Partially true. But in this case they were on a rocky hill. That means that they can't use shields because of laser weapons. It's not said in the movies, but if you use laser against shields it casuses masive nuclear reaction. That's why they yelled "No shields".
I thought Keynes did say that the shields draw the worm in part one… in any case, I’m pleased that the effect for the shields has a noticeable rapid vibration so that you can make the inference for yourself if you try to work it out. The details in these films are exquisite
@@DavidBusawhich is wild they were pretty liberal with that laser when attacking Arrakeen in the last movie.
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The worm remains on the surface because one of its skin folds is lifted up, and it stays on the surface as long as that fold is raised. It not only stays on the surface, but the skin fold ends up on top of it. So even if it is grabbed from the side, the worm slowly turns around.
And it does that because although it is very protected on the outside, its flesh underneath its plates is very sensitive and sand getting in it could hurt it very badly and even kill it.
Yeah the movie shows this very effectively with the nasty worm nostrils that immedietly make us viscerally react with disgust at the thought of damaging them.
Yeah, if I recall this is explained in detail in the book. This film would have made me so happy in high school. I’d be jealous of Denis if I didn’t think he was the absolute best person to take on adapting the novel. In fact, I’m beside myself in anticipation for Dune Messiah
The bene gesserit don’t tell their women who their parents/family are so that if they needed/wanted to breed two relatives together to keep certain bloodlines strong, they could make it happen without question. That’s one reason why the Bene Gesserit Mother was pissed that Jessica produced a son because their plan was to breed a female Atreides with Feyd
@@ge2719 it doesn't necessarily lead to birth defects and genetic disorders. It increases the chances of getting two pairs of a defective (or enhanced) gene. The lack of genetic diversity can be countered by breeding it out in the next generation
@@starlord3496 "A HOLY WAR IN MY NAME" idk why, but if they used the original wording, *jihad* in my name, it would somehow come across as more villainous. Curious ;D
@@starlord3496 I do agree an attentive viewer can see the red flags by the end of the first movie (our first shot of Paul is an answer to Chani’s question of who the Fremen’s next oppressor will be), but many people are so well “trained” by the traditional hero narratives that even by the end of this one they’re wondering why the main characters aren’t more excited about winning.
That's the mainstream and false interpretation of the books. It's pretty clear that Paul's victory, which leads to the God Emperor's reign, is the thing that prevents human extinction in the long run. Trying to make it about "Paul being actually a villain" is simply dishonest. He's the hero, even if his victory is tragic and the salvation of humanity comes at an unfathomable price.
Wait till you see LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (1962). Both the DUNE novels and the film adaptations take inspiration from this film (as well as SEVEN PILLARS OF WISDOM, the memoir on which LAWRENCE OF ARABIA is based on).
Easily the best movie I have ever seen in theaters. The whole room was SHAKING during some scenes. Paul walking up to the southern fremen gave me chills
The last hour in IMAX was 10/10 perfect cinema -- one of the best movie experiences I've ever had. I've seen it 3 more times since, and read the first two books. So good.
It's actually really chilling to see the way the Fremen go from harvesting the water from their slain enemies to just straight up burning their bodies in the end, sacrificing their culture so quickly for religious fervor
Didn't think of it that way that's a great insight. Not least as previously the water they'd collected over the generations was wiped out in a few minutes
@@sensaiuriah5440 They won't use harvested water from Harkonnens for drinking but Stilgar said they use it for plenty of other things. And not all those soldiers are Harkonnens either. Sardukar would be perfectly fine for drinking water. But that is being abandoned.
The way I see it is that this shows how fully they are comitted to Lisan Al Gaib and the promise that he will turn Arrakis back into a green paradise, where water is no longe such a scarce resource.
The scenes on Giedi Prime genuinely made my jaw drop every time I've seen this movie. The way they were shot is not only so creative, but the acting and music set the atmosphere so well that it instantly feels like a completely different planet, culture and a huge threat, which is exactly what the movie is going for.
My personal favorite is Paul's arrival at the Southern War Council. Just the brutalistic, barren southern landscape coupled with the Harkonnen horns and drums that now dominates the soundtrack after the revelation of Paul's ancestry, and the Harkonnen arenalike chanting that accompanies the Atreides theme as Paul makes his way through the mass of Fremen... I get chills every time. It's way shorter than the Geidi Prime sequence, but it's executed just as well, and Denis better get at least a Best Director nomination come Oscars season cause he was the only part of Dune 1 that wasn't even nominated last time
the only part I didnt like was how they choose to make feyd rautha look like a legit threat worthy of fighting paul, like killing 3 drugged men would make the bene gesserit think he's incredible, he beat one old man and everyone including the emperor acts like hes the best fighter in the universe
@@attoboi9763he expected all three to be drugged, the last one not could have been lethal regardless. These are trained killers, the fact that Feyd dropped his shield and embraced the situation is the point. Another note, the guy he (easily) killed would be considered a nearly olympic gold medalist fighter today, people are built different 20 thousand years in the future.
32:11 This scene has a LOT of meta significance. In the books, Paul says he sees 2 possible futures for survival. One of those futures involves him standing before the Baron and saying "Hello, Grandfather". Paul is disgusted by this future. The other involves Paul's sister Alia (who is already born at that point) killing the Baron herself. Paul saying "Grandfather" is a nice callback to that, AND can help explain the differences between the book and the film. The book is one of the possible futures. The film is an alternative future/universe.
@@Falwashere it is essentually, but they changed it a bit because his sister is actually born in the book and kills the baron as a toddler who is very wise like her mother because of the holy water. In the movies Pauls doing it because Alia isn't born yet but it but he mentions that one of the futures is meeting him and saying hallo Grandfather so it't a cool easter egg
@@jounnesy9612 and in the 1984 movie the actress Alicia Witt in one of her first roles playing that creepy as hell 8 year old killing the Barron with the Gom Jabbar needle.
I mean they are literally making the spice humans harvest to trip through space, the least they deserve is a little snack. Wildlife always manages to find their way to organic garbage anyway.
34:31 the cinematographer is Greig Fraser. He's the genius behind the first film as well and he won an Oscar for best cinematography. He's also behind huge films like The Batman (2022), Star Wars Rogue One (2016), and The Creator (2023).
Fun fact: the books actually explain that the Imperium have the power to make Arrakis inhabitable, but they choose not to, because in order for the Spice to exist, Arrakis needs to be a desert.
They actually do have a scene in the first film implying that, I think they say something about the work having been done then they discovered the spice. Something like that.
No worms, no spice. Basically. The exact mechanism is a little more complicated but that’s what it boils down to. And water is lethal to the sand worms.
It definitely plays into the theming of colonial powers' exploitation of natural resources. Making Arrakis green does have longlasting and unforeseen ecological and societal consequences down the line, due to spice production becoming impossible, but that's another story.
4:16 The shot of the eclipse is actually real (bar the second moon, of course). It happened when they were shooting the movie in 2022 and they decided to film it and put it in the movie!
Fun Fact about the books, Princess Irulan the emperor's daughter will become the prime historical source for Paul's story. Every chapter begins with a quote from her documents.
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The hooks used for riding a worm expose the inner sensitive flesh of the worm, that's why it doesn't sink into the sand again. They turn the worm moving the hooks, because the worm will always try to have the exposed part on the top. For dismounting they just ride the worm until it tires, then it's not "as dangerous" to drop down.
@@jossshhhh1991 ooh interesting, looking forward to that. I think it'd be fairly simple to show them sliding or jumping off at a certain angle to dismount or something. I always wonder how the huge groups mount and dismount though, especially the elderly and kids lol
35:40 Paul surviving his wounds isn't as lucky as you think. Paul had already been getting Prana-Bindu training from Jessica, and had a lot of control over his own body. Also, when Paul drank the Water of Life, he gained all the powers of a Reverend Mother with one very important difference: he gained the memories of both his male and female ancestors. So Paul likely used his bodily control to stop the bleeding. In the novel, Feyd uses a blade that is poisoned with a drug that that slows you down, but isn't detected as a poison by the poison snoopers (devices that check for the presence of poison). Paul is able to adjust his body chemistry to counteract the effect of the drug.
exactly paul is also stated to be far better than his mother in the prana bindu nerve control by his own mother so he has martial abilties suprassing that of his mother a fully trained bene gesserit
He also survived because he used the same technique that he had during sparring with Gurney and foresaw how to end the fight (we are shown this for a second when Paul tells Jessica that she is Harkonen)
yeah they left out lot really crazy stuff which is ok but some of that is what makes Dune so fun. like they totally glossed over the Spacing Guild and its Navigators
Nobody else mentioned what you said at 10:56, I totally agree this is much more nuanced than people are seeing. Paul starts off the movie with pure revenge in his heart, that's where he ended the last film. Then he opens this film by saying early on his exact plan, convert the non believers. Later he stands between the two groups looking back and forth. He leaves the believers and goes to talk to the unfaithful, not just because he understands them more and is more like them, but because he needs their help. Because he wants to be accepted, and he does this in this underhanded way... His thoughts evolve through the film, but this is definetly where he starts out, and is an important motivator. He resents the propoganda, yet he uses it, and yet the most profitable course of action is to reject it at first and gather support from all sides. Now that's crazy.
@@wackyvorlon Precisely what I thought. "You have more than one birthright". The universe showed him that Bene Gesserit ways survive, and his father's ways led to death. Literally.
The first time Paul rides the sand worm was utterly incredible in theaters. That and every time there was a thumper, the audio was awe inspiring. My mouth was dropped through that entire scene.
Every time I watch the monologue from Paul towards the climax of the film, I get goosebumps. An incredible job of writing and performance from Timothee. He does a great job driving home the sinister tone of that moment. It’s terrifying to see him embrace the role of Lisan Al-Gaib.
12:51 - I actually love this moment. Don't know how it's described in the books, but cinematically, when the thopter falls as they run away laughing, I get the sense that these are two youths playing in a giant "sand box" (so to speak), having fun. It's like it's such a normal experience for Fremen (fighting invaders) that it's also one of the activities the way their youths play together while growing up, like it's all a big game if that makes any sense. Two people falling in love against the backdrop of a larger war, fighting the good fight or something. A trope we've all seen before.
I don’t think there’s a specific scene like that in the book that I can remember, but it does a good job showing how okay the fremen are with death. They live on the edge every day, seeing friends and family die often, so death and danger just isn’t very scary to them, not as much as a normal person. It’s why in the first movie Jamis is so quick to choose a fight to the death. They don’t even cry for their dead, it’s a waste of water. This also is ironically what makes them very susceptible to spiritual manipulation. When you live such a life, believing in a dream of a green paradise gives hope beyond all reason. “Nothing can survive there without faith.”
@@Roach_Dogg_JRsay rather that such religious fervor is the only way one could find hope in such a planet and under such oppression and endure.. we modern people underestimate the power of religion so much, since we havent had to personally and directly compete to death over resources..
If you haven’t read the book, you need to. She’s even slimier in the book. That part where she’s thinking to herself about how to convert the nonbelievers is basically her thought process throughout the book.
In the movie she seems a lot more sympathetic until she drinks the Water of Life. In the book you're reminded often that she's just as scheming as other Bene Gesserit, but she's loyal to House Atriedes, instead of the Bene Gesserit's long-term plans. People are just as much pawns to her as to Reverend Mother Mohiam.
There were definite shades of Rose The Hat (Rebecca's character in Doctor Sleep) in her short monologue about converting the unbelievers. She starts out with this barely noticeable smile, but as she goes on her expression gets colder and colder. Brilliant stuff.
In the book dune Messiah, Chani was internally conflicted the entire time, but stayed with paul. She was always fremen. This change is very welcome. It's a different branch on the same path.
