is the tool of Satan .u are funny, people have gone ahead of u and they did worst but God's church is and will still stand .nothing is new to us by God's grace we are aware of things that will happen till Christ come
@MargaretAshigbadi GOD'S CHURCH PREACH CHRIST COMPLETED ATONEMENT. GOD'S CHURCH DONT DIMINISH THE DEITY OF CHRIST TO ARCHANGEL MICHAEL. GOD'S CHURCH HAS THE SEAL OF GOD "THE HOLY SPIRIT". GOD'S TEACH JUSTIFICATION IS BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH APART FROM THE LAW. GOD'S CHURCH DONT ADVOCATE TO MOVE TO THE COUNTRY TO AVOID THE PHANTOM SUNDAY LAW. DONT WORRY GOOGLE EARTH WILL STILL FIND U LIVING IN THE COUNTRY.
0:26 "It's not a debate" yet puts debate as the thumbnail 1:30 Invited the guest on without preparation 3:40 Asked for his preferred translation of the Bible, and then... 6:10 Switched to your preferred version for the text. 9:39 Lying against Ellen Whites quotes. I agree with her and this is what she actually said: "Sexual excess will effectively destroy a love for devotional exercises, will take from the brain the substance needed to nourish the system, and will most thoroughly exhaust the vitality" (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 2, p. 478). One of the fruits of the spirit is self-control. I can't believe you talk this way and have a following of ex-adventists. Let's continue. 11:44 - 13:44 "He's not saying here if you're married don't have sex" lol. When you view marriage as only a sexual contract you only defend sex when reading Pauls writings. Marriage is a spiritual union between 1 man and 1 woman by God, and the family is the devil's number one target. Satan's number one weapon used is misinformation and manipulation which this channel promotes. Hard to get through this but let's continue lol. 15:55 This is what Ellen G. White actually said; "It is a sin to be intemperate in eating, drinking, sleeping, or seeing. This sin rests upon many professed Christians." (Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 44). Paul says "Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable." 1 corinthians 9 : 25 ESV. This is hard to get through because of the denial of context lol. 20:15 Verse 1st corinthians 8 : 13 "so Paul ate meat" lol. Paul states he would abstain from eating meat if it might lead a weaker believer to sin, particularly in the context of meat offered to idols. This suggests he was willing to forgo meat for the sake of others’ spiritual well-being. Same as in Romans 14 : 21. Let's try to understand the context, Why is Paul making the claim that eating meat will make a weaker believer "Stumble"? 1. Feeling guilty about eating meat believing it was sinful. 2. more directly he said when the weaker believer is tempted to compromise their conscience by eating it, thus sinning against their own convictions, Romans 14 : 23: "But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin" ..ESV A weaker believer might imitate the actions of a stronger believer without fully understanding, leading them to act against their conscience and feel they are participating in idolatry. That why the weaker believer is described as only eating vegetables. Paul literally says it on neutral ground. If you eat meat and cause your brother to stumble its a sin, or.., if you eat meat and defile your conscience it's a sin. The actual Adventist health message abtains from Meat eating for health reasons, and understanding there are Clean and unclean meats which the bible lists in Leviticus 11. Temperance in all things regardless of your Diet. I might add that paul isn't defending eating unclean meats that are listed in the Levitical laws. The words used to describe 'unclean' in Hebrew and Greek both have different meanings, and Paul never nullifies God's Objective law. Even when Paul said to buy what was sold in "the meat markets", it still only meant the meat offered to idols. Not to be bothered Subjectively. Etc. Etc. I can't get through the whole video but it's interesting.
WHEN WILL U SDA'S LEARN. UR PROVING WITH UR COMMENTS U R NOT NO REMNANT. U SAID MYLES IS CHOOSING ADVENTIST WHO R NOT PREPARED? PREPARED FOR WHAT. SUBSCRIBING TO A DÉNOMINATION WOULD LOGICALLY MEAN U BELIEVE IN WHAT THE DÉNOMINATION AFFIRMS. OR DO U EVEN KNOW? MYLES HAVE MADE AN OPEN INVITATION TO ADVENTISM APOLOGIST TO COME ON BUT GUESS WHAT THEY ONLY BARK ON THEIR PODCAST BECAUSE THEIR GULLIBLE AUDIENCE APPLAUD THEIR PROOFTEXT METHOD OF APOLOGETICS. ELLEN IS THE CRYPTONITE OF ADVENTISM HER THUS SAYETH THE LORD HERATICAL QUOTES R COMING BACK TO BITE U SDA'S..DEAL WITH IT
LEVITICUS 11? ISNT THAT A CÉRÉMONIAL LAW WHICH ADVENTISM CLAIMS WERE NAILED TO THE CROSS ? WHY THE INCONSISTENCY ? ADVENTISM IS A BIBLICAL DESERT. U BETTER RUN. AND STOP MAKING EXCISES FOR FAKSE PROPHET ELLEN
@ This is an open invitation for you and Myles to see right now, that We’d love to have him on “Adventist Defense League.” TH-cam channel. They’re more than willing to give him weeks to prepare his thoughts and find scripture to prove his ideas. I know Myles and you as a witness will see this comment. But of course you won’t say anything about it, and he won’t do anything about it. If you’ve found justification for a false doctrine in this video when in the first 15 minutes I replied and proved everything wrong, even the guest did as well as I wrote in my comments; That’s your own interpretation. The guest wasn’t prepared and still proved Myles wrong from what they’ve studied. This is why you have to understand who you’re following. You’re itching ears are a description what Roman’s 16 says about the false teachers; “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.” Romans 16:17-18 ESV Don’t be naive. Think.
EARLY WRITINGS PG 276 GOD CANNOT TAKE TO HEAVEN THE SLAVE WHO HAS BEEN KEPT IN IGNORANCE AND DEGRADATION KNOWING NOTHING OF GOD AND THE BIBLE LEARNING NOTHING BUT HIS MASTERS LASH AND HOLDING A LOWER POSITION THAN THE BRUTES BUT HE DOES THE BEST THING FOR HIM THAT A COMPASSIONATE GOD CAN DO HE PERMITS HIM TO BE AS THOUGH HE HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN @@1stMikeWhite
First give us evidence that your cult do actually believe what the Bible has to say, before using it in the same manner as satan. For your church has published it that the Bible carried no authority.
@@Donatello-b4x Sure....I take it as the life and physical health of which we have a direct influence on. We can either add to or take away from it with our actions, habits or lifestyle. Her comments on England "invading" the US was obviously conditional. There are some examples of conditional prophecies in the Bible too.
