What is a Cabinet Scraper and how to use it Stanley 12 and 80
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- A Cabinet scraper is God's gift to a woodworker. when properly sharpened and setup they can give a glass smoth surface. We are looking at how to set up a scraping plane and how to sharpen a cabinet scraper. though scraping hardwood is easier than scraping softwood this can do both. so if you are using a Stanley 12 or a Stanley 80, 81 or any other scraper plane or cabinet scraper this will show how to set them up and sharpen them.
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I have and use a Stanley 81 and I love it. I also use a variety of card scrapers by hand.
They're a normally used tool in my workshop.
I agree. My father in law left me his Record 80 and once I learnt the basic sharpening skill I find it one of the most used hand tools in my arsenal. Just for fun I fashioned a copy of it in good old Tasmanian hard wood. The blade I made from an old hand saw. I works really well. No quite all well as the record but hey it's works.
My brother watched your video and now understands cabinet scraper planes.
I have just finished another wooden one for him. This one I made the blade from a circular saw. It's thicker than the handsaw one so I rounded the ends slightly and it works well without bending
I sharpen by straightening the 45 d bevel with a large flat file put a slight secondary bevel with a fine diamond stone deburr with the diamond and roll the cutting burr with a large drill bit. This is so quick and easy to do and works great.
It a cheap low tech approach but it does the job really well.
Hand tool finishing is quiet, good exercise and doesn't make much dust. Also in most cases it doesn't need sanding.
I just acquired a Stanley 12 and can't wait to clean it up and do some line dancin'
Thank you,great video. I just got my no 12 and I love it
Scrapers are one of those topics that You Tubers often make reference to using, but rarely teach in any detail. Good video.
After months of careful consideration, I have decided that your's is my favorite woodworking channel. I don't know where you learned so much, but your information is always accurate and useful. And your videos are a lot of fun--you don't take yourself too seriously.
Have you noticed that you are closing in on 10M views? That should be celebrated!
Thanks Andy. That means a lot. I do like having fun in the shop. I should probably do something for 10 million views. I completely missed doing something for 100,000 subscribers.
No one noticed the splinter in his right pinky for the first part of the video?
Great video on how to use these.
Watching this old video cause I was actually just looking at Veritas scraper plane yesterday lol
You are one of the very few on TH-cam who properly describe what the adjustment screws are for on a #12 and #112. They are used for depth of cut. They are NOT for adjusting the angle of the blade. The angle does not change enough on these planes to make any difference anyway. These scraper planes are used to make shavings between .000 inch and .001 inch and require a very fine adjustment range to do this. The #80 uses the thumb screw to do this. The blades will dull quickly with too heavy a cut so set just enough to just take a shaving and no more for the wood you are cutting. The edge from a file does not last long with or without a burr. A polished edge with or without a burr will last much longer. You have shown how to do this on your leather strop. These planes would stop gathering dust on shelves if people knew how useful they are if only they knew how to use them. Good job. Love your enthusiasm and style!
So true. These are so fun once you know how to use them.
I learned to put a piece of paper (.003") in front of the blade when initially setting the blade.
Thank you! THANK YOU!!! (Written with burned&blistered thumbs and a nicely card-scraped table)
Very useful video, thank you so much for this upload!
Cheers from Poland 🍻
Always useful and well thought out. Thank you
Great video. It actually answered s9me questions I had about my Union No.60. Thanks
I have the no. 80 scraper but have always avoided using it for lack of taking the time to learn how to tame it. You make it look easy James. Another great video! Thanks
thanks. it is a fun tool once you know how to work it. have fun man!
Raining and I'm done for the day...That's one big scraper plane! cheers...rr
thanks man. love a good old tool!
I have a stanley no 12 and have been looking for instructions on how to set up and use. The blade that came with mine was sharpened like a card scraper not the 45 degree angle thx agin
glad I could help!
Thanks! I recently refurbished my grandfather's No. 12 and you answered a couple of questions I had about how to use it.
Glad I could help!
Great vid. I have one of the 12's and had no idea what to do with it - until now. Cheers!
Glad I could help.
Thanks. Just inherited a number of planes and scrapers and this is really helpful as I venture to tune them up for future use.
glad I could help. ley me know if you have any questions.
This ws a very helpful video my friend! every time i watch you i learn something
thanks. that is the best complement I cloud get!
I acquired a cabinet scraper a while ago but could never get it to work properly. Now I know how to sharpen and set it up. Thanks James!
