Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors below. Transcript: lexfridman.com/ben-shapiro-destiny-debate-transcript 0:00 - Introduction 1:36 - Liberalism vs Conservatism 6:49 - Education 23:06 - Trump vs Biden 43:31 - Foreign policy 56:28 - Israel-Palestine 1:11:25 - Russia-Ukraine 1:23:04 - January 6 1:39:03 - Abuse of power 1:49:01 - Wokeism 1:55:42 - Institutional capture 2:09:36 - Monogamy vs open relationships 2:14:29 - Rapid fire questions Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast: - AG1: drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil - Policygenius: policygenius.com/lex - ExpressVPN: expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off
Left vs. Right. Conservative vs. Progressive. Democrat vs Republican. Theist vs Atheist. Traditionalist vs Modernist. Man's name vs Woman's name. This debate truly encapsulated a lot. Thanks Lex.
@@QueefMcGeesHouse so i guess you're literally still flipping burgers or throwing newspapers on a bike like you did at your first job you tried to make by .. you are pathetic, i bet if you sit to debate face to face you begin to stutter and shake lol
This might be the single best debate in the last year. No yelling, very few interruptions, solid moderator, many topics discussed. A debate that's actually not enraging or frustrating to watch.
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@@brandtgebbie3636what’s the point being made? You need to have a strong argument to receive respect from Destiny? Respect should be a prerequisite for any productive discourse. Shame kore don’t see it this way
@@zeejay5397I do believe in critical thinking and basic argumentation skills are a prerequisite of respect from Destiny, which are his standards for a productive debate.
That was my first thought listening to this. He knows ben knows his stuff so he doesnt run his mouth. Yet you put him in a room with any one else and it's just shit talking the entire time. So what he's just kissing Ben's ass because he's more accomplished? I don't get it @zeejay5397
@@fakerfish1881 respect should be given well before you consider the prerequisites surrounding debate. It exists the second you choose to acknowledge someone as a human being. I disagree with Destiny’s choice to be selective with his respect. We all deserve each others respect. And it should not be dictated by how intelligent or eloquent we are.
this is just a fun debate, presidential debate is more like selling yourself to the world so the people vote for you so it becomes more like making the other person look bad and stupid
@@poet99999 I prefer watching videos that are at least an hour. But what percentage of people _prefer_ long form? Sadly, it's probably less than half of people, likely even less. *Reply to:* _"Long form, not just trying to grab legacy media sound bites"_
Ben wasn't able to bulldoze Destiny, that's why this was more "respectful" he did his typical res herrings and moving the bar like he always does, but Destiny kept on point and had valid references@navinnarayan1978
It’s really a sign of how messed up things are that the majority of comments are people saying how amazing it is that two adults are talking…like adults.
It's because these two have studied the facts and have formed their own opinions. While the rest of society consume opinions then formulate their facts
@@jamescarbon3853I mean you’re not wrong implying that most people form an opinion then gather facts, but Ben Shapiro is one of them. I agree with him on almost everything, but when it comes to Israel, he time and time again exposes his opinion in the face of facts. To the contrary of facts. For me this was enough to stop following him. There are other people out there with a soul, with a heart, that have the same domestic ideas as him. Ben is a smart man, but that doesn’t make him right all the time. On the Israel Palestine conflict, Ben is over his head and completely misguided and misinformed
@@pbjam2182 That's the magic of TH-cam - you can adjust the speed to your own liking and comfort, no matter how slow or fast the podcasters talk irl. It's incredible! Sometimes I wish I could speed up videos more than x2, but certainly not in case of this particular conversation.
@@Seamannon the thing that sucks about it is you can't speed people's speech up IN REAL LIFE. I've gotten so used to listening to podcasts at 1.5x - 2.0x that now listening to people at their normal speeds is actually harder for me.
Take notes. And I mean that literally. If you are arguing with someone you disagree with instead of feeling the overwhelming need to interject, take notes. I realize they had pre planned talking points but notice that instead of interrupting they took notes , and when it was their time to speak they made use of them. It’s simple. It’s effective. It’s respectful.
What would it take to make this a weekly podcast? Maybe a 10-part series? This was the most respectful disagreement I’ve ever witnessed and the world needs to see much more of this!
@@johneaston8314 How do you even come to this conclusion? Bro, how do you even see reality in such a way to allow you to come to such a conclusion? I’m willing to bet you watched 10 minutes before going into comments and just assuming everything based on the fact that you aren’t able to pay attention long enough to realize this was a back and fourth style of debate.
@@davidhoffman2311 insulting me rather than addressing what I said.. you didn’t get that from the video. What argument or position in this entire “debate” did destiny win on?
Well it all started when I came 2 minutes in then I climbed off and lit a cigarette whilst wheezing and asked her if she came. She rolled her eyes and said yes but accidentally called me Leroy but I know her humour so awkwardly laughed. 2nd month. After tantrums and feeling sick she went to the docs who immediately gave her a pregnancy test. She came home and broke the news that I got her pregnant and that I am one of the rare few men who can make babies even after the Snip and firing blanks. I cried and thanked her for giving me a family. I asked her to marry me but she said only if I take her name and accept her family history of having black people in it a century ago so the skin colour may skip three generations and onto my child. I said yes of course and gave her her best three minutes of sex she’s ever had. Six months later I redecorated the house in her style and even put it in her name. She thanked me. Eight months. We married with her surname and I met my Best Man whom was named Leroy whom is my gardener.she picked him to be my best man. I thanked her. The ninth month came and our baby Leroy came and she said that due to my white privilege I have to move out and put free Palestine on my Facebook profile. She said I can see my cute black son when I vote Kamala like a good little democrat
Nothing annoys me more than when Ben uses his personal religious beliefs as if it is the standard of moralism for everyone. Not everyone who is religious is moral, and not everyone who isn't religious is immoral. Edit: if you can't be objective enough to figure out what I am saying in this comment without being offended on behalf of religion or stereotyping me as "athiest", then you don't have enough emotional separation to conceive that morality goes beyond just one's personal beliefs... no matter WHAT beliefs. (Something the founding fathers had no problem understanding).
In the US that’s our standard for culture it’s built into our laws, judicial system even our money. Even for atheists in the US mosaic and Christian morality is built into them by their parents or their parents before them
Every religious person who truly believes will hold that view. If they believe their faith results in salvation and is the right way then that faith becomes the moral standard. It would be odd to expect otherwise. My Christian belief defines my morality and is the standard I desire for society.
@ccarr1025 great for you. It's not always for everyone else. Our founding fathers baked into the constitution that we all have the right to religious freedom, AND the freedom to NOT be religious.
@haleylogsdon8791 guess what else was founded by our forefathers? The choice and freedom to disagree that religion is the ONLY morality standard. And btw, Ben is Jewish, not Christian.
They are both fast talkers, I have no idea who the second dude is but he holds his own regardless of how dumb his thought process is! I love hearing intelligent arguments regardless of what side the come from!
@@claywrangler1993so you are a grifter by birth or persuasion? Either way you are an idiot? Agree or don’t agree with what either, or are saying, you can classify anyone with an opinion that utilizes that opinion to make money as a grifter, but that fact alone does not marginalize that opinion
imagine what cultural standards would change if this was the case. the bar for knowledge would be so much higher for knowledge. as of now its just a bunch of black and white buzz word cesspool word vomiting online. this type of dialogue needs to be on the main stage.
@@puertousbmonkeyif that’s all you have to discredit his factual debates and his credible knowledge in multiple subjects, then you may have a problem here
@ @puertousbmonkey when did I mention career? Since you’re here and clearly know who Destiny is, you don’t need to ask that question. You trying to use a failed attempt at a gotcha question after I just watched a 2 and a half hour debate between intellectuals is actually quite hilarious 😭
i can't explain how refreshing it is to listen to a debate where when one person is speaking, not a single word comes out of the other one until their name is called and their opponent is finished. they just silently sit and write down points to rehash on when it's their turn but there's no interrupting, or like back and forth yelling or emotions. seriously so god damn refreshing
Fortunately Shapiro isn’t formulating foreign policies. He has the audacity to condemn the Houties and support the U.S. & British bombings thus espousing ultra right wing political ideology.
This is an 8 hour debate that we had the gift of listening to in a 2 hour period. This is the first time I’ve listened to Ben Shapiro speaking with someone who talks just as fast as him. It’s like listening to a normal conversation on 8x speed minus helium voice. This is absolutely incredible and I’m here for it!
People in Congress can't have this type of discussions because they represent interests they can't openly admit to. This is why most people think politicians are idiots who don't make much sense. They do if you consider it's a balancing act between saving face in front of voters and pleasing their masters, whoever they are. Otherwise politicians are pretty smart. We just don't see it.
@zonehd3433 I put it on 2x to see what it sounded like... it reminded me of the dude that used to name all the side effects at the end of prescription commercials back in the day lol
People have wanted to see these two in the same room for what feels like a decade, and it finally happened! Pretty cool, definitely a highlight reel moment
Ben has emotional arguments, where Destiny brings pesky data into it. Much of the right actually agrees with left wing political stances; they're just in a cult and buried in simplistic propaganda that forces them to dismiss it when framed by their news outlets specifically for them.
@@JohnDelmas no, the difference between him and most republicans is the fact that most republicans dont believe J6 was a coup, by any metric of the word. Republicans also think coups are bad, interestingly enough. You define a peaceful protest where cops (who follow orders and dont do things against orders) shuffle people into a building and Nancy Pelosi REFUSES extra security for that building with prior notice, you have the logical conclusion that it was a psyop to demonize Trump more for the potential 2024 election (which he won because america didnt believe the lies). We just gonna put our fingers in our ears and ignore the dozens of examples over the years of the CIA and FBI weaponizing their powers agains the american people like the twitter files that showed CIA operatives ordering twitter to ban political rivals of the DNC? I think the reason Ben even considers J6 anything more than a peaceful protest co-opted by the DNC as a weapon is because he wants to put his foot in the mental door of radicalized leftists to at least breath reasoning into their brains.
This was probably my favorite debate I’ve listened to in a while. Both were very respectful, made solid arguments on either side, pretty much no interruptions or speaking over each other, and everything flowed well.
It is a pleasure to hear 2 intelligent, well researched people debate over a topic. No nastiness, no name calling, no disrespect. We need more of this. Bravo to both sides.
The fact that Lex still only mentions the sponsers in the description, instead of clogging up the actual video just further enforces how real he is. He could be making thousands per month, instead he chooses to provide the purest experience. Legend.
As a married man with a young daughter, marriage is useless, its just paperwork that wont change how you feel about your partner. Loved her before and love her afterward.
I would say, based on your answer, that is due to your incorrect belief of what marriage is. In my religion and belief, marriage is not simply love, but commitment. It is a structure in which to rear children and show them how to properly orient their life. Love is a major part, but so is sacrifice and commitment(which I think is the pinnacle). A child is guided, and thrives, by a mother and a father in a healthy relationship where respect and commitment is openly shown.
@Icarus4200 after reading and understanding your comment I can faithfully say, marriage doesn't change how you are going to treat your partner and shouldn't be considered a sacrifice unless you are a cheater who doesn't take care of their kids. I'll tell you man, the paper won't change you religion or not, and it's shown throughout history.
