I'm glad to see specialized mentioned let alone winning. There are so many comparison reviews lately and it's like the Levos don't exist. 90 Nm and nearly 600w is as good as most ,but they just don't look as good as the latest bikes. I would happily change my Levo for something else if there was a substantial benefit but up till now I haven't seen any. I'm at 20000k trouble free on mine but I'm looking forward to you getting the Amflow and putting that DJI system to the test , that could be my next bike. Incredible series of helpful videos , thanks :)
@djm8027 thanks mate I really appreciate your comments and support I just say it how I see it and test it with date to back it up! Yep DJI arrives next week I’m very excited
@@Isayahcox And some Bafang and some Shimano, splitting hairs I recon , If any one was a massive standout winner everyone would be riding it , the ones in this comparison are all good but it's nice to have choices :)
Great real world testing series on the latest e-bike motors! Not surprised to see Brose motor winning the overall as Specialized Mission Control app is so easy to use and tune the motor character.
I love both the Bosch and the Brose the most, each other has their pros and cons, the Bosch is so powerful but I love the mastermind a lot and overall how quite the Brose is 🙌
Awesome series Sam didn’t expect the levo to win as the Brose S Meg is a bit long in the tooth. Name dropped you with quad lock to on my recent purchase.
Thanks mate, yep the Brose is pretty old but the over all Specialized system is great! Thanks for the name drop with the quad lock and I’m sure you will love it!
@@SamsBikes your welcome buddy, I’m sure the quad lock will be excellent, not a Levo hater I bought a 2024 comp alloy about 5 weeks ago and yep I had a fault out of the box not with the motor but the rear wheel. When sat on the bike and it was moving the rear wheel would make a noise. Took it to a local specialized concept store close to me in the uk. The mechanic at first thought it was the rim wall of the tyre so changed it. That wasn’t the problem so he stripped the wheel down but couldn’t see anything wrong yet the noise was still present, so gave me new wheel there and then. I expected having to wait days, but no… Couldn’t ask for better and it’s why I bought Specialized.
Maserati and Alfa Romeo make beautiful cars that are amazing to drive, so why doesn't everyone buy them? Reliability. To truly see the e-mtb market grow, we need to see motors with longer warranties, like five or more years, and motors that can be serviced at home. We could be facing class-action lawsuits when warranties expire and $7,000 e-bikes have dead motors that can't be fixed. When will we start focusing on reliability and not just performance?
Hi sam, have you tried the m560 by bafang and what are your opinions on it. I'm tempted to buy it as an upgrade to my m600, with it being much lighter and more powerful.
I’ve watched it a it ago. The one thing you said was you were surprised the range of the Bafang was good although it had so much power. The one thing o want to say is that the faster you go up the least amount of Gforce you will have. Because you do it faster. In other words. It does not surprise me they are better than expected. The only big downside of big power is the weight of the engine.
I’ve watched your other vids a bit ago. The one thing you said was you were surprised the range of the Bafang was good although it had so much power. The one thing I want to say is that the faster you go up the least amount of Gravity force yo will have. Because you do it faster. In other words. It does not surprise me there Range is better than expected. The only big downside of big power is the weight of the engine.
Just got back from a one hour ride with lots of hills and am STILL going with BMZ as the king of the hills . it drops bosch and brose like they are standing still. i raced my buddy a 48 year old very fit guy riding a bosch cx . i waited at the top wondering if he crashed and then heard some huffing and puffing as he appeared . 😂 Unfortunately the BMZ will never be on any of these lists as it's in a very niche market and not easily testable . i'm happy knowing i can destroy any of those motors with ease . ok flame away riders 😉
specialized service support, hmmm that could be discussed. I bought a turbo levo on 11/23, a new bike. from the first day it was not right, it had occasional interruptions in driving. I have been to 2 authorized service centers and they did not remove the defect. I also contacted Specialized europa and they told me that everything was done and that it works as it should. however, there were still interruptions. I fixed the problem, I bought a speed sensor, replaced it and everything was ok. so don't give laurels to Specialized because it's not entirely true!
@@Isayahcoxas one user said. it must be said that it is the best engine for him. and the Chinese also started giving money! I rode 3 Bafang motors. M500, M510 (3 versions) and M820. in my opinion, Bafang is far from the leading manufacturers. the engines have power, but they are not as drivable as the leading ones. and there are also problems with the software.
