Probably Michael. Once tried to kiss Pam, asked his new girlfriend to marry him, Date Mike, made fun of Kevin's girlfriend, didn't appreciate Meredith's kink for terrorists etc etc
Jim. Michael definitely got himself into unethical relationships (including one in which he dated his employee’s mom), though Jim actively worked to sabotage Pam’s relationship with Roy and her familial support network.
When Kathy bends over to get into the mini fridge, Jim looks everywhere except at her. He’s very obviously uncomfortable. He doesn’t want to hurt her feelings, but Kathy is oblivious to the fact that Jim is madly in love with his wife & uninterested in Kathy
Michael messing up that phone call with Terry immediately even after making up an elaborate story never fails to make me cackle with laughter. If someone asks me to define Michael Scott with one scene, this will be it for me.
Cathy was the most diabolical. Her entire goal was just to slam Jim and bust that marriage up. My favorite moment involving her is when she was trying to make more decorations for a party with Pam and Kelly said, "dont let her help" Kelly's sixth sense for drama was used for the greater good, for once.
That Jim and Pam fight always gets me, it’s a fight that most couples know well. One tries their best to move their family forward and the other tries to keep the household running intact.
Yes, and then when they finally makeup and have that long needed reconciliation, it makes the waterworks run even harder. They realized it wasn’t Pam vs. Jim, it was Pam and Jim vs the problem
I don't know, every time my wife and I watch that season, it always comes across like Pam isn't supportive of Jim taking that job, even though she knows he doesn't want Dunder Mifflin to be his life, and even after he supported her in going to art school, and quitting with Michael, and I'm pretty sure I'm missing something else. Even this scene about the dance recital came across like she didn't record it out of spite, a mom doesn't know how to record her kid on her phone? Realistically how do you record the intro and outro, but completely miss the the whole performance in between? Then act like it's no big deal? I know it's blasphemous to say, but I always thought Jim and Karen were a better fit. Especially after this whole storyline.
@@GeekExtremist my mom and other moms I've seen do exactly what Pam does. She only manages to film the intro or the outro cuz that's the only time she's concentrating on only recording. If your child is performing something that means a lot to you, you'd have your full attention watching/supporting and wouldn't notice if your phone or cam isn't actually recording the performance. It's just how excited they are to watch their child perform. It probably doesn't help that older people aren't as tech savvy.
@@GeekExtremist She probably clicked record early by accident and then when she went to click record when the show actually started it stopped recording, then when the show ended she clicked to stop the recording but since it was stopped before, it actually just started recording again. That's how you get just the intro and outro. I'd put it down to lack of attention, she was managing the house+kid+work all by herself and probably very excited but overworked for this recital, its a very easy mistake to make, plus most of her focus would be on her kid up on stage. There's no big scheme, Pam may not have liked Jim taking that job but she never would've done that to Jim on purpose, you've grossly misjudged her character.
I agree. He didn’t help in any of the pranks, Maradith’s car accident, Dwight’s car accident, Stanley’s heart attack, etc. But he did it to get into Pam’s good graces.
@@mrwonderfilled What is Criminal Damage to Property? The crime of damage to property is committed when a person intentionally causes damage to the property of another person without the other person’s permission. Rat.
@@hammurds he left him with a stranger to convince kelly to run away with him. There was no way he actually knew for a certain Kelly would (I mean, really though... we knew that was coming) he then proceeded to run away, leaving the baby abandoned with a total stranger. Up until him running off, he hadn't actually abandoned the baby.
kathy for sure - not just because she was trying to break up a marriage with kids, but because jim was clearly sending signals he wasn't interested and she kept pushing. he straight up told her it was inappropriate and she gaslit him into thinking HE was being disrespectful and guilt-tripped him into sitting closer to her. imagine how scary that scene would've been if she was a guy - harrassment goes both ways, i felt really bad for jim
@@Scratchingforcashdid u even watch the show, jim and pam had a chemistry that wasn’t unmatched, kathy didn’t fit in at all, she was annoying and was just trying to get in peoples pants, jim and pam have a bond and a history that is irreplaceable, they understand eachother
Ryan is probably the worst offender. He broke up Kelly and Darryl (who, granted, wasn't too upset about it), then immediately ran off to "Thailand," he tried to get Kelly to break off a happy, functional relationship with Ravi because "I'd rather she be alone than with somebody," and he finally succeeded in breaking up Kelly's happy marriage by giving his son an allergic reaction and abandoning him.
"Hey, what up, Cynthia!"😂 "Hang on a second, Cynthia!"🤣 After all that deep plot he made up lmao. Pam and Jim were extremely confident of his mess up. 😆
I think my favorite thing is the accuracy of the pepper spray incident- a lot of people don't realize that when you spray it EVERYONE around is affected, not just the person you spray it on, especially in close quarters.
Words can't describe how much I despise Kathy. Not just for every slimy move she TRIED to make on Jim. But also the fact she KNOWS HIS WIFE. She smiles in Pam's face at work EVERY day, but soon as she's away, trying to get with her partner? THAT'S what's most grimy about her. She actually expected to sleep with Jim & BOTH of them return to work, smile in Pam's face and act like nothing happened and probably keep doing it.... no one is more grimy than someone SMILING in your face but doing grimy things behind your back.
I feel like I would've been more mad at Jim cheating with KATHY, than anyone else (even though either would be upsetting). But Kathy just defines the word "unlikeable" too much. She's not even SLIGHTLY funny. Can't stand her. She makes Erin seem likeable, even Nelly who I absolutely loathed at one point..... but NO ONE is worse, more unlikeable or more forgettable than Kathy.
When you're in a relationship, cheating for the first time is a massive barrier ( if you aren't completely evil). I imagine it's a line that's hard to cross but once you do, you've already done it. Each consecutive time the consequences feel less intense and the line feels less and less real.
The whole Brian saga was so weird. Going meta with it after so many seasons just felt really awkward, and threatening for Jim or Pam to cheat on each other felt like cheap soap-opera drama bait
The idea of having romantic competition with Jim in the form of a documentary crew member isn't a terrible idea. What is a terrible idea is having romantic competition with JIm in the form of a character with no personality or development. Brian being this flawless J-crew model type guy swooping in only to be perfectly supportive and heroic is such a kick in the face to actual story telling and character building within Jim and Pam's relationship. Jim isn't a perfect guy, we've seen him at his worst. Maybe Brian's a way worse guy than Jim, we don't know because Brian has no screen time.
