Im really new to jewellery making, i was curious one day about how rings were made and just absolutely fell in love with the process. I hope to one day be able to set micro pave settings to. Just completed my first gypsy setting today of a 3mm CZ in a silver ring.
Niklaus Fletcher try to make some "metres", with your gravermax graver, it's really the fastest way to master the technique. 1.25mm zirconia's in a 3-row uneven setting around a 5mm plain straight wedding ring will get you lots of understanding and experience to build your skills on.have fun!
Not as easy as you may think, just wait till you are confronted with old cut diamonds that are not perfectly round and have a deep girdle, then you come up with a square diamond where you have to cut the seating by hand with gravers, how do I know 50 years in the trade just setting gems
Thank you Triple six. I've got them from Bush to do a demo but upto now actually never got to use them. I'll try soon enough and let you guys know. ;-)
HI Robert Pjeter, Yes there is. IF I won't do this I might risk tilting the diamonds to one side. So by skipping one and there after doing the other side I should have all diamonds level ;-)
Lucy Dyamond with a air powered pneumatic graver we push nice bright cuts in the metal. I suggest you watch the video (or one of my others) once again. ;-)
0.85 mm.. jees that is small, very good work! How do you adjust the height of the diamonds, just push them in differently hard? But you have to be quite dam exact with the holes depth when you drill the holes anyway would be my guess.
dtiydr thanks for your comment! Let’s just say it’s a ‘feeling’ that you develop over time. All diamonds you push in with hand, so I can control the pressure
Ok I absolutely get what you mean, thank for your answer.
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Great video!!! I'm learning engraving and would like to know what is the distance you mark the holes. Is there a rule like twice the size of the diamonds?
Hi Bob, nothing more than a 'nail' with a hollow tip and a sponge with water. I 'dip' the tip in the sponge and than it will attach to the 'table' of the diamond. Matter of Cohesion =)
How do you 'calculate' how far from eachother the centerpoints have to be ? If you have stones of 1mm for example ? I don't know why I am so curious to know that 😅😍 So fascinating !
I bought the diamond thin disks and the Jura yellow, blue and the rough gray diamond disks to polish the surface of my gravers but I am having hard to how to properly use them to sharpen, polish so they are easy to use. Do you have any videos you could share with us or point me in the right direction on how to make one from scratch or even improve and polish an existing one? Ever the grateful here. Love you videos.
Gulsah.. I know its hard but it gets easy when you think what degree angle graver you need.. Picture the angle on the graver and then cut. It will be much easier. Dont forget the heel polish. If you can, id say buy the book Jewelry Engravers Manual. Its cheap but goes into detail regarding how to shape gravers in terms of angles and what angle is best for what kind of cut and how to prepate and use grabers
Hi Gulsah, Indeed, you have to practice and practice. What I also do, is re-use old ball-burs to cut a graver from it. (only the Carbide tip burs). This makes a good and cheap practice
Could you please tell me how much a diamond in this size and si1 quality would cost? I just ordered 10 1,3 mm diamonds in si quality (they should arrive soon) But I am very interested in even smaller diamonds. Thank you. (:
Awesome work!! I want to badly try this but i need a guide for ehat air conpressor to use? Is there a brand in specific that you reccomend for a pneumatic engraver to make the grooves?
Question for you boss! If I have a watch and the I can get the stones myself, would it be cheaper to get 200 1mm stones set or 100 2 mm stones? I believe setting is around $100 per carat around me so would a whole bunch of pave 1mm stones actually end up being cheaper due to the lesser carats? Thanks!
Hi The Real Fly, It would be much cheaper to set 100 2 mm stones. Good quality diamond setting, especially in steel or platina is much more expensive than 1-3 $/stone. email me for an inquiry. info@vandoorendiamonds.com
HI Ricky, these indentatoins are actually marks to drill between. They are to mark the edges of the diamonds. ;-) The drill moves at 300 rotations/minuite so it's very slow and I can easily center it without the indentation.
Great video Niels Nice steady, good focus and thanks for showing the sequence of placing the stones bending over the 'prongs'. What is the magnification used?
This is really amazing. I have a question though. Why do you make the initial drilling between the marks you made? Aren't those marks so the drill won't slip? At least that is what I've learned. I'm very new to this. Just been watching many tutorials but haven't found the courage to actually give it a go.
