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Josh, your videos are a cut above the rest. You’re the only one I found that focuses on the small user experience positives/annoyances. Not just graphs and charts alone. Keep it up.
Others have their work cut out for them. Your videos and information are off the charts. There's not a single boring part of anything in your video. Pure hard work and dedication and brilliance. Sheer brilliance.
The surface temperature difference is quite interesting. As you said, it could be due to the silicon lottery, which of course is exacerbated by the fact that the 10 core model is already chosen as inferior to the 12 core. My other thought, which could be completely wrong, is maybe the performance tasks being spread across eight performance cores in the 12 core, versus six performance cores in the 10 core, result in a lower requisite load and thus a lower temperature. Even if you aren't maxing the usage of the cores, the fact that you are getting closer to doing so on the 10 core variant might result in the higher surface temps. Anyway, just a thought :)
@@JustJoshTech Thanks man. I'm a huge fan of your videos, and that video topic sounds outstanding. I think it would be very helpful in aiding someone who is trying to choose the most sensible components for his or her machine. I know it would certainly help me. Have a great night.
Wrong! There are 8 performance cores in the 10-core variant and 8 performance cores in the 12-core variant. Two additional efficiency cores will probably not provide more temperature. That's not logical.
Your reviews are different and add so much more value for us buyers. You provide insights not available on other channels which helps us to make better decisions. Thank you.
Glad you mentioned the sharp edge on the edge where your wrist or arm would rest. This is a real usability issue. I’m amazed they haven’t addressed it.
I can also see the case for the 12 core if someone plans on keeping their laptop for a very long time. Those extra cores might make a difference 3 or 4 years down the line if apps become better optimized to fully utilize them
Thanks Josh, great video as always. It's unfortunate that the 14 inch thermals aren't really suitable for the M2 Max, I love the idea of that form factor with so much power. I think for that reason the 16 inch is probably the way to go for me
If someone only needs to do "light tasks office work, responding to emails and browsing the web", a macbook air 13 with m1 chip is enough for him. 10-core and 12-core are both for professionals, even in the base version. I make advanced video editing with 14" base macbook pro m2 (4k, 6k, raw video, 10 bit, 14 bit, neat video, filmconvert, motionvfx...) and it's super performing, responsive, without ever a hesitation (and faster in rendering than m1 pro). A truly beast.
I have a 2019 macbook pro 16". Great laptop, and i recently looked into an upgrade. It's around 2.5 to 3.5k! I also didn't realize you can't upgrade the ssd or ram 😢 My macbook pro was my first apple product. They are great laptops, but damn.. you have to be rich to get an upgrade, lol. Not to mention Apple care just in case the memory and / or ssd decides to die, lol. Might have to go back to Windows, unfortunately. I don't know how people afford Apple products. just nuts
Similar Windows laptop is $1500+ (if one even existed - anything as fast gets red hot and loud). The Asus ROG 14" for example is not just sitting doing almost nothing at best buy. I much prefer Windows but jeepers it's hard to find what I want.
Interesting considerations. However, I want to make some clarifications, useful for those who have to buy. I'm a professional video editor, with Final Cut Pro (mainly) and Da Vinci Resolve: RAW video, 4k, 6k, 10 bit, 14 bit video... It may be that Premiere (which you use) is not optimized for the new chip, but as for the other two software, I can guarantee that even with the BASE model (10-core, 512 GB SSD), you run smooth, fresh and very fast! I bought the base m2 pro model and tested it intensively for 2 weeks, then decided whether to keep it or return it. I had no reason to return it and spend more.
It could also be that the bigger model has a better cooler. For instance max is 100g heavier than pro, somebody said because of the cooler. Please check the weight of the 2 machines 😊
Too bad they've changed the design of all MacBooks with that sharp raised bottom edge. The old wedge shaped MacBook Air had the best design in terms of ergonomics.
It's called 'binning'. Chips with one or two dead cores can be sold as lower core count chips. There has always been 'speed binning' in microchip manufacture. Now it's done in core count.
Are heatsinks, fans, etc exactly the same regardless of processor? Measuring wattage going into the power supply via a wattmeter would shed some light too. I surmise CPU with more cores is drawing more power and therefore would be hotter if cooling is exactly the same (including CPU paste too as you mentioned).
There is something off here - you say that battery in M2 is only smidge better, but than you show graphs after 4 hours of use, where M1 has 67% left and M2 has 81%, which would be a huge difference.
Ah. I did 2 videos on this topic. It depends what you are doing. When watching movies, yes it's alot longer. When actually using the laptop for various tasks, the gap is less
5:41 My Dog, Windows laptops (which I need, sadly) are in the absolute stone ages for battery life/performance per watt compared to this. lol @ 84% battery left after 4hrs of use... I don't think we will EVER see these kinds of numbers on Windows.