Thanks for your thoughts, it was a pretty full on 3 months of testing so there is a lot of raw data to back it up! but if you think that way then it’s fine
I don’t know why you keep pushing Specialized product. They look ancient, the motor is the most unreliable ever. I have to change over 10 in the last 6 years on different levo and kenevos bikes. Bosh is obviously the winner here for both performance and reliability
Sorry you have had those problems with your bikes! From this test Specialized came on top, if you ask on the emtb forum which is the most reliable motor you are going to get a mixed bag of reply’s maybe try it and let me know what everyone says.
@@SamsBikes I have the feeling that you are blinded by specialized. You keep testing amazing bikes and still promoting specialized like they are the best out there. Reality check. Specialized lost the lead long time ago and now their bikes are average at best.
I have 2023 Specialized Levo with over 7 thousand (7000) km clocked in less that 1 year and a half. The motor has been extremely reliable, still very quiet (it has not changed over time) and has not lost any efficiency (in terms of Watt/Hour consumed in a specific distance). I've had one single issue, with the battery connector (the engine would power off) and I realized after getting home that the connector was dirty; after cleaning the bike and connector, everything went back to normal. I am surprised by the noise the new Bosch CX Race makes when being used at full power, compared to the motor on the Levo.
@@RideEverythingEverywhere 20000k on my 2021 turbo levo without an issue, battery at 95% and I have plenty of KOMs in my riding areas that tells me it is a good as any of they newer bikes , got fox 38 performance up front and X2 rear , just doesn't have the looks but I'm not wasting 5 or 10 grand on cosmetic improvements, thats on me or the bike :) Having said that , Amflow with DJI looks a possibility and will be good to see how it preforms in the wild.
I like a lot your videos and I understand the tests that you made, but each rider is different and uses the motors in different ways, I pretty sure that a different person would get different results, so, I don't think that is fare to say the "best ebike motors 2024", you should say the "best ebike motors, for me, in 2024", otherwise you may be misleading people buying the wrong system. BTW I don't have support, work or be payed by any brand, just expressing my thoughts.
That’s a good point, the whole series was conducted by me so it’s my point of view but also the data to back it up. Definitely next time I’ll add that this my point of view
@@bastogne315 thanks! can you still use it as a commuter bike unlocked? I heard the Bosch will come up with error codes ? I heard the shimano is better unlocked?
Really? The Polini and Oli motors, are better than any brand on the list. And what of the Yamaha PW-S2, which has plenty of power for mid-weight riders. As for budget motors, you're better-off with a hub-drive system. Hyena, would be the preferred. Bafang, if every penny counts.
idk seems like bulshit-all those motors with over run should be banned anyway-people will soon forget how to do anything and get so lazy. im no profesional but there is no way that with an average rider that that bosch can beat the RM powerplay in any kind of test -take that cheating stroke away and it wont be even close.
finally, the series is complete... I hope you like it riders...
I'm glad to see specialized mentioned let alone winning. There are so many comparison reviews lately and it's like the Levos don't exist. 90 Nm and nearly 600w is as good as most ,but they just don't look as good as the latest bikes. I would happily change my Levo for something else if there was a substantial benefit but up till now I haven't seen any. I'm at 20000k trouble free on mine but I'm looking forward to you getting the Amflow and putting that DJI system to the test , that could be my next bike. Incredible series of helpful videos , thanks :)
@djm8027 thanks mate I really appreciate your comments and support I just say it how I see it and test it with date to back it up! Yep DJI arrives next week I’m very excited
#sam Your for of shit bro bocsh is number 1 why you pick specialize because you geting paid by specialize
other youtubers thinks bosch ia number 1
@@Isayahcox And some Bafang and some Shimano, splitting hairs I recon , If any one was a massive standout winner everyone would be riding it , the ones in this comparison are all good but it's nice to have choices :)
Great real world testing series on the latest e-bike motors! Not surprised to see Brose motor winning the overall as Specialized Mission Control app is so easy to use and tune the motor character.
Thanks 🙏 Rider
But which motor has the best IP rating? Maybe a comparo for water proofing would be a good thing overall!
Excellent point!
love the series! Congrats, amazing work🤟
Thanks Bea
I have a 2021 Santa cruz heckler cc with an Shimano ep8 - I've put nearly 1k miles on it, I have had zero problems with my motor.
