Teach your dog to DROP - Dog Training by Kikopup
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2016
- In this free dog training tutorial, I will show you a technique I learned many years ago from my friend and dog trainer Kate Palese, for how to train a dog to quickly spit out the toy in his mouth. By training at the correct level of arousal and using errorless learning, you can condition the dog to drop a toy faster than lightening. I have not yet found a better way to teach such a clean and precise drop as of yet.
Once the behavior is trained, you can then use getting to play with the toy again as a reward.
The link to training the same behavior using a dog chew bone is here:
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Thanks for another great video. They are so helpful.
Very informative!! Thanks so much for the new video :)
Thank you for this great channel!
Awesome video always comprehensive videos for the novice dog owner.
I just got a 3 month old border collie and I've always loved your videos!!
Awesome! Thank you again, Emily!
this my favorite method as well
I will most definitely try this
I love Your movies :) You speak so calm, slowly without unnecessary excitement. So nice and easy to listen to You. And most important - You teach step by step and tells us what to do if something goes another way than we expect :)
Great video. Thank you! Sharing with my clients :)
What a good girl! She's such a pretty pup. Thank her for demonstrating for us! And of course thank you for teaching us
I enjoyed watching this
Thank you so much! I've been having this battle for over a week now.. Your video had my dog dropping it in 10 minutes
Thanks!
All your videos are awesome. Thank you
thanks!
W0W! I have said this in almost the same words to so many dog owners at the park and most of them think I'm nuts, it is refreshing to hear someone who really knows what motivates a dog.Thank You.
This is an excellent trick
I just love all your videos - they are the main base for training my beagle pup (now 7 months). Drop (or as we say - thank you as drop means lie down), is one he struggles with, so I am now trying this version. He is so food motivated though with such a strong nose, all he cares about are the treats in my pocket or the ones I have in my hand, and actually ends up going for that hand instead of the toy sometimes. Think this will just take some hard work and some time, as he isnt incredibly toy motivated either (he gave up after trying for a bit and went to lie down despite sleeping all morning ha!) x
Ah, thank you! I'm training my cousin's dog for them and the biggest problem he has is that he will not let go of his toys. This is very helpful!
Also - rewarding with toys and building a reward of throwing the toy again if they drop it is by far the strongest positive reinforcement I've seen in my dogs.
Helpful! :)
so useful :)
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This was so helpful :D
What is the recommended training session for a 5 months old puppy
This is a very important behavior for our dogs to understand. Thank you for the tutorial. Really good point at 4:00 on timing of the verbal cue.
Thanks :)
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oh my gosh, our border collie is so crazy about tug that I hadn't yet found a training video that worked for him! (he's 15mths old). This worked immediately! thankyou for describing what to do with a tug-loving dog that gets abit overboard. Grabbing one of his toys he is less keen on worked well. Once he got the idea that ''give'' meant let go I quickly could move to his more favourite tug toy and he still let go (amazing as he usually just doesn't give up). We are going to keep training this, and hopefully eventually he won't need the treat reward he'll understand playing again is the reward :)
Well done! :) Sounds like you did an awesome job! :) Yes, youll be able to use more tugging as the reward for dropping :)
Can you please do a video on how to train your dog to overcome the fear of loud sounds/noises? My dog is very afraid of loud noises and refuses to leave home this is becoming an issue as he will have to do his daily business at home. Also if you don't mind I would also appreciate if you give us some tips on how to train a dog to poop on newspaper. As my dog has no issues recognizing the pee tray but it always fail to poop on the newspaper which I have placed right beside his pee tray~ hope to hear from you and love all ur dog training videos
this vid was a game changer!! thanks so much. I have a 15wk border collie, how do i teach him to love water and swimming?
I get my dogs started on loving water by playing chase with the hose, moving the stream of water away from them to chase and experiment with catching. This video talks about it briefly th-cam.com/video/71T6K9IU9P0/w-d-xo.html (the link is cued up to where I start talking about it 9 mins and 20 seconds into the video)
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Do you have a video on training your dog to only get the toy when you say get it?
I lost tug drive with my boy by using this method. It's a great method and it works very well. I just wish I still had his original tug drive.
I didnt want to make the video too long, but I left out generalization proofing and using premack. That you can use getting to have the toy again or another as teh reward for dropping. You could do restraints as you run away with the tug. Try using different tugs, and dont present the same picture as usual that reminds the dog that they were not that interested in tug. You could even change the cue to "get it". Make it new fun and exciting. Also getting the dog more physically fit is a great solution to building drive. Whenever my older BC looses drive, I instead of working on trying to build it in training, I get her more physically fit, and suddenly the problem is gone with no training.
kikopup i gave a 3 month old shepard. if you use a clicker to train is it true you need to use it forever once you start
kyle, I know this comment is late but maybe someone else is thinking about it too. But no, you don't need to use clicker forever. You only use it to teach a new behaviour or trick, and then you fade the clicker out when they can do it. You can find how-to's if you google "fading the clicker".