32:59 can we just acknowledge how badass the shot of Rabban's body falling to Gurney's feet is ? the lighting is just flawless, all you can see is this shadow-like figure triumphing over his enemy
First fight scene explained: The black suits that Harkonnens wear are a good example of their unwillingness to adapt I think. Everything they have is basically black and white due to their black (colorless) sun. Hovering/Floating takes... battery power... Shields + Laser/Lasgun = Nuke explosion. The same reason a lot of warriors use swords instead of Lasguns against one another. That guy who screamed "No shields!" was actually pretty smart, the only person who did anything useful in that situation for their side.
not necessarily nuke, but possible nuke and its even crazier than just a possiblity the reaction could be at the recieving end, or can be at the sender or both ends or neither and can happen away from both ends.
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You can always return to the big screen. After the successes of these films, there is NO way the studios won't re-release in theaters to capitalize on the film-goer frenzy
I drove from Cheyenne WY to Texas to see it in IMAX with the 1.43:1 screen. Unfortunately, I screwed up when I ordered my tickets. So I then drove from Texas to Branson, Missouri to the 1.43:1 screen there. It was amazing seeing so much more of what was happing in the film. But I will NEVER go back to Branson. It was incredibly creepy. The Simpsons was right: Branson is like Las Vegas if it was run by Ned Flanders.
I'm in India so we have a small number of IMAX theaters here. I had to drive 80 Miles to New Delhi to watch the movie, all I can say is that I have "No Regrets"
Oh yeah, for my second viewing we drove almost 3 hours to Leonberg (in Germany) for the very first time, where the - as of today - biggest (IMAX, though not the 1.43:1 format) screen on the planet is. It was quite the experience!! 🤤
The first Harkonnen unit didn’t used their shields cause in lore when a laser shot hit a shield, it creates a small nuclear explosion, they were using laser guns, so a single shot could kill them all. All of them got killed by the Fremen anyway 😂
The big bulky suits they wear, at least in this film, are the result of Harkonnens not being adapted to the environment of Arrakis, being from a world where they are barely exposed to UV light, hence their borderline albinism. However, I wanna say that there is also a detail in the deep lore that says that because spice is so suffused within the ecosystem, once you spend a long enough time on Arrakis, you can't just go live offworld because your body becomes reliant on spice to function. So even if they survive the holy war, many of those Fremen going offworld in the final shots might die from spice withdrawal anyway.
@@radicaladz the Eyes of Ibad (blue eyes) is also said to be a sure sign of spice addiction. It's basically THE designer drug in the rest of the universe, but for Fremen it's just a sacred part of their culture The guild navigators are even cooler imo. We may not get to see any but it'd be soo sick to get to see some in Messiah
Despite Paul calling Feyd-Rautha "cousin", he still isn't revealing to others the fact that the Baron, Vladamir, was his grandfather; it's well-known that the Houses' lords are occasionally distantly related. In Part 1, when Vladimir has Duke Leto naked at the dinner table, he says, "You have a wonderful kitchen, cousin," acknowledging the fact that they are related by blood. Ultimately, the way the Bene Gesserit "careful cross bloodlines" is by providing concubines to ruling houses w/o the men actually knowing which bloodline they come from.
Yes. The Bene Gesserit use the noble houses like breeding stock to make their ultimate human being, which they believe they can also control. Their hubris is astounding, but that's what tends to happen to people who remain in power too long.
@@rikk319When Paul shouts *SILENCE* to the RM i felt like he was implying sth like *BE THANKFUL I’M NOT ORDERING YOU TO SHOVE YOUR HEAD UP YOUR OWN ASS*
NOPE vladamir isn't saying they are really cousins that is a misunderstanding many have its a ceromonial term taken from real life the thing is that the baron isn't the same level of noble that leto was who was a duke which is the highest order of nobility This is taken directly from the book: "I've lived for a time on this planet, cher cousin." "Believe me, cher cousin," the Baron said. "I do not want it to come to this." And there is another bit in the book where the Harkonnens receive a letter from Duke Leto, and Piter comments that it's missing the usual polite introduction: "He's most uncouth, Baron. Addresses you as 'Harkonnen' - no 'Sire et Cher Cousin,' no title, nothing." The "cher" lets us know that this is a French phrase they're dropping.) Since nobility intermarry and were usually related to each other in some way or another, it has sometimes been used in a generic way to address people of their own class, whether or not they were in fact related. essentially its just a way of saying my fellow noble and that mis it. all humans are related and currently no two people are no more than 50th cousins. but 23,000 years in the future people would be way further distantly related its different than leto and shaddam who were in fact distantly related "The Baron cannot forget that Leto is a cousin of the royal blood-no matter what the distance-while the Harkonnen titles came out of the CHOAM pocketbook." As I look back on it, I think there may have been some prescience in my father, too, for it is certain that his line and Muad'Dib's shared common ancestry. LETO ATREIDES (10,140-10,191) A distaff cousin of the Corrinos ("Distaff" means on the female side, so the Atreides are descended from a daughter of one of the earlier Corrino Emperors.)
@@rikk319 its not hubris its factual. the bene gesserit would have been able to control paul if the plan was followed alia would have been pauls mother and paul would have inherited feyds weaknesses that allow him to be controlled by the bg. he would have been trained by alia to believe the way the bene gesserit believe
@31:00 Paul sends the family atomics to blow up the Shield Wall that protects the city from the Worms. This Shield Wall was mentioned by Thufir Hawat in the first film. Blowing this up allows the Worms to penetrate the city and gives Paul the upper hand in the conflict.
The cinematographer is Grieg Fraser, he won an Oscar for best cinematography on the first Dune movie & he also did the cinematography for The Batman which is also visually stunning.
When a freman pulls on the rope hooked on the sand worm it peels back a part of the skin it breathes through , with it open the sand worm won’t dive becasue the sand gets in the now uncovered opening , that’s how they keep them from diving with people riding them, they pull on the rope /grappling hook which peels the fold back so the work won’t dive. Just fyi you asked why the worm wouldn’t jsut dive, that’s why. 🙂
The Atreides who isn't drugged is the captain of Leto's guards and the fight choreographer for both films, if anyone deserved to play that role, it was he
33:47 The term "Abomination" is used by the Bene Gesserit to describe a fetus that is exposed to the Water of Life. The Water of Life causes them to become aware, and unlocks the memories of generations of their female ancestors. This can be problematic (which is discussed in later books).
It is also used in other cases. They split humanity into 3 groups, animals, humans, and abominations. animals : the largest group of humanity unable to control their instincts and would fail the test with the box. Humans : have self control and insight into themselves and should be able to control power like precognitive dreams and in case of women control the voices inside them after taking the water of life. Abomination : any animal that has come into powers like precognitive dreams unable to control these powers. This is also why after Paul passes the test with the box the reverend mother refers to Paul as young human.
@@edwinsuijkerbuijk5106 Yes. She still refers to him in an impersonal way, as the Bene Gesserit, even recognizing humans who display self-control, still place themselves above them. Their hubris was a cause of a lot of the problems in the galaxy. Sociopaths don't make good leaders, but they often crave leadership. It's a bad combination, in fiction and in reality.
NO it isn't the term abomniation solely refers to a fetus that is preborn. the water of life is a fremen method of creating a reverend mother not known to anyone off world
The Worms stay above ground because they pull back one of the plates with the hooks, which exposes it to the irritating sand. It won't dive while that's exposed.
3:48 The technology that makes them float, called repulsors, drives the worms crazy. So since the worm had already been called it made sense to use the repulsors. That is also why you will see balloons lifting spice harvesters. 35:55 And Chani Übers out
11:45 they explain in the first movie why they dont use guns. it's because of shields, but also because the guns are likely to bring sand worms i think. 16:10 they are showing you there that the hooks are used to pull open a flap on the worm that exposes holes that make the worms stay up above the surface. 16:20 the " as written" is because the prophecy says he will ride the biggest sand worm ever seen 19:13 yes they have a black sun that emits infra red turning everything black and white 28:00 the personality switch up is the " narrow way through" he see's he has to take charge. 31:00 the mountain was said in the first movie to protect the capital from sand worms, they blew it up to bring in the sand worms. they dont want to nuke the emporer because it won't get them into a power position it will make them the enemy of all the houses.
Pauls tale is one of tragedy. He didn’t ask to be the Kwisatz Haderach. Paul himself in the first film says the line “Your Bene Gesserit made me a freak” He loses his father and close friends. Not even his spice enhanced prescience ability could foresee the attack on sietch tabr. He says the line in the film “I couldn’t see” he then has visions of chani dying. Even then he says he can’t go south for fear of fulfilling the prophecy. When Chani asks him to help, he reluctantly agrees. It’s tragic because he is torn between this awful future but it’s the only way he can be sure to help his friends and save the women he loves. A genuine masterpiece from Deni Villeneuve
@@vinnycordeiro it will be very interesting to see how Deni adapts Messaih… given it was written to contextualise Paul’s story and Deni has already done that with the changes to Chani’s character. Also.. I wonder if they will bring back you know who… 👀
@@AMcCarthy83 My bet is that he'll take the same approach the miniseries from the 2000s did: by adapting parts of Children of Dune alongside Dune Messiah. But we'll need to wait.
Two really interesting things about this movie, one of which is from the book, the other of which is a movie addition. First: this is one of the earliest examples I can think of about the Chosen One trope in popular fiction, yet compared to the way it usually plays out, this also counts as a deconstruction of it. Neat, huh? Second: over the course of the movie, the audience identification character slowly switches over from Paul to Chani. I'm pretty sure that isn't in the book, but it's a brilliant piece of storytelling. As the protagonist gets caught up in a downward spiral of self-obliteration, the audience is simultaneously invited to emotionally distance itself from him and see the tale as personal horror rather than heroic triumph.
The White Saviour was an old trope when Herbert was writing - it's Victorian at earliest - plus Chosen Ones are as old as the hills, but Herbert had the bright idea to combine the two and make the White Saviour a bad guy (or, at least, not-good guy). I am taken by the fact that Dune, the founder text of modern scifi, and LOTR, the founder text of modern fantasy, are both deconstruction to an extent - LOTR has the cast desperate to get rid of the McGuffin, not find it.
Read the books after the first movie. Watched the second movie three times and am now rereading the books 😂 I’ve absolutely fallen in love with this world
Frank Herbert created such a fascinating world. One of the things I like about the books is that you get enough time to actually sit in this world and experience it. Something that really couldn’t be translated to the screen.
I did the same thing! Got my brother into the first movie a few months after it came out, he got us the books, and we read them before the second movie (he read the first four I read the first three). I've seen the second one three times in theaters
There were 2 scenes that made me chill when I first watched it in theaters. First: Paul's first worm ride and then, his speech. That scene, I almost started screaming Lisan Al'Ghaib at the theater.
33:34 Paul's threat to spice is different in the books. Instead of threatening them with atomics, he threatens to use the Water of Death. If the Water of Life is poured onto a pre-spice mass (spice fields are the result of pre-spice blowing up.), it will cause a chain reaction that will kill all sandworms on Dune.
@@houseofaction The Fremen certainly knew about the sandworm life-cycle, as Liet-Kynes would have told them if they didn't know already. I'm not so certain about what the Spacing Guild knew. I don't recall the Frank Herbert novels mentioning it. The BH/KJA may have, but I treat those novels the same way Frank Herbert meant the Dune Encyclopedia (that he authorized) to be treated: "Some of the contributions are sure to arouse controversy, based as they are on questionable sources." As for the Water of Death... The novel suggests that Paul is the only person who realized the Water of Life could be used to forever destroy spice on Arrakis. This would have been something he learned after drinking the Water of Life and being able to see all possible futures. When the Emperor lands on Arrakis, he brought the forces of all of the Houses (Great and Small). The Spacing Guild only allowed the Emperor to land; the other forces had to remain in space. Through their limited spice-induced prescience, the Spacing Guild knew that there would be disaster if they allowed all of the forces to land. When Paul confronts the Emperor, he turns to the Spacing Guild representatives that came down with the Emperor. He ordered them to send the forces of the Houses back home or he would destroy spice forever. Again, the Spacing Guild's prescience told them that Paul was not bluffing, but they probably still didn't know how Paul would destroy the spice.
