I think you are spot on with your assessment. I own two shadow two compacts, one that I had done up by CZ custom, which has a super light single, and double action trigger for competition, and the other that I kept bone stock, save for new grips. They are fantastic firearms.
Nice!! I just got one for myself, and worked on another, also doing a complete trigger job and installation of the CGW pro-kit. It gets as good as the full size ones :).
I shoot the shadow 2 full sized in competition in the carry optics division. The difference between them is pretty significant. The full sized gun is quite a bit heavier and by design has much more muzzle weight giving the gun a flatter profile, however, the aluminum frame on the compact allows the smaller sibling to transition laterally faster. One of my full sized shadow 2 has a Fire4Effect slide which has a significantly lighter slide and is probably a better comparison. I still grab my longer gun for competitions but I am going to run the S2c in IDPA this winter. I have been carrying my stock S2c and therefore shooting it at the range a ton (I probably have 2000 rounds through it so far) and it has run flawlessly. It is way more accurate and Han I am at all distances (printing .5” groups at 10 yards) Ergonomics are damn near identical save for the fact that I put vytal grips on the compacts and Lok grips on the full sized guns and the vytal grips have palm swells making them a bit more full (I have small ish hands) All controls are exactly where you’d want them and I find the mag release easy to manipulate as well as the slide release which my recent tactical training has changed me to a faster support side thumb user. Racking the slide either from the top or the rear are easy as the serrations are deep enough to use but not sharp enough to cut up your belly when carrying.
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I really wish CZ had put the same safety on the compact. I've been waiting for one for a long time now. Everyone is sold out of the left side for right-handed shooters. If anyone knows where I can get one, even a used one from a full size S2 let me know.
make sure to add your email to the waitlist at the CZ-USA website for the part. You will be notified when they have it back in stock, that's how I got the ones for other guns.
I can check on that - But I don't think this would make a lot of sense, given that at that point you have basically the same gun as a full size shadow2 anyway. If your goal is to have a compensated shadow2 without the extra length of a compensator, you could simply port the slide and get some popple holes on the barrel... It's just a 9mm after all, so that will give more than enough compensation, and likely run more reliably too.
Im never gonna carry the compact so i should have got a full size shadow 2 but i got the compact. I really hate the flat safety and cant find the extended safety anywhere. Also the trigger reach in DA is too long for me. Other than that i love it.
Yes, like a billion times :). If you still on the original screws often times they come with excessive loctite which require some caution when removing not to scrip the screws. The first thing is to ensure you're using the right tool for the job - the OEM screws are torx T20 size. So a T20 torx is your tool here. After that if you have that situation with excessive loctite, what you can do is apply some heat before trying to remove the screws - With caution here! You don't need too much heat here - A little torch or lighter for a 3 or 4 seconds should do it.
I would think it's an overkill, but would it work? It sure would :). It will be a sad shadow2 collecting dust on your nightstand as opposed to shooting targets/steel in a practical shooting competition though And yes, the DWX is awesome! I haven't worked on one yet, but heard nothing but great things about it - so congratulations on getting yours!
I’d suggest you have one of you beat guns where you need it most. I have my retired competition Sig (I am using my CZ Fire4Effect S2 in Carry Optics now). If you ever need to pull it you want to have the gun you shoot best. For the same reason I think people that only carry cheaper guns for fear of losing them to the law if they need to use one aren’t thinking through the only reason you’d ever need to use one. The full sized S2 is a great home defense gun as long as you can add a light to it.
@@czarmorer Thank you for the reply! This was my thought, but i wasn't sure if the grip safety on the 1911 made something internally "safer" by design.
If you're talking about the original grips scales (the skeletonized one) I think they are no longer being made even for the full size, or even the Tanfo. So if you really want that for your shadow2 compact, you might need to get a used one from somebody and fit it to the S2 Compact (it's possible).
Awesome video, what are your thoughts on safety for carry on the shadow 2 compact? A lot of people are worried that it doesnt have a firing pin block. What are your thoughts on that?
I'm glad you asked! This is actually something I had initially addressed on the video, but decided to cut it out when editing because the way I was saying was sounding much like I was backing up CZ as a manufacturer too much and that wasn't my intent - I'm [not] associated in any way shape or form with CZ-USA or CZ as a brand. Short answer: If you keep it stock, I wouldn't worry about it, and I would definitely have a S2C as my EDC. As a matter of fact, it is what I'm planning to do when I get mine. Longer answer: I actually did test this by hitting the heck out of a shadow2 hammer, when fully decocked, and checking for primer contact - I can tell you that with the original firing pin and spring, I wasn't able to make the firing pin contact the primer, even with my hardest hit, which I can assure you it had a lot more kinetic energy than it can be produced with a shadow2 falling down from your hands (regardless of how tall you are :)). So as long as you're not swapping the original firing pin and spring by an extended one with a weaker spring, I don't see the issue with the absent FP block.
