Bizarrely enough, over the last week, I've been digging into Proto-Siniatic... which lead me down a crazy rabbit hole of learning about Canaanite religion. What an interesting coincidence to find this video made today.
Scholars are hesitant to differentiate between Canaanite and Hebrew during the Bronze Age because there simply was no difference between them yet. In the same way that Latin used to be one language until it spread out and diverged into the various modern Romance languages, similarly the Proto-Canaanite language was just one language that gradually split up into various dialects which then became Hebrew, Phoenician, Moabite and so on.
Great video! I hope some day you'll review literature from after the fall of the second temple and what it tells us about society at that time, such as 4 Ezra and 2 Baruch. Thanks!
I heard a theory, interesting to look into, that the origins of all of the Semitic literacy was from east of the Sinai and Levant, and the Chaldeans used constellations for the consonants, the fixed stars of sound symbolism, and the planets were the vowels moving through them. Dating this would be tough, as it would have been practiced on NON-durable media before inscription. My bet is that the Egyptian timeline and the origins of the East Semitic literacy are probably analog to the West, and around 3,000BCE would be when the technology was formalized, with Egypt being a stable vessel for literacy, and the peoples to the East less so.
This video really demonstrates how easy it was (and is) to be illiterate when the meaning of writing was kept obscure and only for the scribes and elite. Knowledge is power!
There is also a tri-language account wall found in the Sinai area, that tells the destruction of Pharoah's army by the sea... one is in hieroglyphics, the other two are using other ancient writings... This was found in the mid-1800's, I have a book with a photo of the wall. The archaeologists believed that it was written in two early Hebrew writing systems as well as Egyptian.
I love this series but it leaves so many question unanswered. Form the previous episode I was expecting something about what happened after the fall of Jerusalem by the Babylonians.
@2:18, but modern Arabic is and Hebrew are Abjads. Not alphabets. Fun Fact! There are not very many alphabets in the world. MOST language is an Abjad or other kind or writing.
Mmmmm I think the Phoenician alphabet is still considered the oldest fully formed alphabet by most of the academic community. So, all the other languages, including the Hebrew, have to thank to them; that is, not the Canaanites but the proto-Canaanites (meaning... the Phoenician). I know a couple of years ago this theory has been challenged by what is expressed in this video, but as far as I know, it is still very controversial.
The Phoenicians is the Greek word for the Canaanites. They are the same exact people. Phoenician means the "Purple people" because of the Purple dye they made from the murex snail, they were known throughout the Mediterranean for this dye, the Romans overtook the dye business and only allowed it for Rome. It was lost to the Israelites/Jews after the Roman conquest.
The square script was adopted about the time of the Babylonian conquest, either right before or right after. The point of the script was to make it harder for non-Hebrews to read the texts.
@@shdwbnndbyyt you are only guessing why the " "square script " was adopted and the classic Hebrew language was a dead language , and Aramaic was the living language , when the " square script" was adopted classic Hebrew has the same lexicon and grammas as Canaanite
The word (Hebrew and Greek) what language is and it meanings. The word Hebrew was derived from ... h b r w.. pronounced as (oha e bu uru uwa).. meaning.. people that bears the wickedness of the world... Greek.. derived from ... g r k.. pronounced as (OgO ri ike).. meaning...district of a strong people. Egypt.. g Y p t.. Pronounced as... (A go Ya a pa atu).. meaning... prays to almighty God and carries out the instructions...Latin.. (l t n).. pronounced as (Olu Otu ana).. meaning.. Language of one land. to clarify this check Ref: (Rosetta stone or Palermo stone) you will discover that all those languages written in Egypt, Greek and Hebrew. are one language spoken in different dialects, by the Israelites.. Israel...I zara Eli.. meaning... you answered God... The Masoretes Jews who are Hellenic Greeks that have no idea or clue about the ancient text and they are people try to translate Hebrew text which is not their language they are followers of the original Jews. Under slavery, the Igbo took the name Hebrew (Igbo language: 'oha e bu uru uwa' meaning 'the people that bear wickedness of the world'). The Igbo called on their God Oseburuwa (Igbo language: Ose e bu uru uwa, meaning Almighty God who bears the wickedness of the world') to liberate them from bondage and slavery in Egypt, which led to the Exodus (Igbo language: Chi e du osa, meaning 'God leads the people') through Chad across Lake Chad into Nigeria, and then into Igbo land or Canaan (Igbo language: Oke Nna, meaning 'the allotment of the father'). The Exodus was accomplished by Pharaoh Merneptah (Igbo language: e fere oha Mere nuputa oha, meaning 'the pharaoh who accomplished the push out of the people'), reigned from July or August 1213 BC- May2, 1203 BC, as the fourth pharaoh of the Nineteenth Dynasty of Ancient Egypt.
