Honestly it was karma at its finest. He had to endure her being all cutesy with Roy then after he finally confesses his feelings for her she turned him away and now the shoes on the other foot. Pam deserved a taste of her own medicine after treating Jim that way.
@@ipandeei3661 nothing is wrong with it, it’s how life is for most people and they showed it perfectly in the show, some people can be together but one partner might not be over a previous crush or significant other
8:03 Jim catching up his breath and then looking straight at Pam, as if he's looking for the right words to say, but then he ends up thinking too much and losing the timing... It always breaks my heart
Karen was a freaking catch. Not gonna lie, she had everything a guy could ask for. Sweet, attractive, great job, not overbearing. I don't know why people disliked her.
i love how jim thought it was too soon for karen to just move on the same street, but then bought an engagement ring one week after going out with pam. :)
That's real life though. Every man has their forever woman. And if you're not it, chances are he's not going to be moving mountains for you the way Jim did with Pam.
I hate when someone writes a comment that we all get the point but there’s always a couple of 🤡🤡 who has to be objective. That’s what the TH-cam comment section has become. Either repeating the same comment, saying he/she/this is the most underrated person/place/thing ever, or having some self satisfying objection. People are sheep smh 🤦🏾♂️
Karen totally did not deserve to be treated like the third wheel but also.. my heart broke when Pam longed for Jim. We all know she was a timid, shy girl in the beginning of the show, couldnt even take a stand for herself, being constantly put down by Roy. So honestly, her just leaving Roy and getting with Jim in a heartbeat would've been very out of character for her. She wasnt bold enough to just back off of a god knows how long relationship. Plus she loved Roy too, it wasnt an abusive relationship, he was just uncaring. I totally get what she was going through.
Easily the best comment in this section. I understand the sympathy for Karen and always will, but nobody gives a nod to Pam, who wasn’t confident at all because she was with someone who would put her down every chance she got to be strong
Just want to point out that you can love someone and still be in an abusive relationship. I don't watch the show every day like some ppl so i can't quote details, but pam and roy's relationship was certainly unhealthy, if not borderline abusive from what i recall. But i agree with your main point about pam not recognizing she deserved better. It's really hard for ppl in relationships like that to break them off, and the vibes of comments that are blaming pam for 'jerking' jim around are really worrying me, no empathy for someone in a really tough position
@@rachelrachel9152 exactly! how can you possibly break off a 3 year long engagement just like that with a guy you've been with for 10 years!? he was basically a part of her now.. AND they even had a date fixed for their marriage in like 2 months.. people need to realise that they made it as realistic as possible and life isnt a love saga!
@@rachelrachel9152 yeah yeah we know ur stance Roy deserves to be cheated right , u r angel is always right ohh she was victim always beside she is the one cheated we get it she is always the victim go ahead .
Roy did get a bit physical with her in the first Dundies episode when the tried to grab her by the arm and drag her to his truck. It made one wonder if there were other similar incidents that didn’t quite rise to full-on abuse that left bruises, cuts, or injuries, but could be considered abusive at some level.
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it’s amazing to me how in the scene on the booze cruise boat so little is said but we can see the characters’ innermost thoughts just from their faces. it’s such a great jim and pam scene because we can see the conflict of whether to say something in jim’s eyes and the panic in pam’s when she realizes she might have to face her feelings.
I'm actually surprised not many people are commenting about this scene. It is so great, as you said, not many words said, but the feelings of the characters were practically out there
unfortunately unspoken feelings can also be misinterpreted. eg, if Jim says to Pam, "I got the feeling you like me so I wanted to confess to you". And Pam says "Oh I'm so sorry. You know that I'm with Roy. I'm sorry if I made you think I liked you and led you on. Please forgive me." yea, many people have dealt with that kind of misunderstanding also.
That scene is great. I think you nailed it on the head. Sometimes when less is said, more can be conveyed through emotion and facial expression. You can see it in Jim's eyes, he's dying to tell Pam how he truly feels, but how can he? She's engaged and he has GF. I think the likelihood of Pam reacting well to a confession of love was low and Jim knew that, and Pam, you're absolutely right, how can you confront those feelings knowing that you're engaged? In this case, though, she was able to run away haha. I would like to you leave with one final note. The Yagan word (appropriately spoken by the Yaghan people of Tierra del Fuego) "Mamihlapinatapai" is considered one of the world's hardest to translate, and roughly means, "a look shared by two people, each wishing that the other would initiate something that they both desire but which neither wants to begin." I think that word sums up that scene nicely.
I liked that the writers brought her back for the Utica episode. Just goes to show the writers liked the character too and allowed her to give Jim is comeuppance he rightly deserved.
Karen was so much fun in Stamford!! She also joked around with Jim, spent an entire day to look for chips with him, played cod, switched chairs when it creaked, etc But when she came to Scranton, suddenly the writers made her super boring. She didn't do any of the fun stuff and silly things she used to. :/
@@alexandrabruges9321 ahh yes…I hear you. And now I am having flashbacks in my mind, to the 90’s and my high school days. 🥴 Perhaps i was the male version of Karen, back then.
I suppose watching everyone that transferred over with you dropping like flies might squelch your playfulness at work. Plus, she knew about Jim and Pam's situation so that made things a little awkward.
It was actually low-key impressive that the writers didn't do the obvious thing and try to make Karen the obviously inferior choice between her and Pam. They were never going to go full Roy with her, but they could've made it TV-obvious that Karen had nothing to offer Jim. But she obviously did.
Great point. Tv and movies often make things so one dimensional or black-and-white. So often the other man or other woman is a complete monster with no reason for a main character to date. Real life tends to be more complicated.
@@snackpup I think it was so arduous and difficult for Pam to break it off with Roy as she was caught in this cycle of abuse. I don't believe Roy would be physically abusive, but it's more plausible to say he was emotionally towards Pam. This could have shattered her own confidence and reputation, making it that much harder to find the strength to leave Roy.
@@muchotucho8037 yah for sure she should not have been living with him unmarried. if she didnt do that then she would have been more free and brave to say no.
@@muchotucho8037 I get that but also pam knew what she was doing to Jim. She was in the wrong for leading him on in that way and there were numerous times where she pulled back last second from Jim. At the end of the day, pam led Jim on for YEARS. That is 100% a separate thing than her relationship with Roy
Honestly, I'm glad that Karen and Jim broke up because it would have been worse staying with someone who doesn't fully appreciate her. She ended up getting married to someone anyway so I'm sure she was fine :)
"I didn’t watch the whole documentary. After a few episodes it was too painful. I kept wanting to scream at Pam. It took me so long to do so many important things. It’s just hard to accept that I spent so many years being less happy than I could have been. Jim was five feet from my desk and it took me four years to get to him. It would be great if people saw this documentary and learned from my mistakes. Not that I’m a tragic person, I’m really happy now; but it would just make my heart soar if someone out there saw this and she said to herself ‘Be strong, trust yourself, love yourself, conquer your fears, just go after what you want and act fast because life just isn’t that long.’" - Pam about Pam being Pam
Everyone in the comments saying they prefer Karen should go back and read/watch this quote again. Jim and Pam are as close to soulmates as people can get. You’re not edgy or different for acting like Karen was better
@@tommccarthy8092 Karen was objectively better for Jim, that’s just not who he wanted 🤷🏾♂️. The whole season 9 conflict occurred because of how different Jim and Pam saw life and Dunder Mifflin. Karen would not have held Jim back to be secure in monotony. What makes jim and Pam work is Jim’s willingness to make Pam happy no matter what even if he’s a little late to pick up on when his gestures are too big or too much. Pam was happy with a nice boring life and Jim wasn’t but Jim is happy with Pam so he made the sacrifice. Most of their relationship was Jim going against what Pam wanted. She didn’t want to be engaged before she finished school but he proposed because he couldn’t wait. He bought his parents house and Pam didn’t even like it, he jumped into the start up in Philly but Pam didn’t even want to leave Scranton. Pam didn’t realize how much she held him back until after a random conversation with Darryl and only then was she worried about not being right for him. Meanwhile Karen had Jim pushing for a better job in New York and part of the reason he didn’t get it was because he just couldn’t get over Pam.
jenna fischer is an absolute master at her craft. i personally think she's one of the best actresses on the show. the way she conveys emotion through her facial expressions is just so spot on and believable.
