I can't imagine ever doing this but it is seriously interesting. Especially the part where it suggests you can save soda for dinner! Really did enjoy this.
For those wondering why so much trouble was spent when 'just draw on the paper directly' would do just as well, this is ART people! It's a process that's not practiced by many anymore. This used to be the only way to make pictures, photos, etc. I took a printmaking class in college and found it very interesting. Lots of fun and educational as well.
can't wait to try this and im glad i dont need to waste my cola! thank you,this will be a fun craft project to do. there are so many printmaking techniques, and people who say that it would be easier just drawn on paper don't realise the actual process is why people are into the variety of printmaking. the fun is in the process. if you have no clue what printmaking techniques are google that first before ridiculing someone trying to make it easier for those who want to learn
Mate, great demonstration of a crude but effective method of lithography. To the (why didn't you just draw it on the paper first?) negative and ignorant bellends giving you grief bellow, this is a method used to reproduce exactly the same image more than once, over and over, so that monks didn't have to hand write every page of the bible, or whatever other information that needed to be disseminated. This dude is simply showing you the basis of lithography, ie that oil and water don't mix. The vinegar etch is required to produce an anodised surface that is hydrophilic, and will shed the oily ink when dampened with water. Prior to lithography, printing was a much more labour intensive process (letterpress or relief) where the image and none image areas were differentiated physically, rather than chemically, and had to be either cut into wood, or cast in a lead alloy. Like many inventions, lithography was discovered by accident, by a gentleman, Alois Senefelder, and is in use today.
Writings were never lithographed. Lithography was invented in 1798 long after the invention of the printing press. And as a matter of fact this kind of edging is not a lithography because a proper lithography plate is engraved in stone... But it is a nice and creativ way of making art prints.
Some comments are by people who just do't get it..It's the process that makes it interesting especially if you know anything about lithographic printing. Good job...really enjoyed it..
Thanks for sharing. I can't believe all the trolls posting rude comments. Print making is an old form of art. It would be a better use of your time than being rude on people's videos. Sorry for all the jerks out there!
Kathy Myers printmaking is a very complex and elusive form of art. You can't just jump in and think you can understand it all in one tutorial. Start off first by learn something more easier to grasp. Say relief printing. Then move on to something like silkscreen. Once you figure that out you'll have a better idea of what printmaking is. Then it would be recommended to learn more about etchs and their relationship to stone/metal.. Lithography. It's like trying to play Mozart when you have just barely started playing piano.
Really, people? "I would have just drawn it on the paper" commenters need to get educated. Drawing it on the paper would then be a drawing and not a print. You want one drawing or many prints of the same drawing? Great tutorial jjewelart. Very helpful for real artists trying to make a go of it on a shoe string budget. And for those of you that don't have a press, I saw another video where this woman used a hand roller as a press for her print to show the difference between hand printing and using an etching press. I am going to try a heavy marble rolling pin to see if it will yield comparable results. I think the video was by Akua Printing.
you're method of showing what to do if one fails the first time.....is much appreciated as many tutorials assume .....all will go well on the day......and we all know how that goes.....murphy always carried erasors.
*WELL DONE!* I have no artistic ability nor will probably ever do this but your video was *very informative* for someone like me that enjoys just learning random stuff. Thanks!!
I agree I can believe all that but u not show how u got image????? Rest all after that we check I hope u reply which I think u never oh which in u used.........
@@khalidlatif3577 I'm not sure. You replied to my comment when I think you want to post a comment on the actual video so they will see it better. Good luck!
Let's see... vinegar? check. oil? check. sponges? check. Professional floor-model etching press? Hmmm... Not under the sink... Not in the pantry... Not hanging from the pot rack...
Very cool. I love how he showed how to use vinegar and oil to not destroy the foil. I see people using their hands all the time because they can't think of anything or they just crumple it up and throw it away.
This is cool. For some reason this reminded me of making copies for my elementary school teachers in the early 1970's. I think it was called a stencil and stencil press. I haven't thought of that in ages. Thanks for sharing your video! 🙂
Me too. so confused right now. This process is entirely new to me, and I have no idea what he used to draw with, and more importantly why the vinegar etched the places he drew in.
These commenters obviously have no idea what the art of printmaking is all about. I thought this was an awesome video. It makes me want to build a press and start printmaking again. Nice job!
Why are you annoyed? I liked the video, and it was useful. I am one of the many people who like printmaking, and would love to have a press of their own.
That worked well. For all the people that posted uninformed comments, this is just a quick sample to show the process. Etching plates are more expensive than just a sheet of tin foil. I have a BFA from KCAI. I think you can do litho on clay art boards and litho crayons with a similar sort of process. Let's see someone find a lithostone and the process to do that. (That's why I switched from printmaking to painting as my major.) I've seen rollers used to make flat sheets of ceramic clay that might be cost effective maybe, I've never tried to see the prices of those.
I'm extremely grateful for this excellent demonstration. Thank you. I tried the cola method with no luck, blamed myself for buying cheap cola rather than Coke. Never mind, vinegar is a much better option and I'm not tempted to drink it.