Watching this in imax was a revelation. I’ve read all the books but even then, I’d never been more swept up the way I was with this movie. Afterwards it was just a bunch of silent, disoriented people stumbling out of the theater not knowing what to do. Last time I experienced that was after Everything Everywhere All At Once. Edit: The way I screamed at the idea of Feyd-Rautha in a duel to the death with Maude.
This is currently my favorite movie ever made - can’t wait to see your reaction! I wish there was a way for you to get the theatrical experience and still have your reaction like here… it truly is magical!
Is Paul the bad guy? While not what the author intended originally, as I believe he stated it was meant to be a warning about charismatic leaders who turn out to be despots, Dune is basically the first real example in "modern" fiction to create a truly complex character that exists outside of the usual good and evil tropes. Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, it's always pretty black and white, while Dune exists almost entirely in the gray. There really isn't a "good" or "bad" character anywhere in it. Can good come from bad actions? Can doing the "wrong" thing result in the best outcome? Personally, I think of Paul as a good guy who just has to do some really terrible things to get to the result he feels is best for those he leads, and the book does a good job of showing his struggle to accept that, and ultimately, in the end, he doesn't really accept it and it's left to another to fulfill. (I won't spoil it for nat) Deni obviously considered Paul to be the baddie, as his spin on it, while cinematically a masterpiece, is far more influenced by more modern notions of proprietary. IE: He has to be the bad guy in our modern social climate. Zendaya has to walk away in the end instead of (as in the books) accepting that it's just a political marriage and there'll never be any sex or anything between them, so it doesn't really matter to her because he is still hers. I'm just curious how he resolves that in the next one. Zendaya can't come back after making such a strong exit, or it defeats the entire point of the walk away. I have a feeling he'll just wash it away "Oh she had a change of heart as he had foreseen", but I'm hoping for more, cause that's pretty weak from a writing standpoint.
16:06 The worm is a "radial" being, it doesn´t front or back or sides. When they pull the scales, they're underneath is exposed to sand and atriction, and that side must go up - the worm will automatically try to put the exposed "side" up - and the rider can be on top. I think in the film they were very smart by showing this, not telling.
The bene gesserit can only see the female side of their bloodline, it's explained by women not having a "y" chromosome so when Paul drank the holy water he "accessed" his full ancestry.
Denis really did something very interesting with Chani in his film. She's very different in the book, and I admit she didn't make a big impact on me when reading it. But here, Denis took such an amazing approach, making her a more critical voice against the Bene Gesserit, the prophecy and Paul's role. I really loved that change in the story, and Zendaya played her wonderfully. All in all the movie is amazing, I loved what Denis and his team brought to life from the source material and what they chose to alter/adapt. It was very effective in the overall story. Such a stunning movie!
Denis used Chani to show the points many readers missed (and still miss!) while reading the first book; and watching many other reactors that point was also missed by the majority of them (but Nat got it). He'll need to do a lot of work to reconcile those changes with the events as told in Dune Messiah, but I'm here waiting for it. :)
@@vinnycordeiroPaul says that he has seen her forgiving him, which makes me wonder just how Villeneuve would plot that out. If she does forgive him, what causes her change of heart? It’ll be really interesting to see.
Yeah… Chani is much better in the movie than she is in the books! And i love the Dune as a book… But like many scifi writers, Herbert was greator of the ideas… not very good character writer.
It doesn't make any sense physics wise BUT the scenes on the Harkonnen Home-Planet GIEDI PRIME were shot with the concept that their "Black Sun" doesn't reveal colour but swallows it instead. All those scenes were shot in INFRARED instead of the human colour spectrum that's why it looks so alien. I LOVE IT! 🤍🖤
23:20 Paul is having a nightmare about Chani being burned by an atomic blast. The Imperium has VERY STRICT rules about the use of atomic weapons. The Great Convention states "The use of atomics against humans will be cause for planetary obliteration." The primary use case would be when one house attacks another. It could also be used when one faction on a planet uses atomics against another faction. In the case of Arrakis, there are special considerations. No one wants spice destroyed. So in lieu of planetary obliteration, it would likely be obliteration of Fremen sietches.
And Paul gets around it with a technicality: he used the weapons on the shield wall, not on people. The Imperium is not thrilled with his logic, but by that point there isn’t much they can do anymore.
It's following the letter of the law, but not the spirit. Atomic weapons are not supposed to be used at all. But the law only states they may not be used against humans.
@@wackyvorlon They couldn't do anything to the Fremen, with all their Imperial eggs in one basket--spice only on Arrakis. Whoever controls spice controls the galaxy. Paul controlled spice = Emperor Muad'dib.
@@rikk319Which is probably why the script has him threaten the concentrated spice fields but not the water attack in the book where literally every last sandworm would die.
@@davidw.2791 that threat was only to the guild because only the guild, the fremen and paul and jessica know its part of the life cycle of the worm. no one else does
Regarding targeting the wall with nukes instead of enemy troops, everyone has house nukes in a multi-way mutual assure destruction arrangement with the understanding that if anyone attacks anyone else, everyone else will retaliate against them. So by only using the nukes against terrain he's skirting the rules on first use.
The scene where Paul enters the great hall and gets everyone to follow him is both awesome and chilling. These men and women have had their messiah, their god revealed to them, the greatest moment of their cultures existence. They are now lead by the one person in the Imperium who cannot be ordered by the Emperor, killed by the Harkonnens, or (most importantly in my opinion) controlled or subverted by the schemes of the Bene Gesserit. Paul Muad'ib Atreides, Duke of Arrakis, Emperor, Lisan-Al-Gaib and Kwisach Haderach will burn the galaxy, and the Fremen will happily to it.
Both the suspensor belts used to float and the Holtzman shields attract the worms and drive them into a frenzy. That's why they don't use them in the desert.
I saw this in theater with my son. The riding of the worm, was an unforgettable experience. The whole theater was shaking! My seat was trying to throw me off, like riding a bucking bronco! incredible! I needed a seat belt! I reached for my son, fearing for his safety. He was screaming with delight! We both let go of our seats, stretched our arms and legs and WENT FOR A RIDE on the worm!
Make sure you watch the video of Denis Villeneuve breaking down how they did that scene. It’s like 90% practical. They built their own sand dune, and put three large pipes in it. Each pipe was attached to a truck. They had a stunt man run along the ridge of the dune, as the trucks pulled the pipes out collapsing the dune under him. Truly incredible.
I commented to friends that I felt like a giddy 8-year-old kid during that scene! It should have been cheesy, but it wasn't. The combination of effects, cinematography, acting, and music made a pure triumph, and it got me good!
@@moleman1976 It WAS cheesy in the 1984 Dune, like most of the film. They used practical effects too, which goes to show some of the practical-effect purists that it doesn't matter whether you use practical or CGI effects, as long as they are done well. Denis did both superbly in this film.
@@natmanprime4295 there are some ‘4D’ cinemas where the seating in the theatre is set up like amusement park film rides, where the seat moves with what is going on on screen. Apparently some 4D theatre growers feared for their necks or backs during Dune Part 2
The hooks for wormriding pull the worms "scales" or "plates" up, exposing its soft skin and breathing tubes, it irritates them and prevents them from going back under the sand. Imagine it like you wearing a full scuba mask and you can go underwater... But someone takes your mask off when you surface and won't give it back until you swim a bit. That's how it feels to the worms. They *could* go back under, but they instinctively know they would suffocate.
I havent read the books yet but a little detail I learned is that because of energy shields guns became useless. And if they use laser guns and makes contact with a shield it kills both the one with the shield and the shooter with a nuclear explosion.
I think this is a big part of why they take down the shielded ornithopter before firing lasguns at the harvester. With the scale of the reaction, even a very small chance of hitting a shield would be unacceptable.
@@wackyvorlon It was an interesting idea, the laser/shield nuke stuff, when I read the books, but it didn't make sense considering the fanaticism of the Fremen. Later in the first book it tells of Fremen women throwing their babies at the Saudakar to distract them while their husbands kill their enemies...absolute religious extremism. Now in the present day any religious fundamentalist leader in the Middle East would love to get their hands on a nuclear device. I'm supposed to believe the Fremen wouldn't sacrifice chosen warriors to use a lasgun against Harkonnen/Imperial shielded units or bases? It's like a suicide vest x 1 million.
it doesn't definitely kill them its simply a possiblity so no one takes the chance. and it is weird in that it could kill the person whose shield is shot or kill the person doing the shooting or both or somewhere away from both so its never used as a tactic in battle
Sometimes. About half of the times when lasers hit shields, they do absolutely nothing. Sometimes they cause only small explosion. Sometimes they explode with more force than any nuclear weapons. Sometimes only the shield emitter explodes, sometimes only the laser gun, and sometimes both. There is no way to predict the outcome of pseudo-atomics, apart from Paul's genetic and spice induced prescience.
so the main things to note that i felt this movie doesn't explain all that well: water is poisonous to sand worms, which is what we see when the fremen drowns the baby worm. When a worm is mixed with water, it makes the water of life, which is basically like concentrated spice and is what allows you to expand your mind enough to be able to use prescience, but is deadly to anyone who hasn't been trained to survive poisons. the spacing guild is a powerful faction of people who have genetically modified themselves to be able to use spice to pilot FTL ships. They consume a ton of spice and that allows them to access a limited form of prescience to be able to fold space and allow ships to travel between stars. Originally this was possible with AI, but after the butlerian jihad all AI were outlawed. So the spacing guild have a complete monopoly on space travel, and require spice to do this. Which is why Paul threatening to destroy the spice fields works, because the space guild would never allow anyone to threaten Paul and therefore lose their monopoly. this next part is not in the movie at all, and so could be considered a spoiler for the next movie(s). But it is explained in the first Dune book. Read at your own risk. spice is created as a result of baby sandworms, so if the worms all die, there will be no spice. Reintroducing water to Arrakis will kill all the worms and therefore destroy all possible production of spice. So making Arrakis green and habitable means the worms will die which will destroy the only known source of spice and permanently stop the galaxy from using FTL travel. The empire has had the ability to make arrakis green forever, they just never will because they know spice is related to the worms. Obviously the fremen don't really care about this, they want the planet to be green and while they worship the worms they don't really care about spice all that much. In the books Paul threatens to flood the spice fields with water as opposed to using nukes, and the spacing guild then basically surrenders to him and supports his holy war against the other great houses.
@@Christobanistan The tech for advanced AI hasn't been around for ten thousand years. No one knows how to make it. I mean, they don't even have computers equivalent to what we have today in the Dune universe. It would take centuries to rediscover the technology for AI. The Fremen also don't realize that turning their planet green again would kill them all. They are completely addicted to spice, as it's in their food, water, and air. Terraforming Arrakis would kill worms-->no more spice-->spice withdrawal for all Fremen-->all Fremen die. There's no happy ending for the Fremen.
@@rikk319 Ah, that makes sense! Although, they have plenty of technology that seems to be highly dependent on advanced computational technologies, such as that seeker drone that went after Paul, and space faring technologies. So I seriously doubt it would take centuries to reconstitute neural networks. Two decades at the very most, I think. It's mainly a function of compute scale, at first, and they seem to have that in spades.