I actually disagree wholeheartedly. That whole plot line felt so viscerally real to me, and I'm sure resonated with a ton of people. That is how it works sometimes. There's a background person, been there all along, maybe known you for years, but all it takes is an opportunity for that person to sweep in and try to get what they want.
@@TheDuality0fMan yeah man I gotta agree with you. It's not so much that Brian never got screen time or what have you, and maybe he IS not a great man. We don't know. But that is life exactly man. You make a tough choice, you leave your spouse alone, the time/distance cuts into your relationship in usually the worst ways. Sometimes, that's a person literally "behind the scenes" finally feeling like they can make their move. I also think that this Jim has a ton of personality, more than we've ever seen I'd venture. He's a tired man, his true (finally imperfect) colours are showing, and while he won't acknowledge that some part of him enjoys his job just for the heck of it, he is somewhat torn because he knows that part of the choice to do it is because he's sitting on a winning lottery ticket and he didn't want to let life pass him (or his family by). You sympathise for Jim AND Pam. You're a little angry at Jim AND Pam. Brian to me, is the symbol of the fact that life happens to a marriage. Jim choosing Pam and his kids over Philly to me, is a symbol of sacrifice that is unimaginable but needed for all marriages, and Pam finally selling the house and moving her family to Philly is a symbol of accepting that sacrifice runs both ways. Life happened to them, and love won in a couple of different ways. I didn't mean to type something super long, but this is one my all-time favourite arcs and depictions of marriage in a sitcom. Love won, but it wasn't pretty. Everyone made mistakes, and everyone made sacrifices. And by grace, love won. And that, is actually life.
@@josiahgosyne6495 well said. I think the hate for that arc comes from the fact it is such a break from the usual comical treatments of relationship issues, on top of the fact it happens to Jim and Pam, the gold standard for couples on the show (to most people).
@@TheDuality0fMan oh yeah for sure man. In some ways, I kind of love that the writers, wrote it so that the "gold standard" went through this trial. Cause as I'm sure you know, there is no "gold standard" in life man. It's usually just broken people, working real hard to make it work. I appreciate you 🙏
@@NicoleCzarnecki Ryan wasn't flirting with that little girl though, the daughter had a crush on Ryan and it made him SUPER uncomfortable - the sabotage was Kelly telling Stanley that it was Ryan being creepy when he wasnt
I dont know which is the more idiotic? The writers thinking it would be smart to have Pam or Jim cheat or people who watch the show thinking Pam and Brian had any kind of connection other than he was in love with her. Did she lead him on ? NO! Did she have a break down in front of him and he felt bad for her . YES! I have watched TV for 50 years and Pam must be the most maligned and unfairly judged character in TV history as the attempts to vilify her are so pathetic. Yes she flirted with Jim at work like others do and it was more playful than anything until Jim took it to another level. That whole arc is very realistic. The Cathy/Brian red herrings were lazy and stupid putting at risk a relationship that was carefully crafted and truly believable. To destroy this couple for a final season attempt at ratings and drama was truly ludicrous and thank goodness John was so aware of the importance of consistency in the characters and this couples importance in the show's success!
Well said. There’s a certain subsection of this shows audience who’ll proceed to great lengths to impugn Pam’s moral character on the slightest of premises. It’s not a credible argument to make given the totality of evidence that points the other way, but these types are nevertheless always attempting to advance this warped viewpoint about Pam, as well as Jim. It’s a major reason why I’ve never even slightly delved into the shows fan community, ‘cause it’s a position that’s just a bit too prevalent among the shows watchers.
I would agree with you if it wasn't for Pam's pattern of feeling unhappy for a bit and crying on the attractive guy's shoulder. What doesn't sit right with me about Pam is that Jim is always so patient with her, but she doesn't seem to return the favor. Jim is in Philly trying to make a better life for him and his family for all of what, a month before she starts crying on Brian's shoulder? While Jim waited for Pam for a year for her to quit art school? Meanwhile, he was supportive of her and wanted her to experience the entirety of art school. Idk. I feel like people unfairly vilify Jim more than Pam. Pam's vilification is somewhat justified.
@@davidstierwalt2981 Pam went to art school before they were even engaged (and Jim persuaded her to go, it was a mutual decision). Jim started the business in Philly without Pam's knowledge and when they had two young children together. It's a bit different. Neither are villains, they're just normal humans who make mistakes.
@@ItsMeEllenB Oh, I totally agree that they're normal humans who make mistakes. I guess "villain" is a strong word when describing either one of them. And I think the reason Jim didn't say anything to Pam about Philly was because he knew she wouldn't be supportive, but Jim is nothing but supportive of Pam throughout the entire show. Idk. And she was timidly supportive after he proved the company's legitimacy until she couldn't take it anymore, which is completely understandable. I just think she went about it the wrong way with crying on Brian's shoulder and inviting him to their dinner date they had setup. It sort of felt like it was finally Jim's turn to do something he was passionate about that could also be a much better job than selling paper, but he never really got to see it through. Instead, he hightails it back to Scranton because, as he has always stated throughout the show, Pam is the most important thing in his life.
i am so glad they didnt have jim or pam cheat on each other, it’s so idiotic and would have been unnecessary- especially seeing how it would have thrown away the incredible relationship jim and pam built over each season
Dude, Jenna did that scene SOOOO good and perfect... when her and Jim are arguing on the phone. WOW 😮 I have been there, exactly there, the argument (different topic but same emotion) she was so real!!! The look on her face was exactly how I felt when it happened to me.😢
The Brian and Cathy characters both seemed straight from central casting. Selling the concept of Jim and Pam cheating on each other would have required a LOT more character development. A LOT.