Im planning to use a vm (parallels) on my 14" macbook pro (im getting the base cpu, 32gb and 1tb spec) how much will my battery life suffer for intensive and casual softwares on the windows os ran on the macbook. and thank god i was finally able to find someone on yt with the 32gb versions with the m2pro. Great review again!! Im a freshman to engineering uni and am excited to buy my first ever laptop :)
When you say the 10 core version feels warmer to the touch, what exactly are the temperature readings, assuming you checked them using a third-party app? Just trying to see if it's comparable to the temps that I'm getting on my 10 core 14". Also, not that big of a deal but I'm a bit bummed now that I got the 10 core version based on your previous video lmao but honestly there's really not much to complain about, coming from an Intel i9 MBP.
The temperature readings are similar, but what i'm saying is that the way i'm reading temperature is the max across the whole deck. That means certain spots where my hands mostly are, are warmer on the 10 core. Hope that is clear. As mentioned, the 10 core is fine and you should not feel bad about that in anyway!
I am on the same boat, anyway this 10c is super fast, snappier than m1 so that's good, and after previous video I thought it's cooler that 12c.. but on notebookcheck they showed opposite results that made me confused.
@@SBruv Hi Ronan, To, do this methodology I’d have to measure from multiple points to represent the hand. At least 12. 5 fingers and a palm. In fact, for larger surfaces like the palm, I might need multiple. I’d then want to run the same test on other laptops for comparison. I am considering this approach but as you can see its very time intensive. I need to make sure I and my team have time to properly implement it. Hope that clears it up :)
@@JustJoshTech Hey. I guess… As a quick preliminary test, though, ould you not just move the sensor around in relevant the area on the 10-core until you find the hottest spot, then compare that to the 12-core?
Hi Josh, I am new to Mac World and bought a MacBook Pro 14 M1 with 16GB ram and 512 GB ssd for $1549 at costco. I also bought a lenovo Yoga 9i with 16 GB ram and 1 TB sdd for $1349 at bestbuy, which I like more when I compared it with Dell XPS 13 Plus In my day to day use, I run SQL Server, Python, and some Spark programming. So, which one is better? 2021 Macbook Pro M1 or 2023 Lenovo Yoga 9i? Please let me know your opinion.
@@JustJoshTech Hi Josh, thanks for your reply. I finally decided to go with Lenovo Yoga 9i for the following reasons over MacBook Pro M1 1. MacBook is great for programming since all the MacBooks were built on the Linux platform, but I realized that MacBook Pro's with M chips are not compatible for running Microsoft tools, especially the PowerBI tool, which is essential for me as a Data Engineer in my day to day use. 2. This is a hardware issue which I experienced while I was typing, the Caps Lock was not responding properly, there is certainly a bit of lag when compared to other laptops, for typing specialists or programmers who uses the Caps Lock more, that might be a bit of an issue. 3. System runs out of application memory (a common issue on MacBooks) which I never experienced on Windows laptops, while I am multi tasking. And the pros I like about MacBook is 1. It's display, and it is out of this world. I can never experience such wonderful true to colors display on any windows laptop. 2. Aside from the Caps Lock issue, I love the keyboard and it's key travel. It's one of the best keyboards on the market.
If you had to choose which MBP would you take: 16" M1 Max 32-Core GPU 32GB RAM 1TB SSD or 14" M2 Pro 16-Core GPU 32GB RAM 1TB SSD if they were the same price?
Big difference. 12c is way hotter when using its full CPU performance for a long duration of time. If you only use it sporadically or mainly use graphics, I found the 12c cooler than the 10c. Hope that helps!
@@JustJoshTech Docker for Mac alone eats lots of RAM. Add an IDE, a browser, and a couple of Electron-based apps like Slack, and you can easily have 30GB+ of RAM utilised. I understand that swapping works pretty well in macOS, but I'd still appreciate keeping everything in memory when possible. On the other hand, the CPU performance never was a bottleneck for my tasks, so I think I'd be good with 10 cores.
@@valentinkhomutenko6308 I do wish with these new Apple silicon machines that we had the ability to get more ram without upgrading the GPU. I'm a software architect/engineer (sounds like you are as well) and I need tons of RAM, not much storage (512G is probably enough) and a fast CPU. Nothing I do utilizes the GPU at all but I ended up having to get the M1 Max last year for my 16 inch because I needed the extra RAM.
Thanks for the video it helped, I run scientific simulations on all cores when I am traveling so it matters but the notch and the boxy form are really ugly. I could log into a remote desktop with real power but for a lot of tasks I could just run it locally so I need the performance maybe the 16 inch is better.