@@bensiu687 whether she was written out or had to move for Parks and Rec (Ann, another great character I love), Karen was criminally under used. To think that even Nellie or Gabe had more episodes than Karen is just a pity.
what the pros of beingg cheated? It is obvious that Pam was engaged and still attacked Jim and was jealous. Sometimes I like how their character degenerated by the lastest seasons. It was deserved. They both think they are handsome, as the guy child care said.
If Jim and Pam are considered bad, then everyone else in Scranton would be just as bad, if not worst. Michael Scott did technically cheat on Jan (Sure that relationship turned out horrible, but that besides the point), why wasn't that called out?
@@mrpumavol7.044 Karen .... the aforementioned character, in my opinion, was not funny nor was she interesting in the slightest. I thought what I said was pretty cut-and-dry.
I don't hate Karen, but I think she was rather controlling and suspicious towards the end, which sealed the deal for Jim deciding to break up with her. I have also long had the feeling that Karen was the one who wouldn't let Jim go to Pam's art show. (Probably in a passive aggressive way), and you can tell from Jim's expression on the beach that that had been torturing him. In general, Karen wouldn't let Jim be friends with Pam, because she regarded Pam as competition. Now, she was kind of right about that... but the way she acted about the situation only made it more clear that she was the wrong girl. And Pam was the right one.
There are several lines from The Office that I've found use for in everyday life, and Jim responding to Pam's inquiry about what he plans on doing with Katie with "oh I dunno, dinner, drinks, matching tattoos" is definitely one I've used.
I think the reason why Karen was so disliked is because of how LIKABLE she is. She wasn’t the stereotypical mean girl who had it out for Jim’s original love interest. In our eyes Pam felt like the victim of sorts but Karen wasn’t a villain she was more of an innocent bystander. & It would’ve been too easy to make Karen unpleasant which is why it was so hard for people to accept her in my opinion. She was a real threat. The trope of the sought after man being with a witch is a dead give away to the audience that she isn’t gonna stick around for very long & it’s unsettling when it’s the opposite. It made the love story better & made the stakes higher for sure.
I never hated Karen but during the whole time that they dated, I was like "I can't wait for Jim and Pam to get together" Karen was nice but my heart belongs to PB&J :(
In general, most men know that “Do I look fat in this outfit” questions are no-win situations. It’s almost better to fake a stomach cramp or heart attack than try to answer those.
Jenna plays the role so well, the little gestures, mannerisms of the character's personality; the way Pam gets little boosts of confidence but is still shy. Love her so much. I wish they dragged out Jim and Pam's wedding and showed us more cuteness and more of their relationship away from being at work, but then it wouldn't be called "the Office" if it was too pulled away from scenes happening in the actual office 😅
I'm actually proud of the way Jim got Pam back. He also shot her down later and made her realise that he was good. He didn't beg or creep her like Gabe in S7 😂
I think Pam probably always loved Jim too, but she may not have truly realized it for a long time. When it became apparent that Pam had something deeper with Jim, she was terrified because it meant she was going to have to take a leap of faith and end things with Roy after years of being with him. Anyone who has been in that situation knows that it’s very tough and it’s not a spontaneous decision. For Pam, it took her a while to finally decide to leave Roy for good and finally tell Jim how she felt. I think that’s completely natural and acceptable. I’ve been in a VERY similar situation and it can be extremely confusing at first, but what matters is that clarity slowly reveals itself to you. It takes time to understand your feelings and process declarations of love like that. It takes time (especially for someone like Pam, who starts out being very soft spoken and sort of a “pushover”) to gather enough bravery to become independent and decide they want real change. Therefore, it’s exciting when they finally do make such changes. That’s why one of my favorite episodes is the one where Pam walks on the coals on the beach and then finally tells Jim the truth about her own feelings. It means so much to me personally, as does the entirety of Jim and Pam’s relationship. I know that a lot of people get angry at Pam for turning Jim down at first, but I think it’s a matter of trying to understand the confusing and potentially scary (in an emotional sense) situation she was in. I don’t know if it’s just because I understand her and relate deeply to her, but Pam’s character and story means a lot to me and I thought I should just throw that out there.
I agree 100 % with what you wrote. I think many people on the internet have such cut and dried reactions to how Pam should have acted. They just think you just blow it up and go to the person who you seem to love more. Pam and Roy have been together a long time and Pam's mom likes Roy as shown in a deleted scene. Its not like he was a one night stand. He has been in her life a long time and although not officially married they are like a married couple. It takes a huge amount of courage and selfishness to blow that up for another guy that you joke around with and have a great connection with at work. It is a huge risk although it seems so easy looking at the chemistry they have at work. This happens all the time at workplaces where people will say this is my work wife or husband. The audience only see the Pam and Jim connection but havent seen the Pam and Roy moments when they started dating. Pam is not a user as many think she is - she likes the attention Jim gives her as he makes her drab job so much better. This dynamic happens all the time in the workplace! I can see why Jim falls in love with her so easy but what Pam feels at first is friendship that she loves as much as romantic love. This is why Pam and Jim are such an epic couple. The friendship is so cute and then the love comes as a natural progression. They had to lose each other to realize they couldnt be apart and be truly happy. It took both of them great courage to declare their love and the timing was off for sure but in the end the writers had the right idea. I think many people settle and years later connect with someone that is perfect for them. That doesnt mean you run to that person and leave what you have. It just isnt that simple! And it isnt realistic. Jim provided a contrast for Pam as what her life could be and after he left I think she realized that Roy wasnt going to change and she was going to find her Jim. Nice that he moved back so that she got the original!
I've always believed and observed that in many couples "that are just friends", one wants to be more than just friends. I've seen it play out that way many times.
Whenever Pam has to lie about something that's important to her she often shakes her head involuntary like she's protesting against her own words. Like on 6:39 she calls Cathy "super nice" and says that "Cathy and Jim are so cute together" - and immediately shakes her head, so in fact she hates Cathy and doesn't like seeing her with Jim. But she nods when she says that the car is adorable, so that's her genuine opinion.
It is common to not understand and value the love and care you get from someone till you have them. Moment they are gone, you realise their true value. Pam never seemed to understand how much Jim loved her till she "lost" him to Karen. Luckily for Pam, Jim came back and she got second chance, not many people get that second chance.
