Chris Broussard & Rob Parker - Did LeBron James Face Tougher Competition Than Michael Jordan?
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- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker dispute this narrative that LeBron James faced tougher competition than Michael Jordan faced.
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-Chris Broussard
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Fanboys: The league is better now bcuz with time, medicine and athleticism improve.
Also fanboys: MJ didn't win in the 80s. He only dominated the 90s.
Me: By your logic, the 90s were tougher than the 80s bcuz "with time" athleticism and medicine improves. The 90s introduced us to Shaq, Mourning, C Webb, Penny, Grant Hill, KG, A.I, Nash, Ray Allen, J Kidd, Kobe, Vince Carter, T mac, Dirk, Duncan.. Revolutionary atheltic players. Not to mention the 80s legends still ballin like Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Stockton/Malone, Drexler, Barkley, Reggie and more.. And guess who dominated that era??
Against 50+ wins teams in playoffs:
Jordan: 20-7
Lebron: 10-9
Against 60+ wins teams in playoffs:
Jordan: 7-2
Lebron: 3-4
Xudong Liu Thank you for this, awesome!
here is more information:
Hall Of Famers faced during playoffs:
Jordan : 71
LeBron : 60
LeBron has played five more years than Jordan yet faced fewer Hall of Famers than Jordan during playoffs. this proves LeBron had an easier path to Finals every year and faced fewer talent than Jordan
@@youboob6297 lol you do realize that you have to retire and be out of the league for like 4 years to be elected into the hall of fame right? Let's see those numbers after all these players retire.
Now do 70 wins
Those jazz that the bulls beat were so underrated.
That team.had the all time leader in assists and steal and the 3rd all time leader in scoring.
One thing I do know is MJ and the Bulls wouldn't have lost to Dirk lol
Lmao
Everybody lost to that mavs team that year. Kobe’s team got swept
Yeah bulls never lost to teams worse than them, heat was more talented than mavs
They wouldn't have lost to any of the teams that LeBron lost to. Lol.
And which 7ft 3 point shooter did Jordan beat in the finals?
The only reason people say LeBron faced tougher competition is to give him an excuse for having less rings than Jordan 😂
oh that's the truth LOL
I mean he did play better teams in the finals than Jordan lol let’s be real
What great team did he beat? His Bulls team was the great team be real with yourself 😂
Jamie Thomas thank you I mean these teams weren’t trash but they weren’t great tho lol but spurs golden state okc lol I mean jordan never played a team that great in the finals at all or in the playoffs
@@jamiethomas5849 right his Bulls team was the great team it ain't Jordan's fault cause his team maintained to stay dominate every season and LeBron's teams couldn't 😂😂 and the Suns, Supersonics and Utah Jazz in 97 and 98 were all 60+ win teams when the Bulls played them in the Finals
But Old Dirk and Old Duncan beat Lebron 😂😂😂
Dirk wasnt old he took down kobe lakers after they just won the title that team was very good and it was more then duncan they had manu parker and a young kawhi plus coach pop come on
Are you dumb did you watch that 2014 finals? Lebron average 28 on 56% from the field and 50% from 3. The problem was that wade was on his last legs and only average like 16 that series. Let’s not mention the spurs were shooting lights out and had one of the greatest statistical finals ever. Only one person on the starting lineup shot below 50% from the field at 47%, also no one on the starting lineup shot below 40% from 3, while Danny green setting the record for 3s in a final game. That spurs team was easily the best team and would’ve beaten anyone that year.
Dirk was drafted in 99 the series you're talking about happened in 2011
Brian G that 2014 Spurs team would beat every single team of the 90s. Their style of play and level of shot making was on another level.
truthseeker89 for life But Lebron said he would win not 4, not 5, not 6 😂😂😂😂
Chris list Lebron comps
Rob: who?
Millennials say Bird wasn't good... Once you say that I have to walk away, Bird/MJ/ Magic are once in a lifetime talents.
kd better than bird
@@Davidm-ou5mo NOPE
@@Getloose360 what was bird better at doing
@@Getloose360 bird was slow an none athletic
Getloose360 ur crazy if u don’t think kd better than bird
Duncan was past his prime and sas didn’t just beat him!!! SAS SMASHED Lbj.
We wasn't just pas his prime, he was like 5 years from his prime.
Duncan was already like 37 by then and Ginobili was too. I think they're just one year apart. Also Parker was showing signs of decline.
Max 117 exactly. These Lebron apologists are pathetic.
Are we gonna compare team against team or team against a player
@@boppinboyz Thank you, lets be honest the miami heat had nobody out of lebron in 2014. His second option D wade played horrible.
@@_M3WTW0_ exactly nobody else came to play besides him so why are ppl holding that against him like ppl are expecting him put up 100 points, 100 rebound and 100 assists
Y’all FINALLY admit Bron had 2 of the Top 10 players in the league on his team Bosh/Wade. AND there wasn’t another top 10 player in his conference his second stint in Cleveland. Y’all wonder why the East was so trash all those years. Two playoff teams were taken away after the “Decision”
Keith Purifoy I’m not defending lebron. But don’t disrespect D.rose like that. He was mvp for a reason
@@bmo_preme9507 D.Rose was only a top 10 player for ONE year. He won mvp at 22yo wasn't even in his prime yet.
ronnell whitson ig u think drose was top 10 for only his mvp year u didn’t watch basketball. Drose fought against lebron and the heat more than one year. That’s the team ppl were rooting for to take the heat out in the east. DROSE and the ROLE PLAYERS.
@Dats a paddlin And LeBron only played the KD Warriors 2 times and got 1 win. It's not like he played that team every year either.
Dats a paddlin no he played with Love to 3 finals and Kyrie 2 so overall he went to 7 finals straight with multiple all stars on his team and him being the best player.
@3:00, bulls were old in 1998 and still won..
Its funny how they say the pistons were old, but when the bulls picked up rodman later, suddenly he wasn't old lol
Preach
@@MR.__G Especially when you consider the Pistons weren't old. Dumars, Rodman, Aguirre, and Dumars were all either under 30 or just above that. The only core player that was somewhat aged was Laimbeer.
Same goes for the Lakers. They were young. People just seem to forget that Kareem was significantly older than Magic, and they just assume they were the same age or something. So Kareem being ancient gets tied with Magic being old. Idk, it's just funny cause Magic was what? 31 when the Bulls beat em?