@21divel 'conditional' LOL. So when it happens it is the voice of God but if it doesn't then that's 'conditional' because of someone else's actions. Absurd.
Miles: There are two NT texts which make TWO WITNESSES that believer are NOT to eat MEAT SACRIFICED TO IDOLS: Acts 15:29: "You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols" & Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, ***to eat things sacrificed unto idols*** ____ The final word in the NT about "eating meat sacrificed to idols" come in Revelation. Can you explain how the Jerusalem Council, which included ALL THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS, in Acts 15, & John in Rev. 2:14 got this wrong when they plainly state that this practice was not in agreement with the teaching of the Apostles therefore heaven's commandments? So you weight Paul's single testimony (it could actually be an interpolation) against ALL THE HAND PICKED APOSTLES OF MESSIAH??? This is one example where the Biblical principle of "Two or Three Witnesses" confirm the truth. Currently what you are teaching on this subject is NOT TRUTH. IT IS CLEARLY AGAINST THE HAND PICKED APOSTLES, AND MESSIAH'S MESSAGE in the book of REVELATION!
@@mbrown6837 🤦♂️🤦♂️ Literally none of that proves your guys’ silly health message is a part of the gospel message. Which was the thesis of this discussion. The gospel is the “power of God for salvation to all that believe it.” Furthermore, you should really stop and examine your handling of the Bible when you create contradictions with other parts of the scripture based on your interpretation of any given passage. So now Paul contradicted Luke, according to you, because Paul said believers aren’t sinning if they eat meat sacrificed to idols. “So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.”-1 Corinthians 8:4-8 So great job twisting Acts 15 and creating contradictions. In fact, this pericope disproved your guys’ entire “health message” because clearly Paul says good doesn’t bring you closer to God. And he didn’t tell them to not eat meat at all. He said if someone does eat meat sacrificed to idols, if they don’t have a guilty conscience about it, they’re fine. It’s the guilt conscience and going against such that is the problem. Not meat. But according to you, he should have said people shouldn’t be eating meat at all. This evidences your handling of Acts is incorrect and you clearly don’t understand what you’re citing from.
WHY R U NOT ANGRY WITH ELLEN? SHE SAID EATING MEAT IS A SIN. YET SHE ATE VENISON, OYSTERS ETC. REALLY DID SHE HAVE TWO OR THREE WITNESSES TO HAVE THIS BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS? REALLY U SDA R VERY DISHONEST
@@answeringadventism Stop accusing me of supporting a "Health Message". I do not support any such thing. I don't even really know what all it entails. I am not an SDA. So you have made yourself a LIAR & FALSE ACCUSER! That is SIN, in case you didn't know. Since you publicly LIED and made FALSE ACCUSATION, it is your obligation to REPENT PUBLICLY for your SIN! -------------- Miles:Have you ever read Acts 15 without preconceived ideas, ever read ALL THE NT COUNSEL regarding this subject??? Why are you assuming that Paul's message could overrule the HOLY SPIRITS', commandment and the message John got from heaven? Yes in Acts 15:28, it states that the ***HOLY SPIRIT*** is the source of the commandment relayed by Apostles & Elders at the Council of Jerusalem to give the command in vs 29 : "But you should NOT EAT anything offered to idols." --------- In Revelation there are TWO verses which address the same SIN: Revelation 2:14 In this verse, an angel rebukes a church for holding the teachings of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to ***eat food sacrificed to idols.*** Revelation 2:20 In this verse, an angel rebukes the church of Thyatira for tolerating a prophetess who led their servants to ***eat food sacrificed to idols.*** Read your BIBLE, include the WHOLE COUNCIL OF GOD! When there is a disagreement in texts, the majority view is generally the correct one. There could be textual errors in the other. If you choose to only accept what you believe Paul wrote (it could actually be an interpolation), vs those 3 other texts, Tell us WHY you refuse to believe the message from the Holy Spirit in Acts 15:28 & John in Rev. 2:14 & 2:20?
@@charnelallan7159 Obviously not. The Holy Spirit gave the commandment in Acts 15. to the Elders & Apostles. John noted the same disapproval of eating "meat sacrificed to idols" in his vision of heaven, in Rev. 2, TWICE. If you want to comment, why don't you show your scriptural expertise and make a constructive scriptural comment, or can you? Maybe frivolous comments are all you are able to do...
You are so deluded by your own sophistries that you do not see the great controversy theme is all over the Bible. Your reformed view about predestination works as a misty cloud covering the truth and distorting greatly the image of God. You say it is the belief of millions of Christians and its true but this ain’t no valid argument.
Christians have done just fine without the additions and complications of Ellen’s writings. Only in America would we have a group of people who think the US is so central to God’s plans . It makes no sense that after almost 2000 years , God would completely change His plan of salvation by having an uneducated preacher disobey Jesus by predicting His return , then supposedly giving visions that totally contradict His word to a self aggrandizing woman who would then write a book that again distorts the Bible by creating an extra biblical pre history narrative the vast majority of Christ followers in the world know nothing about .
The opening sentence is an empty ad hominim attack. Such attacks can be recognized and proven because they can easily be turned around on the one who uses them, exposing their complete lack of substance. For example... "You are so deluded by Ellen G. White's sophistries that you do no see that the great controversy theme is nowhere to be found in the Bible, but is read into it by twisting a handful of prooftexts to fit the false teachings of Ellen G. White, who made unfounded claims about her own supposed "revelations" about Scripture." For the record, I do NOT hold to "reformed theology" in any way, shape or form. However, any distortions it may inflict on God's Image and the truth are no greater than those of Sadventism...
@ Maybe you don’t, but Miles does. Have you read his article “What does the Adventist Church teach about election?” On his website? Your reaction holds an easy argument to avoid delving into Miles writings which reveal through which lenses he looks at Scripture and SDA. I also invite you to read “Did God predetermine our salvation” by Dr. Erwin Gane. My comment has nothing to do with EGW. The book of Job is more than sufficient to convince everybody of the fact that the GCT is central to the Bible.