I hated the way Jim treated Karen. Karen was lovely, and Jim used her basically as an emotional shield when he came back to Scranton. Plus, to leave her in NYC without a way to get home was just horrid. I don't blame Karen at all for being angry when Jim, Michael, and Dwight went to her branch. She really was the bigger person when she congratulated Pam on the engagement.
amy adams's brief performance as katie has always stuck out as quite memorable to me. i love her acting--she is really good at this style too, she adds a realness to her character that feels so natural
Pam's face when she gets jealous:Puppy Her mind:'Instant kill activate' Edit:I know nothing about this series but I was there in 36 seconds after this was uploaded
Its just that sometimes two ppl are meant to be with each other. They are so attracted and fond of each other's company that how much ever they try dating newer ppl, it still can't match that level of connection and bond and when they get even slightest chance of being with each other they don't miss. I think that is shown by jim and pam .It was nobody's fault. Jim and pam always felt comfortable and easy and their chemistry had always been palpable. It was not Pam's fault either. Humans are bunch of fucked up mammals. In Pam's word from the office " They never just got the timing right".
Pam opening up not only to Jim and Karen but the whole office in that last segment was truly sad, beautiful and brave. I think is hard to fight for the love of someone but it's the most hard to fight for the friendship of someone and in this case is both.
Literally every comment here has been: Person 1: Unpopular opinion: Karen was better Person 2: Man, Karen was a lot better than Pam. Person 3: Karen was WAY better than Pam! Person 4: I actually liked Karen a lot more than Pam Person 5: Jim should have stayed with Pam. Person 6: She just wasn't Pam
Also getting a real incel vibe from ppl that are like "pam deserved it because she was such a terrible person for not breaking up with roy" like jim was entitled to her bc he wanted her and is nice, and like pam wasnt in a problematic/abusive relationship and it is typically very hard for ppl to recognize and escape those situations
@@rachelrachel9152 so cheating on Roy was good solution for escaping from the abusive relationship , wow u have provided the greatest solution , femcels supporting women who are cheaters no suprise there of course . Roy reacted crazy but does that make this cheatie pie any less cheater , no it doesn't , it's simply Karen was good but all Jim Pam suckers had to be satisfied as if they are eternal couple by the writers. Just becoz pam is cute and cries for everything doesn't make her any good may u should know that .
The one scene in Ben Franklin episode where Pam & Karen confront each other is awkward tho. Karen had no patience with her after hearing about the whole crush Jim still has. Only scene in the show where it’s pure uncomfortable, tense cringe. Every other cringe scene is funny in some sort of way, but this pure awkward tension for the sake of it.
I’ve always loved the scene on the boat. Jim’s face looks like he wants to say a billion things but he’s not even sure how he would even say them to begin with. Pam looks hopeful that he’ll say something along the lines of “it sucks” I believe Pam was going to make a move on Jim but seen he clearly was too confused with his feelings so she decided to walk off with the excuse “I’m cold” I’ve noticed Pam makes excuses for things to be distracted or to just not say or do something when she’s really nervous. I don’t believe I’m correct at all but it’s a theory I play with every time I watch it.
So I’ve never seen The Office, and had always assumed it was a silly comedy. Looking at these clips I’m amazed at how emotionally rich the characters are. The acting is subtle, superb, and real. And yes it is funny when they choose to make it funny
It was my thoughts exactly and three months ago I finally gave it a chance as wasnt into over the top humour. Fast forward till now and this show has become maybe my fav show of all time. I know it is not everyone's cup of tea and I tell people you may not get past 5 shows. But for me and who knows why the human connections that run through the comedy are some of the best ever and one would never expect a comedy to pull this off. The clips you are watching are from the couple that is Jim and Pam. I consider them the most realistic, relatable and romantic couple in TV history and I am not young anymore so have watched a lot of TV. Im sure this is a bold statement for many. John Krasinski and Jenna Fischer just flat out own these roles and have chemistry that is so subtle and perfect that 100 years from now they will be iconic!
feeling blessed they removed Karen from The Office. I genuinely cannot imagine Parks and Recs without Rashida. It's not a surprise that the show ended the season after she left, Ann and Leslie's friendship were the glue holding Parks and Recs together.
I've never watch this tv show but It seems to be one of the greatest comedy tv show around. I love the fact that there's none laughing track in it. Just like in malcolm in the middle.
I’ve never hated Karen. She just got stuck in the middle of two people that didn’t know what they wanted. Some of my favourite episodes are with Karen Post-Break-Up, she is totally justified in disliking Jim and that’s hilarious to me.
I remember when she said she cried over Jim for a long time but felt better when she saw Jim looking like an idiot being roped into a scheme by the same boss at the same location while she got to move on to better things.
I don't think she disliked Jim. Later, she assumed that he had wanted to see her, and reaction to hearing about Jim's engagement was... telling. Sadly, she was hurt by him.
For the people who think Pam wasn't good, let me remind you one thing "Pam was the only friend of Michael." It was Pam who helped Michael when Michael found out about Holly's boyfriend. Cause Pam knew how both Michael and Holly felt at that time. Because both Pam and Jim went through that.
freaking gosh dang it i cant watch this straight. i keep pausing and getting all worked up cause jenna is such a good actress and i cant help but feel pent up frustration while watching all of these moments XD
I found Karen to be a nice person who liked a guy and wanted to go out with him. She then finds out he and and another girl kissed and tries to get past it. Then she can tell he's in love with the other girl and he confirms it. She even tries to get through that and when she thinks they are moving forward he dumps her and he goes out with the other girl. Jim and Pam were meant to be together, but Karen was a victim of their bad timing.
why does no one understand that the point of their storyline is this huge growth that Pam experiences. It wouldn’t make sense for her to break it off with Roy when she when she couldn’t even see how bad it was while it was happening. she needed a reality check to make her confident enough to say something! and jealousy is a given sometimes, love isn’t always pretty
Everyone in the comments: WHY DID THEY GET RID OF KAREN SHE WAS THE BEST CHARACTER IN THE WHOLE SHOW Me: *Couldn’t be happier when Jim and her broke up*
Are we forgetting that she cheated on her engaged husband and didnt tell him about it, and not feeling regret? Real love dont mean jack if you're just a rebound for someone else's failed love lives
I'm surprised how Pam managed to keep it together when Jim was dating Karen cos obviously her feelings for Jim was so intense.. That's a strong survivor/fighter trait
Jenna Fischer is such an underrated actress as the subtle way she reacts to Jim when he cant hang out with her is sooo well done. Some of the dialogue and her eyes are so believable like when she cant play pranks with him anymore or he tells her he is going out with Amy Adams gal and she is helping Roy move. It is so awkward but so real! I clicked on this video thinking here we go the Pam haters will be all over this. After watching it and reading the comments i came to a couple of conclusions. First my word Jenna Fischer owns the role of Pam - I know I typed this earlier - but she is vulnerable funny awkward jealous and REAL. I cant imagine I would watch this show without her because yes in a world of Steve Rainn and John she can hold her own! Second Karen was a good character and no one should hate her. She was unfortunately put in the middle of a couple with chemistry that I have rarely if ever seen on tv. When Karen is so likeable and still you need her to step aside you know Pam and Jim have something special ...... and they do! Its called called acting chemistry. Thirdly the majority of comments on this site are spot on- no hate for either Pam or Karen and the reality of the situation. Plus the fact that these are great scenes from a great show. So nice to read thoughtful and non polarizing opinions.
She literally checks with Pam while dating him of it is okay that they are dating, after Pam was the only one to do anything wrong. Put some love on this woman.
@@ayushiag2219 No, because thats what she did, she made out with Jim whilst engaged and she didnt pull away or tell anyone about it - didnt even feel guilty about it Thats called cheating - no sugarcoating around it
Without overthinking it, I think Pam and Jim’s relationship is beautiful bc it had so many things in the way and yet it flowered. They struggled but they got there because they knew they were The One for each other. And even when they married, their marriage wasn’t perfect because they are flawed human beings. And aren’t we all?