Thanks Paul Glad I could help
Thanks James, you know I'm 73 years young, have been around cabinet making all my life (even though I've been a machinist and CNC programmer for many years) I've never seen a scraper plane as you have shown. Interesting.
Glad I can help out. there are so many things that use to be common that keep popping up. makes it a lot of fun!
I love that 73 years Young, i'll have to use It as soon as i get 'Young'.
@@Intelligent_investor, Two things; 1., They used to call me, "Young and foolish". Now they just don't call me "Young" anymore; 2, I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up.
Great video, James! I just recently finished restoring a Stanley SW No. 12 and it was an absolute blast!! I learned so much about scraping and burnishing during the research process so it was helpful to my own woodworking as well as being an awesome project. Thanks for the trip down memory lane!
Sweet man. I love hearing about tools coming back to life. There's so much fun.
This is very helpful scraper you made.But wood scraper is using my country.But you made different types of scrapers.So nice.Thanks bro
WOOOOOOOHOOOOO!!! Hey sir, after failing with other methods (maybe badly executed?) i repeated your movements, aaaand got whispy beautiful shaviiiiiiiings, and NOT desesperating DUST anymore! So simple in fact! and very effective! BIG thank you! I'll now can restore an old nice workbench saved from hipster flat "customizing"... Best regards from France :)
Thanks. Glad it worked!
Thanks - v helpful info. I have an oak bench I was sanding & using tung oil on. Then used 000 steel wool..omg I've ruined it as there are black spots everywhere in the wood grain. I'm going to try to scraper to take down the layers - hopefully to start again afresh. 😢
Oh no. Steel and oak don't mix.
I learn so much watching your videos. Thank You James.
Thanks man! that is about the best complement I could get!
Thanks- I have always struggled with the #80
Hope this helps.
Thank you!! I've been watching the woodworking shows on TV!!! I so much prefer hearing and watching you! 💟💔
thanks Mom! and congrats on first!
Thanks for the timely lesson James. I have a new Stanley 80 and it needs a tune up.
Nice. thanks!
Super information as always James. I’ve just added something else to my list of “needed” hand tools. If I keep watching your videos the way I do my woodworking is going to change tremendously. The change will definitely be for the better.Thanks as always.
I am glad I can help lighten your pocket book.
Wood By Wright you have no idea how much I’ve spent because of you and I’ve barely started. 😁
That was very illuminating. I had been considering getting one for some time. I looked on ebay (UK) for one suitable for restoration. However, they are asking ridiculous prices, typically more than £40.00, even though they actually sell for about £20.00! So I looked on Amazon (UK) and found one at £16.00 and another for £24.00, both new of course. I also discovered that many of those selling on ebay clearly did not know what they were selling as they often call it a spoke shave, which of course is something completely different!
yup. ebay is often one of the last places I look when I need to buy tools.
Awesome video. I have a No 80, 81, 82, 12, 112 and 70 scrapers. I'm hoping to get more of them. The No 282 and 292 aren't usually very expensive, but a complete 83, 87and 85(especially the 85 and 87) are ridiculous.
Many times I have gone right to finish application after scraping, on most hardwoods the resultant figure would actually be diminished by using abrasives- they flatten out the crispness of the steel cut. I would make my own card and tool blades out of old, quality hand saws, the steel has just the right amount of temper for this application, and they make great scratch stock as well. Just for grins I once bought a Sandvik scraper; it did no better than the stock used from panel saw blades- oh and I also made my own Swan Neck profiles too. ☺
so true. most of my card scrapers are old saw plates. They work perfectly!
I've been wanting to make my own scraping plane from wood like those that were made in the 1800s. Thanks for this video, I have a better idea of how I need to go about it now.
I actualy have a video on making a cabinet scraper if you want to see that.
@@WoodByWright YES!
Thanks for sharing that James. I am a noob for sure when it comes to hand tools. I have watched a lot of guys use a card scraper but I had no idea that it used a burr to cut.
I'm glad I could help. Yes once you've mastered that hook it can do amazing things.
This was very helpful. So I think I know what my next tool purchase will be. Thanks for the information. Best wishes. Mark
Thanks man. My pleasure!
Another useful demonstration - thank you ! Can I use one of these scrapers for "easing" drawers that are "sticking" ? Sounds an ideal way of doing it ? Thanks Phil
thanks. yes. they would be perfect for that.
