Basically the same method we use in the UK Armed Forces, except we didn't roll the bivi up, we simply stuffed the whole lot into the center of the 120 litre Bergen (ruck), that way it was always protected. To deploy the system I would open up the ruck, pull the bivi half way out, and get in with the ruck still attached, so my feet would be in the ruck. The ruck had side pouches, so you could sit up and access them at your feet, and your webbing (belt kit) would sit at your head. It meant you could still access everything in total darkness. To move off at speed in the dark, simply get up, get out, and push the whole lot back into the ruck, webbing on, ruck on, good to go. For sleeping in boots two bin liner bags over the boots works great at keeping the mud out of the sleeping bag, you can still 'bug out' with the bin liners on your feet if you need to.
@@ImaSMACKHEAD982 that's because you clearly didn't have the right technique!!! (see above). Seriously though, its called a 'sleeping system', and as we all know no British Army system ever did what it was suposed to do! Hope you are sleeping now, sometimes I don't!
@@michaelramos7026 I might try and do just that, but I'm old and decrepid now and it probably won't look as graceful as it did (if ever) in my 20's and 30's.
One tip we used in the infantry. If you have to wear your boots in your bivy, turn your sleeping bag stuff sack inside out and put your feet in that first, then into your sleep system. Great video.
I use a very similar set-up. Two tips I will add are 1. You can lay down fine twigs and dry foliage to create a mattress under you. A comfortable bed that also prevents damage to the bag from sharp rocks. 2. A small lightweight tarp can make a huge difference if it rains. Goretex needs a clean dry outer surface to function properly. If it's wet the water vapour from your body will collect inside as condensation. Also when the rain is hitting the bag 2cm from your ear it is very noisy and will keep you awake! Hope that's some useful advice.
Just want to add for us cake eaters, having a small mylar-lined inflatable sleeping mat rolled into the set up makes a HUGE difference and adds a lot of insulation value. Same operation as the video, you just quickly blow up the mat and then deflate it before rolling back up. Have it placed between the bivy bag and the sleeping bag rather than outside and below. Obviously this requires a bit of a larger bivy but keeps it all ready to simply roll out.
Hi! Thanks for great advice! Is there condensation inside the bag even though it is GorTex? I thought GorTex was designed to breathe when it rains and that is their main selling point. So if you're wearing a GorTex rain parka or bivy sack and it's raining you'll still get wet from condensation? I suppose the condensation is of course much less than regular rain gear. Also with temperature differences, when it's very cold you'll get condensation too? Does GorTex hold up in very cold or does it get stiff and the inner membrane crack?
@@mwj5368 Breathable membranes don´t work above 15 °C and they can only transmit a limited amount of sweat/hour. Therefore if you are a heavy sweater and are performing intensive acrivities you will get a lot of condensation. I live in northern Germany we get rarely temperatures under -10 °C, therefore I can not say if the membranes can withstand arctic temperatures over a long time. I know that arctic expeditions use it, but how long the eqipment can perform under such circumstances is not clear. Overall, it´s the far better idea to use traditional raingear like nonbreathable ponchos, or waxed cottonjackets, wool ect.
I have been experimenting with this concept for a few months. I found that for me, it works better strapped under the backpack. It lowers the centre of gravity instead of pushing it away from you. I added an extra outside layer: a waterproof ground sheet. It is an old BW rubbericed poncho that folds open, with the bivvi+mat+sleeping bag roll inside. It gives me a somewhat clean and dry ground around my stuff, plus when everything is rolled it protects the roll from abrasion, cuts and so on. I found that if the bivvy bag is the outermost layer it will not last long (I am using a cheap comercial bivvy, maybe with a military surpluss one the ground sheet is not a "need" but a "want")
There is another advantage. When you use the „elephantenhaut“ (rubberized ground sheet) you have a robust outer layer around the Bivvy when rolled and attached to your bagpack/Rucksack. So the Bivvy is far less likely to get damaged rushing through dense vegetation or in rough terrain.
It is a good system , back in the search and rescue days in the Washington State rain forests some of us used this system , saved a lot of time on missions , we also never had time to build a camp fire . That’s back when my most common food in the field , was an esar sandwich , it packed well in a ziplock bag didn’t matter if it got smashed in your pack , very nourishing, lasted a long time , and very filling . Basically three slices of whole wheat bread . The outside slices both had thick layer of peanut butter facing in , the third slice , placed in the middle, was saturated with honey on both sides , the peanut butter on the outside slices kept the honey contained inside the middle layer so that it was not messy. You made them ahead of time and stored them in the fridge, waiting for the next mission. Worked great for the times you could not make a proper meal , which was often.
English is clearly not your native language. GREAT JOB. Thanks for making this video for us single-language English speakers. Never apologize for not knowing English. Keep up the excellent work!
Some countries in Europe you have to learn English in school as a second language. Because of the US troops station there. Also he may did some of military time with Canadian, English, or US troops
@@elliothagen9874 Doesn't really have that much to do with the US troops that are stationed here. Many also have to choose between latin or french as a third language, sometimes you can pick spanish English literature is just omnipresent. Especially in technical documentation of software. I don't know a single European country where you don't learn at least a second language, many have it mandatory that pupils even learn a third language
In Denmark we call this a "Jægerpølse". Translates to "Jäger sausage" / "Huntsmen sausage" - in reference to our special forces unit called Jægerkorpset / Huntsmen Corps. Personally, I don't like the extra bulk of the setup, so I prefer to keep my sleeping pad on the outside of the pack and my bivy with the sleeping bag inside my ruck. Whenever I arrive at patrol base or where ever I need to sleep, I just lay out my sleeping pad and throw the bivy on top. Almost as fast, but less bulky.
Exactly the same type of set up I use. Savotta roll mat, British army goretex bivi bag, 2 season sleeping bag.. I add a cheap groundsheet to protect the kit and a snugpak jungle blanket in colder weather, possibly with a British army basha. But that's the full extent and what i regard as luxury lol.. Oh, and a half roll mat extra in winter for under the body core. Great vid. First time watcher..
We used to make tanker rolls like this; except the sleeping mat was outside the bivy. You could fold the bag and bivy in half lengthwise, then it wouldn't stick out past the edges of the mat. Just like this, unroll and get in. Great video!
Most of guys over here do the same but I'm a night dancer and unless the bivvy is hooped I'd just slide off of it. The solution was pad inside and some nylon duct taped on the outside of the bivy (protection from sharp stuff)
This is a similar system in the US Army. The US Army ECWCS sleep system comes with a gortex bivy and two liners, a lightweight summer liner and a thicker winter liner. Paired with a foam sleeping pad and US Army scout half shelter...or US Marine two person combat tent....can't beat it!
I have the old gortex woodland bivy which I paired with an old N. Korean war down winter bag. Easily my fav setup. But I also pair up a large fleece blanket w/ large wool blanket a reflective blanket and silicone washed polish canvas lavvu sometimes. For ground I throw down sheet of 4mil black plastic 8× 8/10/12 can be doubled or sheltered...cheap and light.
I additionally place mine in a drybag. While it does help keep it dry, the main reason is it protects the bivy from damage by branches, thorns, rocks, etc
Another upside is, if you die you already have a waterproof body bag. I'd also recommend folding it in half and putting it in a larger dry bag, which is easier to mount below or on top of the Ruck - at least in my opinion.
Is it really that easy to fold up when that rubber thingy is on the inside like in the video, or do you use something different? (Sorry for newbie questions) Edit: he called it a sleeping mat
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Here in Norway we have some very good foam Mats with r-value up to 3,5. Also we have something called fjellduk. It roughly translates to Mountain tarp, and is a favoritte amongst soldiers, hunter and outdoorspeople. It's a piece of tarp that is water and wind proof. It has a heat refective metallic inside, and most have a layer of insulation too. It can be used for shelter, as a bivy, poncho, anything really. If your friend has one too, you can zip them together. I think all soldiers here are issued them now...