This is just brilliant, i ve done the heavy stone litho and it's just so cumbersome. My only problem with this is the press' how do one do DIY etching/litho press? Would the hydro bottle jack one provide enough pressure?
there are die cutting machines that can be used as pressed (because it's the same mechanism) and they sell for about $39 starting for a 4-5" wide pressure roller area. So you could make it easily; especially if it's something smaller than 6". I actually have one that covers anything smaller than 8.75" x 15" and it was only $125.
omg! i'd forgotten about those washers! i would stay with my dad and stepmom in the summer, when i was a kid (in the 70's) and she used one of those washers. i remember being fascinated by it. i got in trouble several times for trying to run all kinds of shit through it. i think your idea to try to use one for a press is awesome and now i want to try it! LOL
That is really clever! I never realized Vinegar was aggressive enough to get that deep an impression! Will have to try that! I wonder if a pasta machine would work to roll it through if we don't have a printing press?
great vid, great tutorial. Just like my printmaking class in college. The negatve comments below are very odd. The idea of printmaking is the ability to create a series of the same or similar images, using artist pigments and materials. What you get out of a printer is just a mixture of the 4 same colors (cyan magenta yellow and black). When you do printmaking you have an incredible world of colors (ie pigments, literally clumps of minerals and such) each with their own reflective properties, opacity, vibrancy, not to mention to chemistry of mixing them. Print out a van gogh and hold it up to the real painting, big difference. Same is true of even the most simple line drawings in black and white litho. You can't reproduce the real oil based, PERMANENT ink on the paper with a printer, nor can you ever get the incredible minute details no matter how fine you DPI is. Another fun bit about prints from a traditional process vs a printer, you can get small variations in the prints when done traditionally. These variations can actually give a certain life to each one. If printed from a printer, the only variation you'll get is unwanted, unless it's those cool color bars when one of the inks goes out, but thats just an abstraction of the point ;). But indeed, one does not need "talent" to do printmaking. Draw a bunch of squiggles, it'll look cool. Expirment. Have fun.
Mindblown :0 he trabajado la litografia tradicional con las piedras asi mismo con las planchas de zinc, pero me he quedado sin palabras. Gracias por el video, impresionate. Sublime.
brilliant! I didn't realise I could wash off the veg oil just with water, once the plate is wet. I'll be braver now.. and I really like your drawing, too.
@Mark V I'm not sure what he used, but you can use about a 1/8" plexi sheet. You don't need a press. A baren can work just as well or even a flat wooden spoon. You can use heavy printers paper, rice paper, just about any fiberous paper will do. It needs to be damp to grab the ink. In this case the plate is etched smooth and the drawn area is raised. The ink sticks to the raised area and rubs off the smooth. Cheese cloth is good for this in place of the sponge.
Probably not, because he is using oil based it. The process is making the place where you drew hydrophobic and the rest of the plate hydrophillac. Meaning that if you used water based paint like acrylic, it wouldn't print correctly.
Have you ever use etching plate for this method? Can you transfer image on the plate, then use vinegar (food sauce) to dump it in metal container tray???
Really interesting. What's the purpose of the litho crayon? Is it to leave an indented image on the foil or does it leave a useful residue. Can an empty biro work? Or similar tool? Bx
Awesome! Alphonse Poitevin would be thrilled. No idea cola was that acidic. I often use vinegar as a pickle in my jewellery making. Great video, thank you!
Someone suggested Pasta Machine! Probably worth a try: & I know of a Japanese Printmaker who makes etching plates, uses etching inks, but always does the actual print with a Burin --- this is a flat tool with a handle, more often used in lino-printing: I'm intrigued by this, as it seems more authentic....I saw this in a book entitled 'Printmakers Secrets' which I now seem to have been nudged into buying! I found the video, & (parts of!) the subsequent discussion a really helpful springboard! 🙏
Thankyou for posting an accessible form of engraving/ litho printmaking, I'm plannng to try this method very soon using my X cut (die cut machine) as the press. I just need to get some litho crayons first, although I was wondering if any oil based crayons would work, I guess oil pastels would be too soft but think I have some hard pastels somewhere that might be oily. I like experimenting anyway - so always worth a try.
Hmmm.🤷♀️ I'm just an old lady that stumbled on this, so if you will please forgive my very humble opinion...I've met a few like you. My stepfather ran a printing department for a hospital organization in Chicago. Printers are a fun bunch of guys! Creative and artistic. Science and math with beauty. Grew up highly respectful of the field. The guys like you don't get to keep their ring finger on their left hand for long. Not only the experience as a kid, I'm a retired rescue paramedic. The way your hands were on the press almost made my heart skip a beat waiting to hear a call for a "white male/ traumatic amputation" with my PTSD. I support your artistic skills, you're brilliant, BUT...SAFETY FIRST.
