This was my first Suikoden. I understand why people don't like it, but it's so dear to me and it made me play other Suikoden, so I wouldn't say it's the best, of course not, but it's my favourite ❤️
i honestly feel the same way. yeah, when compared to the other games in the series, 4 is bad, if not outright terrible. its fair to consider the game as possibly the one that killed the series, but even with all that going for it, i love suikoden 4 to death. i like the idea of a moving HQ and exploring the sea like what happen in wind waker. i like the idea of having a game where you travel around island figthing the army. i adore this game, but i can admit it probably one of the more frustrating experences to play through it.
@@lucifercon4868 It would be a lot better already, if the encounter rate at sea wasn't so obnoxiously high and if there were a few more or a little bigger Islands to explore.
When I was a kid and I played the game. I used to take Hervey & Siguard with me. And I really never take attention of using Mizuki that much before. But glad that Kika was the best charcters she can dish out great amount of damage with Falcon Rune. I'm going to replay the game. 😊
I got every character in this game and i don't even remember them lol, so forgettable. I like seeing suikoden tier list for the only reason Jeanne and Vikki are always in the same spot and then there is suikoden tactics.
This is the only suikoden in the entire series where all the names here are mostly forgetable. I remember when I played it I always forget who is who, unlike other suikoden characters are so memorable.
Yeah me too. Cant even remember that some characters are exist. It makes me realize about the real Suikoden Creator's philosophy about "Side Character should have a important role" or something like that I love how he thinks about side characters.. But it's shame he's already leave this franchise since Suikoden 3
I realy liked Suikoden 4, it is silly how declaring it the weakest Suikoden made people conclude that its a bad game, as its one of the best RPGs released on PS2. 2:45 - What??? what do you mean with no rune? (5sec looking) - Suikosource : Suikoden IV - Rune Complete List - Red Rose Rune (Schtolteheim Reinbach III - H (fixed)), played it some years ago, but i clearly remember he has it (if not, then he will get it) i realy like double vielding Lazlo look, you compare the artwork of other characters to ingame model of Lazlo what is manipulative way to force your opinion, but it does not convince me.
I get what you mean. People give it a hard time when it has great visuals for the time minus its animation, awesome music, fast battles, imo the second best major battles in the series, an awesome True Rune and while there are problems with characters such as too many sword wielders, can't use six characters in battle and there are less playable characters, the characters who stand out in the game are superb and are some of the best that the series has ever had.
10:20 If you want to make some characters even more busted, Suikoden IV's rune slots are determined solely by their magic stat. Max out Kika's before Level 99 to make her even more busted!!!
I really appreciate you taking hundreds of hours to make this nicely condensed video. No hate, but I forgot how bland this game looked. I tried to 100% it back in the day, but I gave up even before the bad ending.
Suikoden IV is the game I finished the least out of all suikoden game due to a bug in recruiting snowe. Due to this I never really experimented with the characters.
I'd still like to see a Tier list of Valkyrie Profile and Star Ocean characters. Obviously Claude + Aeterna = game beaten, but with eleven others to consider, which route do you take?
Claude's ability to 1 shot every boss in the game with a normal attack is just too much. I can see the ranking being boiled down to utility over dmg due to stun locking bosses to death being highly desirable.
@@zeosummers3984 So basically, bring in Bowman (Poison Pills) and Chisato (Tear Gas), and maybe Opera (sorry, Ashton), with Rena using Star Flare to stun and heal when necessary.
Wow, I can't believe there's still new Suikoden IV content coming out in 2024! This video really dives deep into the characters and their strengths/weaknesses. It's interesting to see the comparison to 'The Room' and how the game is so bad it's good. Great job on the analysis and breakdown of the tier list. Keep up the great work, LOCLOUDANE RPG!"
Thanks My friend! I started a series early last year, where I am going through and beating every single PS2 rpg. I have nine videos out so far, I think you’ll enjoy them.
That's an impressive quest! Beating every single PS2 RPG is no small feat, and it's great that you're sharing your journey through videos. I'm sure fellow gamers will appreciate the nostalgia and effort. Keep up the great work, and I'm looking forward to seeing your progress! 🎮👍@@locloudanerpg
As a Suikoden fan it really grinds my gears when people say it is a bad Suikoden game, but a good RPG. It's not. A good non-Suikoden RPG would be FFVI, Lufia II, Chrono Trigger, etc.