@czarmorer awesome! I'm glad to hear this, I just purchased a shadow 2 compact, it's a very nice gun. I will be carrying it often in its stock configuration.
I carry mine every day decocked. Unfortunately the safety is so low profile that you can’t get a consistent sweep if you wanted to cart it cocked and locked.
@@charitybullI got an extended safety on mine for that exact reason. I wanted it to be as close as possible from the grip I have when competing with the full size one.
Can you please cover to how to increase the safety detent strength on the Shadow 2 compact? I’ve changed then spring to a heavier spring but it still feels light. I’d like to have it as strong and positive as a 1911 safety. I’ve read that CGW proposes increasing the notch depth on the safety and/or making the angle on the plunger more acute
Right, those are the mods I would suggest in order to achieve what you're looking for. I was able to use a much stronger spring on the detent and that was enough to give me a very positive safety engagement, but if the spring itself doesn't make the trick then the steps you have listed should help - Another thing to consider is using an adjustable sear and adjust the set screw down in a way that it makes more contact/pressure on the safety - however that will wear over time and your safety engagement will losen up (unless you keep replacing the set screw as it wears down).
I have the stronger sping from Cajun and it feels better. Not amazing but pretty close. Cajun has a right side detent made of better steel I think, maybe that would help also.
Disagree with using the Full size holster with the compact. That is a train wreck looking to happen The ones you show kid of fit but not good enough to use in the real world . I have a leather custom made by Craft that fits the compact perfect, I also have Craft holsters for my Shadow 2 SAO and My Shadow 1 Custom
I would say that whole area, including the barrel, recoil spring and guide rod are of different dimensions enough not to be interchangeable. Something else I can think of is the grip panels (same reason, they are different dimensions), and magazines (you can use the full size ones on the compact but not the vice-versa). Everything else seems to be exact the same.
I agree I wouldn't chance internals for CCW. Except. The trigger. I put CGW straight trigger. I did it both: on competition Shadow 2 and Compact. Shorter reach and better feel on triggers. I have medium size fingers and this only modification on Compact works well for me. Remember your gun/rifle should fit YOU! Other opinions don't matter.
@@Opinion123-no-walls They are meant to different activities, and they are fantastic guns in each of their worlds. The full size in competition, and the compact as an EDC. I love both, but I wouldn't carry the full size, and wouldn't compete (in USPSA/IPSC at least) with the compact.
it depends. For carrying, my personal preference is for something light weight, so aluminum or polymer would be my preference. To compete though, I would go with steel all day long. Can one carry a full size Shadow 2? They can... would they though? I don't see it as a really adequate carry gun.
Great info! I did not know that. Well, shorter mags is kind of impossible given the OEM mags have polymer base and sit flush with the bottom of the grips :(. Shorter sights can be a solution, but how much shorter?Thank you for informing us about it!
Unless you want it also for carrying and/or IPDA, I would stick to a full size Shadow2 for Production, or even a Shadow1. I have not shot the compact yet, but I suspect I would prefer a full size gun to compete with. By the way, the burnt bronze one on the video is my Production gun - I may go back to play in Production too when they raise the capacity restriction :).
Nice man! If only 98% guntubers were this informative 💪🏻
Thank you my friend!
💯 agree with carry guns mods. No need to mess with any internals period.
I think you are spot on with your assessment. I own two shadow two compacts, one that I had done up by CZ custom, which has a super light single, and double action trigger for competition, and the other that I kept bone stock, save for new grips. They are fantastic firearms.
Nice!! I just got one for myself, and worked on another, also doing a complete trigger job and installation of the CGW pro-kit. It gets as good as the full size ones :).
Have u been able to shoot the full size shadow 2 to compare how they feel?
Have u been able to shoot the full size shadow 2 to compare how they feel?
I shoot the shadow 2 full sized in competition in the carry optics division. The difference between them is pretty significant. The full sized gun is quite a bit heavier and by design has much more muzzle weight giving the gun a flatter profile, however, the aluminum frame on the compact allows the smaller sibling to transition laterally faster.
One of my full sized shadow 2 has a Fire4Effect slide which has a significantly lighter slide and is probably a better comparison. I still grab my longer gun for competitions but I am going to run the S2c in IDPA this winter.
I have been carrying my stock S2c and therefore shooting it at the range a ton (I probably have 2000 rounds through it so far) and it has run flawlessly. It is way more accurate and Han I am at all distances (printing .5” groups at 10 yards)
Ergonomics are damn near identical save for the fact that I put vytal grips on the compacts and Lok grips on the full sized guns and the vytal grips have palm swells making them a bit more full (I have small ish hands)
All controls are exactly where you’d want them and I find the mag release easy to manipulate as well as the slide release which my recent tactical training has changed me to a faster support side thumb user.