For a setup like this, using the foam pad on the outside to protect the goretex/sleeping bag from getting ripped or popped works pretty well, like you talk about at 7:50.
That was my biggest criticism before he mentioned it near the end. Here in the woodlands of Canada, that bivy would get shredded to bits getting snagged and caught on branches.
@@TheTarotCardGuy good on him for mentioning it, but yeah in my experience even just rolling that goretex up like he did would/could result in holes in it
Id only do it like he does here with a cheap groundsheet. I use one and fitted sheet straps/fasteners, it’s a makeshift bivvy bag. Protects form drafts but allows some breathability for moisture to evaporate. Gotta use a small tarp above me though, as it won’t fully protect me from dew. Ground sheet 120g and tarp 310g, 15d nylon.
As an American in am starting to enjoy your series. You are giving good sound advise for beginners or others looking for new ideas. I am sorry that you have to deal with know it all critics who somehow fail to understand that you are just showing what you carry, not what everyone else should carry. Thank you, love your darker grey color, blends in perfectly with a dark, damp Forest. I am German by decent so it must be a German thing to love the Forest or Wald. Keep up the good work! Auf wiedersehen!!
I've used a bivy and am a big fan, but lately I've been liking the Poncho + Liner combination more. I can get out of it more quickly, and I can wear it around camp or on the move as well. I add a wool blanket and tyvek sheet on the inside for colder weather
I've been thinking about trying a Poncho + Liner system myself, as opposed to my current Marine surplus 3-part system with a Bivy, do you have any tips or suggestions that could help me out, in terms of good choices of poncho brands/where to buy them?
@@zvoonyoutube1855 helikon tex has an amazing liner called swagman roll (it works as a warm poncho for not-too-heavy rain itself) - durable, works as a sleeping bag or a quilt and is light. Can be attached to surplus US army poncho, their own poncho based on the US one, and, with some modification, the dutch one. If you don't care about hood on the liner and sleeping bag feature onewind has an amazing, cheaper alternative. If you want the poncho to be spark-proof and don't mind the weight - waxed 230g (8oz) cotton canvas is a simple no-sew solution (cut a hole, add a zipper or buttons and a rainflap which requires only basic field sewing), you can then sew on attachment points for any liner you like and add a hood. The price is laughable (wax is the most expensive part, unless you include YKK zippers) and you really don't need proper sewing skills for it. Snugpak has a really cool poncho-anorak hybrid which easily covers the backpack, has sleeves and kangaroo pocket. It's also much larger than the us and even dutch duty poncho. Idk about their liner unfortunately.
I used to store my sleeping bag inside my goretex bivvy bag, then roll that up inside my ALICE pack. Sleeping mat would be stored separately inside/outside the pack (depending on mission load out), and used under the bivvy bag when sleeping. Benefits: bivvy bag is protected from damage when stored inside the pack, also the sleeping mat protects the underside of the bivvy bag when sleeping.
Great video! I always thought bivys was for extreme minimalists who wanted to get the weight down at the cost of comfort, but as long as you can sit up and look around and do stuff while in the bivy, it becomes more like cowboy camping, which is really nice compared to looking at tent walls. I got the Hilleberg Bivanorak, which works both as a bivy and raingear that is big enough for me to fit my 65liter backpack underneath it. It is kinda similar to a rainponcho, but it needs to be singed up around the waist, which limits the ventilation a bit, but it is still plenty better than more tight fitting raingear. With this i can sit up and look around, and even walk around and take a pee without going out of my dry and warm shelter. This takes very little space in the backpack, and as it only weighs 500g, i can easily bring both this and my Zpacks Duplex tent if im going on a longer trip. Then i have a pretty good set of raingear, and 2 different shelters, suited for different terrain and weather conditions. When it comes to comfort, i kinda lean towards preferring a tent as a shelter, but the cowboy camping feeling i get with the Bivanorak really makes up for the small difference in comfort, and the freedom of being able to set up camp right on a somewhat narrow trail is way better than having to search for a relatively big open area for a tent. Setting up and taking down a tent is a bit of work, while with the Bivanorak i only have to inflate my sleeping pad and remove some sharp sticks and pinecones from a relatively small part of the trail. The Bivanorak also allow me to set up camp right by a lake, as long as i have a drybag to protect the stuff i dont want to get wet from condensation. Condensation can still be an issue on the warmer summer nights though - if you have a uncomfortably warm sleeping bag - as the perspiration from the body will get trapped inside the bivy...
Sleeping on the trail sounds dangerous. Please consider that moose, deers, reindeers and bears are happy to use hiking trails. Especially dusk and dawn
Lieber Rippy, nach all den Jahren, Du bist immer noch der taktisch geilste TH-camr in Germany. Bitte versorge uns weiter mit dem geilen scheiß, ich lerne immer noch von Dir. DeinStamm
Use this kind sleeping bag system during winter in Swiss army’s. Bivy/sleeping bag/polar bag Never fell in sleep so fast, with rifle and boots in the bivy. Rest of the clothes and water in the sleeping bag. (Some tried to let they rifle out during night and couldn’t find it in the morning until they ask sergeant 😂)
I do this sometimes, I have an extra large dry sack to put my roll in to protect the bivi bag from abrasion. It is like a modern, lightweight version of what in Australia we traditionally call a "swag". Typically swags are canvas and are usually used in conjunction with heavy, bulky bedding material, not lightweight backpacking gear, and are used primarily for car/4x4 based camping.
I've found heading for the nearest Travel Lodge or small hotel works wonders for protecting me from wet and cold nights. I then set out early next morning and start walking again. A small tip from the UK 😉😄😄
Never cheap out on your sleeping mat. I recently camped in Scotland in the early spring and the ground was barely above freezing. I could feel where my hip pressed into the ground. It felt as cold as ice and sucked the heat out of me.
@@cryptokev1759 Sound decision mate. Funny thing about mats is that unless you buy some big inflatable one, most of them are light. ALL foam ones are light as a feather.... but for some reason it was always low on my priority list. Next camp in October Im going with a thick foam pad, a thin insulated floor mat so I dont get cold when my feet or legs hit the floor of the tent, and a couple of space blankets for emergencies. Good luck on your camps mate.
This is not my thing - I'm a tent guy - but I thought it was pretty cool. I like looking at ways to simplify things. I also like that your video generated a lot of useful comments from military people who actually know what they're doing. Thanks for the video. I just subscribed and I'll be looking at some of your other content soon. Peace.
Ich öffne den Reißverschluss am Biwaksack ein wenig um ihn zusammen zu rollen damit die Luft zunächst besser entweichen kann. Erst wenn ich oben am Reißverschluss angekommen bin wird dieser verschlossen. Wenn man Luft durch den geschlossenen Biwaksack presst, kann dieser Schaden nehmen oder seine Wasserbeständigkeit verlieren. Biwaksack bei schlechtem Wetter nur in Kombi mit tarp sonst alles nass bis man ein-/oder ausgestiegen ist.
In thick brush you can make it smaller by folding it in half lengthwise before rolling - gives you a bigger diameter but very compact. Using compression-straps helps compacting it even more. To keep the weight close to the body, you can either attach it to you hip belt (butt-pack) or on top (behind your head) - could help against snipers too a little bit ;-)) Cowboys had a very similar system, called "bedroll" from wool-blankets and oilskin canvas - they carried it behind the saddle (as you can watch in old cowboy-films). Pathfinders carried it across the shoulder, they tied the ends together to make it a loop.
