You know, I think that Tim Apple is trying to copy Steve Jobs, cause Steve was the one who did the whole "freindly" interface language, but I guess it works? maybe?
It's like they've given fresh-outa-classical-artschool-interns-who-played-around-with-illustrator-for-2hours the responsibility to redesign all of the icons
Apple isn't exactly one to abide by social norms... In business, youre always told that market research is vital to a businesses success and yet, when steve jobs was asked if he wanted to do it, he replied ''no because our customers don't know what they want until we've shown them."
The whole “two things touching right on the edge” is actually something my graphic design teachers always told me to avoid - they always would call it “kissing” because they’re just barely brushing each other like a light kiss. And that’s a no-go. Either you go in or go home with the touching.
Actually considering that xiaomi and huawei have been stealing from apple's design language for years and they've actually done it pretty well (take MIUI 12 for example which is beautiful) the new version of MacOS looks WORSE than ACTUAL chinese ripoffs of apple. Which is frankly just sad.
To your surprise (or not?) there is a Chinese linux distro that mimicks MacOS: www.deepin.org/en/ Note the most recent version with redesigned icons actually came out BEFORE Big Sur was even revealed 🤔 So MacOS is copying their Chinese ripoff now?
as an actual designer it brings me joy to see such terribleness captured so perfectly. in one typography class back in college we would actually submit assignments using comic sans as a joke
As a graphic communications student, I just want to go in and fix the icons as it feels like I’m staring at an unfinished project with tons of placeholders of things that need to be refined and uniform with the rest of the design. There are things in some of the icons that are considered wrong when it comes to designing
Yep. When I watched the keynote being showed, I thought even the circle icons are much better than the squircle ones on the desktop machines. The new icons are hilarious about shape and design detail. I still hope Apple will keep the old design of icons or make them just circular.
Apple is like trying to compete with Microsoft for most inconsistent design title for their OS. I would never thought that Apple could make something so inconsistent and jarring to look at
Steve Jobs would already have absolutely slaughtered everybody on this design team. Its one thing to go for a different style, its another to make it imperfect in every detail, very un-Apple.
First. It’s a BETA! Second. It’s a BETA It’s not imperfect in every little detail. It’s more that it’s not perfect in some details. That for sure will be fixed before the release.
I think the problem is that it looks too much like iOS. It looks too much like a touch screen interface and we all know how horrible those are to use with a mouse (I'm looking at you windows 8) Edit: typo
Garage Ghost I agree. I’ve been using macOS as a workstation, and not a “portable” device. I loved that it looked professional and felt that it’s better off as an actual laptop, rather than a mixup between ipad & macbook.
Smashing That Like Button what do you talk about dude? They have release AirPods (which was named the best invention of the decade), Apple Watch, drastically improved their services, lowered the cost of acquisition for almost all products, was the first trillion dollar company, they have invested more in communities than ever before, they are running 100% (and more) on renewable energy, etc. Tim Cook is a great CEO and even Steve would ask him first for advice about every big decision he would take when he was alive and running the company. I truly don’t understand why people say Apple is not the same as before. It is not the same company just because is better actually.
Yeah. I am more of a Linux kind of guy, but Apple's naming scheme is usually pretty neat even though some could argue at times bit cheesy. *cough* *cough* Genius *cough*. But that name is straight out of some github repo to somekind of exploit tool to vulnerability.
Is anyone here aware Big Sur is an actual place? It isn't ridiculous at all. Mountain lion (lives in mountains), Maverick (lives in mountains), Yosemite (mostly mountains), El Capitan (a mountain), Sierra/High Sierra (more mountains), Mojave (in Cali, has mountains), Catalina (same deal as Mojave) and now Big Sur which is a strip of California coast with, you guessed it, mountains. All of it has to do with mountains. How are mountains ridiculous?
@Juliano Lyons-Cayson same although I prefer 10.13 to 10.10 interface in 10.14 they made the os fonts more like iOS and iPadOS, which personally hurt non retina macs alot and it's like they were preparing for big sur especially in Catalina although that just my opinion
John Taylor Thanks India Inc. They also take over code written by others, paste their names in the source files, then claim they wrote it. These people have no design sense.
That seems to be the case, huh. But not having him around also removed Apple of any restrictions to abide by aesthetics. After he was gone, we had seen major overhaul to hardware. I honestly think it's not a coincidence because he's not responsible for just software design.
pnnytx I think it’s alright but nothing special. I live skeuomorphism and would’ve preferred that look over the 10.11 redesign for sure. 10.15 looks really nice imo though, just hope they can get that consistency again when 11 actually releases.
Yeah but some such distros do give it an effort like elementary OS, I am not a total fan of the OSX aesthetic but elementary is rather nice looking. I also like mints efforts too as while in terms of first looks it looks like windows but it marries some of the best parts of OSX and its design language into it, I am a big fan of the mint Y theme, not overly flat and fairly consistent and sure there are a few app icons that stand out a bit on it it does blend together for the most part, even QT apps blend in well given the right settings.
dang snow leopard was a very good release so smooth and stable and even ran my mid 2010 macbook pro as cool as ice! even today without a thermal paste replace!