@@Christobanistan It's possible...the only problem would be a ten thousand year old cultural taboo with most of the population over reviving AI tech and robots, and needing to expect hostility over it.
this was the first movie in a very long time i felt completely immersed in the story with no thoughts of how people on the internet might respond to this movie. i love it. 🥰
No shields --- those draw the worms, driving them to a killing frenzy. Don't know if you saw the first movie, but that was mentioned there. To find out why a far-flung galactic empire used relatively primitive technology, you have to really delve into the lore of the books, which is very dense and layered. What Herbert called "The Butlerian Jihad" is of particular interest (why they stay well away from AI).
The worm stays above ground because its armor is folded up. The actual skin beneath is very sensitive, so if the worm were to dive it would cause a lot of pain
There's a massive difference to reading a book or series of books and adapting those books to film. I read the books back in the 80's and these 2 films are very close to the books but with some changes, much like there were changes to the Lord of the Rings Trilogy
Quick point about lasers and shields: in the Dune universe they cannot interact without causing atomic level explosions. So, the warfare tactic of 'slow blade penetrating the shields' emerges. It is similar with a lot of technology in Dune, like 'thinking machines' that are religiously banned due to the past history of warfare.
She cut a LOT out of this ngl. I was expecting a 45-55min video. She even cut out Gurney's introduction and he just randomly shows up at the war council later. She didn't even show the scene walking back with him where Gurney asks if he's scared of going South because he loses control and Paul says "because I gain it". That scene is so badass
Yeah she cut sooo much out, none of the best parts that I actually wanted to see the reaction to were kept in. (stilgar mentionig a green paradise, feyd entering the arena, Lisan al ghaib speech, long live the fighters, lead them to paradise)
"Things are probably set in motion, and he is just not accepting his role." SPOT ON. He sees multiple futures, but in doing so he is trapped by the very few ways in which things are not as bad as they could be (60 Billion dead vs every human dead)
Natalie, it's always amazes me how well you anticipate directions in plotlines and are seldom ever wrong. Beautiful Lady, lovely smile and sharp as a tack. Always a pleasure to watch a movie with you, thank you!
It's not really touched on or explained by the movies, but laser weapon + shield = nuclear type explosion. Hence the Harkkonnen soldier at the beginning saying "no shields". Also, the attack style on the spice harvesters. Physical penetration weapons work against the kill-copters, lasers don't (unless you want to kill everyone in the area and ruin all the stuff). On the nuclear topic, yes, they targeted the walls behind the stronghold. Part of the agreement between all of the Great Houses (of which Atreides is one), is that they will never use nuclear weapons against each other's armies. Paul is being clever in a technical sense.
I think the Harkonnen said “No shields” because it would attract more worms. Keynes mentioned in the first movie that shields drive the worms into a killing frenzy.
I actually watched both movies as a double feature at the cinema (already saw the first one, but the opportunity was too good) and there was a break between the movies to get some air, take a walk or - as in my case - go to toilet and buy a second round of snacks and cola. After a few minutes everybody was back in their seats, advertisments and trailers started to play, nobody paid attention to it and suddenly like 5 times as loud as all the ads the throatsinging thing of the intro started and everyone reacted like chatting students when the teacher suddenly calls their names like "WOW, ALRIGHT, YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION!"
Personally amused by how Paul's answer in both part one and two to Jessica cautioning him is to just say "screw it, all in". First to sell Liet on his being Lisan al-Gaib. Then the whole council.
I don't blame you for messing up your outro. I felt like I couldn't think about anything else for about an hour after watching the movie for the first time. An absolute masterpiece and moving beyond words. Thanks for the reaction. I love your appreciation for Denis and all involved. I'm in awe of these films.
Seeing how quickly that both Stilgar and Lady Jessica conform to the prophecy is downright chilling. For Jessica, it’s things finally being set in proper motion after years of the Bene Gesserit planting the seeds where they had to be. But Stilgar losing himself in the fanaticism of Paul becoming their Lisan Al Gaib is heartbreaking, because on the one hand, he’s finally seeing the hope that other Fremen were hopeful for, but at the cost of losing their identity to the greater purpose that the prophecy implies. Especially considering that Paul is the BEST option compared to Feyd? Doesn’t bode well for anyone, even Paul.
jessica is only conforming to the prophecy to survive and to ensure her son survives she doesn't care about the KH program. the fremen losing their connection to their culture is necessary becauseits violent and downright dogmatic.
The worm stays above ground because of the hooks. The rider pulls the scales up, exposing the worms flesh beneath. Sand getting past the scales is very painful for the worm, so they keep the side with the rider above the sand so that it hurts less. This is also how the rider steers, and why after being ridden, the worms don't attack. They are exhausted.
the thing i didn't expect when open this movie is how sad it made me feel. when paul thinks he's taking control of his life, all he faces is choosing the lesser evil in a situation he's powerless to even when he's THE prophet.
This goes unexplained in the movies but the reason they fight with swords and not guns (lasguns) is because if a lasgun hits a shield it creates a nuclear-like explosion. This is why swords and shields are the preferred fighting gear. Also having a shield out in the sands would drive the sandworms into a killing frenzy.
And there's no way to predict where along a beam the explosion will occur. You could shoot a shield from miles away and the atomic explosion could happen 5 feet in front of you.
people keep saying this its not true its not that it WILL create a nuclear explosion it is that it MAY and there is no way of predicting where the explosion will ocure it can happen anywhere within range of the reaction
The level of existential dread and sorrow I felt the rest of the night after this movie was something else. I haven't read the books but I was generally aware of the direction it was going but this movie really captured that feeling. As soon as Lady Jessica took the blue juice, the movie became so much more horrifying.
She stopped being Jessica after that...her own personality was just one in a sea of hundreds or thousands of other Reverend Mothers' personalities in her head.
@@rikk319 Yup, I've seen a lot of reactors not realise that with her or Paul. People's lived experiences help shape their personality, so when you suddenly have access to thousands of lived experiences, you are going to change
My most anticipated part of Paul's story is the moment when a student outperform their teachers and infuse all that lessons in Arrakis which makes him the real deal. What i found surprising is despite everyone call him the real deal, he doesn't want to just take that title the easy way, he wants to do the hardwork to prove to mostly himself (and others) that he earned it, and that also speaks to his long term thinking that by doing that, he'll be able to convince the skeptics in the Fremen to accept him as their own and gain an absolute loyalty from the whole Fremen. That's a quality trait of leadership
I love how the final fight between Paul and Feyd-Rautha calls back to the training with Gourney Halleck, where Paul learns that going for the quick kill could lead to the outcome shown in Part Two. These details are always amazing.
there are two reasons they didn't turn on their shields one it drives sandworms into a frenzy, and two and the big one if the beam from a lasgun hits an active shield there can be an atomic explosion
When worm riders stick the hooks, they raise the carapace exposing the flesh beneath. The coarse sand is abrasive to the flesh thus the worm wont roll over and submerge. This is all clever sub-text that comes directly from the book.
In the post Star Wars, current super hero generation, it’s easy to forget how few people have actually seen true science fiction handled with respect for the genre and for the audience on the big screen. Thank goodness for directors like Villanueve who have actually read these works helming films like this with the clout to actually get them marketed as they should.
18:23 And THAT is how you introduce a villain!! Also, this scene is in black and white (at least the outdoor part) because the Harkonnen’s home planet has a black sun.
What's crazy is that the Worm riding scene is all practical, they made a fake Worm top for the actor/stunt person to stand on then they pelted them with sand and a wind machine
Denis changed Chani A LOT, which i think helped a lot of people understand things more clearly, Paul is just a guy who is definitely special but, he is no messiah and is absolutely not the fremen leader they need. Chani made that aspect apparant in this film
An interesting thing about The Ordeal and the Water of Life is that, in the book, once the Reverend Mother changes its chemistry inside her body, catalyzing it into a non-lethal substance, the waiting Fremen gather a little bit of the changed Water from the Reverend Mother's mouth back into the original container of Water of Life (the container holds a lot more than the glass bottle shown in the film). The changed Water interacts with the original Water, catalyzing the whole batch, rendering it *all* non-lethal (in that container). The catalyzed Water of Life is then shared with the entire tribe at that particular seitch, where they then all have a fantastic, hallucinogenic-fueled ôrgý.
Can't use shields in the desert, they drive the worms into a killing frenzy. Keynes mentioned it in the first movie.
Partially true. But in this case they were on a rocky hill. That means that they can't use shields because of laser weapons. It's not said in the movies, but if you use laser against shields it casuses masive nuclear reaction. That's why they yelled "No shields".
@@DavidBusaahhh.
Also A laser shot to a shield creates a nucklear explosion.
I thought Keynes did say that the shields draw the worm in part one… in any case, I’m pleased that the effect for the shields has a noticeable rapid vibration so that you can make the inference for yourself if you try to work it out. The details in these films are exquisite
@@DavidBusawhich is wild they were pretty liberal with that laser when attacking Arrakeen in the last movie.
The worm remains on the surface because one of its skin folds is lifted up, and it stays on the surface as long as that fold is raised. It not only stays on the surface, but the skin fold ends up on top of it. So even if it is grabbed from the side, the worm slowly turns around.
And it does that because although it is very protected on the outside, its flesh underneath its plates is very sensitive and sand getting in it could hurt it very badly and even kill it.
Sandworm version of a hangnail
Yeah the movie shows this very effectively with the nasty worm nostrils that immedietly make us viscerally react with disgust at the thought of damaging them.
Isn't it also like sectional scales like a worm but it regulates the air intake vs sand?
Yeah, if I recall this is explained in detail in the book. This film would have made me so happy in high school. I’d be jealous of Denis if I didn’t think he was the absolute best person to take on adapting the novel. In fact, I’m beside myself in anticipation for Dune Messiah
The bene gesserit don’t tell their women who their parents/family are so that if they needed/wanted to breed two relatives together to keep certain bloodlines strong, they could make it happen without question.
That’s one reason why the Bene Gesserit Mother was pissed that Jessica produced a son because their plan was to breed a female Atreides with Feyd
Natzi style breeding the superior being!
Really nice tatch by Herbert!
Yeah because as we know breeding a family together leads to 'stronger' bloodlines.
And definitely not birth defects and genetic disorders.
To be precise, they don't always tell them. It's usually hidden when the knowledge would interfere with their plans.
@@ge2719 it doesn't necessarily lead to birth defects and genetic disorders. It increases the chances of getting two pairs of a defective (or enhanced) gene. The lack of genetic diversity can be countered by breeding it out in the next generation
@@ge2719 if the bene gesserit say it doesn't then they probably know more then you
The gradual realization on the part of people who haven’t read the books that Paul’s victory might not be a good thing is so much fun to see.
I ain't read the books but I knew he will have a Heel turn they give you hints throughout the film
Love that WWE term, Heel turn@@starlord3496
@@starlord3496 "A HOLY WAR IN MY NAME"
idk why, but if they used the original wording, *jihad* in my name, it would somehow come across as more villainous. Curious ;D
@@starlord3496 I do agree an attentive viewer can see the red flags by the end of the first movie (our first shot of Paul is an answer to Chani’s question of who the Fremen’s next oppressor will be), but many people are so well “trained” by the traditional hero narratives that even by the end of this one they’re wondering why the main characters aren’t more excited about winning.
That's the mainstream and false interpretation of the books. It's pretty clear that Paul's victory, which leads to the God Emperor's reign, is the thing that prevents human extinction in the long run. Trying to make it about "Paul being actually a villain" is simply dishonest. He's the hero, even if his victory is tragic and the salvation of humanity comes at an unfathomable price.
Watching this on IMAX was a whole experience. Not many movies can give me chills, this one did many times.
Wait till you see LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (1962). Both the DUNE novels and the film adaptations take inspiration from this film (as well as SEVEN PILLARS OF WISDOM, the memoir on which LAWRENCE OF ARABIA is based on).
This is very true. A lot of stuff coming out on IMAX gains nothing by the format other than rising the price of a ticket.