Man that ground looks so nice and soft. I wish I had that here! I haven’t found a way to sleep comfortably on rocky Missouri ground without a 4 1/4” pad so usually I use a hammock here. Hammock for down to 25F and tent with thick pad for below 25F
I've had a similar Bivy for many years with the added feature of thin flexible ribs to create a small one man tent, which can, although very tightly, sleep two. The main draw back to these is that they can be too warm in summer months and not quite warm enough with snow on the ground. Also a rain fly tarp is a great addition to keep the surrounding ground free of rain. Even so, a bivy is a great selection for a one man shelter because it is light, reasonably compact, and generally does as advertised. ;-)
We are in the middle of a blizzard here in Ontario, and while i have a sleeping bag and tarp etc in my vehicle, making something like this would be an ideal addition. If I were to have this on my pack, I would put it in a compression stuff sack and see if that could assist in making it narrower. The sleeping pad might impact that working well however.
Thanks! This is exactly the approach I landed on, but using an air bed, pillow, flextail tiny pump and sleeping bag in the bivvy bag, all stored in an exped dry sack, in the bergen. Super convenient. The UK, US and Dutch military bivvy bags are all excellent (but very different in size, weight and function).
Make a kip mat using two thinner mats and glue a mylar sheet in between the two so that it reflects heat back to the body and the cold back to the ground. The problem with sticking the bivi bag on the outside is that if it catches on a branch, barbed wire fence etc it can rip. You will be better to get a large molle fixture stuff pouch and put that on the back of the bergen with the bivi bag etc in it.
I've been thinking about this quite a bit recently, I'd keep my foam mat and inflatable inside while transporting then attach them both to the outside when I'm setting up (i use the Dutch hooped bivi so it takes a bit of setup anyway) and make sure the foam mat is on the bottom to protect the inflatable from punctures. I'd potentially even wrap this with a small ground sheet just to prolong the bivi's life and make cleaning easier
Hey man, look up a "swag". We use them here in Australia more than tents. Mattress and pillow gets rolled up. You can take the foam mattress out and replace it with an inflatable mattress if you want to pack it down smaller. Only suitable for car camping. Good budget one is the Kings brand. Good higher end ones are the darche and 23zero brands.
Bivys are good for a little lite rain, but I can assure you in Oregons Willamette Valley Goretex will soak through becuz it rains for days. Way better at higher altitude in the snow I feel. And for the record the goretex bivy I speak of is part of the ECWS military sleep system used by US forces currently
Thermal break, then insulation, then sleeping bag. I looked at what Inuit do on ice shelves for sleeping. I need a sleeping bag that wicks moisture. Or add light weight wool blanket. It will help keep sleeping bag dry for many more days of use. I am camping with family or at bear camp with temps 32F/0C at night sometimes. Inflatables just seem to loose more body heat than needed. When you keep it simple it's preventing the 4 types of heat loss. 1. Convection 2. Radiation 3. Evaporation 4. Conduction
Achja der Biwak, ich bin so froh dass ich aus der Bundeswehr raus bin, studiert habe und mir diese Videos immer aus dem warmen und gemütlichen anschauen kann und ich immer ein schönes Hotelzimmer habe mit Dusche =)
I prefer having the closed cell sleeping pad on the outside, because sooner or later you will end up puncturing your bivy, and that's not good. I have been experimenting using a combination of both closed cell and inflatable sleeping mats, with a mylar blanket in between. It works well for me when it is really cold.
Nice video. I'm not sure if I will use it (most places I hike at the moment require you to sleep at a camp site), but I like the whole explanation. Also nice that you point out the downsides of this setup.
This is what I do when I wake up in the morning and it is raining and I just want to get out of there quickly. The tarp is the only thing which gets packed up wet.
I do not use a biwibag but a plash palatka in the same manner..just spend a night here in sakatchewan canada in minus20 right under the stars with no shelter other then the biwi made from the plash palatka...I do not like synthetic outer shells as sparks usually take their toll on the material and 100% cotton canvas is far better ...but that is preference ...great video..I assume you are in the forces and therefore this system works possibly much better for you as you always get a new biwi when you burned the shit out of it while we civilians need to pay our self... have fun and stay in the woods
I would include a pneumatic insolation mattress on top of the ridged mattress. I would stuff the whole system into waterproof sack, then attach it to the bottom of the pack. This would provide another layer of protection from travel damage.
Just saying, Gore-Tex did not stand up against thorny bushes, my rain pants were leak as a sieve after wearing it on and off 2 months in the dunes. And it was not raining much at all. The point is, you can get leaks with Gore-Tex easily if there is a sharp twig or something like that. I would rather clear the area before you throw down your Gore-Tex bivy bag. It may not be the lightest thing to carry around, but i would take a foldable NATO shovel, so you can have a clear area to sleep on. You also sleep better when you are not laying on something hard. Also, i tried the bivy bag idea, it gets really moist when it is all closed up, even with the top open but with the bug netting in place. I had more of a bivy tent with the arcs around the head. It is however fast, and light to use it, but its not ideal. I much rather sleep in a shallow trench with 2 square heavy canvas raincoats over it. But that does not keep the bugs out... I dont know how many bugs ive ate, but the last few weeks i was in the dunes i did not use a tent. Maybe one of those muskito nets for around the head is a good investment. That way you can sleep outside without bugs entering your nose and mouth. They will crawl into every opening they can find if you give them a chance to. If i were to stay somewhere for a bit longer time, i would definitely build a small shelter in the ground. But you really have to study how to do that. When i was in the dunes, i did just that, but i was thinking to large. So i only read a book.. Greetings, Jeff
Good tips but I normally roll mine up with the mat on the outside otherwise I'm always worried about snagging the bivvy material in a bush or tree etc when I'm walking
This is the beginnings of a great idea, but I see several aspects for improvement. 1) Continually rolling or folding Gore-Tex in the same manner causes wear along the creases which over time, causes holes to wear through. A stuff sack may help in this. 2) The sleep mat (if it is the foam kind) can be cut to be more precise in the size of the person's shoulder width, height, and of course cut even more narrow past the hips, along the legs and feet area. This gives a very slight decrease in weight of the bivakrolle, but a much more considerable reduction in size, taking up less space and making the rucksack with the sleeping system more maneuverable. 3) For those that want an inflatable sleep mat, one of those self inflating mats may be best. It will setup almost immediately, but will add a few minutes in the time it takes to pack up the sleep system because you have to wring the air out of it. 4) A small support pole (or branch) could be used to act as a tent pole, creating an air loft over the face. This would not only provide more comfort and keep mosquitoes further away, the air space above the face would have an insulating property. (Unless it's windy) Similarly: 5) I would prefer to use this setup with a poncho or small tarp rigged over it. This would not only conceal the rucksack and gear, but keep it (and your face) dry should it rain. It would add a few more minutes in setup and take down time, but as someone who has slept under a tarp in the cold, I can tell you it keeps the cold from sinking into your bed a bit, reflects your body heat somewhat and will keep your gear dry. 6) I would add to this sleep system a fleece blanket or sleeping bag and a sleeping bag liner. The liner can be slept in alone on hot nights, under the Gore-Tex will provide a more comfortable layer, will provide a slight insulative layer in addition to the sleeping bag on cooler nights and of course, can be cleaned easier, extending the life of the sleeping bag. The fleece blanket, sleeping bag or poncho liner can either be folded up to add additional insulation and softness to beneath the person, rolled or folded into a pillow or layered inside the waterproof shell to provide extra insulation on extremely cold nights. This will of course add a pound or two more of overall weight and some bulk, so this need only be added in colder environments. 7) Another survival trick I started devising is (in situations where you actually have some time to change, be more comfortable and hang your worn, dirty or wet clothes up while you sleep) it is extremely convenient to have a clean set of long johns and warm socks laid out inside your sleeping bag liner. If you are desperate for sleep, you can just lay on top of them or move them aside. If your clothing have become wet from weather or sweat, having clean, dry clothes to change into to sleep is not only one of the biggest morale boosters I've ever used to help me get a good sleep, but in an extreme cold situation, it MAY SAVE YOUR LIFE. Add gloves and a balaclava if you might need to sleep in an extremely cold environment. 8) I like adding a mosquito net to my sleep gear, should the environment require it. Some are like a pyramid shape, just big enough to cover your sleeping bag and compact down to the size of a baseball. *You will need to suspend the peak with a rope from a branch to keep the mosquitoes from reaching you, but in a humid, insect infested area, it can mean the difference between a nice sleep and a horrible one or getting malaria or some other mosquito borne illness. Add a place to hide a pistol while you're sleeping and a place to put my phone and I'm good to go!
