Why Fabio Carvalho Didn't Work At Liverpool
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2023
- Fabio Carvalho has joined RB Leipzig on a season-long loan from Liverpool after an underwhelming debut year for the Reds. But after looking like a perfect fit when he arrived, why has a player with such incredible potential failed to deliver? Huge thanks to This Is Anfield for working with us on this video.
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I'm glad we only loaned him out. He's still a promising talent
What's not fully explained is the club he was sent out on loan to. RB Leipzig play a high counter pressing style, in fact it's an essential part of red bulls football philosophy. It's the perfect club for him to go to and get some experience. The difference between Carvalho, Elliot, and Jones is that the latter two have spent several years working with the first team, especially Jones. Carvalho has never played in a high counter pressing system and i seriously doubt he was ever going to get much playing time when they signed him last year. Klopp is obviously impressed because they sent him out on loan to Leipzig, which is like high press finishing school for young footballers. If he trains hard performs and gets the playing time he's going to come back as a 22 year old with tremendous experience. Experience he was not going to get with MacAllister, Szoboszlai, Jones, Elliot, Diaz, Nunez, Jota, Gakpo, and Salah all ahead of him. Klopp knows what the fuck he's doing. Now it's all on Carvalho to be a success. If he can't break into the Leipzig rotation he sure as hell not going to break into Liverpools and you sell. If he does he's essentially a new signing come next summer. I'm sure his Liverpool days are not numbered and it never crossed my mind that this loan deal meant he was finished because of the club he is being loaned out to. Great business being done there.
Yeh its bollocks this whole press thing, he's clearly been sent out to learn it elsewhere.
Yes absolutely agree with this, good post mate 👍
The clip suggests Klopp expected Carvalho to be a first team player, but I am not sure that is accurate. He was a 19 year old that Liverpool paid 5M for. If they sell him for the 15M Transfermarkt currently values him at, you've tripled your money. Liverpool saw a bargain and will likely make money from the purchase. Obviously, that doesn't mean you're not going to give him the opportunity to contest for the 1st team but once you see he needs further development, you loan him out and know that you will only sell him for more money. Excellent piece of business.
Exactly, risk free business from Liverpool
He's only 20 and he only cost £7.7 million. Can't expect the finished article! If it was Chelsea they might have paid £77M or £107M. Seems very sensible to let him develop somewhere else and see what happens.
Carvalho is a couthino style player and if jurgen wasn't so stubborn sticking with ageing players who under performed last season, I believe carvalho would have come into his own
It is tough for a new kid to impress with a slow CDM like Fabinho playing behind him.
Thought he wasn't commited, or pissed klopp off somehow , hope he gets lots of games next season , and come back rocking 🎉❤
@@milesburgin6436what evidence do you have for absolutely anything you’ve just said. Tf you mean he moped around
Dude is still a kid, he will get better evenually
I have a great feeling avout Carvalho. He reminds me a lot of how Liverpool played around the time when the heart and soul of top prem teams were attacking midfielders (think Coutinho, Eriksen, De Bruyne, Ozil, etc.). He really reminds me of Coutinho too. Such an exciting player. Hope we gets a chance next season
Good work.
It’s one season, the title makes it seems like he flopped to was a disaster.
He’s just a kid, it was a great deal on paper and the fact it’s a loan move reinforces that.
Also, having both him and Elliot in the same lineup was a problem, too lightweight, so Klopp gave more time to Elliot instead.
He didn't work cus the whole team didn't work last season lol.
exactly! same with everyone else giving nunez stick! and he still scored tons along with salah.... yes they both missed sitters salah missed frikking penalties!
i cann understand carvalho going to rb for discipline and learning the press! the reason we struggled was opposition running through the centre of our midfield like it wasnt there! Because it wasnt! Carvalho is attack orientated and obviously wasnt disciplined enough for the press....
RB will give us a report, if he gets a glowing report that will tell klopp all he needs to know...... LFC went all out to buy this kidso he has the offensive capabilities..... its when we dont have the ball that our side struggled! and carvalho like everyone knows is a small nippy fella, hes hardly going to be shoving people around when we dont have the ball
i see carvalho as another elliot but obviously elliot has earned and proven to klopp trust and confidence as elliot is also not a big fella but has been in klopps plans
@@antwango well said
Good choice on the green shoulders on that jersey......
Lipzieg is a good move they play in a similar way to Liverpool. He can learn the pressing style there.
there is a decent player there. We just need to bring the man out of him.and he needs to be more stronger. He is good at beating the first man then he get bulled of the ball
Looked a banger at first.
But he was cheap as chips if 7 and they probably still make money on him if he has decent season.
One thing that i still can not see from Carvalho, physical
In premier league, if you doesn't have the physical, it is hard for player to survive.