Should you not go to the origin when addressing the origins of a language? Abraham was called a Hebrew while his nephew Laban was called an Aramean? Does not that refer to the languages they spoke? Would not that make Aramaic and Hebrew two of the oldest languages in the world?
"Oldest language" doesn't really mean much. Languages don't come into existence. They just diverge. Whether one of those branches is considered the same as the 'original' language is mostly political.
Hebrew, and later Judaism began and stem from a Canaanite polytheistic cult. Which practiced human sacrifices. El was their main deity. Later became Elohim and many other " El " names. El had a wife Ashera, many sons and Baal was also included. This is the beginning of Judiasm . Rarely spoken of where all the Abrahamic religions stemmed from.
This is true. "El" has been genericized to just mean "god", but the proto-Isrealites worshipped El Elyon and the Canaanite pantheon. There is Canaanite literature still in the Hebrew bible today (psalm 29, for example). Sources: Mark Smith, Peter Machinist, H.L Ginsberg. This psalm was originally attributed to Baal but was repurposed for Yahweh. Most scholars with academic freedom believe that the Isrealites were polytheistic/henotheistic until the post exilic period.
@Don P I sourced Mr. Ginsberg as recognizing the Canaanite antecedent of psalm 29, which is why I listed him immediately after that statement. I did not state that he is a source for the polytheistic/henotheistic assertion.
@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 May I remind you that the reason Elohim (the only TRUE GOD) give the land of the Canaanites to the Hebrews was because the former were worshipping idols? In fact, God swore that He would do the same to the Israelites (Hebrews) if they followed those He displaced.
@@ministeronaldstimphil5448 Per your "reminder" comment to me, where, exactly, are your assertions derived from and what empirical evidence do you have to support said assertions?
Saw a doc about the Proto-Siniatic alphabet recently-can't remember what it was streaming on-but the thing that blew me away was the line, "The alphabet has only been invented once." That's one of those facts that I must have learned at some point but completely forgot until that moment.
It's cool, but also kinda... wrong. Korean Hangul does not have direct lines of lineage back to proto-siniatic, and is definitely an alphabet, and not a syllabary or logographic script.
Hebrew (and all "semitic" languages) are of phenician (indoeuropean) origin. The canaanites have taken the phenician language and writing. ... and the Bible is originally written in greek. (Yes: The Septuaginta is the original. It is a complete new redaction of old texts (of several cultures) without ancestor.)
@@NNnn-zc2bm Your rude language shows that I did catch you. The phenicians were skippers and traders. They were also in Canaan regions and have mixed with the population. But the question is where they are from. IMHO they were Thrakiens (like king David) because of the red (blond) hairs their name came from. If after all my explanations you still use the unscientific expression "semitic language" you seem not having understood what I am saying. Yes, phenician is a "semitic language". But that does not mean that the speakers were semites or that semites have invented this language. It only indicates that semites at the time of Jesus Christ spoke a similar language (that IMHO was not their own.)
Great video! I was a bit sad to realise I had already seen it on Religion for Breakfast, though :(
I know... There for a moment, I thought I was having some kind of flash-back. :)
Bizarrely enough, over the last week, I've been digging into Proto-Siniatic... which lead me down a crazy rabbit hole of learning about Canaanite religion. What an interesting coincidence to find this video made today.
Last time I was this early Herod's temple was still standing.
Scholars are hesitant to differentiate between Canaanite and Hebrew during the Bronze Age because there simply was no difference between them yet. In the same way that Latin used to be one language until it spread out and diverged into the various modern Romance languages, similarly the Proto-Canaanite language was just one language that gradually split up into various dialects which then became Hebrew, Phoenician, Moabite and so on.
Déjà vu...
Unmissable. You've done well here, young man.
hand't they already uploaded this episode?, I'm confused
I think it was uploaded first in the Religion for Breakfast channel.
@@Mutxarra ahhh I was confused by this too. Ty
It's such a good episode that it is deserving of two channels, thus multiple viewings.
Its origin,,is sumeriac,shumer,,hebrews come from ur,,obviously over time and moving into the levant,akkadian area
Please tell me this series has at least 90 episodes
I wish I could
I had no idea about a lot of this stuff!! Great job!
deja vu if been to this place before higher than a ancient israelites priest
Great video!
I hope some day you'll review literature from after the fall of the second temple and what it tells us about society at that time, such as 4 Ezra and 2 Baruch.
Thanks!