Max 117 Magic was 2nd mvp that season & was the mvp the previous year. But he was old & washed 😂😂😂 Even in the documentary they alluded to the lakers beating the blazers, who they felt was the best team. So they had the lakers winning in the finals. Bulls had no experience in the finals. Just a shame how these lebron fans try to rewrite history, just to make an argument for him being the best.. smh
@@MR.__G Jordan's better than Lebron, but in all fairness to Showtime, the Lakers no longer had Coop or Kareem in 91', 2 big time cogs in their title yrs.
No one talks about all those wack eastern conference teams lebron has been feasting on his whole career
You mean like when Jordan's Bulls once went 30-52 and made the playoffs? You guys know so little and are basing your "sources" off nostalgia rather than actual facts. Jordan wasn't going through any historic teams. If you think Reggie Miller and Rik Smits were a historic team, I have nothing else to establish here.
Samuel Hicks hahaha u mean the mj era where teams made playoffs with losing records bahahahahahah
Because they weren't that weak. The Detroit Pistons Lebron went through won a championship. The Celtics team that Lebron went through had won a Championship. Derrick Rose was Amongst the best Players, Paul George and the Indiana Pacers were great. Let's not Catch Amnesia now... lol 😆
@@ronbrooks6547 And still Reggie Miller's Pacers were better than Paul George's Pacers. Bird's Celtics were better than the Big 3 Celtics. The Bad Boy Pistons were better than Billups/Wallace's Pistons. Alonzo Mourning/Tim Hardaway's Heat were better than almost all of Wade's Heat teams. Price/Daughterty's Cavs were better than LeBron's 1st stint Cavs. I can keep going.
@@sdfishinn Those were great teams but great teams exist every year. Clippers are great, Bucks are great, Warriors are great, Rockets are great. Historical teams are the Spurs and Warriors. None of the teams MJ beat were on that level. You talk about the Jazz.. Name me two players outside of Stockton and Malone. You can't! The rest of the roster were just role players. That Magic team beat the Bulls once and lost to them once. It wasn't like the Bulls went through them every year and Shaq switched to the Lakers and the Magic were never the same again. So how were they a historic team? The same with the Supersonics. They were a great regular season team but kept getting bounced out of the playoffs by other Western Conference teams. They only managed to make the NBA Finals once. Again, how is that historic? The Spurs made the NBA Finals with a consistent roster for nearly a decade. The Warriors were ravaging the league and with the addition of KD, were the most star studded NBA team in NBA history. Yes, LeBron's East was weak but that largely affects his Finals record as well so you guys can't have it both ways. If LeBron played in the West, his Finals record would be much better because it would have been a guaranteed victory vs the Eastern conference team. Also, isn't it funny that people are saying that the Eastern Conference was so weak but yet, when Kawhi or the Celtics go through it, no one says anything? The LeBron hate is just unreal.
Jordan beat more then 50 ALL stars
Jordan beat more then 30 ALL of famers
Know your thing amt don't speak nonsense
PREACH!!! And he beat more 60 win teams then anybody in NBA history!!!
dont forget Jordan got swept 3 times in first rounds by the Celtics and 0 and 6 against the Celts in the playoffs ...keep it 100
@@bkhcreditgroup 6/6/6...who cares If he got sweep in the first round against very good teams, some of them multiple times champions...
@@bkhcreditgroup and he had a bunch of drug addicts with him playing against a team with 3 ir 4 ALL of famers and 2 more ALL stars... don't embarasse youself
r13p13 Sounds like you’re embarrassing yourself making excuses Jordan was getting his ass kicked by the superteams of the 80s as soon as they got older he took over the 90s simple as that
I’m 35 and I know who the greatest is and it is Michael Jordan.
I'm 35 too i remember watching the bulls play
All I'm going to say is this, when you get to the NBA finals and you beat a team , that usually prevents the other team's Superstar from going higher on the all-time list
Well said sir...
Facts! Duncan, Curry, Durant, Kawhi, and Dirk all raised their all-time ranking by whooping Lebron's super teams. And they ALL have a winning record vs. Lebron too lmao. "Lebron dominated this era" smh
@@simple45679
2012 ECF:
Celtics:
Ray Allen ( age 36 ), Post-Injuries Kevin Garnett ( age 36 ), Paul Pierce ( age 34 )
Still needed 7 games to beat the Celtics.
2013 Nba Finals.
Spurs: Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Manu ( age 35 ), Kawhi ( age 21 )
Still needed 7 games to beat the Spurs.
@@simple45679 It makes sense. Duncan has 2 finals appearances 2010s wrong era for duncan.
Curry decent record, but with no finals mvps he isn't in this conversation yet needs to lead a team.
Durant had an argument until he needed two if the best shooters in history to beat bron. Needs to lead a team
Dirk sadly couldn't get back to finals after 11. He needs some more work 2 finals appearances ain't much here compared to kareem jordan magic bron duncan
Kawhi hasn't lead a team against bron yet, may not get the chance. Sadly only lead his team once. Needs more work
@@sirm.a.r.s4640 well obviously none of them are better than LeBron, but that's not the point. The point is that everybody ATE during this era (2010s) that LeBron supposedly "dominated". All these players I listed have 2+ rings under Lebron's watch (except Dirk but looking at that makes LeBron look even worse) . Doesn't look like domination by any standards
When Jordan dominated, barkley, malone, Stockton, payton, ewing couldn't get rings.
Mike destroyed damn near 50 percent of the top 50 greatest players of all time..
this is not even a debate
FACTS
They not too 50 now when ya add today's players
Ewing Malone Stockton and Barkley. That's is
@@Traydavis1 cap
Mj one on one with wilt beats Mj ten out of ten times
mj has played against and defeated more 60 win teams than lebron has in the playoffs. this is fact.
sthao1 go look at those teams and you’ll realize how overrated they are lebron and Kobe played better competition
Facts
@jocriss pot meet kettle
sthao1 LMAO!!!!!!!! Bro... clearly you didn’t watch the 80’s and 90’s... Jordan’s Bulls were always the favorite in every series he played in the Finals. Why is that? Because he always had the better teams...Most of LeBron’s teams were underdogs against better teams that the fans, ESPN, and the national media declared. LeBron faced better competition and it’s not close.
@@ike.o6944 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Fanboys opened up a Pandora's Box when talking about competition because they only focused on who Bron played in the finals and forgot he ran and created a super team in an Eastern Conference that was so weak they changed the All-Star format and were in talks to change the playoff format.