What about the noise of the motor?
@pavlovskyyp8799 I don't notice it at all.
Maybe the Brose, as you say...but when it works ! 😊
nice work on your series .that was a lot of work ! !
👍
Thanks a ton!
" a lot of work" may be an understatement . i especially liked the warranty part . that was very interesting and revealing . great work. !
@siriosstar4789 thanks mate I’m just sorry it took so long to finish we have been crazy lately
I love both the Bosch and the Brose the most, each other has their pros and cons, the Bosch is so powerful but I love the mastermind a lot and overall how quite the Brose is 🙌
Yep totally bro both are great I think Specialized still have the edge for me
Now the DJi is out ? Did they all drop 1 position ?
Awesome series Sam didn’t expect the levo to win as the Brose S Meg is a bit long in the tooth. Name dropped you with quad lock to on my recent purchase.
Thanks mate, yep the Brose is pretty old but the over all Specialized system is great! Thanks for the name drop with the quad lock and I’m sure you will love it!
@@SamsBikes your welcome buddy, I’m sure the quad lock will be excellent, not a Levo hater I bought a 2024 comp alloy about 5 weeks ago and yep I had a fault out of the box not with the motor but the rear wheel.
When sat on the bike and it was moving the rear wheel would make a noise. Took it to a local specialized concept store close to me in the uk. The mechanic at first thought it was the rim wall of the tyre so changed it.
That wasn’t the problem so he stripped the wheel down but couldn’t see anything wrong yet the noise was still present, so gave me new wheel there and then. I expected having to wait days, but no… Couldn’t ask for better and it’s why I bought Specialized.
Maserati and Alfa Romeo make beautiful cars that are amazing to drive, so why doesn't everyone buy them? Reliability. To truly see the e-mtb market grow, we need to see motors with longer warranties, like five or more years, and motors that can be serviced at home. We could be facing class-action lawsuits when warranties expire and $7,000 e-bikes have dead motors that can't be fixed. When will we start focusing on reliability and not just performance?
Did you watch episode 5? Check it out
Bosch and Brose can be serviced!
@@Domestos99percent Even service centers have mentioned some service limitations they have with Bosch. Don't recall comments about Brose.
Maserati and Alfa Romeo have been reliable for decades.
Thank you Sam, I wonder with what motor specialized will come up with when they issue a new Levo/Kenevo. Appreciate your effort.
Thanks mate! Let’s see what they bring
Rode a few motors and I think Bosch is the best in reliability. I want a reliable motor overall because Ebike is freaking expensive.
Hi sam, have you tried the m560 by bafang and what are your opinions on it. I'm tempted to buy it as an upgrade to my m600, with it being much lighter and more powerful.
Sorry mate never tested it
I can confirm M560 is a fantastic upgrade from the M600, I have changed to M560 and I would never go back to the M600 again.
@@bishopoz5346 can you talk about the noise on the m560? I’ve heard it’s quite loud but what’s your experience?
The best ebike motor of 2024 is the one that lasts to 2025 with being replaced on warranty 😂
Thats bosch
That's absolutely definitely unquestionably unequivocally not Bosch
Best motor is the one you can fit to any EMTB frame
I’ve watched it a it ago.
The one thing you said was you were surprised the range of the Bafang was good although it had so much power.
The one thing o want to say is that the faster you go up the least amount of Gforce you will have. Because you do it faster.
In other words. It does not surprise me they are better than expected.
The only big downside of big power is the weight of the engine.
Good point, yes the Bafang was great on range even though it had great power
I’ve watched your other vids a bit ago.
The one thing you said was you were surprised the range of the Bafang was good although it had so much power.
The one thing I want to say is that the faster you go up the least amount of Gravity force yo will have. Because you do it faster.
In other words. It does not surprise me there Range is better than expected.
The only big downside of big power is the weight of the engine.
Just got back from a one hour ride with lots of hills and am STILL going with BMZ as the king of the hills .
it drops bosch and brose like they are standing still.
i raced my buddy a 48 year old very fit guy riding a bosch cx . i waited at the top wondering if he crashed and then heard some huffing and puffing as he appeared . 😂
Unfortunately the BMZ will never be on any of these lists as it's in a very niche market and not easily testable . i'm happy knowing i can destroy any of those motors with ease .
ok flame away riders 😉
Sounds like a great motor
specialized service support, hmmm that could be discussed. I bought a turbo levo on 11/23, a new bike. from the first day it was not right, it had occasional interruptions in driving. I have been to 2 authorized service centers and they did not remove the defect. I also contacted Specialized europa and they told me that everything was done and that it works as it should. however, there were still interruptions. I fixed the problem, I bought a speed sensor, replaced it and everything was ok. so don't give laurels to Specialized because it's not entirely true!