Okay, so i've owned a few of these the past couple of weeks and i have to ask.. Does you guys also have issues with a "loose" screen. If you close the lid, point the keyboard downwards and tilt from side to side, can you hear the screen move too? Also, do you have a 'clicking' sound, (some units worse than others" when you lay your hands on the board? I've encountered all of the above, on a total of 10+ 14 inch MPS now.. In the beginning i thought it was crazy unlucky, but now not so much! Yikes!
Bit confused now. The previous video looks like the m2 pro 10core cpu was better for the 14 inch macbook pro. In terms of battery, heat, and fan noise. However, now it appears the 12 core cpu is better? 😅
Honestly, I would compare prices between the 14" and 16" if getting the 12 core or higher. In Canada, for me the price difference if specs are the same is only $150 between the 14" and 16" so in my case I just went for the 16".
@@paralelmind Understandable, it's all personal preference. In your use case I would just get the 10 core unless you really need the extra power. From this video it seems both processors run quiet with minimal fan noise so it's up to you whether or not you need the extra cores.
@@andy5434 unfortunately what i need is hard to find on stock (10 core, 32gb ram, 1 tb). Heck, even 12 core variant with this configuration. I can find only m2 max which is overkill for the 14 inch (both thermal and battery life). I will wait.. or make a custom order directly from apple / apple dealer.
Hey Josh, would you still recommend buying the M1 Pro? Looking forward to buy a laptop in September this year. Still unsure if I should buy a Mac since I've been using Windows for the past decade! I'm a computer science student and I think 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD is my preferred specs. I was also thinking about buying a Lenovo Yoga 7 I think but I'm not so sure about Lenovo because I've heard their laptops fail after 1-2 years (hinge or other part dies) and I'm looking forward to a device that lasts 5+ years.
i bought the m1 pro last year the 16+512 variant only even i switched form a windows device. Even i am a conputer science student. My honest review is that these laptops are amazing and i have not faced many problems apart from learning a new os with a few quirks of its own. Only few apps dont work on the laptop other than that the everything is snappy and the device has an amazing battery life so i would say you can still go for m1 pro if you get a good deal as this will easily last you 5 + years Apple is unrivalled when it comes to build quality. If its not a significant difference in price i would recommend you to go with the m2 pro
I would be cautious about moving over from Microsoft. Try before you buy. The general Apple logic is different and not standardised across the operating system. With MS, if it's done like this here, it's also done like that over in the other interface too. In Apple world, each user input seems to have its own special rule. Even down to the "close window/minimise" icons in the corner of the window... they're on the opposite side because why not. I learned to use a computer on a Mac, but then I switched to MS and everything seemed faaaar easier.
As someone who's never used a Mac I love my M1 pro. It's the perfect balance between amazing performance and low power usage and great cooling. The M2 is just a normal progression of pushing hardware and hitting drawbacks as a result. Laptops should never be too hot or bottlenecked. Can't do better than an M1 in that respect
Thanks for this amazing review! I am planning on buying the 14-inch M2 Pro, but right now I'm still questioning whether to get the 10-core or 12-core. I mainly work with graphic design software (Adobe, Affinity, Figma...) and occasionally some light gaming, although I plan to get into some light coding and 3D stuff. Do you think the 12-core version could be a good fit here?
Get the 12 core to future proof it (if you need to buy it NOW, if not the new m3 on 3nm will be crazier if you can wait) It should serve your needs for a long time, think about upgrading only if it breaks or someone else (your company) is paying for a new one. Should last you 5-7 years at least.
I really do very little photo/video editing these days. I am looking at some really good deals on the refurbished M1 Pro models on Apples website right now. $1,689 for the 8-core/16gb/1tb model. That is $510 less than a similar spec'd new M2 Pro. This will be replacing my 2020 M1 13 inch MacBook Pro. What to choose?!?! haha
the version with 12 cores is cooler than 10 core. it is impossible. Doesn't a computer with 12 cores throttling with a long load on the CPU and Gpu? No better to choose for 14 - 10 core
Hello @just josh, I am an video editor that need to edit 4K videos, either from camera nor drone. Could you recommend me which one the best between pro M2 10 core or pro M2 12 core? Thank you 😊
I see apple is adapting their iPhone upgrade every year technique..minimal improvements with scores of youtube content creators telling you how wonderful it is....how much better it is with generic benchmarks and no real world senerios..Just got my mine..lol
Hey Josh, I'm a college student and I have the late 2020 Macbook Air. Up until this point, I've had no issue with it, however now that I have to write research papers and I have many tabs open at once I find it is tremendously slower. Will I benefit from upgrading to the Pro M2 10 core? I have at any given time 3 windows open with at least 5 to 10 tabs at a time for each class. Thank you, Kyle
Lynx browser. Just joking. I use Chrome. Honestly not much to it. It just has many of my identities saved, and I feel since its the most popular, its representative of what my viewers are using
i have a quesiton, i dont video editing but also i dont have budget problem i am software developer and travilling a lot which one should i pick 10 core or 12 core ?