@@jsimoes9424 The pre-history narrative is in Revelation 12. The reasons for the controversy are explained in Isaiah 14:12-16 and Ezechiel 28:13-17. The war was ended at the cross but the enemy has not accepted his defeat so “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:” (1Pe 5:8, KJV) You reason that because EGW says things that are not explicitly mentioned in the Bible she must be a false prophet. First, to say something that is not explicitly in the Bible does not mean that it is against what the Bible teaches. Prophets oftentimes presented scenes that were not found in the scriptures which existed in their time. Take for example the scenes in Daniël 7. Luke quotes Paul: “I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.” (Act 20:35, KJV) Can you find these words of the Lord Jesus in the gospels? No! So are Luke and Paul false prophets? Where in the preceding writings do you find the information John provides in the book of Revelation? Where do you find descriptions like in chapter 4 and 5? So if a prophet draws away a curtain that was not drawn away before and make us see things that where not seen before is he then a false prophet? No! So your argument concerning EGW showing us things that were not revealed in Scripture is not valid. If it were you would have to reject all prophets. Only if a prophet comes with so called new revelations which are contrary to the clear teachings of the Bible only then you can reject the prophet. Of course if you look to the Bible through the lenses of a theology that contains serious defects it will be very hard for you to rightly judge a prophet.
Why would any adventist want to debate an uneducated Bible deceiver Myles knows the Bible like Catholics know the Pope it's just an argument point what is his religion 🤣 sarcastism
What the heretic is saying is you have a limited gospel, and he is here to tell you about the expanded present truth gospel message. You are as spiritual as he is. He has deeper spiritual knowledge than you. Adventists are proud people. Beneath the smile and handshake and free veggie sandwiches lies a heart of pride. You are inferior to an Adventist- you need to hear and live the last days remnant church gospel.
Felix is way more calm and less dogmatic than last appearance. He has a newborn and can’t attend the Adventist indoctrination center as much, and may be considering the effects of Adventism on his child in years to. I look 👀 forward to hearing his Christian testimony in the future.
That testimony won't be there because Christ is coming soon and judgement has to take place that stupidity of boosting will cease from earth with your evil doctrine
And there you are. Can't refute anything being presented here so you start condemning. I seriously think you need professional help. @@okwijames947
@@okwijames947
Your evil doctrine you say?
"The everlasting gospel was preach by Noah, by Abraham, by Paul and Peter and apostles of past ages, It was preached in the setting appropiate to their day. We cannot preach this gospel message as Noah preached it, or as Paul or Luther gave it
The apostle Paul preached of righteousness and temperance and of judgement to come.
We cannot preach preach the judgment of God as the apostle. "
Review and Herald April 1 1890
Your denomination is the real evil one
@nonconformist4802 it is , and it was only Sunday keepers who didn't preach that everlasting gospel
@@okwijames947
You are deep into moronism okwi, this was printed by your cultic church, not by Christians
Thankyou so much for this discussion. Gentleness and love was evident and also a lovely honesty and openness from the SDA gentleman
Thank you for being so patient with this brother, I was in his shoes at one time.
Myles, you explain all of this so well. You make it so clear to understand. I always learn from you! Thank you!!!
This highlights a thing that was always in the back of my mind when I was young in the SDA church. If eating meat is wrong why did Jesus feed multitudes on two occasions with loaves of bread and fish?
Everything you went through so succinctly with this gentleman has clarified multiple points that I was raised on.
The way you laid out the plain truths using the Bible was so clear- it’s like I was studying the Bible for the first time (no filter). I’m still finding my way and I really appreciate these episodes especially one clear and concise where all involved actually admit the truths they see in a scripture are real.
Thank you to you both for helping me learn more about the life of Jesus and what God is really says in his word😌
Praying for this young man. He seems to be seeking truth.
Good video Myles! Keep on!
As a little kid I remember seeing the "standing without a mediator" quote, in church. That fear was inscribed on my eyes. That quote was my first encounter with contradiction in the system. Albeit I was too little to sort out the issue. But I never forgot.
(Former)
Keep up the good work, my brother may God bless you with the Holy Spirit to guide you with wisdom and grace in Jesus name amen
Doctor Ellen pontificating about “ vital force.” A good meal and some sleep takes care of low energy.
Well done Myles and Felix! Come let us reason together!
I want to make a comment, but I don’t hardly know what to say. First of all for sure I want to say thank you for your program. I do love the way you would logically approach these questionable statements coming from Ellen White.. you seem to have a way of getting the truth brought forward. Having sat under SDA age teachings for about five years now, and having a strong Baptist background all the words that I’ve been said, and you seem to me like they were right in line, but I didn’t look behind the screen. I didn’t bother to dig in, but when things began to really feel off and out of wine, I didn’t quite know what to think. I just knew something didn’t seem quite right and you have helped me to know how to Look deeper and look what’s being in the shadows and being covered up by some fancy words that seem to say what I am thinking, but they are thinking some thing different and those are the things that I began to pick up on and say wait a minute something doesn’t seem right, so I began to question it then I began to ask God to show me and then I’ve found you! thank you again you are a wise young man, and you are appreciated by me. Keep up the good work help people to see beyond the little screen that they have to see with the hidden truths are behind some of their flowery words.
This went really well! PRAISE JESUS for the freedom we have in Him! l never even knew that SDA's had such a strange ''prophet'' when l listened to Veith. l just listened to him explore the end times stuff ....and it sounded good to me. Especially the hell issue! xD Thank you Myles.
No guilt as I prepare to cook my first turkey this thanksgiving #notofurky for us 😆
Enjoy
Why did the turkey cross the road?
@@BibleSnackables Q: Why did the turkey cross the road, fall in a mud puddle, then go back across to where it started?
A: Because it was a dirty double-crosser!
@@DamonNomad82
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It’s a well-known fact that Ellen White loved oysters!
And wine and red meat too!
Great discourse, Miles 👍. Continue yr great work. I left Adventism this year and can't believe i was so brainwashed to see Ellen White different from Joseph Smith and all other cult leaders
I saw it from the Baptistism into SDAism. But stayed for the people.
Look at this one with sex predators as pastors
“ I guess Jesus wasn’t a very good follower of Ellen White…)” love that he said this. Honest guy, appropriate response.
This is not something that anyone can argue with because that’s exactly what becomes clear when SDA doctrines are laid out against actual scriptural truths.
lol OK this is one of my favorite topics. It's just that this is so ludicrous and hard for them to defend that it makes it so incredibly awesome! :)
Nice post.
If you can't defend ordinary Sunday where it came from how can you defend adventism 😅😅😅
@@okwijames947 lol I don't have to defend Sunday when God already defended it you ignorant Adventist! When do you think the Resurrection and the Holy Spirit was given to the church, you unbelieving Judaizer?