Thanks for your input and sorry to hear it, it always comes down to the individual shop and the company
Bosch is better he just geting paid by them to say that
And bosch does bot have a rattle its in sams head
@@Isayahcoxit's all about money.😂😂
@@Isayahcoxas one user said. it must be said that it is the best engine for him. and the Chinese also started giving money! I rode 3 Bafang motors. M500, M510 (3 versions) and M820. in my opinion, Bafang is far from the leading manufacturers. the engines have power, but they are not as drivable as the leading ones. and there are also problems with the software.
Not even bothering to watch the video, mr specialised shill will likely pick the brose as always.
Thanks for your thoughts, it was a pretty full on 3 months of testing so there is a lot of raw data to back it up! but if you think that way then it’s fine
I don’t know why you keep pushing Specialized product.
They look ancient, the motor is the most unreliable ever. I have to change over 10 in the last 6 years on different levo and kenevos bikes.
Bosh is obviously the winner here for both performance and reliability
Sorry you have had those problems with your bikes! From this test Specialized came on top, if you ask on the emtb forum which is the most reliable motor you are going to get a mixed bag of reply’s maybe try it and let me know what everyone says.
@@SamsBikes I have the feeling that you are blinded by specialized. You keep testing amazing bikes and still promoting specialized like they are the best out there.
Reality check. Specialized lost the lead long time ago and now their bikes are average at best.
I have 2023 Specialized Levo with over 7 thousand (7000) km clocked in less that 1 year and a half. The motor has been extremely reliable, still very quiet (it has not changed over time) and has not lost any efficiency (in terms of Watt/Hour consumed in a specific distance). I've had one single issue, with the battery connector (the engine would power off) and I realized after getting home that the connector was dirty; after cleaning the bike and connector, everything went back to normal.
I am surprised by the noise the new Bosch CX Race makes when being used at full power, compared to the motor on the Levo.
@@RideEverythingEverywhere 20000k on my 2021 turbo levo without an issue, battery at 95% and I have plenty of KOMs in my riding areas that tells me it is a good as any of they newer bikes , got fox 38 performance up front and X2 rear , just doesn't have the looks but I'm not wasting 5 or 10 grand on cosmetic improvements, thats on me or the bike :) Having said that , Amflow with DJI looks a possibility and will be good to see how it preforms in the wild.
I like a lot your videos and I understand the tests that you made, but each rider is different and uses the motors in different ways, I pretty sure that a different person would get different results, so, I don't think that is fare to say the "best ebike motors 2024", you should say the "best ebike motors, for me, in 2024", otherwise you may be misleading people buying the wrong system.
BTW I don't have support, work or be payed by any brand, just expressing my thoughts.
That’s a good point, the whole series was conducted by me so it’s my point of view but also the data to back it up. Definitely next time I’ll add that this my point of view
Where's the review of your new DJI bike going down a hill?
Specialized PAID not to put DJI in the comparison because it would crush the others!!!
@eloynogueira was the DJI bike release when I started this series? No so maybe think before you keyboard warrioring
what about the best unlocked motor? 😝
Bosch...mine has done 2k...speedbox 3
@@bastogne315 thanks! can you still use it as a commuter bike unlocked? I heard the Bosch will come up with error codes ? I heard the shimano is better unlocked?
Really? The Polini and Oli motors, are better than any brand on the list. And what of the Yamaha PW-S2, which has plenty of power for mid-weight riders. As for budget motors, you're better-off with a hub-drive system. Hyena, would be the preferred. Bafang, if every penny counts.
Yep not so sure mate but we are talking about main stream brands world wide. So much work went into this series so please respect my work!
idk seems like bulshit-all those motors with over run should be banned anyway-people will soon forget how to do anything and get so lazy.
im no profesional but there is no way that with an average rider that that bosch can beat the RM powerplay in any kind of test -take that cheating stroke away and it wont be even close.