@@RyleyStorm You literally make sacrifices all the time in marriage. You do things you do not want to, you would sacrifice your life for your wife. I agree, there is no need to involve the state, but the contract is between God, and the man and woman getting married. I don't believe paper changes anything.
@Icarus4200 well hey man, we are on different pages but that's alright. I used to carry my wife (at the time girlfriend) nearly everywhere because her knees are bad, honestly speaking I don't see these things as sacrifices, it's just what you should do if you care about someone, be there for them.
This was so much better than I was expecting. Both of them are known to be fiery but damn this actually felt like a meeting of minds. LOVE when debaters aren't screaming!
@@ThaDonJsuanthank you for noticing that. Props to Destiny for being civil, but to anybody capable of following their points. Destiny would make a superficial statement that sounded good.... Until Ben dismantled it point by point with in depth facts
I think anyone that thought going in to this that there'd be anything other than well reasoned arguments and respectful dialogue hasn't watched very much of their content.
This should've been like 4-5 hours tbh. Feels like they could cover so much more ground. What a pleasure to listen to both being well mannered and considerate
@@lybnychavez6953 yeah but who knows when they will actually reconvene. Could be over a year even more. I'd love a bit meaty part 1 to tide me over. Hell I'd tune in weekly for a series lol
It’s respectful conversation from both sides. It’s obvious that they both feel strongly about their opinions but are able to create space to prevent tension from boiling over. This was a really great and interesting listen!
I believe we should call for a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want. Simple. Very simple. It's not a thousands of years matter. Zionism is danger and should not be adopted by a state.
God I hate these comments and I remembered why because there's no actual substance in them. I'm looking through these comments for what one person said and it's COMPLETELY OVERSHADOWED by "oMg what a healthy conversation!" I don't care! Yes, these are two people who realize civility looks good, now can we talk about what was said?!
I think the biggest part that also drives this debate is that they find common ground, and see where their similarities in idea are. It’s important to separate facts and common ground from opinions to keep the debate healthy. It’s about the ideas they believe, and not the person themselves. Honestly, we need more of this in everyday life and universities. It’s important to band together as US citizens, voice our concerns, but also find common ground to make sure everyone can prosper.
Conversation ben would have to actually say something for it to be a conversation. Like Ben what do you think about this? And then he doesn't answer every time.
@@WokeBegonehe’s pretty moderate. Maybe you get this opinion from clips out of context? Or you are far enough right that you see moderate beliefs as extreme
I usually don´t like debates because they often turn into a rhetorical battle with little political/philosophical substance. This debate however was an example of how a debate should be done. You state WHAT you think, you explain WHY you think what you think. The other party then state what they agree/disagree on, and why that is.
Exactly. Ben shapiro has so much "i believe, because of my narrow belief system, that if everyone was like me, we'd be better off." Ok ben, in a microcosm where every person was just you, i'm sure this would all work. but it's not like that." Ben has such rudimentary fundamentals, it's literally talking to an amish guy who can't even speak english. Ben doesn't know anything besides money and "core values.???"
Comments have to be getting deleted or something, because that's all I saw for 2 hours. Guy just brought up points to get desyroyed again and again. @@azplo
This is the longest ive listened to destiny talk without wanting to rip his throat out. We the people need more debates like this one. Its sad that the presidential debate wasn't even close to on par with this.
Finally a conversation between people from across the political aisle without constant interrupting and name calling and cheap insults, just comparing each other's ideas and trying to see where the other stands in relation to them. These kinds of conversations is what we need in an increasingly divisive world instagated by social media. It's certainly way more constructive than the 10,000th "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS leftie college student" debate about the culture war.
I had some buddies tell me it was boring and I laughed. This is how the conversation should look, if you want children arguing then watch actual politians. LOL @countbaldwin - Great comment!
I mean, you could label this one as "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS leftie cuckold" and it would still be accurate. Destiny spent at least 30 minutes whining about a merry go round when he was the one driving the carousel.
Destiny didn't do any better except maybe studied before the debate since it was a predetermined debate. Ben destroyed him on on debates that had to do with western society since he has facts on his side. geo politics is wanky since it includes foreign countries who do not have same laws as us. American politics destiny just crying trump is bad orange man. This debate was just Ben explaining how everything works to destiny.
I stopped listening at 2 hours. One of the most useless debates. Yes they are both highly opinionated and very educated on what they are opinionated 6 what a waste of such inelligence. Such surface level conversations. Why are people still debating about and defending evils of any kind. Let's move past the lesser of two evils. There are far more important conversations going on like the evolveing of mind and spirit. People are actually having deeper conversations about how the next 2k years are going to pan out and these two are worried about the past.
@@CasuallyAuthenticThis is such a childish view on what makes a deeper conversation. They discussed their own philosophies, how to they view education(which effects the next generation) their analysis of the last two presidential terms which are going to have impacts for years to come not to mention this years election, Their views on two wars which affect millions if not billions of people, about institutions in America and how they view the future of human relationships. While there are many more topics to discuss and each of these topics they could both go into more depth on to say this was surface level compared to some nonsensical view on a future we could never predict is insane
@killtheo8894 as I said, very surface level. And your statements only backs that up. I understand that you don't agree, we all have different levels of intellect. Sorry to have offended you to make you ironically call me childish. I think we're beyond being offended and offending because of different opinions. It no longer serves us. I personally just want some intellects with platforms to have deeper conversations, but then again, maybe they are just stuck in the old way too. By the way, you never did say why my opinion was childish...
It was actually a healthy debate and disagreement. As observers we didn't witness petulant smears, but an exchange of views and informations such as we now should have a better understanding not just of the topic but of the predominant views represented by these "sides". Its stuff like this that makes diversity a strength.
It's a little uncanny and a bit concerning that when previewing comments before I dive into the video, almost every comment is gushing about how wonderful it is that the conversation is civil. While I understand and sympathize with the overwhelming desire to have grounded conversations considering the state of public discourse...everywhere, this is a 2.5 hour video and the top comments are priming me to expect that very little of substance will be in the video itself because all the comments are ONLY about how civil the conversation was. Normally in videos, comments are filled with people zoning in on specific topics that get mentioned, discussing the specifics of what one person or another has said and either picking it apart or responding to it by adding further clarifying details. When I sorted comments by new, things were a lot more specific and came across a lot less...performative/masturbatory, which made me more excited for the video. But the whole thing does scratch at a suspicion I've had for a while now that because our public platforms for discourse is so awful, some people conflate more heated discussions with bad faith discussions because people tend to get angry and heated when their opponents argue in bad faith. And depending on who you agree with, you won't notice the bad faith habits of your ideological ally in the debate but will notice all the bad faith arguments of your ideological opponent, which is why most modern debates are associated with performative rage-bait and polarizing audiences into even smaller echo chambers. Throw in the fact that one side or another might start screaming back in bad faith defensively because the other side started it first, the whole thing turns into a mess really quickly. But good faith heated debates also happen, especially when serious topics are discussed. In fact, if people aren't getting a little heated in discussions about really serious topics, it's kind of a red flag indicating the possibility that the aesthetics of civility is more important than the lives affected by the politics being discussed. You run into a similar echo chamber problem running into reverse--whereas bloodsport debates are useless because nothing gets done, with the target audience being people addicted to rage, a debate running purely on civility politics becomes useless because both sides go out of their way to not challenge their opponents, to avoid controversial topics, etc etc. Anyone who cares about the subjects at hand usually end up not being the target audience--and the people who enjoy the debates are people who see politics as a game rather than a force controlling the lives of millions, often threatening their ability to survive. I'm honestly a bit pessimistic about how this video will turn out. I hope very much I'll be proven very wrong and feel very silly by the end of it.
@@VultRoos That was entirely too much to write before ever watching the fucking video. Jesus, STFU and watch it. It's Destiny and Ben Shapiro, if you think they won't have passion just because people said they liked the discourse, you don't know these two..... They live for this shit.
@@kevinhoang9074 That would be a blood bath. Ben would demolish Kyle. In the liberal - left - atheist - antTrump side there are only two people who can compete with Ben - Destiny & Sam Harris. The list is Finite.
Because they mostly agree with each other that’s why they’re not yelling at each other. There’s sports debates that are more entertaining than this garbage
Lol on mobile you can set it to 0.75 or 0.5, and then when Lex speaks you can hold your thumb on the screen and it toggles to exactly 2x until you take your finger off. I know this was probably a bit of a joke comment, but I’ve found the 2x press-and-hold feature legitimately useful 😄
@@Michael-kp4bd Didn't know this was a feature thanks. I tried it on my computer web browser as well. Looks like it's not limited to mobile. You can do the same 2x trick by holding a left mouse click.
As someone not living in America but understanding the importance of American politics to the world. This kind of debate is a breath of fresh air to what we see in main media and social media bubbles. Lex I truly am glad you have the connections and means to bring people like this together to have a good and respectable debate. This it is what is missing in our modern world. End of the day you can disagree on things and have a good debate but have a beer with each other. I used to have a good friend that politically disagreed with myself and we would debate for hours while have a few drinks and walk away more enlightened based on each others arguments to certain topics. I wish we saw more of this in the crazy state of the world we have nowz
I wish we saw more comments that has actual substance. It’s just comments copying each other and basically saying “wow what a good debate we need more of this” yeah no shit guys but who actually won? Lol!
@@UltraEgoMc Maybe it is because a lot of people are just happy that a civil long form debate is being had in this day and age. I think it’s hard to say who “won” overall in this sense as both had good points to each topic discussed. It’s just good to see the views of both sides which allows you as the viewer to hopefully mild your thoughts and beliefs on certain matters more rather than just belonging to a single team.
I would watch a weekly (or daily) talk show featuring Ben Shapiro and Destiny. Hearing calm and logical conversations about different political opinions feels SO mentally refreshing. This is what America NEEDS right now. I would pay, subscribe, or contribute whatever it takes to make this happen. The cadence and emotional intelligence regarding the subjects could be the cure for the divisive poison in our country. This might sound extravagant but this seriously helped cure my "political depression" (if that makes sense?).
Dude what do you mean, we already have the next best thing. Probably even better actually. Have you ever heard of Brianna joy grey and Robbie something something who cares and Krystal ball feat saggar enjeti? They make destiny and Shapiro look like intellectual infants.
Everyone one with an IQ above room temperature should feel exactly this way. By and large I agree with Destiny on most of these points, but if anyone comes away from this or any serious Shapiro debate accusing him of engaging in word salad means they either don't understand the definition of 'word salad' or are simply, literally too dumb to be able to follow what he's saying - and again, this doesn't mean I agree with him because for the most part, I lean pretty heavily towards Destiny, but you simply have to respect his level of intelligence AND his intellectual honesty.