From God @okwijames947 God created all days
@@okwijames947
this guy is saying that the Creator / Jesus is not following EGW / creature . Adventism makes no sense at all and nullifies Jesus Atonement !
I must say, it's refreshing to hear someone in the Adventist camp being so polite and willing to listen, as well as Myles using such a civil tone. This is what discussions should be like, not the kind of angry tooth-gnashing that the resident trolls who infest the comment section making all sorts of outlandish false accusations of Myles do on every video he releases...
Thats all u got from Myles vidéo? Why u EVADE false prophet ellen equating eating meat, coffee, TEA, having sexualité relation with ur spouse as a SIN.
HOW HYPOCRITICAL CAN U SDA'S BE?
@@charnelallan7159 Who are you calling SDA? I'm one of the loudest voices in the comment section AGAINST them, as you would know if you paid any attention at all. Why are you spewing hateful attacks against people who are against the SDAs and falsely accusing them, just because they happen to appreciate the civil tone between Myles and the person he was speaking with in the video? You're as bad as the SDA trolls who attack Myles are. Good day!
@@charnelallan7159 If I'm SDA, why did I post the following reply to an SDA comment in the comments of this very video?
"If non-Sadventists used Sadventist "logic", we would say...
The seven-headed beast is the seventh-day "sabbath" (and, by extension, legalistic fixation on the dead laws of the Old Covenant) and the impure woman riding it is the false "prophetess", Ellen G. White. The mark of the beast is to obsess over others not worshipping on the same day they do, in direct violation of the Scriptures, including the entire Book of Galatians, Romans 14:5-6, and Colossians 2:8-21."
@@charnelallan7159 Here's another reply I made on this comment thread 3 days ago: "For Sadventists, it's the exact opposite. The 5% truth Ellen G. White mixed in with her 95% untruth makes all of Sadventism "true" in their eyes..."
That would be a rather strange thing for someone who was SDA to post, no?
Sorry@@DamonNomad82
I know several SDA men both dead and alive who, because of Ellen's "light" do not/did not consume enough protein in their diet. The three that are alive are literally wasting away. I told one of their wives that they need to start eating grass fed grass finished meats and fish. They laugh at me because I'm the community heretic. But after my father died of colon cancer being a strict vegetarian, I have new perspectives.
Sad, but I’ve heard this from numerous people. Most SDAs I know don’t even understand that not all proteins are created equal nor does the body view them as such. They’ll say you can replace meat with beans and think your body will still get the same nutrients.
The “health message” is just as poisonous for the body as their doctrine is for the soul.
Ellen G. White's "health message" has been as harmful to humanity as the ancient Greek physician Hippocrates' "theory of humors", which encouraged treating illness by bloodletting to "balance the humors" was. Too many Sadventists got into the business of being dieticians and gained an undue influence over which foods are considered "healthy". The ruinous "food pyramid" that was the dominant "healthy diet" in popular culture was a direct result of this.
Ug I love them quoting Christ healing vs. their Health message, especially since they once upon a time were all about the Charisms as far as EGW and the gift of prophecy goes, but have never had any Healing Evangelist, Healing miracles etc. even though that was one sign of the "Remnant Church" when you look at the Great Commision, and the book of Acts and Epistles. Their version of this is some kind of weird vegetarian form of the Social Gospel.
It makes me sick to hear SDA pastors deceiving their members preaching EGW visions to their congregants just so that they can receive a paycheck at the end of the month
Blind leaders of the blind.
Unfortunately, the abomination of desolation will soon come to the SDA church. As a current member of the SDA church who not openly admits that EGW is a false prophet for the sake of our youth members, speaking here as a youth director, the church will indeed collapse for teaching the wrong Gospel. The church will not change, but there's nothing else to do but to pray for those true genuine Christians within SDA, so that when the time of desolation comes, they truly hold on to Jesus Christ who is the true Gospel.
@@JanASoto-du7ej
_"for those true genuine Christians within SDA"_
If that is the case, there must be true Christians also in Islam and Buddhism.
_"they truly hold on to Jesus Christ who is the true Gospel."_
You have not the faintest idea of what the true gospel is.
@@nonconformist4802 it is indeed true that many SDA believe the false prophet Ellen G White is the “spirit of prophecy” and the Spirit of Prophecy is the testimony of Jesus (Rev. 19). This thus lead us to conclude that in order to get to Christ one must accept EGW, thus EGW is the way the truth and the live, no one gets to Christ if not through EGW. This is a false gospel, this is not Christian.
Evidently you are emotional about people talking down on the cult that we both belong to. I cannot do anything else but to pray that you come to realize that the SDA needs to return to the sola scripture which will never happen. If Jesus is not the true Gospel and you just accused me of not knowing the Gospel even though I clearly stated that Jesus Christ is the Gsopel, then your Gospel is indeed not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@@JanASoto-du7ej
I do assume that you have missed my previous statement.
Your words was:
_"they truly hold on to Jesus Christ who is the true Gospel."_
You have repeated it again -
_"I clearly stated that Jesus Christ is the Gospel"_
This you have said before you deleted it, after you had accused me of "emotional what ever"
My original respond was:
"You have not the faintest idea of what the true gospel is."
And no, I don't belongs to your cult, I don't know what have convinced you that rubbish.
Now we take it a step further, get your big boy pants on and give me scripture that supported your statement.
And no, not twisted assumptions, seen in this light or what your deflection maybe will be.
Let the Bible do the talking and not pope Ellen.
I am waiting.
Did you ever think of this Myles , the sda teach sinless perfection right ? They would assume that someone like Doug bachelor would be closer to that level than most people however these pastors are the most sinful because they lie through their teeth and they are so prideful they cannot and will not accept correction that is so clearly Pointed out !
There is indeed some aspect of the Atonement to this. But I see this more about the Curse of the Fall, that Adventism generally denies. Healing is a grace in and of itself but a kind of sign and token of the greater gift of salvation for our eternal souls that we have in Christ.
Im glad you pointed out that under the SDA syatem jesus sins.
Jesus Christ, NEVER SINNED, Jesus Christ is perfection, sinless, and without blemish. To say Jesus sinned is blasphemy.
@@OnlyGodsavesyou Do you not understand that @SolaScriptura21 is discussing the content of the video?
My father was an Adventist health evangelist. No BLT sandwiches for us growing up. The Adventist concept of purification by diet is unbiblical and is self righteousness.
The sda who comment in the comment section truly are an example of dunning Kruger effect . Look it up . Please SDA stop talking you don’t realize how silly you sound .