Is it me or he looks a bit like a young Steven Spielberg?
You're talking about scripts, not the Hebrew language
I heard a theory, interesting to look into, that the origins of all of the Semitic literacy was from east of the Sinai and Levant, and the Chaldeans used constellations for the consonants, the fixed stars of sound symbolism, and the planets were the vowels moving through them. Dating this would be tough, as it would have been practiced on NON-durable media before inscription. My bet is that the Egyptian timeline and the origins of the East Semitic literacy are probably analog to the West, and around 3,000BCE would be when the technology was formalized, with Egypt being a stable vessel for literacy, and the peoples to the East less so.
Hebrew language came from the ASSYRIAN‘s that’s where Abraham came from Abraham was ASSYRIAN he was speaking Assyrians
looking forward to continuing episodes!
This video really demonstrates how easy it was (and is) to be illiterate when the meaning of writing was kept obscure and only for the scribes and elite. Knowledge is power!
Look inside the Pharos burial chambers to see some of the paleo Synetic letters , possibly from the time of Yoseph .
There is also a tri-language account wall found in the Sinai area, that tells the destruction of Pharoah's army by the sea... one is in hieroglyphics, the other two are using other ancient writings... This was found in the mid-1800's, I have a book with a photo of the wall. The archaeologists believed that it was written in two early Hebrew writing systems as well as Egyptian.
Citation needed please.
what early Hebrew writing system?
what tri language inscription wall?
Great series!
I love this series but it leaves so many question unanswered. Form the previous episode I was expecting something about what happened after the fall of Jerusalem by the Babylonians.
@2:18, but modern Arabic is and Hebrew are Abjads. Not alphabets.
Fun Fact! There are not very many alphabets in the world. MOST language is an Abjad or other kind or writing.
The distinction between abjads and alphabets is artificial nonsense, and both hebrew and arabic are somewhere in between.
Probably came from some bones, stones, bronzes, irons, tins, and steels
I've got Seth L Sanders book on this, but haven't had the time to dig in yet
Very interesting as always!!
9:12 - silently cries, because of learning to read Japanese... ;'(
עי
Mmmmm
I think the Phoenician alphabet is still considered the oldest fully formed alphabet by most of the academic community. So, all the other languages, including the Hebrew, have to thank to them; that is, not the Canaanites but the proto-Canaanites (meaning... the Phoenician). I know a couple of years ago this theory has been challenged by what is expressed in this video, but as far as I know, it is still very controversial.
The Phoenicians is the Greek word for the Canaanites. They are the same exact people. Phoenician means the "Purple people" because of the Purple dye they made from the murex snail, they were known throughout the Mediterranean for this dye, the Romans overtook the dye business and only allowed it for Rome. It was lost to the Israelites/Jews after the Roman conquest.
*things we see can tell us one thing...* things we perceive can tell us another...
Why the double?
Two channels
Thanks! Learnt a lot
!
*So there were only Canaanite scripts until the kings period...*
I would like to know how such an obscure group of people produced writing with such a high level of literary complexity as the Hebrew scriptures?
ARCHEO-CANAANIM ALPHA’bit, not proto beta’bit.
These are easily my favorite things on YT. Thx for doing them!
This video is missing the earliest known date of Hebrew written in a form recognizably familiar to the current alphabet. Good job on the rest, though.
The earliest inscription using the square script is actually in aramaic...
The square script was adopted about the time of the Babylonian conquest, either right before or right after. The point of the script was to make it harder for non-Hebrews to read the texts.
@@shdwbnndbyyt
you are only guessing why the " "square script " was adopted
and the classic Hebrew language was a dead language , and Aramaic was the living language , when the " square script" was adopted
classic Hebrew has the same lexicon and grammas as Canaanite
The word (Hebrew and Greek) what language is and it meanings. The word Hebrew was derived from ... h b r w.. pronounced as (oha e bu uru uwa).. meaning.. people that bears the wickedness of the world... Greek.. derived from ... g r k.. pronounced as (OgO ri ike).. meaning...district of a strong people. Egypt.. g Y p t.. Pronounced as... (A go Ya a pa atu).. meaning... prays to almighty God and carries out the instructions...Latin.. (l t n).. pronounced as (Olu Otu ana).. meaning.. Language of one land. to clarify this check Ref: (Rosetta stone or Palermo stone) you will discover that all those languages written in Egypt, Greek and Hebrew. are one language spoken in different dialects, by the Israelites.. Israel...I zara Eli.. meaning... you answered God... The Masoretes Jews who are Hellenic Greeks that have no idea or clue about the ancient text and they are people try to translate Hebrew text which is not their language they are followers of the original Jews.
