Part 2 HondaHRX vs Super Recycler vs TimeMaster | Mulching Mowers
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- Honda HRX vs Toro Super Recycler vs Toro TImemaster part 2
Ryan Knorr string trimmer video I mentioned:
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Last week's video of Toro vs Honda part 1:
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Honda HRX review:
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Toro Super Recycler review:
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Lots of folks asking where I got the mower stand: amzn.to/2XXiF5E (I have an older version - this one is updated)
No matter how well the mower cuts I always think a double cut lawn looks best. Thanks for the video!
I just picked up a Honda HRX. I have Bermuda grass and the lower cut setting sealed the deal for me. Thanks for the video Allyn.
The value of all the information you share is obviously enormous, but what makes me like you and your channel the most is that you plug so many other channels and help grow the community. It’s awesome, thank you!
thanks bro! As Castleberry would say "my brothers and sisters, from other misters"
Thanks for being so detailed and doing part 2 and owning part 1, i.e. wasn't the best you could give! Great quality!
Hello Alan for the time spent explaining the differences between Toro and Honda.
You are very careful and meticulous in dealing with the topic ... much appreciated.
I thank you and greet you from Italy.
See you soon!
Marcello
Ciao Alan per il tempo dedicato a spiegare le differenze riscontrate tra Toro e Honda.
Sei molto attento e meticoloso nell'affrontare l'argomento...molto apprezzato.
Ti ringrazio e ti saluto dall'italia.
A presto!
Marcello
Awesome job. Been waiting for this review since your original Recycler vs Super Recycler video with Jake.
Old Cub Cadet mower just died on me after 10 years. Looking at one of these three for our next purchase. I appreciate the review almost three years later!
Grass Daddy shout out! I like that you guys all support each other! Thanks for the comparison vid Al!
Great content for both mowers. You sold me on the Honda for maneuvering tight spots which is my biggest gripe with my small lawn
The best part of this video was the music!! Oh and the lawn info, my 42 yr son put the blade wrong on my push mower, so much for a supervisor helping his mom.;)
First Aussie 😁 Informative video Al, The Lawn is dominating your neighbours. I think some of your neighbours have lifted their game since you first moved in but you still dominate. 😁👍👍
Good stuff, Allyn! I’m looking forward to a future overlap video and discussion. Personally, I think speed and overlap are equally important!
Love mail box! Yes, I saw his video too. I am a backward walker while I trim, I also walk forward too, Lol... On part one of your review I wanted to say you are correct when it comes to the Honda leaving a strip of grass uncut. My Honda does the same thing. I don't know why it does that. Finding it annoying as I'm done mowing and looking across the lawn and find a strip of grass the mower hasn't cut. Now I look out for it. Other then that I enjoy my Honda. Love your video! Keep on posting them.
Awesome thank you !
Nice Allen, appreciate your time and effort for this video. 👍👍
thank you!
I own a Ariens Razor 21 and love it. Mulches great. Thanks for the video
You can still walk forward with your trimmer but you just need to change the direction you rotate around your yard. For example, move clockwise instead of counterclockwise or vice versa. It all just depends which way the string is rotating - into or out of the beds.
Walk backwards lol... exactly what I was thinking when he said that. These ppl have been bashing him since "the move", eventually all the negativity does get to a man!
I was going to say the same thing if you walk backwards clockwise it is the same rotation as forward counter clockwise.
Always entertained by you as well as enlightened. Loved the instagram Aussie worm bit. The wife was laughing 😂, “He’s a mess “ she said.
I enjoy trying new accents ha ha !
Smooth vs level is a great point. I do commercial floors for a living, and it’s the best way to describe to someone the point of floor prep...to make the floor smooth, not necessarily level. A lot of old slabs would need extensive work to be “level”, and that’s a whole other process.
Loved the video and shoutout to Ryan Knorr
You can also tilt the head of trimmer to direct the clippings!