Pat Riley and Wade would like to have a word with you.
@@mastadabator Let's talk about it
Mj had a super team in a era full of plumbers
@@dadillonful
*Joakim Noah- Top 4 in the MVP vote ( 2014 ).*
Top 4 ? ? If Joakim Noah had played in the 90s, he would have been a role-playing player.
*Deandre Jordan- All-Nba First Team ( 2016 ).* Lol.
Place Shaquille O"Neal and Hakeem Olajuwon in the modern league and Wilt Chamberlain"s records will be broken. Even 5"8 Isiah Thomas can average 29-ppg. in this soft league.
Lebron fans are mostly casual.
Who had the weaker competition between MJ and Lebron.
Who NEVER PLAYED OR BEAT A SUPERTEAM (3 HOFs on 1 team e.g. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman) on his many final appearances. Talk about weak. Chris thinks he's slick and we don't know basketball history. SMDH Some guy answered me the Pistons, but they had been to 3 straight Finals before Jordan beat them. If you know NBA History, after 3 finals the team is done by the 4th year. You can check every team. GTFOH 🤡
Lebron had a cake walk to the Finals in the East when he played. MJ had to get past cream of the crop of the East.
big D Knicks(patrick,antony mason,jhon stark,charles oakley,ron harper) Indiana (R miller,chris mullin,rick smith,Antonio davis dalle davis) marck jackson play for both team and was a good player
@big D obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. East in the 90's was the better conference. What's LeBron fans trying to imply. LeBron had the superteam yet he lost to the Mavericks. I love LeBron as a player. But the LeBron fans are what get to me. Most have no clue and make false assumptions.
Players are way more skilled in today’s game each decade the players get better and got better stop it...most of this era taking a lot of the 90’s players down the greatest list and that’s a fact
Patry ewin in New York and bounce guys who couldn’t shoot. In Indiana Reggie Miller in Indiana.
The "Least"
Im going to be 32 and Jordan was my jordan. I was a fan of those mugsy, LJ, Mourning teams. If you were a basketball fan you were not too young
90s' Bulls fan, and I know that there is no Eastern team that I feel would have defeated the bulls in less than 6 without Mike. Other than, the bad boy team of 91. That was the bulls toughest competition in the 90s. You could have plugged in Drexler, A.I. McGrady, Ray Allen, D.Rose, Kobe, Leonard, James, Thompson, D. Wade, Penny, Grant Hill, Harden, Westbrook, George, Anthony Davis, Melo, Baron Davis, and that's enough. Basically any 2g that can get you about 20-25 and play defense. Maybe even 40 if needed.
I’m 31 and if you were black, you were born a MJ fan
Parker always in his Brady and King 👑 James feeling
They keep saying how the pistons got old so I did the math, the average age of the bad boy Piston’s was 28 years old, the average age of the 17-18 warriors was also 28 years old... so that “they got odd” argument holds no water
Joseph Hornbuckle and lebron best the Boston big 3 when they were around 34-36 years old and he was 27. And it took him to join wade and bosh.
Old as in seasons and games played. Isiah came into the league in 81', MJ 84', Pippen & Grant 87'. Pistons teams had battles with Boston & LA before the Bulls. Pistons were going for the first 3 peat when they lost to Bulls.
Thank you bro I been saying this for 20 yrs
In 1989 Pistons were 63-19 , 59-23 in 1990. When Bulls beat them in 1991 they are 50-32 the 9th best record in the league. 92 they have 48 wins and lose in the first round , 93 they are 40-42. So technically old or not they were trending down. And are 3-1 vs Jordan in series.
@@fresh2def23231 who are you thanking? You can't be thanking the original commenter because 17/18 Warriors did not exist 20 years ago.
I almost forgot Nick Wright existed. I’m not joking.
Karl Malone and John Stockton were amazing together, been watching their old games online and my god they were like peanut butter and jelly
I just had a debate with a guy about Utah. They were a great team. Every team in the 90s just about every team had 2 stars. That's where NBA JAM came about. It's not Jordan fault that LBJ had to go make his own super teams. What they think players were just sit around and watch him stack the deck yr after yr.
Kudos to you. Alot of people say Jordan beat bums but didn't watch the game tape of any of those teams. All of those games are on TH-cam it's easy to watch.
@@Nolaboy17 Haha...true. Didn't think about it but yeah, that's what NBA Jam did is play 2 on 2 with the top players from each team.
@@jtremaine23 And Jordan played baseball that year, so the Bulls were Pippen and Grant (only year he made an All-Star team, avg 15/11).
504 Bull how many stars on durants warriors?
Just plain dumb. Mj 27 wins against 50 plus win teams. Leflop 13.
Michael Gray leflop he says lmao have some respect when talking about the goat u loser
in LeBrons 17 years to MJs 13 💰
Just have some respect to lebron.
The goat 3out 9 yeah right no hell no, with no hand checking. You and Rob need not smoke weed on the radio
They stopped hand checking in 1979.
It became a foul. Do your research
@@derekesmith5754 yes I know that, but the game was way much more physical then. You had bigger stronger players in that eara, now there saying that bron makes teammates better.
I say bullshit, if that was the case why did he leave Cleveland
2 times and Miami. What was it 8 or 9 times to the Finals
and only won 3 but he makes his teammates better.
Wow!! Facts Mr. Smith. SMH
This is hilarious! 😂 the lebron apologists are pushing so hard to discredit MJ that Bouchard is being forced to come off the LBJ wagon!!! The nerve of these morons to try to discredit MJ when Lbj has a freaking cakewalk to the Finals 8 yrs in a row!!! Disgraceful!!!
In Jordan’s era, teams literally had players whose sole purpose was to “take-out” the opposing best player. Today, you can’t look at the ref without getting a double technical.
@Dats a paddlintheir on-ball defense sucked? Stick to the videogames kid
@@tombrown8992 so I don't get how if Jordan is gonna average 10 more points or whatever vs today's competition. Wouldn't that mean someone like Kevin Durant would average 10 less in that "vastly" better defensive era? Like have people seen Durants shooting and ball handling skills at 7ft? Yet he can only average a career like 27ppg at 50percent and Jordans so much better at scoring hes getting 40ppg if he played in this era? It doesn't add up that defense is that much worse. Its less physical but the athletism and versatility of the athletes must be narrowing that gap of less physicality , if not you'd be saying guys suck so much today they can't put the ball in the basket vs horrible defense. Doesn't make sense looking at their skillsets .