As the child of a pioneer Adventist health evangelist I can testify that Adventists that are all in on Ellen’s health message are fanatical. My father ate two means per day because Ellen said so, and Saturday meals were small and plain. Cultic doctrine can override common sense and biblical truth. How much more plain and forthright could Jesus be? Food consumption does not defile a man. I love what BK the apologist says,” You mean I can’t study my Bible and learn while eating a hot dog?
“And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.” (Mrk 12:30) so if you cherish a habit that diminishes the strength of your mind or body you transgress this commandment.
@@FraeDen
The second half of your statement is 100% pure SDA assymptions with zero scriptural back up.
For your SDA fake jesus is guilty for exactly that what you mentioned here.
@@FraeDen That's a stretch only Mary Ellen could make.
@@FraeDen you truly are a disgusting pompous Pharisee.
@FraeDen
Where in scripture does it say that coffee, pickles, tea, meat, pepper and butter weaken the body?
In all respect, Adventists need to take a step back, put aside the bravado and study church history. Ive realised that most of their doctrines have been addressed as heterodox by the collective "church" for the last 2000 years. Christianity didn't start with Ellen White; there's more to christianity than the Catholic v SDA conflict. Study what theologians in the early centuries, before Constantine, believed and contrast that to after to distinguish if Constantine actually changed anything, or did he simply facilitate the growth of Christianity across the Byzantine Empire. Jesus didn't give us a book, he gave us a Church, as much as we want to say the Bible is our sole infallible rule of faith, it belongs within the Christian Tradition as whole and thus an infallible book must be interpreted by an infallible body of people (synodally) under guidance of the Holy Spirit. This is why in 1 Timothy 3:15 Paul expresses that the Church is "the pillar and ground of Truth" which is our normative authority in interpretation, there is ONLY one truth. To suggest such a "church" has been lost implies that God himself has abandoned the church and there's no basis for truth. I implore SDAs just to consider further historical study that doesn't just fuel the confirmation bias.
Amen
Sounds like he's begun the process of "reasoning together" his way out of SDA?
@@kimartist by the grace of God
Please God we pray 🙏🤍🕊
95% truth and 5% un-truth makes it all a lie
No. The 95% is trye, just the end result when error is included is a lie
@ if 95% of a railroad track is good and 5 % is not , the train will derail . If The SDA doctrine was 95% true it may be concealable , but it is way less true than that . And a lot are waking up by the grace of God and start joining a Bible based Church 🙏
@@TheDredog59
95% is a very optimistic number to mentioned when the integrity of the SDA is mentioned.
5% truth sounds more realistic, with a 95% flat out satanic twisted whirlpool of doctrines.
For Sadventists, it's the exact opposite. The 5% truth Ellen G. White mixed in with her 95% untruth makes all of Sadventism "true" in their eyes...
THE CRYPTONITE OF ADVENTISM IS FALSE PROPHET ELLEN OWN INSPIRED PEN
Hey, could you post where Ellen white said these things? I feel like this is a pretty obvious thing I really hope my sda friend doesn't just ignore. 😅
No wonder satan blinded them with the sabbath, the moment the gambling machine tilt, the screen show - sabbath/sabbath/sabbath and at that momment everybody not Adventism became Babylon.
Satan blinded them with sex predators as pastors and sex traffickers
@@okwijames947
True, your SDA pastors are guilty as you claim, for example on the Pitcaren Island your church did just that.
@okwijames947 My first year as a SDA, a pastor of a sister church got an unmarried girl pregnant. Want to hurl more accusations? Why should we listen to an amalgamated beast anyway?
@@okwijames947 An Okapi is an "amalgamated beast" with the front end of a giraffe and the hind end of a zebra...
@DamonNomad82 Christians claiming to follow Christ BUT having no power of Christ in them except a tattooed okapi
Adventism is a mess
A sticky yucky hot mess.
It’s like traveling and finding two different routes, but trying to take both at the same time…. Which is why I try to debate with them and they seem to point only one part of the Bible and discard all 66 Books😄😄😄
@@mrnelsonmandelamark You are the group that divides Old and New Testament instead of using the entire Bible.
I will debate the scriptures (all 66 of them) with you anytime.
@@Metalhefe What’s the topic?
@mrnelsonmandelamark You are the attacker of Revelation 12:17, not me
This particular episode is very cut and dry, the scripture presented clearly contradicts Ellen as far her statements linking sex and food to spiritual health.
Any ex Adventists ever hear of Neil Nedley? He lends ‘medical’ weight to Ellen’s statements .
I’d like to see another doctor’s analysis of his claims.
There are plenty of doctors and men of science that agree on the subject of meat eating and promote a healthy vegetarian diet. How can you not see that whatever we do eat or drink affects our body and spirit? Why do you think the Bible says: “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.” (Mrk 12:30, KJV) All our faculties can be affected by our habits.
@FraeDen Then why did she eat Oysters huh? Tells you to do something and she did the exact opposite?
@FraeDen
I ask again, where in scripture does it say eating meat, coffee, tea, butter , pickles , fish or pepper weaken the body?
As for doctors , the real ones , they emphasize a balanced diet, fruits and vegetables, sure , but they never forbid meats , maybe a reduction in the typical American diet , but no prohibition.
And again was Jesus sinning by eating and cooking fish for others, eating lamb as any Jew would? Making alcohol at a wedding?
And declaring no food unclean.
So in placing heavy loads on other Christians by forbidding meat or other foods , you are calling Jesus a liar.
@ Because she is human.
@@FraeDen and a major hypocrite whom you believe.
What the heretic is saying is you have a limited gospel, and he is here to tell you about the expanded present truth gospel message. You are as spiritual as he is. He has deeper spiritual knowledge than you. Adventists are proud people. Beneath the smile and handshake and free veggie sandwiches lies a heart of pride. You are inferior to an Adventist- you need to hear and live the last days remnant church gospel.
@@Say-hey24 while I agree that many SDAs are like this-this guy was actually very humble.
That is an accurate concise description, I’ve seen it, still know some of them… when you are “in the circle” they talk openly about their self perceived “righteousness”.