Your background music in the first half sounds like a scene from the movie Pulp Fiction 😀😀
Love your videos, keep up the good work (sent from coastal New Hampshire) 🙌🙌
i start with trimming/edging and then mow. this keeps the lawn clean of the longer grass clippings (especially when the lawn is overgrown). this works better if bagging.
Triming, blowing, mowing and then blow again. I know that's a lot of blowing going on, lol
I have a hrx537 and super recycler
I set the back wheels higher than the front when mulching.
Makes a big difference.
Just picked up a Toro super recycler self pace with the Honda engine. She’s a beast. Highest setting is measured at 4” for me- which is the the height I cut my st aug so it worked out.
Still using the pas-225 I see! That thing is a beast, I just got one and did a review on it. I prefer walking forward when trimming, walking around the house and fences left-to-right. It's all personal preference, no right or wrong way as long as you arent scalping anything like my neighbor is always doing lol. Man, I need a timemaster too now Haha! My view of Honda has been tainted a bit with transmission problems lately. Bullet proof engine but my self propelled isnt working anymore, grrr...
Good review. I wonder which would be better for a low and tight bermuda yard. I normally cut with a Tru-Cut reel mower, but sometimes go behind and mulch or bag with a 34 year old Snapper Hi-Vac walk behind that is on it's last legs.
I have the new Honda hrx217 200cc. Great cut. I do put back wheels one notch lower then front. Makes better cut for some reason. Can't go wrong with either mower.
I will change up between backwards and forwards depending on the lay out of the yard. The key is to make sure the string is spinning towards the grass. You can also get a different weed eater gear box that spins the way you're comfortable with. Not all spin counter-clockwise.
I'm learning so much that I never knew about string trimmers lol
@@Thelawncarenut I personally feel awkward using the clockwise heads, but my buddy is left handed and loves it because he has the power head on the opposite side of his body.
I noticed your stop pin on the lawn mower lift isn’t in all the way a lot of times. Great video!
Another great review! I used to walk forward myself and the transition to going backwards isn't bad. What are your thoughts on the Edgit Pro?
Great video Allyn! What do you use on Topeedo grass in St Augustine? My yard is getting taken over by this stuff!
There's something about that TimeMaster. Good to know about the Honda drive system. That could be useful for me, though I like the look of the cut from the Toro more.
I appreciate the comparison. Mulching is very important to my and very satisfied with out Toro Super Cycler although I am sure Honda is a great mower.
Toro looks like it did the best. The most important thing I learned from the video is that I need to sharpen my mower blades.
Hey Allen, I was wondering if you ever plan on doing reviews on larger mowers for people that need a tractor or zero turn due to the size our lawn. I currently have 20K of lawn.
Good job on the review and video man.
Thanks !! 👊
Thanks for the review, both seem to be great machines. 1st, video quality on this cam is far superior to your other review, other video had a continuous blurry area, a few feet away from the cam. My 1st thought was wow, Allyn got a new camera! 2nd I always do the backwards walk when trimming, takes a bit to get used to, but you'll get the hang of it, and your beds will stay much cleaner. Thanks for the content..Ken
thanks bro!
I just stayed walking the other way this year when you talked about it in a previous video, wasn't much of an achievement for me but I have to edge out my sidewalks and driveways first now walking forward and then go around the house
The super recycler has a beefier sound as well. Nice review Al
I have the same Honda. I feel the mulching works great. It's only when I cut more than third of the leaf the mulching leaves clippings behind. And from the video it looked like it was well over 1/3, just saying.
I have been doing lawn service for about 25 years. I always walk backwards. If you can't walk backwards just make sure you start from the right side. It will throw the clippings out and back.
Or get the Ego trimmer it spins opposite way 😂 took me a while to get used to it lol
I am very surprised u have not got your hands on a 36” Wright stander for a review, being the LCN an all . That would be a game changer .
I could never get a good edge with a string trimmer. Now I use a edger, it's just as fast and looks better. Just my opinion 😉
Kurt Rodammer I think Allyn does use an edger, once or a couple times a season. But does general cleanup with a string trimmer.