Thank you. for your attention. Last think. Are you happy with torque. I mean it doesn't stuck in metal or gold, or specifically jumping out from a hole (and make you nervous:) when you use a round burs. Thx in advance. :)
beautifully executed but alas just not thought about,i have been a jeweller for over 40 years,and one thing i despise the most is any stone that is not open to the back,trust me moisture and human body debris will accumulate behind the stone (beautiful white highly refractive diamonds),and god knows what else,dish water,real life stuff,this which is often acidic and will tarnish the metal as well as form a black layer up hard against the stone,good bye reactivity.and therefore all sparkle,it is very difficult to remove for the owner,sure as a jeweller we can run it through the ultrasonic,but really hard to repolish bright behind the stones without removing them,lol,so a simple 0.5 drill right through,with a small taper on the inside,to take of sharp edge solves this problem,run a drill through for gods sake why not.?? ,
HI Stephen, thanks for taking the time to write such an elaborate reply. I believe a lot of moisture comes from inside the ring and therefore piles up below the stones. I also don't drill trough to give this very narrow ring some more strength. The only time I normally completely drill trough is, when the client asks or when we do flush settings. ;-)
very detailed video and thank you for that. quick question. What tool are you using to cut a channel in between the settings time mark 22 and also time mark 24, what are you using to pick up the stones and pushing them into the seats you cut? Thank you again.
Looks same as a staking set punch having a concave tip. Watchmakers and repair guys use these staking sets for multi purpose. The punches can be found individually. Though they have the same, larger cross section size the tips will get quite small.
That is a "graver" Joe, it is used to remove small amounts of metal on each side, and then across to obtain small prongs to then "rock" or bend over the stones to hold them.
vandoorenniels Thanks for you answer! Have you used and compared it with a En Set or a Graver Mach. Im about to buy one and doing research for wich one I should get. Do you have any good inputs, how low can you set the stroke rate with the Jura? 🙂
vandoorenniels vandoorenniels Thanks for you answer! Have you used and compared it with a En Set or a Graver Mach. Im about to buy one and doing research for wich one I should get. Do you have any good inputs, how low can you set the stroke rate with the Jura? 🙂
i dislike the quality of this video because despite being a really great work, most of the times when i'm trying to pay attention to the technique used the camera is either pointing somewhere else or there's something in the way of what i'm trying to see. sorry.
the way you do the settings is too complicated and way too slow for completing the item,your making yourself hard for uncessary work and timing.there are different tools you may use for easy process and more delicate finishing,me as a diamond setter i can guide you the process.if you are intrested let me know,i can make you set 200 stones and above per day.good luck
the way you do the settings is too complicated and way too slow for completing the item,your making yourself hard for uncessary work and timing.there are different tools you may use for easy process and more delicate finishing,me as a diamond setter i can guide you the process.if you are intrested let me know,i can make you set 200 stones and above per day.good luck
HI @Levon, I am very m much interested in what you mean. This is the 'leanest' and 'cleanest' process I know of. But please enlighten me =) BTW. This way I set up to 150-175 stones a day. Of course depending on the item. Regards,
vandoorenniels first of all,to keep your drills safe and long lasting...you must lubricate it with an oil or with wax with every hole you make(it gives you the balance and speed in drilling process) and in case of the round drills you can cool it down by emerging in pevla wax (the hard orange or dark red wax),that also make you save the round drill for more holes in higher speed process,and overlasting.you dont need to draw lines with the compas in order to get straight symmetric holes for each stone(you should make the dots symmetrically after several practice and for the main speed process...use T wheel(messeinger) for grilling the both sides(depends the size of the stone...),(i personally use 0.12mm for the stones 0.08mm to 0.16)that will make your lines and angles more sharp and firm,in much higher speed of finishing the lines,that will help you do shiny lines with your bezel in no time,then you can use thicker T wheel for clearing the essential gold between the 2 holes in the same width and height with brighter straight lines between 2 holes(it will helps alot during polish and its way faster you using conic grind).hope this helps....and remember always use lubrication for cooling down the drills and round drills so you wont get melting pevla waxes,that will decrease your speed.good luck!