Same, went 4 times
Easily the best movie I have ever seen in theaters. The whole room was SHAKING during some scenes. Paul walking up to the southern fremen gave me chills
The last hour in IMAX was 10/10 perfect cinema -- one of the best movie experiences I've ever had. I've seen it 3 more times since, and read the first two books. So good.
It's actually really chilling to see the way the Fremen go from harvesting the water from their slain enemies to just straight up burning their bodies in the end, sacrificing their culture so quickly for religious fervor
It was symbolism under orders from Paul. He wanted to burn them as they had burned his family.
I mean they already explained they had no use for their water since it was so polluted. But that could be a reason
Didn't think of it that way that's a great insight. Not least as previously the water they'd collected over the generations was wiped out in a few minutes
@@sensaiuriah5440 They won't use harvested water from Harkonnens for drinking but Stilgar said they use it for plenty of other things. And not all those soldiers are Harkonnens either. Sardukar would be perfectly fine for drinking water. But that is being abandoned.
The way I see it is that this shows how fully they are comitted to Lisan Al Gaib and the promise that he will turn Arrakis back into a green paradise, where water is no longe such a scarce resource.
The scenes on Giedi Prime genuinely made my jaw drop every time I've seen this movie. The way they were shot is not only so creative, but the acting and music set the atmosphere so well that it instantly feels like a completely different planet, culture and a huge threat, which is exactly what the movie is going for.
Yes, shooting those scenes in infrared was an amazing choice. It really helped to cement the fascist feel.
My personal favorite is Paul's arrival at the Southern War Council. Just the brutalistic, barren southern landscape coupled with the Harkonnen horns and drums that now dominates the soundtrack after the revelation of Paul's ancestry, and the Harkonnen arenalike chanting that accompanies the Atreides theme as Paul makes his way through the mass of Fremen... I get chills every time.
It's way shorter than the Geidi Prime sequence, but it's executed just as well, and Denis better get at least a Best Director nomination come Oscars season cause he was the only part of Dune 1 that wasn't even nominated last time
the only part I didnt like was how they choose to make feyd rautha look like a legit threat worthy of fighting paul, like killing 3 drugged men would make the bene gesserit think he's incredible, he beat one old man and everyone including the emperor acts like hes the best fighter in the universe
@@attoboi9763he expected all three to be drugged, the last one not could have been lethal regardless. These are trained killers, the fact that Feyd dropped his shield and embraced the situation is the point. Another note, the guy he (easily) killed would be considered a nearly olympic gold medalist fighter today, people are built different 20 thousand years in the future.
@@ericthrone6547 yes but does killing one trained killer 1v1 with interference from the 6 guys encircling them really make him look that powerful?
32:11 This scene has a LOT of meta significance. In the books, Paul says he sees 2 possible futures for survival. One of those futures involves him standing before the Baron and saying "Hello, Grandfather". Paul is disgusted by this future. The other involves Paul's sister Alia (who is already born at that point) killing the Baron herself.
Paul saying "Grandfather" is a nice callback to that, AND can help explain the differences between the book and the film. The book is one of the possible futures. The film is an alternative future/universe.
That is a brilliant catch!
So the story is not the same with the book?
@@Falwashere it is essentually, but they changed it a bit because his sister is actually born in the book and kills the baron as a toddler who is very wise like her mother because of the holy water. In the movies Pauls doing it because Alia isn't born yet but it but he mentions that one of the futures is meeting him and saying hallo Grandfather so it't a cool easter egg
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@@jounnesy9612 and in the 1984 movie the actress Alicia Witt in one of her first roles playing that creepy as hell 8 year old killing the Barron with the Gom Jabbar needle.
The final look between Paul and Chani with their theme playing in the background never fails to make me tear up
"We're not going to give the worms a little snack? Excuse me, the worms worked very hard."
That line killed me. Comedy out of nowhere.
They already ate their fill.
Comedy Gold you might say...
I’m not surprised she wonders that. The fremen worship the worms as gods but then also do this.
I mean they are literally making the spice humans harvest to trip through space, the least they deserve is a little snack.
Wildlife always manages to find their way to organic garbage anyway.
Religious fervor can make people forget their true values.
34:31 the cinematographer is Greig Fraser. He's the genius behind the first film as well and he won an Oscar for best cinematography. He's also behind huge films like The Batman (2022), Star Wars Rogue One (2016), and The Creator (2023).
He's amazing.
Whoa... ALL of those films are utterly stunning, visually.
Fun fact: the books actually explain that the Imperium have the power to make Arrakis inhabitable, but they choose not to, because in order for the Spice to exist, Arrakis needs to be a desert.
Keynes does mention that in the first movie briefly, but most people miss it.
They actually do have a scene in the first film implying that, I think they say something about the work having been done then they discovered the spice. Something like that.
No worms, no spice. Basically. The exact mechanism is a little more complicated but that’s what it boils down to.
And water is lethal to the sand worms.
It definitely plays into the theming of colonial powers' exploitation of natural resources. Making Arrakis green does have longlasting and unforeseen ecological and societal consequences down the line, due to spice production becoming impossible, but that's another story.
And in the latter books, Arrakis is made a paradise, but the worms are dying, it becomes a major plot point in the last three books.
4:16 The shot of the eclipse is actually real (bar the second moon, of course). It happened when they were shooting the movie in 2022 and they decided to film it and put it in the movie!
Fun Fact about the books, Princess Irulan the emperor's daughter will become the prime historical source for Paul's story.
Every chapter begins with a quote from her documents.
And her cousin will do the same for Paul's son.
As a result she's first character whose name we get in the books because it opens with a quote from one of her books, 'The Manual of Muad'Dib'.
She's also the most cucked woman in the universe
@@nur418777 I really like the reveal who's the author of the quotes in Children of Dune.
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Fr that makes me consider them
The hooks used for riding a worm expose the inner sensitive flesh of the worm, that's why it doesn't sink into the sand again. They turn the worm moving the hooks, because the worm will always try to have the exposed part on the top. For dismounting they just ride the worm until it tires, then it's not "as dangerous" to drop down.
Denis has actually said in an interview that he came up with a cool way they would dismount and said that he'll probably show it in the next movie
@@jossshhhh1991 ooh interesting, looking forward to that. I think it'd be fairly simple to show them sliding or jumping off at a certain angle to dismount or something. I always wonder how the huge groups mount and dismount though, especially the elderly and kids lol
@@deek60819i think they undo the hooks in a way that makes the worms sink straight and they just slowly slide off like a escalator
35:40 Paul surviving his wounds isn't as lucky as you think. Paul had already been getting Prana-Bindu training from Jessica, and had a lot of control over his own body. Also, when Paul drank the Water of Life, he gained all the powers of a Reverend Mother with one very important difference: he gained the memories of both his male and female ancestors.
So Paul likely used his bodily control to stop the bleeding.
In the novel, Feyd uses a blade that is poisoned with a drug that that slows you down, but isn't detected as a poison by the poison snoopers (devices that check for the presence of poison). Paul is able to adjust his body chemistry to counteract the effect of the drug.
exactly paul is also stated to be far better than his mother in the prana bindu nerve control by his own mother so he has martial abilties suprassing that of his mother a fully trained bene gesserit
He also survived because he used the same technique that he had during sparring with Gurney and foresaw how to end the fight (we are shown this for a second when Paul tells Jessica that she is Harkonen)
yeah they left out lot really crazy stuff which is ok but some of that is what makes Dune so fun. like they totally glossed over the Spacing Guild and its Navigators
The reason the gladiator fight looks like that is because it was shot in infrared. It's a very cool style choice.
I was amazed when I read that. It works perfectly. It gives the whole scene a completely new look.
I think the point is that planet actually HAS an infrared sun. When they got outside is when it cuts to black and white.
Nobody else mentioned what you said at 10:56, I totally agree this is much more nuanced than people are seeing. Paul starts off the movie with pure revenge in his heart, that's where he ended the last film. Then he opens this film by saying early on his exact plan, convert the non believers. Later he stands between the two groups looking back and forth. He leaves the believers and goes to talk to the unfaithful, not just because he understands them more and is more like them, but because he needs their help. Because he wants to be accepted, and he does this in this underhanded way... His thoughts evolve through the film, but this is definetly where he starts out, and is an important motivator. He resents the propoganda, yet he uses it, and yet the most profitable course of action is to reject it at first and gather support from all sides. Now that's crazy.
His Bene Gesserit training sneaks through even when he doesn’t mean it to. They are all about subtle manipulation and control.
@@wackyvorlon
Precisely what I thought. "You have more than one birthright". The universe showed him that Bene Gesserit ways survive, and his father's ways led to death. Literally.
"How does his hair look so perfect?"
Maybe he's born with it?
Maybe it's Muad'Dib...
Lisan al Ha-iiir!
I understood that reference. :)
LOL
as it is written!
@@titokrause He *IS* the Kwizatz Hair-derach!!!
The first time Paul rides the sand worm was utterly incredible in theaters. That and every time there was a thumper, the audio was awe inspiring. My mouth was dropped through that entire scene.
Every time I watch the monologue from Paul towards the climax of the film, I get goosebumps. An incredible job of writing and performance from Timothee. He does a great job driving home the sinister tone of that moment. It’s terrifying to see him embrace the role of Lisan Al-Gaib.
The slow transition from “fuck yeah, Paul” to “oh…oh no Paul” in this movie is insane
12:51 - I actually love this moment. Don't know how it's described in the books, but cinematically, when the thopter falls as they run away laughing, I get the sense that these are two youths playing in a giant "sand box" (so to speak), having fun. It's like it's such a normal experience for Fremen (fighting invaders) that it's also one of the activities the way their youths play together while growing up, like it's all a big game if that makes any sense. Two people falling in love against the backdrop of a larger war, fighting the good fight or something. A trope we've all seen before.
I don’t think there’s a specific scene like that in the book that I can remember, but it does a good job showing how okay the fremen are with death. They live on the edge every day, seeing friends and family die often, so death and danger just isn’t very scary to them, not as much as a normal person. It’s why in the first movie Jamis is so quick to choose a fight to the death. They don’t even cry for their dead, it’s a waste of water.
This also is ironically what makes them very susceptible to spiritual manipulation. When you live such a life, believing in a dream of a green paradise gives hope beyond all reason.
“Nothing can survive there without faith.”
@@Roach_Dogg_JRsay rather that such religious fervor is the only way one could find hope in such a planet and under such oppression and endure.. we modern people underestimate the power of religion so much, since we havent had to personally and directly compete to death over resources..
Love love LOVEEEEE Jessica’s character arc in this movie! She’s so slimy but I loved every second of it
If you haven’t read the book, you need to. She’s even slimier in the book. That part where she’s thinking to herself about how to convert the nonbelievers is basically her thought process throughout the book.
In the movie she seems a lot more sympathetic until she drinks the Water of Life. In the book you're reminded often that she's just as scheming as other Bene Gesserit, but she's loyal to House Atriedes, instead of the Bene Gesserit's long-term plans. People are just as much pawns to her as to Reverend Mother Mohiam.
There were definite shades of Rose The Hat (Rebecca's character in Doctor Sleep) in her short monologue about converting the unbelievers. She starts out with this barely noticeable smile, but as she goes on her expression gets colder and colder. Brilliant stuff.
In the book dune Messiah, Chani was internally conflicted the entire time, but stayed with paul.
She was always fremen.
This change is very welcome. It's a different branch on the same path.
32:59 can we just acknowledge how badass the shot of Rabban's body falling to Gurney's feet is ? the lighting is just flawless, all you can see is this shadow-like figure triumphing over his enemy
Hits a lot harder when you remember, that in Part 1, Paul's first words after he sees the future for the first time is:
*"Somebody help me, please."*
First fight scene explained:
The black suits that Harkonnens wear are a good example of their unwillingness to adapt I think. Everything they have is basically black and white due to their black (colorless) sun.