Great video thanks. I tried this with my Hunka XL bivi/Snugpak/foam mat combo. What I did was a rolled up from the foot end first and that forced out all the air then rolled back down. Took me less time than rolling down from the top and trying to force all the air out.
I use a surplus US MSS (Modular Sleep System) that's crammed into its dedicated compression bag. I keep that and a poncho liner in a waterproof bag in my ALICE pack. I keep a dedicated shelter kit consisting of 2 tarps, rope (paracord too) and tent stakes in a MOLLE waist bag suspended from the 2 strapping points on the bottom of the bag. I also keep a folded up sleeping pad between my back and the frame of the pack
Keep it n mind when buying a sleeping matt, if you buy an inflatable matt for below freezing weather. You will need a self inflating Matt and or a pump to air it up. If you use your lungs to fill it up, the condensation from your breath will condense and freeze inside the Matt.
i do the same but use an inflatable matress and down bag inside the bivvy then all inside a 20l drybag to keep the size down and keep it dry. sits at the bottom of my pack so can be quickly pulled out from the bottom opening of the bag
If I was using that everyday when rolling it up and it builds up the air pocket I would unzip it a little and let the air out more easily for your survival sleeping system. Letting air rush out all the little cracks puts alot stress on the fabric.
As recently as the 1980s, Junior Leaders went on exercise with two gray army blankets in a bin bag, which they had to somehow cram into an issue large pack. If the blankets got wet, they'd freeze all night. New recruits were taught to cope with the very basics. It was a very different and much tougher era.
yes -10 , its -34 hear now rh has gone to90% as the air can not hold much moisture at this temp although it would be much lower at a higher temp also the wind chill is -45. moving your role to vertical is critical to being alive in the morning as it means fewer holes
I paid over 500.00 American for my carinthia xp 2 plus. The advantage of an outside quick deployment system isn’t worth the risk of ripping it on a briar/thorn bush…………. I’ll keep her stuffed away!!!! Great video and concept.
I usually carry a tarp, a mat and a sleeping bag, so i just span the tarp, then prep the rest underneath. Upside of this system the time you spend with setting it up is later saved when getting undressed in human conditions, istead of inside a bivi sack. Also ive never worn shoes inside my sleeping bag, i will sleep naked in every thing above -10C.
Great system i have my foam mat on the outside and an inflatable on the inside if its cold i will pump the inflatable if not i just leave it deflated the foil inner will add a tiny amount of extra warmth when not inflated.
@ripperkon hello from America. Appreciate your time and effort in these videos, you seem to be a really nice guy and the videos are relaxing to watch. So I like your dark green jacket and pants. Are they German military issued, or can we order them from somewhere? Even internationally? I know here in the US we have plenty of great quality gear and clothing to choose from or even issued, but that seems to be a specific, darker color of green that looks great in the wilderness like that. If possible could you inform us of how or if we can find this jacket and pants you're wearing? It's such a dark olive and blends in well with dark forests. Keep up the great work, we enjoy your information and kind way of speaking.
Hey, even after 2 years this is one of the most complete and great video I've seen on this subjects. May I ask you the brand of your sleeping equipements? I think de sleeping bag is a Carinthia but I don't know for the bivy and the sleeping mat. Thanks for answer men ;)
Basically the same method we use in the UK Armed Forces, except we didn't roll the bivi up, we simply stuffed the whole lot into the center of the 120 litre Bergen (ruck), that way it was always protected. To deploy the system I would open up the ruck, pull the bivi half way out, and get in with the ruck still attached, so my feet would be in the ruck. The ruck had side pouches, so you could sit up and access them at your feet, and your webbing (belt kit) would sit at your head. It meant you could still access everything in total darkness. To move off at speed in the dark, simply get up, get out, and push the whole lot back into the ruck, webbing on, ruck on, good to go. For sleeping in boots two bin liner bags over the boots works great at keeping the mud out of the sleeping bag, you can still 'bug out' with the bin liners on your feet if you need to.
Would love to see a demonstration to illustrate your technique
Sleeping? British army? 😅 i didnt sleep in 11 and half years
@@ImaSMACKHEAD982 that's because you clearly didn't have the right technique!!! (see above). Seriously though, its called a 'sleeping system', and as we all know no British Army system ever did what it was suposed to do! Hope you are sleeping now, sometimes I don't!
@@michaelramos7026 I might try and do just that, but I'm old and decrepid now and it probably won't look as graceful as it did (if ever) in my 20's and 30's.
@Revup1 lol, I'm interested in it regardless. It'll be instructional. Regardless of the grace or lack thereof.
One tip we used in the infantry.
If you have to wear your boots in your bivy, turn your sleeping bag stuff sack inside out and put your feet in that first, then into your sleep system.
Great video.
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That’s some good stuff there
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I use a very similar set-up. Two tips I will add are 1. You can lay down fine twigs and dry foliage to create a mattress under you. A comfortable bed that also prevents damage to the bag from sharp rocks. 2. A small lightweight tarp can make a huge difference if it rains. Goretex needs a clean dry outer surface to function properly. If it's wet the water vapour from your body will collect inside as condensation. Also when the rain is hitting the bag 2cm from your ear it is very noisy and will keep you awake! Hope that's some useful advice.
Underrated comment definately
Just want to add for us cake eaters, having a small mylar-lined inflatable sleeping mat rolled into the set up makes a HUGE difference and adds a lot of insulation value. Same operation as the video, you just quickly blow up the mat and then deflate it before rolling back up. Have it placed between the bivy bag and the sleeping bag rather than outside and below. Obviously this requires a bit of a larger bivy but keeps it all ready to simply roll out.
Hi! Thanks for great advice! Is there condensation inside the bag even though it is GorTex? I thought GorTex was designed to breathe when it rains and that is their main selling point. So if you're wearing a GorTex rain parka or bivy sack and it's raining you'll still get wet from condensation? I suppose the condensation is of course much less than regular rain gear. Also with temperature differences, when it's very cold you'll get condensation too? Does GorTex hold up in very cold or does it get stiff and the inner membrane crack?
@@mwj5368 Breathable membranes don´t work above 15 °C and they can only transmit a limited amount of sweat/hour. Therefore if you are a heavy sweater and are performing intensive acrivities you will get a lot of condensation.
I live in northern Germany we get rarely temperatures under -10 °C, therefore I can not say if the membranes can withstand arctic temperatures over a long time. I know that arctic expeditions use it, but how long the eqipment can perform under such circumstances is not clear.
Overall, it´s the far better idea to use traditional raingear like nonbreathable ponchos, or waxed cottonjackets, wool ect.