Racking the slide either from the top or the rear are easy as the serrations are deep enough to use but not sharp enough to cut up your belly when carrying.
I really wish CZ had put the same safety on the compact. I've been waiting for one for a long time now. Everyone is sold out of the left side for right-handed shooters. If anyone knows where I can get one, even a used one from a full size S2 let me know.
make sure to add your email to the waitlist at the CZ-USA website for the part. You will be notified when they have it back in stock, that's how I got the ones for other guns.
Would the compact slide work with a full size frame? Run a threaded barrel and comp like a Staccato XC wannabe.
I can check on that - But I don't think this would make a lot of sense, given that at that point you have basically the same gun as a full size shadow2 anyway. If your goal is to have a compensated shadow2 without the extra length of a compensator, you could simply port the slide and get some popple holes on the barrel...
It's just a 9mm after all, so that will give more than enough compensation, and likely run more reliably too.
My shadow 2 came with the extra extended safety. Will it work on the shadow 2 compact?
Yes, it will.
Im never gonna carry the compact so i should have got a full size shadow 2 but i got the compact. I really hate the flat safety and cant find the extended safety anywhere. Also the trigger reach in DA is too long for me. Other than that i love it.
Have you ever had to take the grip/mag screws off. If so can you tell me how you did it without stripping the screws. Thanks.
Yes, like a billion times :). If you still on the original screws often times they come with excessive loctite which require some caution when removing not to scrip the screws.
The first thing is to ensure you're using the right tool for the job - the OEM screws are torx T20 size. So a T20 torx is your tool here.
After that if you have that situation with excessive loctite, what you can do is apply some heat before trying to remove the screws - With caution here! You don't need too much heat here - A little torch or lighter for a 3 or 4 seconds should do it.
Would you recommend full size Shadow 2 as nightstand/home defense gun?
Just got DWX full size and it feels great.
I would think it's an overkill, but would it work? It sure would :). It will be a sad shadow2 collecting dust on your nightstand as opposed to shooting targets/steel in a practical shooting competition though
And yes, the DWX is awesome! I haven't worked on one yet, but heard nothing but great things about it - so congratulations on getting yours!
I’d suggest you have one of you beat guns where you need it most. I have my retired competition Sig (I am using my CZ Fire4Effect S2 in Carry Optics now).
If you ever need to pull it you want to have the gun you shoot best. For the same reason I think people that only carry cheaper guns for fear of losing them to the law if they need to use one aren’t thinking through the only reason you’d ever need to use one.
The full sized S2 is a great home defense gun as long as you can add a light to it.
Id really like to carry this cocked n locked with the extended safety. Would you consider this gun safe to do so? Currently going with half cock.
As safe as a model 70 1911 would be :). If you're confident and comfortable doing so, I don't see the problem.
@@czarmorer Thank you for the reply! This was my thought, but i wasn't sure if the grip safety on the 1911 made something internally "safer" by design.
@tyjeripson4669 the grip safety on a 1911 blocks the trigger bow from moving back, so no influence in the firing pin or hammer areas
Barrel bushing and guide rod fall into one of the things not to do if you wanna carry?
I wouldn't see the need of changing those on my EDC, but at the same time I don't see much risk of reliability and/or safety in doing so.
I think that is ridiculous that the Shadow 2 compact doesn't have a decocker
Is there aftermarket scales being made for the shadow 2 compact now, and if so who makes them?
If you're talking about the original grips scales (the skeletonized one) I think they are no longer being made even for the full size, or even the Tanfo. So if you really want that for your shadow2 compact, you might need to get a used one from somebody and fit it to the S2 Compact (it's possible).
Lok is making grips
@@take1one They are, but they done have skeletonized model like the "scales" he is referring to.
Excellent !!! Where is your shop ?
DFW area in Texas
Awesome video, what are your thoughts on safety for carry on the shadow 2 compact? A lot of people are worried that it doesnt have a firing pin block. What are your thoughts on that?
I'm glad you asked! This is actually something I had initially addressed on the video, but decided to cut it out when editing because the way I was saying was sounding much like I was backing up CZ as a manufacturer too much and that wasn't my intent - I'm [not] associated in any way shape or form with CZ-USA or CZ as a brand.
Short answer:
If you keep it stock, I wouldn't worry about it, and I would definitely have a S2C as my EDC. As a matter of fact, it is what I'm planning to do when I get mine.
Longer answer:
I actually did test this by hitting the heck out of a shadow2 hammer, when fully decocked, and checking for primer contact - I can tell you that with the original firing pin and spring, I wasn't able to make the firing pin contact the primer, even with my hardest hit, which I can assure you it had a lot more kinetic energy than it can be produced with a shadow2 falling down from your hands (regardless of how tall you are :)).