Im really new to jewellery making, i was curious one day about how rings were made and just absolutely fell in love with the process. I hope to one day be able to set micro pave settings to. Just completed my first gypsy setting today of a 3mm CZ in a silver ring.
Niklaus Fletcher I'm on the same boat, what was your first step after realizing how much you love this trade?
Niklaus Fletcher try to make some "metres", with your gravermax graver, it's really the fastest way to master the technique. 1.25mm zirconia's in a 3-row uneven setting around a 5mm plain straight wedding ring will get you lots of understanding and experience to build your skills on.have fun!
Muito interessante nos possibilita saber como é feita a cravacao
Not as easy as you may think, just wait till you are confronted with old cut diamonds that are not perfectly round and have a deep girdle, then you come up with a square diamond where you have to cut the seating by hand with gravers, how do I know 50 years in the trade just setting gems
Now 4 years later, how are you doing?
Great video, really clean cuts. Impressive work.
Thanks Cyle
Awesome video and excellent work! Thank you so much! I learned a lot!
Thanks to hear!
Very precise work 👏, thank you for sharing.
I think it would be great if you could talk and explain what you are doing and why. It would make for a much better tutorial video. Thank you.
Jose Rojas Thanks for the tip! I’ll consider talking in my next video
This was intense and amazing! Tyfs!
bebe rivera you’re welcome !
Thank you, now with practice soon will master the pave
Thank you for your nice words Pablo!
Amazing work. Can you recommend what steps I can take to learn to do this as a total newbie?
Hi Najmul, I would suggest to find a good mentor. I;'ve learnt it from Jura!
Thank you so much
Hi, I love your work. What is your opinion on the bush carbide stone setting burrs that mean you don't need to use multiple different types?
Thank you Triple six. I've got them from Bush to do a demo but upto now actually never got to use them. I'll try soon enough and let you guys know. ;-)
Parabéns pelo lindo trabalho !!!
Gracias Maicol!
Very good! Thank you for sharing!
Nice setting i like pave setting
Thanks Raj!
That does make a lot of sense. Thank you.
Thanks Jose! ;-)
Is there a reason you skip and push every second prong? Thanks
HI Robert Pjeter,
Yes there is.
IF I won't do this I might risk tilting the diamonds to one side.
So by skipping one and there after doing the other side I should have all diamonds level ;-)
@@heinikendude Yes, that makes sense :) I love all your videos and thanks for taking the time to reply!
hi dear
very gud and clean work
Thanks =)
Did I miss where you cut the seats or did you overcut the initial hole so the metal can simply be pushed down on top of the stone?
Lucy Dyamond with a air powered pneumatic graver we push nice bright cuts in the metal. I suggest you watch the video (or one of my others) once again. ;-)
Sont magnifiques bravo
Amani thank you for your comment
0.85 mm.. jees that is small, very good work!
How do you adjust the height of the diamonds, just push them in differently hard? But you have to be quite dam exact with the holes depth when you drill the holes anyway would be my guess.
dtiydr thanks for your comment! Let’s just say it’s a ‘feeling’ that you develop over time. All diamonds you push in with hand, so I can control the pressure
Ok I absolutely get what you mean, thank for your answer.
great job👌👌
Great video!!! I'm learning engraving and would like to know what is the distance you mark the holes. Is there a rule like twice the size of the diamonds?
0.85mm Same distance of the diamonds. You drill -in between- the dots.
I thought you drilled on the dots. Thanks for the answer!
what a music ! good video :)
Thanks!
What angle graver do you use to cut such thin bright cut borders? Are they special miniature V or onglette gravers?
These are home made gravers at 60 - 50 degree angle. V or onglette but home made ;-)
I have 0.70mm I1-i3 diamonds what can I do with them ive never set a stone before lol any tips
Hi, I;m afraid that we never use I1-I3 quality diamonds for micro pavé work. I think it lacks the sparkle for this type of diamond setting.
What pickup toll do you use to transfer the diamonds, I am just starting and have a lot to learn, thank you. Bob
Hi Bob, nothing more than a 'nail' with a hollow tip and a sponge with water. I 'dip' the tip in the sponge and than it will attach to the 'table' of the diamond. Matter of Cohesion =)
vandoorenniels That sure beats using beeswax, which I’ve used for the last 40 odd years I’ll give it a go, Ta!
Parabéns, pelo trabalho!