Thanks for sharing this! I'm always looking for more enviro friendly ways to make prints and this is a great process! I think it would also serve as a terrific introduction to lithography for my school students. Thank you 😊
Very interesting to see that whole process in action. I guess you now have a plate of your art which you can ink over and over again, making x amount of printings, kind of like wood block prints? I always love the look of prints. Thank you for sharing!
what are the limitations of this method? can it produce very fine lines, or just the bold lines from your example? Would erasing the pencil marks from the plate before the vinegar bath leave a residue? About how many prints could you make before the plate wears out?
I don't know how many prints you can make, but yes, it can produce very fine lines. You just have to use wax pencils of varying thicknesses. Lithography is quite versatile. If you can believe it, this was made using lithography (stone lithography... not this kitchen version): upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Gubernie_zachodnie_krolestwo_polskie_1902.jpg
I did all of the above when I tried it. The process looks very easy so it's a bit of a mystery why it didn't work. But I thank you for answering. I'll let you know what the problem is if and when it works for me.
I'm really sorry I genuinely had not heard of this craft until I noticed this so I am a complete novice. When & how did you do the drawing on the kitchen foil & what was used? if you could add these details it would be a huge help but thank you for showing something new
I love this video! But I have questions: 1) What was the backing plate you put the foil on before running it through the press? 2) Do you think a jeweller's rolling mill could be used as a lithographic press? (don't have one of those in my kitchen) 3) Was the paper treated in any way (i've been reading about damp paper... does it have to be damp?) 4) Anything special about the paper? 5) Why does the ink only stick to the etched area if everything is wet? 6) how much pressure on the press? Thanks
Great demo on using vinegar in home brew etching. Simple and to the point. Evidently not simple enough though as so many commenters clearly missed the point. Not sure what you did to attract such a vortex of stupidity - lucky you.
OK, NOT trying to be NEGATIVE... If, someone says.. But, never done this before! Wish you showed how you did the image and what was in the o called dirty water and why? Love this idea ty!!
Pretty cool. I took 2 years of print making in college but never thought of a Rube Goldberg method like this. It might have been better to enplane the purpose of an acid etch and oil resist etc. because lithography chemistry and methods are a bit hard to grasp at first. Way different from the huge and heavy litho stones I used to lug around the studio.
Will try it. Although cola smells better... i wonder - I hte tin foil as it is too soft and never perfectly smooth. Why noone uses aluminium plate - just normal aluminium plate from metal store? Should work too no?
This a very nice video. Yes, you could have drawn the image, but you were demonstrating how to produce an etching print. I'm going to try this. Thank you.
I think this is awesome. A couple of questions please. What is the support that you used to put your etched foil on before you print? I'm not opposed to the spoon idea at all but I'm wondering if a Sizzix Big Shot would work. Thanks for taking the time to share.
Interesting video, thank you. I believe that the gum arabic contained in cola is important in the inking up process later, although the chemistry eludes me at the moment!
So…but…say if a person just happened to have said gum arabic..maybe they could experiment and try it in the water? Would you guess? Or the ink? Do you think? I am going to try and print my gbabys art. Im plate away from gelli printing. But I am all about my kitchen! 😂 hope you see this! Will any old office supply ink work? If someone had such ink…will this ever stop? These incessant kitchen crafts? I just spent yesterday trying to make acrylic paint..for the gelli…I got guash. I need a good resin. Anyway toodles! Hope to hear from your geeky self! ❤️
Quick question. What type of ink to use? Can you use oil based block ink for wood cutting or water based like you would use on lino? Or is it something specific for etching?
GreenJeepAdventures It definitley has to be oil based, because the process depends on the mutual repulsion of water and oil. It has to be a tacky ink, so you can use oil paint, but let it sit out to dry a bit. Etching ink is best. This info is all from the book written by Emilion, the woman who came up with "kitchen litho"
Laurel Antur Thank you Laurel. I originally tried it with water based ink, and it would not work which is why I asked. I am tempted to make my own oil based ink with lamp black and linseed oil.
Wow, amazing!!! I used to do lithography, but not any more since I don't have stones and press. I think you should try offset printing plates instead of aluminium foil. It's thicker than foil and it could be easier to work on it. Me and my friends did a lot of dry points on that offset plates. I should try this "kitchen lithography" also. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thank you for response! Students loved your demo. I used Canola and Speedball oil based printing ink. Little 1 oz tube. Is it the oil or ink? Will easily switch to Veg oil and could order Dan Smith ink from Cali (the kind we use in Litho class). The ink rolled over all & around rather than just over Litho crayon. Did the 7 min vinegar soak too~hmmm... Thank you!
Emily Leversha I purchased the book from the woman who developed this process, and she uses different materials. I did it successfully with a sharpee. I think anything that won't dissolve when it is etching will work.
I'm amazed by the amount of people here who clearly missed the point with comments like, "Print at the store for 10 cents...Draw on paper..." will you do some online research and visit some galleries and get a clue before you make opinions devaluing the artistic process?
Very nice. I want to try this soon. I've watched several of these and like the use of white vinegar better. The foil idea is way less expensive than etching plates and definitely less annoying than those big litho stones!