Remind me never to go to a cash point with you. You olde smoothy!
Very informative video, I hadn't seen the Stanley 12, looks very interesting. Thanks James!
it is a fun beast!
Got a vintage 12.5 from my brother's great grandfather in decent condition. Thanks for the video. Now I can take good care of it and put it to use. What type of sharpening stones did you use? I've used water stones, oil stones; current favorite is the Worksharp Outdoor Sharpener.
I use diamond plates from DMT. They cut faster, stay clean, and do not need to be flattered. But they are not as much fun as a whetstone.
Hi James, do you go back to the stones and re-establish the burr from scratch when it starts to dull, or can you 'revive' it at all with just the burnisher? I've just bought my first no. 80 and your earlier video was a great help in setting it up - thank you.
Sometimes I can bring the bur back with just the burnisher, but only once. After that I go back and reestablish the bevel.
@@WoodByWright Thank you! Very helpful :)
Thanks for the great information. How well do they work on endgrain like on an endgrain cutting board?
They don't work as well on end grain. As they are extremely high angle like something past 90°, they tend to chatter a lot on end grain.
@@WoodByWright So what does work well then? I sanded (forever) on the last one I made and was thinking there has to be a better way. I didn’t have any hand planes at the time but thinking I might try that. The hard part is that after all the cutting and gluing to make a mess on the last step makes me want to use the right tool the first time. 😅
for end grain cutting boards the best thing is a low angle jack plane. that is the reason Stanley made the #62. it was originally called the butcherblock plane.
When do you want to use a cabinet scraper vs a scraper plane ? Or is it the same tool with different ergonomics ?
Basically the same tool just different ergonomics.
thanks for this ...I hate to sand..would this take off old paint I'm refinishing a dreaser that my wife had when she was a little girl made of white oak made in the 1800's
Absolutely.
this is about the best tool for it. between a scraper and a curved card scraper it is so much faster and cleaner then sanding.
Great information as always. Love your channel.
thanks Joshua! my pleasure!
My Stanley no12 came with wood on the bottom, and not very well cut or set I might add. Was this something that people would add to it? Or was there versions of it that came that way?
For the Stanley number 12 that was added by the user. The number 81 did come with a rosewood sole. It adds some burnishing effect to the surface and a lot of people really like using that.
Great thanks james
Hi James
What are your thoughts on Paul Sellers' idea of burnishing the back of the blade to consolidate it before faking the burr?
It helps, but in my book not enough to be worth adding in an extra step.
Just got myself a nice No 12 for a few bucks, still looking for a No 112 quite a while. Pretty hard to come across good old iron planes here for a decent price.
Also it is always interesting to see other techniques used to sharpen, work and handling tools, in Germany/Europe there are sometimes way other techniques compared to techniques common in the US that are used for the same tools.
there are hundreds of difforent ways to sharpen these. it is a great way to start an argument. LOL I just saw 4 112s this last week. got to love the good tool meets.
@@WoodByWright yea that is true! I saw your tool meet videos/stream, it is amazing what kind tools and stuff you can find there. I don't think i have something like tool meets around my area but i have my places to search for old tools haha
Would you say that the no.12 is good for going over knots in wood and reducing the tear-out around knots? I've read that cabinet scrapers are good for knots but not sure how this one does
Yes. Cabinet scrapers are phenomenal for wood that changes grained. To do a knot you really need them to be very sharp as you're basically doing ingrain right there. But the wood around the knot will be going in multiple directions and that's where a cabinet scraper really shines.
@@WoodByWright thanks for the reply. So deciding between the no.80 and the no.12, I'd probably pick the no.12 because it looks like it's more comfortable to use
Yes. The number 12 gives you more options so if you accidentally put the burr at the wrong angle you can adjust the head to match it. The number 80 is cheaper but has less options.
Love my scraper planes. Want to get an 85 but $$$
They are often marked way up.
I just recently picked up a stanley #80. The sole I a bit rounded. I've been trying to find out how flat that sole actually needs to be. Please help.
You need to be flat at all. It's basically just a holder for the card scraper. Some people intentionally put a radius on them.
Thanks for the info James! 😃👍🏻👊🏻
Anytime man. My pleasure
Thanks James for the new video. I have watched your other videos on no. 80 scrapers as well as many others on TH-cam. After sharpening my no. 80 , I still get a heavy vibration while pushing the scraper, in either direction. Any ideas on how to remedy this.
usualy a vibration is from too deep of a cut, but I would have to see more to better answer you. sorry.