Today's game you can't tweet about an opposing player without a two game suspension?
@@juju-vl7oj Kd has trouble handling the rock with smaller players up on him. He would have had to be a Reggie Miller type catch and shoot off of 10 or so screens. He's not physically gifted to have taken that kind of on ball defense or the playoff fouls of that era. Bron wouldn't have scored as many points either. He doesn't drive to the hole when there are big men in the paint .
@@tombrown8992 nah hes right bro, mj is the better player than lebron but the defense in that era was trash
Jordan beat Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Isiah Thomas, Dominque Wilkins, Reggie Miller, Shaquille O'Neal, Patrick Ewing, Joe Dumars, Larry Bird, Gary Payton, John Stockton, Alonzo Mourning, etc... Meanwhile the best teams Bron beat was not in their primes. KD was 23, Westbrook was 23, harden was 22, kawhi was 21, Duncan was 37, kg was 34+, Ray Allen was 35+, Pierce was 33+, etc. Imagine getting excited over wins against those guys with a prime LeBron-Wade-Bosh. Only great team Bron EVER beat was the Golden State Warriors, period.
He beat the Warriors... yet he needed a league suspension & Bogut's injury to get it done.
Raphael A-R great point, even though I like Lebron, hated MJ I’ll never say Lebron is better than MJ
Chris in 2017: "Jordan never faced a team with more than 2 Hall of Famers...LeBron has faced 26."
Chris in 2020: "THESE KIDS DON'T KNOW HOW GREAT JORDAN WAS."
Lol damn make up your mind, Chris 🤦🏽♂️
Bron had more time to prove it then. Now he doesn’t. Jordan is clearly #1. Bron is arguably 2. Bron is a giant no doubt.✌🏾
I mean he said things but he has always said MJ is the greatest.
Utah had 2 hall of famers Stockton @ Malone.
Lebron has an easier road to the finals . Jordan had an easier finals
Just Branden Ex Bron fan and I definitely agree
In the 80s MJ faced better competition better teams Celtics, Pistons amd even the Lakers.
Once the 90s came around the teams were not as good as the 80s and MJ just became a juggernaut along with Pippen.
Lebron has had to face Monsters from the get go.
Lebron faced Tim Duncan in his very first finals.
Lebron has had to face a great Spurs teams led by Duncan. A great Mavericks team. As well as the best shooting backcourt of all time in the Warriors. A prime Westbrook and Durant. As well as Durant on the Warriors.
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MARZOSIRUS agree. If kd didnt went to the warriors lebron wouldve 5 rings
MARZOSIRUS KD nor Westbrook was in their prime
Why does it always have to be LeBron?
There are SO MANY other amazing players that have played and accomplished great achievements.
I just don't understand why they have to only bring up one particular player...with a LOSING finals record I might add.
Really? Jerry West ring any bells?
A Dad's Life _ it create a lot of buzz equals business bro
A Dad's Life _ you really shouldn’t listen.... I think the dink and dunk podcast is talking about the people you wanna hear about my boy lol
A Dad's Life _ he’s the chosen one and has been force fed to us since entering the league. There’s clearly a league wide initiative to pump up lebron on the media. L
Narrative.
Lebron needs to just say he’s not better to put this to bed. Kobe kept it real and he’s the real next best thing... I think we could enjoy his game a bit more if this nonsensical debate was dead.
But he's a soft egomaniac, can't so it. That will destroy him, too late to back down
Lebron made the finals 9 times because he wasn't playing any HOF's..and when he did he got embarrassed..he's 8-24 in his 6 Finals losses and 2 out of the 3 he won could've went either way..where's the dominance?
As context...look at Iverson's run to the 2001 Finals :
- Old Pacers in the first round
- Peak Vince (30 ppg) & the Raptors in the second
- Cassell, Ray, & Big Dog in the third
- Shaq and Kobe in the Finals
Bron never faced a run like that, and even his BEST team - 2012 Heat - probably don't win it that year.
PLEASE STOP COMPARING LEBRON TO MJ‼️ YALL GOT NOTHING ELSE TO DO BUT TRY TO PUT LEBRON IN MJ’S CLASS... THERE IS NO COMPARISON IF BRON DOESNT WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP THIS YEAR IF THE NBA COMES BACK HE WILL NEVER WIN AGAIN.. KD KYRIE WILL BE BACK , THE WARRIORS WILL RETOOL , CLIPPERS WILL GET STRONGER, BUCKS ETC.. PEAK FOR PEAK POUND FOR POUND MJ ALL DAY‼️🐐🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
No more Klan rally to attend?
Excuse will be made Covid caused him too loose
Really just to create the narrative tht the bulls didn't beat a all great team the balance of competition in the 90s was completely fine wtf they talkin bout smfh
Cheyenne Zaremba 😂😂😂😂
Joshua Reynolds they are bored and the bronsexuals are upset that Brons is on borrowed time they need to just keep it real. Bron is a great player but‼️ there’s levels to greatness..
He's not second, and a loser, against bench players like Jason Terry, J.J. Barrera, he ran away from Kevin Durant. LeBron wanted no parts of Kevin Durant, and now a newer obstacles are wanting some of LeBron, by the names Kahwii, George.
Prominent agent called me and said Jordan wouldn't be good today? Hmm I'm guessing Rich Paul???
Just like that time they said " who the hell is Mel Kiper Jr." Who is Rich Paul? LeSystems best friend
Lol... LeBron's yes man
Exactly
Yea lebron has it so tough he had to leave teams to team up with all stars to get rings
It had nothing to with his organization? He told you that personally?? Or you just speaking out the side of your neck?
yeah cus lebron is way smarter than you idiot..if lebron mind like u he has 0 rings s7ch a brainless idiot people
@Dats a paddlin well theres a big difference, mj didint demand and scout a star player to play with him and help him. lebron he demand to management who he wants to play with. they got pippen by draft and pippen is not that good player basketball yet.