I rarely use this method because I see the same thing. The dog learns food goes in mouth if they spit out the toy, so they don't want the toy. Makes repeated sessions harder. The dog will still play with toys over time, but within a session, I lose play all together.
It is a good method to keep in your back pocket for a dog who refuses to let go, even after several minutes of a "dead" tug. I had a puppy in class that was not letting go, and then going for hands instead of just letting go. I pulled this method out and he did great for about 10 reps, then when I had mom practice, he was done. Food was better than toys and she couldn't get him to play/tug for the rest of the class that night. I do think this is the right method for her going forward, but sessions are only 1-2 reps before he doesn't want the toy back, which slows overall training.
Hi! Your videos are so helpful! Im wondering if you have like a "day in the life" or some type of order of what we should be training our puppies from when we first get them? I found that when I taught my pup using your leave it method and then tried teaching him the 'sit, down, stand' circuit he wouldnt follow my hand because i had previously taught him to leave it🤔...please help! and thank u so much for all your content!
I had same issue with teaching my dog new tricks..she gets confused on what I want and start to unfollow things she has learned
Thank you so much for all these VERY helpful videos! I have been reading dog training and psychology books plus watching videos like yours(all of them... many many times lol) for several months now. I've also been studying about the border collie breed as well, as I plan to own one in maybe the end of the year or in 2017. I want to prepare for one as much as I can! Would you recommend any border collie breeders in California? :)
How old is your border collie? So smart!
I am listening to all your videos, as I just discovered you recently and find you really really good. Now, I would have liked to see the training of the dog being asked to drop something it just found (your best friend’s glove) and running away with it. If the glove has a great value to the dog, the recall might be very difficult, but even if the dog comes back, the drop isn’t part of a game, because he probably knows you might try to replace it by a toy or give him a reward, but you won’t give the glove back.
Well, the video on teaching dropping high value stuff like bacon or whatever they find, is in my Weekly Manners program on my website dogmantics.com However the closest thing to it, is this video - th-cam.com/video/iIR3MtTSyIw/w-d-xo.html Its about teaching your dog to come to you even though hes eating something. Basically through training, your do learns doing what you ask is always in his best interest.
Do you think quick bout of tug with say the Collar Puller/Flyber toys could be used instead of food treats to reinforce behaviours?
Yes, but I would not use toys for behaviors you want the dog to be calm doing. As well as I would make sure your dog has a reliable drop and fetch before using the toys to train new behaviors
Hello!:) Can you please make a video on how to teach a dog to drop garbage or random food they find that can harm them? like for example a cooked chicken done that splinters. You say drop (them knowing that command but would rather eat that bone) and they continue to chew and swallow it.
Danielle Winter that’s when you teach leave it. Not drop
Explore The Wild For me « Leave it » means to not touch what you see on the ground or wherever it is, BEFORE it is in the mouth. My dog drops the toy very easily, gives back to the hand lots of clothings and similar.
But if it is a piece of paper, it is very difficult. As for garbage, it is mostly house management.
Excellent question. I don't have a problem with " drop it" but finding, chewing and eating random stuff off the ground is a major problem. Sometimes I can get to it by substituting with a treat but I'm not one to solely rely on treats--- at least never was in the past , but with a new, hyperactive and stubborn pup in the house picking up random stuff is now becoming a problem and we're back to basics
I don't have any problems in the house just when we're out and about...
Teach leave it
I need to teach drop at my feet for my red acd :) My dog comes about 80% of the way back on a fetch but leaves it about 5 feet away from my feet. My lab brings it back to my hand or feet every single time. I'm not sure where I went astray with my acd.
I love your videos! Quick question, my puppy doesn’t grab the toy again once food is presented to him and gets fixated on sniffing around or doing other behaviors, like sit or lay down, trying for more food...any suggestions?? Thanks!!
I suggest that you play games of tug where you dont ask to drop, to build the tug behavior, then have a treat in your pocket in plastic or on the table you can reach for during the tug game to use. Basically you can give just the one treat show you have no more, and just get back into playing by moving away from the area where the treat was and showing your puppy empty hands, then get the puppy interested in the toy again. But it is actually a great thing because most likely you can get your puppy to drop anything you want immediately like socks or soemthing hes not supposed to have. Because some puppies wont drop things even for a treat. So the important part for you is building the fun of tugging :)
Can I ask what treats you use/recommend?