I love how they're both very respectful and take the time to listen to each other's arguments. All while coming up with a well though-out rebuttal without attacking the individual. Kudos to both
Kudos for being a grown man having a respectful conversation? The world is doomed we gotta praise the bare minimum, it’s the equivalent to a woman saying she’s independent
It was kind of mind numbing. The whole thing was Ben saying what he thought, destiny saying he doesn't agree, then Ben rebutting, then destiny saying he agrees 100% with Ben... Butttttt
I dont think I've ever seen soo many positive comments on a debate before, get these two to regularly debate, it will be great for humanity as a whole.
No idea who this Lex guy is but him not saying much and just letting them go at it was perfect. He brought up new topics when it was time to move on to another topic, great moderator.
he's newer but one of the more skillful interviewers of our time. I would recommend scrolling through his previous episodes to find other guests that might interest you.
Deep and respectful conversations like this are exactly what our country needs at this time. What a breath of fresh air when measured against mainstream news segments.
I live in England and this extreme polarisation to the point where you're expected to dehumanise and hate with a vengeance people with a different point of view, MSM along with social media has fueled that mentality and it's happened here and in other western countries Canada, Australia and it came from the left leaning media, I'm Gen X voted Labour left wing till they started with the extremist must hate anyone with a different political opinion, plus the BBC and Sky News tell out right lies, I can't believe to get get half the truth I've had to turn to right-wing Conservative news outlets, the BBC as been very antisemitic and anyone that voted Brexit,( I would have voted leave if hadn't been in prison at the time) the BBC literally did everything they could and Labour to overturn the result and the BBC are meant to be neutral because their publicly funded and they pushed the all Brexiteers are racist and stupid, but the EU have had terrible policy for the UK the freedom of movement meant all the people in poor EU countries just headed to Britain for benefits and take advantage of healthcare family benefits and like the illegal migrants they abuse the system and instead of trying for asylum in the first country they head to the UK because were soft, just had an Afghan refused refugee status twice and after exposing himself and sexual assault, got a vicar to claim he'dbecome Christian and he's done a chemical attackon a woman, the leftwing has been taken over by Islamists, Destiny seems to be able to listen and see the useful idiots backing Hamas and Islamic extremism, it does make a change to hear a respectful disagreement, I was not a fan of Trump but he was much better for America, Biden is a straight crook, Putin isn't a nice bloke but Ukraine is a corrupt puppet government American foreign policy in Ukraine and keeping Russia as the boggy man instead of working to get the Russian to feel part of the west after the end of the cold war hasn't been a great idea and UK is just the same, now in the middle East the two western countries involved is the US UK, but you'll never change Islamists they're indoctrinated into the death cult, Iran is trouble and it's true what Sharpio with Iran there's no talking to the religious crazies, it was Britain and the US made Iran what it is today, women used to walk around in bikinis, the left has taken an extreme Islamist view, but Destiny has looked at the problems and gets the Israelis can't not get rid of Hamas and it's not just the leadership of Palestine the people have been indoctrinated to hate Jews, they have a kids TV programme a mouse Farfour telling small children to hate Jews and they both know the problems, agree on some ways to deal with it, if Destiny watched a few TH-cam channels, people in Gaza blame Jews not the government for their problems and not Hamas, year's of indoctrination, Sharpio is right about Trump wasn't insurrection the Democrats weaponising the DOJ to try stop him from running, both described as poles apart but they seemed to agree on a hell of a lot more than they disagree, I think for them to do this on a regular basis maybe do a podcast together and show that two guys with differences can sit in a room and I think they could be genuine freinds unless I miss read that debate they both seemed to enjoy it and those laughs and smiles seemed real and watching them might make people take a look at their cultist views and one day start go for a beer and speak to that family member they disowned over voting differently. The only thing was Destiny thinking he could be a third term POTUS was a touch of TDS, if we keep this polarised attitude towards each other the country won't heal, the woke junk white privilege is BS needs dropping, here in the UK it's white working class boys doing worst in schools. This is what people need to see even when they disagreed they found some common ground.
You and many others are misled. "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum"
This was an absolute treat. I watched the whole thing start to finish. Minimal interruptions, zero bad faith arguments, no personal attacks. Just two dudes passionately expressing their views, trying to find common ground and making sure the other knows that they respect them. Bravo to both.
@@brian1436True, I love Ben but that segment was horrible. I wish Ben could just drop the Trump narrative and stop supporting that bafoon, but I get it, it is his brand. If he came out tomorrow on his show stating how Trump is a moron a lot of his fans would probably turn on him and tank his ratings. Look what happenes to Sam Harris, the Trump cult ate him alive.
I thought they would do what they normally do (talk over people, make 50 arguments, talk down to people, and talk in circles.) The reason why they didn't is they essentially canceled each other out.
I'm definitely more progressive and do not agree with most of Ben's conservative values, but I do have to respect him in this debate. Unlike most conservatives that I see and talk to, he's genuinely knowledgeable and is willing to open his mind to certain things. Also, he is willing to condemn some of Trump's atrocious actions. I do have to give him respect, regardless if I don't agree with a lot of his views.
Lex has been the best example of a mediator in the first intelligent debate I've seen in years. This video has almost 2 million views in less than 24 hours. This should be on trending.
It is incredibly humbling to see two men debate so rigorously on topics they know so much about. To be able to transition from talking about economic and legislative terms, to discussing the Middle East, its leaders, its conflicts, and its recent history is so impressive. My takeaway from this debate is that I owe it to myself to learn more.
This was exactly how I hoped this would play out. No yelling and screaming, facts driven, give each other time to speak and LISTEN. Refreshing. More of this in the world please and more of Ben and Destiny.
i feel like their intros are synonymous in form. they both want the government to incentivize "good" things. and names those good things as constitution and bill of rights. but destiny is saying they should incentivize maslows heirarchy for those in need so they can enjoy those freedoms. otherwise its a slippery slope of trickle up power
I’ve learned more about what is going on in our government in the first half of this debate than I have in the past 10 years 😮 And I didn’t even finish it yet. Let’s normalize hearing intelligent arguments from both sides.
I love that the moderation was only there to ask questions, and these two allowed each other to make their points. Can you imagine if this was the standard for a presidential debate? We might be able to actually have an informed vote.
Not likely to happen cuz these 3 men are very intelligent, articulate, and respectful individuals. I'm not saying they are saints or care particularly about every person, but these guys are relatively fair level headed and real. The personalities that usually succeed in US politics today are sensationalist demagogues who function on mob mentality and will say whatever they have to WIN PEROID.
Destiny was throwing subtle digs at Ben a lot which i think most people would miss if not paying close attention to him. I have noticed this a lot with him in other videos and i don't think its necessary and just makes him look slightly petty in my opinion considering Ben was not doing the same and actually looked like he was enjoying the discussion.
Haven’t seen a logical discussion of ideas like this pertaining to the right and left in probably 5 years. No name-calling, attempts at ‘gotcha’ moments, constant interrupting, etc. This was refreshing.
Let me help you out Ben, this argument is to point out that trump is unfit for office. Anyone with a couple brain cells and a modicum of integrity knows that.
It’s because Destiny is one of the few liberals that can actually debate, you can put him with almost any conservative and it’ll go well. Most of the liberals I’ve seen debate instantly go to personal attacks and constant interrupting like they’re afraid to let them speak a full sentence.
Destiny was a bit more tame here than he has been. Lately he has been terrible in debates, just gets so worked up he sounds manic, talks over people, etc. Here was better, though a couple times he got a bit into patronization.
@@treshawndeandrelol that comment can easily be made by a person on the left referring to the right. The reason why most debates are not civil because of people like you who assumes that the other side is always argue in bad faith
I'm sorry for your loss. Try to build community around you in whatever way you can, attending events/groups, making friends with neighbours - build a support structure to make things easier. Many indigenous tribes across the world have a model where everyone in the group takes responsibility of raising children, so it is not such a burden on any individual, and it is a strategy that works wonders. If you can ensure they have some sort of strong, positive male role model in their lives, they'll be better off for it. I wish you all the luck in the world.
You mean Shapiro schooling this guy on basic economics lmao this isn’t a debate or a discussion this a pleb bringing up talking points and grasping for affirmation
Destiny just demonstrated a greater reason why to vote for Trump instead of Biden, regardless of your position, liking them or not. Voting for Biden is like admitting publicly that your an idiot and you only wanna be part of the pack and not use your reasoning.
@@eugenioasanchezperez1406 Voting for Trump after all the shit he's done is probably the most retarded thing I've seen conservatives justify. If Biden or any Democrat tried to bring fake electors to overturn an election, y'all would be claiming "deep state" and attempted coup(rightfully so). Not even factoring his legislative failures and inability to unite or compromise on policy.
@@chasmriscraig I think that Ben is mostly indifferent towards Destiny (maybe slightly unfavorable view due to polygamy) and that Destiny, on the other hand, respects and somewhat admires Ben
I agree with Ben that stable households are more likely to produce productive members of society. But the notion that (shotgun) marriages are magically going to produce such stable households is a ridiculous take. Stable households are created when people love and support each other and when they are in a financially healthy position (among other things). Marriage can be a side-product of this, but it's not the cause.
No slander, personal attacks, talking over each other. Amazing. They're really well informed and it's so nice to see maturity of letting each other speak and respecting necessary interruptions were suitable. They kept it professional and I think Lex's presence helps with that heh..
First minutes in destiny alludes to Shapiro being on the conservative Merry go round. While telling us AC is the reason kids aren't doing so good in schools
Hes more restrained because he respects Ben. In the beginning, Destiny started off by complimenting Ben. If he was debating Alex Jones, he would be unhinged...
He is in constant pain throughout. Constantly rambling his anti trump agenda. Can't even admit to most obvious things that less war in the middle east under Trump 😅
If only presidential candidates were as cordial and respectful as Ben and Destiny. Sadly most people who seek political office are power hungry and not decent people.
@@jayzhou104Well yeah, been to Cali lately. It's a s***hole As far as this one goes. You have a Harvard law school grad correcting a streamer with TDS
@@davestuddaman8127 which himself described as total useless unless you are a stem major. I wouldn't use degree as a way to silence someone. Destiny makes great points.
The problem with beliefs like “shotgun marriages will help solve lots of social and economic problems” is that they take a few seconds to say but they’re so divorced from reality that they take hours to debunk
Notice how both of them take a second to respond. That is them thinking about what the other said instead of immediately denying or disagreeing. This does not happen in normal debates. Sad.
That's how normal debates r , I guess u never watched debates at school college level, abnormal debates r the ones u see from politicians and podcasters who just does it for views. 🙄
Well, at some point you get tired of the double standard for behaviour and facts. Shapiro is smart enough to know those stuff about Trump, yet still bands a million degrees to find a way to support him.
@@blackjack47 biggest pile of crap I've ever seen. Ben calls out Trump all the time. Check things out before you type. And anyone thinking that it's okay to say what Destiny did just because "you get tired of the double standard" is just as messed up. Congratulations
@@blackjack47Dude Destiny called Trump an insurrectionist and used that to slander an innocent man who was murdered. A claim that is so easy to disprove yet is continually parroted by people with no argument. Destiny is a clown.