@Dats a paddlin the huge difference was Mj made good players better. Pippen wasn't a star ? He was behind Brad sellers? Mj got the most out of everyone on that team. Bron expects his teammates to dominate and make it easier for him. Mj did the dominating and asked his teammates to hold their own. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
@Dats a paddlin cavs and heat management never got enough credit for assembling a good team either
Please go and look up the age of the Big 3 Celtics when the Heatles beat them, and compare to the age of the Bad Boy Pistons when Bulls beat them
Add that to the ages of the 2013 Spurs
The last dance has everyone in their feelings!😂😂😂😂
I only see Jordan fanboys in their feelings. “They will see how good he was”. We don’t care. My view hasn’t changed on him. He beat nobodies.
@@gvinz797 You're definitely in your feelings. Just look at the long list of Hall of Famers that don't have rings because of Jordan. Lebron is one of my favorites but lets face it, everyone has eaten in his era.
@@xaviervega468 thats because everyone is teaming up to beat him they never did that in Jordan era
ManlyMan
Ignorance
@@xaviervega468 lmao dude these LeSexuals sensitive af. Stockton and Malone would be a problem. Glove and kemp would give these MF’s the business those Portland teams (lost to the pistons AND Jordan bulls) were deeper than pippen blazers lmao
Bron fans put extra value against a jv conference
jordan faced tougher teams....Lebron lost to weak competition early on..the Spurs were old as hell and so were the mavericks and the mavericks were not favored to win the title..the 2006-2007 Cavs had the easiest path to the finals probably ever beating two 41-41 teams and a pistons team in the ECF with no ben wallace, then got swept. he runs off to miami and loses to dallas whos average age was 35 years old and were not picked to win it all. he beat a very young OKC team for a title and an old Spurs team the Spurs average age was 34 then loses the very next season to the same old ass spurs by the largest margin of victory in NBA HISTORY!!! the league is a piece of garbage today....
503305 Podcast that same Dallas team tgat swept Kobe them the defending champs?? Chemistry is everything...yal don’t know ball
Miami as a team didn’t show up that last finals vs the spurs stop you seen with your on eyes he could have averaged 50 and that series and the 1 vs Goldenstate wouldn’t have mattered if you basketball you know
@@djones1943 Lebron couldn't show up when guarded by Kawhi in close moments. 34% from the field when covered by Kawhi. 51/144 points scored in blowout situations, seems like your guy just padded his stats so he doesn't take the blame (like he always tries to do). In 2018, "I basically played with a broken hand" lmao
Lol any of these teams can't hang with 2k16-2k19 golden state
The spurs were old. It was Tim Duncan in the middle of his prime. Parker and manu 4 years in the league. The spurs beat the Lakers With Kobe and shaq 3 times. In 2004 fisher with 4 seconds left safe shaq and Kobe carries
I swear I was just telling this dude how great Utah was and how they were waxing those Lakers teams with Shaq and Kobe. Yes, Fisher, Horry, Fox, Lue, Rice, Jones. Just a few additions were made in 2000 on that Lakers team. Utah took out that 4 headed monster in Houston in 97 who was only 2yrs removed from winning back to back Chips.
Really? Kobe was in his 1st and 2nd season
@@dparks2856 It doesn't negate the fact that Utah was a force.
@@dparks2856 he added kobe so people who don't know basketball agree with his delusion
This Doc has been awesome because it has all the analysts speaking Unfiltered Truth -> MJ>LBJ all day! 🐐🐐
Makes me laugh to see this generation assume that the players from the 90’s wouldn’t be capable of shooting more 3’s and being just as athletic as today’s players. They played in the 90’s and early 2000’s, not the 50’s or 60’s! The game is less fundamentally sound and teams rely on 3 pt shooting with lax rules. And to think that a competitor like MJ wouldn’t elevate his game against these cats today? Nonsense. Like I said, Lebron went 3-5 in the Finals during that 8 yr run. This subject would matter if he had won more than he had lost.
I agree with the conclusion, but not the evidence of 'Lebron was 3-5 in the finals!!' . He consistently dragged undermanned and under talented teams through the east on his back and then played vs far deeper and heavily favored teams in the west. Thats BETTER than losing in the playoffs EARLIER. Would it have been better if he lost in the semis and only made it to say 4 finals to go 3-1? Obviously not. Do people complain MJ was only 6-7 in the post season and 6-9 in all seasons? All that matters is how they played in the finals itself if you are looking at that as a strong factor and Lebron played at an MVP level in all but 1 finals series. I still have MJ 1 Lebron 2 but lets stop with that stupid Skip Bayless argument.
loungezinger is that how you remember it ? Lebron having “undermanned teams” ? He was also in a under manned EAST too.. I don’t get what you’re saying when you say “DRAG” so let me get this right, Zydrunas Ilgauskas is a scrub ? Those teams he had in the east wasn’t as bad as you making it seem dude. You’re really stretching actually.
loungezinger you’re saying lebron played at an MVP Level in all the finals he’s played in, that’s fine... if we just talking about how players performed ... most superstars of his level.. perform.. but that 3-6 record though. I doubt if Jordan were to have that record you’d be saying the same things.
@@sorryidgaf.6043 My point was , would it have been better to not even make it there to have a better finals record? Because thats all they point to. But you have to factor in how large of an underdog his teams in the finals were and even getting most of those teams there was a hell of an achievement. Better than losing in 1st or second round or something. Which MJ did quite alot. Im still MJ 1, Lebron 2 but I find the finals record argument to be crappier evidence.
This generation won't embrace your opinion cuz you're also the very thing you claim to hate. You're not giving this generation of players their credit, don't expect to be heard if you won't even try to hear what they say
lol aii these dudes are tripping...DRose with Boozer, Deng, Noah, Brewer, Hinrick, Korver etc etc...was a much more SKILLED and TALENTED team than those New York teams..period
you must be joking..the East was far tougher back when MJ played..not even close..only reason LBJ got in so many Finals was because the East was weak..
Paul Jansen so what about the finals tho why you ignore that like that’s not competition what team was better than 17 warriors ???
@@haezeushawkins436 you are right about that..great team and a amazing performance by LeBron..however...question was about competition..and to get to the finals the Bulls faced tougher competition (and those Finals MJ played: Lakers, Blazers, and Suns were no walk in the park on that first three peat..)
javon hawkins the Cavs won one game against the Warriors w/ KD in two years. The Clippers won more games against them last year in the first round without a single star on the team. The Cavs has three!
@@pauljansen1137 The East might've been tougher but it still wasn't good lol. Tougher does not equate to good. I think bulls lose to everyone Lebron's teams lost to in the finals. Including all the Warriors teams, Spurs twice, OKC AND Dallas.
