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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- Randip and Dan discuss whether or not the Vancouver Canucks should be concerned with Quinn Hughes defensive play this season.
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Just do what Anaheim did with Fowler and pair him with Scott Niedermayer.
@@mikes7446 Yeah he came into the league right after being drafted so it feels like forever because it has been forever.
Who is the Scott Niedermayer of the Vancouver Canucks?
@@ianmudd1383 just use actual Scott Niedermayer I'm pretty sure he and Rob grew up in BC so it's close enough. Also I think the options are just Ohlund and Edler right?
Dan buddy we somewhat agree today. Quinn is a lot like young Morgan rielly. Amazing with the puck but often had poor positioning in his own end. I remember Babcock not playing rielly on the pp until he sorted his defensive issue. Quinn is so young, there’s plenty of time for him to build a solid two way game. But as of now, he is a liability in his own end.
I think Dan is missing the point. Quinn may be the best powerplay quarterback in the league and have insane offensive instincts, but the guy gets out worked, outplayed, and outmuscled almost every shift five on five. Don’t get me wrong, I love Huggy bear, and it sucks that we lost Tanev. But Quinn needs to focus on the defensive side of things, helping his new partner and playing responsibly, even if that means sacrificing some offensive production. This is on coaching too for not pushing him to strengthen his defensive game.
What no he doesn’t lol
@@dtrain9911 He gets out muscled CONSTANTLY. He gets walked around. He CANNOT clear anyone out from the front of the net. He gets his points, and that is it. Give him 2 minutes per powerplay, and play him 17 or 18 minutes a game against the opposition's 2nd line. And that is it. If you can't see that, then you have no idea about hockey.
He's gotten better as the season has gone on. You have to live with some of the risks he takes with the skillset he has.
I agree with you that he’s looked better, and he’s an outstanding offensive talent. But on the backend, he could clean up his positioning a little bit like Adam Fox and he would be amazing.
Makar is the best powerplay QB in the league. Far better than Quinn.
I'm Really glad this is being brought to the spot light. It doesn't matter if he's a kid, the excuses don't matter. you're drafted as a defenseman, you play defense. Your #1 priority is to prevent goals, not make them. Even if Canucks had Tanev, was he expected to cover for both of them? Too many people get caught up in the points, but they don't matter if you're letting in 2 to 3 for every point you have the other way.
when the best defenseman on the team doesn't play defense, there's a problem. especially when canucks as a team don't perform up to their potential
Well Quinn Hughes has never played defence. Thats why he played with Tanev. Unfortunately as Benning let Tanev go, we now see how bad Hughes really is with defence.
He's basically a playmaker who does his best work on the blue line. That said, the Canucks badly need more two-way forwards on the depth lines to really make Hughes effective and allow him to focus on his offensive priorities rather than try to make him do too much at once.
The canucks biggest issues this season.
1. No partner for Quinn Hughes
2. Not enough scoring in the middle 6
3. No more all-star caliber goaltender
Man losing Tanev Toffoli and Markstrom has REALLY hurt this team.
Losing Tanev was huge! Like my colleague was right after all, Hughes is really missing Tanev! It seems like he really needed him bad!
That’s a pretty solid assessment, but I’d add that their top players just haven’t performed at the same high level they did last year.
On your third point, Demko says hi
You mean no baby sitter for Hughes? Maybe the new guys dont want to baby sit the kid so he can get points while they do all the hard work?
He is an offensively minded defenseman. Essentially he's a two way forward who plays the point. You have to give him a Tanev type to play beside him to make up for his defensive downfalls. Y'all loved him when Vancouver was winning, and hate him now that they're struggling. Haha.
Nobody hates him. We just know he can be a lot better than he is right now. We're waiting for him to realize his Norris potential.
@@billytessio6326 hates him was worded incorrectly, on my part. Hates ON him, would be more accurate.
@@dmac26official He is a -15. Understand that? He is a defenseman who is minus 15 in 26 games. Pointing that out, and talking about that is not "hating on him". Do you understand that?
@@energyvampire1379 youre typing like a Mark Wahlberg cutaway from Family Guy.
@@dmac26official Wow, you got me dude. That was a ruthless comment. You really put me in my place. That being said, you are obviously not very bright. Let me try to say it again, and this time I will type slowly, so maybe you can understand. Pointing out his bad defensive play is not hating on him. It is called "pointing out the obvious".
losing chris tanev really has hurt with his production. Chris plays that stay at home defensive role really well it allowing him to play more a forward role in terms of pinching up in the play. With tanev gone quinn has been exposed by that.