I wish during this period of time when carvalho playing at leipzig, he will gains experience in playing more game, at the same time, physical. He is just too small
Yes this is exactly it. It was clear in pre season too, he had no physicality to his game and you need that in Premier League. He also had no burst of pace to get past a defender. It was never going to work, especially when he was being played on the LW where Sadio Mané excelled in both those attributes
Thankfully he’s so young. Physicality is something he can 100 percent grow in to
he's just a kid, if he was a few years older he may have been trusted more. He was never going to play 30 games at 19, he only left on loan, 50-50 he could till have a future with us.
Nothing wrong with his but his best position is as a No.10, which Liverpool dont play and which you need experience for to play well at. Hence him going out to get more experience. I reckon he'll be back!
He also can't gegenpress.
I’m a Hull City and Prem supporter and would just like to thank Liverpool for our loan deal. He was straight into our x11 after just a few days and showed some classy touches and assisted our goal scored also by another Liverpool loanee Tyler Morton against Norwich 1-2 in his first game for us👍🏻
That goal the other day was class
Bro the kid is younger than my kids, let him learn somewhere else
I hope this set back ,changes his attitude ,if another team can see this as well and cancel his loan ,he has to speak to the manager at Liverpool
He is why coutinho had to be sold for us to work...✨️tho i believe carvalho can be a better system fit in the future
Is that a Swindon Town top? 😍
Bro the stache look funny on you lol
What Liverpool fans have been saying he will never play for the club again?
I think most Liverpool fans I’ve talked too were impressed by him and wondered why we didn’t see more?
He may have a reason to be upset, he was a star in a Fulham side , making headlines and becoming a great player. We took him but don't know what promises where made and direction they say he would have . He has wasted this time of his career being in a Liverpool second string . He could have been playing in the Fulham team or had a move to a mid table prem team where he would be getting some great game time . We did not even give the lad a cup run
Players to stay Virgil,Jarell,Alison,Bradley,Trent,Macca,Elliott,Jones,Gakpo,Salah and Bajectic.Get rid of 11 players and call back some of loanees and elevate some of Under 18 and under 21.
We bought him as a investment to sell maybe 3 years down the line maybe play a couple cup matches
Talented but was obviously an imcomplete product. There was and is only a 50-50 chance he will make it in the PL IMO. But at the price LFC got him for, he is a sure thing insofar as some kind of profit is likely. If he does well at Leipzig, the profit would be big.
He is a talent, im even said we are letting Musialowski go.
These players are good but not for Klopp's football.
They are suited to Guardiola's or Arteta's style or football
Yes
And he scored in his debut in first 16 minutes for leipzig.
He needed a bit of ' humble pie' . After signing for Liverpool, he was called for the U21 Portuguese national team he refused to go and said to the manager he had nothing to gain by playing for the national team. A lot of Portuguese, me included, hope he never wears the Portuguese national team colours ever again. Young players become arrogant way too soon.
when Klopp what Carvalho, I was thinking finally Klopp is addressing the squad, a young left winger/forward to be understudy for Díaz,
Jota failed miserably in being an understudy in that role much better as a striker, with Díaz injury naturally it seem Carvalho would be give a good run in the team,
but Klopp prefer to play a Núñez as defensive left midfielder.
yet again no understudy this season, people clam Klopp best manager in the world when past 8 seasons hasn't been able to build a squad capable of consent challenging for trophies
the reason why Liverpool fans love him is because he won the Premier League
is done no better than Rafa Benitez or Gerard Houllier
I had a feeling he’d struggle, he is light weight just like harvey elliot, Fulham would have suited him. But it’s life, it’s not always greener on the other side.
Harvey is a heavyweight compared to Carvalho
Bit of a stretch this, nobody expected this youngster from Fulham to come straight in as a first team player, he showed potential and played more than I expected him too.
For me I think he has great talent, but at 5ft 7in he is just to lightweight, combine this with Elliot’s 5ft 6in, Thiago 5ft 8in, we then have a very short and diminutive midfield, Jones is a bunch taller but still lightweight and then you can imagine the midfield being bullied. With Szoboszlai combining in at 6ft and Mac Alister at 5ft 9in these are definite increases in height.
I agree with your points but Jones is not lightweight at all anymore and has not been for 2 years. They put him on the same bulking up program as they did Trent and you visibly see his broader upper body now. You can also see when his back is to an opposing player he can shield the ball and retain possession before offloading the ball or accelerating away.
Jones real problem is he is far too safe now and spends majority of the game playing 5 yard X Button sideways passes, he needs to develop a consistent killer pass.
lightweight for Physicality of premiership. He should move to La Liga or Serie A.
@badabing8884 so I guess David Silva, Bernado Silva, Couthinho, Payet, Joe Cole, Zola, Paul Scholes, Makalele were all too small for the "physicality" of the Premiership as well 😂
@@peacelove8395 all were more stocky and we have two lightweights in the midfield and last season we were bullied sometimes in midfield especially by Aston villa
@MrJudgementday99 The 2 Silvas were not Stocky all, neither was Zola or Makalele mate. Scholes put on bit of weight and that's it. Bottom line if you are good enough with your footballing brain, you will be good enough anywhere.