Thanks Ronaldo for your comment! ;-)
How do you 'calculate' how far from eachother the centerpoints have to be ? If you have stones of 1mm for example ? I don't know why I am so curious to know that 😅😍
So fascinating !
Cherokee Rogiest I don’t drill on the center. I drill in between. This way I make sure I keep my indication marks to guide my drilling. ;-)
@@heinikendude if the diamond is say 0.5mm what size drill bit and bur do i use?
great video.. what kind of graver are you using at 17 mins? carbide onglette graver or knife edge graver or?
I make all gravers myself. I cut angle with diamond disk =)
I bought the diamond thin disks and the Jura yellow, blue and the rough gray diamond disks to polish the surface of my gravers but I am having hard to how to properly use them to sharpen, polish so they are easy to use. Do you have any videos you could share with us or point me in the right direction on how to make one from scratch or even improve and polish an existing one? Ever the grateful here. Love you videos.
Gulsah.. I know its hard but it gets easy when you think what degree angle graver you need.. Picture the angle on the graver and then cut. It will be much easier. Dont forget the heel polish. If you can, id say buy the book Jewelry Engravers Manual. Its cheap but goes into detail regarding how to shape gravers in terms of angles and what angle is best for what kind of cut and how to prepate and use grabers
Hi Gulsah, Indeed, you have to practice and practice. What I also do, is re-use old ball-burs to cut a graver from it. (only the Carbide tip burs). This makes a good and cheap practice
vandoorenniels you make watch bezels for rolex
but if the stone is 1.50 how we can calculate the distance plz answer me .
Check out some of my other videos ;-)
Could you please tell me how much a diamond in this size and si1 quality would cost?
I just ordered 10 1,3 mm diamonds in si quality (they should arrive soon) But I am very interested in even smaller diamonds. Thank you. (:
Good morning Ki Ma, thanks for your email and request.
If you email me at: info@vandoorendiamonds.com I can help you out ;-)
Awesome work!! I want to badly try this but i need a guide for ehat air conpressor to use? Is there a brand in specific that you reccomend for a pneumatic engraver to make the grooves?
Hi Roger, Check out Jura! I totally recommend the 'ARTGRAVER' from Jura =)
Question for you boss! If I have a watch and the I can get the stones myself, would it be cheaper to get 200 1mm stones set or 100 2 mm stones? I believe setting is around $100 per carat around me so would a whole bunch of pave 1mm stones actually end up being cheaper due to the lesser carats? Thanks!
Hi The Real Fly, It would be much cheaper to set 100 2 mm stones. Good quality diamond setting, especially in steel or platina is much more expensive than 1-3 $/stone. email me for an inquiry. info@vandoorendiamonds.com
Hope you went with premium diamonds for the work involved
Ralph, what to you think? Obviously! ;-)
Wow amazing, I am trying to teach this myself, can you recommend any books or youtube sources? Thanks so much!!!
Thanks Shem! I would start by just practice and keep watching my videos ;-)
Hi can u show and name the tools that you used for the setting please
Hi, email me at info@vandoorendiamonds.com for more info.
What tools are used in this video?
Mostly tools of Jura Tools (reach out to him and mention my name ;-) )
I'm a bit confused. If you weren't going to drill your indentations then why make them ? Is that an edge marker for your stone ?
HI Ricky, these indentatoins are actually marks to drill between. They are to mark the edges of the diamonds. ;-) The drill moves at 300 rotations/minuite so it's very slow and I can easily center it without the indentation.
Hello! Loved this video. Could you please tell me what tool you used at min 21? thank you
HI Sarah Spadavecchia, Of course, It's a simple cylindrical or tapered bur from 0.5mm to 0.8mm. Good luck!
vandoorenniels thanks!!
Hello! What degree graver do you use? Is it 45 or 60 degree wide? Is your graver made of carbide-tungsten rod?
Phant{}m yes, 60 degrees graver and carbide 💪
cab you share what tool you use to make the bright cut ?
how much room did you leave for the side wall on each side of the holes you drilled? .5mm?
Hi Joseph, I believe the total width was 1.3 mm. So that would be about 0.2 each side.
Great video Niels
Nice steady, good focus and thanks for showing the sequence of placing the stones bending over the 'prongs'.