As for the string trimmer it spins counter clockwise so you want to walk (in forward direction) so it throughs away from the landscape. So if your house and the beds around it were a clock face (looking down from above) you would walk clockwise around your house. By going the opposite way not only do you through the clippings into the landscape but the clipping get tossed into the uncut that your trimming and works the trimmer more.
I try to overlap by a quarter to a half on my St. Augustine here in Houston. Now I'm going to be self conscious about how many stray grass blades I have sticking up after I mow. I know there is some, but it doesn't seem like it's as bad as what your video shows...maybe that is due to the overlap. Great video. I'm actually looking at new mowers. I have a bottom line Toro 22" self propelled, but I'll be damned after not using it for 2-3 years it started up first pull.
Another Houstonian here. Not sure on the overlapping. I run directly on the wheel line with good results. I’ve has a couple 22” big box store Toro’s, just picked up an electric start Toro super recycler, gosh it’s nice. Super light, roles smooth, easier to push than my sons Bob’s stroller. Lol.
i too used to own both the toro SR and honda HRX. I like both mowers too. What drove me nuts with the SR though was the amount of grass clippings that would spray out of the bottom of the mower at the end of your pass on the driveway or sidewalk. The HRX would do this too, but not nearly as much as the SR. For me, i needed to use a blower to clean up the driveway with the SR, but can get away with a broom cleanup cutting with the HRX.
What do you think about using a flow meter instead of timing a sprinkler for watering a lawn?
LCN- Another informative Vid- One thing to note on this Video is that your Honda Mower is the premium residential mower with a very powerful engine. It is a big step up from the $400 entry level Honda and results will also reflect that. Many homeowners just buy the basic Honda which while good, is vastly different than what you have.
I am biased towards the Honda, since that what I have owned in my own yard for 18 years, and what I used when I was a kid. My dad used a manual real mower until I was in 3rd grade, when he brought home a Honda HR214 (1983 or something) I used that Honda on my own yard and on apartments in my neighborhood when I was a teen. The transmission went out on it in the mid 90's and my dad got a Honda Master's that he still uses today.
I have used other mowers over the years at other people's places. My Grandpa had an Ariens Orange Reel mower as well as a cheap push (literally) mower. I have also used Yardman mower's with a cheap Honda engine. Nothing felt as good as a good Honda to me, but then again, that is what I know.
I just bought another Honda , this time going with an HRC (my 2nd Honda purchased with my own $'s.) My old HRM215 lasted 18 years. It was really reliable and got used a ton for a homeowner. I usually mowed from March until November or even December. Most of the time every 3-4 days. Things I like about the honda- Super easy to pull the starter cord due to the BBC. It also starts on the 1rst or second pull every time. Even when I pulled it out after winter it would start on the 2nd or 3rd pull. Another thing I like is the reliability. Very Very reliable. The BBC is a must have in my opinion! So easy to move kids toys off the lawn or empty the grass bag without having to restart the motor
I had two things go wrong in 18 years of ownership of my old Mower- Transmission in 2011ish- which cost $180. Then in 2018, my coil when out, which cost $100. I would change the oil each year, using synthetic 10w-30. I would take it into the shop every 2-4 years for a tune in the spring or fall. Still had my original bag and it worked well, with no holes.
Some things I don't like about it were that the parts seemed expensive. My wheels needed to be replaced every 2-4 years, and weren't cheap. ($20 per wheel). My mower deck was so light that with a full bag of grass, it would pull the front wheels off the ground with each small bump in the lawn.
Great Vid LCN. Always fun to try and even buy new machines. I only have one mower, but have 3 different trimmers- Easier to store in my garage than 3 mowers!
All the best!
I had an old Honda mower (my dad did) too. I don't know the year but I want to think it only had a 19" wide cut - it was thin. Would have been about 1985 that we got it if I am remembering right. Upgraded from an orange Sears mower. that Honda was a great unit, had blade stop too which I think was the first of its kind - I still remember the iconography was a turtle and a hair for the speeds.