@@ChenLiYong a lot of people grew up with their parents saying that to them as kids. The simplest things like "Mom can we go to (insert kid's favorite fast food place)?" Mom: "No! We have (the name of the fast food place) at home!". The stuff at home is nothing like the place (even though fast food is trash anyways) and the kid is disappointed because kids want exactly what they want. TBH it's probably much more prevalent of a saying in American culture. Shit i know it from experiencing it in childhood myself. Unfortunately things like this get out to the internet and get beaten to death as memes by people who never even experienced it in childhood and only knew it as a meme or joke. Plus the people that beat it to death are usually unfunny people in the first place and try to supplement that with memes. It was always annoying AF to hear as a kid, but again, that's mostly cause kids want what they want and are usually pretty entitled to begin with. But yeah it was a thing for literal decades before it was a meme.
I really don't like the push to make it look like iOS. Doesn't really effect me since I'm stuck with Mojave, or else I lose a ton of compatibility for my older apps.
I feel the EXACT same way! Except for the fact that I am still on High Sierra, I feel that the decision to make macOS like iPadOS was a big mistake. They are two distinct systems made for two completely different purposes and interactions!
This push was already started. Have you forgotten the steps. In 2009 there was more stylization. And when moving from cats to landmarks there was again more stylization. Like a mix of current look and iOS. problem is not if they make it look like iOS. Problem is the icons that look like nothing else.
Ryan Zohoury there is no decision to make them like each other. The navigation and layout is very very different. They are only bringing the visual styling a bit closer together. Which. They have done in phases since the last 5-7 years.
The notification Bell in System Preferences is absolutely hideous. Edit: Yes, you mentioned the same thought I had about the bell. Some things look like a really bad Linux skin. If you use OS 11 in Light mode then look at the forward and back arrows in System Preferences, they look like they blend in, they're missing the rectangle box around the buttons.
Yeh pretty much agree with you on all that. I was surprised when I saw the WWDC demos that the icons and general UI just seemed a little off Apple’s usual standard.
outernet Catalina is so buggy. My favourite bug is the one where my laptop display doesn’t turn on after going to sleep (backlight on but black screen) and i have to do a hard reset, losing unsaved work. Adobe apps also didn’t work on release, a small Catalina update broke a daemon causing my CPU to spike to constant 75% usage, random massive log files in the system directory bring dropped for no reason, etc. Shit makes me almost want to go back to windows. Almost
I'll miss the older tightly packed, smaller UI elements from our good old friend (mac)OS X. They worked fine on XGA and they're better than anything else at modern resolutions. Too bad Apple jumped on the pixel wasting trend.
Yeah, and while I get why you may want UI like this on windows(tablets, bad mice and trackpads), on macOS it's just wrong and sad, I hope they will remove that space wasting crap...
macOS is dead. It’s truly a shit show these days. Terrible user interface. Terrible user experience. No innovation. The Steve Jobs era of macOS was just a different time entirely. So sad.
I honestly thought the UI on Catalina was just fine. There were still some old "glossy" skeumorphic style icons but overall the style was still clean and up to snuff with modern design sensibilities. It was a pretty nice mix of the two and it looked neat. It really didn't need to be overhauled this hard and especially not with those icons
bro i have a 2010 imac pro and a 2009 macbook cus apple is too expensive but for some reason i have like a $1k gaming setup with a op pc but apple is way more expensive than my op gaming setup so if im not on my pc ill use my 2009 macbook or 2010 imac pro that has a mechanical hard drive lel 🙃 and i am messaging on my pc so i is forced to use low quality emojis that look like the new battery icon in mac os big sur
Now updated to Sonoma and the “View” drop down is still the only one not aligned properly. Thanks a lot for pointing that out Ken, because now I can’t unsee it lol. Thanks for what you do brotherman. We appreciate you good sir. Edit: Quick correction. The “Window” drop down also does it sometimes depending on what’s on the desktop. If everything is closed, they’re all aligned.
I think that rounding from corners shows that in the September event a new imac comes with bigger screen and rounded corners probably then it looks way smoother and makes More sense
Through the first half of this video I was like "meh, this is all personal preference" or nitpicks...but when you showed the alignment in the sound preferences OH GOD I CAN'T UNSEE IT
The difference in alignment is that in previous versions of macOS those dropdowns were aligned with the edge of the button highlight at the top, which made the text out of alignment. The new menus align the TEXT instead, so the checkbox in that one menu offsets it but the text remains aligned.
You do reviews and criticism right. Saying the good, and saying the bad with constructive arguments. I completely agree with: if you have problems, bring the solution. Excellent video
I guess that's what they're trying to go for? a design that has highlights and shadows to make things pop out from each other (making them easier to discern) but still is otherwise flat?
This reminds me of when Windows 10 was in beta and the default system icons looked like they were clip art. There was a whole meme about the Recycle Bin looking like a kid's drawing...
For the drop-down menu alignment, a good solution would be to make the top-left edge squared. Then the origin point for all the cascading menus would be aligned.
I definitely agree with the whole "combining skeumorphism and minimalism" statement. I think a good example of this is Google's material ui in their apps (especially web apps like google calendar and Keep), it's very consistent and balanced, in general flat but still has shading and materials on it. Honestly still opening their apps makes me fascinated by how nice they are to use
I’ve seen a few tweets from people who hate this redesign like me but I’m glad to see some TH-camrs with the same views posting content about this as well. Really hope Apple will correct what they have messed up.