The 4 person party would have worked if they have some sort of utility for the 2nd and 3rd party. Imagine making a 3rd party purely for support and the 2nd lineup as a backup attack.
True, this is so bad I even forgot this existed. Suikoden 2 is still the best. Not sure about the 1st since I haven't played it that much. So my top 3 would be Suikoden 2, 3 and 5.
Nice Video, you were just missing out how good Eugene is as Character in fight. Never dare to use him because his stats look really low, and he has the fixed firefly run plus low HP 😅 Will he become a good Char when grinding up ?
His HP starts low but he has a massive HP growth, same goes to Defense and Avoid. He's probably the best tank in the game with the Firefly rune, but he does nothing else. Probably high mid-tier. Top tier if the game had more party slots.
My only issue with Suikoden games and Suikoden series in general is that there's so much to do and so many things to achieve but there's really no point to do that considering if you do the bare minimum you get to beat the game, but It you do more you literally oneshot the final boss making you feel like you wasted time. Wish there was a hard mode for these games.
I don't get how you can compare Gensou Suikoden IV to The Room. One is actually considered a good game by many people and the other is considered a so bad it's good movie. That is not the same thing. If I could compare Gensou Suikoden IV to anything, it is the Prequel movies for Star Wars.
I like the main character (Lazlo) in S4, other chars? Not really (cant forget how they treat Lazlo, the one who sacrified his life to save them by putting him on a ugly boat after he died in the bad ending). I dont know there is any meaning in that action or not but back then I felt unhappy about it. It's not as good as other Suikoden games but in my POV, the worst one is Suikoden 3 (the only thing makes me playing it was Sasarai). Oh, I like Kyril and the Rhapsodia too. Glad to see another W leader attack.
Lol haha these comments kept talking how bad the game is instead of looking at the actual team. Sheesh. The game is pretty solid. Anyways, I appreciate you creating this video. I'm surprised that Ted wasn't god tier! But then again his attack stats aren't really great.
yep, the worst Genso Suikoden of the series hands down. heck, Genso Suikoden 3 is overall better than Genso Suikoden 4. fact. i believe Suikoden 3 sold more games than Suikoden 4 as well. still, pretty fun to play it. i was surprised that Ted wasn't in the top 5. he got 1 of the 27 True Runes at that time. 1 of the reasons i play this game. nice video by the way.
Yeaaaah sorry chief but Kenneth is way better than Tal. Tal may have better stats but he wiff's attacks far too often and by end game none of the 4 Razril knights are truly worth using. Kenneth starts off with a Lightning Rune which just clears early game with ease and is generally consider a must take by most people who have played this game quite a bit.
first suikoden i played so i have a soft spot for suikoden iv. it is butt ugly though, the graphics have aged so badly. the characters are so lifeless looking
@@locloudanerpg Better than 3 for sure. Not better than 1 though, but that could just be nostalgia more than anything. Tactics would have been sooooo much better without the perma-death. And Kyril. Man I hate Kyril.
But for story point i really love it The fact that true rune have more impact to the story is also make me love it more The castle also moveable make it unique Unfortunately the gameplay ruin it
Personally, I really liked Suikoden IV. Is it the best of the series? Absolutely not! I will say that I'm in the minority in that I actually disliked 3 the most...
Suikoden IV was vastly superior to Suikoden III and that is not even close. Suikoden III was a hot pile of garbage with the worst cast of characters, the worst combat system, the worst army combat, the worst....EVERYTHING!
@@reinaldolira5211 but Sui III is soooo slow... I think the idea is nice, some characters are interesting, but for some reason it's just not enough. Suikoden IV is such a vibe, the combat and the combos are nice, though I agree it feels empty and a bit weird. I wish they focus on some aspects more, like Troy, Snowe and other things
Suikoden 3 had great intrigue and I still think of the story to this day. I forgot what happened in Suikoden 4 the week after I played it. Utterly forgettable. Garbage game. Developers thought giving you a ship would be enough to make it interesting.