Under slavery, the Igbo took the name Hebrew (Igbo language: 'oha e bu uru uwa' meaning 'the people that bear wickedness of the world'). The Igbo called on their God Oseburuwa (Igbo language: Ose e bu uru uwa, meaning Almighty God who bears the wickedness of the world') to liberate them from bondage and slavery in Egypt, which led to the Exodus (Igbo language: Chi e du osa, meaning 'God leads the people') through Chad across Lake Chad into Nigeria, and then into Igbo land or Canaan (Igbo language: Oke Nna, meaning 'the allotment of the father'). The Exodus was accomplished by Pharaoh Merneptah (Igbo language: e fere oha Mere nuputa oha, meaning 'the pharaoh who accomplished the push out of the people'), reigned from July or August 1213 BC- May2, 1203 BC, as the fourth pharaoh of the Nineteenth Dynasty of Ancient Egypt.
ah, the academic pose of 'non-sectarianism', secularist sectarianism at its finest. There truly is no neutral zone
basically the conquest of canaan was a propaganda tale so the hebrew differentiate themselves from canaanites
Crazy' hebrew language started since Adam and Eve the language spoken by Adam communicating to the God who give adam life.
Should you not go to the origin when addressing the origins of a language? Abraham was called a Hebrew while his nephew Laban was called an Aramean? Does not that refer to the languages they spoke? Would not that make Aramaic and Hebrew two of the oldest languages in the world?
"Oldest language" doesn't really mean much. Languages don't come into existence. They just diverge. Whether one of those branches is considered the same as the 'original' language is mostly political.
Hebrew, and later Judaism began and stem from a Canaanite polytheistic cult. Which practiced human sacrifices. El was their main deity. Later became Elohim and many other " El " names. El had a wife Ashera, many sons and Baal was also included. This is the beginning of Judiasm . Rarely spoken of where all the Abrahamic religions stemmed from.
This is true. "El" has been genericized to just mean "god", but the proto-Isrealites worshipped El Elyon and the Canaanite pantheon. There is Canaanite literature still in the Hebrew bible today (psalm 29, for example). Sources: Mark Smith, Peter Machinist, H.L Ginsberg. This psalm was originally attributed to Baal but was repurposed for Yahweh. Most scholars with academic freedom believe that the Isrealites were polytheistic/henotheistic until the post exilic period.
@Don P I sourced Mr. Ginsberg as recognizing the Canaanite antecedent of psalm 29, which is why I listed him immediately after that statement. I did not state that he is a source for the polytheistic/henotheistic assertion.
Where did you get that myth from? Which book? Who is your authority on the origin of Judaism?
@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 May I remind you that the reason Elohim (the only TRUE GOD) give the land of the Canaanites to the Hebrews was because the former were worshipping idols? In fact, God swore that He would do the same to the Israelites (Hebrews) if they followed those He displaced.
@@ministeronaldstimphil5448 Per your "reminder" comment to me, where, exactly, are your assertions derived from and what empirical evidence do you have to support said assertions?
Saw a doc about the Proto-Siniatic alphabet recently-can't remember what it was streaming on-but the thing that blew me away was the line, "The alphabet has only been invented once."
That's one of those facts that I must have learned at some point but completely forgot until that moment.
It's cool, but also kinda... wrong.
Korean Hangul does not have direct lines of lineage back to proto-siniatic, and is definitely an alphabet, and not a syllabary or logographic script.
@@marsupialmole3926 Interesting
This is just alphabet, not language. Your video's name confuses me.
Hebrew (and all "semitic" languages) are of phenician (indoeuropean) origin. The canaanites have taken the phenician language and writing. ... and the Bible is originally written in greek. (Yes: The Septuaginta is the original. It is a complete new redaction of old texts (of several cultures) without ancestor.)
Arias of Delusions.
Delusion convince yourself
Phenicians were Canaanites, their language was semitic. You are bananas.
@@NNnn-zc2bm Your rude language shows that I did catch you. The phenicians were skippers and traders. They were also in Canaan regions and have mixed with the population. But the question is where they are from. IMHO they were Thrakiens (like king David) because of the red (blond) hairs their name came from. If after all my explanations you still use the unscientific expression "semitic language" you seem not having understood what I am saying. Yes, phenician is a "semitic language". But that does not mean that the speakers were semites or that semites have invented this language. It only indicates that semites at the time of Jesus Christ spoke a similar language (that IMHO was not their own.)
Abraham was not a Jew, he was born in UR, Mesopotamia, today IRAQ
Evidence? not hear say...
no strong evidence of his existence.