I know Apple would never go back after unveiling this, but I hope they make some changes to make it more desktop-like instead of iPad-like. I have to admit that standardizing some of their designs isn’t a bad thing but I don’t like the implementation as a whole.
It would be nice if Apple allowed users to select the UI theme. At least offering previous Mac OS styles would be nice. Allowing users to change the entire UI theme to a 3rd party theme seems like something Apple would never do, but at least older Apple-designed UI as an option would be awesome.
I don't see Apple show any change for Music and TV apps macOS 11 Big Sur. For years Apple has not fixed the EQ of iTunes or Music app to fine-tune the audio of music videos. VLC app has the EQ to fine-tune the audio of music, music videos, and movies.
Never mind announcing their biggest hardware shift in 15 years, I guess. Did we watch the same keynote? Or I guess the better question is did you watch the keynote?
Reading the comments, someone brought the word "cartoony" and I agree. During presentation, when the word "translucent" was brought up, my first reaction was that Jony Ive had not left. So interesting to see people say it woudln't have happend under him when the styles introduced in Big Sur are very much him. At one of his last keynotes, Steve Jobs used the expression "Back to Mac". There was huge pushback at the thought of making OS-X like IOS. Now, it has happened. I am sticking to High Sierra. (32 bit apps) even if it causes regular crashes on my 2013 trash can due to D300 graphics card.
Mid 2012 13" Unibody User here. Can't say I'm too heartbroken about my Mac being killed off. I guess I'll update when DosDude pulls through I'll update.
Drew dosdude1 has already said that he doubts hardware graphics acceleration will ever come to Macs that have AMD Radeon 5000 or 6000 GPUs. The best you can do is replace the GPU with a Nvidia card, as it uses notebook MXM cards. Though that would require extensive disassembly and flashing the replacement card to work.
Eh, I always thought GNOME looked pretty Mac-like personally (at least compared to many of the newer, post-Snow Leopard versions). If they refined it a little bit, it would probably work pretty well.
Drop shadows can look really amazing when done right, but they often look horrible when they are way too dark to look good (protip: making them a light blue can make them look much cleaner, but only when the background is white or light gray).
Mac lost me at High Sierra -- I'm staying there on main machine. Also, Macbook Air G1 has a new life with Ubuntu and I'm liking it! (power and heat management needs attention and is a pain to manage. Also, forget good battery life.)
@@josecarlosxyz Actually Linux has come a long way in terms of looks....my KDE desktop is near stock and I think it looks better than what I saw in this video.
I've been using Macs for over 20 years (since System 7.5.3). The first OS I had complaints about was Leopard. I was never a fan of the reflective 3D Dock and translucent Menu Bar. Today, I would give anything to have that UI back.
That battery icon literally looks like it’s from one of those crappy “battery saving” apps
Spot on 😁😄
The battery icon looks Apple-like to me, but the color scheme and gradients of the battery icon look...um...bad.
make sure to send feedback in the feedback assistant
why did i put that battery saveing app on my dads phone once in like 2015
it's like a spicy pillow
These icons feel like the "realistic" 3D renders of The Simpsons characters.
thats the best way ive seen this described as
True 😂👌🏽
This sums it up pretty nicely xD
that describes it perfectly 😂
Or pacman, or LEGO...that was Horrendous.
When the macOS battery icon looks like one from a kid fake phone. Only thing it needs now is a smiley face
Yes! Exactly what I was saying
It gives me Subway Surfers Vibes
make sure to send feedback in the feedback assistant
You know, I think that Tim Apple is trying to copy Steve Jobs, cause Steve was the one who did the whole "freindly" interface language, but I guess it works? maybe?
Pod lol I was thinking that
The battery looks like when your charging a dead 2009 android phone
Actually, 1999.
@@gao_yuan android didn't exist 1999, neither did battery icons on that level of style
@@NonsensicalSpudz cheeel kaarl cheel cheel!
NonsensicalVids thanks smartass
@@NonsensicalSpudz imagine taking everything seriously LMAO
The "100%" being so badly off-center bugs the crap out of me.
It's just gross
I feel like I’m living in an alternative reality as of late
It's like a bad nightmare
What if we are? What if we’re in some “quantum branch” of reality, where the RNG is cranked up way too high
Turn on the news, and see Brave New World / 1984 instead. Switch over to WWDC, expecting some relief - but get a comic book instead.
ok
This year just gets better and better
It's like they've given fresh-outa-classical-artschool-interns-who-played-around-with-illustrator-for-2hours the responsibility to redesign all of the icons
No joke its bassicly animoji edition of icon or a paint 3d edition
Maybe it's the same guy that made the adobe redesign
And the entire UI also
Apple isn't exactly one to abide by social norms...
In business, youre always told that market research is vital to a businesses success and yet, when steve jobs was asked if he wanted to do it, he replied ''no because our customers don't know what they want until we've shown them."
@@_danu paint 3d looks even better than this
The whole “two things touching right on the edge” is actually something my graphic design teachers always told me to avoid - they always would call it “kissing” because they’re just barely brushing each other like a light kiss. And that’s a no-go. Either you go in or go home with the touching.
Did they also teach that excessive bevel and emboss effects looks tacky?
Paul Zach I can recall it being mentioned once or twice, maybe?
I don’t think it’s intentional. I would bet on it getting fixed whether we say anything or not.
Aimee Crawford My graphic design teachers said exactly the same thing, so I am wondering who they hired to design this.