People and things like that do exist though. I've been around people who were explicit homewreckers; they didn't even know the person well or cared they were in monogamous relationships, they blatantly stated their goal was to lay them and not care about the consequences. And you'd be naive to think that a "strong" couple isn't vulnerable; every relationship and person has weak moments (esp when you commit to full monogamy and everything is about "devotion", "faithfulness" etc). The Brian plotline was designed to show that. Yes obviously they love each other but, at a moment of vulnerability in the relationship (stress from disrupted family life, tension building, partner goes through something traumatic without the other there to support them) it's easy to have doubts and feel attraction toward someone who does provide support. I can speak from personal experience having been away from my partner for a long time due to work that it happens (though the difference is we are in full agreement that we are "open" in our relationship and are fully transparent and honest about what we do while we're apart). The Cathy plotline was different because there were no stakes; at that point Jim and Pam's relationship was fine and there was no reason for Jim to want to cheat, so it was easy for him to reject it. The plot point was nothing more than Cathy being a homewrecker which, as I said above, is something that is very plausible.
@@Zzyzzyzzs This is true until you realize that Brain is some generic j-crew type of guy swooping in to "save" pam. It felt super manipulative to have him do that as his introduction. I feel like it is a bit too rushed to show him there. I think brain would have worked much better in a season 4-5 rather than 9 since so much time had passed to get there. Meta textually he works but in practice he is rushed and a nothing burger character.
I like that Stanley's tone isn't judgmental but a warning from someone who has been down the same road before and, while he isn't really going to change, there is a part of him that wishes he'd made different choices so he's sharing that bit of wisdom with what he perceives to be the old him, before he started cheating. Because he's right- it is surprisingly easy to do if you let yourself
That argument at 11:30 really hit home because when I saw it i was divorced after a deployment and that was basically the conversation and there was so many ways for him to bail out and change the feelings that i should have took at the time.
I don’t think he wanted to break them up. He just wanted them to break up themselves. He wasn’t really trying to make them end it. The only thing he ever did was tell Pam that he was in love with her and then when she said she was going to marry Roy. He left that’s not trying to break them up
I forgot how ham-fisted the Jim/Pam/Brian drama was. The clear "Uh oh, numbers are down, we need to spice things up, how about we take the one thing everyone loved about the series and break it up?"
Exactly. That whole fight over the phone was not believable (for them). They should have made Jim more passive-aggressive (like this: "well, you said you could work the camera, and now that's another moment we can't get back... *big sigh* Look... I gotta go" and hang up). They wrote in too much "Roy."
Looking at this fight scene on the phone after seeing it three times...it feels fake. Obviously, it is fake, but for a show with two very well-established, well-performed, and well-loved characters, I didn't feel like there was any real conflict here. Throwing another home wreaker into the mix was also very forced; Brian was one of the worst inclusions in the show. I felt that their failed dinner in Philadelphia when Jim just assumed that Pam wanted to move there was a much more convincing reason to cause their marriage to become rocky. Acting, character, everything about that scene was so much more convincing; the subtlety of their reactions is spot-on.
I'm happy they didn't go the route of Roy being not over Pam and trying to win her back at Jim and Pam's wedding. He moved on, got better with his anger, found a love that made him a better man and was successful. He wasn't a good partner with Pam, but he still got cheated on.
Hey, what up Cynthia?" scene is just iconic. The build-up, Michael's delivery, his reaction, Jim hanging up the call in disbelief, everything about that scene is comedy gold. I still laugh just thinking about it😂😂😂
9:50 crazy how real this is. Reminds me of when I asked my ex if she took videos of her with my family. I could go cause of work but she did go and told her to take pictures with my grandparents that were leaving the next day. She totally forgot bc she was having fun with my family. I was mad when i called her after my shift at 12am. I’m 100% all that excitement she was waiting to tell me died when my tone changed after she forgot to take pictures. Now I just regret it. That pretty summed up why she broke up with me. I Regret it since that day. Work really stresses you tf out! I quit soon after the breakup bc I just could bare going to my car on lunch and the memories of me calling her telling her I love her before she went to bed. My advice, don’t let the small things go or else you’ll be regretting it big time.
Does Jim makes a formal complaint to HR? Or does he avoids confrontation as always? If he didn't talk to Toby then that's it, the film crew can't intervene in those people's lives.
To be fair Toby isn't a great HR rep and has actively shown opposition to Jim and Pam's relationship so he probably wouldn't had done jack squat about it. Him being a crappy rep is the reason dwight fired him at the end of the next season.
I have to say though, Andy sabotaging Erin and Plop's relationship has to be one of THE FUNNIEST moments in The Office, you know the later seasons .. That and him coming back from the 3 month boat thing were definitely top 5 of my favourite moments by him on the show 😅
I love to see the self righteous know it alls give advice when they are in a better place than you. It’s great to see them eat their words. I love the whole situation of Andy’s revenge
Plus, all Andy did was some fact checking after storing away some questionable info.😈 Edit - I forgot the part with Gabe showing up lol, ok, Andy was pushing back lol Edit 2 - Rewatching it again...Really hate people repeatedly telling me to get over it, ignoring both my feelings and processing ability. Erin's not bright enough to understand what she's repeating.
The biggest storyline of relationship sabotage is Jim stealing Pam from Roy, yet, it's nowhere in this video. The more I rewatch the show, the more I realize how much Jim overstepped and that Roy had every right to be angry.
about Jim and Pam's storyline, I liked it bc it shows how real marriages work, what I hate is people only blame Pam saying she's selfish and Jim deserves better when, yes, he was doing it for his family and all, but at the time he was leaving his wife and little kids unattended bc of his ambition. I love Jim but they both had things to work on, and people only see the things Pam did wrong and they hate on her when she was the most real character, that's how people work, people are afraid of change and need time to processthe stuff that's going on and there's nothing wrong with it
Who was the WORST relationship saboteur? 😈
Kathy
Probably Michael. Once tried to kiss Pam, asked his new girlfriend to marry him, Date Mike, made fun of Kevin's girlfriend, didn't appreciate Meredith's kink for terrorists etc etc
@@abuibuI don’t think anybody appreciates merediths kink for terrorists
Cathy.
Jim. Michael definitely got himself into unethical relationships (including one in which he dated his employee’s mom), though Jim actively worked to sabotage Pam’s relationship with Roy and her familial support network.