@@pauljansen1137 and don't forget a big reason the East was weak was LeBron diluted the conference by joining forces and teaming up with other players from Eastern conference playoff teams
LeBron in MIA did the samething I did when I flucked my first girl, over promised and under delivered
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 great point.
good comparison..brutally honest lol!
Mr SS yoo🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭Imma lebron fan and that’s facts
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They won 2 out of 4. Shaq and Kobe won 3 in 8 years. So...
33 next month and MJ raised me. Kobe, AI, Garnett was 2nd wave for me. Jordan was the NBA until I was in middle school. 2nd repeat I remember very well my uncle was from Seattle so i remember watching that and both Jazz series.
And you didnt flop back then, you got put on your ass, with no call. Now you stare too long and a player flopping and getting the call. Lebron included.
Funny how Rodman birthed flopping..
Man I watch basketball back then jordan got calls just like now
Pippen and Grant were called floppers and whiners for that time. MJ was on their ass after the 1990 ECF so that they would knock it off. Every era has floppers, it's just far more embarrassing now. Players don't even try to make it look believable anymore at times.
During MJ's finals years the fta's (in the regular season) were up by about 3.5 compared to the current NBA. In the 80's teams shot about 6 more fta's.
that's a lie, you couldn't touch MJ everyone knows that
Yeah read that Yahoo! roundtable thing and it was BS what they said about MJ's era.
1. 90's era was being watered down because of expansion teams taking away good players from existing teams is incorrect. When expansion teams arrived they were only allowed to take from existing teams 8-12 rotation players, so the core of best players of teams remain intact throughout the expansions.
2. They talk as if Lebron did not face teams with only one All Star caliber teams. He did Rose only Chicago, Paul George Indiana, Isaiah Thomas Boston, etc.
HE LOST IN THE FINALS AGAINST A DALLAS WITH ONLY DIRK!!
3. Multiple All Star players in one team does NOT automatically translate better competition. It can even mean dysfunction. Just look at OKC who had George & Westbrook then with Westbrook & CP3. Lakers with Kobe, Howard, Nash.
4. "Analytics" say players today are "better". Not realising that numbers can inflate due to prevailing RULES of the game which is specifically geared for more offense compared to earlier eras putting premium on defense.
5. Players today being "more athletic" than older generations is a gross oversimplification.
Athleticism had always been there. What changed is rules today ALLOWS MORE FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT for players.
Back then travel and ball carry rules are called tighter relatively speaking.
Physicality and handcheck meant defenders are allowed to put their hands on you impeding your dribbling, direction and acceleration. I bet not many players today will be able to dribble with ease and do stepbacks when defender are allowed to be close to the player, when I say close, I mean literally hands pushing you and breathing on your neck close.
Not hating but Lebron for example excelled because he can accelerate towards the basket unimpeded. He will not be able to do that is his defender is allowed to handcheck him from beyond the arc and push him to blunt his momentum.
Prime Shawn Kemp had freakish power and athletecism on par with Lebron, if you play him at this era he would have been at a serious advantage for sure.
6. Players back then are DEMANDED TO PLAY FULL TIME DEFENSE. Just look at how many of the players today are actual elite defenders or two way players. Playing both ends of the court is far physically demanding than just playing offense.
AND WE AREN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE "LOAD MANAGEMENT" abomination that is prevalent today.
Edit: Updated with fine tuned and additional points.
The teams or players can never play each other in their primes from different eras so to stay fair its going how good are they relative to their own era.
Spurs and Warriors are 7 of Lebrons 9
Finals. Spurs got through the West 6times. Warriors got through the West 5times in a row.
Only team Bulls played in finals who was good enough to get through the West twice was the 1998 Jazz and 92 Blazers but they lost to the Pistons. And the 98 Jazz team is the worst team he faced in Finals. They were the 17th rated defense. John Stockton is the 2nd best player at 11pts and 7ast. Only real serious offensive threat was Malone. So their defense isn't great and offensively only one guy who's really legit a guy you have to double on offense.
Lebron easily has had tougher finals opponents and tougher situations playing the 07,14,15 and 18 finals with no All-NBA teammates defensively or offensively that season. But even though the situations are tougher, he didn't win so we can't just give him titles he didn't win. But it's funny how the star gets the blame no matter what numbers they put up or the situation, until someone tries to explain Jordan not having a .500 record his first 3seasons with a 1-9 playoff record.
@@juju-vl7oj The 1998 Jazz were rated 17th on defense but were also the number 1 offense in the league that year. You forgot to mention that. Also the spurs in 2013 and 2014 had a past their prime Duncan and Ginobili and a pre prime Kawhi that wasn't the same Duncan led spurs team of the early 2000's and Lebron barely won in 2013 and got smoked in 2014. Also if you're holding MJ being 1-9 at the beginning of his career against him then do the same for Lebron who missed the playoffs entirely the first 2 years of his career.
Kid Peligro sorry bro but you are wrong,those teams that the bulls beat were good but not great. LeBron beat 2 all time great teams.
@@sugarbear1225 So the Bad Boy Pistons and Magics Lakers aren't all time great teams?
@@62lceaser missed the playoffs with a better combined record coming out of high-school when Cavs were 17-65year before Bulls like 27wins. And #1 ranked offense yea, with only 1 legit scorer. Duncan made all NBA defense and offense in 2015 so top 15player. Kawhi didn't have the numbers but with less offensive responsibility arguably best wing defender ever that could get 20 within flow is top 15, Tony Parker NBA second team so top 10 arguably. Top 5 coach ever undisputed. Way better bench. Ginobili looking revitalized not far from his peak in less minutes. All NBA is 15players . Bosh made 1 his entire career , so arguably never a top 15player. Dwyane Wade didn't make an all NBA team ever again after 2013 , 14ppg in that series. It was Lebrons teammates that got worse in 2014 not Lebron. And 2014 Spurs are one of the best TEAMS as far as teamwork goes ive ever seen , with 3top 15 players at the time.
LMAO your joking right, here's some players off the top of my head...