@@JustJoshTech so much thx for the answer, but i am afraid for the battery life after 1 year use of 12 core model would there be much difference between 10 or 12
@@dorukilhan4329 If you are just doing light tasks on battery, it will be the same or similar. May be better on the 12 core tbh. If you are doing heavy tasks, yes the 12 core will drain faster
hi! so in the end you kept the 12 core because it's cooler to the touch? i guess in light usage the battery life is pretty much the same between 10 core and 12 core... or?
Good idea. And that is a little better, but it won't completely solve this. What i'm thinking of doing is attaching sensors to various parts of the laptop. So I can compare the righ palm rest at the same spot etc.etc.
the idea of returning a whole laptop because of the age an one key, seams a bit grotesque to me ... at least from environmental point of view. other than that great video.
To the prospective buyer: Wait another 3-6 months and get the newer version that hopefully has a normal screen; imagine dealing with that big ugly notch at the top every single day.
There is an app, or use black wallpaper that makes the notch invisible. It is very superficial to be negative over something that you can easily eliminate with an IQ in double figures?
The notch is there because Apple is using every bit of screen space. Dell decided years ago to put the camera near the hinge, which resulted in interesting "chin shots". Most people prefer to have the camera on top.
@@JustJoshTech ... so unfortunate((( wish you to be paid more)) I mean the answer to my question is shouldn't be bad, living as an ad is probably a dream xD
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Josh, your videos are a cut above the rest. You’re the only one I found that focuses on the small user experience positives/annoyances. Not just graphs and charts alone. Keep it up.
Thanks Seth. I appreciate that
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@@JustJoshTech Completely true. Only one on TH-cam that does this. So freaking useful.
Others have their work cut out for them. Your videos and information are off the charts. There's not a single boring part of anything in your video. Pure hard work and dedication and brilliance. Sheer brilliance.
Thanks Diwa. I really appreciate your words here
The surface temperature difference is quite interesting. As you said, it could be due to the silicon lottery, which of course is exacerbated by the fact that the 10 core model is already chosen as inferior to the 12 core. My other thought, which could be completely wrong, is maybe the performance tasks being spread across eight performance cores in the 12 core, versus six performance cores in the 10 core, result in a lower requisite load and thus a lower temperature. Even if you aren't maxing the usage of the cores, the fact that you are getting closer to doing so on the 10 core variant might result in the higher surface temps. Anyway, just a thought :)
100% agree. This is a very good point. I am planning to do some videos to better explain how the fundamentals of computing works. You are spot on here
@@JustJoshTech Thanks man. I'm a huge fan of your videos, and that video topic sounds outstanding. I think it would be very helpful in aiding someone who is trying to choose the most sensible components for his or her machine. I know it would certainly help me. Have a great night.
Wrong! There are 8 performance cores in the 10-core variant and 8 performance cores in the 12-core variant. Two additional efficiency cores will probably not provide more temperature. That's not logical.
@@marcusnoack9767 Wrong, they are six performance cores in the base model and 8 in the 12 one.
Your reviews are different and add so much more value for us buyers. You provide insights not available on other channels which helps us to make better decisions. Thank you.
Glad you mentioned the sharp edge on the edge where your wrist or arm would rest. This is a real usability issue. I’m amazed they haven’t addressed it.
I can also see the case for the 12 core if someone plans on keeping their laptop for a very long time. Those extra cores might make a difference 3 or 4 years down the line if apps become better optimized to fully utilize them
Thanks Josh, great video as always. It's unfortunate that the 14 inch thermals aren't really suitable for the M2 Max, I love the idea of that form factor with so much power. I think for that reason the 16 inch is probably the way to go for me
The 16" is so tempting and I kinda want it xD that display.... But pricey I already got the 14" and love it minus the display ghosting
If someone only needs to do "light tasks office work, responding to emails and browsing the web", a macbook air 13 with m1 chip is enough for him. 10-core and 12-core are both for professionals, even in the base version. I make advanced video editing with 14" base macbook pro m2 (4k, 6k, raw video, 10 bit, 14 bit, neat video, filmconvert, motionvfx...) and it's super performing, responsive, without ever a hesitation (and faster in rendering than m1 pro). A truly beast.
I have a 2019 macbook pro 16". Great laptop, and i recently looked into an upgrade. It's around 2.5 to 3.5k! I also didn't realize you can't upgrade the ssd or ram 😢
My macbook pro was my first apple product. They are great laptops, but damn.. you have to be rich to get an upgrade, lol. Not to mention Apple care just in case the memory and / or ssd decides to die, lol. Might have to go back to Windows, unfortunately.