Also -- I did the same thing for my lab and it worked great! It took maybe five minutes for him to catch on. This is the easiest and quickest method of training drop it.
If its something really important I use real meat (boiled chicken etc) or extremely tiny bits of cheese. For other stuff with my own dogs I use kibble, but some dogs find kibble very low value
I used this to train my corgi, but he rapidly realized that he could steal some valuable stuff to us and ask food as a "ransom" in exchange... then he became agressive when not "paying the ransom"... I had rough time getting out of this behavior gone wrong! What do you suggest in these cases?
I can get retrieves but not holds...I wanted to backchain so I started with Give. None of my three will hang onto anything in my vicinity if I have treats! I can get them to Give into my hand, or lap, or drop into a basket, by only reinforcing the more precise Give. But all objects are like hot potatoes when treats are in play! Would love a grip or hold but a bit lost on how to do it at this point.
I had the same treat-mindedness with my aussie. I only got the behavior when I gave her something lower value and mixed in higher value treats. I started with her regular kibble as treats and she got the idea of going back to playing after a treat.
Hi Emily, I followed your tutorial to teach her drop things since she was a puppy and it worked really well. She picked it up in just a few minutes when i first taught her. but overtime she now, 1 year old, only wants to drop it when she thinks we have treats to give her. I am sure we probably did something wrong in between and made her thinks she only needs to drop for treats. same thing when I paly fetch with her. She doesn't want to drop the ball when she comes back unless i have treats. Do you have any suggestions to alter this situation? thank you so much~
I suggest having two toys, so drop one ball for the next one that you have in your hand. You could play a game with two tugs in each hand, say drop and then get it for the other tug and then switch. You can also do brush up training with treats, as you incorporate the dropping of teh ball gains access to you throwing the one in your hand.
The first time you said drop, my captions said drunk 😂😂😂😂😂
haha! I should really go and correct them all but I have so many videos.... Often times it says "Kiko poop" instead of Kikopup....
Hi . What treat are you using?
I tend to use real meat that I cook myself, or kibble they really like, or tiny bits of cheese or turkey hot dog
hi, our gsd (13 months old none castrated male) was either too excited by a toy (so we switched to a more boring toy) or too excited about the treat he knew he was going to recieve so he would grab the toy. any advice? or just try different toys till we find a medium? thanks
**he stopped grabbing the toy
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I am trying to use this training technique with my 8 month old pup but she is so food motivated, she won’t play with her toys when food/treats are around. Any suggestions to help me?
Yeah that happens. Its annoying. What you can do is, teach the drop initially with two toys where you play with one, then hold it still and wiggle the other to get her to drop. Or have 1 treat in your pocket and a jar on the counter, get her invested in a toy, then say drop and put the treat to her nose, give her the treat for dropping it, then convince her there are no more treats, this might take 2-5 mins initially...once shes really invested in tugging or playing, mark and then go to get her a treat... you are reinforcing her for tugging with the treat, since her drop and leave it when food around is fantastic. You can repeat this just once, then when youve done it a couple times, you can see if you can get her invested in the toy after the treat faster. By doing this training it will help her to be able to work for toys even when food is present which is a wonderful skill if you are going to use toys in training. But honestly lots of dogs can learn everything just working for food.
What would you suggest with a dog who when they see treats they won't move from a sitting position or put anything else in their mouth until they know all the treats are done?
Work on a targeting game. Put a treat on a paper plate and work on target. Then start working in other behaviors like Kikopups touch command.
She's tooooo excited even when I'm moving too slow with her! And if I don't give her the toy she mouths my arm as is warning to bite me if I wouldn't give her the toy!😄
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Did this with my rescue, and she dropped it as soon as I tried using the command. Maybe she knew it from her last home, or maybe she is waiting for me to just say a word, any word, as her cue. I tried saying "out," "chair," "wall," and she still dropped it.
My questions are:
1. How do I know she is learning what "drop" means if she is dropping it for every other word?
2. At what point do I stop giving treats?
Thanks for all of the clear, thorough videos! They are so amazingly helpful. :)
Don't reward for anything other than "drop" (or the command you want to use)
What about a dog that’s so excited to play that even when you’re not tugging they stand there and throw their head from side to side to play
my dog is great with dropping her tug toys! but when playing fetch, she will not drop her balls/frisbees, no matter what high value treat I offer her. how do I address this behavior?
My puppy does not want to resume playing with the toy after a few iterations of this so I can't do enough repetitions for it to stick.