Did you 'free-hand' the sketch? Any hints on how to do this with a stencil? I know how to do a line drawing with a grease - pencil (the wax protects the metal whether it is Cu or Al). Problem is wax or grease is only useful down to 1/16th inch... not really a fine line useful for artwork, IMO. It was a how-to kit for photo - etching and the exposure had to be timed, much like you did in the video.
Thank you so much for sharing! I followed the other TH-cam videos using Cola and never succeed.…Will try your method. Hope I can succeed for at least one time before I give up kitchen litho.--printmaking beginner.
I have successfully ectched the image into the aluminum foil. I have a few questions. I used a china marker in place of a litho pen (both are grease pencils, right?) I have not been successful printing the image. Did you use water soluble ink? I use Speedball Inks in the classroom (water soluble). Also, when rubbing the plate after inking the inked image rubs away as well. Please advise. Thank you!
Hi, I treid to do this, but the oddest thing happened.I substituted a few things: instead of litho crayon I used a china marker, instead of sunflower oil, I used coconut oil and instead of etching ink I used speedball oil miscible relif ink. So what happened was that after soaking it in vinegar and dampening it and then applying oil, the image just literally came off. I'm not sure if the grease pencil didn't work, but it came all off, and a little flakes too. The water was muddy. there was no ghost image at all. then I tried to coat it with relief ink, and the ink did NOT stick to the areas where the drawing was, in fact, I got an inverse of the drawing. The problem was when I wanted to remove the ink, because it was water miscible, it basically all came off. I know I need oil based etching ink that is not water miscible but how did I get the inverse of the image? Is the grease pencil a nono substitute for a lithography pencil?
I just think there are alot of parts missing for people who know nothing about what you are doing but it's a good video, comments help people to make more videos, thx
This is a fun project to introduce students to printmaking without using acid. Excellent video.
This is a 5 century old technology! although it's is great to see that people are still learning these technics to keep history alive!
I can't imagine ever doing this but it is seriously interesting. Especially the part where it suggests you can save soda for dinner! Really did enjoy this.
For those wondering why so much trouble was spent when 'just draw on the paper directly' would do just as well, this is ART people! It's a process that's not practiced by many anymore. This used to be the only way to make pictures, photos, etc. I took a printmaking class in college and found it very interesting. Lots of fun and educational as well.
can't wait to try this and im glad i dont need to waste my cola! thank you,this will be a fun craft project to do. there are so many printmaking techniques, and people who say that it would be easier just drawn on paper don't realise the actual process is why people are into the variety of printmaking. the fun is in the process. if you have no clue what printmaking techniques are google that first before ridiculing someone trying to make it easier for those who want to learn
Mate, great demonstration of a crude but effective method of lithography. To the (why didn't you just draw it on the paper first?) negative and ignorant bellends giving you grief bellow, this is a method used to reproduce exactly the same image more than once, over and over, so that monks didn't have to hand write every page of the bible, or whatever other information that needed to be disseminated. This dude is simply showing you the basis of lithography, ie that oil and water don't mix. The vinegar etch is required to produce an anodised surface that is hydrophilic, and will shed the oily ink when dampened with water. Prior to lithography, printing was a much more labour intensive process (letterpress or relief) where the image and none image areas were differentiated physically, rather than chemically, and had to be either cut into wood, or cast in a lead alloy. Like many inventions, lithography was discovered by accident, by a gentleman, Alois Senefelder, and is in use today.
Really excellent comment! Thank you🙏
What a great explanation. Thanks I didn’t realize the way lithographs works vs cut prints
Writings were never lithographed. Lithography was invented in 1798 long after the invention of the printing press. And as a matter of fact this kind of edging is not a lithography because a proper lithography plate is engraved in stone... But it is a nice and creativ way of making art prints.
Some comments are by people who just do't get it..It's the process that makes it interesting especially if you know anything about lithographic printing. Good job...really enjoyed it..
I took lithography in college and loved the chemistry. This is a great reminder and a good way to do it at home. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for sharing. I can't believe all the trolls posting rude comments. Print making is an old form of art. It would be a better use of your time than being rude on people's videos. Sorry for all the jerks out there!
Laura Stewart we aren't being rude just don't understand. I always ask questions when I don't understand something.
Kathy Myers printmaking is a very complex and elusive form of art. You can't just jump in and think you can understand it all in one tutorial. Start off first by learn something more easier to grasp. Say relief printing. Then move on to something like silkscreen. Once you figure that out you'll have a better idea of what printmaking is. Then it would be recommended to learn more about etchs and their relationship to stone/metal.. Lithography. It's like trying to play Mozart when you have just barely started playing piano.
Because he didn’t EXPLAIN anything, he just showed what he was doing, ..gave no reason for how or why.
Love seeing the old craft, but it makes me grateful for the photocopier.
The thought came to mind while watching: we're in far too big a hurry these days. Thank you so very much!