What is the magnification used?
Man, I agree. I have been looking forever for a video where I could see what the hell was going on. This is the first video where I finally got it!
That you 2n. And sorry for my late reply ;-) Magnification used is x 15
Now hold up fam
If i wanna drill for some 1mm stones how do i take my measures like 1by1mm or? Like how do you do it i wanna know
Hi Dark, Yes you take 1.00 mm exactly.
@@heinikendude aite bet
what kind of magnifier do you use while working this small?
I use a Meiji Microscope which enlarges about 40 times
What magnification lenses you use when work?
Emil Diaco in the microsope from x10 to x45 magnifications
This is really amazing. I have a question though.
Why do you make the initial drilling between the marks you made? Aren't those marks so the drill won't slip? At least that is what I've learned. I'm very new to this. Just been watching many tutorials but haven't found the courage to actually give it a go.
No the marks are to make sure the holes will be as closely together as possible. If you drill on the mark you loose your point of reference.
How do the diamonds stay in there ?
Hi Tommy, these are tiny diamonds hold in place with tiny prongs. Typical for micro pave setting
Very nice! What handpiece for drilling do you use?
I use the Jura Art graver. I believe it has a built in NKS
Hello. Nice job. Can you plz tell what kind of micromotor do you use?
Alex Breitling Hi, yets its from Jura Artgraver
Thank you. for your attention. Last think. Are you happy with torque. I mean it doesn't stuck in metal or gold, or specifically jumping out from a hole (and make you nervous:) when you use a round burs. Thx in advance. :)
It's the best ! Super good torque. Better then all others I used before.
vandoorenniels Thank You friend. if you will need something contact me. I'll try to help you.
Where do you get the diamonds from?
Miguel Ruiz check out my comment on your other post. Or contact me via email at info@vandoorendiamonds.com
beautifully executed but alas just not thought about,i have been a jeweller for over 40 years,and one thing i despise the most is any stone that is not open to the back,trust me moisture and human body debris will accumulate behind the stone (beautiful white highly refractive diamonds),and god knows what else,dish water,real life stuff,this which is often acidic and will tarnish the metal as well as form a black layer up hard against the stone,good bye reactivity.and therefore all sparkle,it is very difficult to remove for the owner,sure as a jeweller we can run it through the ultrasonic,but really hard to repolish bright behind the stones without removing them,lol,so a simple 0.5 drill right through,with a small taper on the inside,to take of sharp edge solves this problem,run a drill through for gods sake why not.??
,
HI Stephen, thanks for taking the time to write such an elaborate reply. I believe a lot of moisture comes from inside the ring and therefore piles up below the stones. I also don't drill trough to give this very narrow ring some more strength. The only time I normally completely drill trough is, when the client asks or when we do flush settings. ;-)
@@heinikendude thanks for the reply.
very detailed video and thank you for that. quick question. What tool are you using to cut a channel in between the settings time mark 22 and also time mark 24, what are you using to pick up the stones and pushing them into the seats you cut? Thank you again.
Simple 'nail' with a hollow point and some water. Cohesion =)
Looks same as a staking set punch having a concave tip. Watchmakers and repair guys use these staking sets for multi purpose. The punches can be found individually. Though they have the same, larger cross section size the tips will get quite small.
0.85mm, that's below 0.01 carat right?
Yes correct ! even below 0.005 ct
Hello
What type recording equipment using to make the video
thanks
Big lens and normal Cam recorder
What is the tool you're using to hold and spin the ring? I need one. I've haven't been able to find anything like that.
HI Sandra You can buy it here: www.juratools.com Pleas say hi to him from me =)
How small is 0.85 that looks really tiny and really hard to do bet there is only few people tht can do what he did
Thanks for your nice words ;-)
I been watching how they make diamond rings don't see how the diamonds stay in the ring after they cut the gold well etch it out
They are hold in place with tiny tiny prongs
hi what kind and size of graver are you using at 16mins?
60degree graver
What was the distance between each stone
Hi Zack, I believe the distance is 0.85 - 0.87 mm .So very close together ;-)
Where can we find an image of the final product?
Send me private message for final image.
👍👍👍👍💝💝💝💝🥰🥰🥰🥰 Thanks
Thanks!
No way would I make these. And they are often cheaper but so much more work.