I suggest then to get the puppy invested in tugging when there is a bowl of dry treats on the table that have been sitting there, do 1 repetition, then wait till later to do it again. Or you can teach drop using another toy. While tugging on the one toy, hold it still and start waving another toy, hopefully the puppy lets go to get the moving toy. Once he starts doing it reliably you can say "drop" just before you move the second toy. Even though its a little tricky at first to use food and toys together in training sessions, if you keep going, you basically train the dog to accept whatever reinforcement you have rather than hoping for something he prefers. So just keeping on trying to get him to play with the toy, he learns that the only way to get the food he wants is by playing with the toy first. Some dogs have the opposite issue and wont eat food if they see you have a toy. And for those dogs you can teach them that if they work for the food they can then get the toy.
When I pet my dog, Bob, anywhere near his head, he tries to chew on my hand. He never breaks the skin but often leaves bruises and since he's an 85 lb lab, it's a problem. I can't seem to figure out how to get him to stop. Any advice?
Kikopups touch command can help him direct his nose to your hand instead of his mouth.
In almost every video you reinforce to us that treating/cueing at the same time causes confusion in our dog. Basically you're saying that dogs don't grasp multitasking very well. Correct?
Good question. The reason that you don't want to say a cue at the same time as you move the treat if you can avoid it, is that when conditioning something you want to make that stimulus the predictor of what follows. If you present two stimuli at the same time (saying sit, and moving a treat) the brain will usually pick the one that is more important or has a previous history of predicting reinforcement to the dog to be the predictor - so for most dogs they will be keyed in to looking at the treat or eating it. Once dogs learn the concept of adding cues it’s not so important. For example when Pavlov did his experiments with dogs, he rang a bell and then presented the food, rather than ringing the bell as he fed the dog. Through studies they found out that the conditioning is more effective when the stimulus is presented before, rather than during or after. And that when there are more than one stimulus presented the animal will pay attention to the one that is stronger than the other.
I need advice. My 6 month old puppy has problems eating food. He barely eats. He's very picky about what he eats. He won't eat out of the food bowl only off the ground and some times out the hand.
Your puppy might be just finishing up getting their adult teeth. What kind of food are you feeding and have you tried to mix in water?
Is it possible to train 6 years old (I would say "undisciplined") dog more advanced tricks ? She knows simple" sit", "stay", "down", but mostly times(not allways) she needs reward, in oder case she ignores it. Without reward he never reacts for "come". I hope I can change it, but I'm unsure about this.
Of course. Dogs are never too old to learn.
+SnickerDogMom i don't know how to motivate her to react for commands without rewards? Do you have any idea?
Piotr Kaminski There is no reason you need to stop rewarding. Keep doing it until your dog is solid on her recall and then you can intermittently start rewarding so your dog doesn't know when to expect it. My own dog is 7 years old and has really high level behaviors trained, but I still practice a recall with treats on a daily basis, because it is a command that might need to be used in a life or death situation. You might want to also try never calling your dog by name or using the "come" command when you are going to do something that they perceive as less than fun (such as nail clipping). Bottom line is when your dog figures out that you calling her equals really fun, highly rewarding things, she will start wanting to do it more often.
+SnickerDogMom I mean no reward, when I just want her come to me - when don't have any reward to her, but after reading your comment I realized I have to buy much snacks and have in near to me (for example in pocket). Then she will never know if she get it or not. Thanks and if you have any other advices please share to me :-).
I got a weird situation. my gsd is very toy driven, he loves fetching his rubber ball and Frisbee. he knows his command release. when he has the Frisbee I tell him release and let it go. one day playing tug my finger finished under his tooth, I told him release and let go immediately. it won't happen with the ball. when he brings the ball back he simply stays in front of me lowering his head and refuse to release. I used to walk away so he would let it go. I figured out that if I have him get on my side he releases the ball when he passes behind me.
but there is nothing that makes him drop the ball, I even tried to tease him with the Frisbee... he releases the ball only when he sees me ready to throw and give the command fetch.
You could get a variety of different balls, that he doesnt like as much and work with those first- like a ball on a string etc. Then when hes having success use the cue you have conditioned for 2 weeks with the harder scenario.