Its propably not fully implemented yet, I think for now it just more of a asset Switch than a real tweaking for the new UI
The new version of MacOS is like the Chinese ripoff of MacOS.
without the engrish
@Rishab Tirupathi The software is not designed in China.
Actually considering that xiaomi and huawei have been stealing from apple's design language for years and they've actually done it pretty well (take MIUI 12 for example which is beautiful) the new version of MacOS looks WORSE than ACTUAL chinese ripoffs of apple. Which is frankly just sad.
Ben Baert Or a crappy version of Linux.
To your surprise (or not?) there is a Chinese linux distro that mimicks MacOS: www.deepin.org/en/ Note the most recent version with redesigned icons actually came out BEFORE Big Sur was even revealed 🤔 So MacOS is copying their Chinese ripoff now?
these icons remind me of that meme with the cat, “graphic design is my passion”
Just did a search for that phrase and now I'm crying
knowyourmeme.com/memes/graphic-design-is-my-passion
as an actual designer it brings me joy to see such terribleness captured so perfectly.
in one typography class back in college we would actually submit assignments using comic sans as a joke
As a graphic communications student, I just want to go in and fix the icons as it feels like I’m staring at an unfinished project with tons of placeholders of things that need to be refined and uniform with the rest of the design. There are things in some of the icons that are considered wrong when it comes to designing
The icons look like a bootleg version of MacOS
make sure to send feedback in the feedback assistant
"bootleg version of MacOS"
laughs in Red Star OS
Like they tried to port iOS to the Mac
Yep. When I watched the keynote being showed, I thought even the circle icons are much better than the squircle ones on the desktop machines. The new icons are hilarious about shape and design detail. I still hope Apple will keep the old design of icons or make them just circular.
ItzMichaelPhillips it’s *laughs in Korean*
new apple icon designer : "Ah, yes. Design is my passion. I am a professional WordArt designer, shade is my soul."
Apple is like trying to compete with Microsoft for most inconsistent design title for their OS.
I would never thought that Apple could make something so inconsistent and jarring to look at
Hahahahahhahahaha. Absolutely!
Steve Jobs would already have absolutely slaughtered everybody on this design team. Its one thing to go for a different style, its another to make it imperfect in every detail, very un-Apple.
First. It’s a BETA!
Second. It’s a BETA
It’s not imperfect in every little detail. It’s more that it’s not perfect in some details. That for sure will be fixed before the release.
Stefan Holmqvist even if it’s a beta, Steve and Johny wouldn’t have allowed those icons
@@augustogalindo8687 Its so easy to say that, quite frankly, we dont know.
If Steve Jobs didn’t turn to alternative medicines that costed him real treatment, he would still be alive.
A heatsink without a fan, The fuse is not the fuse. You can't tell me that's un-apple!
You know they really messed up the icons when even Microsoft has released better icons recently.
The Microsoft icons are iconic, how dare you diss the Windows XP icons
@@illford i don't think you know what he meant... th-cam.com/video/wYmTkgqbrDM/w-d-xo.html
@@illford He’s only talking about Windows 11’s icons and nothing else
the icons and stuff makes it look like a children’s toy, i’ll be keeping Catalina for now
David’s Tech Talk me too unless they keep the icons normal like before
For me, it strongly reminds me of children's toys and that blue Windows XP theme. I'm surprised there aren't more people commenting that.
happysmash27 i would rather use windows xp tbh lol
Well duh, it's a beta version not a final one.
I'm still rocking Mojave to this day
This version of macOS feels a bit too cartoony, I always liked the "serious" or professional look old macOS versions had idk its a bit hard to explain
“Cartoony” is a good word for this Os.
Haha, I was calling it childish, like more your cartoony way.
It's windows xp all over again
I think the problem is that it looks too much like iOS. It looks too much like a touch screen interface and we all know how horrible those are to use with a mouse (I'm looking at you windows 8)
Edit: typo
Garage Ghost I agree. I’ve been using macOS as a workstation, and not a “portable” device. I loved that it looked professional and felt that it’s better off as an actual laptop, rather than a mixup between ipad & macbook.
The battery icon looks like a condom.. not digging this new overall look
make sure to send feedback in the feedback assistant
I was thinking the nub looked more like a nipple.
HaniiPuppy I burst out laughing reading that comment! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jacobanderson9530 "I noticed the battery icon looks like a condom, could you change that please" -To Apple from the Feedback Assistant
So Big Sir would have been more fitting?
The battery looks like a cross between Microsoft Word Art and a Chinese knock off of an old iPhone.
Don't drag WordArt down with this. It has class.
As a graphic designer i almost died from laughing when i saw those app store corners and battery icon 😂😂😂
I was like :
*It's so ugly ...I love it!*
These icons look like they were made by a rip-off company lmao
Franz Sarmiento Oh you mean India Inc outsourcing companies.
Me: Mom can we have battery icon?
Mom: No we have battery icon at home
Battery icon at home:
relatable 😂
But it IS a battery icon...
Everything about this feels like it should be an April fools joke.
Well they were founded on April Fools, which was April 1st 1977...
Apple really needs a Steve jobs kinda guy. Apple right now does not really feel different then any other company. But that’s my opinion
its june lol
@Smashing That Like Button One would argue the Jony Ive leaving design will take a bit of a dive.