@@JimKim-0I guess calling out trump means supporting an insurrectionist and the defense being “the guardrails will hold” despite being gifted total and utter criminal immunity by scotus; that’s called a king kid
That would be great but I don't think our two current front-runners for each party would be able to keep up unfortunately. Probably some younger candidates would be a good idea
We need more of this. 1 on 1 podcasts are great, but there is something very valuable about two smart people who do not agree going back and forth in a civil manner with a host to guide the conversation. Thank you Lex
It was a great convo. One thing I noticed is Destiny did a great job not answering about open relationships! His marriage is prime evidence that they are evil, selfish, and stupid. Which is why he didnt want to talk about it.
I agree. In this age of podcasts and TH-cam, it is possible and necessary to have long form debates to be the norm. The short time limited TV debates are simply the worst format to have a meaningful debate.
@@ryanvacation7319they do it on purpose to keep average Americans dumbed down with like 5 talking points with no real detail while both sides are just donor puppets and that’s who’s really making the laws
You don't understand politics in this country then. It's set up that way on purpose. They don't want anyone digging too deep bc it all leads back to lobbyists.
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0:00 - Introduction
1:36 - Liberalism vs Conservatism
6:49 - Education
23:06 - Trump vs Biden
43:31 - Foreign policy
56:28 - Israel-Palestine
1:11:25 - Russia-Ukraine
1:23:04 - January 6
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1:55:42 - Institutional capture
2:09:36 - Monogamy vs open relationships
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Left vs. Right. Conservative vs. Progressive. Democrat vs Republican. Theist vs Atheist. Traditionalist vs Modernist. Man's name vs Woman's name. This debate truly encapsulated a lot. Thanks Lex.
Yes but the man woman shit
@@QueefMcGeesHousehes connected because hes jewish? Smh
Stripper* name
Imagine being on the side of the guy whos wife is currently getting resized 🤣@@QueefMcGeesHouse
@@QueefMcGeesHouse so i guess you're literally still flipping burgers or throwing newspapers on a bike like you did at your first job you tried to make by .. you are pathetic, i bet if you sit to debate face to face you begin to stutter and shake lol
Lex hosting the SuperBowl for nerds is a great gift to us all
Yeah boi!
YESYESYES
exactly how i thought of it😂
sadly destiny is like an expansion team that somehow ends up playing the patriots in this "superbowl"
This was dogshit.
Malcom Collins, the Venture Capitalist Stanford Grad Pro-Natalist would eviscerate BOTH of these clowns. js
Playing this at 0.25x speed so I can follow 👂 👂
Weird seeing you here man lmao didnt know you were based like that
😂😂 right
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Heyyy it's you I love your channel
lol exactly. I usually watch everything on 1.75 and these 2 are about the only people I cannot do that with. 😂
“History moves in one direction”
“Why?”
“Because of.. time?”
Killed me lmfao
lol people always say history is doomed to repeat itself as well
Someone please post the time stamp lmfao
@@kiararios327114:50
14:53 followed by ben breaking down why destiny's idea is a ridiculous one
history doesn't move in one direction LOL. look how many countries moved backwards politically
This might be the single best debate in the last year. No yelling, very few interruptions, solid moderator, many topics discussed. A debate that's actually not enraging or frustrating to watch.
Very true, most people are incapable of doing this
You clearly don’t consume much content then
Destiny isn’t a true representative of the Palestinian cause
Yeah its 2 people that respect each other beforehand. I think that has a lot to do with it. Both fully realize the other one isn't an idiot.
@@rebhi8 That’s correct because he’s openly pro-Israel 🤨
This is 100x better than any presidential debate will ever be
This should be the presidential debate!
If trump is allowed to gish gallop again it'll be 1,000,00x better
Because presidential debates are just political theatre
gish gallop ... @@IronBrigadeStudios
Its not so unlikely that either of these guys might do down that road in 20 or 30 years.
This is the longest I've listened to Ben speak without hearing an ad read.
Benji is a real money grubber and he's promoted outright scams.
@@gmancolo Well yeah just look at his tiny hat
Did you make this comment at work? If so I guess you and Ben can relate.
Lmao
Quick you can still get these special addition gold coins from the U-S mint. Only with this special offer can you dump all your life savings on this once in a lifetime super-duper for realsies! deal of the century! Hurry before your evil gay loving liberal kids tell you it's a scam cause they hate freedom!!
Destiny not being condescending because he knows Ben knows his stuff. He was not like this for the Jubilee Dem vs Trump debate.
Ben is actually providing Coherent arguments rather than grandstanding like the trump supporters did in that video.
@@brandtgebbie3636what’s the point being made? You need to have a strong argument to receive respect from Destiny?
Respect should be a prerequisite for any productive discourse. Shame kore don’t see it this way
@@zeejay5397I do believe in critical thinking and basic argumentation skills are a prerequisite of respect from Destiny, which are his standards for a productive debate.
That was my first thought listening to this. He knows ben knows his stuff so he doesnt run his mouth. Yet you put him in a room with any one else and it's just shit talking the entire time. So what he's just kissing Ben's ass because he's more accomplished? I don't get it @zeejay5397
@@fakerfish1881 respect should be given well before you consider the prerequisites surrounding debate. It exists the second you choose to acknowledge someone as a human being.
I disagree with Destiny’s choice to be selective with his respect. We all deserve each others respect. And it should not be dictated by how intelligent or eloquent we are.
It’s actually insane how much more respectful and mature this was than the past few presidential debates
Long form, not just trying to grab legacy media sound bites
this is just a fun debate, presidential debate is more like selling yourself to the world so the people vote for you so it becomes more like making the other person look bad and stupid
@@poet99999 I prefer watching videos that are at least an hour.
But what percentage of people _prefer_ long form? Sadly, it's probably less than half of people, likely even less.
*Reply to:* _"Long form, not just trying to grab legacy media sound bites"_
Damn imagine this presidential race haha.
Ben wasn't able to bulldoze Destiny, that's why this was more "respectful" he did his typical res herrings and moving the bar like he always does, but Destiny kept on point and had valid references@navinnarayan1978
It’s really a sign of how messed up things are that the majority of comments are people saying how amazing it is that two adults are talking…like adults.
It's because these two have studied the facts and have formed their own opinions. While the rest of society consume opinions then formulate their facts
@@jamescarbon3853 if you hit reply please reply to what I wrote, otherwise just comment on the video
@@jamescarbon3853I mean you’re not wrong implying that most people form an opinion then gather facts, but Ben Shapiro is one of them. I agree with him on almost everything, but when it comes to Israel, he time and time again exposes his opinion in the face of facts. To the contrary of facts. For me this was enough to stop following him. There are other people out there with a soul, with a heart, that have the same domestic ideas as him. Ben is a smart man, but that doesn’t make him right all the time.
On the Israel Palestine conflict, Ben is over his head and completely misguided and misinformed
We’ve had almost 8 years of polarized echo chambers bursting out like an H bomb. Fomented by people like Trump, like Shapiro’s company, etc..
@@sajedchreim7118misinformed in what way? It’s probably his special interest topic if anything.
I've been waiting for these two to have a sitdown forever. 4 hours of debate in 2 hours.
If you play it at half speed, the video almost sounds like a regular conversation
@@pbjam2182 .075x is a good listening speed.
You must love dumb!
@@pbjam2182 That's the magic of TH-cam - you can adjust the speed to your own liking and comfort, no matter how slow or fast the podcasters talk irl. It's incredible!
Sometimes I wish I could speed up videos more than x2, but certainly not in case of this particular conversation.
@@Seamannon the thing that sucks about it is you can't speed people's speech up IN REAL LIFE. I've gotten so used to listening to podcasts at 1.5x - 2.0x that now listening to people at their normal speeds is actually harder for me.
Take notes. And I mean that literally. If you are arguing with someone you disagree with instead of feeling the overwhelming need to interject, take notes. I realize they had pre planned talking points but notice that instead of interrupting they took notes , and when it was their time to speak they made use of them. It’s simple. It’s effective. It’s respectful.
What would it take to make this a weekly podcast? Maybe a 10-part series? This was the most respectful disagreement I’ve ever witnessed and the world needs to see much more of this!
I honestly didn’t see the appeal. It was just Ben walking destiny around the track for 2 hours
@@johneaston8314Wrong
@@johneaston8314 How do you even come to this conclusion? Bro, how do you even see reality in such a way to allow you to come to such a conclusion?
I’m willing to bet you watched 10 minutes before going into comments and just assuming everything based on the fact that you aren’t able to pay attention long enough to realize this was a back and fourth style of debate.
All 3 should be laughed out of polite society.
@@davidhoffman2311 insulting me rather than addressing what I said.. you didn’t get that from the video. What argument or position in this entire “debate” did destiny win on?
Ben finally having a conversation with someone who speaks as fast as he does.
Can anyone else keep up though? I feel if the two talk any faster they'll punch a hole in the space/time continuum.
Ben's faster... just saying.
@googleisevil8958 I enjoy when people talk fast, I usually speed up to 1.25x on videos but these two I have no need lmao
Two turbo manlets.
actually...in this case i thought they were noticably slower...
This needs a round 2 ASAP after everything that has happened in the last 9 months.
YES PLEASE
Well it all started when I came 2 minutes in then I climbed off and lit a cigarette whilst wheezing and asked her if she came. She rolled her eyes and said yes but accidentally called me Leroy but I know her humour so awkwardly laughed.
2nd month. After tantrums and feeling sick she went to the docs who immediately gave her a pregnancy test. She came home and broke the news that I got her pregnant and that I am one of the rare few men who can make babies even after the Snip and firing blanks. I cried and thanked her for giving me a family. I asked her to marry me but she said only if I take her name and accept her family history of having black people in it a century ago so the skin colour may skip three generations and onto my child. I said yes of course and gave her her best three minutes of sex she’s ever had.
Six months later I redecorated the house in her style and even put it in her name. She thanked me.
Eight months. We married with her surname and I met my Best Man whom was named Leroy whom is my gardener.she picked him to be my best man. I thanked her.
The ninth month came and our baby Leroy came and she said that due to my white privilege I have to move out and put free Palestine on my Facebook profile. She said I can see my cute black son when I vote Kamala like a good little democrat
@levib1751 😂 after trump is about to win I know Destiny is losing his mind
Yes!
@@local.okc.gymratI hope Destiny realizes how delusional he is. No one wants these people in office..
Nothing annoys me more than when Ben uses his personal religious beliefs as if it is the standard of moralism for everyone.
Not everyone who is religious is moral, and not everyone who isn't religious is immoral.
Edit: if you can't be objective enough to figure out what I am saying in this comment without being offended on behalf of religion or stereotyping me as "athiest", then you don't have enough emotional separation to conceive that morality goes beyond just one's personal beliefs... no matter WHAT beliefs.
(Something the founding fathers had no problem understanding).
Facts
In the US that’s our standard for culture it’s built into our laws, judicial system even our money. Even for atheists in the US mosaic and Christian morality is built into them by their parents or their parents before them
Every religious person who truly believes will hold that view. If they believe their faith results in salvation and is the right way then that faith becomes the moral standard. It would be odd to expect otherwise. My Christian belief defines my morality and is the standard I desire for society.
@ccarr1025 great for you. It's not always for everyone else.
Our founding fathers baked into the constitution that we all have the right to religious freedom, AND the freedom to NOT be religious.