You could also say the cue "Drop" then move your arm to throw the frisbee (similar to the treat to the nose technique). Dog drops the ball in anticipation of the throw. I also suggest getting more balls of the type that are his favorite. And when he as the ball and brings it back, you immediately get excited about the ball you have. Some dogs who dont drop a tug when you say drop, will actually drop the tug mid pull if you say "ready, steady...." (if you usually say this before telling the dog to get the tug). If you were really intent on teaching the dog to place the ball in your hand, you could first teach the dog in trick training sessions to put the ball in a container while on the floor and in your hand, then hold the container out to the dog when he returns with the ball. This might change his feeling that giving up the ball is a bad idea, and instead he will see the outstretch container as an invitation for more reinforcement and games. Then you just get rid of the container and use just your hand. I have used this technique for dogs who guard the ball and dont want to give it back as well as dogs who are shy and dont want to get close to their handler.
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i train my 16 week old puppy using methods which i see in your videos...i have a difficulty that my puppy does not stay in a position when i try to train her...she just lies down with her back on the floor if i don't give a treat for an unappropriate behaviour...everytime i would lure again and teach her...what can i do to avoid this?
You can try luring her back into the position you want and treating her, or reinforcing her for staying in the position in the first place. The former may result in her thinking "If I lay down and get back up, I'll get a treat!" so put maybe put more focus on her STAYING in the position you want her in.
+akitaken Thanks for the tip..will try it 😊
A bed stay or place command is also really great!
when I try to train my neighbor's dog, Penny, to sit she will only sit on a soft surface. How can I get her to sit on any surface?
Lots of dogs, who have a thin coat do not wish to sit on uncomfortable surfaces, similar to how we wouldnt want to sit in grass etc, with no clothes on. Other dogs can not want to sit because they find the position uncomfortable due to how their back legs are- for example sight hounds or dogs with injuries. With my chihuahua, I taught her to sit on a mat, build the behavior to be highly reinforcing first, brought the mat different places and different surfaces, had her sit on the mat. Then I started using a variable ratio- so only sometimes gave her treats for sitting on the mat. Took the mat away and then gave her a treat every time she sat on the grass etc- at first I went back to how I originally trained it using luring, and just clicked small pieces of the movement into the sit position. I made a big deal about it. So basically, sitting on the grass meant a higher level of reinforcement and easier steps than sitting on the mat to combat the fact that it doesnt feel so great. I know my chihuahua, and she doesnt mind sitting in grass now. But there is some grass she just tells me, no this is not cool, and I respect that-I would ask her to lay instead of sitting.
kikopup Thank you, I love your videos and how you train dogs.
My border collie is great with 'drop it' if I have treats. However, when she finds a sock or something else, and I don't happen to have treats, she won't drop it. Instead, she takes off and tries to destroy whatever contraband she found.
So my problem is we got our girl to do this with toys but she doesn't want to do it with other things and she tries to eat them instead, like mulch and leaves, and now she's showing resource guarding for these types of things. She's fine with food and toys tho.
What if they would rather have the toy and he doesn't drop with food to nose :(
You need a higher value food. If you're using a dog treat, maybe try a people food like hot dog or cheese. You just have to find a food they're willing to drop for. Or perhaps a better toy, even, if your dog is really toy motivated.
Hmm, you're never letting your dog win at tug of war. You don't think this eventually makes the dog dislike the game?
I used a different method, where I held the toy still until my dog got bored and then started playing with him again the second he let go. While this worked, I do feel that your treat method would have worked faster and more effectively.
I think it is a good way to teach it. It's good early on, when the dog might not want to play if you have food.
My dog once he sees the treat doesn’t want to play anymore because he’s too focused on the treat
this has a flaw: a puppy with a good nose will simply start ignoring the toy completely once it knows you have food
the training then becomes impossible
I also noticed that when the puppy smells that there is no food around, the command simply does not work
You would need to train with a higher value toy and a lower value reward, thus making the toy more rewarding than the food. If necessary, really get the puppy engaged in the game of tug so that the puppy is thoroughly enjoying/engaged in the toy. Then, immediately as you say "Drop it" stop tugging, place the higher value food under the puppy's nose so that the incentive to tug and play is lessened and the incentive to drop and choose the food is increased. You essentially want to set your puppy up to win.
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your not suppose to use treats for let go
I realize that some people believe this. That is why I explained why I use food in the beginning of the video. I really like how fast all my dogs and my clients dogs drop anything they have using this technique. I also like that my dogs have a very trusting relationship with me.
depends on the dog, sometimes a high value swop can be used
I started to teach sunny using treats and she learnt very fast, and later making it better by making the toy less interesting just by calming the game.
Why
Easy when she works with a dog that’s already trained. What about a more realistic situation? Like starting out on a pup or a new rescue that has never experienced “out”.
my dog lose interest in the toy once he knows I have food.
kikopup's reply to lazulianwater's comment below might help! I have the same problem
Does not work with a dog who is so toy focussed that they have no interest in food.