Smashing That Like Button what do you talk about dude? They have release AirPods (which was named the best invention of the decade), Apple Watch, drastically improved their services, lowered the cost of acquisition for almost all products, was the first trillion dollar company, they have invested more in communities than ever before, they are running 100% (and more) on renewable energy, etc. Tim Cook is a great CEO and even Steve would ask him first for advice about every big decision he would take when he was alive and running the company. I truly don’t understand why people say Apple is not the same as before. It is not the same company just because is better actually.
"hey I'm pickle battery icon"
Funniest shit l’ve ever seen
Why is it ugly? Because Jonathan Ive is not there anymore.
I feel like they could’ve just directly copied iOS icons
Yeah.
The icons look like the defaults from a Mac knockoff. Hideous.
This is what happens when Jonny Ives leaves
Jony made some dumb design choices in the past, but at least he was consistent.
He was involeved mostly in hardware and iOS design, he didn't design anything in macOS design in the past.
Filip Novković didn’t he work on Yosemite and beyond?
@@novkoviix I was thinking about how you're supposed to charge the Magic Mouse, but yeah, you're right.
I don't really care about how it looks, the name is just so weird.
"What OS do you use?"
"Big Sur"
"??"
Yeah. I am more of a Linux kind of guy, but Apple's naming scheme is usually pretty neat even though some could argue at times bit cheesy. *cough* *cough* Genius *cough*.
But that name is straight out of some github repo to somekind of exploit tool to vulnerability.
I love using Big Sur! :') I really can't take it seriously that much
It’s so funny I laugh everytime I hear it, I love it♥️
BEEG SIR
Is anyone here aware Big Sur is an actual place? It isn't ridiculous at all. Mountain lion (lives in mountains), Maverick (lives in mountains), Yosemite (mostly mountains), El Capitan (a mountain), Sierra/High Sierra (more mountains), Mojave (in Cali, has mountains), Catalina (same deal as Mojave) and now Big Sur which is a strip of California coast with, you guessed it, mountains. All of it has to do with mountains. How are mountains ridiculous?
I already have nostalgia for the 10.10-10.15 interface and it hasn’t even been phased out yet lol
@Juliano Lyons-Cayson same although I prefer 10.13 to 10.10 interface in 10.14 they made the os fonts more like iOS and iPadOS, which personally hurt non retina macs alot and it's like they were preparing for big sur especially in Catalina although that just my opinion
Amazing how people constantly need to “fix” things that aren’t broken. Humanity’s biggest flaw.
John Taylor Thanks India Inc. They also take over code written by others, paste their names in the source files, then claim they wrote it. These people have no design sense.
They should create a "classic" mode where macOS10 look and feel can be chosen instead of the new design. Would make everyone happy :)
that's probably what ppl wanted with iOS 7
You are great person
Same here with iOS imagine going from flat clean icons to iOS 6
Yesss, because now I’m not going to update this freakin’ os
that would add like 2 gb extra to the update which is huge especially if you dont use it
"big sur" sounds like how you make fun of someone calling someone else fat online, I hope 11.1 is called "bro pls"
Your pf (profile picture)... KDE Plasma gang rise up.
Lol true
I always read it as Big Slur.
@@ambreiaju lol, the exact thing I thought!
Locutus i read it as big slur because its easier
this happens when the chief design forget to leave a note before leaving the company.. 😂😂😂
make sure to send feedback in the feedback assistant
The absence of Jony Ive is really feeling with macOS 11
Trying to do a complete redesign without Jony is, IMO, what has caused these problems
That seems to be the case, huh.
But not having him around also removed Apple of any restrictions to abide by aesthetics.
After he was gone, we had seen major overhaul to hardware. I honestly think it's not a coincidence because he's not responsible for just software design.
I don’t know. Ivy was responsible for Yosemite, the ugliest macOS of all time. Bring back Scott Forstall. Yeah, that will never happen.
@@TheSteveSteele IMO Yosemite is the best macOS redesign, from ugly skeuomorphism to flat design
pnnytx I think it’s alright but nothing special. I live skeuomorphism and would’ve preferred that look over the 10.11 redesign for sure.
10.15 looks really nice imo though, just hope they can get that consistency again when 11 actually releases.
The whole os seems less advanced and less professional.
Beto Beats Thanks India.
Exactly thank you
I knew iOS' encroachment into macOS would forever ruin it.
"Two things are touching that are not supposed to be touching..." - best line ever!
The new window title looks like GNOME design coming to macOS
That's the first thing that came to mind as well. I personally don't mind GNOME's CSD, but it just seems unnecessarily thick. :/
What is gnome
Prince Saiyon第7火影 linux thingy
@@Fraudjaku Is Google broken?
deadmoose I’m okay with the title bar but icons really bug me
It's like they're trying to take the Windows XP icons but with a modern take on them...
Windows XP
Same thought
You would know, right?
8:34 Oh my god, those icons AREN'T Even properly centered!
make sure to send feedback in the feedback assistant
This probably hit me harder than anything else in the video tbh
and they aren't the same width either...
I see I wasn't the only one to notice that.
macOS Product Manager: So how many Photoshop Layer Style effects do you want to use?
macOS Lead UI Designer: Yes.
I appreciate that you focused a lot on the inconsistencies rather than just complaining about what you didn't like.