Hovering/Floating takes... battery power...
Shields + Laser/Lasgun = Nuke explosion. The same reason a lot of warriors use swords instead of Lasguns against one another. That guy who screamed "No shields!" was actually pretty smart, the only person who did anything useful in that situation for their side.
not necessarily nuke, but possible nuke and its even crazier than just a possiblity the reaction could be at the recieving end, or can be at the sender or both ends or neither and can happen away from both ends.
Wooo! Thank you for your sacrifice for US!
There’s no judgment when you give up the ultimate experience just to give us this content. Much appreciated 😊
You can always return to the big screen.
After the successes of these films, there is NO way the studios won't re-release in theaters to capitalize on the film-goer frenzy
@@3Kings_Industries Yeah, but only if you are in the US. Maybe Canada.
I watched this in IMAX. I will never be the same again.
preach brother
I drove from Cheyenne WY to Texas to see it in IMAX with the 1.43:1 screen. Unfortunately, I screwed up when I ordered my tickets. So I then drove from Texas to Branson, Missouri to the 1.43:1 screen there.
It was amazing seeing so much more of what was happing in the film.
But I will NEVER go back to Branson. It was incredibly creepy. The Simpsons was right: Branson is like Las Vegas if it was run by Ned Flanders.
I'm in India so we have a small number of IMAX theaters here. I had to drive 80 Miles to New Delhi to watch the movie, all I can say is that I have "No Regrets"
Oh yeah, for my second viewing we drove almost 3 hours to Leonberg (in Germany) for the very first time, where the - as of today - biggest (IMAX, though not the 1.43:1 format) screen on the planet is. It was quite the experience!! 🤤
I forgot to mention that I'm God's perfect idiot. That car trip from Wyoming to Texas to Missouri to Wyoming was about 2700 miles...
The first Harkonnen unit didn’t used their shields cause in lore when a laser shot hit a shield, it creates a small nuclear explosion, they were using laser guns, so a single shot could kill them all.
All of them got killed by the Fremen anyway 😂
I feel like Harkonnen soldiers are nothing if not optimistic.
The big bulky suits they wear, at least in this film, are the result of Harkonnens not being adapted to the environment of Arrakis, being from a world where they are barely exposed to UV light, hence their borderline albinism. However, I wanna say that there is also a detail in the deep lore that says that because spice is so suffused within the ecosystem, once you spend a long enough time on Arrakis, you can't just go live offworld because your body becomes reliant on spice to function. So even if they survive the holy war, many of those Fremen going offworld in the final shots might die from spice withdrawal anyway.
@@radicaladzlmao they better bring a baggy of spice for the road or something 😂
Could also call a worm which would complicate thing
@@radicaladz the Eyes of Ibad (blue eyes) is also said to be a sure sign of spice addiction. It's basically THE designer drug in the rest of the universe, but for Fremen it's just a sacred part of their culture
The guild navigators are even cooler imo. We may not get to see any but it'd be soo sick to get to see some in Messiah
Despite Paul calling Feyd-Rautha "cousin", he still isn't revealing to others the fact that the Baron, Vladamir, was his grandfather; it's well-known that the Houses' lords are occasionally distantly related. In Part 1, when Vladimir has Duke Leto naked at the dinner table, he says, "You have a wonderful kitchen, cousin," acknowledging the fact that they are related by blood. Ultimately, the way the Bene Gesserit "careful cross bloodlines" is by providing concubines to ruling houses w/o the men actually knowing which bloodline they come from.
Yes. The Bene Gesserit use the noble houses like breeding stock to make their ultimate human being, which they believe they can also control. Their hubris is astounding, but that's what tends to happen to people who remain in power too long.
@@rikk319When Paul shouts *SILENCE* to the RM i felt like he was implying sth like *BE THANKFUL I’M NOT ORDERING YOU TO SHOVE YOUR HEAD UP YOUR OWN ASS*
NOPE vladamir isn't saying they are really cousins that is a misunderstanding many have its a ceromonial term taken from real life the thing is that the baron isn't the same level of noble that leto was who was a duke which is the highest order of nobility
This is taken directly from the book:
"I've lived for a time on this planet, cher cousin."
"Believe me, cher cousin," the Baron said. "I do not want it to come to this."
And there is another bit in the book where the Harkonnens receive a letter from Duke Leto, and Piter comments that it's missing the usual polite introduction:
"He's most uncouth, Baron. Addresses you as 'Harkonnen' - no 'Sire et Cher Cousin,' no title, nothing."
The "cher" lets us know that this is a French phrase they're dropping.)
Since nobility intermarry and were usually related to each other in some way or another, it has sometimes been used in a generic way to address people of their own class, whether or not they were in fact related.
essentially its just a way of saying my fellow noble and that mis it. all humans are related and currently no two people are no more than 50th cousins. but 23,000 years in the future people would be way further distantly related
its different than leto and shaddam who were in fact distantly related
"The Baron cannot forget that Leto is a cousin of the royal blood-no matter what the distance-while the Harkonnen titles came out of the CHOAM pocketbook."
As I look back on it, I think there may have been some prescience in my father, too, for it is certain that his line and Muad'Dib's shared common ancestry.
LETO ATREIDES (10,140-10,191)
A distaff cousin of the Corrinos
("Distaff" means on the female side, so the Atreides are descended from a daughter of one of the earlier Corrino Emperors.)
@@rikk319 its not hubris its factual. the bene gesserit would have been able to control paul if the plan was followed alia would have been pauls mother and paul would have inherited feyds weaknesses that allow him to be controlled by the bg.
he would have been trained by alia to believe the way the bene gesserit believe
@31:00 Paul sends the family atomics to blow up the Shield Wall that protects the city from the Worms. This Shield Wall was mentioned by Thufir Hawat in the first film. Blowing this up allows the Worms to penetrate the city and gives Paul the upper hand in the conflict.
The cinematographer is Grieg Fraser, he won an Oscar for best cinematography on the first Dune movie & he also did the cinematography for The Batman which is also visually stunning.
When a freman pulls on the rope hooked on the sand worm it peels back a part of the skin it breathes through , with it open the sand worm won’t dive becasue the sand gets in the now uncovered opening , that’s how they keep them from diving with people riding them, they pull on the rope /grappling hook which peels the fold back so the work won’t dive. Just fyi you asked why the worm wouldn’t jsut dive, that’s why. 🙂
The Atreides who isn't drugged is the captain of Leto's guards and the fight choreographer for both films, if anyone deserved to play that role, it was he
33:47 The term "Abomination" is used by the Bene Gesserit to describe a fetus that is exposed to the Water of Life. The Water of Life causes them to become aware, and unlocks the memories of generations of their female ancestors. This can be problematic (which is discussed in later books).
It is also used in other cases.
They split humanity into 3 groups, animals, humans, and abominations.
animals : the largest group of humanity unable to control their instincts and would fail the test with the box.
Humans : have self control and insight into themselves and should be able to control power like precognitive dreams and in case of women control the voices inside them after taking the water of life.
Abomination : any animal that has come into powers like precognitive dreams unable to control these powers.
This is also why after Paul passes the test with the box the reverend mother refers to Paul as young human.
@@edwinsuijkerbuijk5106 Yes. She still refers to him in an impersonal way, as the Bene Gesserit, even recognizing humans who display self-control, still place themselves above them. Their hubris was a cause of a lot of the problems in the galaxy. Sociopaths don't make good leaders, but they often crave leadership. It's a bad combination, in fiction and in reality.
Yup. For all of Alia’s brokenly OP quasi-Mary Sueness... she has NO SELF.
NO it isn't the term abomniation solely refers to a fetus that is preborn. the water of life is a fremen method of creating a reverend mother not known to anyone off world
@@rikk319 per science sociopaths don't actually exist. psychopaths do but studies prove they do actually make good leaders
Never had a true favorite movie until now. Dune 2 is a masterpiece, especially in IMAX.
IMAX IS EVERYTHING!
The Worms stay above ground because they pull back one of the plates with the hooks, which exposes it to the irritating sand. It won't dive while that's exposed.
The sound design is SO good. When all the music drops for the final fight and it's just them breathing? Perfect.
3:48 The technology that makes them float, called repulsors, drives the worms crazy. So since the worm had already been called it made sense to use the repulsors. That is also why you will see balloons lifting spice harvesters.
35:55 And Chani Übers out
19:00
Their skin is translucent because it’s not a filter, but filmed in infrared.
11:45 they explain in the first movie why they dont use guns. it's because of shields, but also because the guns are likely to bring sand worms i think.
16:10 they are showing you there that the hooks are used to pull open a flap on the worm that exposes holes that make the worms stay up above the surface.
16:20 the " as written" is because the prophecy says he will ride the biggest sand worm ever seen
19:13 yes they have a black sun that emits infra red turning everything black and white
28:00 the personality switch up is the " narrow way through" he see's he has to take charge.
31:00 the mountain was said in the first movie to protect the capital from sand worms, they blew it up to bring in the sand worms. they dont want to nuke the emporer because it won't get them into a power position it will make them the enemy of all the houses.
Pauls tale is one of tragedy.
He didn’t ask to be the Kwisatz Haderach. Paul himself in the first film says the line “Your Bene Gesserit made me a freak”
He loses his father and close friends.
Not even his spice enhanced prescience ability could foresee the attack on sietch tabr. He says the line in the film
“I couldn’t see” he then has visions of chani dying.
Even then he says he can’t go south for fear of fulfilling the prophecy.
When Chani asks him to help, he reluctantly agrees. It’s tragic because he is torn between this awful future but it’s the only way he can be sure to help his friends and save the women he loves.
A genuine masterpiece from Deni Villeneuve
Not to mention the aftermath of the holy war that will surely be shown in the next movie. And we'll need to remember: it was the "better" option.
@@vinnycordeiro it will be very interesting to see how Deni adapts Messaih… given it was written to contextualise Paul’s story and Deni has already done that with the changes to Chani’s character.
Also.. I wonder if they will bring back you know who… 👀
@@AMcCarthy83 My bet is that he'll take the same approach the miniseries from the 2000s did: by adapting parts of Children of Dune alongside Dune Messiah. But we'll need to wait.
Two really interesting things about this movie, one of which is from the book, the other of which is a movie addition.
First: this is one of the earliest examples I can think of about the Chosen One trope in popular fiction, yet compared to the way it usually plays out, this also counts as a deconstruction of it. Neat, huh?
Second: over the course of the movie, the audience identification character slowly switches over from Paul to Chani. I'm pretty sure that isn't in the book, but it's a brilliant piece of storytelling. As the protagonist gets caught up in a downward spiral of self-obliteration, the audience is simultaneously invited to emotionally distance itself from him and see the tale as personal horror rather than heroic triumph.
The White Saviour was an old trope when Herbert was writing - it's Victorian at earliest - plus Chosen Ones are as old as the hills, but Herbert had the bright idea to combine the two and make the White Saviour a bad guy (or, at least, not-good guy). I am taken by the fact that Dune, the founder text of modern scifi, and LOTR, the founder text of modern fantasy, are both deconstruction to an extent - LOTR has the cast desperate to get rid of the McGuffin, not find it.
Read the books after the first movie. Watched the second movie three times and am now rereading the books 😂 I’ve absolutely fallen in love with this world
Frank Herbert created such a fascinating world. One of the things I like about the books is that you get enough time to actually sit in this world and experience it. Something that really couldn’t be translated to the screen.
I did the same thing! Got my brother into the first movie a few months after it came out, he got us the books, and we read them before the second movie (he read the first four I read the first three). I've seen the second one three times in theaters
There were 2 scenes that made me chill when I first watched it in theaters. First: Paul's first worm ride and then, his speech. That scene, I almost started screaming Lisan Al'Ghaib at the theater.