Seasons 2 and 3 were the absolute peak of the show, and the reason was that the balance between all the carachters was perfect, especially the one between Jim and Pam. The show was still great until about seasons 6 and 7, but was never able to top the early seasons because of that balance.
Karen did nothing wrong.
Also, Ryan started the fire.
BAHAHAHAHAAAAABAHA i love this
also pam started the lice pandemic
Ryan tried to start a fire...with Karen when he sent the email to her.
From the FIRE guy to the Fire-ed guy, we all grew up
Ryan started the fiyaaaaaaa
After watching Jim get turned down for 2 seasons straight, not even going to try to lie, watching Pam jealous was a bit satisfying.
It reaaaaally was!!!
Honestly it was karma at its finest. He had to endure her being all cutesy with Roy then after he finally confesses his feelings for her she turned him away and now the shoes on the other foot. Pam deserved a taste of her own medicine after treating Jim that way.
That’s what I said!
@@karajohnson572 Damnit kara that's my line
And then when Pam comes out in the beach episode, it was hilarious and satisfying!!
Been a while since I’ve seen this much sympathy for anyone named Karen on the Internet.
AHAHAHAHHAHA
LMAOOOOO
Gold
@@Beowulf002 That's rare
@@Beowulf002 I never knew. New info to me😂
That scene where Jim denies to participate in her prank and her reactions were so surreal that it gives me anxiety. Top notch acting.
wish he stuck to it for a season
I love it too. Seeing pam get rejected and deaded by Jim was so satisfying to me. I was always team Karen so not a big fan of Pam in general.
@@dovelamore24 tf is wrong with u
@@ipandeei3661 nothing is wrong with it, it’s how life is for most people and they showed it perfectly in the show, some people can be together but one partner might not be over a previous crush or significant other
What episode is that?
8:03 Jim catching up his breath and then looking straight at Pam, as if he's looking for the right words to say, but then he ends up thinking too much and losing the timing... It always breaks my heart
that scene was an emotional rollercoaster man
Yeah its a great scene!
Karen was a freaking catch. Not gonna lie, she had everything a guy could ask for. Sweet, attractive, great job, not overbearing. I don't know why people disliked her.
Because she wasn’t Pam
Because karen was trying to be the "cool girl" u know, the gone girl kind of cool girl
played COD
She played cod as well
Replace great job with good in bed and you have every incel ever's description of the perfect woman
Jenna is an amazing actress. She doesn't get the praise she deserves for always being spot on.
Agreed !
Hey Jenna
Agreed. Both John and Jenna are such great actors
@@grrmonkey lol
Who's jenna, she's your friend huh? How you dare call Fisher, Jenna? I'm going nuts omg i'm dying
I think that Pam and Karen would become best friends if Jim didn't date Karen. They seemed to get along well in the Christmas episode.
I'm pretty sure they'd date just earlier if Jim didn't date Karen.
Totally
Well Pam is the office mattress. 🙄
@@dco2006 SHUT UP!! ANGELA!!!
@@parker3350 Yes Pam, not everyone is as informal as you and Jim.
i love how jim thought it was too soon for karen to just move on the same street, but then bought an engagement ring one week after going out with pam. :)
That's real life though. Every man has their forever woman. And if you're not it, chances are he's not going to be moving mountains for you the way Jim did with Pam.
@@snickerdoodle212 Facts. If a man isn't behaving that way, you ain't the one boo.
Well, you've just explained why Jim and Pam were endgame.
I hate when someone writes a comment that we all get the point but there’s always a couple of 🤡🤡 who has to be objective. That’s what the TH-cam comment section has become. Either repeating the same comment, saying he/she/this is the most underrated person/place/thing ever, or having some self satisfying objection. People are sheep smh 🤦🏾♂️
@@houston356 completelyrics agree
Karen totally did not deserve to be treated like the third wheel but also.. my heart broke when Pam longed for Jim. We all know she was a timid, shy girl in the beginning of the show, couldnt even take a stand for herself, being constantly put down by Roy. So honestly, her just leaving Roy and getting with Jim in a heartbeat would've been very out of character for her. She wasnt bold enough to just back off of a god knows how long relationship. Plus she loved Roy too, it wasnt an abusive relationship, he was just uncaring. I totally get what she was going through.
Easily the best comment in this section. I understand the sympathy for Karen and always will, but nobody gives a nod to Pam, who wasn’t confident at all because she was with someone who would put her down every chance she got to be strong
Just want to point out that you can love someone and still be in an abusive relationship. I don't watch the show every day like some ppl so i can't quote details, but pam and roy's relationship was certainly unhealthy, if not borderline abusive from what i recall. But i agree with your main point about pam not recognizing she deserved better. It's really hard for ppl in relationships like that to break them off, and the vibes of comments that are blaming pam for 'jerking' jim around are really worrying me, no empathy for someone in a really tough position
@@rachelrachel9152 exactly! how can you possibly break off a 3 year long engagement just like that with a guy you've been with for 10 years!? he was basically a part of her now.. AND they even had a date fixed for their marriage in like 2 months.. people need to realise that they made it as realistic as possible and life isnt a love saga!
@@rachelrachel9152 yeah yeah we know ur stance Roy deserves to be cheated right , u r angel is always right ohh she was victim always beside she is the one cheated we get it she is always the victim go ahead .
Roy did get a bit physical with her in the first Dundies episode when the tried to grab her by the arm and drag her to his truck. It made one wonder if there were other similar incidents that didn’t quite rise to full-on abuse that left bruises, cuts, or injuries, but could be considered abusive at some level.
Karen was treated so harshly
because she was the rebound to someone he never got to have
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it’s amazing to me how in the scene on the booze cruise boat so little is said but we can see the characters’ innermost thoughts just from their faces. it’s such a great jim and pam scene because we can see the conflict of whether to say something in jim’s eyes and the panic in pam’s when she realizes she might have to face her feelings.
I'm actually surprised not many people are commenting about this scene. It is so great, as you said, not many words said, but the feelings of the characters were practically out there
unfortunately unspoken feelings can also be misinterpreted.
eg, if Jim says to Pam, "I got the feeling you like me so I wanted to confess to you".
And Pam says "Oh I'm so sorry. You know that I'm with Roy. I'm sorry if I made you think I liked you and led you on. Please forgive me."
yea, many people have dealt with that kind of misunderstanding also.
That scene is great. I think you nailed it on the head. Sometimes when less is said, more can be conveyed through emotion and facial expression. You can see it in Jim's eyes, he's dying to tell Pam how he truly feels, but how can he? She's engaged and he has GF. I think the likelihood of Pam reacting well to a confession of love was low and Jim knew that, and Pam, you're absolutely right, how can you confront those feelings knowing that you're engaged? In this case, though, she was able to run away haha.
I would like to you leave with one final note. The Yagan word (appropriately spoken by the Yaghan people of Tierra del Fuego) "Mamihlapinatapai" is considered one of the world's hardest to translate, and roughly means, "a look shared by two people, each wishing that the other would initiate something that they both desire but which neither wants to begin." I think that word sums up that scene nicely.
@@Matt-ux8hh i really wanted to take the extra time to thank you for writing this comment, such a beautiful and cute word/sentiment!!
@@inesdreedy Hello Ines, yes I think so too... and if you want to sound cool in front of your friends, its pronounced ma-mey-la-pin-ought-ta-pay ;)
I felt bad for Karen. She was a good one, she just wasn't Pam.