Now it's looks more like Linux "MacOS copy" distro than real Mac OS
Heh, even copied themes on Linux or elementarOS base design is more consistent than what Apple did here
Yeah but some such distros do give it an effort like elementary OS, I am not a total fan of the OSX aesthetic but elementary is rather nice looking.
I also like mints efforts too as while in terms of first looks it looks like windows but it marries some of the best parts of OSX and its design language into it, I am a big fan of the mint Y theme, not overly flat and fairly consistent and sure there are a few app icons that stand out a bit on it it does blend together for the most part, even QT apps blend in well given the right settings.
That's an insult to Linux lol
make sure to send feedback in the feedback assistant
Jacob Anderson you’ve literally spammed this reply on like every comment do you not have anything else to say?
Windows user: *insert James Francos "First time?" meme*
Lol this comment underrated
just take me back to Snow Leopard. So stable and so good looking.
is snow leopard like the windows 7 of mac
a single french fry Yes lol some people can’t let go of the stainless steel and wood grain
dang snow leopard was a very good release so smooth and stable and even ran my mid 2010 macbook pro as cool as ice! even today without a thermal paste replace!
And me osx tiger. Pretty old school, but I loved it
Yes, I wish there was a setting in MacOS to set the preferred UI style (for those of us who prefer the early days of the Aqua interface and whatnot).
10:00
"I want to know what you think about Mac OS, Big Sir"
Well thank you😂
Kid: Mom, can we have Linus Tech Tips at home
Mom: Son, we have Linus at home
Linus at home:
Ok
What’s up with these “we have X at home” meme thing? Looks like unintuitive.
@@ChenLiYong a lot of people grew up with their parents saying that to them as kids. The simplest things like "Mom can we go to (insert kid's favorite fast food place)?" Mom: "No! We have (the name of the fast food place) at home!". The stuff at home is nothing like the place (even though fast food is trash anyways) and the kid is disappointed because kids want exactly what they want. TBH it's probably much more prevalent of a saying in American culture. Shit i know it from experiencing it in childhood myself. Unfortunately things like this get out to the internet and get beaten to death as memes by people who never even experienced it in childhood and only knew it as a meme or joke. Plus the people that beat it to death are usually unfunny people in the first place and try to supplement that with memes. It was always annoying AF to hear as a kid, but again, that's mostly cause kids want what they want and are usually pretty entitled to begin with. But yeah it was a thing for literal decades before it was a meme.
I’m not sure this makes any sense. 🤷🏻♂️
I really don't like the push to make it look like iOS. Doesn't really effect me since I'm stuck with Mojave, or else I lose a ton of compatibility for my older apps.
I feel the EXACT same way! Except for the fact that I am still on High Sierra, I feel that the decision to make macOS like iPadOS was a big mistake. They are two distinct systems made for two completely different purposes and interactions!
Ryan Zohoury nah it made perfect sense and I’m glad they made the change. I just wish they didn’t go so skeuomorphic with the icons 😑
This push was already started. Have you forgotten the steps. In 2009 there was more stylization. And when moving from cats to landmarks there was again more stylization. Like a mix of current look and iOS.
problem is not if they make it look like iOS. Problem is the icons that look like nothing else.
Ryan Zohoury there is no decision to make them like each other. The navigation and layout is very very different. They are only bringing the visual styling a bit closer together. Which. They have done in phases since the last 5-7 years.
chidorirasenganz yes. Why. All will be fine if they just fix those icons.
They look like an art student trying too hard to practice shading
The notification Bell in System Preferences is absolutely hideous.
Edit: Yes, you mentioned the same thought I had about the bell.
Some things look like a really bad Linux skin.
If you use OS 11 in Light mode then look at the forward and back arrows in System Preferences, they look like they blend in, they're missing the rectangle box around the buttons.
@Deon Denis Better keep using Linux... You probably also prefer Android...
Your profile picture looks like the battery icon, maybe better than MAC OS big sur.
@@ambreiaju it's from IOS5 lol
Yeh pretty much agree with you on all that. I was surprised when I saw the WWDC demos that the icons and general UI just seemed a little off Apple’s usual standard.
The gods have answered your prayers, lol, they changed the battery Icon
So after trying to avoid it for years, they managed to have a Windows Vista (Catalina) AND a Windows 8 (Big Sur) release back to back...
What's wrong with Catalina? And Big Sur hasn't even been released yet AND is still in development, calm down.
outernet Catalina is so buggy. My favourite bug is the one where my laptop display doesn’t turn on after going to sleep (backlight on but black screen) and i have to do a hard reset, losing unsaved work. Adobe apps also didn’t work on release, a small Catalina update broke a daemon causing my CPU to spike to constant 75% usage, random massive log files in the system directory bring dropped for no reason, etc.
Shit makes me almost want to go back to windows. Almost
Gabe Newell What system are you running it on? Catalina has run flawlessly for me
@@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou what Gabe said and the fact they killed 32 bit app support.
Gabe Newell Catalina isnt bad at all. You’re just cynical. Ive been running it with minimum problems on my 5k iMac.
I'll miss the older tightly packed, smaller UI elements from our good old friend (mac)OS X. They worked fine on XGA and they're better than anything else at modern resolutions. Too bad Apple jumped on the pixel wasting trend.
OS X looks better than macOS 11. macOS 11 looks like it should be iPadOS.