This was my first Suikoden. I understand why people don't like it, but it's so dear to me and it made me play other Suikoden, so I wouldn't say it's the best, of course not, but it's my favourite ❤️
i honestly feel the same way. yeah, when compared to the other games in the series, 4 is bad, if not outright terrible. its fair to consider the game as possibly the one that killed the series, but even with all that going for it, i love suikoden 4 to death. i like the idea of a moving HQ and exploring the sea like what happen in wind waker. i like the idea of having a game where you travel around island figthing the army. i adore this game, but i can admit it probably one of the more frustrating experences to play through it.
@@lucifercon4868 It would be a lot better already, if the encounter rate at sea wasn't so obnoxiously high and if there were a few more or a little bigger Islands to explore.
Honestly I was really surprised that Ted wasn't in the top 5
I thought so too when I started researching.
When I was a kid and I played the game. I used to take Hervey & Siguard with me. And I really never take attention of using Mizuki that much before. But glad that Kika was the best charcters she can dish out great amount of damage with Falcon Rune. I'm going to replay the game. 😊
I played this game when I was a child. Never expected Dario to be a decent fighter.
I agreed Dario is even has a dish out a good amount of damage. Just give him a rage rune, double strike rune and killer rune.
Suikoden 4 is a real solid jrpg in my opinion, but yes, I liked the other 4 Suikodens better. Keep up the content
I LOVE ALL SUIKODEN GAMES AND MUSIC CHARACTERS ETC
I got every character in this game and i don't even remember them lol, so forgettable. I like seeing suikoden tier list for the only reason Jeanne and Vikki are always in the same spot and then there is suikoden tactics.
Man I love the way you do these tier lists
Thank you. I appreciate that for real.
This is the only suikoden in the entire series where all the names here are mostly forgetable. I remember when I played it I always forget who is who, unlike other suikoden characters are so memorable.
I only remember Ted but that's because of suikoden 1
Ironically, the name "Ted" is probably one of the most memorable ones from this game.
Yeah me too. Cant even remember that some characters are exist. It makes me realize about the real Suikoden Creator's philosophy about "Side Character should have a important role" or something like that
I love how he thinks about side characters.. But it's shame he's already leave this franchise since Suikoden 3
1. Lazlo's Hotpants
2. The True Rune of Punishment(Forgiveness)
3. Everyone else
This channel needs more love
Ah the numbered Suikoden that feels like a fan bootleg... Brings back memories!
I realy liked Suikoden 4, it is silly how declaring it the weakest Suikoden made people conclude that its a bad game, as its one of the best RPGs released on PS2.
2:45 - What??? what do you mean with no rune? (5sec looking) - Suikosource : Suikoden IV - Rune Complete List - Red Rose Rune (Schtolteheim Reinbach III - H (fixed)), played it some years ago, but i clearly remember he has it (if not, then he will get it)
i realy like double vielding Lazlo look, you compare the artwork of other characters to ingame model of Lazlo what is manipulative way to force your opinion, but it does not convince me.
I get what you mean. People give it a hard time when it has great visuals for the time minus its animation, awesome music, fast battles, imo the second best major battles in the series, an awesome True Rune and while there are problems with characters such as too many sword wielders, can't use six characters in battle and there are less playable characters, the characters who stand out in the game are superb and are some of the best that the series has ever had.
I had Lazlos shorts
I'd like to see a tier list for characters in Suikoden 1 (more challenging because there are no busted multi-rune setups) and 3.
I never removed Jean in my team. I like Maxine too. En Garde!
Máxine is really good
10:20 If you want to make some characters even more busted, Suikoden IV's rune slots are determined solely by their magic stat. Max out Kika's before Level 99 to make her even more busted!!!
I really appreciate you taking hundreds of hours to make this nicely condensed video.
No hate, but I forgot how bland this game looked. I tried to 100% it back in the day, but I gave up even before the bad ending.
Haha that is appreciated. Yes it looks absolutely terrible
Suikoden IV is the game I finished the least out of all suikoden game due to a bug in recruiting snowe. Due to this I never really experimented with the characters.
Hate all you want on S4 but Jeanne version of S4 is the sexiest!
Her full potrait in S1 with side boobage looks so much sexier imo. And her lady like look and smile in 3 is wifey Jeane no competition.
I'd still like to see a Tier list of Valkyrie Profile and Star Ocean characters. Obviously Claude + Aeterna = game beaten, but with eleven others to consider, which route do you take?