I don't know how people afford Apple products. just nuts
Similar Windows laptop is $1500+ (if one even existed - anything as fast gets red hot and loud). The Asus ROG 14" for example is not just sitting doing almost nothing at best buy. I much prefer Windows but jeepers it's hard to find what I want.
Typo - Asus is hot.
Interesting considerations. However, I want to make some clarifications, useful for those who have to buy.
I'm a professional video editor, with Final Cut Pro (mainly) and Da Vinci Resolve: RAW video, 4k, 6k, 10 bit, 14 bit video... It may be that Premiere (which you use) is not optimized for the new chip, but as for the other two software, I can guarantee that even with the BASE model (10-core, 512 GB SSD), you run smooth, fresh and very fast!
I bought the base m2 pro model and tested it intensively for 2 weeks, then decided whether to keep it or return it. I had no reason to return it and spend more.
Great video mate. Can you do a video on the best laptops for software engineering 2023 please? Love your channel
Funnily enough I'm working on one. It will be out May timeframe
@@JustJoshTech thanks Josh, appreciate it
This is why i like your channel , you see things that others don’t see ! I enjoy your contents 👍🏻
I like this setup more. The simple background is better and easier to the eyes.
These macbooks are so lovely to look at😊. Great job Josh 👍
yep but once you have them they'll look gross
great video, important info that i couldnt find elsewhere
It could also be that the bigger model has a better cooler. For instance max is 100g heavier than pro, somebody said because of the cooler. Please check the weight of the 2 machines 😊
Another component which could change a little bit to accommodate the 2 different CPUs could be the battery, which could warm more or less.
Not just the cooler itself, but better airflow in a larger enclosure, as well as the larger alloy housing irradiating heat.
Too bad they've changed the design of all MacBooks with that sharp raised bottom edge. The old wedge shaped MacBook Air had the best design in terms of ergonomics.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 10 core was made specifically for faulty chips. 12 is always better as it does spread the load.
It's called 'binning'. Chips with one or two dead cores can be sold as lower core count chips.
There has always been 'speed binning' in microchip manufacture. Now it's done in core count.
according to multiple tests, 12c is running hotter and because it has more core it has less battery life.
I was waiting for a new video from Josh.
I need to decide between M1 14" MBP and M2 14" MBP. Josh, which one man?
brilliant review was in need of the difference in order to purchase..
Are heatsinks, fans, etc exactly the same regardless of processor? Measuring wattage going into the power supply via a wattmeter would shed some light too. I surmise CPU with more cores is drawing more power and therefore would be hotter if cooling is exactly the same (including CPU paste too as you mentioned).
There is something off here - you say that battery in M2 is only smidge better, but than you show graphs after 4 hours of use, where M1 has 67% left and M2 has 81%, which would be a huge difference.
Ah. I did 2 videos on this topic. It depends what you are doing. When watching movies, yes it's alot longer. When actually using the laptop for various tasks, the gap is less
@@JustJoshTech that makes sense, thanks Josh! Keep up the good work :)
5:41 My Dog, Windows laptops (which I need, sadly) are in the absolute stone ages for battery life/performance per watt compared to this.
lol @ 84% battery left after 4hrs of use... I don't think we will EVER see these kinds of numbers on Windows.
Great review. Thank you!
Im planning to use a vm (parallels) on my 14" macbook pro (im getting the base cpu, 32gb and 1tb spec) how much will my battery life suffer for intensive and casual softwares on the windows os ran on the macbook. and thank god i was finally able to find someone on yt with the 32gb versions with the m2pro. Great review again!! Im a freshman to engineering uni and am excited to buy my first ever laptop :)
I’m currently in school for cybersecurity, which MacBook would be the best for me to use for my online classes?
Air is fine
I bought one MacBook Pro 14 inch m1 max 4tb with only 3 cycles for 2000 dollar’s 😅
Insane
Always look forward to your new videos!
I really waiting for MBA 15 with M3
But it wont have pro motion :(
@@JimBoomer That's sadly
When you say the 10 core version feels warmer to the touch, what exactly are the temperature readings, assuming you checked them using a third-party app? Just trying to see if it's comparable to the temps that I'm getting on my 10 core 14". Also, not that big of a deal but I'm a bit bummed now that I got the 10 core version based on your previous video lmao but honestly there's really not much to complain about, coming from an Intel i9 MBP.
The temperature readings are similar, but what i'm saying is that the way i'm reading temperature is the max across the whole deck. That means certain spots where my hands mostly are, are warmer on the 10 core. Hope that is clear. As mentioned, the 10 core is fine and you should not feel bad about that in anyway!
I am on the same boat, anyway this 10c is super fast, snappier than m1 so that's good, and after previous video I thought it's cooler that 12c.. but on notebookcheck they showed opposite results that made me confused.