@haleylogsdon8791 guess what else was founded by our forefathers? The choice and freedom to disagree that religion is the ONLY morality standard.
And btw, Ben is Jewish, not Christian.
This must be the world record for most words-per-minute in a podcast. It's closer to a rap battle than a debate
2 grifters debating. I'm Jewish by birth and first settler on the other side, but i don't grift politically so my opinion doesn't matter
They are both fast talkers, I have no idea who the second dude is but he holds his own regardless of how dumb his thought process is! I love hearing intelligent arguments regardless of what side the come from!
@@claywrangler1993so you are a grifter by birth or persuasion? Either way you are an idiot? Agree or don’t agree with what either, or are saying, you can classify anyone with an opinion that utilizes that opinion to make money as a grifter, but that fact alone does not marginalize that opinion
@@bpharaoh8765 who is the one you know then?
I listened to this on spotify and slowed the speed down to 0.8x. Highly advise everyone else to do the same.
If only presidential debates were this substantive and good faith. This is what America needs.
imagine what cultural standards would change if this was the case. the bar for knowledge would be so much higher for knowledge. as of now its just a bunch of black and white buzz word cesspool word vomiting online. this type of dialogue needs to be on the main stage.
They used to be. Watch Kenny vs. Nixon 1960.
America doesn't vote for nerds. The last time we elected a nerd was Nixon.
For real... the presidential debates aren't even debates
3000% if you didn't say it, I would have. This is what we should champion.
This debate is 2 hours long but if you factor in relative talking speed it's really a six hour debate.
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You are not wrong.
Hyperbolic Debate Chamber
true
@@instanttregrethyperbolic lion tamer
I earned more respect for both of them due to this debate, very polite and good debate with limited, but proper moderation
Someone needs to make a version of this where Ben Shapiro talks at 0.75x, Destiny talks at 1x, and Lex Fridman talks at 1.5x.
This is perfect😂
I can't take someone seriously named Destiny 😂
@@puertousbmonkeyif that’s all you have to discredit his factual debates and his credible knowledge in multiple subjects, then you may have a problem here
@@apoet9144 ok, what career does he have?
@ @puertousbmonkey when did I mention career? Since you’re here and clearly know who Destiny is, you don’t need to ask that question. You trying to use a failed attempt at a gotcha question after I just watched a 2 and a half hour debate between intellectuals is actually quite hilarious 😭
I'm so glad this is finally happening! Excited to watch!
Did you smash the like button?
@@theageofhypocrisee I think someone has smashed Destiny's wife during that podcast
@@theageofhypocrisee🤣
manifest destiny
Smashed destiny's wife@@theageofhypocrisee
i can't explain how refreshing it is to listen to a debate where when one person is speaking, not a single word comes out of the other one until their name is called and their opponent is finished. they just silently sit and write down points to rehash on when it's their turn but there's no interrupting, or like back and forth yelling or emotions. seriously so god damn refreshing
Fortunately Shapiro isn’t formulating foreign policies. He has the audacity to condemn the Houties and support the U.S. & British bombings thus espousing ultra right wing political ideology.
now lets look at the hasan card
Yes, very nice to see, you actually get to hear every point.
Did you actually watch the entire thing?
idk ben kept interrupting especially later on
This is an 8 hour debate that we had the gift of listening to in a 2 hour period. This is the first time I’ve listened to Ben Shapiro speaking with someone who talks just as fast as him. It’s like listening to a normal conversation on 8x speed minus helium voice. This is absolutely incredible and I’m here for it!
Imagine if this was the type of discussion we had in Congress. Our country would be so much better.
Isnt it amazing that this discussion is free? They have real jobs. The time and money wasted in u.s government constant tug of war is just wild
Regardless of Biden or trump, you have two people who understand. We could never hope for so much in any country.
yes. left and right thinkers alike. and I personally would rather see them on the same debate team. Defending Israel for example.
@@tnndll4294 lets be honest they are on the same team.
People in Congress can't have this type of discussions because they represent interests they can't openly admit to. This is why most people think politicians are idiots who don't make much sense. They do if you consider it's a balancing act between saving face in front of voters and pleasing their masters, whoever they are.
Otherwise politicians are pretty smart. We just don't see it.
Finally, a conversation at a natural 1.5x speed without having to adjust settings!
I missed a few words myself.
Am I so mentally ill that I can watch this on 2x speed?
@@zonehd3433that’s gotta be brainrot
@zonehd3433 I put it on 2x to see what it sounded like... it reminded me of the dude that used to name all the side effects at the end of prescription commercials back in the day lol
@@zonehd3433 No, I don't know what they all are about. I'm watching at 2x myself
People have wanted to see these two in the same room for what feels like a decade, and it finally happened! Pretty cool, definitely a highlight reel moment
Must've felt drier than a desert
This is the way debates should be. It's actually a debate/dialogue. Well done and informative.
I'm so glad this finally happened. I also believe they tried to understand each other. Very respectable of both participants.
This is what Jubilee's "middle ground" should actually be, saw loads of mutual agreements here despite the political divide
Ben says trump couping government is bad, when most of republican base disagrees. interesting.
I switched stance back and forth at least 10 times in this video because both of them have a lot of good arguments
Ben has emotional arguments, where Destiny brings pesky data into it. Much of the right actually agrees with left wing political stances; they're just in a cult and buried in simplistic propaganda that forces them to dismiss it when framed by their news outlets specifically for them.
@@JohnDelmas What Ben says when he's outside his echo chamber, and what Ben supports and enables, are two very different things.
@@JohnDelmas no, the difference between him and most republicans is the fact that most republicans dont believe J6 was a coup, by any metric of the word. Republicans also think coups are bad, interestingly enough. You define a peaceful protest where cops (who follow orders and dont do things against orders) shuffle people into a building and Nancy Pelosi REFUSES extra security for that building with prior notice, you have the logical conclusion that it was a psyop to demonize Trump more for the potential 2024 election (which he won because america didnt believe the lies).
We just gonna put our fingers in our ears and ignore the dozens of examples over the years of the CIA and FBI weaponizing their powers agains the american people like the twitter files that showed CIA operatives ordering twitter to ban political rivals of the DNC?
I think the reason Ben even considers J6 anything more than a peaceful protest co-opted by the DNC as a weapon is because he wants to put his foot in the mental door of radicalized leftists to at least breath reasoning into their brains.
This was probably my favorite debate I’ve listened to in a while. Both were very respectful, made solid arguments on either side, pretty much no interruptions or speaking over each other, and everything flowed well.
Trump knows how he lost is the problem!!
They’re both vile Zionists, this is barely a decade.
@p0tatobiden250 good boy. You listen so well. Now vote for who we tell to vote for.
Why?
@@markovichglass ?
It is a pleasure to hear 2 intelligent, well researched people debate over a topic. No nastiness, no name calling, no disrespect. We need more of this. Bravo to both sides.
LEX HOLD MORE DEBATES PLEASE, THIS COUNTRY NEEDS THIS! 🎙️
MUCH APPRECIATED 🇺🇸☮️
Have Nick Fuentes on
There are limits. @@jpg6113
@@jpg6113 yep, because listening to Ben Shapiro and destiny for more than 5 minutes didn't already cost me enough brain cells.
@@jpg6113ew no
Debate is not the end game of conversation you think it is. There’s no saving this country
I'm not saying that these two should do a weekly discussion, but I'd totally watch if they did.
Maybe not weekly, but I'd totally go for monthly.
Need to add Alex Jones and I'd tune in for sure
@@egroendyk What passes for good for you then just curious?
@@egroendykhey buddy, hope you're doing well, just wanted to tell you to shut up. Adding nothing useful and you're wrong
They should have a podcast
The fact that Lex still only mentions the sponsers in the description, instead of clogging up the actual video just further enforces how real he is. He could be making thousands per month, instead he chooses to provide the purest experience. Legend.
He could be making thousands per month 😂😂 wdym, he is making thousand per month
@hiddxnlxavxs3968man shut up bro
Making thousands per month 😂 Dude he makes thousands per couple days if not every day
Hadn't even noticed that, but massive +1
It enforces that he's financially comfortable
As a married man with a young daughter, marriage is useless, its just paperwork that wont change how you feel about your partner. Loved her before and love her afterward.
I would say, based on your answer, that is due to your incorrect belief of what marriage is. In my religion and belief, marriage is not simply love, but commitment. It is a structure in which to rear children and show them how to properly orient their life. Love is a major part, but so is sacrifice and commitment(which I think is the pinnacle). A child is guided, and thrives, by a mother and a father in a healthy relationship where respect and commitment is openly shown.
@Icarus4200 after reading and understanding your comment I can faithfully say, marriage doesn't change how you are going to treat your partner and shouldn't be considered a sacrifice unless you are a cheater who doesn't take care of their kids. I'll tell you man, the paper won't change you religion or not, and it's shown throughout history.
@@RyleyStorm You literally make sacrifices all the time in marriage. You do things you do not want to, you would sacrifice your life for your wife. I agree, there is no need to involve the state, but the contract is between God, and the man and woman getting married. I don't believe paper changes anything.
@Icarus4200 well hey man, we are on different pages but that's alright. I used to carry my wife (at the time girlfriend) nearly everywhere because her knees are bad, honestly speaking I don't see these things as sacrifices, it's just what you should do if you care about someone, be there for them.
This was so much better than I was expecting. Both of them are known to be fiery but damn this actually felt like a meeting of minds. LOVE when debaters aren't screaming!
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Ben vs destiny was as if ben read the whole article and destiny just read the headline. He just didnt know the details on anything.
@@ThaDonJsuanthank you for noticing that. Props to Destiny for being civil, but to anybody capable of following their points. Destiny would make a superficial statement that sounded good.... Until Ben dismantled it point by point with in depth facts
They are two sides of the same coin They are both ultra liberal
I think anyone that thought going in to this that there'd be anything other than well reasoned arguments and respectful dialogue hasn't watched very much of their content.
We need parts 2 through 10.
This is the best thing I've watched on TH-cam... maybe ever
Wait until you find Skibiddi toilet.
Mind blowing.
@jjboss7896 how is it ironic?
@@robbirose7032thx for the nightmares
Chocolate rain - #1. This video is a close 2nd.
You've never seen Salad Fingers??
This should've been like 4-5 hours tbh. Feels like they could cover so much more ground. What a pleasure to listen to both being well mannered and considerate
They need to start a series
Lex said it’s part 1 didn’t he
they both speak fast enough that it was
5 hours and continue taping while they have pizza/beer together.
@@lybnychavez6953 yeah but who knows when they will actually reconvene. Could be over a year even more. I'd love a bit meaty part 1 to tide me over.
Hell I'd tune in weekly for a series lol
Thank you Destiny for actually commenting on actual foreign policies, instead of Ben's tired "Trump good no war, Biden bad war" trope
Did you miss the 10 minutes of bidens
@bossdelgado6835 what are you trying to say?
I enjoy this type of debate. No screaming over each other. Just a conversation where the content is more important than the show
It’s respectful conversation from both sides. It’s obvious that they both feel strongly about their opinions but are able to create space to prevent tension from boiling over. This was a really great and interesting listen!