@@answeringadventism yeah, he was humble and quite different than the last time he appeared sporting the Major League Baseball logo. I root for him to escape the Adventist trap. I’m a baseball freak and a 35 year umpire who umpires 350 games per year. But that’s meaningless; I just remember the MLB logo. He’s on his way to Liberty. I should have been more precise with my language. Adventist teaching is Christians have not embraced the full gospel message. Christians are not as advanced as Adventists. Adventists usually display a sense of superiority. I hope the birth of his child motivates him to take seriously raising his child in a healthy vibrant Christian fellowship, with a rock solid pastor- teacher. His life will be revolutionized. My bad for not being more precise with language. What a great day it will be when he comes back on with a powerful testimony.
@@Say-hey24Moreover, woe to any child who has to go through adolescence knowing the IJ. For my daughter, it was the cause of much anxiety and depression, to the point of despondency to Adventism and much angry outbursts. True healing came when we accepted the full imputation of Christ's righteousness and acceptance of his finished work. And that there's nothing we can do to improve or maintain our standing with God. While at the same time the Holy Spirit works and bears fruit
@ perfect comment
Not important, but the heretic is illegally using the MLB logo.
{{Mat 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses. }}
Right off the bat, what kind of nonsense is that, this verse has nothing to with Pauls gospel, that verse was for when Jesus was on the earth to show he was the messiah to the Jews, Jesus gospel is not Pauls gospel, they need to be divided, we are under Pauls gospel.........
WOW the SDA are messed up........
Hi
All liars will have their part in the lake of fire 🔥
Now you are just being sad.
THATS ELLEN IF SHE DID NOT REPENT
If that's true, then the SDA church will have it's membership culled in a hurry.
robertbaker231
Did you listen to the post? Or are you just trolling?
Feel free to take the scripture shown and contradict it! Go on! We’re waiting. Show us from scripture that meat poisons the blood, show us that sex with one’s wife has to be minimized from scripture.
If you don’t respond, then please never respond again, as you will prove you really don’t value scripture but instead cling to your Ellen tradition.
Ellen white will split hell wide open
Mykes is so lost😢😢😢😢😢
FORGET ABOUT MYLES STICK TO UR FALSE PROPHET SAID COFFEE
TEA
MEAT EATING IS A SIN
DONT RUN
Myles stop inviting people that are new to the faith and stop pretending u are calm because u knew his stand .Go for the people from ADL😂😂😂or pastor Anthony and see how u will be barking
😂😂😂
This was from an open mic. I didn’t invite anyone. It was open to anyone. But yeah, good one. It’s hilarious how anytime someone discusses with an Adventist and Adventists aren’t satisfied with the persons performance Adventists immediately deem them to be “new” and uninformed. Lol
“Stop pretending u are calm”
Yeah, cope harder. I wasn’t “pretending” you tool of Satan. We were having a chill discussion.
@@answeringadventism 😂😂 really go check ur videos and come back and tell me who is the tool of Satan .u are funny, people have gone ahead of u and they did worst but God's church is and will still stand .nothing is new to us by God's grace we are aware of things that will happen till Christ come
New to the faith? Myles read from ellen 's inspired PEN. TRY AGAIN
Wait didn't ellen eat venison stew and oysters 😮?
@MargaretAshigbadi GOD'S CHURCH PREACH CHRIST COMPLETED ATONEMENT. GOD'S CHURCH DONT DIMINISH THE DEITY OF CHRIST TO ARCHANGEL MICHAEL.
GOD'S CHURCH HAS THE SEAL OF GOD "THE HOLY SPIRIT".
GOD'S TEACH JUSTIFICATION IS BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH APART FROM THE LAW.
GOD'S CHURCH DONT ADVOCATE TO MOVE TO THE COUNTRY TO AVOID THE PHANTOM SUNDAY LAW. DONT WORRY GOOGLE EARTH WILL STILL FIND U LIVING IN THE COUNTRY.
9:15 minutes mark if gluttony is a sin .so is to much sex.
0:26 "It's not a debate" yet puts debate as the thumbnail
1:30 Invited the guest on without preparation
3:40 Asked for his preferred translation of the Bible, and then...
6:10 Switched to your preferred version for the text.
9:39 Lying against Ellen Whites quotes. I agree with her and this is what she actually said:
"Sexual excess will effectively destroy a love for devotional exercises, will take from the brain the substance needed to nourish the system, and will most thoroughly exhaust the vitality" (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 2, p. 478). One of the fruits of the spirit is self-control. I can't believe you talk this way and have a following of ex-adventists. Let's continue.
11:44 - 13:44 "He's not saying here if you're married don't have sex" lol. When you view marriage as only a sexual contract you only defend sex when reading Pauls writings. Marriage is a spiritual union between 1 man and 1 woman by God, and the family is the devil's number one target. Satan's number one weapon used is misinformation and manipulation which this channel promotes. Hard to get through this but let's continue lol.
15:55 This is what Ellen G. White actually said; "It is a sin to be intemperate in eating, drinking, sleeping, or seeing. This sin rests upon many professed Christians."
(Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 44). Paul says "Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable." 1 corinthians 9 : 25 ESV. This is hard to get through because of the denial of context lol.
20:15 Verse 1st corinthians 8 : 13 "so Paul ate meat" lol. Paul states he would abstain from eating meat if it might lead a weaker believer to sin, particularly in the context of meat offered to idols. This suggests he was willing to forgo meat for the sake of others’ spiritual well-being. Same as in Romans 14 : 21. Let's try to understand the context, Why is Paul making the claim that eating meat will make a weaker believer "Stumble"?
1. Feeling guilty about eating meat believing it was sinful. 2. more directly he said when the weaker believer is tempted to compromise their conscience by eating it, thus sinning against their own convictions, Romans 14 : 23: "But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin" ..ESV
A weaker believer might imitate the actions of a stronger believer without fully understanding, leading them to act against their conscience and feel they are participating in idolatry. That why the weaker believer is described as only eating vegetables.
Paul literally says it on neutral ground. If you eat meat and cause your brother to stumble its a sin, or.., if you eat meat and defile your conscience it's a sin. The actual Adventist health message abtains from Meat eating for health reasons, and understanding there are Clean and unclean meats which the bible lists in Leviticus 11. Temperance in all things regardless of your Diet. I might add that paul isn't defending eating unclean meats that are listed in the Levitical laws. The words used to describe 'unclean' in Hebrew and Greek both have different meanings, and Paul never nullifies God's Objective law. Even when Paul said to buy what was sold in "the meat markets", it still only meant the meat offered to idols. Not to be bothered Subjectively. Etc. Etc.
I can't get through the whole video but it's interesting.
WHEN WILL U SDA'S LEARN. UR PROVING WITH UR COMMENTS U R NOT NO REMNANT.