33:34 Paul's threat to spice is different in the books. Instead of threatening them with atomics, he threatens to use the Water of Death. If the Water of Life is poured onto a pre-spice mass (spice fields are the result of pre-spice blowing up.), it will cause a chain reaction that will kill all sandworms on Dune.
only the fremen and the guild know the worms are the source of the spice
@@houseofaction The Fremen certainly knew about the sandworm life-cycle, as Liet-Kynes would have told them if they didn't know already.
I'm not so certain about what the Spacing Guild knew. I don't recall the Frank Herbert novels mentioning it. The BH/KJA may have, but I treat those novels the same way Frank Herbert meant the Dune Encyclopedia (that he authorized) to be treated: "Some of the contributions are sure to arouse controversy, based as they are on questionable sources."
As for the Water of Death...
The novel suggests that Paul is the only person who realized the Water of Life could be used to forever destroy spice on Arrakis. This would have been something he learned after drinking the Water of Life and being able to see all possible futures.
When the Emperor lands on Arrakis, he brought the forces of all of the Houses (Great and Small).
The Spacing Guild only allowed the Emperor to land; the other forces had to remain in space. Through their limited spice-induced prescience, the Spacing Guild knew that there would be disaster if they allowed all of the forces to land.
When Paul confronts the Emperor, he turns to the Spacing Guild representatives that came down with the Emperor. He ordered them to send the forces of the Houses back home or he would destroy spice forever. Again, the Spacing Guild's prescience told them that Paul was not bluffing, but they probably still didn't know how Paul would destroy the spice.
Watching this in imax was a revelation. I’ve read all the books but even then, I’d never been more swept up the way I was with this movie. Afterwards it was just a bunch of silent, disoriented people stumbling out of the theater not knowing what to do. Last time I experienced that was after Everything Everywhere All At Once.
Edit: The way I screamed at the idea of Feyd-Rautha in a duel to the death with Maude.
This is currently my favorite movie ever made - can’t wait to see your reaction!
I wish there was a way for you to get the theatrical experience and still have your reaction like here… it truly is magical!
Mate im literally here for Your personality 😂, your reactions are really genuine 🎉
thanks mate!
Is Paul the bad guy? While not what the author intended originally, as I believe he stated it was meant to be a warning about charismatic leaders who turn out to be despots, Dune is basically the first real example in "modern" fiction to create a truly complex character that exists outside of the usual good and evil tropes.
Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, it's always pretty black and white, while Dune exists almost entirely in the gray. There really isn't a "good" or "bad" character anywhere in it. Can good come from bad actions? Can doing the "wrong" thing result in the best outcome?
Personally, I think of Paul as a good guy who just has to do some really terrible things to get to the result he feels is best for those he leads, and the book does a good job of showing his struggle to accept that, and ultimately, in the end, he doesn't really accept it and it's left to another to fulfill. (I won't spoil it for nat)
Deni obviously considered Paul to be the baddie, as his spin on it, while cinematically a masterpiece, is far more influenced by more modern notions of proprietary. IE: He has to be the bad guy in our modern social climate. Zendaya has to walk away in the end instead of (as in the books) accepting that it's just a political marriage and there'll never be any sex or anything between them, so it doesn't really matter to her because he is still hers.
I'm just curious how he resolves that in the next one. Zendaya can't come back after making such a strong exit, or it defeats the entire point of the walk away. I have a feeling he'll just wash it away "Oh she had a change of heart as he had foreseen", but I'm hoping for more, cause that's pretty weak from a writing standpoint.
16:06 The worm is a "radial" being, it doesn´t front or back or sides. When they pull the scales, they're underneath is exposed to sand and atriction, and that side must go up - the worm will automatically try to put the exposed "side" up - and the rider can be on top. I think in the film they were very smart by showing this, not telling.
The bene gesserit can only see the female side of their bloodline, it's explained by women not having a "y" chromosome so when Paul drank the holy water he "accessed" his full ancestry.
Just an FYI from the book Dune, Freman children first ride the Worm at age 12.
Denis really did something very interesting with Chani in his film. She's very different in the book, and I admit she didn't make a big impact on me when reading it. But here, Denis took such an amazing approach, making her a more critical voice against the Bene Gesserit, the prophecy and Paul's role. I really loved that change in the story, and Zendaya played her wonderfully. All in all the movie is amazing, I loved what Denis and his team brought to life from the source material and what they chose to alter/adapt. It was very effective in the overall story. Such a stunning movie!
Denis used Chani to show the points many readers missed (and still miss!) while reading the first book; and watching many other reactors that point was also missed by the majority of them (but Nat got it). He'll need to do a lot of work to reconcile those changes with the events as told in Dune Messiah, but I'm here waiting for it. :)
@@vinnycordeiroPaul says that he has seen her forgiving him, which makes me wonder just how Villeneuve would plot that out. If she does forgive him, what causes her change of heart?
It’ll be really interesting to see.
@@wackyvorlon I have a hunch, but I'll keep it quiet. Anyone who read the books may infer that though.
Yeah… Chani is much better in the movie than she is in the books!
And i love the Dune as a book… But like many scifi writers, Herbert was greator of the ideas… not very good character writer.
Spoilers: Chani will be the one to hatch a fremen plot against Paul in messiah
It doesn't make any sense physics wise BUT the scenes on the Harkonnen Home-Planet GIEDI PRIME were shot with the concept that their "Black Sun" doesn't reveal colour but swallows it instead. All those scenes were shot in INFRARED instead of the human colour spectrum that's why it looks so alien.
I LOVE IT! 🤍🖤
23:20 Paul is having a nightmare about Chani being burned by an atomic blast.
The Imperium has VERY STRICT rules about the use of atomic weapons. The Great Convention states "The use of atomics against humans will be cause for planetary obliteration."
The primary use case would be when one house attacks another. It could also be used when one faction on a planet uses atomics against another faction.
In the case of Arrakis, there are special considerations. No one wants spice destroyed. So in lieu of planetary obliteration, it would likely be obliteration of Fremen sietches.
And Paul gets around it with a technicality: he used the weapons on the shield wall, not on people.
The Imperium is not thrilled with his logic, but by that point there isn’t much they can do anymore.
It's following the letter of the law, but not the spirit. Atomic weapons are not supposed to be used at all. But the law only states they may not be used against humans.
@@wackyvorlon They couldn't do anything to the Fremen, with all their Imperial eggs in one basket--spice only on Arrakis. Whoever controls spice controls the galaxy. Paul controlled spice = Emperor Muad'dib.
@@rikk319Which is probably why the script has him threaten the concentrated spice fields but not the water attack in the book where literally every last sandworm would die.
@@davidw.2791 that threat was only to the guild because only the guild, the fremen and paul and jessica know its part of the life cycle of the worm. no one else does
Regarding targeting the wall with nukes instead of enemy troops, everyone has house nukes in a multi-way mutual assure destruction arrangement with the understanding that if anyone attacks anyone else, everyone else will retaliate against them. So by only using the nukes against terrain he's skirting the rules on first use.
The scene where Paul enters the great hall and gets everyone to follow him is both awesome and chilling. These men and women have had their messiah, their god revealed to them, the greatest moment of their cultures existence. They are now lead by the one person in the Imperium who cannot be ordered by the Emperor, killed by the Harkonnens, or (most importantly in my opinion) controlled or subverted by the schemes of the Bene Gesserit.
Paul Muad'ib Atreides, Duke of Arrakis, Emperor, Lisan-Al-Gaib and Kwisach Haderach will burn the galaxy, and the Fremen will happily to it.
Both the suspensor belts used to float and the Holtzman shields attract the worms and drive them into a frenzy. That's why they don't use them in the desert.
I saw this in theater with my son. The riding of the worm, was an unforgettable experience. The whole theater was shaking! My seat was trying to throw me off, like riding a bucking bronco! incredible! I needed a seat belt! I reached for my son, fearing for his safety. He was screaming with delight! We both let go of our seats, stretched our arms and legs and WENT FOR A RIDE on the worm!
Make sure you watch the video of Denis Villeneuve breaking down how they did that scene. It’s like 90% practical. They built their own sand dune, and put three large pipes in it. Each pipe was attached to a truck. They had a stunt man run along the ridge of the dune, as the trucks pulled the pipes out collapsing the dune under him. Truly incredible.
I commented to friends that I felt like a giddy 8-year-old kid during that scene! It should have been cheesy, but it wasn't. The combination of effects, cinematography, acting, and music made a pure triumph, and it got me good!
what? i saw it imax i never got any shaking seat
@@moleman1976 It WAS cheesy in the 1984 Dune, like most of the film. They used practical effects too, which goes to show some of the practical-effect purists that it doesn't matter whether you use practical or CGI effects, as long as they are done well. Denis did both superbly in this film.
@@natmanprime4295 there are some ‘4D’ cinemas where the seating in the theatre is set up like amusement park film rides, where the seat moves with what is going on on screen. Apparently some 4D theatre growers feared for their necks or backs during Dune Part 2
The hooks for wormriding pull the worms "scales" or "plates" up, exposing its soft skin and breathing tubes, it irritates them and prevents them from going back under the sand.
Imagine it like you wearing a full scuba mask and you can go underwater... But someone takes your mask off when you surface and won't give it back until you swim a bit.
That's how it feels to the worms. They *could* go back under, but they instinctively know they would suffocate.
I havent read the books yet but a little detail I learned is that because of energy shields guns became useless. And if they use laser guns and makes contact with a shield it kills both the one with the shield and the shooter with a nuclear explosion.
I think this is a big part of why they take down the shielded ornithopter before firing lasguns at the harvester. With the scale of the reaction, even a very small chance of hitting a shield would be unacceptable.
@@wackyvorlon It was an interesting idea, the laser/shield nuke stuff, when I read the books, but it didn't make sense considering the fanaticism of the Fremen. Later in the first book it tells of Fremen women throwing their babies at the Saudakar to distract them while their husbands kill their enemies...absolute religious extremism. Now in the present day any religious fundamentalist leader in the Middle East would love to get their hands on a nuclear device. I'm supposed to believe the Fremen wouldn't sacrifice chosen warriors to use a lasgun against Harkonnen/Imperial shielded units or bases? It's like a suicide vest x 1 million.
it doesn't definitely kill them its simply a possiblity so no one takes the chance. and it is weird in that it could kill the person whose shield is shot or kill the person doing the shooting or both or somewhere away from both so its never used as a tactic in battle
Sometimes. About half of the times when lasers hit shields, they do absolutely nothing. Sometimes they cause only small explosion. Sometimes they explode with more force than any nuclear weapons. Sometimes only the shield emitter explodes, sometimes only the laser gun, and sometimes both. There is no way to predict the outcome of pseudo-atomics, apart from Paul's genetic and spice induced prescience.
The editing choices for this one (as far as what scenes and moments to leave out) are truly insane
so the main things to note that i felt this movie doesn't explain all that well:
water is poisonous to sand worms, which is what we see when the fremen drowns the baby worm. When a worm is mixed with water, it makes the water of life, which is basically like concentrated spice and is what allows you to expand your mind enough to be able to use prescience, but is deadly to anyone who hasn't been trained to survive poisons.
the spacing guild is a powerful faction of people who have genetically modified themselves to be able to use spice to pilot FTL ships. They consume a ton of spice and that allows them to access a limited form of prescience to be able to fold space and allow ships to travel between stars. Originally this was possible with AI, but after the butlerian jihad all AI were outlawed. So the spacing guild have a complete monopoly on space travel, and require spice to do this. Which is why Paul threatening to destroy the spice fields works, because the space guild would never allow anyone to threaten Paul and therefore lose their monopoly.
this next part is not in the movie at all, and so could be considered a spoiler for the next movie(s). But it is explained in the first Dune book. Read at your own risk.
spice is created as a result of baby sandworms, so if the worms all die, there will be no spice. Reintroducing water to Arrakis will kill all the worms and therefore destroy all possible production of spice. So making Arrakis green and habitable means the worms will die which will destroy the only known source of spice and permanently stop the galaxy from using FTL travel. The empire has had the ability to make arrakis green forever, they just never will because they know spice is related to the worms. Obviously the fremen don't really care about this, they want the planet to be green and while they worship the worms they don't really care about spice all that much. In the books Paul threatens to flood the spice fields with water as opposed to using nukes, and the spacing guild then basically surrenders to him and supports his holy war against the other great houses.