Jim slowly sliding off the bed always gets me💀
Jim is me but not when I’m cheating. Just normally how I am with a girl
When Kathy bends over to get into the mini fridge, Jim looks everywhere except at her. He’s very obviously uncomfortable. He doesn’t want to hurt her feelings, but Kathy is oblivious to the fact that Jim is madly in love with his wife & uninterested in Kathy
Michael messing up that phone call with Terry immediately even after making up an elaborate story never fails to make me cackle with laughter. If someone asks me to define Michael Scott with one scene, this will be it for me.
i love how it is actually a great plan but he messes it up instantly 😂
@@Vitoria-ji6tq we all knew that he's going to mess it up. But the timing of it is what makes the scene funnier.
@@Jayhayjay777 How did I never catch that being the joke? I'm slow lol
My wife and I absolutely watch that scene for the laughter!!!!
Cathy was the most diabolical. Her entire goal was just to slam Jim and bust that marriage up. My favorite moment involving her is when she was trying to make more decorations for a party with Pam and Kelly said, "dont let her help" Kelly's sixth sense for drama was used for the greater good, for once.
That and she gaslights Jim when he brings it up, then keeps trying immediately after
I was pretty unsure if she really liked him or was just being too overly friendly
But now I feel dumb for not getting it 😭
Didn't she even said in the episode that she wouldn't have anything to do in Florida, so she is basically trying to sleep with him out of boredom?
What episode did Kelly said for Cathy not to help with party decorations?
@@jacobramirez2184^^^
I’m so glad John Kransinki was against the cheating angle in the show and went against it
What
@@gaurangverma5470 They wanted Jim to cheat on Pam with the girl in the video and John Krasinki the guy who plays him said no
That's nice lol
That’s actually a false rumour!
@@hoteppinder1218 they actually wanted Pam to cheat on him with the sound guy and they would divorce
It’s hilarious how confident Pam and Jim were that Michael would F up the call with Terri 😂
Well, it ain't like they're new there lol
Terry***
Yeah like they have eyes
Terri? You mean Cynthia?
@@edwardnjogu159 Sorry about that Cynthia.
That Jim and Pam fight always gets me, it’s a fight that most couples know well. One tries their best to move their family forward and the other tries to keep the household running intact.
Yes, and then when they finally makeup and have that long needed reconciliation, it makes the waterworks run even harder. They realized it wasn’t Pam vs. Jim, it was Pam and Jim vs the problem
I don't know, every time my wife and I watch that season, it always comes across like Pam isn't supportive of Jim taking that job, even though she knows he doesn't want Dunder Mifflin to be his life, and even after he supported her in going to art school, and quitting with Michael, and I'm pretty sure I'm missing something else. Even this scene about the dance recital came across like she didn't record it out of spite, a mom doesn't know how to record her kid on her phone? Realistically how do you record the intro and outro, but completely miss the the whole performance in between? Then act like it's no big deal?
I know it's blasphemous to say, but I always thought Jim and Karen were a better fit. Especially after this whole storyline.
@@GeekExtremistI agree with you.
@@GeekExtremist my mom and other moms I've seen do exactly what Pam does. She only manages to film the intro or the outro cuz that's the only time she's concentrating on only recording. If your child is performing something that means a lot to you, you'd have your full attention watching/supporting and wouldn't notice if your phone or cam isn't actually recording the performance. It's just how excited they are to watch their child perform. It probably doesn't help that older people aren't as tech savvy.
@@GeekExtremist She probably clicked record early by accident and then when she went to click record when the show actually started it stopped recording, then when the show ended she clicked to stop the recording but since it was stopped before, it actually just started recording again. That's how you get just the intro and outro. I'd put it down to lack of attention, she was managing the house+kid+work all by herself and probably very excited but overworked for this recital, its a very easy mistake to make, plus most of her focus would be on her kid up on stage. There's no big scheme, Pam may not have liked Jim taking that job but she never would've done that to Jim on purpose, you've grossly misjudged her character.
It's really weird how after all the stuff they've filmed over the years, Brian only decides to intervene after a normal argument between spouses
he didn't intervene when kevin dropped his chilli. thats the real indictment
I agree. He didn’t help in any of the pranks, Maradith’s car accident, Dwight’s car accident, Stanley’s heart attack, etc. But he did it to get into Pam’s good graces.
@@darkpaw1522he was tryna pipe
@@darkpaw1522and when angela wanted to see oscar DEAD
Because before that they weren't friends. Jim and Pam & Brian and Alyssa became friends... At some point. So he intervened to console a friend.
I love how Michael doesn’t even care that Stanley is destroying his car 😂😂😂
Surprising Stanley got away with it and didn't end up in prison showers like Prison Mike
Honestly I think he knew he fucked up and it was better having Stanley trash his car rather than hurting him. Plus he knew he definitely deserved it.
@@mrwonderfilled it would be criminal damage
I mean it is a company car 😂
@@mrwonderfilled What is Criminal Damage to Property?
The crime of damage to property is committed when a person intentionally causes damage to the property of another person without the other person’s permission.
Rat.
"Ive finally mastered commitment" *proceeds to leave baby with a total stranger*
You didn't let him finish ..
I think that preceded him saying that
Let's face it, that baby would be better off with Nellie
@@hammurds he left him with a stranger to convince kelly to run away with him. There was no way he actually knew for a certain Kelly would (I mean, really though... we knew that was coming) he then proceeded to run away, leaving the baby abandoned with a total stranger.
Up until him running off, he hadn't actually abandoned the baby.
@@AdamG1983 oh definitely.
kathy for sure - not just because she was trying to break up a marriage with kids, but because jim was clearly sending signals he wasn't interested and she kept pushing. he straight up told her it was inappropriate and she gaslit him into thinking HE was being disrespectful and guilt-tripped him into sitting closer to her. imagine how scary that scene would've been if she was a guy - harrassment goes both ways, i felt really bad for jim
Well, I'm glad most people agree Kathy is one of the worse out there.
Worst of all, she wore her shoes into Jim's bed like WTF?! 😱
@@otaviotisikawa2594on the contrary she was 100X hotter than Pam and she was a better fit for him.