I still believe long term the Canucks will be okay without that Tanev contract on the books.
Hurt his production... Quinn leads the league in defensemen points dude. His production is more than fine.
Sean Paul His production is not the problem. He leads all defenseman in points. It's his all around game that needs more work.
I'm not a plus/minus guy, but when you have that many points and +/- is that bad, there's a problem.
My thoughts exactly
That's a fair take, but you have to keep in mind that +/- is more of a team/linemate stat than it is a solo player stat. I'm not saying Hughes hasn't been a bum defensively, he has, but the fact that EVERYONE on the Canucks, not just him, had an awful start to the year didn't help those numbers, but they've been getting better as the team has been getting better around him.
@@Vertius_x He has 22 points, and is a -15. That is the 3rd worst plus minus in the league. There is a problem.
Quinn Hughes is a powerplay guy, and a guy you play against a teams 2nd line. You pick your spots with him. He's too small to play physical. He can't move guys from in front of the net. He doesn't make opposing forwards fear going down his side. He gets his points, and that's it. He should be playing less than 20 minutes a game. He's not a minute muncher. Vancouver Canuck fans need to accept that.
Defending isn't just about size. Jared Spurgeon is a prime example of that.
You don't win cups with a player like Hughes on your back end. Kid is a power play specialist and nothing more. If he doesn't have a baby sitter his goals against will always out number his 5 on 5 goals for.
The ballerina defenseman experiment needs to end.
#1 scoring defenseman in the league 🤷♂️gotta take risks with the defense game when your the most elite offensive defensemen in the NHL
... What good are those individuals points if they can’t even make it to the playoffs?
For every Point he scored, he lets in another 2 at even strength. the points mean nothing if your letting them in at the opposite end. He's safer when he's on the bench.
Gass Smoke Hedman is right there with him, and I know Hedman is 30 and has a decade more experience than Hughes, but Hedman is also still good defensively too. I hope Hughes turns into that type of D-man who is exceptional at both ends of the ice and not like an Erik Karlsson or Brent Burns who were both great offensively at one time but were also Mediocre to below average defensively. Hedman is the type of player Hughes should strive to be. Not some 4th forward who gives up more than he can produce.
Kid barely cracked the top 10 this year and he will get worse every year the more teams target him. Kid is soft as a box of tissues. Cale Makar is the premier young defenseman in the league by the way.
Canucks- We need an elite Bobby Orr kinda offensive defenseman. Also Canucks- here he is, better chain him in his own end...
It's not a contradiction. Bobby Orr wasn't considered bad on defense even though he was an offensive force. The phrase 'two-way player' exists for a reason.
Bobby Orr had a plus minus of OVER +500 in his career. No, that is not a typo. He was OVER +500. Don't even mention Hughes name with Bobby Orr, man.
He is the only elite defenseman on the team. He is a small guy. He is not Makar. And is in his second year and has taken a beating in pretty much every game and may be playing with broken ribs from crosschecks about five games ago. Anybody think Benn is close to a top pairing? It is just silly to think he can carry this team by himself.
Who said Benn is a top pairing guy? No one in history has ever said Benn is a top pairing guy. Schmidt hasn't been good. Myers hasn't been good. Edler has been terrible. And Hamonic has been just ok in the games he has played. And Benn does not play above any of those guys. No one expects Hughes to "carry the team", but to be better than MINUS 15 in 26 games, would be nice.
He is young and has a small build. Give him time to learn and he will be solid defensively one day.
I think that putting Hughes on the PK would be a good way to get up his defensive game
LOL!! By having him not clear anyone out from the front of the net? By having him get out muscled on the boards? How in the hell would that help his defensive game. Being a D man on the penalty kill ain't the same as being a forward on the penalty kill. Putting him on the pk would be a fricking disaster.
@@energyvampire1379 the season is done, sell high on the assets available and let Hughes expand his skills becoming a killer. He won’t be be noris quality until he kills penalties, puts on some muscle and strength
@@colesiebert6829 There is no question the season is done. But I don't think that his play, and his size would benefit from being on the PK. He would just get pounded out there. Powerplay, and 2nd pairing minutes. And hope he puts on some muscle in the future.