@@Thelawncarenut Yep, Turtle icon for slow, and rabbit for fast. Love those old Hondas. The bag was really difficult for me to snap into place! I was a skinny weak kid and it took all I could muster to get that bag to snap into the correct position.
Great Update Vid Allyn! Question? Wondering if one mower has more power than the other or are they both equivalent in the 6-6.5HP range as that would make a difference. Sorry if you answered this already!
I'm not sure on that one. I don't know too much about tech specs and stuff like that.
Which of the two do you think is easier to use without engaging the self-propel? I have a few places I need to be really careful and with my current mower, I disengage the self-propel. Thanks in advance for replying.
Appreciate the effort, but one of the hardest side by side video’s to follow along with. Not to mention the lawn is in way to pristine condition to start with, hard to gauge the pros and cons on each mower
Another thing to check on the Honda is engine RPM. Mine was almost 800 less than what the service manual called for. Made the adjustment and made a huge difference mulching. Got rid of the stragglers too.
How do you check? I’ve a TimeMaster but still curious.
@@futbolplaya07 You would use an inductive type digital tach that picks up the rpm signal from the spark plug wire and adjust to manufacturer's spec.
~Mike
As I make a pass, I’m looking for that occasional blade that got missed in the previous pass, then I pause and get the missed blade, then resume my my normal pass. Works well for me without having to overlap much and not double passing.
I have old eyes so I can't see the stragglers from 5' away lol
Allan, whats the disadvantages of mowing below 3"? I have a neighbor who has very green St. Augustine but he keeps it around 1 1/2" low. It looks beautiful but I am afraid its going to look horrendous come winter. What will happen to his lawn, long term? Cutting it that short cannot be good.
have you ever used a stand on zero turn or been offered one to test?
Very Kill Bill vibe with the tunes.... Love it bro
Move the governor spring to the next hole on the honda. It will rev to the correct speed and mulch heaps better
When trimming with a straight shaft trimmer (spins counter-clockwise) move to the left, and with a curved shaft trimmer (spins clockwise) move to the right.
Hi LCN , good video. Where did you get that stand to hold up the turf master ? I need one
in this test , did you have the rear wheels a notch lower on the honda ?
As always, great video
Thank you
which you recommend for a uneven 5,000 sq ft lawn Toro Super Recycler or Honda HRX?
Fantastic Video I'm in the market for a new lawn mower I've had may last mower for 39 years now and want to treat myself to a new mower, it was between these two machines this helped me out for sure, thanks for creating this video.. I'm 70 years old and this lawn mower purchase will be my last for sure, Cheers,,
let's hope you can out live this next one and that it lasts at least 39 more years!!!
@@Thelawncarenut Ya Lets Hope LOL. Wife bought me my first lawn mower in 1980 for my 30th Bday and old 2 stroke lawn boy that I have been fighting with for the last 5 years to keep it running , Finally died, not to sad to see it go, it owes me nothing after all these years. going to test out both of these mowers tomorrow and get myself a new trimmer as well at a local dealer in Calgary Alberta, again thanks for all your videos they have taught me so much about lawn care..Regards..
Damn cool tunes!!! Both seem to cut well. I'm still undecided. I wish Honda would come out with a 30"er. It be a no brainier!
Get the timemaster
Toro is a mower company
Honda makes great engines and motorcycles.
I’d get a Toro mower with a Honda engine.
I’d get a Honda Gold Wing with a Toro lawn striper too.
Lmao!
Doesn't the super recycler comes with a honda engine?... mine does
some models do, others still come with a B&S mower.
Ok thanks, didn't know this...the more you know the more you mow
Love my Toro with the 6.5 horsepower Troy-Bilt motor
I've been experimenting with the overlap on the Honda and found that I get a better cut and less stragglers on the St. Aug if I keep the wheel on the inside of the previous pass.
I agree. When I am just mowing on my own without worrying about filming I do the same thing.