Special tip from the airforce: don't sleep with the air conditioning on, you might get a cold.😁
Bravo
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Made my day ahhahah
Don't pilots pee sitting down?
Cowboy bedroll, Tactical edition! Excellent video and instruction.
I prefer the original.
The local bears prefer a natural casing for their sausage snacks.
I have been experimenting with this concept for a few months. I found that for me, it works better strapped under the backpack. It lowers the centre of gravity instead of pushing it away from you.
I added an extra outside layer: a waterproof ground sheet. It is an old BW rubbericed poncho that folds open, with the bivvi+mat+sleeping bag roll inside. It gives me a somewhat clean and dry ground around my stuff, plus when everything is rolled it protects the roll from abrasion, cuts and so on. I found that if the bivvy bag is the outermost layer it will not last long (I am using a cheap comercial bivvy, maybe with a military surpluss one the ground sheet is not a "need" but a "want")
There is another advantage. When you use the „elephantenhaut“ (rubberized ground sheet) you have a robust outer layer around the Bivvy when rolled and attached to your bagpack/Rucksack. So the Bivvy is far less likely to get damaged rushing through dense vegetation or in rough terrain.
Look for a special bag that is designed to do that by the Dutch military I think carantiha is the producer.
@@securemindsetofficial Dutch hooped bivi was produced by carinthia and another company which name I've forgotten.
@@mare2971 Thank you!!!
You can even put your sleeping pad inside you Biwi bag it’s warm, insulated and protected from the rain :)
It is a good system , back in the search and rescue days in the Washington State rain forests some of us used this system , saved a lot of time on missions , we also never had time to build a camp fire . That’s back when my most common food in the field , was an esar sandwich , it packed well in a ziplock bag didn’t matter if it got smashed in your pack , very nourishing, lasted a long time , and very filling . Basically three slices of whole wheat bread . The outside slices both had thick layer of peanut butter facing in , the third slice , placed in the middle, was saturated with honey on both sides , the peanut butter on the outside slices kept the honey contained inside the middle layer so that it was not messy. You made them ahead of time and stored them in the fridge, waiting for the next mission. Worked great for the times you could not make a proper meal , which was often.
Rawpraisehorn,
I sprinkle ( naw... what's a stronger word, Pour ) Hershey Kisses onto both slices of outside bread.
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Now I have to try that ! What is esar ?
@@TonyM540 Don't know for the "e", Search And Rescue (SAR)
English is clearly not your native language. GREAT JOB. Thanks for making this video for us single-language English speakers. Never apologize for not knowing English. Keep up the excellent work!
Some countries in Europe you have to learn English in school as a second language. Because of the US troops station there. Also he may did some of military time with Canadian, English, or US troops
Apologizing for his English... extremely German behavior.
@@elliothagen9874 Doesn't really have that much to do with the US troops that are stationed here. Many also have to choose between latin or french as a third language, sometimes you can pick spanish
English literature is just omnipresent. Especially in technical documentation of software.
I don't know a single European country where you don't learn at least a second language, many have it mandatory that pupils even learn a third language
Yeah. We grew up calling them bedrolls. I’m 74 now and learned this from my grandfather. What’s old is new again I guess.
This type of sleeping set up has been persistently in use in the military for decades now. Still gets taught today.
In Denmark we call this a "Jægerpølse". Translates to "Jäger sausage" / "Huntsmen sausage" - in reference to our special forces unit called Jægerkorpset / Huntsmen Corps.
Personally, I don't like the extra bulk of the setup, so I prefer to keep my sleeping pad on the outside of the pack and my bivy with the sleeping bag inside my ruck. Whenever I arrive at patrol base or where ever I need to sleep, I just lay out my sleeping pad and throw the bivy on top. Almost as fast, but less bulky.
Pretty much the same for UK armed forces
That has to be the coolest hiking gear outfit I've ever seen.
Exactly the same type of set up I use. Savotta roll mat, British army goretex bivi bag, 2 season sleeping bag..
I add a cheap groundsheet to protect the kit and a snugpak jungle blanket in colder weather, possibly with a British army basha. But that's the full extent and what i regard as luxury lol.. Oh, and a half roll mat extra in winter for under the body core. Great vid. First time watcher..
We used to make tanker rolls like this; except the sleeping mat was outside the bivy. You could fold the bag and bivy in half lengthwise, then it wouldn't stick out past the edges of the mat. Just like this, unroll and get in. Great video!
Most of guys over here do the same but I'm a night dancer and unless the bivvy is hooped I'd just slide off of it. The solution was pad inside and some nylon duct taped on the outside of the bivy (protection from sharp stuff)
This is a similar system in the US Army. The US Army ECWCS sleep system comes with a gortex bivy and two liners, a lightweight summer liner and a thicker winter liner. Paired with a foam sleeping pad and US Army scout half shelter...or US Marine two person combat tent....can't beat it!
I have the old gortex woodland bivy which I paired with an old N. Korean war down winter bag. Easily my fav setup. But I also pair up a large fleece blanket w/ large wool blanket a reflective blanket and silicone washed polish canvas lavvu sometimes.
For ground I throw down sheet of 4mil black plastic 8× 8/10/12 can be doubled or sheltered...cheap and light.
I additionally place mine in a drybag. While it does help keep it dry, the main reason is it protects the bivy from damage by branches, thorns, rocks, etc
Another upside is, if you die you already have a waterproof body bag.
I'd also recommend folding it in half and putting it in a larger dry bag, which is easier to mount below or on top of the Ruck - at least in my opinion.
Is it really that easy to fold up when that rubber thingy is on the inside like in the video, or do you use something different? (Sorry for newbie questions)
Edit: he called it a sleeping mat
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And thanks to advice herein.@@Fishlord136
Here in Norway we have some very good foam Mats with r-value up to 3,5. Also we have something called fjellduk. It roughly translates to Mountain tarp, and is a favoritte amongst soldiers, hunter and outdoorspeople. It's a piece of tarp that is water and wind proof. It has a heat refective metallic inside, and most have a layer of insulation too. It can be used for shelter, as a bivy, poncho, anything really. If your friend has one too, you can zip them together. I think all soldiers here are issued them now...
Are they available on Amazon or a trademark to look for?
@@lanceroparaca1413 maybe. Jerven, Helsport, and Dovrefjell are som brand that make them. They are called Fjellduk in norwengian.
Could you also recommend brands for 3,5 R foam mats?
@@Istenostor bergans extreme
That's only R 2,1.
For a setup like this, using the foam pad on the outside to protect the goretex/sleeping bag from getting ripped or popped works pretty well, like you talk about at 7:50.
That was my biggest criticism before he mentioned it near the end. Here in the woodlands of Canada, that bivy would get shredded to bits getting snagged and caught on branches.
@@TheTarotCardGuy good on him for mentioning it, but yeah in my experience even just rolling that goretex up like he did would/could result in holes in it
Id only do it like he does here with a cheap groundsheet. I use one and fitted sheet straps/fasteners, it’s a makeshift bivvy bag. Protects form drafts but allows some breathability for moisture to evaporate. Gotta use a small tarp above me though, as it won’t fully protect me from dew. Ground sheet 120g and tarp 310g, 15d nylon.
As an American in am starting to enjoy your series. You are giving good sound advise for beginners or others looking for new ideas. I am sorry that you have to deal with know it all critics who somehow fail to understand that you are just showing what you carry, not what everyone else should carry. Thank you, love your darker grey color, blends in perfectly with a dark, damp Forest. I am German by decent so it must be a German thing to love the Forest or Wald. Keep up the good work! Auf wiedersehen!!