Totally agree but I think that somewhere around how Catalina was already great but Big Sur is way too much!
Yeah, and while I get why you may want UI like this on windows(tablets, bad mice and trackpads), on macOS it's just wrong and sad, I hope they will remove that space wasting crap...
@@OscatA Because it probably is at the core, it makes sense that their starting point would have been iOS since they are building for ARM.
macOS is dead. It’s truly a shit show these days. Terrible user interface. Terrible user experience. No innovation. The Steve Jobs era of macOS was just a different time entirely. So sad.
I honestly thought the UI on Catalina was just fine. There were still some old "glossy" skeumorphic style icons but overall the style was still clean and up to snuff with modern design sensibilities. It was a pretty nice mix of the two and it looked neat. It really didn't need to be overhauled this hard and especially not with those icons
...this reminds me of Android phones from the days gingerbread was still considered a fresh release of Android...
Why still use a hard drive for Macintosh icon instead of SSD? Considering all macs use SSD nowadays
bro i have a 2010 imac pro and a 2009 macbook cus apple is too expensive but for some reason i have like a $1k gaming setup with a op pc but apple is way more expensive than my op gaming setup so if im not on my pc ill use my 2009 macbook or 2010 imac pro that has a mechanical hard drive lel 🙃 and i am messaging on my pc so i is forced to use low quality emojis that look like the new battery icon in mac os big sur
Same reason the save button is a floppy disk icon~
Because we know what harddrives look like, SSDs on the other hand are either a smooth rectangle or a chip.
The new shading on icons is just bad. Unbalanced and it feels like a step backwards to what it was 5y ago. But worst.
Not 5 years. It's like 10+ years back
The battery icon looks like something you get from a free icon pack.
It does.
Or Android Gingerbread.
Don’t insult free icon packs. 😢
Welcome to macOS 11: Big Brain
You have macOS 11 Big Brain Edition and you have macOS 11 Small brain edition
Apple: It's battery time !
macOS 11 Honda Civic. The same engine, ugly custom body kit.
As is the words of Sam Tucker, macOS Mcdonalds
Now updated to Sonoma and the “View” drop down is still the only one not aligned properly. Thanks a lot for pointing that out Ken, because now I can’t unsee it lol.
Thanks for what you do brotherman. We appreciate you good sir.
Edit: Quick correction. The “Window” drop down also does it sometimes depending on what’s on the desktop. If everything is closed, they’re all aligned.
I think that rounding from corners shows that in the September event a new imac comes with bigger screen and rounded corners probably then it looks way smoother and makes More sense
There's no way that's the real battery icon... It looks like a joke from 2007...
Battery icon is now reminiscent of the shape of baby feeding bottle.
the pro feel of developer is missing from big sur, it feels kinda childish.
Couldn’t agree more with you!! Buttons touching, too much rounded corners, THICK menu bars... UGH
Through the first half of this video I was like "meh, this is all personal preference" or nitpicks...but when you showed the alignment in the sound preferences
OH GOD I CAN'T UNSEE IT
macOS Big Sur sounds like an out of place name for macOS
I’m glad I’m not the only one, it looks like a slightly ugly jailbreak tweak...
I think Mac OS Big Sur has made Mac OS look cheap overall. I don’t like it.
Cheap? Look how the transparency effect makes it look better!
@@arizonan1 Something that was already available in Vista or in older Mac OS X versions.
The difference in alignment is that in previous versions of macOS those dropdowns were aligned with the edge of the button highlight at the top, which made the text out of alignment. The new menus align the TEXT instead, so the checkbox in that one menu offsets it but the text remains aligned.
You do reviews and criticism right. Saying the good, and saying the bad with constructive arguments.
I completely agree with: if you have problems, bring the solution.
Excellent video
The battery looks very "Fisher-Price". Overall those icons has a Windows XP feel to them.
I guess that's what they're trying to go for?
a design that has highlights and shadows to make things pop out from each other (making them easier to discern) but still is otherwise flat?
It does.
That's actually fine if they'd do it consistently across the whole system.
But apparently they have issues even being consistent within the same icon.
macOS: looks good
Skeuomorphism: Allow me to reintroduce myself
Skeuomorphism never actually used to be the problem, right? The previous Mac app icons were cool
Steven John flat is better.
Steven John many was horrible and really messy.
Steven John I was born after iOS 7 so I couldn’t tell you a definitive answer
Neumorphism. A shitty attempt to blend the old with the new. God I hate this UI.
This reminds me of when Windows 10 was in beta and the default system icons looked like they were clip art. There was a whole meme about the Recycle Bin looking like a kid's drawing...
For the drop-down menu alignment, a good solution would be to make the top-left edge squared. Then the origin point for all the cascading menus would be aligned.
I definitely agree with the whole "combining skeumorphism and minimalism" statement. I think a good example of this is Google's material ui in their apps (especially web apps like google calendar and Keep), it's very consistent and balanced, in general flat but still has shading and materials on it. Honestly still opening their apps makes me fascinated by how nice they are to use
I’ve seen a few tweets from people who hate this redesign like me but I’m glad to see some TH-camrs with the same views posting content about this as well. Really hope Apple will correct what they have messed up.
Nah they'll probably double down and refuse to listen to people.