@@JustJoshTech Without meaning to point out the obvious, why don't you measure them again at the point that's getting hot? Or am I missing something?🤷
@@SBruv Hi Ronan, To, do this methodology I’d have to measure from multiple points to represent the hand. At least 12. 5 fingers and a palm. In fact, for larger surfaces like the palm, I might need multiple. I’d then want to run the same test on other laptops for comparison. I am considering this approach but as you can see its very time intensive. I need to make sure I and my team have time to properly implement it. Hope that clears it up :)
@@JustJoshTech Hey. I guess… As a quick preliminary test, though, ould you not just move the sensor around in relevant the area on the 10-core until you find the hottest spot, then compare that to the 12-core?
I was waiting for this video! thanks :)
I never understood why they dont round of the palm area. The Engineering is so good but they forgot that part. Almost laughable
I’ll wait for the 3nm Apple M3 version. The M2 was just a minor upgrade from M1.
When it will come out? Next year?
@@steffdia7080 if the rumors are true, the new M3 CPU should be released sometime this summer along with the new MacBook Air 💻
The m3 will be a minor upgrade to the m2 but be a big upgrade from m1
@@JustaDavid123 not really. 3nm process is a huge step up from 4nm so it’s going to be noticeable coming from both M1 and M2 based Macs
I am waiting for M10
Whooooo new video! :D
Your videos never disappoints and you ❤
This is a unique review. Thank you
So do you suggest buying the m2 pro base version?
Hi Josh, I am new to Mac World and bought a MacBook Pro 14 M1 with 16GB ram and 512 GB ssd for $1549 at costco. I also bought a lenovo Yoga 9i with 16 GB ram and 1 TB sdd for $1349 at bestbuy, which I like more when I compared it with Dell XPS 13 Plus
In my day to day use, I run SQL Server, Python, and some Spark programming. So, which one is better? 2021 Macbook Pro M1 or 2023 Lenovo Yoga 9i? Please let me know your opinion.
Whichever you enjoy using more!!!
@@JustJoshTech Hi Josh, thanks for your reply. I finally decided to go with Lenovo Yoga 9i for the following reasons over MacBook Pro M1
1. MacBook is great for programming since all the MacBooks were built on the Linux platform, but I realized that MacBook Pro's with M chips are not compatible for running Microsoft tools, especially the PowerBI tool, which is essential for me as a Data Engineer in my day to day use.
2. This is a hardware issue which I experienced while I was typing, the Caps Lock was not responding properly, there is certainly a bit of lag when compared to other laptops, for typing specialists or programmers who uses the Caps Lock more, that might be a bit of an issue.
3. System runs out of application memory (a common issue on MacBooks) which I never experienced on Windows laptops, while I am multi tasking.
And the pros I like about MacBook is
1. It's display, and it is out of this world. I can never experience such wonderful true to colors display on any windows laptop.
2. Aside from the Caps Lock issue, I love the keyboard and it's key travel. It's one of the best keyboards on the market.
I expect you to compare the M2 Max version on 14 inch MBP.
If you had to choose which MBP would you take: 16" M1 Max 32-Core GPU 32GB RAM 1TB SSD or 14" M2 Pro 16-Core GPU 32GB RAM 1TB SSD if they were the same price?
Alex, too vague a question. What spec 14 are you comparing it to? What do you use the laptop for? How do you use it? Please post these on our Discord
You came to Colombia? did you enjoy your time here?
Yes I did, it was really nice. I really enjoyed it!
In the previous video, you said that the 12-core model is way hotter. Not sure what changed here!
Big difference. 12c is way hotter when using its full CPU performance for a long duration of time. If you only use it sporadically or mainly use graphics, I found the 12c cooler than the 10c. Hope that helps!
@@JustJoshTechthank you 🙏
Which Mac would you recommend to a Computer Science major? Trying to not go above $2000
For someone who does full-stack web development, which Macbook (with specs) would you recommend within USD 1500?
Any of them will work,
@@RayRai8262 It would have been great if I could get more meaningful recommendation.
@@waqqasiqbal6831m1 refurbished MacBook Pro
If only M2 Pro 10C supported the 64GB RAM option :(
That is a very very odd configuration choice! I'd love to know your use case
@@JustJoshTech Docker for Mac alone eats lots of RAM. Add an IDE, a browser, and a couple of Electron-based apps like Slack, and you can easily have 30GB+ of RAM utilised. I understand that swapping works pretty well in macOS, but I'd still appreciate keeping everything in memory when possible.
On the other hand, the CPU performance never was a bottleneck for my tasks, so I think I'd be good with 10 cores.