Really, people? "I would have just drawn it on the paper" commenters need to get educated. Drawing it on the paper would then be a drawing and not a print. You want one drawing or many prints of the same drawing? Great tutorial jjewelart. Very helpful for real artists trying to make a go of it on a shoe string budget. And for those of you that don't have a press, I saw another video where this woman used a hand roller as a press for her print to show the difference between hand printing and using an etching press. I am going to try a heavy marble rolling pin to see if it will yield comparable results. I think the video was by Akua Printing.
you're method of showing what to do if one fails the first time.....is much appreciated as many tutorials assume .....all will go well on the day......and we all know how that goes.....murphy always carried erasors.
*WELL DONE!* I have no artistic ability nor will probably ever do this but your video was *very informative* for someone like me that enjoys just learning random stuff. Thanks!!
I agree I can believe all that but u not show how u got image????? Rest all after that we check I hope u reply which I think u never oh which in u used.........
@@khalidlatif3577 I'm not sure. You replied to my comment when I think you want to post a comment on the actual video so they will see it better. Good luck!
@@adamemac sorry it's taken as u and ur reply I never mean it basically I sent that to real man who made this video sorry again
@@khalidlatif3577 No problem at all. I hope you get an answer to your question.
OMG! Why have I never seen this before?! Fantastic methodology! Thank you so very much for posting this.
How you applied the image, and with what ink before you started the rest would have helped.
Let's see... vinegar? check. oil? check. sponges? check. Professional floor-model etching press? Hmmm... Not under the sink... Not in the pantry... Not hanging from the pot rack...
Lol.. and you forgot one other "ingredient"... TALENT to make the the drawing!
LOL by the time this video started to the time it was over. I could of drew 200 of those dogs on a peace of paper............
Tibor Sallai
cant you just scan the image you draw and print it with a printer like a million times? what am i missing here?
Jörgen Börg
omg no soul
Maybe a pasta machine might work? If you have one... they're a lot cheaper than a printing press anyway ;)
Very cool. I love how he showed how to use vinegar and oil to not destroy the foil. I see people using their hands all the time because they can't think of anything or they just crumple it up and throw it away.
This is cool. For some reason this reminded me of making copies for my elementary school teachers in the early 1970's. I think it was called a stencil and stencil press. I haven't thought of that in ages. Thanks for sharing your video! 🙂
I wish to know how you made the drawing on the aluminum foil, please.
Me too. so confused right now. This process is entirely new to me, and I have no idea what he used to draw with, and more importantly why the vinegar etched the places he drew in.
@@eCitizen1 I think it was the lithography pencils he showed....I assume
I was so excited to see this being done in your kitchen with basics. Can't wait to try my own. Thanks!
Your Kitchen has an Etching Press ?
These commenters obviously have no idea what the art of printmaking is all about. I thought this was an awesome video. It makes me want to build a press and start printmaking again. Nice job!
malnatik9@Gmail.com Most of the video was him showing the etching process. That was the focus of the video.
Why are you annoyed? I liked the video, and it was useful. I am one of the many people who like printmaking, and would love to have a press of their own.
I fucking hated it. My inner self is crawling with anger. My little mind can't understand what magic this is....
How is there two dogs 😠
That worked well. For all the people that posted uninformed comments, this is just a quick sample to show the process. Etching plates are more expensive than just a sheet of tin foil. I have a BFA from KCAI. I think you can do litho on clay art boards and litho crayons with a similar sort of process. Let's see someone find a lithostone and the process to do that. (That's why I switched from printmaking to painting as my major.) I've seen rollers used to make flat sheets of ceramic clay that might be cost effective maybe, I've never tried to see the prices of those.
I'm extremely grateful for this excellent demonstration. Thank you. I tried the cola method with no luck, blamed myself for buying cheap cola rather than Coke. Never mind, vinegar is a much better option and I'm not tempted to drink it.
Nice demo and explanations. Glad you explained about the plate needing to be damp for inking.
This is just brilliant, i ve done the heavy stone litho and it's just so cumbersome. My only problem with this is the press' how do one do DIY etching/litho press? Would the hydro bottle jack one provide enough pressure?
LOL - How to etch using white vinegar, aluminium kitchen foil and oh yeh, a lithography press, because everyone has one of those lying around!
its an etching press....but yeah, I agree.
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there are die cutting machines that can be used as pressed (because it's the same mechanism) and they sell for about $39 starting for a 4-5" wide pressure roller area. So you could make it easily; especially if it's something smaller than 6". I actually have one that covers anything smaller than 8.75" x 15" and it was only $125.
omg! i'd forgotten about those washers! i would stay with my dad and stepmom in the summer, when i was a kid (in the 70's) and she used one of those washers. i remember being fascinated by it. i got in trouble several times for trying to run all kinds of shit through it. i think your idea to try to use one for a press is awesome and now i want to try it! LOL
Lol before watching the video I read your comment.....too funny! Thanks for the warning 🤣😂
I would be interested to know if there is a way of pulling the image without the lithography press. Can it be done by hand like a lino or woodcut?
Please see my reply above to Butterfly Hootenani 🙏
That is really clever! I never realized Vinegar was aggressive enough to get that deep an impression! Will have to try that! I wonder if a pasta machine would work to roll it through if we don't have a printing press?