@@Scratchingforcash you sound dumb asf
@@Scratchingforcashdid u even watch the show, jim and pam had a chemistry that wasn’t unmatched, kathy didn’t fit in at all, she was annoying and was just trying to get in peoples pants, jim and pam have a bond and a history that is irreplaceable, they understand eachother
Ryan is probably the worst offender. He broke up Kelly and Darryl (who, granted, wasn't too upset about it), then immediately ran off to "Thailand," he tried to get Kelly to break off a happy, functional relationship with Ravi because "I'd rather she be alone than with somebody," and he finally succeeded in breaking up Kelly's happy marriage by giving his son an allergic reaction and abandoning him.
100%
By that logic he was the best in terms of darryl. He gave him freedom.
Wait, I don’t think Kelly and Ravi were married.
Kelly and him are perfect for each other. Both horrible people 😅
@@shawnuel At the very least, they were engaged.
"Hey, what up, Cynthia!"😂
"Hang on a second, Cynthia!"🤣
After all that deep plot he made up lmao.
Pam and Jim were extremely confident of his mess up. 😆
He is not the best friend you call when you know you're busy doing stuff 😂🫣
I think my favorite thing is the accuracy of the pepper spray incident- a lot of people don't realize that when you spray it EVERYONE around is affected, not just the person you spray it on, especially in close quarters.
It is the ultimate weapon of mass ductruction
Well who's laughing now? blink blink, blink blink
“Pam, please call security!!”
Who's "a lot of people"? Not sure who doesn't know that
I was in an elevator when someone's pepper spray went off. That was fun.
Words can't describe how much I despise Kathy. Not just for every slimy move she TRIED to make on Jim. But also the fact she KNOWS HIS WIFE. She smiles in Pam's face at work EVERY day, but soon as she's away, trying to get with her partner? THAT'S what's most grimy about her. She actually expected to sleep with Jim & BOTH of them return to work, smile in Pam's face and act like nothing happened and probably keep doing it.... no one is more grimy than someone SMILING in your face but doing grimy things behind your back.
I feel like I would've been more mad at Jim cheating with KATHY, than anyone else (even though either would be upsetting). But Kathy just defines the word "unlikeable" too much. She's not even SLIGHTLY funny. Can't stand her. She makes Erin seem likeable, even Nelly who I absolutely loathed at one point..... but NO ONE is worse, more unlikeable or more forgettable than Kathy.
@@angeleyeszarai Kathy was such a pick me girl and she reeeally thought it would work on Jim
I hate her and I can’t even watch her in anything else lol sounds petty but she was the worse one in this scenario she was beyond disrespectful
@@angeleyeszarainewly is better then Andy Erin is just a airhead 😂
She’s a real Arianna Grande
"careful jimmy it gets easier and easier" such an underrated Stanley line Lmaooo
He aint wrong tho
That line says so much about his character and sets up an affair in other episodes. Awesome writing
@@Zellie1994the stanley affair lines are way, way, way before the Florida arc lol
yeah but I didn't get it. What did he mean by that?
When you're in a relationship, cheating for the first time is a massive barrier ( if you aren't completely evil). I imagine it's a line that's hard to cross but once you do, you've already done it. Each consecutive time the consequences feel less intense and the line feels less and less real.
Dwight tricking Angela into marrying him was one of the best 😂😂
Hehe .. Mrs Schrute
The whole Brian saga was so weird. Going meta with it after so many seasons just felt really awkward, and threatening for Jim or Pam to cheat on each other felt like cheap soap-opera drama bait
The idea of having romantic competition with Jim in the form of a documentary crew member isn't a terrible idea.
What is a terrible idea is having romantic competition with JIm in the form of a character with no personality or development.
Brian being this flawless J-crew model type guy swooping in only to be perfectly supportive and heroic is such a kick in the face to actual story telling and character building within Jim and Pam's relationship. Jim isn't a perfect guy, we've seen him at his worst. Maybe Brian's a way worse guy than Jim, we don't know because Brian has no screen time.
I actually disagree wholeheartedly. That whole plot line felt so viscerally real to me, and I'm sure resonated with a ton of people. That is how it works sometimes. There's a background person, been there all along, maybe known you for years, but all it takes is an opportunity for that person to sweep in and try to get what they want.
@@TheDuality0fMan yeah man I gotta agree with you. It's not so much that Brian never got screen time or what have you, and maybe he IS not a great man. We don't know. But that is life exactly man. You make a tough choice, you leave your spouse alone, the time/distance cuts into your relationship in usually the worst ways. Sometimes, that's a person literally "behind the scenes" finally feeling like they can make their move. I also think that this Jim has a ton of personality, more than we've ever seen I'd venture. He's a tired man, his true (finally imperfect) colours are showing, and while he won't acknowledge that some part of him enjoys his job just for the heck of it, he is somewhat torn because he knows that part of the choice to do it is because he's sitting on a winning lottery ticket and he didn't want to let life pass him (or his family by). You sympathise for Jim AND Pam. You're a little angry at Jim AND Pam. Brian to me, is the symbol of the fact that life happens to a marriage. Jim choosing Pam and his kids over Philly to me, is a symbol of sacrifice that is unimaginable but needed for all marriages, and Pam finally selling the house and moving her family to Philly is a symbol of accepting that sacrifice runs both ways. Life happened to them, and love won in a couple of different ways.
I didn't mean to type something super long, but this is one my all-time favourite arcs and depictions of marriage in a sitcom. Love won, but it wasn't pretty. Everyone made mistakes, and everyone made sacrifices. And by grace, love won. And that, is actually life.
@@josiahgosyne6495 well said. I think the hate for that arc comes from the fact it is such a break from the usual comical treatments of relationship issues, on top of the fact it happens to Jim and Pam, the gold standard for couples on the show (to most people).
@@TheDuality0fMan oh yeah for sure man. In some ways, I kind of love that the writers, wrote it so that the "gold standard" went through this trial. Cause as I'm sure you know, there is no "gold standard" in life man. It's usually just broken people, working real hard to make it work. I appreciate you 🙏
@TheDuality0fMan I agree with this actually. But I do not agree that Brian and Pam should have ended upttogether
I love how Stanley is just casually walking with a baddie
You gotta be careful. It gets easier and easier.