96 Knicks Ewing Oakley Mason Derek Harper Doug Christie Charlie Ward 96 Magic (60 wins) Penny Shaq N Anderson Darrell Armstrong Horace Grant Dennis Scott Brian Shaw
97 Bullets (8 seed 40 win team) Juwan Howard Chris Webber George Mureshean Rod Strickland Ben Wallace (before pistons) 97 Hawks Mookie Blaylock Mutombo Laettner Steve Smith
98 8th seed Nets Sam Cassell K V Horn Kerry Kittles Jayson Williams Kendall Gill Xavier McDaniel 98 Pacers Chris Mullin Smits Reggie Jalen Rose Antonio & Dale Davis Derek Mckey 98 Heat (1 seed) Bruce Bowen T Hardaway Zo Mourning Jamal Mashburn Dan Majerle Voshon Leonard
chunky9791 a lot of those dudes you named were goons not good basketball players lol.
that's some names right there my man dam Armstrong had hops too dude could get up back then
@@deciuswtasby
6"3 Steve Nash - 2x MVP ( 2005, 2006 )
If Steve Nash won the MVP in the 90s, Lebron fans would say that white non-sports players dominated the 90s.
Lebron got held in check by 5’9” JJ Barrera
Just Paid that’s a lie
Only casual say this,
these dudes don’t really watch hoop man it’s sad lol
Jordan couldn't gaurd a injured magic
Lebron didn't play aggressively. That finals loss is on him. But let's not act like the Mavs weren't good. Swept the Lakers in the 2nd round and held Kobe to 17pts each in the desperation closeout games as the defending champs.
Letgetitman Hi Magic had 9 assists but 7 turnovers when Jordan guarded him in 91. That’s a horrible ratio sir. Magic wasn’t injured stop lying . MJ actually had a toe injury in that series.
The truth is the only reason Lebron made it to the finals so many times is because he was in the much weaker Eastern conference. Had he been in the West he might not have made the finals at all. Jordan had to get through a dynasty in the Pistons and those incredible Knicks and Pacers teams. Jordan had a much more difficult road to get to the finals.
exactly and that showed with him missing the playoffs twice and losing in the first round in his 4 years
Just nah
@@legoat594 just yeah. Lebron's path was pathetic. Everyone called it the leastern conference because it was that bad lol
I’m 53 so I was there for MJ and I’m here for LBJ. I’m from Miami so I like Lebron over Michael. I didn’t say he was better because he’s not, MJ is the best basketball player I’ve ever seen. I just don’t like MJ’s personality. But Dr. J us my all time favorite because he was from my real youth.
LeBron is the most valuable players of all time. Mj is to the best player of all time
@@smoothgent1011 if I'm a coach and able to pick who I want LeBron or Jordan I'm taking Jordan everytime.
So where do you compare DOC to bron, I’m a student of the game and I think prime doc is really really slept on.
The road to finals is tougher in the 80’s 90’s...especialy in the east...
That’s not even a question
Boy stop historically the East has always been underwhelming For either MJ or LBJ
Mario Fulgore Lmao!!! You don’t know basketball. The East was stacked in the 90s Going through the Miami Heat, Knicks, Pacers, Cavs just to get to the Finals in the 90s.
Forget about his growing pains trying y the o overcome the 3 times champions Celtics and the 2 times champions Pistons 😂😂😂
You need to learn
The 80's yes. The 90's not so much. The West was stronger then as well.. That being said it was still stronger than the East of the 2000's and 2010's
@@maxmx767 Cute attempt but HELL KNAW by the time Jordan began to break through in the East the competition was NOT the same as it had been in previous seasons, meaning those same teams you mentioned old asf or in the Pistons case expansion took there heart & soul from them can I intrest you in a guy named Rick Mahorn!! Fall my back my man!
The bulls played and beat way more 60 win teams than anyone. Magic Johnson hof
Drexler hof
Barkley hof
Payton kemp hof
Stockton malone hof.
Who the fk has lebron beaten... cake walks the east then gets lucky a few times to eek a series win in the finals 😂😂 has suffered more finals losses than he did wins 😂
Now I'm not a fan of lebron but you cant get lucky and come back from 3-1
Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, KG, Tim Duncan, Manu, Tony Park, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Durant. All will be in the HoF.
Funny this new day and age, there’s always a narrative and all these new criteria’s when it comes to winning. Micheal Jordan lead two different teams to 2 3PEATS with Scottie Pippen being the only other player for both 3 peats. But the topic is “who played hard teams” and lebron didn’t even win more. That’s madness.
Bruh... Who in jordans days could guard steph... Or durant ??? Or even klay at that much... Todays talent dominates. Jordans days. Not including magic and bird days...
Richard Saenz MJ , pippen , Gary Payton
@@richardsaenz6785 this is a straw man debating point.
• which rules are you going to play under? The 90's or current day?
This is relevant because now it's almost impossible to guard a player effectively on the perimeter. The spacing is ALSO key because in the 90's the game was played differently--> inside, out as opposed to outside in in today's perimeter oriented game. Also, the liberal dribbling rules allow for players like Steph to do what he does on the perimeter.
2) Era is ALSO important because in the 90's Steph wouldn't be ALLOWED to play like he does now. Coaches simply wouldn't allow it.
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I certainly understand that this generation looks as the range of players/spacing and how important it is to the game today and how it is played. In the 90"s Pippen and Jordan would be physical with Steph , guarding him from baseline to baseline. Hounding him and being physical. Keep in mind, the wide crossover, and many of the ball handling moves would be violations. Do you know how many times Allen Iverson was called for carrying. Lol
3) There's no context of who would beat whom with different rules and different styles of play
4) There are different skill sets, not necessarily better skill sets. Big men today, sure they generally have better range, but could they post up and display the footwork of the great centers of the past? Probably not...Not because they aren't capable, it's just a skill set that isn't practiced anymore.
Likewise, the bigs of the past weren't as proficient in their 3pt/outside shooting because they didn't practice or develop that skill set. The two reasons I just outlined, style of play and coaching.
@@richardsaenz6785 I'm gonna piggyback off @Mo Brown too. For Steph, plenty of people in the 90s could guard him since we saw Dellavedova guard him pretty effectively in the '15 Finals...and Delle wasn't some all-defensive stopper. He was just physical with Steph, and Steph didn't do as well. Curtis Jackson/Mahmoud Abdul Rauf is very, very similar to Steph. Great template for seeing how Steph would do in the 90's.
Klay is a LOT like Steph's father, Dell, since he's an all-time great catch and shoot player. You could even say Reggie Miller as both don't dribble a lot, and get shots mostly from off the ball movement. So, if you want to know how Klay would do in Jordan's day, use Dell/Miller as the template. Miller only if Klay had his own team. We don't know how Klay would do today with his own team cause he's never been in the situation to be the main scoring threat.