Claude's ability to 1 shot every boss in the game with a normal attack is just too much. I can see the ranking being boiled down to utility over dmg due to stun locking bosses to death being highly desirable.
@@zeosummers3984 So basically, bring in Bowman (Poison Pills) and Chisato (Tear Gas), and maybe Opera (sorry, Ashton), with Rena using Star Flare to stun and heal when necessary.
Wow, I can't believe there's still new Suikoden IV content coming out in 2024! This video really dives deep into the characters and their strengths/weaknesses. It's interesting to see the comparison to 'The Room' and how the game is so bad it's good. Great job on the analysis and breakdown of the tier list. Keep up the great work, LOCLOUDANE RPG!"
Thanks My friend! I started a series early last year, where I am going through and beating every single PS2 rpg. I have nine videos out so far, I think you’ll enjoy them.
That's an impressive quest! Beating every single PS2 RPG is no small feat, and it's great that you're sharing your journey through videos. I'm sure fellow gamers will appreciate the nostalgia and effort. Keep up the great work, and I'm looking forward to seeing your progress! 🎮👍@@locloudanerpg
If only we can deploy 6 characters in suikoden 4 .. hopefully they remake this game and the game more lively like suikoden 5
Konami will never remake this game.
Suikoden 4 is a bad suikoden, but it's still a pretty good RPG. However. I'll only play it on an emulator these days, to speed up the sailing patts.
As a Suikoden fan it really grinds my gears when people say it is a bad Suikoden game, but a good RPG. It's not. A good non-Suikoden RPG would be FFVI, Lufia II, Chrono Trigger, etc.
You should make a tier list of Who is Best in Suikoden 3 or the 1st one.
@@danielraab7297 it’s on the list my friend!
The 4 person party would have worked if they have some sort of utility for the 2nd and 3rd party. Imagine making a 3rd party purely for support and the 2nd lineup as a backup attack.
True, this is so bad I even forgot this existed. Suikoden 2 is still the best. Not sure about the 1st since I haven't played it that much. So my top 3 would be Suikoden 2, 3 and 5.
Good job bruh.. you da best
Definitely agree, Kika is the best character in the game.
I think i understand why people don't like it so much, but i absolutely love Suikoden of the Caribbean.
Dang im surprised to not see Ted on god tier. Soul Eater OP haha.
Will you do tactics some day?
Probably after I beat it for the PS2 RPG challenge
Nice Video, you were just missing out how good Eugene is as Character in fight. Never dare to use him because his stats look really low, and he has the fixed firefly run plus low HP 😅 Will he become a good Char when grinding up ?
His HP starts low but he has a massive HP growth, same goes to Defense and Avoid. He's probably the best tank in the game with the Firefly rune, but he does nothing else.
Probably high mid-tier. Top tier if the game had more party slots.
@@MightyPitbull thx for the Info ! Actually i use him especially fight against humans, much hp, dodge and counterattack plus parry Missiles 👌
My only issue with Suikoden games and Suikoden series in general is that there's so much to do and so many things to achieve but there's really no point to do that considering if you do the bare minimum you get to beat the game, but It you do more you literally oneshot the final boss making you feel like you wasted time. Wish there was a hard mode for these games.
My dream wish is a fan hack that adds new game plus with all your recruited characters but hugely buffed enemies and bosses
My final party was Lazlo, Ted, Maxine, and Kika.
Who is best in Suikoden IV? Anyone from Suikodens I, II, III or V
I don't get how you can compare Gensou Suikoden IV to The Room. One is actually considered a good game by many people and the other is considered a so bad it's good movie. That is not the same thing. If I could compare Gensou Suikoden IV to anything, it is the Prequel movies for Star Wars.
With proper rune, my final team is lazlo, kika, snowe, and ted. Coop lazlo and snowe can input 2000+ damage
I like the main character (Lazlo) in S4, other chars? Not really (cant forget how they treat Lazlo, the one who sacrified his life to save them by putting him on a ugly boat after he died in the bad ending). I dont know there is any meaning in that action or not but back then I felt unhappy about it. It's not as good as other Suikoden games but in my POV, the worst one is Suikoden 3 (the only thing makes me playing it was Sasarai).
Oh, I like Kyril and the Rhapsodia too. Glad to see another W leader attack.