So as long as you're not swapping the original firing pin and spring by an extended one with a weaker spring, I don't see the issue with the absent FP block.
@czarmorer awesome! I'm glad to hear this, I just purchased a shadow 2 compact, it's a very nice gun. I will be carrying it often in its stock configuration.
@@czarmorerquestion when insertiong a fully loaded magazine on an open slide lock does the cartridge make contact with ejector
I carry mine every day decocked. Unfortunately the safety is so low profile that you can’t get a consistent sweep if you wanted to cart it cocked and locked.
@@charitybullI got an extended safety on mine for that exact reason. I wanted it to be as close as possible from the grip I have when competing with the full size one.
Great ! What’s the color frame on the full size please ?
burnt bronze (cerakote)
@@czarmorerthank you, Great color and great guns !
I think that this is a really expensive replacement for the P01.
Maybe :)
It is so much more than the P01. I own both. The P01 is a great gun but not aluminum and not Optics ready. The S2c feels very different to shoot
Can you please cover to how to increase the safety detent strength on the Shadow 2 compact? I’ve changed then spring to a heavier spring but it still feels light. I’d like to have it as strong and positive as a 1911 safety. I’ve read that CGW proposes increasing the notch depth on the safety and/or making the angle on the plunger more acute
Right, those are the mods I would suggest in order to achieve what you're looking for. I was able to use a much stronger spring on the detent and that was enough to give me a very positive safety engagement, but if the spring itself doesn't make the trick then the steps you have listed should help - Another thing to consider is using an adjustable sear and adjust the set screw down in a way that it makes more contact/pressure on the safety - however that will wear over time and your safety engagement will losen up (unless you keep replacing the set screw as it wears down).
@@czarmorer the spring I got was from DSPerman. What spring did you get? Maybe a stronger spring will do it. Thank you!
@@Rothbardy that's the one I have too. I don't know if there is any other stronger than that.
I have the stronger sping from Cajun and it feels better. Not amazing but pretty close. Cajun has a right side detent made of better steel I think, maybe that would help also.
Disagree with using the Full size holster with the compact. That is a train wreck looking to happen The ones you show kid of fit but not good enough to use in the real world . I have a leather custom made by Craft that fits the compact perfect, I also have Craft holsters for my Shadow 2 SAO and My Shadow 1 Custom
Thank you for sharing.
I love my S2C 🔥🇺🇸🥃
So the only part that is not interchangeable is the recoil spring? Everything else is interchangeable
I would say that whole area, including the barrel, recoil spring and guide rod are of different dimensions enough not to be interchangeable.
Something else I can think of is the grip panels (same reason, they are different dimensions), and magazines (you can use the full size ones on the compact but not the vice-versa).
Everything else seems to be exact the same.
I agree I wouldn't chance internals for CCW. Except. The trigger. I put CGW straight trigger. I did it both: on competition Shadow 2 and Compact. Shorter reach and better feel on triggers. I have medium size fingers and this only modification on Compact works well for me. Remember your gun/rifle should fit YOU! Other opinions don't matter.
I forgot to mention CZ Shadow 2 Compact is a great gun for CCW, but I still like my CZ P01 more then Compact. Try it for yourself.
Right on!
Which one do you like best though? The compact or the full size, feel wise?
Or do they both operate the same?
@@Opinion123-no-walls They are meant to different activities, and they are fantastic guns in each of their worlds. The full size in competition, and the compact as an EDC. I love both, but I wouldn't carry the full size, and wouldn't compete (in USPSA/IPSC at least) with the compact.
Aluminum or stell which is best? Also can full size cz shadow 2 can be a hand carry gun?
it depends. For carrying, my personal preference is for something light weight, so aluminum or polymer would be my preference. To compete though, I would go with steel all day long.
Can one carry a full size Shadow 2? They can... would they though? I don't see it as a really adequate carry gun.
qq What’s that little plastic pencil like you used to remove slide ? looking for something like that Thx in advance
it's literally an old polymer pick that snapped the ends and I've repurposed to use as a soft pin punch 😀
Can I use a kadet 22 upper of the shadow 2 in the compact?
I don't know the answer to this question :(.
@@czarmorer ok, thanks!!
S2C does not fit the IDPA CCP box. It needs shorter sights or shorter mags to fit.
Great info! I did not know that. Well, shorter mags is kind of impossible given the OEM mags have polymer base and sit flush with the bottom of the grips :(. Shorter sights can be a solution, but how much shorter?Thank you for informing us about it!
Hmmm, production is upping their capacity to 15 rounds… should I??? 😊
Unless you want it also for carrying and/or IPDA, I would stick to a full size Shadow2 for Production, or even a Shadow1. I have not shot the compact yet, but I suspect I would prefer a full size gun to compete with.
By the way, the burnt bronze one on the video is my Production gun - I may go back to play in Production too when they raise the capacity restriction :).