@@valentinkhomutenko6308 I do wish with these new Apple silicon machines that we had the ability to get more ram without upgrading the GPU. I'm a software architect/engineer (sounds like you are as well) and I need tons of RAM, not much storage (512G is probably enough) and a fast CPU. Nothing I do utilizes the GPU at all but I ended up having to get the M1 Max last year for my 16 inch because I needed the extra RAM.
@@Watchandlearn91 exactly!
Waiting for your review on Galaxy Book 3 Pro 14 inch
I'm planning to do some
That's an untrabook though, not a perforance laptop.
You don't raise your wrists and touch type? 🤔If you did this, it would save your wrists with those sharp edges. :)
Thanks for the video it helped, I run scientific simulations on all cores when I am traveling so it matters but the notch and the boxy form are really ugly.
I could log into a remote desktop with real power but for a lot of tasks I could just run it locally so I need the performance maybe the 16 inch is better.
Okay, so i've owned a few of these the past couple of weeks and i have to ask.. Does you guys also have issues with a "loose" screen. If you close the lid, point the keyboard downwards and tilt from side to side, can you hear the screen move too? Also, do you have a 'clicking' sound, (some units worse than others" when you lay your hands on the board? I've encountered all of the above, on a total of 10+ 14 inch MPS now.. In the beginning i thought it was crazy unlucky, but now not so much! Yikes!
Why is the thumbnail of an M2 MacBook Air 🤔
Bit confused now.
The previous video looks like the m2 pro 10core cpu was better for the 14 inch macbook pro. In terms of battery, heat, and fan noise.
However, now it appears the 12 core cpu is better? 😅
Same.. now i really don't know what to choose. 10 core or 12 core. I want the best option for heat and battery life for 14 inch variant.
Honestly, I would compare prices between the 14" and 16" if getting the 12 core or higher. In Canada, for me the price difference if specs are the same is only $150 between the 14" and 16" so in my case I just went for the 16".
@@andy5434 not all want the 16 inch machine. I prefer 14 inch for portability.
@@paralelmind Understandable, it's all personal preference. In your use case I would just get the 10 core unless you really need the extra power. From this video it seems both processors run quiet with minimal fan noise so it's up to you whether or not you need the extra cores.
@@andy5434 unfortunately what i need is hard to find on stock (10 core, 32gb ram, 1 tb). Heck, even 12 core variant with this configuration. I can find only m2 max which is overkill for the 14 inch (both thermal and battery life). I will wait.. or make a custom order directly from apple / apple dealer.
Thanks for the real world review.
Glad you enjoyed it
Would I benefit to upgrade from the Dual-Core Intel i5?
Hey Josh, would you still recommend buying the M1 Pro? Looking forward to buy a laptop in September this year. Still unsure if I should buy a Mac since I've been using Windows for the past decade! I'm a computer science student and I think 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD is my preferred specs. I was also thinking about buying a Lenovo Yoga 7 I think but I'm not so sure about Lenovo because I've heard their laptops fail after 1-2 years (hinge or other part dies) and I'm looking forward to a device that lasts 5+ years.
i bought the m1 pro last year the 16+512 variant only even i switched form a windows device. Even i am a conputer science student. My honest review is that these laptops are amazing and i have not faced many problems apart from learning a new os with a few quirks of its own. Only few apps dont work on the laptop other than that the everything is snappy and the device has an amazing battery life
so i would say you can still go for m1 pro if you get a good deal as this will easily last you 5 + years Apple is unrivalled when it comes to build quality.
If its not a significant difference in price i would recommend you to go with the m2 pro
I would be cautious about moving over from Microsoft. Try before you buy.
The general Apple logic is different and not standardised across the operating system. With MS, if it's done like this here, it's also done like that over in the other interface too. In Apple world, each user input seems to have its own special rule. Even down to the "close window/minimise" icons in the corner of the window... they're on the opposite side because why not.
I learned to use a computer on a Mac, but then I switched to MS and everything seemed faaaar easier.
As someone who's never used a Mac I love my M1 pro. It's the perfect balance between amazing performance and low power usage and great cooling. The M2 is just a normal progression of pushing hardware and hitting drawbacks as a result. Laptops should never be too hot or bottlenecked. Can't do better than an M1 in that respect
Thanks for this amazing review! I am planning on buying the 14-inch M2 Pro, but right now I'm still questioning whether to get the 10-core or 12-core. I mainly work with graphic design software (Adobe, Affinity, Figma...) and occasionally some light gaming, although I plan to get into some light coding and 3D stuff. Do you think the 12-core version could be a good fit here?
Get the 12 core to future proof it (if you need to buy it NOW, if not the new m3 on 3nm will be crazier if you can wait) It should serve your needs for a long time, think about upgrading only if it breaks or someone else (your company) is paying for a new one. Should last you 5-7 years at least.