😂😂😂😂
@@EmeraldPangolindude Stanley is a menace
fax😂😂
"Florida" Stanley is underrated 😜
Kelly pointing out the flirting between Ryan and Stanley’s daughter leading to one of Stanley’s best moments on the show needs to make the list.
"Have you lost your mind cus I'll help ya find it!"
That wasn’t relationship sabotage. That was stopping of a crime against a minor. Stanley’s daughter was only 12 years old.
@@NicoleCzarnecki Ryan wasn't flirting with that little girl though, the daughter had a crush on Ryan and it made him SUPER uncomfortable - the sabotage was Kelly telling Stanley that it was Ryan being creepy when he wasnt
@@AuntieLux , what was Ryan doing in not walking away from her?
@@NicoleCzarnecki did you watch the episode? He was at work hardly tonnes of places he could go...
Kathy’s worst crime…putting her Ugg boots up on Jim’s pillows
Idk why white people do this
Okay?!
Yes thank you. Shoes on beds is such a pet peeve of mine in tv shows or movies. IRL no one in their right mind does that.
Kevin bending down to get the ice cream that he dropped gets me every time😂
I dont know which is the more idiotic? The writers thinking it would be smart to have Pam or Jim cheat or people who watch the show thinking Pam and Brian had any kind of connection other than he was in love with her. Did she lead him on ? NO! Did she have a break down in front of him and he felt bad for her . YES! I have watched TV for 50 years and Pam must be the most maligned and unfairly judged character in TV history as the attempts to vilify her are so pathetic. Yes she flirted with Jim at work like others do and it was more playful than anything until Jim took it to another level. That whole arc is very realistic. The Cathy/Brian red herrings were lazy and stupid putting at risk a relationship that was carefully crafted and truly believable. To destroy this couple for a final season attempt at ratings and drama was truly ludicrous and thank goodness John was so aware of the importance of consistency in the characters and this couples importance in the show's success!
I agree!
Well said. There’s a certain subsection of this shows audience who’ll proceed to great lengths to impugn Pam’s moral character on the slightest of premises. It’s not a credible argument to make given the totality of evidence that points the other way, but these types are nevertheless always attempting to advance this warped viewpoint about Pam, as well as Jim. It’s a major reason why I’ve never even slightly delved into the shows fan community, ‘cause it’s a position that’s just a bit too prevalent among the shows watchers.
I would agree with you if it wasn't for Pam's pattern of feeling unhappy for a bit and crying on the attractive guy's shoulder. What doesn't sit right with me about Pam is that Jim is always so patient with her, but she doesn't seem to return the favor. Jim is in Philly trying to make a better life for him and his family for all of what, a month before she starts crying on Brian's shoulder? While Jim waited for Pam for a year for her to quit art school? Meanwhile, he was supportive of her and wanted her to experience the entirety of art school. Idk. I feel like people unfairly vilify Jim more than Pam. Pam's vilification is somewhat justified.
@@davidstierwalt2981 Pam went to art school before they were even engaged (and Jim persuaded her to go, it was a mutual decision). Jim started the business in Philly without Pam's knowledge and when they had two young children together. It's a bit different. Neither are villains, they're just normal humans who make mistakes.
@@ItsMeEllenB Oh, I totally agree that they're normal humans who make mistakes. I guess "villain" is a strong word when describing either one of them. And I think the reason Jim didn't say anything to Pam about Philly was because he knew she wouldn't be supportive, but Jim is nothing but supportive of Pam throughout the entire show. Idk. And she was timidly supportive after he proved the company's legitimacy until she couldn't take it anymore, which is completely understandable. I just think she went about it the wrong way with crying on Brian's shoulder and inviting him to their dinner date they had setup. It sort of felt like it was finally Jim's turn to do something he was passionate about that could also be a much better job than selling paper, but he never really got to see it through. Instead, he hightails it back to Scranton because, as he has always stated throughout the show, Pam is the most important thing in his life.
They missed the best part of Jim and Cathy. When he got Dwight to chase her from the room
i am so glad they didnt have jim or pam cheat on each other, it’s so idiotic and would have been unnecessary- especially seeing how it would have thrown away the incredible relationship jim and pam built over each season
"Careful Jim, it gets easier and easier"
That's the wisdom of experience 🫣
what does that mean tho?
I always think Dwight grabbing Jim balls was sabotage
Just watched that ep yesterday!
That was sexual harassment.
@@NicoleCzarnecki sexual sabotage harassment
@@NicoleCzarnecki ok karen
Okay mr balance .......
“Hey what up Cynthia?”
Gets me every time
How could you leave out Kelly kissing Dwight at the Christmas party?
Or kissing Andy, in front of Erin, after getting that Valentine's day card?
Because she didn't know that Dwight and Angela were dating. Nobody knew
probably because she didn't do it to damage his relationship with Angela since nobody even knew they were together
I loved his response to her kiss lol
@@ForeverLuxeDesigns the man is supposed to do that !!! 😳
Stanley having a casual conversation with Jim just seems interesting.
If it weren't for Tallahassee, I wouldn't have even remembered Cathy was a character on this show.
i’m sorry but the “i’m finally a master at commitment!” while running away from his CHILD always makes me laugh
Dude, Jenna did that scene SOOOO good and perfect... when her and Jim are arguing on the phone. WOW 😮 I have been there, exactly there, the argument (different topic but same emotion) she was so real!!! The look on her face was exactly how I felt when it happened to me.😢
Let’s all just take a minute to appreciate the perfectly-timed ice cream plop when Kevin overhears Oscar’s confession.
The Brian and Cathy characters both seemed straight from central casting. Selling the concept of Jim and Pam cheating on each other would have required a LOT more character development. A LOT.
People and things like that do exist though. I've been around people who were explicit homewreckers; they didn't even know the person well or cared they were in monogamous relationships, they blatantly stated their goal was to lay them and not care about the consequences. And you'd be naive to think that a "strong" couple isn't vulnerable; every relationship and person has weak moments (esp when you commit to full monogamy and everything is about "devotion", "faithfulness" etc).