On a double cut mow try going the reverse direction on the second cut, also rather than mowing right up to paths, garden edges and the like turn before the path line, finish the mow with a clean up lap or maybe two around the outside (Inside of paths and garden edges) this gives a professional looking mow
Allyn, check your trimmer manual. My Toro trimmer manual says to walk right to left to avoid too much line being wasted when hitting obstacles (fences, brick, etc). Nothing about backwards or forward so that's news to me.
The recommended way and probably the best way is to trim the same direction as the trimmer head spins. Counter clockwise, right to left. Clockwise, left to right.
I think on this video the Super Recycler looked the best to me. I have used Honda's, Snappers, Recyclers and Super Recyclers in cool season/transition grasses and personally find the regular Recycler gives me the better cut.
Any cordless electric trimmer reviews in the works?
Hey Allyn! Are you targeting 3” now on the zoysia in summer? I remember you were cutting it at 1.5” in the spring.
Hey bro. Ideally I want to be at 2.5 fir summer but for now I'm at 3.
I just bought the Honda HRX 217, is 3.5" an ok height for St Augustine?been maxing it out at 4"
Love it ! You are a lawn care nut !
Sorry to ask a non-lawn care question, but do you know the artist on the remix of "Elixir" you used?
Hope to see a review of the Honda HRX217 GCV 200.
What model of the Super Recycler are you using in this????
I love this channel.
Have you tried a grinder flapper wheel, I use a 80 grit , works better the a regular grinding wheel, keep up the videos
Allyn, do you believe the Toro's superior mulching would be representative in cool season grass too? Thinking about buying a new mower next season up here in the Northeast and I can't remember if you had a Honda in Indiana, although I know you had Toros.
Yes it mulches cool season grass even better !
You should do a test on the Zoysia lawn with the battery powered mower one day. That would be fun to wtach!
Can you provide some info on the lawnmower stand that you used in this video? Where to buy it?
Yes, the one I have is older but here is the updated version amzn.to/2XXiF5E
Hey Allen, just curious if you’ve ever gave a cub cadet mower a try? That’s the brand a local dealer sells and I’m curious how they compare when it comes to mulching. I would like to shop local but I also want a great product!
I have not used their stuff but GrassDaddy has and I think he has been pretty happy
I have seen several of your videos where you throw the clippings into the flower bed and it drives me nuts!!!! LOL there is strategy to trimming a yard I always assess the yard I'm in and make a plan going counter clock wise on a "TRIM JOB" this will throw the clippings into your yard vs your flower beds, passing cars and house windows hope this helps keep up the great videos!! Ps the Lawn Rebel sucks for not helping you level your lawn when he came down to help you mow!!!
Good review...Might want to check Honda to make sure motor is in right rpm range ...and i my opinion the jx75 and jx 85 deer push mower had the best cut in st Augustine type grass...need to do a review on exmark wide area mower in 36 inch in a hydro
Those Deere had that donut shaped decks and sure mulched well!
They were a pain to bag with that was for sure, that tube attachment and the bag hanging from the handle was not easy to use in lush turf.
@@wayneessar7489 The thing when you bagged is the front of mower got light and bag was not big enough. .but compared to mowers today it had a way better cut ..
Who do you recommend to install Scott’s pro vista? I’m local to the Tampa area and can’t find an installer.
call Big Earth Supply - they can help you
That bossa nova is awesome. Reminds me of the music they played on Mr. Rogers when he would leave his house and visit the pottery studio or music store or something.
Also, looks to me like the review favors Toro in cut “smoothness”, but you’re right about the Honda’s turning abilities. My Toro 22” Recycler has been very good to me for 12 years, but it isn’t fun to turn.
Ha ha it is alot like the land of make believe !
@@Thelawncarenut - Joao Gilberto died on July 6th, so I'm playing bossa nova myself, today.
Hello I live in Florida and am trying to grow grass in areas of my lawn that have nothing but patches and sand like dirt ..I'm not very knowledgeable with plants or grass but I'm interested in growing grass on the bare areas is there anything you recommend thats beginner friendly ? Thanks😀
yes, plant grass plugs, you can get them at Home Depot or from my website. That is the best way to fill in barespots in Florida and you can do it right now since we are in the rainy season.