Lol haha these comments kept talking how bad the game is instead of looking at the actual team. Sheesh. The game is pretty solid.
Anyways, I appreciate you creating this video. I'm surprised that Ted wasn't god tier! But then again his attack stats aren't really great.
He was almost there and in a harder game he may have been more useful.
I hate the camera angle in this game but Lazlo looks like okita sougo from gintama
I never get why this game let you recluit 108 characters but only 4 in fights. Suikoden II does it better on that.
What happened to Lino? I didn’t see him.
He’s like number 20 or so. After Rachel
yep, the worst Genso Suikoden of the series hands down. heck, Genso Suikoden 3 is overall better than Genso Suikoden 4. fact. i believe Suikoden 3 sold more games than Suikoden 4 as well. still, pretty fun to play it. i was surprised that Ted wasn't in the top 5. he got 1 of the 27 True Runes at that time. 1 of the reasons i play this game. nice video by the way.
at this point in time i'd much rather have a shit suikoden than no suikoden
I bought this for the PS2 for cheap and maybe put 5 minutes into it.
Graphics were pretty poor at the time and have aged like fine milk.
I think this was a decent Suikoden but if you compared it from 1 to 3.....It's nowhere near the story
Karl was my MVP
Lazlo Kika Schtolteheim Ted was my Team
Yeaaaah sorry chief but Kenneth is way better than Tal. Tal may have better stats but he wiff's attacks far too often and by end game none of the 4 Razril knights are truly worth using. Kenneth starts off with a Lightning Rune which just clears early game with ease and is generally consider a must take by most people who have played this game quite a bit.
what i hate the most of this game is only 4 party member
and very rare compose multiple team
first suikoden i played so i have a soft spot for suikoden iv. it is butt ugly though, the graphics have aged so badly. the characters are so lifeless looking
Imma catch some shit here but 4 is actually my favorite.
I like it better than 3, 1, and Tactics.
@@locloudanerpg Better than 3 for sure. Not better than 1 though, but that could just be nostalgia more than anything. Tactics would have been sooooo much better without the perma-death. And Kyril. Man I hate Kyril.
lets face it 2 and 5 are the only really good ones (1 was good for the time but time wasnt kind to it as much as it was to 2)
Let's be honest, the real best in Suikoden IV are the friends we made along the way.
And Jeane
@@locloudanerpg well, that was a given.
Lazlo looks lame because of the shorts 😂
Lazio is stupid looking!? I don't see it.🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I try to pretend Suikoden IV is not bad.
I actually really like it in a wips and chains kind of way haha
@@locloudanerpg In that "Dirge of Cerberus is so bad it's kinda good" guilty pleasure kinda way.
@@lalauniversalis9999 yeah or the hottest chicks are always the best party members….right?
@@locloudanerpg 9 times outta 10, yes.
@@lalauniversalis9999 I like those odds.
Suikoden 3 was worse in my opinion, just couldn’t get into it.
I 100% agree
But for story point i really love it
The fact that true rune have more impact to the story is also make me love it more
The castle also moveable make it unique
Unfortunately the gameplay ruin it
Suikoden 2 and 5 are the only good ones.
Personally, I really liked Suikoden IV. Is it the best of the series? Absolutely not! I will say that I'm in the minority in that I actually disliked 3 the most...
I’m in the same boat.
I completely agree with you. 3 was hands down the worst.
Suikoden IV was vastly superior to Suikoden III and that is not even close. Suikoden III was a hot pile of garbage with the worst cast of characters, the worst combat system, the worst army combat, the worst....EVERYTHING!
Thank you! Finally someone says it!
I really dont like Suiko III but IV is just a lazy made game. Everything is badly done
My thoughts exactly. I couldnt believe 5 was actually good when it came out lol @@reinaldolira5211
@@reinaldolira5211 but Sui III is soooo slow... I think the idea is nice, some characters are interesting, but for some reason it's just not enough. Suikoden IV is such a vibe, the combat and the combos are nice, though I agree it feels empty and a bit weird. I wish they focus on some aspects more, like Troy, Snowe and other things
Suikoden 3 had great intrigue and I still think of the story to this day. I forgot what happened in Suikoden 4 the week after I played it. Utterly forgettable. Garbage game. Developers thought giving you a ship would be enough to make it interesting.