I've used a bivy and am a big fan, but lately I've been liking the Poncho + Liner combination more. I can get out of it more quickly, and I can wear it around camp or on the move as well. I add a wool blanket and tyvek sheet on the inside for colder weather
I've been thinking about trying a Poncho + Liner system myself, as opposed to my current Marine surplus 3-part system with a Bivy, do you have any tips or suggestions that could help me out, in terms of good choices of poncho brands/where to buy them?
@@zvoonyoutube1855 helikon tex has an amazing liner called swagman roll (it works as a warm poncho for not-too-heavy rain itself) - durable, works as a sleeping bag or a quilt and is light. Can be attached to surplus US army poncho, their own poncho based on the US one, and, with some modification, the dutch one.
If you don't care about hood on the liner and sleeping bag feature onewind has an amazing, cheaper alternative.
If you want the poncho to be spark-proof and don't mind the weight - waxed 230g (8oz) cotton canvas is a simple no-sew solution (cut a hole, add a zipper or buttons and a rainflap which requires only basic field sewing), you can then sew on attachment points for any liner you like and add a hood. The price is laughable (wax is the most expensive part, unless you include YKK zippers) and you really don't need proper sewing skills for it.
Snugpak has a really cool poncho-anorak hybrid which easily covers the backpack, has sleeves and kangaroo pocket. It's also much larger than the us and even dutch duty poncho. Idk about their liner unfortunately.
Its a biwakrolle, it rolls biwaks. made my day.
A genuine military body bag will change everything you thought you knew about bivvy bags . Cool video .
I used to store my sleeping bag inside my goretex bivvy bag, then roll that up inside my ALICE pack. Sleeping mat would be stored separately inside/outside the pack (depending on mission load out), and used under the bivvy bag when sleeping. Benefits: bivvy bag is protected from damage when stored inside the pack, also the sleeping mat protects the underside of the bivvy bag when sleeping.
Thank you for this video. Looks like a sweet rig. Toss in a 7' X 9' tarp and you are in like Flynn.
I agree, getting in and out of a bivy in the rain without a tarp is nasty.
Great video! I always thought bivys was for extreme minimalists who wanted to get the weight down at the cost of comfort, but as long as you can sit up and look around and do stuff while in the bivy, it becomes more like cowboy camping, which is really nice compared to looking at tent walls. I got the Hilleberg Bivanorak, which works both as a bivy and raingear that is big enough for me to fit my 65liter backpack underneath it. It is kinda similar to a rainponcho, but it needs to be singed up around the waist, which limits the ventilation a bit, but it is still plenty better than more tight fitting raingear. With this i can sit up and look around, and even walk around and take a pee without going out of my dry and warm shelter. This takes very little space in the backpack, and as it only weighs 500g, i can easily bring both this and my Zpacks Duplex tent if im going on a longer trip. Then i have a pretty good set of raingear, and 2 different shelters, suited for different terrain and weather conditions. When it comes to comfort, i kinda lean towards preferring a tent as a shelter, but the cowboy camping feeling i get with the Bivanorak really makes up for the small difference in comfort, and the freedom of being able to set up camp right on a somewhat narrow trail is way better than having to search for a relatively big open area for a tent. Setting up and taking down a tent is a bit of work, while with the Bivanorak i only have to inflate my sleeping pad and remove some sharp sticks and pinecones from a relatively small part of the trail. The Bivanorak also allow me to set up camp right by a lake, as long as i have a drybag to protect the stuff i dont want to get wet from condensation. Condensation can still be an issue on the warmer summer nights though - if you have a uncomfortably warm sleeping bag - as the perspiration from the body will get trapped inside the bivy...
Sleeping on the trail sounds dangerous. Please consider that moose, deers, reindeers and bears are happy to use hiking trails. Especially dusk and dawn
I can't believe it! This is so obvious and simple solution. How come I didn't figured this out myself?! Great tip :)
A great demonstration of a rapid deployment sleeping system. Thank you!
Lieber Rippy, nach all den Jahren, Du bist immer noch der taktisch geilste TH-camr in Germany. Bitte versorge uns weiter mit dem geilen scheiß, ich lerne immer noch von Dir. DeinStamm
Use this kind sleeping bag system during winter in Swiss army’s.
Bivy/sleeping bag/polar bag
Never fell in sleep so fast, with rifle and boots in the bivy.
Rest of the clothes and water in the sleeping bag.
(Some tried to let they rifle out during night and couldn’t find it in the morning until they ask sergeant 😂)
Sergeant: Ya. Think I saw it rolling down toward the river. Hurry, you might catch it If you start now.😳😁
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Agreed! Disadvantage is shell is exposed to brush etc. scraping and poking it. Here in hawaii we have forest and razor sharp lava.
Yep!... That is what I did with my Carinthia Gore-Tex and #6 sleeping bag. You never know when you will need this in case of emergency as well!
I do this sometimes, I have an extra large dry sack to put my roll in to protect the bivi bag from abrasion. It is like a modern, lightweight version of what in Australia we traditionally call a "swag". Typically swags are canvas and are usually used in conjunction with heavy, bulky bedding material, not lightweight backpacking gear, and are used primarily for car/4x4 based camping.
I'm pretty sure that "swags" are nothing more than glorified cots! Lol
@@3nertia swags been around for well over 150 years in Australia
Babies sleep in cots lol
From Australia sincerely get fucked lol
American here, “sleeping pad” is the correct word. Good job.
Yes, I do prefer most inside the rucksack. Compact is better.
I've found heading for the nearest Travel Lodge or small hotel works wonders for protecting me from wet and cold nights. I then set out early next morning and start walking again. A small tip from the UK 😉😄😄
A full English with 2 mugs of coffee and a couple of donuts also helps boost moral.
This is awesome!! Very nice for a survival situation, for lightweight summer backpacking or even bike packing as intend to use it. Thanks a lot!!
Never cheap out on your sleeping mat.
I recently camped in Scotland in the early spring and the ground was barely above freezing. I could feel where my hip pressed into the ground. It felt as cold as ice and sucked the heat out of me.
100% agree. After camping like this in all conditions if I'm going to drop big $ on any one piece of kit it's going to be the pad.
@@cryptokev1759 Sound decision mate.
Funny thing about mats is that unless you buy some big inflatable one, most of them are light. ALL foam ones are light as a feather.... but for some reason it was always low on my priority list. Next camp in October Im going with a thick foam pad, a thin insulated floor mat so I dont get cold when my feet or legs hit the floor of the tent, and a couple of space blankets for emergencies.
Good luck on your camps mate.
This is great! I've never saw someone that clean in forrest if he is there for at least 5 minutes. Feels very real.
This is not my thing - I'm a tent guy - but I thought it was pretty cool. I like looking at ways to simplify things. I also like that your video generated a lot of useful comments from military people who actually know what they're doing. Thanks for the video. I just subscribed and I'll be looking at some of your other content soon. Peace.
Ich öffne den Reißverschluss am Biwaksack ein wenig um ihn zusammen zu rollen damit die Luft zunächst besser entweichen kann. Erst wenn ich oben am Reißverschluss angekommen bin wird dieser verschlossen. Wenn man Luft durch den geschlossenen Biwaksack presst, kann dieser Schaden nehmen oder seine Wasserbeständigkeit verlieren. Biwaksack bei schlechtem Wetter nur in Kombi mit tarp sonst alles nass bis man ein-/oder ausgestiegen ist.
"This old tip can change your way of sleeping outside"
Proceeds to literally show case a *sleeping bag* '-' Wow revolutionary.
Yes. I just show a sleeping bag. There is nothing else in this video. Nothing.