I know Apple would never go back after unveiling this, but I hope they make some changes to make it more desktop-like instead of iPad-like. I have to admit that standardizing some of their designs isn’t a bad thing but I don’t like the implementation as a whole.
They're making it look like Gnome 3.
Come on Gnome 3 is pretty nice now. They fixed most of the mess
come on gnome 3 theme looks better than this cartoony mess
It is what I'm thinking. However, Gnome3 looks much better with this kind of design, Mac does it wrong.
@@arthemis1039 It still feels like it was made for tablets instead of desktops and laptops.
The battery graphic reminds me of when I was learning to create web graphics in the early 2000s.
It would be nice if Apple allowed users to select the UI theme. At least offering previous Mac OS styles would be nice. Allowing users to change the entire UI theme to a 3rd party theme seems like something Apple would never do, but at least older Apple-designed UI as an option would be awesome.
I'm gonna stay at 10.13 for two reasons
-My computer can only run up to it
-It can run 32-bit apps without issue
32-bit apps runs even in macOS Mojave.
Me: mom can we have MacOS?
Mom: No we have MacOS at home
MacOS at home: ...
This format needs to die, much like a battery.
Well I wanna recharge it now
Anyone could explain this for me? Quite confusing...
@@litflowww_channel3974 Same here.
Im tired of this joke, it isnt funny
Steve jobs would’ve fired everyone 😄
Lol ikr
Steve would've never let Jony anywhere near the UI
I'd fire all of you if i could.
Clearly they didn't want to put this on iOS this year. The press could've gone crazy!
I don't see Apple show any change for Music and TV apps macOS 11 Big Sur. For years Apple has not fixed the EQ of iTunes or Music app to fine-tune the audio of music videos. VLC app has the EQ to fine-tune the audio of music, music videos, and movies.
I'm not upgrading. I don't want a computer that looks like iOS.
Apple changes the market...
*and with this new design I'm scared of that.*
This is why I use Linux
oof, same here.
make sure to send feedback in the feedback assistant
I won’t lie, I’m a serious Apple fan, but I couldn’t stop laughing. Your delivery is top class - thanks for another great video.
Apple's first release : Let's create an smartphone that no body has ever created.
Apple in 2020 : lets add widgets and make mac os ugly.
Never mind announcing their biggest hardware shift in 15 years, I guess. Did we watch the same keynote? Or I guess the better question is did you watch the keynote?
i feel like some icons look old and “cheap”. and that battery icon reminds me of android 3 or 4 lol
Reading the comments, someone brought the word "cartoony" and I agree.
During presentation, when the word "translucent" was brought up, my first reaction was that Jony Ive had not left. So interesting to see people say it woudln't have happend under him when the styles introduced in Big Sur are very much him.
At one of his last keynotes, Steve Jobs used the expression "Back to Mac". There was huge pushback at the thought of making OS-X like IOS. Now, it has happened.
I am sticking to High Sierra. (32 bit apps) even if it causes regular crashes on my 2013 trash can due to D300 graphics card.
Mid 2012 13" Unibody User here. Can't say I'm too heartbroken about my Mac being killed off. I guess I'll update when DosDude pulls through I'll update.
Drew dosdude1 has already said that he doubts hardware graphics acceleration will ever come to Macs that have AMD Radeon 5000 or 6000 GPUs. The best you can do is replace the GPU with a Nvidia card, as it uses notebook MXM cards. Though that would require extensive disassembly and flashing the replacement card to work.
Programmed obsolescence.
it just looks so cheap overall. even the icons...
Lmao, this is like iOS 7 all over again. Everyone hated it. Looks flipping stunning to me
Rounding corners? More like cutting corners.
The huge titlebars look like the GNOME/GTK titlebars on some Linux distros, which I find very odd and out of place for a Mac.
They are GTK probably. Wouldn't be surprised.
Eh, I always thought GNOME looked pretty Mac-like personally (at least compared to many of the newer, post-Snow Leopard versions). If they refined it a little bit, it would probably work pretty well.
There's a design rule that is literally: Never use drop shadow
Yes, it's absolutely ridiculous:
*Nature*: Has three dimensions
*Graphic designers*: Anybody who draws a drop shadow will get flogged
Drop shadows can look really amazing when done right, but they often look horrible when they are way too dark to look good (protip: making them a light blue can make them look much cleaner, but only when the background is white or light gray).
Mac lost me at High Sierra -- I'm staying there on main machine. Also, Macbook Air G1 has a new life with Ubuntu and I'm liking it! (power and heat management needs attention and is a pain to manage. Also, forget good battery life.)
Yes Linux drivers for Mac can be a pain
Linux you got to be kidding
@@josecarlosxyz
Actually Linux has come a long way in terms of looks....my KDE desktop is near stock and I think it looks better than what I saw in this video.
How in the actual hell did you get macOS Big Sur running on your 2006 iMac?!
Edit plist
i think thats just the background
jonald puke You can see the new notifications tray
I'm pretty sure it's just a screenshot
@@Cobalt985 ohhh I see now. Must be my horrible eyesight lol
I've been using Macs for over 20 years (since System 7.5.3). The first OS I had complaints about was Leopard. I was never a fan of the reflective 3D Dock and translucent Menu Bar. Today, I would give anything to have that UI back.
Can we all have a moment of silence for the death of OSX? Gone, but not forgotten.
Me: sees FaceTime and iMessage icons
Look at how they massacred my bois