You going to tell me Iniesta, Xavi and Messi would have been too small for the Prem As well?
This young lad has potentials but if he keeps on getting loan out season after season, he might get sold one day
Right signing wrong time. 💔
Anyone seen grelish 😂😂 some hard traing for him , gazza
It was the only place it did work for him
He's a 10. It was never going to work for him since Klopp doesnt play that way.
Mario Götze
How do you expect Liverpool to unlock packed defences? With donkeys like Henderson? Klopp knows that he needs more creativity in midfield. That's why Thiago was signed, and they added Mac Allister and Szoboslai.🤣🤣🤣🍌🥜🥜
@@cjewe1z I agree but both those are midfielders with very good off the ball games. Carvalho is a 10 and is unable to function as a mid and add creativity to the team.
@@HishamR89, he hasn't even reached the age of maturity in football terms yet. He could turn out to be a forward, which a 10 is. I wouldn't discount him so easily yet. Mofos were writing Jones off for a long time. Like Jones, Carvalho showed enough quality for me to reserve judgement for a couple of years at least. When a player talks about winning the Balon D'or he has to be taken seriously. Also, what is Cristiano's position? Winger? Attacking midfielder? Playmaker (10)? Forward? Striker? Guardiola never played with pure 9s but he tried with Ibracadabra Without The Magic and now Haaland. Klopp played with Goetze and Reus? Are they not 10s?He used workhorse midfielders for his first Liverpool team. It looks like he'll be using more creative midfielder for this team. What makes you think he won't use a 10 in future? Do you think he would refuse Messi if he had him because he was married to playing without 10s?
@@cjewe1z Could be. or a free roaming wide play maker. Either way, he just doesnt fit Klopps football.
I also have the same opinion of Harvey Elliot. He's not exactly a mid and not exactly a winger. I think there are loads of players that would do much better than him in his position in the league.
12 is derisory lol. What was the 7 they paid 😂. And why did they sell that cheap?
They didn't. It's a 1 year loan.
If carvalho had klopp at dortmund he would have had the time to be a proper player….big club quick expectations and modern day fans play too many football manager to say whether a player is good enough for their club or not
Hes better than fabio viera who cost 4x as much and is 2 years older and also Portuguese lmao. Shows lfc are more serious than Arsenal as hes on loan.
It’s quite simple. Too weak, too small, no acceleration.
I ilke the content and the presentation, but the background noise is distracting (but subbed all the same).
Didn't happen for origi or minamino
It did in the sense that the got game time after their loans. Even if they were still backups. But they never established themselves as regulars.
@@thehearingaid yes I watched a video interview of carvalho where he said he wants to be the best player in the world he's really ambitious no way he's accept being a squad player
Just need to learn how to be more creative to create the chance.
bit early to say he hasnt worked out
The only reason that Fabio Carvallo have this problem is the assistant pep lijnders who create a problem with this young talent ...anyway the truth will come out someday ... in the meantime i can say only ... pep lijnders OUT
Still dont get it, hasnt seen enough of him play at the club
what dont you get...... FFS!!! LFC the team was broken and choppy and obviously we needed people who were mature and able to press when we dont have the ball!!! Thats why the opposition was running straight down the middle of our midfield!!!!? its a good time to send him out to RB and get some discipline!!!! If he gets a glowing report from RB its good! if not he gets sold on
The boy needs more time to develop.. his only a boy after all.
Should of stayed at Fulham 😂😂😂
Carvalho should push to leave permanently; he's not going to get a real chance at LFC.
He will get sold one day and liverpool will get a huge profit from his sale
@@Tony.L9793 The Kid won't sign a new contract. So could leave as a Free.
@@TheTruth-ht7qmhe signed a 5 year deal so he's got 4 years left, IF he gets 15 goal contributions next season for Liepzig then his price will massively increase from the 7m Liverpool paid for him
too small guy
I remember Liverpool fans telling me that he was the best prospect in the championship last season & not colwill. Pretty sure they would swap him for Levi now
what come on mate!! we're drowning in attacking talent but we need a defender to shore up holes and even then we're ok defensively..... he was the best thing in the championship..... just like elliot was tearing it up
Literally never heard an lfc fan reference 19 year old Colwill last year, you can’t just make up narratives you divvy
@@dozz87 if you were calling him the best young player in the championship (which plenty Liverpool fans were) last year you were saying he’s better than colwill
@@tspcontent4630 So as expected, not one LFC fan was talking to you and telling you he was better than Colwill, then...? Pleb
@@tspcontent4630one person doesn't mean "all". He was amazing in the championship and Liverpool paid 7m for him. You guys paid 75m for Mudryk, he looks like a pub player
Because of Jurgen Klopps extreme & laughable favouritism of Milner & Hendo
Klopp loans Fabio Carvalho to save Oxlaide Chamberlain's career. Very wise choice klopp. well done
How will it save Ox's career? Ox has been released along with Keita and Milner.
Flopp is the most overrated manager ever.
More luck than brains,, no?