I really do very little photo/video editing these days. I am looking at some really good deals on the refurbished M1 Pro models on Apples website right now. $1,689 for the 8-core/16gb/1tb model. That is $510 less than a similar spec'd new M2 Pro. This will be replacing my 2020 M1 13 inch MacBook Pro. What to choose?!?! haha
I think you know my answer Jim. I mentioned this kind of price difference in the video :) !!!
If the refurbished isn't good, you can return it and swap it for a new one
Great video!
the version with 12 cores is cooler than 10
core. it is impossible. Doesn't a computer with 12 cores throttling with a long load on the CPU and Gpu? No better to choose for 14 - 10 core
There are many variables to consider. Check notebookchecks article on this. They talk about a similar topic to me
@@JustJoshTech 10 cores may get a little hotter but run much quieter. even under heavy load the sound is uniform.
I am software developer, is m2 pro suitable for me?
If the software you are using to Dev and your applicaiton runs in that environment. Yes its a very good choice
@@JustJoshTech thank you very much
I’m in to fitness streaming and trying to get into video editing .. wondering if the MacBook Pro 14 m1 16g memory 1tb ssd would be good ?
I'll trade more ram than upgrading the core count any day. IMHO
Hello @just josh, I am an video editor that need to edit 4K videos, either from camera nor drone. Could you recommend me which one the best between pro M2 10 core or pro M2 12 core? Thank you 😊
I see apple is adapting their iPhone upgrade every year technique..minimal improvements with scores of youtube content creators telling you how wonderful it is....how much better it is with generic benchmarks and no real world senerios..Just got my mine..lol
Hey Josh,
I'm a college student and I have the late 2020 Macbook Air. Up until this point, I've had no issue with it, however now that I have to write research papers and I have many tabs open at once I find it is tremendously slower. Will I benefit from upgrading to the Pro M2 10 core? I have at any given time 3 windows open with at least 5 to 10 tabs at a time for each class.
Thank you,
Kyle
Yes that will help but that sounds like more of a RAM issue. Do you have 16g?
@@JustJoshTech Oh okay. I think I have 8g of RAM
Josh What’s your browser of choice on these machines and why?
Lynx browser. Just joking. I use Chrome. Honestly not much to it. It just has many of my identities saved, and I feel since its the most popular, its representative of what my viewers are using
@@JustJoshTech Haha. Thanks Josh :)
I've been interestingly enough using Edge on Mac and its been a great experience. (especially now with BingAI)
i have a quesiton, i dont video editing but also i dont have budget problem i am software developer and travilling a lot which one should i pick 10 core or 12 core ?
12 core
@@JustJoshTech so much thx for the answer, but i am afraid for the battery life after 1 year use of 12 core model would there be much difference between 10 or 12
@@dorukilhan4329 If you are just doing light tasks on battery, it will be the same or similar. May be better on the 12 core tbh. If you are doing heavy tasks, yes the 12 core will drain faster
@@JustJoshTech thank you so much for your time i really appariciated
You said no benchmarks
hi!
so in the end you kept the 12 core because it's cooler to the touch?
i guess in light usage the battery life is pretty much the same between 10 core and 12 core... or?
You need to buy a thermic camera
Good idea. And that is a little better, but it won't completely solve this. What i'm thinking of doing is attaching sensors to various parts of the laptop. So I can compare the righ palm rest at the same spot etc.etc.
@@JustJoshTech yes, there is some that you can plug on your smartphone
Analyse très utile ! Merci.
Merci Edith
The design of this chassis is crap.
It hurts the wrist real bad while long typing sessions..
I regularly fly to Colombia ;)
the idea of returning a whole laptop because of the age an one key, seams a bit grotesque to me ...
at least from environmental point of view.
other than that great video.
Hi Lukas, they do sell them on Apple's second hand store. They do not go straight to landfill. If they did I would not do it
Yeah get the M1
"Responding to emails"
Thats why people buy macbook for?
If that's your main use you are better off with an Air.
To the prospective buyer:
Wait another 3-6 months and get the newer version that hopefully has a normal screen; imagine dealing with that big ugly notch at the top every single day.
There is an app, or use black wallpaper that makes the notch invisible. It is very superficial to be negative over something that you can easily eliminate with an IQ in double figures?
The notch is there because Apple is using every bit of screen space. Dell decided years ago to put the camera near the hinge, which resulted in interesting "chin shots". Most people prefer to have the camera on top.
can't watch because of all the arm waving
Ad... ad.. ad.... ad.... how it's living as an ad?)
I wish. There are no affiliate or any other payments for Apple products
@@JustJoshTech ... so unfortunate((( wish you to be paid more)) I mean the answer to my question is shouldn't be bad, living as an ad is probably a dream xD
Too muchblahh
Yeah, he talks alot ;)