Just the other day I picked up an old "scraper shave" - a card scraper mounted in a beautiful spokeshave like arangement with brass reinforcements/hardware. In addition it has a curved scraper blade as if it is ment for scraping round surfaces round edges. I have never used a scraper like this and I was wondering if anyone has experience with one and got any tips (apart from the obvious: sharpen it as a scraper use it on round edges)
Those are often kind of a gray area. Halfway between card scraper and scratch stock. I generally don't use the one that I have as I find it easier to grab a card scraper for most things like that. But if I were doing a lot I would probably pull it out more often.
Thanks for this. In the video the blades have your logo on them- do you sell cabinet scraper blades for the Stanley 80?
Those were made by DMF tool works. He is the same guy who makes the card scrapers I sell. These were pre-production tests. I think he will be selling them soon though if you look on his website he may have them up.
James.....I'm offended you didn't show the Stanley No. 112!! As always, great video!
Lol I'm sorry there are a lot of planes I just don't have
How long does a cabinet scraper blade's sharpness normally last? Compared to a card scraper
The same. They should have the same hook. So there should not be any wear difference.
Excellent, thank you.
My pleasure thanks
Honest question: what’s the point of a smoothing plane if you have a much higher chance of success with the scraper?
A smoothing plane leaves a slightly better surface. Not to mention a smoothing plane is a lot simpler to use, but in the end that's kind of a personal question. Everyone has different things that they will like so different people would prefer one over the other.
@@WoodByWright that's super interesting. Do you have any thoughts on what surface takes a finish better? I recently saw a video in which a sanding "expert" said you shouldn't handplane a surface before finishing because it won't take a finish... is there any truth to this?
A planes service will "take" finish, but for an oil based finish you will get a slightly deeper penetrating with sanding dust in the poor's of the wood. How deep depends on the wood but usually you get another 5-6 thousandths of an inch with sanding.
@@WoodByWright hmmmm. This is very interesting. I’ve been using Osmo lately and love it because of the non-toxicity and nice odor. I’m wondering if this might be a good finish for a planed surface. Thank you so much for all you do.
@@Simonfrios @Wood By Wright Isn't the other benefit of a scraper plane over a smoothing plane the much lower risk of tear-out?
Do you put a small camber on your #12 blade to avoid edge lines?
NO it does not cut deep enough to leave lines. same thing with my smoother.
have you considered building a handle for your debit Card Scraper?
I have a no. 12. Where can I find a scrapper for it?
You can use one for a Stanley number 80. Or use a card scraper that will fit in there. If you contact DFM tool works I think he is planning on selling some.
Can you tell me the difference between a cabinet scraper and a spokeshave?
A cabinet scraper has a scraping blade and is much larger. A spoke shave usually has a very small soul and has a planning blade. It cuts the wood as opposed to scraping the wood
Learning so much from you, thanks.
Why do you push the scraper away from you? Why not pull it towards you?
As a matter of fact the floor scraper ( the tool used to scrape floors in the age before electric sanders ) has a handle which is held in one hand for pulling while the other hand applies pressure to the tool head.
I would think this method of pulling the cabinet scraper would also apply.
JIM
It is good to be good at both directions. I find it more comfortable to push and more efficient, but I do both especially when the grain switches.
You never mentioned which way the 45 degree angle on the blade goes.
It depends on the direction you turn the burr. Most people turn it away from the bevel in which case the bevel would go against the plate. But if you turn it the other direction then you would turn the blade around.
Love it!!!
Thanks!
A very useful video and well demonstrated. However the music was auditory overload with the voice added to. Please consider no music in any demo or DIY video. it is so stressful to have my ears hurting like this. I had to stop could not finish.
This is an old one when I was experimenting with a few things. Now on this channel there's no voiceover and no music. All the teaching is done on the how to channel now.
It was all serious, convincing and educational. Until the last 5 seconds. 😁😁😁😁😁
(that 12 is craziness ) have wanted a 80/81 since your 3 year old vid th-cam.com/video/YmknRm4-RCU/w-d-xo.html debated building an inverted plane type thingy, but maybe I'l get an 80 soon I hope, God I hate being poor & disabled .
Sorry. I do have a tendency to make people covet
@@WoodByWright that is a fact.
Yes, to scrape the debt away
Whoever is selling a no 12 needs seriously cut back on the price. Were not rich like WBR
Funierschabhbel.