I liked that the writers brought her back for the Utica episode. Just goes to show the writers liked the character too and allowed her to give Jim is comeuppance he rightly deserved.
@@mindeloman Yeah true
As great as some people are, the chemistry just isn’t always there
Karen > Pam
Pam, is a pathalogical liar. She lead Jim on for years cuz she was bored at her dead end job while being engaged. Karen was nothing but a sweet heart
Karen was so much fun in Stamford!! She also joked around with Jim, spent an entire day to look for chips with him, played cod, switched chairs when it creaked, etc
But when she came to Scranton, suddenly the writers made her super boring. She didn't do any of the fun stuff and silly things she used to. :/
It had to be that way, because Karen entered Pam country, when she transferred to Scranton. Girls don’t always just wanna have fun. 😏
I think it's like when in real life you are out of your confort zone, with people you don't know that well, that you get overshadowed
@@alexandrabruges9321 ahh yes…I hear you. And now I am having flashbacks in my mind, to the 90’s and my high school days. 🥴
Perhaps i was the male version of Karen, back then.
I suppose watching everyone that transferred over with you dropping like flies might squelch your playfulness at work. Plus, she knew about Jim and Pam's situation so that made things a little awkward.
Bad writing
It was actually low-key impressive that the writers didn't do the obvious thing and try to make Karen the obviously inferior choice between her and Pam. They were never going to go full Roy with her, but they could've made it TV-obvious that Karen had nothing to offer Jim. But she obviously did.
I like the fact that they made Karen likeable, attractive, smart, and compatible with Jim, who obviously began liking her while he was at Stamford.
Great point. Tv and movies often make things so one dimensional or black-and-white. So often the other man or other woman is a complete monster with no reason for a main character to date. Real life tends to be more complicated.
I see it as he could have been happy with either. But he'd always think about what-ifs with Karen and not with Pam.
Jim: Are you really gonna marry him?
Pam: yes
*Jim moves and starts dating Karen
Pam : 👁 👄👁
*surprised Pikachu face*
So like Rachel then?
@@DaniTheHero exactly
@@DaniTheHero "We were on a break."
@@theiosif3632 yup “”” they were on a break !!!!!!!! “”””
What makes it even tougher is that Pam had Jim on her finger is season 1-2 but wouldn’t break it off with Roy.
Taste of her own bitter medicine when Karen came into the picture
yah man like she wasnt even married to roy why not just break it off. probably she was living in sin and the sin trapped her with roy.
@@snackpup I think it was so arduous and difficult for Pam to break it off with Roy as she was caught in this cycle of abuse. I don't believe Roy would be physically abusive, but it's more plausible to say he was emotionally towards Pam. This could have shattered her own confidence and reputation, making it that much harder to find the strength to leave Roy.
@@muchotucho8037 yah for sure she should not have been living with him unmarried. if she didnt do that then she would have been more free and brave to say no.
@@muchotucho8037 I get that but also pam knew what she was doing to Jim. She was in the wrong for leading him on in that way and there were numerous times where she pulled back last second from Jim. At the end of the day, pam led Jim on for YEARS. That is 100% a separate thing than her relationship with Roy
Honestly, I'm glad that Karen and Jim broke up because it would have been worse staying with someone who doesn't fully appreciate her. She ended up getting married to someone anyway so I'm sure she was fine :)
Jim dumped Karen...
@@ReadDeadRedemption_ True, I've just edited it :)
she moved to pawnee indiana and became a nurse
@@ernestoagapitogarcesconyad1710 That was the initial idea for Parks and Rec lol
She married a dude who looked just like Jim because she wasn't self aware enough (or too proud) to admit she still liked Jim.
"I didn’t watch the whole documentary. After a few episodes it was too painful. I kept wanting to scream at Pam. It took me so long to do so many important things. It’s just hard to accept that I spent so many years being less happy than I could have been. Jim was five feet from my desk and it took me four years to get to him. It would be great if people saw this documentary and learned from my mistakes. Not that I’m a tragic person, I’m really happy now; but it would just make my heart soar if someone out there saw this and she said to herself ‘Be strong, trust yourself, love yourself, conquer your fears, just go after what you want and act fast because life just isn’t that long.’"
- Pam about Pam being Pam
Everyone in the comments saying they prefer Karen should go back and read/watch this quote again. Jim and Pam are as close to soulmates as people can get. You’re not edgy or different for acting like Karen was better
@@tommccarthy8092 Karen was objectively better for Jim, that’s just not who he wanted 🤷🏾♂️. The whole season 9 conflict occurred because of how different Jim and Pam saw life and Dunder Mifflin. Karen would not have held Jim back to be secure in monotony. What makes jim and Pam work is Jim’s willingness to make Pam happy no matter what even if he’s a little late to pick up on when his gestures are too big or too much. Pam was happy with a nice boring life and Jim wasn’t but Jim is happy with Pam so he made the sacrifice. Most of their relationship was Jim going against what Pam wanted. She didn’t want to be engaged before she finished school but he proposed because he couldn’t wait. He bought his parents house and Pam didn’t even like it, he jumped into the start up in Philly but Pam didn’t even want to leave Scranton. Pam didn’t realize how much she held him back until after a random conversation with Darryl and only then was she worried about not being right for him. Meanwhile Karen had Jim pushing for a better job in New York and part of the reason he didn’t get it was because he just couldn’t get over Pam.
jenna fischer is an absolute master at her craft. i personally think she's one of the best actresses on the show. the way she conveys emotion through her facial expressions is just so spot on and believable.
She absolutely is
I like her face when she is angry
Great actor, shitty character
I actually really liked Karen, she played cod
lmao same and plus she was less sentimental and less awkward than pam like look at pam most of her conversations are awkward
🤘🏽”call of duty!”🤘🏽 -
Karen
they should be playing csgo so that andy could punch his computer in the face
COD sucks, neeeeeeeeerd
Team Karen!
Karen definitely deserved to be in more seasons. The friction she brought to the show really elevated The Office several notches.
@@bensiu687 whether she was written out or had to move for Parks and Rec (Ann, another great character I love), Karen was criminally under used. To think that even Nellie or Gabe had more episodes than Karen is just a pity.
Dude, no way, Parks and Rec.
I do not agree 😂 she just didnt fit in
@@biancamidkiff well, we agree to disagree, then :-)
The Office means different things to different people. It’s such a great show.
@@mohamedfaizan9844 no kidding
I don't understand the hate to Karen or Pam, they are just being humans, with their pros and cons
Based
THANK YOU!
Yeah Karen with the pros and Pam with the cons.
what the pros of beingg cheated? It is obvious that Pam was engaged and still attacked Jim and was jealous. Sometimes I like how their character degenerated by the lastest seasons. It was deserved. They both think they are handsome, as the guy child care said.
If Jim and Pam are considered bad, then everyone else in Scranton would be just as bad, if not worst.
Michael Scott did technically cheat on Jan (Sure that relationship turned out horrible, but that besides the point), why wasn't that called out?
Jenna Fischer is such a great actress, I can feel all the emotions in her acting
Truly
She truly is something special in how she made you feel her every emotion
Too bad she played one of the most insufferably annoying characters in the whole show
She is a great actress. You can see the pain in her eyes whenever pam talks to jim.
Fun fact : Karen's gamertag in cod was karenthejimslayer
LMAO
Hahahaha
Lol I get that.
She friendly fired Jim after she helped him turn around in game. It was WONDERFUL
How Jim didn't see that was pretty hysterical.