The Brian plotline was designed to show that. Yes obviously they love each other but, at a moment of vulnerability in the relationship (stress from disrupted family life, tension building, partner goes through something traumatic without the other there to support them) it's easy to have doubts and feel attraction toward someone who does provide support. I can speak from personal experience having been away from my partner for a long time due to work that it happens (though the difference is we are in full agreement that we are "open" in our relationship and are fully transparent and honest about what we do while we're apart).
The Cathy plotline was different because there were no stakes; at that point Jim and Pam's relationship was fine and there was no reason for Jim to want to cheat, so it was easy for him to reject it. The plot point was nothing more than Cathy being a homewrecker which, as I said above, is something that is very plausible.
@@Zzyzzyzzs, too bad this isn't real life , amd its a show . Film and Tv logic isn't the same as real life logic .
@@Zzyzzyzzs This is true until you realize that Brain is some generic j-crew type of guy swooping in to "save" pam. It felt super manipulative to have him do that as his introduction. I feel like it is a bit too rushed to show him there. I think brain would have worked much better in a season 4-5 rather than 9 since so much time had passed to get there. Meta textually he works but in practice he is rushed and a nothing burger character.
Years of barely acknowledging the film crew & all of a sudden there’s Brian. I’m surprised he even knew it was Pam with his face blindness & all
Please don't remind me of that season of AD.
I like that Stanley's tone isn't judgmental but a warning from someone who has been down the same road before and, while he isn't really going to change, there is a part of him that wishes he'd made different choices so he's sharing that bit of wisdom with what he perceives to be the old him, before he started cheating. Because he's right- it is surprisingly easy to do if you let yourself
Stanley wild for saying that to jim 😂
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I love that Kevin stood up ready to fight when Roy got mad in the bar
That argument at 11:30 really hit home because when I saw it i was divorced after a deployment and that was basically the conversation and there was so many ways for him to bail out and change the feelings that i should have took at the time.
Left out the entire first two seasons of Jim wanting to break up Pam and Roy
I don’t think he wanted to break them up. He just wanted them to break up themselves. He wasn’t really trying to make them end it. The only thing he ever did was tell Pam that he was in love with her and then when she said she was going to marry Roy. He left that’s not trying to break them up
Yeah this is why some fans annoy me. Just trying to be bias towards jim and pam.
stupid bias
How Jim, Pam, and Roy didn’t take the whole video is beyond me
Because there's way too many people who watched the show and don't even consider Pam cheated on Roy.
just stupid bias
The whole video? I think they just kissed once while she was with Roy
Roy’s brother just going with it and breaking the bar with him always gets me lol💀💀💀
Somehow, the way you can see Brian baumgartner's obvious thumb pushing the ice cream just makes the scene a more kevin moment
“We used to go on these long walks on the treadmill” is such an underrated line
Dwight marrying Angela in German is honestly the most wild one for me
I forgot how ham-fisted the Jim/Pam/Brian drama was. The clear "Uh oh, numbers are down, we need to spice things up, how about we take the one thing everyone loved about the series and break it up?"
Exactly. That whole fight over the phone was not believable (for them). They should have made Jim more passive-aggressive (like this: "well, you said you could work the camera, and now that's another moment we can't get back... *big sigh* Look... I gotta go" and hang up). They wrote in too much "Roy."
Ikrrrr
Looking at this fight scene on the phone after seeing it three times...it feels fake. Obviously, it is fake, but for a show with two very well-established, well-performed, and well-loved characters, I didn't feel like there was any real conflict here. Throwing another home wreaker into the mix was also very forced; Brian was one of the worst inclusions in the show. I felt that their failed dinner in Philadelphia when Jim just assumed that Pam wanted to move there was a much more convincing reason to cause their marriage to become rocky. Acting, character, everything about that scene was so much more convincing; the subtlety of their reactions is spot-on.
I was today years old when I saw Stanley walking with a blonde chick at 0:13 💀😂
I'm happy they didn't go the route of Roy being not over Pam and trying to win her back at Jim and Pam's wedding. He moved on, got better with his anger, found a love that made him a better man and was successful. He wasn't a good partner with Pam, but he still got cheated on.
Angela introducing herself to the German marriage reverend was so wholesome. “Hi, :) I’m Angela, :) I work with Dwight and-“
Hey, what up Cynthia?" scene is just iconic. The build-up, Michael's delivery, his reaction, Jim hanging up the call in disbelief, everything about that scene is comedy gold. I still laugh just thinking about it😂😂😂
Jim hanging up the phone on Terry is brilliant. 😂😂😂
Jim is dumb for letting her into the room in the first place
Agreed. An insane chill dude/people-pleasing moment
IKR
I would try to be nice, she doesn’t seem bad until 10 seconds after she’s in
Jim should have slept with her. Pam would have never known
@@jacket2383it’s not about knowing. It’s about having morals
Gabe’s line at 15:52 gets me everytime its hilarious
GSL is a true menace to society.
He makes my skin crawl 😂. I hate that they even had him in the show lol
The Office, but the thumbnail has the two most hated characters that are so bad that my mind wipes them from memory whenever I am not looking at them
Same Brian and Cathy’s awkward intersection with Jim are proof the writers mailed it in once Steve Left.
@@scruffd0g193Here's the reaction you keep asking for. OMG you're so right!!
@@cosmicsonata7307she's hot AF though
Michael: "I can do this!"
Jim: "You can't do this!"
😂
“How little do you think of me?”
He should have said “very little if not at all, leave”
And the Oscar goes to… Kevin’s ice cream
I wonder what Dwight would have done if he found out Jim made Pam cry.
Careful Jim it gets easier and easier 😂😂😂
Just a friendly reminder that Ryan started the fire
It was always burning since the world was turning
Hey the temp’s still learning!
278 of the same comment and counting.
Wow I’m baffled by how many people had affairs in the office. Pretty much every character. That’s actually pretty depressing…
Kind of accurate to life though
😂😂😂
Andy's revenge is LEGENDARY
Stanley was hilarious 😂😂😂 "Careful Jim, it gets easier and easier" 💀💀💀
straight up, Brian wasnt even trying to ruin Jim and Pam's relationship. He was there as a friend and never made a pass at Pam
he did in the end try to get with pam
@@pablom3162 I don't recall that. When did it happen? Maybe I just missed it
@jeffsroyalbodyguard7642 its the weirdest thing I remembered it differently, I watched it again and you're right I made a mistake
@jeffsroyalbodyguard7642it was implied he had feelings for her when they met up together, stop playing the ignorant game
Well, maybe not overtly, but he definitely wanted to.