Not permanently, right? Because couldn't people desperate for interstellar travel just reintroduce AI to do it? No one can stop them!
@@Christobanistan The tech for advanced AI hasn't been around for ten thousand years. No one knows how to make it. I mean, they don't even have computers equivalent to what we have today in the Dune universe. It would take centuries to rediscover the technology for AI.
The Fremen also don't realize that turning their planet green again would kill them all. They are completely addicted to spice, as it's in their food, water, and air. Terraforming Arrakis would kill worms-->no more spice-->spice withdrawal for all Fremen-->all Fremen die. There's no happy ending for the Fremen.
@@rikk319 Ah, that makes sense!
Although, they have plenty of technology that seems to be highly dependent on advanced computational technologies, such as that seeker drone that went after Paul, and space faring technologies.
So I seriously doubt it would take centuries to reconstitute neural networks. Two decades at the very most, I think. It's mainly a function of compute scale, at first, and they seem to have that in spades.
@@Christobanistan It's possible...the only problem would be a ten thousand year old cultural taboo with most of the population over reviving AI tech and robots, and needing to expect hostility over it.
@@rikk319Itms saying something that all that backstabbing treacherous fuckery going on, no one uses AI or robots.
this was the first movie in a very long time i felt completely immersed in the story with no thoughts of how people on the internet might respond to this movie. i love it. 🥰
Ever since seeing this in theatres ive been looking forward to your reaction to it. 6 theatre viewings later and im still hyped!!!!
Same hereee
No shields --- those draw the worms, driving them to a killing frenzy. Don't know if you saw the first movie, but that was mentioned there. To find out why a far-flung galactic empire used relatively primitive technology, you have to really delve into the lore of the books, which is very dense and layered. What Herbert called "The Butlerian Jihad" is of particular interest (why they stay well away from AI).
The worm stays above ground because its armor is folded up. The actual skin beneath is very sensitive, so if the worm were to dive it would cause a lot of pain
There's a massive difference to reading a book or series of books and adapting those books to film. I read the books back in the 80's and these 2 films are very close to the books but with some changes, much like there were changes to the Lord of the Rings Trilogy
Yes, the Water of Life is not worm piss. It's actually the bile of a dying (by drowning) immature sandworm.
So it's worm vomit.
Quick point about lasers and shields: in the Dune universe they cannot interact without causing atomic level explosions. So, the warfare tactic of 'slow blade penetrating the shields' emerges. It is similar with a lot of technology in Dune, like 'thinking machines' that are religiously banned due to the past history of warfare.
they can in fact interact without the atomic explosion its only a possibility not a nessesary outcome
There is absolutely NO WAY she cut lisans speech about bringing them green paradise, WHAT
She cut a LOT out of this ngl. I was expecting a 45-55min video. She even cut out Gurney's introduction and he just randomly shows up at the war council later. She didn't even show the scene walking back with him where Gurney asks if he's scared of going South because he loses control and Paul says "because I gain it". That scene is so badass
Yeah she cut sooo much out, none of the best parts that I actually wanted to see the reaction to were kept in. (stilgar mentionig a green paradise, feyd entering the arena, Lisan al ghaib speech, long live the fighters, lead them to paradise)
"Things are probably set in motion, and he is just not accepting his role."
SPOT ON. He sees multiple futures, but in doing so he is trapped by the very few ways in which things are not as bad as they could be (60 Billion dead vs every human dead)
They said in the first film that the shields are not used out in the desert because they attract sand worms due to vibrations.
Natalie, it's always amazes me how well you anticipate directions in plotlines and are seldom ever wrong. Beautiful Lady, lovely smile and sharp as a tack. Always a pleasure to watch a movie with you, thank you!
It's not really touched on or explained by the movies, but laser weapon + shield = nuclear type explosion. Hence the Harkkonnen soldier at the beginning saying "no shields". Also, the attack style on the spice harvesters. Physical penetration weapons work against the kill-copters, lasers don't (unless you want to kill everyone in the area and ruin all the stuff).
On the nuclear topic, yes, they targeted the walls behind the stronghold. Part of the agreement between all of the Great Houses (of which Atreides is one), is that they will never use nuclear weapons against each other's armies. Paul is being clever in a technical sense.
It’s worth noting that there’s a blast *at both ends* when a lasgun hits a shield. It’s suicide for both the gunman and the target.
@@wackyvorlon good call
I think the Harkonnen said “No shields” because it would attract more worms. Keynes mentioned in the first movie that shields drive the worms into a killing frenzy.
To me destroying the walls with nukes was to make an entrance for the shai-hulud, since the city was worm proof otherwise
@@iampotsataja Yes. Both
I actually watched both movies as a double feature at the cinema (already saw the first one, but the opportunity was too good) and there was a break between the movies to get some air, take a walk or - as in my case - go to toilet and buy a second round of snacks and cola. After a few minutes everybody was back in their seats, advertisments and trailers started to play, nobody paid attention to it and suddenly like 5 times as loud as all the ads the throatsinging thing of the intro started and everyone reacted like chatting students when the teacher suddenly calls their names like "WOW, ALRIGHT, YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION!"
"That is the wrong tactic to take" to the guy who sees all the correct dialogue options lol.
Personally amused by how Paul's answer in both part one and two to Jessica cautioning him is to just say "screw it, all in". First to sell Liet on his being Lisan al-Gaib. Then the whole council.
I don't blame you for messing up your outro. I felt like I couldn't think about anything else for about an hour after watching the movie for the first time. An absolute masterpiece and moving beyond words. Thanks for the reaction. I love your appreciation for Denis and all involved. I'm in awe of these films.
“ Come on bro, stick it in! “
….heheh😂 that’s what’s she said
I knew this comment would be here lol
@@godlessveteran2431 As written!
The amount of time I took looking for this comment. Thank you. 😅 I knew someone had to say it.
Seeing how quickly that both Stilgar and Lady Jessica conform to the prophecy is downright chilling. For Jessica, it’s things finally being set in proper motion after years of the Bene Gesserit planting the seeds where they had to be.
But Stilgar losing himself in the fanaticism of Paul becoming their Lisan Al Gaib is heartbreaking, because on the one hand, he’s finally seeing the hope that other Fremen were hopeful for, but at the cost of losing their identity to the greater purpose that the prophecy implies. Especially considering that Paul is the BEST option compared to Feyd? Doesn’t bode well for anyone, even Paul.
jessica is only conforming to the prophecy to survive and to ensure her son survives she doesn't care about the KH program.
the fremen losing their connection to their culture is necessary becauseits violent and downright dogmatic.
The worm stays above ground because of the hooks. The rider pulls the scales up, exposing the worms flesh beneath. Sand getting past the scales is very painful for the worm, so they keep the side with the rider above the sand so that it hurts less. This is also how the rider steers, and why after being ridden, the worms don't attack. They are exhausted.
So WTF do the worms eat? Sand?
the thing i didn't expect when open this movie is how sad it made me feel. when paul thinks he's taking control of his life, all he faces is choosing the lesser evil in a situation he's powerless to even when he's THE prophet.
This goes unexplained in the movies but the reason they fight with swords and not guns (lasguns) is because if a lasgun hits a shield it creates a nuclear-like explosion. This is why swords and shields are the preferred fighting gear. Also having a shield out in the sands would drive the sandworms into a killing frenzy.
And there's no way to predict where along a beam the explosion will occur. You could shoot a shield from miles away and the atomic explosion could happen 5 feet in front of you.
people keep saying this its not true its not that it WILL create a nuclear explosion it is that it MAY and there is no way of predicting where the explosion will ocure it can happen anywhere within range of the reaction
The worm rider hooks expose some tender worm flesh, preventing submergence and allowing for some steering.
The level of existential dread and sorrow I felt the rest of the night after this movie was something else. I haven't read the books but I was generally aware of the direction it was going but this movie really captured that feeling. As soon as Lady Jessica took the blue juice, the movie became so much more horrifying.
She stopped being Jessica after that...her own personality was just one in a sea of hundreds or thousands of other Reverend Mothers' personalities in her head.
@@rikk319 Yup, I've seen a lot of reactors not realise that with her or Paul. People's lived experiences help shape their personality, so when you suddenly have access to thousands of lived experiences, you are going to change
My most anticipated part of Paul's story is the moment when a student outperform their teachers and infuse all that lessons in Arrakis which makes him the real deal. What i found surprising is despite everyone call him the real deal, he doesn't want to just take that title the easy way, he wants to do the hardwork to prove to mostly himself (and others) that he earned it, and that also speaks to his long term thinking that by doing that, he'll be able to convince the skeptics in the Fremen to accept him as their own and gain an absolute loyalty from the whole Fremen. That's a quality trait of leadership
I'M READY TO RIDE THE WORM!!!
oh my..
That's how kids are calling it this days? 😂😂😂
Parking is the hardest part.
That's what SHE said!
No diddy
I love how the final fight between Paul and Feyd-Rautha calls back to the training with Gourney Halleck, where Paul learns that going for the quick kill could lead to the outcome shown in Part Two. These details are always amazing.
there are two reasons they didn't turn on their shields one it drives sandworms into a frenzy, and two and the big one if the beam from a lasgun hits an active shield there can be an atomic explosion
When worm riders stick the hooks, they raise the carapace exposing the flesh beneath. The coarse sand is abrasive to the flesh thus the worm wont roll over and submerge.
This is all clever sub-text that comes directly from the book.
In the post Star Wars, current super hero generation, it’s easy to forget how few people have actually seen true science fiction handled with respect for the genre and for the audience on the big screen. Thank goodness for directors like Villanueve who have actually read these works helming films like this with the clout to actually get them marketed as they should.
"clout" lmao
Hey Palpatine declaring the empire is about on par with lisan al galib. It's Disney star wars and JJ trek that murdered the genre and raped the corpse
18:23 And THAT is how you introduce a villain!!
Also, this scene is in black and white (at least the outdoor part) because the Harkonnen’s home planet has a black sun.
We appreciate you Natalie!!!! Thank you for giving us this experience with you!
What's crazy is that the Worm riding scene is all practical, they made a fake Worm top for the actor/stunt person to stand on then they pelted them with sand and a wind machine
Denis changed Chani A LOT, which i think helped a lot of people understand things more clearly, Paul is just a guy who is definitely special but, he is no messiah and is absolutely not the fremen leader they need. Chani made that aspect apparant in this film
Depends on where you end the series. Paul and his son are definitely the Messiahs, doesn't mean they're good people but they saved the human race.
An interesting thing about The Ordeal and the Water of Life is that, in the book, once the Reverend Mother changes its chemistry inside her body, catalyzing it into a non-lethal substance, the waiting Fremen gather a little bit of the changed Water from the Reverend Mother's mouth back into the original container of Water of Life (the container holds a lot more than the glass bottle shown in the film). The changed Water interacts with the original Water, catalyzing the whole batch, rendering it *all* non-lethal (in that container). The catalyzed Water of Life is then shared with the entire tribe at that particular seitch, where they then all have a fantastic, hallucinogenic-fueled ôrgý.