U SAID MYLES IS CHOOSING ADVENTIST WHO R NOT PREPARED? PREPARED FOR WHAT. SUBSCRIBING TO A DÉNOMINATION WOULD LOGICALLY MEAN U BELIEVE IN WHAT THE DÉNOMINATION AFFIRMS. OR DO U EVEN KNOW?
MYLES HAVE MADE AN OPEN INVITATION TO ADVENTISM APOLOGIST TO COME ON BUT GUESS WHAT THEY ONLY BARK ON THEIR PODCAST BECAUSE THEIR GULLIBLE AUDIENCE APPLAUD THEIR PROOFTEXT METHOD OF APOLOGETICS.
ELLEN IS THE CRYPTONITE OF ADVENTISM HER THUS SAYETH THE LORD HERATICAL QUOTES R COMING BACK TO BITE U SDA'S..DEAL WITH IT
LEVITICUS 11? ISNT THAT A CÉRÉMONIAL LAW WHICH ADVENTISM CLAIMS WERE NAILED TO THE CROSS ? WHY THE INCONSISTENCY ? ADVENTISM IS A BIBLICAL DESERT. U BETTER RUN. AND STOP MAKING EXCISES FOR FAKSE PROPHET ELLEN
@ This is an open invitation for you and Myles to see right now, that We’d love to have him on “Adventist Defense League.” TH-cam channel.
They’re more than willing to give him weeks to prepare his thoughts and find scripture to prove his ideas. I know Myles and you as a witness will see this comment. But of course you won’t say anything about it, and he won’t do anything about it.
If you’ve found justification for a false doctrine in this video when in the first 15 minutes I replied and proved everything wrong, even the guest did as well as I wrote in my comments; That’s your own interpretation. The guest wasn’t prepared and still proved Myles wrong from what they’ve studied.
This is why you have to understand who you’re following. You’re itching ears are a description what Roman’s 16 says about the false teachers; “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.”
Romans 16:17-18 ESV
Don’t be naive. Think.
EARLY WRITINGS PG 276
GOD CANNOT TAKE TO HEAVEN THE SLAVE WHO HAS BEEN KEPT IN IGNORANCE AND DEGRADATION KNOWING NOTHING OF GOD AND THE BIBLE LEARNING NOTHING BUT HIS MASTERS LASH AND HOLDING A LOWER POSITION THAN THE BRUTES BUT HE DOES THE BEST THING FOR HIM THAT A COMPASSIONATE GOD CAN DO HE PERMITS HIM TO BE AS THOUGH HE HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN @@1stMikeWhite
@@1stMikeWhiteU TELL ME IF MY LAST COMMENT IS OF GOD OR A RACIST FALSE PROPHET
😢😢😢😢a lot of hatredy in this community
Like the guy who says he would like to cut Myles's ear off?
@tatis. Tell me about it! You should read the constant snarling remarks and insults by the SDA guy that goes by the name @okwijames
@LoCoWi she must have missed him wanting to cut off Myles ear.
And you're the source of a lot of it, while the rest of those who share your views are the source of the rest!
No sda ever said Jesus sinned your absolutely crazy
Ellen G. White by claiming that Jesus went into Unbelive in His father doubting Him is sin not matter if one call it or not.
THE WORD FOR SAVE (SOZO) ,ENTAILS HEALING WITHIN IT ,ISAIAH 53 WAS TALKING ABOUT SALVATION..
First give us evidence that your cult do actually believe what the Bible has to say, before using it in the same manner as satan. For your church has published it that the Bible carried no authority.
Amazing how the health message being salvic only magically appeared to a lady while being visited by an angel after 1844.
Stop waisting your time deceiving people
UR RIGHT BECAUSE U HAVE ALREADY BEEN DECEIVED BY THE CULT OF ADVENTISM
Thank you for being apostasy
Thanks for telling us that you are part of the parrot division from the pharisee fun club.
So tell us what was apostate in the video presentation instead of hurling accusations.
No one person represents SDA's - this person appears dysfunctional in his understanding
EGW and Adventism is grossly misunderstood...even amongst adventists.
Yes, only satan truly know them, for he is their master
So can you explain this life force to us one more time and tells us the tales when England invaded the US.
@@Donatello-b4x Sure....I take it as the life and physical health of which we have a direct influence on. We can either add to or take away from it with our actions, habits or lifestyle.
Her comments on England "invading" the US was obviously conditional. There are some examples of conditional prophecies in the Bible too.
@21divel 'conditional' LOL. So when it happens it is the voice of God but if it doesn't then that's 'conditional' because of someone else's actions. Absurd.
@@21divel and why would Jesus partake in fish and the passover lamb if it was a sin?
Miles:
There are two NT texts which make TWO WITNESSES that believer are NOT to eat
MEAT SACRIFICED TO IDOLS:
Acts 15:29: "You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols"
&
Revelation 2:14
But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel,
***to eat things sacrificed unto idols***
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The final word in the NT about "eating meat sacrificed to idols" come in Revelation.
Can you explain how the Jerusalem Council, which included ALL THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS, in Acts 15, & John in Rev. 2:14 got this wrong when they plainly state that this practice was not in agreement with the teaching of the Apostles therefore heaven's commandments? So you weight Paul's single testimony (it could actually be an interpolation) against ALL THE HAND PICKED APOSTLES OF MESSIAH???
This is one example where the Biblical principle of "Two or Three Witnesses" confirm the truth.
Currently what you are teaching on this subject is NOT TRUTH. IT IS CLEARLY AGAINST THE HAND PICKED APOSTLES, AND MESSIAH'S MESSAGE in the book of REVELATION!
@@mbrown6837 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Literally none of that proves your guys’ silly health message is a part of the gospel message. Which was the thesis of this discussion. The gospel is the “power of God for salvation to all that believe it.”
Furthermore, you should really stop and examine your handling of the Bible when you create contradictions with other parts of the scripture based on your interpretation of any given passage.
So now Paul contradicted Luke, according to you, because Paul said believers aren’t sinning if they eat meat sacrificed to idols.
“So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.”-1 Corinthians 8:4-8
So great job twisting Acts 15 and creating contradictions. In fact, this pericope disproved your guys’ entire “health message” because clearly Paul says good doesn’t bring you closer to God. And he didn’t tell them to not eat meat at all. He said if someone does eat meat sacrificed to idols, if they don’t have a guilty conscience about it, they’re fine. It’s the guilt conscience and going against such that is the problem. Not meat. But according to you, he should have said people shouldn’t be eating meat at all.