Props to Jim for not folding 😯
"Careful Jim, it gets easier and easier" Stanley the expert...
I love at 9:06 angela looks at Andy thinking Dwight is about to have him killed or something
Give him poisoned hot chocolate 😂
9:50 crazy how real this is. Reminds me of when I asked my ex if she took videos of her with my family. I could go cause of work but she did go and told her to take pictures with my grandparents that were leaving the next day. She totally forgot bc she was having fun with my family. I was mad when i called her after my shift at 12am. I’m 100% all that excitement she was waiting to tell me died when my tone changed after she forgot to take pictures. Now I just regret it. That pretty summed up why she broke up with me. I Regret it since that day. Work really stresses you tf out! I quit soon after the breakup bc I just could bare going to my car on lunch and the memories of me calling her telling her I love her before she went to bed. My advice, don’t let the small things go or else you’ll be regretting it big time.
Anyone notice how Kevin has his fists ready to defend Pam from Roy at 16:54
So wild how this show kinda zooms past Kathy engaging in open sexual harassment.
IKRRRR
Does Jim makes a formal complaint to HR? Or does he avoids confrontation as always? If he didn't talk to Toby then that's it, the film crew can't intervene in those people's lives.
To be fair Toby isn't a great HR rep and has actively shown opposition to Jim and Pam's relationship so he probably wouldn't had done jack squat about it. Him being a crappy rep is the reason dwight fired him at the end of the next season.
Well that didn’t happen, I’m not sure what you were watching?
@@daveagard1884It really did. He was showing extreme levels of discomfort whilst it was happening. Thats not consent.
I like how a random guy joined roy in destroying the bar even more 😂
wasn't random, that was his brother remember they were gonna get jetskis or something
His brother
Same brother who was at Pam and Roys first date. They forgot her and left without her
Did Roy ever cheat on Pam? I kinda liked Roy.
@@ronicasmith3956you LIKED him??? They made him the most unlikeable person possible and yet you somehow liked his character??
"I finally mastered commitment" As he is leaving his child hahahhaha
"The office but it's the stupidest idea the writers almost had in the last season"
I like that rewrite 👌🏽
Ngl Kelly and Ryan was 💀💀💀
3:41 just noticed Kevin pushing with his thumb the ice cream off lol
It worked out so it's fine❤😂❤
3:28 😂😂oscar leveling up to the senator
3:41 you can actually see kevin pushed the ice-cream with his thumb😂
Russ Hanneman used to be such a polite and gentle guy earlier🥹
He joined the tres comas club,,,
"Hey boom guy, when you gonna boom me?"
BEST LINE from a weird plot direction.
I have to say though, Andy sabotaging Erin and Plop's relationship has to be one of THE FUNNIEST moments in The Office, you know the later seasons .. That and him coming back from the 3 month boat thing were definitely top 5 of my favourite moments by him on the show 😅
I remember going thru a rlly bad break up at the time and that moment was HEALING to watch lmfao
I love to see the self righteous know it alls give advice when they are in a better place than you. It’s great to see them eat their words. I love the whole situation of Andy’s revenge
Watched the office about 4 times now but just realising that Stanley brought a girl back to his room?!? 0:13
0:25 when I realized it was her i literally screamed “SLAM THE DOOR JIM!”
I love the Lilo and Stitch reference @3:39 😂
Brian and Cathy’s awkward intersection with Jim are proof the writers mailed it in once Steve Left.
What’s bad with Brian? He seemed concerned with Pam but didn’t seem to break up or want to break up her relationship
Steve was still there during the Cathy arc
I'm sure copying and pasting the exact same comment every 5 minutes means you're absolutely confident about your statement.
@@Wernershnitzl ehm no
@@Wernershnitzl Nope. Tallahassee was season 8.
I loved Andy as a saboteur. Thanks for uploading such wonderful clips 😊really been watching it everyday
It’s not just that this girl wanted Jim to cheat, it’s that she wore outside boots on the BED!!! 0:55
Dwight using a Menonite minister to stealthly marry Angelma is up there.
I love when Andy turns the tables on Erin and Pete :D
Plus, all Andy did was some fact checking after storing away some questionable info.😈
Edit - I forgot the part with Gabe showing up lol, ok, Andy was pushing back lol
Edit 2 - Rewatching it again...Really hate people repeatedly telling me to get over it, ignoring both my feelings and processing ability. Erin's not bright enough to understand what she's repeating.
Jim using Walter White’s line there..
“I’m doing this for the family” 🤥
"Kevin, we have to cook"
@@eliavi3251 Kevin: drops tub of 💎 all over the floor 💀
@@PersephoneRising333 *tries to pick it up with the lit*
1:55 now referring to this clip to explain what gaslighting is
The biggest storyline of relationship sabotage is Jim stealing Pam from Roy, yet, it's nowhere in this video. The more I rewatch the show, the more I realize how much Jim overstepped and that Roy had every right to be angry.
“I finally mastered commitment”… by abandoning a baby. 🙄🤣
I hate cathy just for the fact that she was sitting on the bed with her shoes on. bruh
Makes you realise how good the old episodes of The Office were in comparison.
Her getting on the bed with her shoes is enough to get kicked out of my house
Gosh, I don't know hey .. I feel like Oscar's was next level betrayal 🥺
shoes on the bed is nuts lmao
Angela as Nancy Reagon is hilarious and somehow spot-on! 😂
about Jim and Pam's storyline, I liked it bc it shows how real marriages work, what I hate is people only blame Pam saying she's selfish and Jim deserves better when, yes, he was doing it for his family and all, but at the time he was leaving his wife and little kids unattended bc of his ambition. I love Jim but they both had things to work on, and people only see the things Pam did wrong and they hate on her when she was the most real character, that's how people work, people are afraid of change and need time to processthe stuff that's going on and there's nothing wrong with it
Pam gets all the hate but Stanley and Dwight are cool when they cheat. In the words of Pam B..... Yep!
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