That’s what I was thinking! I’m about to try!
Oh.. just realized this comments over 7 years old 🥴
Start as a "aluminum salad" and end as a noodle maker. So nice!
Hi from Argentina!
I have a much smaller pasta machine in my kitchen. Would it still do the job?
Siskin's Bits and Bobs Just use the cooking oil, foil, and pasta machine to make spaghetti and meat balls. Forget etching.
My question exactly. Seems like a pasta roller might work for small images. Much more likely to have one in the average kitchen. LOL
I have a litho my aunt made for me and I always wondered what the process was -- thanks for posting -- it was very interesting.
Can you substitute the litho crayon for another drawing tool?
great vid, great tutorial. Just like my printmaking class in college. The negatve comments below are very odd. The idea of printmaking is the ability to create a series of the same or similar images, using artist pigments and materials. What you get out of a printer is just a mixture of the 4 same colors (cyan magenta yellow and black). When you do printmaking you have an incredible world of colors (ie pigments, literally clumps of minerals and such) each with their own reflective properties, opacity, vibrancy, not to mention to chemistry of mixing them. Print out a van gogh and hold it up to the real painting, big difference. Same is true of even the most simple line drawings in black and white litho. You can't reproduce the real oil based, PERMANENT ink on the paper with a printer, nor can you ever get the incredible minute details no matter how fine you DPI is. Another fun bit about prints from a traditional process vs a printer, you can get small variations in the prints when done traditionally. These variations can actually give a certain life to each one. If printed from a printer, the only variation you'll get is unwanted, unless it's those cool color bars when one of the inks goes out, but thats just an abstraction of the point ;). But indeed, one does not need "talent" to do printmaking. Draw a bunch of squiggles, it'll look cool. Expirment. Have fun.
this comment is actually insightful.. i missed the whole point of lithography.
+Matt Seremet
Indeed.
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what other metals do you think would work with this? Im trying to etch but I don't want to use those harsh chemicals or a battery lol :P
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Mindblown :0 he trabajado la litografia tradicional con las piedras asi mismo con las planchas de zinc, pero me he quedado sin palabras. Gracias por el video, impresionate. Sublime.
brilliant! I didn't realise I could wash off the veg oil just with water, once the plate is wet. I'll be braver now..
and I really like your drawing, too.
Yet you can't spell such a common word. Realize
@Mark V I'm not sure what he used, but you can use about a 1/8" plexi sheet. You don't need a press. A baren can work just as well or even a flat wooden spoon. You can use heavy printers paper, rice paper, just about any fiberous paper will do. It needs to be damp to grab the ink. In this case the plate is etched smooth and the drawn area is raised. The ink sticks to the raised area and rubs off the smooth. Cheese cloth is good for this in place of the sponge.
Awesome, thanks for sharing. Can acrylic paints be used? It seems they're about the same consistency as the ink you used.
I was wondering that too but I think the damp plate would mess with the ink
Probably not, because he is using oil based it. The process is making the place where you drew hydrophobic and the rest of the plate hydrophillac. Meaning that if you used water based paint like acrylic, it wouldn't print correctly.
Ah I see. Thanks for explaining that.
Have you ever use etching plate for this method? Can you transfer image on the plate, then use vinegar (food sauce) to dump it in metal container tray???
Really interesting. What's the purpose of the litho crayon? Is it to leave an indented image on the foil or does it leave a useful residue. Can an empty biro work? Or similar tool? Bx
Lithography is when it´s made with a stone...however...was the paper completely dry?
I think it´s better if the paper is moist...
Awesome! Alphonse Poitevin would be thrilled. No idea cola was that acidic. I often use vinegar as a pickle in my jewellery making. Great video, thank you!
This looks like fun! I would have to use a kitchen rolling pin. If enough pressure was applied, I think it might work.
Someone suggested Pasta Machine! Probably worth a try: & I know of a Japanese Printmaker who makes etching plates, uses etching inks, but always does the actual print with a Burin --- this is a flat tool with a handle, more often used in lino-printing: I'm intrigued by this, as it seems more authentic....I saw this in a book entitled 'Printmakers Secrets' which I now seem to have been nudged into buying! I found the video, & (parts of!) the subsequent discussion a really helpful springboard! 🙏
Thankyou for posting an accessible form of engraving/ litho printmaking, I'm plannng to try this method very soon using my X cut (die cut machine) as the press. I just need to get some litho crayons first, although I was wondering if any oil based crayons would work, I guess oil pastels would be too soft but think I have some hard pastels somewhere that might be oily. I like experimenting anyway - so always worth a try.
I would also like to know how you would transfer it to maybe a glass bottle?
Hmmm.🤷♀️ I'm just an old lady that stumbled on this, so if you will please forgive my very humble opinion...I've met a few like you. My stepfather ran a printing department for a hospital organization in Chicago. Printers are a fun bunch of guys! Creative and artistic. Science and math with beauty. Grew up highly respectful of the field. The guys like you don't get to keep their ring finger on their left hand for long. Not only the experience as a kid, I'm a retired rescue paramedic. The way your hands were on the press almost made my heart skip a beat waiting to hear a call for a "white male/ traumatic amputation" with my PTSD. I support your artistic skills, you're brilliant, BUT...SAFETY FIRST.