I believe we should call for a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want.
Simple. Very simple.
It's not a thousands of years matter.
Zionism is danger and should not be adopted by a state.
@@youssefdiraniwhat’s so dangerous about it?
God I hate these comments and I remembered why because there's no actual substance in them.
I'm looking through these comments for what one person said and it's COMPLETELY OVERSHADOWED by "oMg what a healthy conversation!"
I don't care! Yes, these are two people who realize civility looks good, now can we talk about what was said?!
I think the biggest part that also drives this debate is that they find common ground, and see where their similarities in idea are. It’s important to separate facts and common ground from opinions to keep the debate healthy. It’s about the ideas they believe, and not the person themselves.
Honestly, we need more of this in everyday life and universities. It’s important to band together as US citizens, voice our concerns, but also find common ground to make sure everyone can prosper.
A Debate without interuptions, Arguing & actually having a conversation and trying to understand eachothers perspective.
Great Podcast Episode
Really? Because Destiny is batshit crazy, so I don't see it possible myself. I'll find out when I finish the video I guess.
Conversation ben would have to actually say something for it to be a conversation. Like Ben what do you think about this? And then he doesn't answer every time.
@@WokeBegone more sane than you though
@WokeBegone you've named your account wokenegone you biases have already blinded you too much lol
@@WokeBegonehe’s pretty moderate. Maybe you get this opinion from clips out of context? Or you are far enough right that you see moderate beliefs as extreme
I usually don´t like debates because they often turn into a rhetorical battle with little political/philosophical substance. This debate however was an example of how a debate should be done. You state WHAT you think, you explain WHY you think what you think. The other party then state what they agree/disagree on, and why that is.
Exactly. Ben shapiro has so much "i believe, because of my narrow belief system, that if everyone was like me, we'd be better off." Ok ben, in a microcosm where every person was just you, i'm sure this would all work. but it's not like that." Ben has such rudimentary fundamentals, it's literally talking to an amish guy who can't even speak english. Ben doesn't know anything besides money and "core values.???"
And debates are supposed to be like this. Subject matter...each person answers question. Then they debate their points. May the best person win.
Yes, but destiny doesn't even know what he believes. He say something stupid, gets destroyed, and then moves onto another stupid point. Clown show
Doesn't matter if what you believe in is stupid which is the case for both of these creeps
Comments have to be getting deleted or something, because that's all I saw for 2 hours. Guy just brought up points to get desyroyed again and again. @@azplo
This is the longest ive listened to destiny talk without wanting to rip his throat out. We the people need more debates like this one. Its sad that the presidential debate wasn't even close to on par with this.
Finally a conversation between people from across the political aisle without constant interrupting and name calling and cheap insults, just comparing each other's ideas and trying to see where the other stands in relation to them. These kinds of conversations is what we need in an increasingly divisive world instagated by social media. It's certainly way more constructive than the 10,000th "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS leftie college student" debate about the culture war.
I had some buddies tell me it was boring and I laughed. This is how the conversation should look, if you want children arguing then watch actual politians. LOL @countbaldwin - Great comment!
I wouldn't call Destiny a far leftist
I mean, you could label this one as "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS leftie cuckold" and it would still be accurate. Destiny spent at least 30 minutes whining about a merry go round when he was the one driving the carousel.
Destiny didn't do any better except maybe studied before the debate since it was a predetermined debate. Ben destroyed him on on debates that had to do with western society since he has facts on his side. geo politics is wanky since it includes foreign countries who do not have same laws as us. American politics destiny just crying trump is bad orange man. This debate was just Ben explaining how everything works to destiny.
@RicardoRangel-ll7dp I agree to a large extent, I'm just really tired of the word "destroyed." I also appreciated the honestly and civility.
Man, I wish this could have been 5 hours long. Loved listening to all of this. Please bring them both back soon!
It was 5 hrs.... they just both speak at 2.5 times speed
@@RustCole01Fuck! I clicked this comment just to say this.
I stopped listening at 2 hours. One of the most useless debates. Yes they are both highly opinionated and very educated on what they are opinionated 6 what a waste of such inelligence. Such surface level conversations. Why are people still debating about and defending evils of any kind. Let's move past the lesser of two evils. There are far more important conversations going on like the evolveing of mind and spirit. People are actually having deeper conversations about how the next 2k years are going to pan out and these two are worried about the past.
@@CasuallyAuthenticThis is such a childish view on what makes a deeper conversation. They discussed their own philosophies, how to they view education(which effects the next generation) their analysis of the last two presidential terms which are going to have impacts for years to come not to mention this years election, Their views on two wars which affect millions if not billions of people, about institutions in America and how they view the future of human relationships. While there are many more topics to discuss and each of these topics they could both go into more depth on to say this was surface level compared to some nonsensical view on a future we could never predict is insane
@killtheo8894 as I said, very surface level. And your statements only backs that up. I understand that you don't agree, we all have different levels of intellect. Sorry to have offended you to make you ironically call me childish. I think we're beyond being offended and offending because of different opinions. It no longer serves us. I personally just want some intellects with platforms to have deeper conversations, but then again, maybe they are just stuck in the old way too. By the way, you never did say why my opinion was childish...
This was a debate where both parties looked like they were having fun.
Incredible thing to watch.
I also think that despite their differences they actually respect and like one another.
It was actually a healthy debate and disagreement. As observers we didn't witness petulant smears, but an exchange of views and informations such as we now should have a better understanding not just of the topic but of the predominant views represented by these "sides".
Its stuff like this that makes diversity a strength.
Hoping for more destiny Shapiro content in the future but who knows
It's a little uncanny and a bit concerning that when previewing comments before I dive into the video, almost every comment is gushing about how wonderful it is that the conversation is civil. While I understand and sympathize with the overwhelming desire to have grounded conversations considering the state of public discourse...everywhere, this is a 2.5 hour video and the top comments are priming me to expect that very little of substance will be in the video itself because all the comments are ONLY about how civil the conversation was. Normally in videos, comments are filled with people zoning in on specific topics that get mentioned, discussing the specifics of what one person or another has said and either picking it apart or responding to it by adding further clarifying details.
When I sorted comments by new, things were a lot more specific and came across a lot less...performative/masturbatory, which made me more excited for the video. But the whole thing does scratch at a suspicion I've had for a while now that because our public platforms for discourse is so awful, some people conflate more heated discussions with bad faith discussions because people tend to get angry and heated when their opponents argue in bad faith. And depending on who you agree with, you won't notice the bad faith habits of your ideological ally in the debate but will notice all the bad faith arguments of your ideological opponent, which is why most modern debates are associated with performative rage-bait and polarizing audiences into even smaller echo chambers.
Throw in the fact that one side or another might start screaming back in bad faith defensively because the other side started it first, the whole thing turns into a mess really quickly. But good faith heated debates also happen, especially when serious topics are discussed. In fact, if people aren't getting a little heated in discussions about really serious topics, it's kind of a red flag indicating the possibility that the aesthetics of civility is more important than the lives affected by the politics being discussed. You run into a similar echo chamber problem running into reverse--whereas bloodsport debates are useless because nothing gets done, with the target audience being people addicted to rage, a debate running purely on civility politics becomes useless because both sides go out of their way to not challenge their opponents, to avoid controversial topics, etc etc. Anyone who cares about the subjects at hand usually end up not being the target audience--and the people who enjoy the debates are people who see politics as a game rather than a force controlling the lives of millions, often threatening their ability to survive.
I'm honestly a bit pessimistic about how this video will turn out. I hope very much I'll be proven very wrong and feel very silly by the end of it.
@@VultRoos That was entirely too much to write before ever watching the fucking video. Jesus, STFU and watch it. It's Destiny and Ben Shapiro, if you think they won't have passion just because people said they liked the discourse, you don't know these two..... They live for this shit.
This is the first time I’ve heard Ben legitimately destroy anyone other than a college student in a debate
The friendliest rap battle I've seen
Toe to toe
Curly and Moe
Gonna find a foe
Like a Will Dafoe
Represent…tation
😂
HA 😂😂
bro this literally was hydrogen vs boost translated
Lil dicky vs G-eazy
Please bring them back for a part 2. The format was perfect.
Agree
Please don’t show these idiots again absolutely baffling 😂
It should be Ben and someone else from the left like Kyle Kulinski
Ben would completely destroy Kyle. Longtime listener, but he's lost his touch
@@kevinhoang9074 That would be a blood bath. Ben would demolish Kyle. In the liberal - left - atheist - antTrump side there are only two people who can compete with Ben - Destiny & Sam Harris. The list is Finite.
Nice to see 2 guys not just yelling at each other for an interview. They're both actually listening and not cutting each other off. Touchè fellas.
Agreed I'd love for them to have a part 2.
They're both extremely smart. Destiny single handedly puIIed me out of the right, but Ben is a very knowledgeable individual too.
@@noterrormanagementsorry to hear that.
Because they mostly agree with each other that’s why they’re not yelling at each other.
There’s sports debates that are more entertaining than this garbage
why?@@benjaminghazi787
this is what our society needs. Civilized debate where there’s no yelling and ad hominem attacks. Just some good old-fashioned public discourse.
I wish there was a way for me to lower Ben and Destiny to 0.5x, while simultaneously increasing Lex to 2.0x speed. C'mon, TH-cam!
Gotta talk as fast as possible so the other person can't keep up and address all the gobbldygook
Oh man. I was reading your comment while listening to Lex say the intro and I immediately thought of Stevie from Malcom In the Middle
Lol on mobile you can set it to 0.75 or 0.5, and then when Lex speaks you can hold your thumb on the screen and it toggles to exactly 2x until you take your finger off.
I know this was probably a bit of a joke comment, but I’ve found the 2x press-and-hold feature legitimately useful 😄
@@Michael-kp4bd Didn't know this was a feature thanks. I tried it on my computer web browser as well. Looks like it's not limited to mobile. You can do the same 2x trick by holding a left mouse click.
I actually thought 0.75 was good for Ben... I wanted 0.85 for destiny. And 2 for lex 😂
As someone not living in America but understanding the importance of American politics to the world. This kind of debate is a breath of fresh air to what we see in main media and social media bubbles. Lex I truly am glad you have the connections and means to bring people like this together to have a good and respectable debate. This it is what is missing in our modern world. End of the day you can disagree on things and have a good debate but have a beer with each other. I used to have a good friend that politically disagreed with myself and we would debate for hours while have a few drinks and walk away more enlightened based on each others arguments to certain topics. I wish we saw more of this in the crazy state of the world we have nowz
Americucked
Shapiro and Destiny for President!
I wish we saw more comments that has actual substance. It’s just comments copying each other and basically saying “wow what a good debate we need more of this” yeah no shit guys but who actually won? Lol!
@@UltraEgoMc 100 ❤
@@UltraEgoMc Maybe it is because a lot of people are just happy that a civil long form debate is being had in this day and age. I think it’s hard to say who “won” overall in this sense as both had good points to each topic discussed. It’s just good to see the views of both sides which allows you as the viewer to hopefully mild your thoughts and beliefs on certain matters more rather than just belonging to a single team.