In thick brush you can make it smaller by folding it in half lengthwise before rolling - gives you a bigger diameter but very compact. Using compression-straps helps compacting it even more. To keep the weight close to the body, you can either attach it to you hip belt (butt-pack) or on top (behind your head) - could help against snipers too a little bit ;-))
Cowboys had a very similar system, called "bedroll" from wool-blankets and oilskin canvas - they carried it behind the saddle (as you can watch in old cowboy-films). Pathfinders carried it across the shoulder, they tied the ends together to make it a loop.
Man that ground looks so nice and soft. I wish I had that here! I haven’t found a way to sleep comfortably on rocky Missouri ground without a 4 1/4” pad so usually I use a hammock here. Hammock for down to 25F and tent with thick pad for below 25F
I've had a similar Bivy for many years with the added feature of thin flexible ribs to create a small one man tent, which can, although very tightly, sleep two.
The main draw back to these is that they can be too warm in summer months and not quite warm enough with snow on the ground. Also a rain fly tarp is a great addition to keep the surrounding ground free of rain.
Even so, a bivy is a great selection for a one man shelter because it is light, reasonably compact, and generally does as advertised. ;-)
If you carry a tarp leave the bivvi at home its pointless.
Absolutely love my German bag with the sleeves and the zipper at the knees. Now I need to find one of these beautiful bags.
We are in the middle of a blizzard here in Ontario, and while i have a sleeping bag and tarp etc in my vehicle, making something like this would be an ideal addition. If I were to have this on my pack, I would put it in a compression stuff sack and see if that could assist in making it narrower. The sleeping pad might impact that working well however.
Thanks! This is exactly the approach I landed on, but using an air bed, pillow, flextail tiny pump and sleeping bag in the bivvy bag, all stored in an exped dry sack, in the bergen. Super convenient. The UK, US and Dutch military bivvy bags are all excellent (but very different in size, weight and function).
Make a kip mat using two thinner mats and glue a mylar sheet in between the two so that it reflects heat back to the body and the cold back to the ground. The problem with sticking the bivi bag on the outside is that if it catches on a branch, barbed wire fence etc it can rip. You will be better to get a large molle fixture stuff pouch and put that on the back of the bergen with the bivi bag etc in it.
I've been thinking about this quite a bit recently, I'd keep my foam mat and inflatable inside while transporting then attach them both to the outside when I'm setting up (i use the Dutch hooped bivi so it takes a bit of setup anyway) and make sure the foam mat is on the bottom to protect the inflatable from punctures. I'd potentially even wrap this with a small ground sheet just to prolong the bivi's life and make cleaning easier
Hey man, look up a "swag". We use them here in Australia more than tents. Mattress and pillow gets rolled up. You can take the foam mattress out and replace it with an inflatable mattress if you want to pack it down smaller. Only suitable for car camping. Good budget one is the Kings brand. Good higher end ones are the darche and 23zero brands.
Bivys are good for a little lite rain, but I can assure you in Oregons Willamette Valley Goretex will soak through becuz it rains for days. Way better at higher altitude in the snow I feel. And for the record the goretex bivy I speak of is part of the ECWS military sleep system used by US forces currently
Sehr gut, besonders aus taktischen Gründen. Alles andere, was nicht schnell von der Hand geht, fällt beim Biwak aus.
I love it 🤘
All your gear, the bag.
Impressive setup.
Video is awesome 👍
Bivvy sacks are great. I also recommend silk sleeping bag liner.
Nicely done. To the point, and great camera work. And not a bad concept, either.
Impressive... Even more compact than the Amazon 1 person hiking tent.. but as you mentioned, the vapor during the night is a deal breaker.
That just saved my ruck sack 50% of it's space. Thank you
Thermal break, then insulation, then sleeping bag. I looked at what Inuit do on ice shelves for sleeping. I need a sleeping bag that wicks moisture. Or add light weight wool blanket. It will help keep sleeping bag dry for many more days of use. I am camping with family or at bear camp with temps 32F/0C at night sometimes. Inflatables just seem to loose more body heat than needed. When you keep it simple it's preventing the 4 types of heat loss. 1. Convection 2. Radiation 3. Evaporation 4. Conduction
Achja der Biwak, ich bin so froh dass ich aus der Bundeswehr raus bin, studiert habe und mir diese Videos immer aus dem warmen und gemütlichen anschauen kann und ich immer ein schönes Hotelzimmer habe mit Dusche =)
I prefer having the closed cell sleeping pad on the outside, because sooner or later you will end up puncturing your bivy, and that's not good.
I have been experimenting using a combination of both closed cell and inflatable sleeping mats, with a mylar blanket in between. It works well for me when it is really cold.
Nice video. I'm not sure if I will use it (most places I hike at the moment require you to sleep at a camp site), but I like the whole explanation. Also nice that you point out the downsides of this setup.
You want the mat on the outside of th bivi to protect the bivi from getting pierced both on the move and while you're sleeping on it.
This is what I do when I wake up in the morning and it is raining and I just want to get out of there quickly. The tarp is the only thing which gets packed up wet.
Dude, civilians won’t use this method but I do..well I did while in the Marine Corps infantry. Good stuff
I do not use a biwibag but a plash palatka in the same manner..just spend a night here in sakatchewan canada in minus20 right under the stars with no shelter other then the biwi made from the plash palatka...I do not like synthetic outer shells as sparks usually take their toll on the material and 100% cotton canvas is far better ...but that is preference ...great video..I assume you are in the forces and therefore this system works possibly much better for you as you always get a new biwi when you burned the shit out of it while we civilians need to pay our self... have fun and stay in the woods
We call that gortex sleep bag a bivy. It’s part of the US sleep system also.
I remove the sleep pad and use often separately, two items,both small. I used a tarp for a shell. Rucking out with boots on. Cowboy up!
I know this is off topic, but I love that the closed caption is written as if to keep your accent😂
I would include a pneumatic insolation mattress on top of the ridged mattress. I would stuff the whole system into waterproof sack, then attach it to the bottom of the pack. This would provide another layer of protection from travel damage.
I do some thing similiar, but I put the sleeping pad inside my sleeping bag, it significantly improves the thermal retention to the ground.
In the north we call this “arctic bedding”, you put the whole sleeping package on top of the pulk sled.
Just saying, Gore-Tex did not stand up against thorny bushes, my rain pants were leak as a sieve after wearing it on and off 2 months in the dunes. And it was not raining much at all.
The point is, you can get leaks with Gore-Tex easily if there is a sharp twig or something like that. I would rather clear the area before you throw down your Gore-Tex bivy bag. It may not be the lightest thing to carry around, but i would take a foldable NATO shovel, so you can have a clear area to sleep on. You also sleep better when you are not laying on something hard.
Also, i tried the bivy bag idea, it gets really moist when it is all closed up, even with the top open but with the bug netting in place. I had more of a bivy tent with the arcs around the head.
It is however fast, and light to use it, but its not ideal. I much rather sleep in a shallow trench with 2 square heavy canvas raincoats over it. But that does not keep the bugs out... I dont know how many bugs ive ate, but the last few weeks i was in the dunes i did not use a tent. Maybe one of those muskito nets for around the head is a good investment. That way you can sleep outside without bugs entering your nose and mouth. They will crawl into every opening they can find if you give them a chance to.
If i were to stay somewhere for a bit longer time, i would definitely build a small shelter in the ground. But you really have to study how to do that. When i was in the dunes, i did just that, but i was thinking to large. So i only read a book..
Greetings,
Jeff
I thought condensation was a major factor with the sleeping bag inside the bivy sack? Most say that's a no go. Especially in colder climates.
Good tips but I normally roll mine up with the mat on the outside otherwise I'm always worried about snagging the bivvy material in a bush or tree etc when I'm walking
This is the beginnings of a great idea, but I see several aspects for improvement.