Thanks for sharing this! I'm always looking for more enviro friendly ways to make prints and this is a great process! I think it would also serve as a terrific introduction to lithography for my school students. Thank you 😊
Very interesting to see that whole process in action. I guess you now have a plate of your art which you can ink over and over again, making x amount of printings, kind of like wood block prints? I always love the look of prints. Thank you for sharing!
what are the limitations of this method? can it produce very fine lines, or just the bold lines from your example? Would erasing the pencil marks from the plate before the vinegar bath leave a residue? About how many prints could you make before the plate wears out?
I don't know how many prints you can make, but yes, it can produce very fine lines. You just have to use wax pencils of varying thicknesses. Lithography is quite versatile. If you can believe it, this was made using lithography (stone lithography... not this kitchen version): upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Gubernie_zachodnie_krolestwo_polskie_1902.jpg
I did all of the above when I tried it. The process looks very easy so it's a bit of a mystery why it didn't work. But I thank you for answering. I'll let you know what the problem is if and when it works for me.
I'm really sorry I genuinely had not heard of this craft until I noticed this so I am a complete novice. When & how did you do the drawing on the kitchen foil & what was used? if you could add these details it would be a huge help but thank you for showing something new
Where did the image come from in the first place I must have missed that part duh!
George Barlow FWIW two years later, he drew it on the foil with a lithographic crayon that he mentioned among the supplies needed.
Yeah, actually showing how it's done matters less than the playing with a deck of cards while stuff happens part.
Me too x
Same thing he not mention and what type color he used? I agree w u he not reply u even???????
This technique is a great!. I've tried litho with stones and it's really heavy to deal with. I will definitely try this method. Thanks for share!
I love this video! But I have questions: 1) What was the backing plate you put the foil on before running it through the press? 2) Do you think a jeweller's rolling mill could be used as a lithographic press? (don't have one of those in my kitchen) 3) Was the paper treated in any way (i've been reading about damp paper... does it have to be damp?) 4) Anything special about the paper? 5) Why does the ink only stick to the etched area if everything is wet? 6) how much pressure on the press? Thanks
Could you use litho ink instead of etching ink?
Oh I love this. I cant wait to do it with my 3rd graders. We are trying every "safe" printmaking technique we can. Thanks!
Brilliant video. Thank you for sharing. This is something I will be trying.
Shame about some of the idiotic remarks left by viewers.
shame some idiots are taken in by this drivel...
Thank you for sharing this video. I believe the purpose was for demonstrating the method and technique.
Great demo on using vinegar in home brew etching. Simple and to the point. Evidently not simple enough though as so many commenters clearly missed the point. Not sure what you did to attract such a vortex of stupidity - lucky you.
great video, but you didn't show how you sketch the image on tin foil. with a pencil, a pad underneath? would like to know this... thanks
How many prints can you make from one finished piece of foil? And is there anything else we could use like a rolling pin perhaps? Just wondering...
very nice way to multiply your artwork. what type of pencil ...was it pozitive copy??
tnx ...
Great vid...how many times can you use the foil to print with?
OK, NOT trying to be NEGATIVE... If, someone says.. But, never done this before! Wish you showed how you did the image and what was in the o called dirty water and why? Love this idea ty!!
Pretty cool. I took 2 years of print making in college but never thought of a Rube Goldberg method like this. It might have been better to enplane the purpose of an acid etch and oil resist etc. because lithography chemistry and methods are a bit hard to grasp at first.
Way different from the huge and heavy litho stones I used to lug around the studio.
Interesting..But what type of pen/ink or tip did you draw the dog's head with? Thanks for the vid.
Can anyone tell me is he using a special pen? Or will any old marker or ball point do? Tia! This is fascinating!
What number(hardness/greasiness) litho crayons do you use for this process?
I don’t understand all the negative comments. Great video. I shall be trying out on copper shim
would this work on copper plate?
Will try it. Although cola smells better... i wonder - I hte tin foil as it is too soft and never perfectly smooth. Why noone uses aluminium plate - just normal aluminium plate from metal store? Should work too no?
Just a thought---would a kitchen rolling pin work?
This a very nice video. Yes, you could have drawn the image, but you were demonstrating how to produce an etching print. I'm going to try this. Thank you.
Thanks, good way to learn principles of lithography.
I think this is awesome. A couple of questions please. What is the support that you used to put your etched foil on before you print? I'm not opposed to the spoon idea at all but I'm wondering if a Sizzix Big Shot would work. Thanks for taking the time to share.
How did you put the image on the foil? You didn't show or explain what you used, or how you did that step. Thanks!
Interesting video, thank you. I believe that the gum arabic contained in cola is important in the inking up process later, although the chemistry eludes me at the moment!