I would watch a weekly (or daily) talk show featuring Ben Shapiro and Destiny. Hearing calm and logical conversations about different political opinions feels SO mentally refreshing. This is what America NEEDS right now. I would pay, subscribe, or contribute whatever it takes to make this happen. The cadence and emotional intelligence regarding the subjects could be the cure for the divisive poison in our country. This might sound extravagant but this seriously helped cure my "political depression" (if that makes sense?).
Those shows used to exist and be quite popular, imagine such a time!
Dude what do you mean, we already have the next best thing. Probably even better actually. Have you ever heard of Brianna joy grey and Robbie something something who cares and Krystal ball feat saggar enjeti? They make destiny and Shapiro look like intellectual infants.
Everyone one with an IQ above room temperature should feel exactly this way.
By and large I agree with Destiny on most of these points, but if anyone comes away from this or any serious Shapiro debate accusing him of engaging in word salad means they either don't understand the definition of 'word salad' or are simply, literally too dumb to be able to follow what he's saying - and again, this doesn't mean I agree with him because for the most part, I lean pretty heavily towards Destiny, but you simply have to respect his level of intelligence AND his intellectual honesty.
@@DomAtaGlance cope 💀
Shapiro orbiter arc
we are too selfish to put family first and that is the biggest problem.
9 hours of debate compressed into 2 and a half hour video. Thank you!!
Underrated comment
Good one 😂
that is just cuz hey speak at warp speed LOL
@@11arkasha11exactly
@@11arkasha11 Meh, they were pretty slow here. Needed to kick it to 1.5x speed to get them to normal.
I love how they're both very respectful and take the time to listen to each other's arguments. All while coming up with a well though-out rebuttal without attacking the individual. Kudos to both
best debate I've listened to
Kudos for being a grown man having a respectful conversation? The world is doomed we gotta praise the bare minimum, it’s the equivalent to a woman saying she’s independent
It was kind of mind numbing. The whole thing was Ben saying what he thought, destiny saying he doesn't agree, then Ben rebutting, then destiny saying he agrees 100% with Ben... Butttttt
@@poodie3887 bad morning?
@@poodie3887are you okay
I dont think I've ever seen soo many positive comments on a debate before, get these two to regularly debate, it will be great for humanity as a whole.
Here's one. Ben Shapiro is against school funding for air conditioning and destiny thinks biden is reeling in Israel. They are both full of shit.
Positive comments aren't always meaningful comments. Destiny seemed passive and pathetic in comparison to Shapiro.
@aboutme4438 Shapiro shat on Destiny in regards to Israel. Destiny pulled his tail between his legs. Watch it again if you disagree.
Hahaha lex and ben are great that other guy is just riding on boot tails
@aboutme4438 I wrote a comment about the holding-hands nature of agreement between the two. I don't like it. That's it.
I never knew I needed these two polar opposites to interact
No idea who this Lex guy is but him not saying much and just letting them go at it was perfect. He brought up new topics when it was time to move on to another topic, great moderator.
he's newer but one of the more skillful interviewers of our time. I would recommend scrolling through his previous episodes to find other guests that might interest you.
Lex has been doing these interviews for like 6 + years now.....
@@clon1122 still new
@@porogaming8521 not in Internet years
@@porogaming8521no, lmao. Cope harder
Deep and respectful conversations like this are exactly what our country needs at this time. What a breath of fresh air when measured against mainstream news segments.
I live in England and this extreme polarisation to the point where you're expected to dehumanise and hate with a vengeance people with a different point of view, MSM along with social media has fueled that mentality and it's happened here and in other western countries Canada, Australia and it came from the left leaning media, I'm Gen X voted Labour left wing till they started with the extremist must hate anyone with a different political opinion, plus the BBC and Sky News tell out right lies, I can't believe to get get half the truth I've had to turn to right-wing Conservative news outlets, the BBC as been very antisemitic and anyone that voted Brexit,( I would have voted leave if hadn't been in prison at the time) the BBC literally did everything they could and Labour to overturn the result and the BBC are meant to be neutral because their publicly funded and they pushed the all Brexiteers are racist and stupid, but the EU have had terrible policy for the UK the freedom of movement meant all the people in poor EU countries just headed to Britain for benefits and take advantage of healthcare family benefits and like the illegal migrants they abuse the system and instead of trying for asylum in the first country they head to the UK because were soft, just had an Afghan refused refugee status twice and after exposing himself and sexual assault, got a vicar to claim he'dbecome Christian and he's done a chemical attackon a woman, the leftwing has been taken over by Islamists, Destiny seems to be able to listen and see the useful idiots backing Hamas and Islamic extremism, it does make a change to hear a respectful disagreement, I was not a fan of Trump but he was much better for America, Biden is a straight crook, Putin isn't a nice bloke but Ukraine is a corrupt puppet government American foreign policy in Ukraine and keeping Russia as the boggy man instead of working to get the Russian to feel part of the west after the end of the cold war hasn't been a great idea and UK is just the same, now in the middle East the two western countries involved is the US UK, but you'll never change Islamists they're indoctrinated into the death cult, Iran is trouble and it's true what Sharpio with Iran there's no talking to the religious crazies, it was Britain and the US made Iran what it is today, women used to walk around in bikinis, the left has taken an extreme Islamist view, but Destiny has looked at the problems and gets the Israelis can't not get rid of Hamas and it's not just the leadership of Palestine the people have been indoctrinated to hate Jews, they have a kids TV programme a mouse Farfour telling small children to hate Jews and they both know the problems, agree on some ways to deal with it, if Destiny watched a few TH-cam channels, people in Gaza blame Jews not the government for their problems and not Hamas, year's of indoctrination, Sharpio is right about Trump wasn't insurrection the Democrats weaponising the DOJ to try stop him from running, both described as poles apart but they seemed to agree on a hell of a lot more than they disagree, I think for them to do this on a regular basis maybe do a podcast together and show that two guys with differences can sit in a room and I think they could be genuine freinds unless I miss read that debate they both seemed to enjoy it and those laughs and smiles seemed real and watching them might make people take a look at their cultist views and one day start go for a beer and speak to that family member they disowned over voting differently. The only thing was Destiny thinking he could be a third term POTUS was a touch of TDS, if we keep this polarised attitude towards each other the country won't heal, the woke junk white privilege is BS needs dropping, here in the UK it's white working class boys doing worst in schools. This is what people need to see even when they disagreed they found some common ground.
You and many others are misled. "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum"
@@BK-hq7tnagreed.
@@BK-hq7tn with all due respect…just sounds like our leaders already got us obedient 😂❤
@@BK-hq7tn What are some unacceptable opinions u perceive as being limited?
I turned it down to 0.75 speed, but now Lex sounds like he's had a stroke
😅😂
😂😂
Nobody encapsulates enthusiasm like Lex
I never saw this ep at the time. That was great to have them both on together. Thanks, Lex.
This was an absolute treat. I watched the whole thing start to finish. Minimal interruptions, zero bad faith arguments, no personal attacks. Just two dudes passionately expressing their views, trying to find common ground and making sure the other knows that they respect them. Bravo to both.
Ben was pretty bad faith when it came to talking about anything trump related.
Shapiro ain't a dude !
@@brian1436check your TDS
ya thats what happens when you put people together irl instead of behind a screen
@@brian1436True, I love Ben but that segment was horrible. I wish Ben could just drop the Trump narrative and stop supporting that bafoon, but I get it, it is his brand. If he came out tomorrow on his show stating how Trump is a moron a lot of his fans would probably turn on him and tank his ratings. Look what happenes to Sam Harris, the Trump cult ate him alive.
I came in here expecting a rap battle. But I actually got a coherent conversation. Thank you.
lmao, imagine a MV Destiny x Shapiro at clipped from their "best" debate points and put to music...
I thought they would do what they normally do (talk over people, make 50 arguments, talk down to people, and talk in circles.) The reason why they didn't is they essentially canceled each other out.
2x speed dood
A suckfest*
coherent? they literally skipped around points and talked about educations for 2 sentences before going on long tangents
I sincerely thought my playback speed was set to 2x. I had to check.
0.75x playback speed works well. 😂
Lex actually slowed down the footage in editing
😆
Both fast speakers 😂
Same lol
I'm definitely more progressive and do not agree with most of Ben's conservative values, but I do have to respect him in this debate. Unlike most conservatives that I see and talk to, he's genuinely knowledgeable and is willing to open his mind to certain things. Also, he is willing to condemn some of Trump's atrocious actions. I do have to give him respect, regardless if I don't agree with a lot of his views.
I love how both let the other talk without interrupting!
I was shocked by this. Did you see the debate between Destiny and Glen Greenwood? 🤦🏻♀️
Destiny interrupted frequently
Because both are dealing in good faith and Factual information.
Yeah that’s what happens when you do in person debates haha
I wish this was the top comment. Respectful discourse is no longer the norm, and what we now normally see is disgusting.
Lex has been the best example of a mediator in the first intelligent debate I've seen in years.
This video has almost 2 million views in less than 24 hours. This should be on trending.
What is trending and how do I view it
Why the heck is this not tending but bubble gum food theory is?! (Watches bubble gum video)
I am very impressed with the dialectical skills on display. Good faith & helpful.
Did you ever get your shit together?
indeed, this content is so ameliorating
@@Norrieificationbot
@@Norrieificationlmao
@@Sinklebarn The Pangburn account? Probably I guess. But I could imagine Travis enjoying this conversation.
It is incredibly humbling to see two men debate so rigorously on topics they know so much about. To be able to transition from talking about economic and legislative terms, to discussing the Middle East, its leaders, its conflicts, and its recent history is so impressive. My takeaway from this debate is that I owe it to myself to learn more.
Debates without insults are the best
Although i loved this, the odd one where people are at each other throat is enjoyable as well.
I prefer the insults.
@@richardhands904Having a mix is definitely good.
no insults?!? Ben called Destiny a Republican in the fist minute!! haha
Except if Alex Jones or Trump are participating
This was exactly how I hoped this would play out. No yelling and screaming, facts driven, give each other time to speak and LISTEN. Refreshing. More of this in the world please and more of Ben and Destiny.
both those dudes are professional and like ya said... bring the reasonable understanding of decorum.
I love how it starts with them just naturally disagreeing. All Lex had to do was intro them and it all started from there
i feel like their intros are synonymous in form. they both want the government to incentivize "good" things. and names those good things as constitution and bill of rights. but destiny is saying they should incentivize maslows heirarchy for those in need so they can enjoy those freedoms. otherwise its a slippery slope of trickle up power
Yeah...that's the point. The most important thing to highlight is that it was done respectfully.
I’ve learned more about what is going on in our government in the first half of this debate than I have in the past 10 years 😮 And I didn’t even finish it yet. Let’s normalize hearing intelligent arguments from both sides.
I love that the moderation was only there to ask questions, and these two allowed each other to make their points. Can you imagine if this was the standard for a presidential debate? We might be able to actually have an informed vote.
Lex is the man!