I keep seeing comments about people saying they don't understand the hate Karen gets, but I don't see any comment hating on Karen.
It's in general like this is only one part of the community. You found the ones who like Karen
She just wasn't funny nor interesting in the slightest
@@edweer670 ????
@@mrpumavol7.044 Karen .... the aforementioned character, in my opinion, was not funny nor was she interesting in the slightest. I thought what I said was pretty cut-and-dry.
I don't hate Karen, but I think she was rather controlling and suspicious towards the end, which sealed the deal for Jim deciding to break up with her.
I have also long had the feeling that Karen was the one who wouldn't let Jim go to Pam's art show. (Probably in a passive aggressive way), and you can tell from Jim's expression on the beach that that had been torturing him. In general, Karen wouldn't let Jim be friends with Pam, because she regarded Pam as competition.
Now, she was kind of right about that... but the way she acted about the situation only made it more clear that she was the wrong girl. And Pam was the right one.
7:52 When she's smiling up at him and he's looking at her like that... It gets me everytime 😫
It's relatively uncommon to see actors with such a good chemistry showing natural emotions
That Karen & Pam kitchen scene is so awkward I love it
Hey do you have beautiful looking f33t by any chance?
That scene on the deck of the boat man....I completely forgot about it. They barely said a thing but it was so obvious what they were thinking it hurt
Fun fact: creed is singing his own song in the background this. He was in a fairly known band back in the 70’s-80’s
Creed Bratton is none other than...Creed Bratton.
Another fun fact is his real name is William Charles Schneider which he used in the series as the person on who he would transfer his debt/ bankruptcy
And fun fact his band was called the grass roots and that was what his gang drug seller thing was called in the finale of the show
And fun fact i just drink whole bottle of wine and im going to sleep i love the office peace
Fun fact: every single person here knows that
A compilation we didn't know we needed, but absolutely loved it.
There are several lines from The Office that I've found use for in everyday life, and Jim responding to Pam's inquiry about what he plans on doing with Katie with "oh I dunno, dinner, drinks, matching tattoos" is definitely one I've used.
that works if you're dating someone named Katie, but what happens if you're not?
@@pershop4950 it works any time someone asks you what you plan on doing with someone you're dating
I think the reason why Karen was so disliked is because of how LIKABLE she is. She wasn’t the stereotypical mean girl who had it out for Jim’s original love interest. In our eyes Pam felt like the victim of sorts but Karen wasn’t a villain she was more of an innocent bystander. & It would’ve been too easy to make Karen unpleasant which is why it was so hard for people to accept her in my opinion. She was a real threat. The trope of the sought after man being with a witch is a dead give away to the audience that she isn’t gonna stick around for very long & it’s unsettling when it’s the opposite. It made the love story better & made the stakes higher for sure.
What about Phyllis' wedding? When Pam is watching Karen and Jim dance, then Pam and Jim lock eyes 💔
That made me cry genuinely
I WAS THINKING OF THAT
@@caitlinnewbold3303 same
EXACTLY!
Ao som de "Gold fields"... 💔
I never hated Karen but during the whole time that they dated, I was like "I can't wait for Jim and Pam to get together" Karen was nice but my heart belongs to PB&J :(
Pamnutbutter & Jimmy
Pontiac Bandit and Jake? YES!
Jim deserved better tho
@@nehilshrivastava8114 lmao I thought of the same thing too. gotta love when other fandoms meet up in diff show fandoms
@@opheliaa-h10 hell yeahhh
Jim is such a boss, he bags the hottest girls, in the shows and in real life.
He’s handsome and tall, that’s the key
@@eduardomunoz5377 and have just right voice (not too deep, not too sharp), and the coolness, and the smile, the humor
@@eduardomunoz5377 he is also funny which is also the key.
@@SleepIntoTheDiamondLife Yep
@@SleepIntoTheDiamondLife you can have the most boring and unattractive personality but still get women as long as you're physically attractive
5:24 Jim knew better than to fall for that trap lol
Jim was originally supposed to cheat with Kathy.
@@NicoleCzarnecki It's not canon.
@@jorge10928, I know that. The writers kiboshed it at the last minute.
In general, most men know that “Do I look fat in this outfit” questions are no-win situations. It’s almost better to fake a stomach cramp or heart attack than try to answer those.
Jenna plays the role so well, the little gestures, mannerisms of the character's personality; the way Pam gets little boosts of confidence but is still shy. Love her so much. I wish they dragged out Jim and Pam's wedding and showed us more cuteness and more of their relationship away from being at work, but then it wouldn't be called "the Office" if it was too pulled away from scenes happening in the actual office 😅
Karen didn't deserve how she was treated on the show but somehow Ann Perkins' treatment on Parks & Rec makes it feel better.
When jim breaks you down, leslie will pick you back up!
Ann, you poetic, noble land mermaid
Karen got married and had kids. I think they gave her a nice ending.
@@person9815 hehe, Exactly.
@@saltycat662 Yeah, they did well for her in Parks & Rec.
Karen: * says hi to jim*
Pam: * stares with jealousy*
YES!!! Look how gutted Pam was when she saw Karen rubbing Jim's back!
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 And also shows just how she has that "If i cant have them, no one can" attitude
I'm actually proud of the way Jim got Pam back. He also shot her down later and made her realise that he was good. He didn't beg or creep her like Gabe in S7 😂
“Erin, I shaved everything for you”
🤣
ugh don’t even get me started on gabe 😬
@@alexinwonderland5782 Gabe was nice, but they should've just kept him as Michaels boss
why go back to her tho? He could do wayyy better.
I think Pam probably always loved Jim too, but she may not have truly realized it for a long time. When it became apparent that Pam had something deeper with Jim, she was terrified because it meant she was going to have to take a leap of faith and end things with Roy after years of being with him. Anyone who has been in that situation knows that it’s very tough and it’s not a spontaneous decision. For Pam, it took her a while to finally decide to leave Roy for good and finally tell Jim how she felt. I think that’s completely natural and acceptable. I’ve been in a VERY similar situation and it can be extremely confusing at first, but what matters is that clarity slowly reveals itself to you. It takes time to understand your feelings and process declarations of love like that. It takes time (especially for someone like Pam, who starts out being very soft spoken and sort of a “pushover”) to gather enough bravery to become independent and decide they want real change. Therefore, it’s exciting when they finally do make such changes. That’s why one of my favorite episodes is the one where Pam walks on the coals on the beach and then finally tells Jim the truth about her own feelings. It means so much to me personally, as does the entirety of Jim and Pam’s relationship. I know that a lot of people get angry at Pam for turning Jim down at first, but I think it’s a matter of trying to understand the confusing and potentially scary (in an emotional sense) situation she was in. I don’t know if it’s just because I understand her and relate deeply to her, but Pam’s character and story means a lot to me and I thought I should just throw that out there.