1) Continually rolling or folding Gore-Tex in the same manner causes wear along the creases which over time, causes holes to wear through.
A stuff sack may help in this.
2) The sleep mat (if it is the foam kind) can be cut to be more precise in the size of the person's shoulder width, height, and of course cut even more narrow past the hips, along the legs and feet area.
This gives a very slight decrease in weight of the bivakrolle, but a much more considerable reduction in size, taking up less space and making the rucksack with the sleeping system more maneuverable.
3) For those that want an inflatable sleep mat, one of those self inflating mats may be best.
It will setup almost immediately, but will add a few minutes in the time it takes to pack up the sleep system because you have to wring the air out of it.
4) A small support pole (or branch) could be used to act as a tent pole, creating an air loft over the face.
This would not only provide more comfort and keep mosquitoes further away, the air space above the face would have an insulating property.
(Unless it's windy)
Similarly:
5) I would prefer to use this setup with a poncho or small tarp rigged over it.
This would not only conceal the rucksack and gear, but keep it (and your face) dry should it rain.
It would add a few more minutes in setup and take down time, but as someone who has slept under a tarp in the cold, I can tell you it keeps the cold from sinking into your bed a bit, reflects your body heat somewhat and will keep your gear dry.
6) I would add to this sleep system a fleece blanket or sleeping bag and a sleeping bag liner.
The liner can be slept in alone on hot nights, under the Gore-Tex will provide a more comfortable layer, will provide a slight insulative layer in addition to the sleeping bag on cooler nights and of course, can be cleaned easier, extending the life of the sleeping bag.
The fleece blanket, sleeping bag or poncho liner can either be folded up to add additional insulation and softness to beneath the person, rolled or folded into a pillow or layered inside the waterproof shell to provide extra insulation on extremely cold nights.
This will of course add a pound or two more of overall weight and some bulk, so this need only be added in colder environments.
7) Another survival trick I started devising is (in situations where you actually have some time to change, be more comfortable and hang your worn, dirty or wet clothes up while you sleep)
it is extremely convenient to have a clean set of long johns and warm socks laid out inside your sleeping bag liner.
If you are desperate for sleep, you can just lay on top of them or move them aside.
If your clothing have become wet from weather or sweat, having clean, dry clothes to change into to sleep is not only one of the biggest morale boosters I've ever used to help me get a good sleep, but in an extreme cold situation, it MAY SAVE YOUR LIFE.
Add gloves and a balaclava if you might need to sleep in an extremely cold environment.
8) I like adding a mosquito net to my sleep gear, should the environment require it.
Some are like a pyramid shape, just big enough to cover your sleeping bag and compact down to the size of a baseball.
*You will need to suspend the peak with a rope from a branch to keep the mosquitoes from reaching you, but in a humid, insect infested area, it can mean the difference between a nice sleep and a horrible one or getting malaria or some other mosquito borne illness.
Add a place to hide a pistol while you're sleeping and a place to put my phone and I'm good to go!
While nice ideas, most of these are not too useful under combat conditions...which this is supposed to represent.
Great video thanks. I tried this with my Hunka XL bivi/Snugpak/foam mat combo. What I did was a rolled up from the foot end first and that forced out all the air then rolled back down. Took me less time than rolling down from the top and trying to force all the air out.
I use a surplus US MSS (Modular Sleep System) that's crammed into its dedicated compression bag. I keep that and a poncho liner in a waterproof bag in my ALICE pack. I keep a dedicated shelter kit consisting of 2 tarps, rope (paracord too) and tent stakes in a MOLLE waist bag suspended from the 2 strapping points on the bottom of the bag. I also keep a folded up sleeping pad between my back and the frame of the pack
Awesome job, Thankyou, really good job. Brings back memories for sure.
Schönes Video.
Ich glaube sleepingpad ist das englische Wort für Isomatte :)
Really good shot, attitude, speaking an english I can undersrand 🙏 Awesome forest and material. Thanks !
i like how u have ur bivysack mic ed up so we can hear exactly how loud is it when ur rolling and squishing all those gortex and nylon for 8 mins.
This is an excellent idea but I would mount to my pack vertically so it don’t stick out on sides. Looks about the same length.
3:20 Spoken like a young man who doesn't make noises every time he stands up! 😂
Keep it n mind when buying a sleeping matt, if you buy an inflatable matt for below freezing weather. You will need a self inflating Matt and or a pump to air it up. If you use your lungs to fill it up, the condensation from your breath will condense and freeze inside the Matt.
i do the same but use an inflatable matress and down bag inside the bivvy then all inside a 20l drybag to keep the size down and keep it dry. sits at the bottom of my pack so can be quickly pulled out from the bottom opening of the bag
I do this plus inflatable mat. Comfort and warmth. Slept outside last night in -1°c and was so warm I forgot I was outside.
If I was using that everyday when rolling it up and it builds up the air pocket I would unzip it a little and let the air out more easily for your survival sleeping system. Letting air rush out all the little cracks puts alot stress on the fabric.
As recently as the 1980s, Junior Leaders went on exercise with two gray army blankets in a bin bag, which they had to somehow cram into an issue large pack. If the blankets got wet, they'd freeze all night. New recruits were taught to cope with the very basics. It was a very different and much tougher era.
This is awesome. Appreciate the detail
yes -10 , its -34 hear now rh has gone to90% as the air can not hold much moisture at this temp although it would be much lower at a higher temp also the wind chill is -45. moving your role to vertical is critical to being alive in the morning as it means fewer holes
It looks comfier to sleep in than my actual bed, lol. Can't wait to try it !
Thank you for the information Sir.
Great video 👍 Thank you for sharing!
I paid over 500.00 American for my carinthia xp 2 plus. The advantage of an outside quick deployment system isn’t worth the risk of ripping it on a briar/thorn bush…………. I’ll keep her stuffed away!!!! Great video and concept.
I made something like that, camo tarp with pt mat/woobie, then bivy. Fold tarp then roll and strap
We always kept those but just called them bedrolls. The cowboys perfected the system, sleeping under the stars, most nights
Thank you for wearing the mask, I dont want those trees to get covid
I usually carry a tarp, a mat and a sleeping bag, so i just span the tarp, then prep the rest underneath. Upside of this system the time you spend with setting it up is later saved when getting undressed in human conditions, istead of inside a bivi sack. Also ive never worn shoes inside my sleeping bag, i will sleep naked in every thing above -10C.
Great system i have my foam mat on the outside and an inflatable on the inside if its cold i will pump the inflatable if not i just leave it deflated the foil inner will add a tiny amount of extra warmth when not inflated.
@ripperkon hello from America. Appreciate your time and effort in these videos, you seem to be a really nice guy and the videos are relaxing to watch. So I like your dark green jacket and pants. Are they German military issued, or can we order them from somewhere? Even internationally? I know here in the US we have plenty of great quality gear and clothing to choose from or even issued, but that seems to be a specific, darker color of green that looks great in the wilderness like that. If possible could you inform us of how or if we can find this jacket and pants you're wearing? It's such a dark olive and blends in well with dark forests. Keep up the great work, we enjoy your information and kind way of speaking.
Dope tip! I have a 20 degree bag and a military gortex liner so mine would be even more bulky
Hey, even after 2 years this is one of the most complete and great video I've seen on this subjects.
May I ask you the brand of your sleeping equipements? I think de sleeping bag is a Carinthia but I don't know for the bivy and the sleeping mat.
Thanks for answer men ;)
Thank you 🙏🏻
Bivy bag is the Carinthia combat bivy bag.
The mat should be the Thermarest ridge rest
@@ripperkonthanks you for your answer 😊