Theres only one person I know who can make every grass blade famous 🤣
Another video idea would be to have @Jakethelawnkid to do this continued review on his cool season lawn to show how these handle cool season turf. Just a thought! Love the reviews!
Metal shavings can scratch your paint and your cornea. We have to go in with a tiny drill and take out rust when somebody gets metal in their cornea. Safeties! 🤓
Side discharge or rear discharge will also give you a better cut because you create better lift and air flow. And using a high lift blade should give you an even better looking cut.
What kind of stand was that that you lifted your mower up with and where can I purchase it at
It's on amazon - it's just like a lawn mower kick stand amzn.to/2XXiF5E
Do you use the factory blades or go to some aftermarket type.
Also, why do mower blades have such a short cutting edge? Seems that if they were longer they would be more effective in that it’s now knocking over some of the blades but instead cutting them....more cutting are should equal less missed blades of grass??
At the speeds they are spinning at, I don't think that matters all that much. Look at how fast you can go on some riders. And they have about the same ratio of cutting surface on the blade. I would think that someone tested this long ago and found it to be pointless to have more cutting surface. I could be totally wrong though. I am sure someone will correct me if I am.
Never thought about it, but I always walk backwards.
Do you know if the HRX series mowers have the same problem as the HRR's with the rear wheels locking up when trying to pull backwards? I've had two Honda HRR's over the past decade and each have the same problem right out of the box.
They don’t, but don’t bother. My HRR was phenomenal except for the back wheel seize. I got rid of it for an HRX. What an absolute mistake. The engine surges and significantly dips in RPM when you engage the clutch. I was mowing pretty tall grass so I did one pass using the rear discharge at 3, then a second pass at 2. From 3 to 2 the mower couldn’t make it 3 feet without bogging down. Total joke. My HRR was bush hogging at its tallest setting with ease, it just didn’t pull backwards anymore worth a damn.
Avoid the HRX like the plague. Check out the HRN where the rear bearing issue was resolved, however be wary because those are reported to have engine surge as well. Funny you just asked this because this all happened to me literally yesterday on Wednesday. I watched this video to see how the time master did because I think that’s the only push mower with a comparable cut quality to Honda.
LCN, how about a part 3 where you’re bagging the clippings?
How would you say the Timemaster compares to the HRX as far as quality of cut or that “reel mower look”? Long story short I traded my HRR for an HRX and it was a $600 paperweight. I’d have kept the HRR but the back wheel seize was a constant issue. I’m trying to find a brand comparable to the Honda cut but without the incessant issues Honda seems to have between older model bearing and weak newer engines.
You ever considered doing a demo of different blades and styles of blades such as copperhead, and gator blades?
I've always used stock blades, never looked at the others - maybe I should!
I'd like to think I'm pretty proficient trimming hard edges with my SRM 225 but once you get a PAS 2620 with the straight shaft stick edger for your hard edges you'll never look back!. I also thought the Toro looked like it did a little better on the cut quality, even in the previous video... I'm cutting KBG in Southern ON Canada at 4.5" with my Toro Time Master right now and I only do a double cut if I find its a little damp or overgrown, just to really clean it up nicely. This mower mulches 10 times better than my previous mower and I absolutely love the personal pace system. I only added 2 things to this mower, a GOOD quality Hour/RPM meter, also tracks oil life and air filter cleaning intervals (super handy), and a Checkmate striping kit from Big League Lawns.. you won't find a better striping kit on the market, the lawn looks awesome after striping it with that setup. I also bumped up my RPMs to roughly 3500RPM at idle and roughly 3300RPM with the blades engaged.. that small adjustment made a fair difference in cut quality since your now putting more revolutions to your blades resulting in better mulching and increased blade lift. Also as others have stated, keep those blades sharp!.
The Honda is great at mulching, but you really have to mow often, if you get anywhere close to overgrown I find its best to open the bag door 1/4 way to relieve the deck of too many clippings.