I agree 100 % with what you wrote. I think many people on the internet have such cut and dried reactions to how Pam should have acted. They just think you just blow it up and go to the person who you seem to love more. Pam and Roy have been together a long time and Pam's mom likes Roy as shown in a deleted scene. Its not like he was a one night stand. He has been in her life a long time and although not officially married they are like a married couple. It takes a huge amount of courage and selfishness to blow that up for another guy that you joke around with and have a great connection with at work. It is a huge risk although it seems so easy looking at the chemistry they have at work. This happens all the time at workplaces where people will say this is my work wife or husband. The audience only see the Pam and Jim connection but havent seen the Pam and Roy moments when they started dating. Pam is not a user as many think she is - she likes the attention Jim gives her as he makes her drab job so much better. This dynamic happens all the time in the workplace! I can see why Jim falls in love with her so easy but what Pam feels at first is friendship that she loves as much as romantic love. This is why Pam and Jim are such an epic couple. The friendship is so cute and then the love comes as a natural progression. They had to lose each other to realize they couldnt be apart and be truly happy. It took both of them great courage to declare their love and the timing was off for sure but in the end the writers had the right idea. I think many people settle and years later connect with someone that is perfect for them. That doesnt mean you run to that person and leave what you have. It just isnt that simple! And it isnt realistic. Jim provided a contrast for Pam as what her life could be and after he left I think she realized that Roy wasnt going to change and she was going to find her Jim. Nice that he moved back so that she got the original!
People on internet doesn't have the EQ to understand the hurdles that pam had to overcome, me being girl i understood readily
Jim broke up with Amy Adams. Nobody stood a chance in front of his love for Pam!
He did?!
hehe, they brought Amy Adam in the show just to confuse us for a while.
Amy's character in the show was a bit cringe tho
it was satisfying seeing Pam getting jealous nd hurt, at least now she knows what Jim went through in first two seasons
Well it wasnt 'satisfying' for me at least but it was right
@@hyunseoklee4027 it was for me. I enjoyed every bit of it. She deserved that
@@ijustdey didn’t Jim flirt with Pam WHILE she was engaged?
6 years actually.
i agree.
"I don't care what they say about me. I just want to eat." - Pam Beesly
Which is a lot to ask for at a dinner party
Do you really think Angela is jealous of our baby?
I don’t know, I’m just hungry
@@yodukenukemWELL YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY
4:52
Instead of saying huge, it was a missed opportunity to say they're...
_Jan-ormous_
True supreme leader
I always loved the awkward silence between Jim and Pam like the one on the booze cruise. It’s very disturbing but I don’t want it to end 🤣
I've always believed and observed that in many couples "that are just friends", one wants to be more than just friends. I've seen it play out that way many times.
unpopular opinion: karen deserved better
edit: **popular opinion😉
I don’t think it’s unpopular
Not unpopular
Karen dodged a bullet.
Yeah honestly
Karen was cool, liked her better than Pam tbh.
The directors, camera person, writers and actors in the last few clips are highly skilled.. amazing
Mose is the valet, you have to give him your car.
*takes toby’s car and drives straight into corn*
Haha it was so funny he ran straight into the crops and then tried the jump stunt over cars
Not Pam wanting Jim to flash her. 😂
That killed me
@@BlackDiamond2718 LMFAO
And she also low key wanted him to be beat up 😂 talk about tangled emotions
@@zazzifizzle reall
09:14 When Ryan was the new guy before getting infected by the Michael virus he always had this "what is wrong with these people" expression.
And then he became the craziest of them all 😂
New york changes a man
According to Jim...Karen never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Lmao
Wtf? TH-cam is really a hivemind. I have been binging sopranos these last few weeks and the one video that's not it it's still referenced
I’m crying 😭😭
Wow! I see you are a man of culture.
Small hands that was her problem
Whenever Pam has to lie about something that's important to her she often shakes her head involuntary like she's protesting against her own words. Like on 6:39 she calls Cathy "super nice" and says that "Cathy and Jim are so cute together" - and immediately shakes her head, so in fact she hates Cathy and doesn't like seeing her with Jim. But she nods when she says that the car is adorable, so that's her genuine opinion.
Katy*
It is common to not understand and value the love and care you get from someone till you have them. Moment they are gone, you realise their true value. Pam never seemed to understand how much Jim loved her till she "lost" him
to Karen. Luckily for Pam, Jim came back and she got second chance, not many people get that second chance.
I hated the way Jim treated Karen. Karen was lovely, and Jim used her basically as an emotional shield when he came back to Scranton. Plus, to leave her in NYC without a way to get home was just horrid. I don't blame Karen at all for being angry when Jim, Michael, and Dwight went to her branch. She really was the bigger person when she congratulated Pam on the engagement.
Karen had friends in new york, she went to lunch with them while Jim had his interview.
Are you saying that you hate Jim? (Just asking, I fully respect your opinion)
amy adams's brief performance as katie has always stuck out as quite memorable to me. i love her acting--she is really good at this style too, she adds a realness to her character that feels so natural
Pam's face when she gets jealous:Puppy
Her mind:'Instant kill activate'
Edit:I know nothing about this series but I was there in 36 seconds after this was uploaded
Underrated
Its just that sometimes two ppl are meant to be with each other. They are so attracted and fond of each other's company that how much ever they try dating newer ppl, it still can't match that level of connection and bond and when they get even slightest chance of being with each other they don't miss. I think that is shown by jim and pam .It was nobody's fault. Jim and pam always felt comfortable and easy and their chemistry had always been palpable. It was not Pam's fault either. Humans are bunch of fucked up mammals. In Pam's word from the office " They never just got the timing right".
Pam opening up not only to Jim and Karen but the whole office in that last segment was truly sad, beautiful and brave. I think is hard to fight for the love of someone but it's the most hard to fight for the friendship of someone and in this case is both.
pam helping jim with his problem with karen was one of pams best moments and jim rejecting pams gift was one of jims worst moments
I love how the camera always falls on Pam looking at Jim. That camera crew were total pros.
Or it was in the script that they would film Pam's reaction to things so in reality, it's the writers who had that idea to film that reaction.
Okay guys in the comments, we get it… you’re not smarter than everyone for not hating Karen
Literally every comment here has been:
Person 1: Unpopular opinion: Karen was better
Person 2: Man, Karen was a lot better than Pam.
Person 3: Karen was WAY better than Pam!
Person 4: I actually liked Karen a lot more than Pam
Person 5: Jim should have stayed with Pam.
Person 6: She just wasn't Pam
@@pogisdog let’s make that a meme on all office vids unrelated to Pam or karen
literally every comment is “unpopular opinion: i actually didn’t hate karen” it’s not unpopular if you have 100’s of people saying the same thing 😐
Also getting a real incel vibe from ppl that are like "pam deserved it because she was such a terrible person for not breaking up with roy" like jim was entitled to her bc he wanted her and is nice, and like pam wasnt in a problematic/abusive relationship and it is typically very hard for ppl to recognize and escape those situations
@@rachelrachel9152 so cheating on Roy was good solution for escaping from the abusive relationship , wow u have provided the greatest solution , femcels supporting women who are cheaters no suprise there of course . Roy reacted crazy but does that make this cheatie pie any less cheater , no it doesn't , it's simply Karen was good but all Jim Pam suckers had to be satisfied as if they are eternal couple by the writers. Just becoz pam is cute and cries for everything doesn't make her any good may u should know that .
The passive aggressiveness is what makes me laugh cry and crying whilst dying inside for Karen
The one scene in Ben Franklin episode where Pam & Karen confront each other is awkward tho. Karen had no patience with her after hearing about the whole crush Jim still has.
Only scene in the show where it’s pure uncomfortable, tense cringe. Every other cringe scene is funny in some sort of way, but this pure awkward tension for the sake of it.
Micro aggressions? Wtf?
@@dangerdan2592 when Karen is talking to Pam you can tell she low key hates her
@@tomato2517 scott's tots?