So…but…say if a person just happened to have said gum arabic..maybe they could experiment and try it in the water? Would you guess? Or the ink? Do you think? I am going to try and print my gbabys art. Im plate away from gelli printing. But I am all about my kitchen! 😂 hope you see this! Will any old office supply ink work? If someone had such ink…will this ever stop? These incessant kitchen crafts? I just spent yesterday trying to make acrylic paint..for the gelli…I got guash. I need a good resin. Anyway toodles! Hope to hear from your geeky self! ❤️
FANTASTIC!! THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS WITH US!
A HUG FROM DENMARK
Quick question. What type of ink to use? Can you use oil based block ink for wood cutting or water based like you would use on lino? Or is it something specific for etching?
GreenJeepAdventures It definitley has to be oil based, because the process depends on the mutual repulsion of water and oil. It has to be a tacky ink, so you can use oil paint, but let it sit out to dry a bit. Etching ink is best.
This info is all from the book written by Emilion, the woman who came up with "kitchen litho"
Laurel Antur Thank you Laurel. I originally tried it with water based ink, and it would not work which is why I asked. I am tempted to make my own oil based ink with lamp black and linseed oil.
GreenJeepAdventures Cool! I am new to this, and was getting really really frustrated. But today it finally started to work!
Wow, amazing!!! I used to do lithography, but not any more since I don't have stones and press. I think you should try offset printing plates instead of aluminium foil.
It's thicker than foil and it could be easier to work on it. Me and my friends did a lot of dry points on that offset plates. I should try this "kitchen lithography" also. Thank you for sharing your experience.
will a cake roller work? Thumbs up for the effort.
Ohhhhh! That is so cool! Now, I have an alternative to ferric acid and copper plate. Yay!
Thank you for response! Students loved your demo. I used Canola and Speedball oil based printing ink. Little 1 oz tube. Is it the oil or ink? Will easily switch to Veg oil and could order Dan Smith ink from Cali (the kind we use in Litho class). The ink rolled over all & around rather than just over Litho crayon. Did the 7 min vinegar soak too~hmmm... Thank you!
Hi do you have to use litho crayons or is there an alternative? thanks
Emily Leversha I purchased the book from the woman who developed this process, and she uses different materials. I did it successfully with a sharpee. I think anything that won't dissolve when it is etching will work.
I'm amazed by the amount of people here who clearly missed the point with comments like, "Print at the store for 10 cents...Draw on paper..." will you do some online research and visit some galleries and get a clue before you make opinions devaluing the artistic process?
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Very nice. I want to try this soon. I've watched several of these and like the use of white vinegar better. The foil idea is way less expensive than etching plates and definitely less annoying than those big litho stones!
Did you 'free-hand' the sketch? Any hints on how to do this with a stencil? I know how to do a line drawing with a grease - pencil (the wax protects the metal whether it is Cu or Al). Problem is wax or grease is only useful down to 1/16th inch... not really a fine line useful for artwork, IMO. It was a how-to kit for photo - etching and the exposure had to be timed, much like you did in the video.
Very cool stuff! Say, do you think this would work on galvanized steel plates?
can it only etch tin foil?
Thank you so much for sharing! I followed the other TH-cam videos using Cola and never succeed.…Will try your method. Hope I can succeed for at least one time before I give up kitchen litho.--printmaking beginner.
Ink and printing aside, will the white vinegar method work to etch zinc?
I have successfully ectched the image into the aluminum foil. I have a few questions. I used a china marker in place of a litho pen (both are grease pencils, right?) I have not been successful printing the image. Did you use water soluble ink? I use Speedball Inks in the classroom (water soluble). Also, when rubbing the plate after inking the inked image rubs away as well. Please advise. Thank you!
From my experience the etching ink needs to be oil based. Water soluble doesn't work.
Hi there... great vid... Im new to this technique. Just wondering how many prints you can run of with the technique without having to repaint?
Hi, I treid to do this, but the oddest thing happened.I substituted a few things: instead of litho crayon I used a china marker, instead of sunflower oil, I used coconut oil and instead of etching ink I used speedball oil miscible relif ink. So what happened was that after soaking it in vinegar and dampening it and then applying oil, the image just literally came off. I'm not sure if the grease pencil didn't work, but it came all off, and a little flakes too. The water was muddy. there was no ghost image at all. then I tried to coat it with relief ink, and the ink did NOT stick to the areas where the drawing was, in fact, I got an inverse of the drawing. The problem was when I wanted to remove the ink, because it was water miscible, it basically all came off. I know I need oil based etching ink that is not water miscible but how did I get the inverse of the image? Is the grease pencil a nono substitute for a lithography pencil?
Cordial saludo ¿con qué material realizas el dibujo sobre el papel aluminio? Gracias y quedo atento a tus respuesta.
Very interesting! Demonstrating a few processes super clearly!
Can you use a pasta machine as your printing press for the etching?
I just think there are alot of parts missing for people who know nothing about what you are doing but it's a good video, comments help people to make more videos, thx
Great video. I would have liked to see more of the pint set-up as well.
How many prints can you make with a foil plate like this before it must be remade?