This evidences your handling of Acts is incorrect and you clearly don’t understand what you’re citing from.
HEAVEN 'S COMMANDEMENTS? I GUESS THAT MAKES IT 11 ( GOD'S CHARACTER)
WHY R U NOT ANGRY WITH ELLEN? SHE SAID EATING MEAT IS A SIN. YET SHE ATE VENISON, OYSTERS ETC. REALLY DID SHE HAVE TWO OR THREE WITNESSES TO HAVE THIS BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS? REALLY U SDA R VERY DISHONEST
@@answeringadventism Stop accusing me of supporting a "Health Message". I do not support any such thing. I don't even really know what all it entails.
I am not an SDA. So you have made yourself a LIAR & FALSE ACCUSER! That is SIN, in case you didn't know. Since you publicly LIED and made FALSE ACCUSATION, it is your obligation to REPENT PUBLICLY for your SIN!
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Miles:Have you ever read Acts 15 without preconceived ideas, ever read ALL THE NT COUNSEL regarding this subject???
Why are you assuming that Paul's message could overrule the HOLY SPIRITS', commandment and the message John got from heaven?
Yes in Acts 15:28, it states that the ***HOLY SPIRIT*** is the source of the commandment relayed by Apostles & Elders at the Council of Jerusalem to give the command in vs 29 :
"But you should NOT EAT anything offered to idols."
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In Revelation there are TWO verses which address the same SIN:
Revelation 2:14 In this verse, an angel rebukes a church for holding the teachings of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to
***eat food sacrificed to idols.***
Revelation 2:20 In this verse, an angel rebukes the church of Thyatira for tolerating a prophetess who led their servants to
***eat food sacrificed to idols.***
Read your BIBLE, include the WHOLE COUNCIL OF GOD! When there is a disagreement in texts, the majority view is generally the correct one. There could be textual errors in the other.
If you choose to only accept what you believe Paul wrote (it could actually be an interpolation), vs those 3 other texts, Tell us WHY you refuse to believe the message from the Holy Spirit in Acts 15:28 & John in
Rev. 2:14 & 2:20?
@@charnelallan7159 Obviously not. The Holy Spirit gave the commandment in Acts 15. to the Elders & Apostles. John noted the same disapproval of eating "meat sacrificed to idols" in his vision of heaven, in Rev. 2, TWICE.
If you want to comment, why don't you show your scriptural expertise and make a constructive scriptural comment, or can you? Maybe frivolous comments are all you are able to do...
You are so deluded by your own sophistries that you do not see the great controversy theme is all over the Bible. Your reformed view about predestination works as a misty cloud covering the truth and distorting greatly the image of God. You say it is the belief of millions of Christians and its true but this ain’t no valid argument.
Christians have done just fine without the additions and complications of Ellen’s writings.
Only in America would we have a group of people who think the US is so central to God’s plans .
It makes no sense that after almost 2000 years , God would completely change His plan of salvation by having an uneducated preacher disobey Jesus by predicting His return , then supposedly giving visions that totally contradict His word to a self aggrandizing woman who would then write a book that again distorts the Bible by creating an extra biblical pre history narrative the vast majority of Christ followers in the world know nothing about .
The opening sentence is an empty ad hominim attack. Such attacks can be recognized and proven because they can easily be turned around on the one who uses them, exposing their complete lack of substance. For example...
"You are so deluded by Ellen G. White's sophistries that you do no see that the great controversy theme is nowhere to be found in the Bible, but is read into it by twisting a handful of prooftexts to fit the false teachings of Ellen G. White, who made unfounded claims about her own supposed "revelations" about Scripture."
For the record, I do NOT hold to "reformed theology" in any way, shape or form. However, any distortions it may inflict on God's Image and the truth are no greater than those of Sadventism...
@ Maybe you don’t, but Miles does. Have you read his article “What does the Adventist Church teach about election?” On his website? Your reaction holds an easy argument to avoid delving into Miles writings which reveal through which lenses he looks at Scripture and SDA. I also invite you to read “Did God predetermine our salvation” by Dr. Erwin Gane.
My comment has nothing to do with EGW. The book of Job is more than sufficient to convince everybody of the fact that the GCT is central to the Bible.
@@jsimoes9424 The pre-history narrative is in Revelation 12. The reasons for the controversy are explained in Isaiah 14:12-16 and Ezechiel 28:13-17.
The war was ended at the cross but the enemy has not accepted his defeat so “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:” (1Pe 5:8, KJV)
You reason that because EGW says things that are not explicitly mentioned in the Bible she must be a false prophet. First, to say something that is not explicitly in the Bible does not mean that it is against what the Bible teaches. Prophets oftentimes presented scenes that were not found in the scriptures which existed in their time. Take for example the scenes in Daniël 7. Luke quotes Paul: “I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.” (Act 20:35, KJV) Can you find these words of the Lord Jesus in the gospels? No! So are Luke and Paul false prophets?
Where in the preceding writings do you find the information John provides in the book of Revelation? Where do you find descriptions like in chapter 4 and 5? So if a prophet draws away a curtain that was not drawn away before and make us see things that where not seen before is he then a false prophet? No! So your argument concerning EGW showing us things that were not revealed in Scripture is not valid. If it were you would have to reject all prophets.
Only if a prophet comes with so called new revelations which are contrary to the clear teachings of the Bible only then you can reject the prophet.
Of course if you look to the Bible through the lenses of a theology that contains serious defects it will be very hard for you to rightly judge a prophet.
FRAZIER UR A HERATIC
Why would any adventist want to debate an uneducated Bible deceiver Myles knows the Bible like Catholics know the Pope it's just an argument point what is his religion 🤣 sarcastism
Do you realize sir how silly and uneducated you sound ?
ELLEN G WHITE INSPIRED PEN IS THE CRYPTONITE OF ADVENTISM NOT MYLES HE IS SIMPLY READING FROM HER DIRECT QUOTES😮😮😮
What the heretic is saying is you have a limited gospel, and he is here to tell you about the expanded present truth gospel message. You are as spiritual as he is. He has deeper spiritual knowledge than you. Adventists are proud people. Beneath the smile and handshake and free veggie sandwiches lies a heart of pride. You are inferior to an Adventist- you need to hear and live the last days remnant church gospel.
Just buy a case of Fri-chik. That'll buy you some street cred.
Yep, arrogant and authoritarian. 👍