Carolyn Brt hand made items like these hold so much passion. I love making these ;-)
What is the tool and process at 17 mins?
That is a "graver" Joe, it is used to remove small amounts of metal on each side, and then across to obtain small prongs to then "rock" or bend over the stones to hold them.
jim bettridge ah, thanks - I'm relatively new to making jewellery! Are the stones seriously only .85mm? They look a bit bigger, that is crazy small
Hi Joe, It's and ARTGRAVER from JURA. driven by an air compressor.
Yes, 0,85mm =)
Thank you :)
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Hearts!
Is the chisel air powered or are you just pushing it?
Air powered
What engraving machine do you use in your videos, is it Graver Mach?
Guldsmeden Carlberg Hi, I use art graver from Jura. It’s the best !
Guldsmeden Carlberg take care in Sweden !
vandoorenniels Thanks for you answer! Have you used and compared it with a En Set or a Graver Mach. Im about to buy one and doing research for wich one I should get. Do you have any good inputs, how low can you set the stroke rate with the Jura? 🙂
vandoorenniels vandoorenniels Thanks for you answer! Have you used and compared it with a En Set or a Graver Mach. Im about to buy one and doing research for wich one I should get. Do you have any good inputs, how low can you set the stroke rate with the Jura? 🙂
Guldsmeden Carlberg hi, strike rate can be set on the hand piece by adjusting the air outflow. Works very easy and effective
The music is the worst I’m gone
bigbadbri08 will do something about that in the near future
Oh, no. It's a rock!
Video is good, Music is horrible
I know that music is debatable. But it has something to do with copyrights ... Sorry for the hassle.
i dislike the quality of this video because despite being a really great work, most of the times when i'm trying to pay attention to the technique used the camera is either pointing somewhere else or there's something in the way of what i'm trying to see. sorry.
Is it real frauds
Micro pave jewelry is junk.
Household Dog what beautiful pieces do you have on your channel to show? None? Then stfu.
Hi Household Dog, let's agree to disagree ;-)
16:24 why you do not show the working area, but useless, irrelevant other area? Aldo continuousely hiding the working area, un focused. It annoys me.
You are correct, sorry for that. It is very hard to focus with a microscopic lens. ;-)
the way you do the settings is too complicated and way too slow for completing the item,your making yourself hard for uncessary work and timing.there are different tools you may use for easy process and more delicate finishing,me as a diamond setter i can guide you the process.if you are intrested let me know,i can make you set 200 stones and above per day.good luck
Levon Balabanian hi
plz can guide me what is ment by T wheal and plz also guide me easy way to marks for holes
Regards
Hi Levon, let's agree to disagree ;-)
the way you do the settings is too complicated and way too slow for completing the item,your making yourself hard for uncessary work and timing.there are different tools you may use for easy process and more delicate finishing,me as a diamond setter i can guide you the process.if you are intrested let me know,i can make you set 200 stones and above per day.good luck
HI @Levon, I am very m much interested in what you mean. This is the 'leanest' and 'cleanest' process I know of. But please enlighten me =) BTW. This way I set up to 150-175 stones a day. Of course depending on the item. Regards,
vandoorenniels first of all,to keep your drills safe and long lasting...you must lubricate it with an oil or with wax with every hole you make(it gives you the balance and speed in drilling process) and in case of the round drills you can cool it down by emerging in pevla wax (the hard orange or dark red wax),that also make you save the round drill for more holes in higher speed process,and overlasting.you dont need to draw lines with the compas in order to get straight symmetric holes for each stone(you should make the dots symmetrically after several practice
and for the main speed process...use T wheel(messeinger) for grilling the both sides(depends the size of the stone...),(i personally use 0.12mm for the stones 0.08mm to 0.16)that will make your lines and angles more sharp and firm,in much higher speed of finishing the lines,that will help you do shiny lines with your bezel in no time,then you can use thicker T wheel for clearing the essential gold between the 2 holes in the same width and height with brighter straight lines between 2 holes(it will helps alot during polish and its way faster you using conic grind).hope this helps....and remember always use lubrication for cooling down the drills and round drills so you wont get melting pevla waxes,that will decrease your speed.good luck!
Levon Balabanian levon why dont you create some stone setting videos for us please.. your explanations are difficult to understand