@@energyvampire1379 right now he is a good offensive defence man, but not a good defence man, I think that leaning that shut down style needed for the PK would help him when the puck is in his own end when he doesn’t have the puck
Cole Siebert I actually don't see why not. The Canucks season is lost at this point. Canucks should use this season as a building block season and develop Hughes' defensive instincts. Turn him into a complete defenseman who can produce and also defend. It will be a huge benefit in the future.
Looks Cale for Calder was the right call huh
If you switched their teams, I bet Makar would be awful and Hughes would be good. Canucks' team defense is like a perpetual 5 on 4
@@aerialkick nope because makar is responsible in his own end and has some of the best advanced stats. Great players find ways to still play good in poor situations. Hughes is a stud but makar is better this year and last year
As a Canuck fan I agree 100%. I never ever said that Hughes was a better D man than Makar during their rookie seasons. My friends had the same opinion. And truth be told, I never heard ANYONE say that Hughes deserved the Calder over Makar. It sounds like something you made up, just to talk about.
You leave huggy bear alone! He's a power play quarterback. The issues is that we don't have a Tanev type player to play stay at home D while he generates points!
I'd agree, but he's been statistically worse in his own zone than Cody ceci, Jack Johnson, Mike Matheson, and like everyone else you think of as bad defensively. It's a yiiiiiiikes
@@nickymolitoris799 with Jordie Benn it seemed better with Hamonic not to sure it has gone down a bit
Hughes defensive game is a lot better than Myers, Schmidt, Hamonic or even Edler. So don't complain when he has been given the Canucks so many points. The entire defence is the problem. The forwards have to back check more to help out because we are not good enough on a nightly basis to outscore the opposing NHL team with the bottom 6 that we have.
Lol worst take yet. What other person actually thinks the names you mentioned are WORSE than Hughes defensively?
One of the leagues best defenseman.
how? because he puts up points? read his job description and title DEFENSE. defensive stats also include; blocked shots, hits, turn overs, +/-
Doug Nelson * Offensive defenseman. Hughes has potential, but he needs to develop at the other end more too. If he can do that, he could be the best D-man in the League.
He should be a forward
He'd get eaten up as a forward going in to forecheck, thats why he plays the back end so he has more time and space to rush. He just doesn't play the defensive part of the back end.
Quick answer yes, he blows defensively
Early gang where you at?
I dont think it ia that. I just think the pairing he has is bad. He was better with tanev
Of course it is! He can’t defend!
Not really. John Carlson has never been able to play defense for us but he’s made a pretty good career for himself
Carlsons very good at D. I’m a huge caps fan he’s just on the ice for 25 minutes a night so he is gonna have lapses
Skurbz Carlson has terrible defence metrics but he’s still a great player
@@Skurbbz I'm convinced you don't actually watch hockey.
I really don't care for Randips takes! If sportsnet was smart they would have cleaned house and picked up most of the ex #TSN1040 team!
Go Leafs Go
Not even a Stanley Cup finals since 1967!! ROFLMAO!! 1967!!! 1967!!! 1967!!! What an embarrassing joke of a franchise.
DEEP REACH, only a problem on a bad team. (Every team in the NHL will gladly take him on their hands lol)
That’s for sure, but he isn’t outscoring his defensive play anymore. That can be an issue IF it continues. I’m not worried.
Small player is no use for this team, other Stanley competitors smash him on the board and size way bigger than him
Is English your second language? Your point may be right, but your comment looks like it was written by a Russian person.
Ah yes, the Kris Letang issue.
Letang has two cups.
@@DanRiccioGolf And yet more recently he’s playing like a forward, he’s good offensively, but the defense suffers when he’s that aggressive.
Both of these guys are so clueless, how do these people make a living talking hockey?
Why? Quinn Hughes is one of the worst D-man in the league defensively.
The stupidity of some TH-cam commenters is amazing. It's a good thing you don't get paid to make intelligent comments there, Ricky.
no
Leafs are gonna steamroll Vancouver
@TMB Yep. 👍
TMB Oooh boy. Aged like Ozzy lmao
Third
First!
He’s way too small for the NHL don’t get the hype
Lmao you dont get hockey then
And Brad Marchand and Braydon Point are too small too, right?
@@mattschneider4473 Marchand isn’t a defenceman
@@chadgrov Alright, but Cale Makar is only like an inch taller than Hughes and he seems to be just fine.
@@chadgrov not a defenseman yet plays a very aggressive game lol. Hell look at Hoglander he's 5'9 and lays the body