Oh it should be... But the people in the debate can be the issue
Not likely to happen cuz these 3 men are very intelligent, articulate, and respectful individuals. I'm not saying they are saints or care particularly about every person, but these guys are relatively fair level headed and real. The personalities that usually succeed in US politics today are sensationalist demagogues who function on mob mentality and will say whatever they have to WIN PEROID.
A Russian Jew, Zionist, and Liberal Jew walk into a bar. Everyone boos. Go home - nobody wants your propaganda anymore.
@@keegansillaots4327 Non stop yammering.
This is how you are supposed to debate and how your supposed to compose yourself during a debate. Great work to all three
Bullshit, this bullshit killed a million of my brain cells. Both these guys are idiots.
Destiny was throwing subtle digs at Ben a lot which i think most people would miss if not paying close attention to him. I have noticed this a lot with him in other videos and i don't think its necessary and just makes him look slightly petty in my opinion considering Ben was not doing the same and actually looked like he was enjoying the discussion.
@@js6003I was picking it up..one has class, the other just on his backfoot.
Ben did draw first blood in the first topic. So destiny isn't allowed to defend himself?
@@js6003Point them out.
Haven’t seen a logical discussion of ideas like this pertaining to the right and left in probably 5 years.
No name-calling, attempts at ‘gotcha’ moments, constant interrupting, etc. This was refreshing.
An actual well done debate.
Let me help you out Ben, this argument is to point out that trump is unfit for office. Anyone with a couple brain cells and a modicum of integrity knows that.
It’s because Destiny is one of the few liberals that can actually debate, you can put him with almost any conservative and it’ll go well. Most of the liberals I’ve seen debate instantly go to personal attacks and constant interrupting like they’re afraid to let them speak a full sentence.
Destiny was a bit more tame here than he has been. Lately he has been terrible in debates, just gets so worked up he sounds manic, talks over people, etc. Here was better, though a couple times he got a bit into patronization.
@@treshawndeandrelol that comment can easily be made by a person on the left referring to the right. The reason why most debates are not civil because of people like you who assumes that the other side is always argue in bad faith
The father of my kids passed away. I live alone with them. It's been almost three years. Its truly difficult to raise them without him. 😢😢
I'm sorry for your loss. Try to build community around you in whatever way you can, attending events/groups, making friends with neighbours - build a support structure to make things easier. Many indigenous tribes across the world have a model where everyone in the group takes responsibility of raising children, so it is not such a burden on any individual, and it is a strategy that works wonders. If you can ensure they have some sort of strong, positive male role model in their lives, they'll be better off for it. I wish you all the luck in the world.
So, the longer I listened, the more I appreciated the effort of the two; to allow (respectfully) the other perspective!
Gay. We have a trump derrengue syndrome heavily affecting Destiny. Ben couldnt care less about trump
but still democrap be like, its all conservatives fault. Don't believe your eyes and ears.
You mean Shapiro schooling this guy on basic economics lmao this isn’t a debate or a discussion this a pleb bringing up talking points and grasping for affirmation
Ben will kill anyone to take people's lands. He proved this in all his pro Israel war reactions. The guy is like satan
Ok but doesn’t change the fact Ben doesn’t represent enough and Destiny is a moron basically
The fact that Destiny was the first to use the word "Hypothetically" in a debate with Ben Shapiro is shocking.
are you alluding to the fact that ben shapiro only debates with those of lesser knowledge
@@coniuro9515Ben Shapiro is of higher knowledge than the majority of people though
Destiny just demonstrated a greater reason why to vote for Trump instead of Biden, regardless of your position, liking them or not. Voting for Biden is like admitting publicly that your an idiot and you only wanna be part of the pack and not use your reasoning.
@@eugenioasanchezperez1406 Voting for Trump after all the shit he's done is probably the most retarded thing I've seen conservatives justify. If Biden or any Democrat tried to bring fake electors to overturn an election, y'all would be claiming "deep state" and attempted coup(rightfully so). Not even factoring his legislative failures and inability to unite or compromise on policy.
Beat him at his own game
They have amazing chemistry. Guys MAKE A SHOW TOGETHER! Unite people through healthy respectful debate!
Privately I think they have a moderate to extreme distaste of eachother.
@@chasmriscraigdestiny said on stream Ben gave him his number. Could be trolling but he said it sincerely.
Just ew
@@chasmriscraig I think that Ben is mostly indifferent towards Destiny (maybe slightly unfavorable view due to polygamy) and that Destiny, on the other hand, respects and somewhat admires Ben
@@chasmriscraig more respect to each of them if this is true. To be able to treat each other with decency for this conversation is worth recognizing
I agree with Ben that stable households are more likely to produce productive members of society. But the notion that (shotgun) marriages are magically going to produce such stable households is a ridiculous take.
Stable households are created when people love and support each other and when they are in a financially healthy position (among other things). Marriage can be a side-product of this, but it's not the cause.
No slander, personal attacks, talking over each other. Amazing. They're really well informed and it's so nice to see maturity of letting each other speak and respecting necessary interruptions were suitable. They kept it professional and I think Lex's presence helps with that heh..
Agreed!!!! So we’ll conducted
Literally the best faith debate I’ve ever seen
Ben almost called destiny an idiot and had to swallow his words 😂
@@GrossmanGreiner @20:50 I bet that was akward for Destiny considering he's getting divorced because of that
2 hours of arguments, and not a single personal attack.
First minutes in destiny alludes to Shapiro being on the conservative Merry go round. While telling us AC is the reason kids aren't doing so good in schools
@@beastwithin73 don't underestimate the importance of the mighty AC
@@beastwithin73man if you take that as a personal attack… yikes.
@@beastwithin73he used the AC thing as an example, that is 1 of the 1,000 problems to why kids aren’t doing well in schools. let’s not harp on it
@@beastwithin73 Science does put things like AC as an improvement to kid's education. Sorry, but facts over feelings.
I burst laughing when Ben dropped “antidisestablishmentarianist” and Lex goes “Nice.” Like a bro compliment.
Oh my gosh, I missed that. Please tell me you got a timestamp for that quote.
Shapiro is really annoying because he makes up fake words and then acts smart when saying them LOL
@@kerzytibok3211 It's not a fake word
@@kerzytibok3211 when has he ever said a made up word??
@@maximusjmaxwell2:05:30
Wow, countless interviews, footage, and this is the only time I've seen Destiny not be COMPLETLY unhinged.
Hes more restrained because he respects Ben. In the beginning, Destiny started off by complimenting Ben. If he was debating Alex Jones, he would be unhinged...
He is in constant pain throughout. Constantly rambling his anti trump agenda. Can't even admit to most obvious things that less war in the middle east under Trump 😅
This is a debate, ladies and gentlemen. Keeping the conversation respectful despite having opposing ideas and listening to one another speak.
This is low-key how presidential debates should be throughout the entire four years before election
these people should run for president. but the broader political system would crush them.
Joe would fall asleep 10 minutes in, lol🤣
You want an incumbent president to waste their term having debates like this instead of running the country?
If only presidential candidates were as cordial and respectful as Ben and Destiny. Sadly most people who seek political office are power hungry and not decent people.
What does the term low-key mean? Did it replace “true” as the next generation’s nonsensical overused catchy sounding word?
It's so weird watching a debate where people are not constantly trying to talk over each other.
exactly. Or the host is strongly favored against one side. The Ron vs Newsham debate is so bad like kindergarden play.
@@jayzhou104Well yeah, been to Cali lately. It's a s***hole
As far as this one goes. You have a Harvard law school grad correcting a streamer with TDS
This!!!
This is tame.
@@davestuddaman8127 which himself described as total useless unless you are a stem major. I wouldn't use degree as a way to silence someone. Destiny makes great points.
The problem with beliefs like “shotgun marriages will help solve lots of social and economic problems” is that they take a few seconds to say but they’re so divorced from reality that they take hours to debunk
Notice how both of them take a second to respond. That is them thinking about what the other said instead of immediately denying or disagreeing. This does not happen in normal debates. Sad.
thats because when people think about debates they usually think about two people auguring.these two respect eachother.
Ben spends no time thinking before responding bruh.
That's how normal debates r , I guess u never watched debates at school college level, abnormal debates r the ones u see from politicians and podcasters who just does it for views. 🙄
@@dmcdevilsoh and these wasn’t for views
However, I don't think Shapiro is very sincere in general. Surely, he can listen but perhaps it's only a debating tactic.
Interesting to contrast this with what Destiny has been saying today.
Came here to say the same
Well, at some point you get tired of the double standard for behaviour and facts. Shapiro is smart enough to know those stuff about Trump, yet still bands a million degrees to find a way to support him.
@@blackjack47 biggest pile of crap I've ever seen. Ben calls out Trump all the time. Check things out before you type. And anyone thinking that it's okay to say what Destiny did just because "you get tired of the double standard" is just as messed up. Congratulations
@@blackjack47Dude Destiny called Trump an insurrectionist and used that to slander an innocent man who was murdered. A claim that is so easy to disprove yet is continually parroted by people with no argument. Destiny is a clown.
@@JimKim-0I guess calling out trump means supporting an insurrectionist and the defense being “the guardrails will hold” despite being gifted total and utter criminal immunity by scotus; that’s called a king kid
This is how political debates should happen. There was agreement on basic facts and respect amongst the two and no constant interruptions.
That would be great but I don't think our two current front-runners for each party would be able to keep up unfortunately. Probably some younger candidates would be a good idea
@@AYAmusicish true. And that’s at a detriment to us all.
political debates have a different goal. Agreement and respect are not it.
@@keengkai8175this is so true
@@keengkai8175That’s exactly what should change
Unbelievably rare to see a prolonged exchange that has intellectual honesty and seriousness.
We need more of this. 1 on 1 podcasts are great, but there is something very valuable about two smart people who do not agree going back and forth in a civil manner with a host to guide the conversation. Thank you Lex
It was a great convo. One thing I noticed is Destiny did a great job not answering about open relationships! His marriage is prime evidence that they are evil, selfish, and stupid. Which is why he didnt want to talk about it.
@@dantheman909What about an open relationship and/or polyamory is inherently evil?
I swear, its like we got both Ben and Destiny at full power. They were very well mannered with each other but damn they went beast mode.
yeah they both rocked it but I don't think they were even close to beast mode!
Yeah, they're amicable because they're two sides of the same coin
They both really weren’t able to talk about much
nahhhh we didnt get any slurs, no nabraska steve or Ben "my wife is a doctor this is how you destroy liberals" shapero
I feel that even though they were mostly courteous, they still got an actual challenge out of each other.
This needs to be the standard for all US presidents. A 3 hr debate between both parties that isnt so strictly monitored
Bingo. They can’t have that, they want total CONTROL.
I agree. In this age of podcasts and TH-cam, it is possible and necessary to have long form debates to be the norm. The short time limited TV debates are simply the worst format to have a meaningful debate.
@@ryanvacation7319they do it on purpose to keep average Americans dumbed down with like 5 talking points with no real detail while both sides are just donor puppets and that’s who’s really making the laws
You don't understand politics in this country then. It's set up that way on purpose. They don't want anyone digging too deep bc it all leads back to lobbyists.
We'd need to have candidates that don't try to talk over each other.