F your lame micro aggressions
„ooh I‘m saying a lot of things“ is such a mood
I’ve always loved the scene on the boat. Jim’s face looks like he wants to say a billion things but he’s not even sure how he would even say them to begin with. Pam looks hopeful that he’ll say something along the lines of “it sucks” I believe Pam was going to make a move on Jim but seen he clearly was too confused with his feelings so she decided to walk off with the excuse “I’m cold” I’ve noticed Pam makes excuses for things to be distracted or to just not say or do something when she’s really nervous. I don’t believe I’m correct at all but it’s a theory I play with every time I watch it.
4:02 would have been such a power move if Pam left it at "oh, yeah" and just walked off.
TH-cam: Every time Pam was jealous
Me: This video ain’t long enough
I was waiting for the talking head where she was like “I feel like I’m talking really loudly! Am I talking really loudly?”
So I’ve never seen The Office, and had always assumed it was a silly comedy. Looking at these clips I’m amazed at how emotionally rich the characters are. The acting is subtle, superb, and real. And yes it is funny when they choose to make it funny
It was my thoughts exactly and three months ago I finally gave it a chance as wasnt into over the top humour. Fast forward till now and this show has become maybe my fav show of all time. I know it is not everyone's cup of tea and I tell people you may not get past 5 shows. But for me and who knows why the human connections that run through the comedy are some of the best ever and one would never expect a comedy to pull this off. The clips you are watching are from the couple that is Jim and Pam. I consider them the most realistic, relatable and romantic couple in TV history and I am not young anymore so have watched a lot of TV. Im sure this is a bold statement for many. John Krasinski and Jenna Fischer just flat out own these roles and have chemistry that is so subtle and perfect that 100 years from now they will be iconic!
Rashida Jones is such a queen. Love her in everything she's in.
feeling blessed they removed Karen from The Office. I genuinely cannot imagine Parks and Recs without Rashida. It's not a surprise that the show ended the season after she left, Ann and Leslie's friendship were the glue holding Parks and Recs together.
I've never watch this tv show but It seems to be one of the greatest comedy tv show around. I love the fact that there's none laughing track in it. Just like in malcolm in the middle.
0:50 I wish these two were young forever. So adorable.
Legally Blond is literally a fantastic movie
Huhhh 😭
2:33 might be one of the saddest moments of the office
Her expression and tone when she says "Oh yeah" when she's still interested in Jim is so cute
The way Jim looks at Pam kissing Roy at 7:04 is god-level acting!!!
The camera work is incredibly smooth.
I’ve never hated Karen. She just got stuck in the middle of two people that didn’t know what they wanted. Some of my favourite episodes are with Karen Post-Break-Up, she is totally justified in disliking Jim and that’s hilarious to me.
I remember when she said she cried over Jim for a long time but felt better when she saw Jim looking like an idiot being roped into a scheme by the same boss at the same location while she got to move on to better things.
I don't think she disliked Jim. Later, she assumed that he had wanted to see her, and reaction to hearing about Jim's engagement was... telling. Sadly, she was hurt by him.
For the people who think Pam wasn't good, let me remind you one thing "Pam was the only friend of Michael." It was Pam who helped Michael when Michael found out about Holly's boyfriend. Cause Pam knew how both Michael and Holly felt at that time. Because both Pam and Jim went through that.
freaking gosh dang it i cant watch this straight. i keep pausing and getting all worked up cause jenna is such a good actress and i cant help but feel pent up frustration while watching all of these moments XD
Yep, Jenna is such a good actress.
I found Karen to be a nice person who liked a guy and wanted to go out with him. She then finds out he and and another girl kissed and tries to get past it. Then she can tell he's in love with the other girl and he confirms it. She even tries to get through that and when she thinks they are moving forward he dumps her and he goes out with the other girl. Jim and Pam were meant to be together, but Karen was a victim of their bad timing.
For sure, great analysis.
Jenna can “suffer” like nobody, amazing actress.
Giving each other DVDs as gifts, what a time 2006 was. Can't do that anymore, everyone has NETFLIX, HBO AND HULU. LOL
Yeah the show didn't age well. Well I guess no older shows age well. They were using flip phones and iPods I forget how long ago 2005/2006 was.
Imagine custom made cassette tapes back in the 80s.... good times 😆
3:38 this was so painful to watch
why does no one understand that the point of their storyline is this huge growth that Pam experiences. It wouldn’t make sense for her to break it off with Roy when she when she couldn’t even see how bad it was while it was happening. she needed a reality check to make her confident enough to say something! and jealousy is a given sometimes, love isn’t always pretty
Everyone in the comments: WHY DID THEY GET RID OF KAREN SHE WAS THE BEST CHARACTER IN THE WHOLE SHOW
Me: *Couldn’t be happier when Jim and her broke up*
I love how Pam actually was jealous even when they were nothing. You can't hide real love 😂
Are we forgetting that she cheated on her engaged husband and didnt tell him about it, and not feeling regret?
Real love dont mean jack if you're just a rebound for someone else's failed love lives
I'm surprised how Pam managed to keep it together when Jim was dating Karen cos obviously her feelings for Jim was so intense..
That's a strong survivor/fighter trait
She later told Michael that she had wanted to quit.
The silence in the booze cruise scene speaks VOLUME
Jenna Fischer is such an underrated actress as the subtle way she reacts to Jim when he cant hang out with her is sooo well done. Some of the dialogue and her eyes are so believable like when she cant play pranks with him anymore or he tells her he is going out with Amy Adams gal and she is helping Roy move. It is so awkward but so real! I clicked on this video thinking here we go the Pam haters will be all over this. After watching it and reading the comments i came to a couple of conclusions. First my word Jenna Fischer owns the role of Pam - I know I typed this earlier - but she is vulnerable funny awkward jealous and REAL. I cant imagine I would watch this show without her because yes in a world of Steve Rainn and John she can hold her own! Second Karen was a good character and no one should hate her. She was unfortunately put in the middle of a couple with chemistry that I have rarely if ever seen on tv. When Karen is so likeable and still you need her to step aside you know Pam and Jim have something special ...... and they do! Its called called acting chemistry. Thirdly the majority of comments on this site are spot on- no hate for either Pam or Karen and the reality of the situation. Plus the fact that these are great scenes from a great show. So nice to read thoughtful and non polarizing opinions.
She literally checks with Pam while dating him of it is okay that they are dating, after Pam was the only one to do anything wrong.
Put some love on this woman.
Pam is so warm, cozy, and homely. Gosh I wish I had a wife like her.
and she would probably cheat on you
@Coffee Nut ☕️ only in the US.
@@anothergg2692 somebody has gotten hurt bad 🤣
@@ayushiag2219 No, because thats what she did, she made out with Jim whilst engaged and she didnt pull away or tell anyone about it - didnt even feel guilty about it
Thats called cheating - no sugarcoating around it
You'd later regret that if you did
She'd probably kiss or sleep with Jim behind your back
Jenna is such a great actress. I’m heartbroken everytime Pam has a teary eye.
Pam's hair in the initial season was very genuine, natural beauty.
Without overthinking it, I think Pam and Jim’s relationship is beautiful bc it had so many things in the way and yet it flowered. They struggled but they got there because they knew they were The One for each other. And even when they married, their marriage wasn’t perfect because they are flawed human beings. And aren’t we all?
John and Jenna are just special together as actors. They are effortlessly in character every scene
Seasons 2 and 3 were the absolute peak of the show, and the reason was that the balance between all the carachters was perfect, especially the one between Jim and Pam. The show was still great until about seasons 6 and 7, but was never able to top the early seasons because of that balance.
I love the clip at 1:30, she's visualizing seeing Jim's junk, LOL... "I am saying a lot of things".