KD? KD would probably only be slowed a little bit at most from the physicality. He's an all-time great scorer, so it doesn't really matter the era, he's getting buckets...period. As far as other talent, the league itself has said over and over they changed the rules to SIGNIFICANTLY help perimeter players. It wasn't on accident, and continues to be mentioned year after year. The "talent" you see is simply the rules allowing players to have freedom to move, allowing more people to display their offensive talent. If you've ever played ball anywhere, you know the one guy who can cross his own shadow at will until someone (maybe a football player) starts being physical and playing hard defense. Then he whines like a bitch and calls foul every time he tries to score. In the 90's, no foul, and his "talent" wouldn't be as obvious. Now? He gets the foul and his talent seems special.
90s talent was more about physicality, 2010s talent is more for offense.
You guys pretty much summed it up.
The eastern conference in lebrons era was garbage
So was Jordan's wen he start winning
@@trip9755 learn how to spell and speak proper English then come debate me cornball
Jared Jones The East was so garbage but LeBron was the driving force every single series to get through the East... it’s not like he swept everyone lol... There were Game 6’s and 7’s in there brah... Then he goes to the Lakers and before LeBron gets hurt the Lakers were # 3 in the tough West.... 2nd season he gets AD and what seed is LeBron and the Lakers in the toughest conference in the NBA? Huh? The 1st seed. So miss me with all that!
@@trip9755 no it wasnt, in 1992 and 93 the bulls didnt even have the best record in the east.
Finally some analysts in the media bringing the FACTS!
Kd better than anybody jordan faced in the finals
Bron beat him
Jordan the goat
Facts is facts
@@dawnbee9904 Dont tell me you dont know who Magic Johnson is. + Lebron feasted in the weak East.
*All-Nba Player- 2018 LBJ"s era ( 2003/2018 ):*
*East- 58.*
*West- 147.*
Lets not forget that Joakim Noah was the last first team All-Nba Player ( 2014 ) besides Lebron before Giannis ( 2019 ). 2007 Cavs faced one team above .500 in East.
MJ in the East played against players like Shaquille O"Neal, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Charles Barkley,
Penny Hardaway, Reggie Miller, Joe Dumars, Kevin McHale, Dikembe Mutombo, Glen Rice, Larry Johnson,
Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Mark Price, Tim Hardaway......
Lebron James barely beat Rookie Jason Tatum ( age 19 ), Jalen Brown ( age 21 ), Al Horford, Ray Allen ( age 36 ), Kevin Garnett ( age 36 ), Paul Pierce ( age 34 ), Paul George ( age 22 ), Roy Hibbert, Victor Oladipo,
Myles Turner ( age 21 ) and Domantas Sabonis ( age 21 ). Lol.
@@dawnbee9904 it’s not KD it’s the KD warriors but bron lost to a lot more than that team
Facts is something Bron riders can't handle.
@@dawnbee9904on god
It’s not millennials for the most part. It’s largely these gen z’ers.
mrman3523 Thank you! Im 35 and i was very well aware of what a big deal Jordan was. How come nobody who was a kid watching Mickey Mantle is ever questioned about whether or not they really saw him? Theres 3 great eras in everyones sports watching life...the childhood wonderment, the next stars you look up to but with a better understanding, and your contemporaries - the stars youre around the same age as
I’m a gen z’er and another problem is a lot of us think we are the millennials
It’s like nobody I’m 20 and I don’t know many people that say Lebron is better than Jordan
I'm about to turn 35 and watch Mike when I was young. N I know the game very well. Lebron had to join superstars to win anything.
Once Lebron retires. There will be a list that comes out. The number of future HOF players lebron played with. It's up there. That will be his legacy. Along with losing 6 finals
Cris bosh wasn’t super start. He has one season of 43 winn in 7 years. Beside that
Teams do have more overall talent now then the 90s...
Facts only people who dont get that never played basketball
Jordan has the most overall talent and skill of any player of any era
Being more athletic doesn't make you better...Vince Carter has been able to play 20yrs, because of the rule changes. Not because he's more athletic at 40.
Jordan is the most athletic player ever in any era.
There was much more concentrated talent on the teams in the 80s. Think about it. The 7 expansion teams didnt exist. So you had all the basketball talent on 7 less teams, imagine how stacked all the teams would be now if you got rid of teams and the remaining teams got to draft out of those players
Lebron not even second in the GOAT conversation , Magic Johnson was a better player and more exciting player than Lebron James , Kobe is better player than Lebron ; Larry Bird better player , better shooter etc...
stop the craziness
Lebum record against 60+ win teams in the playoffs 3-4
Jordans record against 60+ win teams in the playoffs 7-2 these are the facts.
Cold hard facts
jc jordan How many of those 60+ teams that the Jordan’s Bulls defeated in the playoffs were the heavy favorites going into those series?
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You wanna know why those teams weren't the favorites?
Because MJ was on the other team.
Dats a paddlin When LeBron and the Heat beat the Spurs, what did the Spurs do the following year? The Spurs added more shooting to combat with Miami’s three point shooting....THEY ADJUSTED. That’s what great championship franchises do. Ok. When LeBron beat the 73-9 Warriors, what did the Warriors do? They cried to KD go join them... THEY ADJUSTED. Again that’s what championship teams do. Now with Jordan and the Bulls, what franchise ADJUSTED to Jordan’s Bulls back in the 90’s... Can you tell me?
br 1251 MJ alone was the reason why Bulls were the favorites right? Is that what your telling me? I mean Jordan was getting swept in the first round of the playoffs.. why was that lol
Joakim Noah was a defensive player of the year and an all star “good role player”
Your point is. Two against Three superstars and those two still gave em a hard time.
Kobe Bryant faced the toughest competition out of all... Every year in the west playoffs was a potential finals match with San Antonio, Dallas, Utah Jazz at the beginning, Sacramento Kings, Steve Nash's Suns, KG's Wolves, TMac's Rockets.... And all the young teams of OKC and Grizzlies... Not Jordan nor LeBron faced this kind of competition
God. Less you. Media hates Kobe cause of some thot in Colorado
Kobe easily had the easiest Finals compeititon of the three.
@@xaviervega468 I agree but almost all western conference match up was like a final...
No he didn't. Plus Shaq saved him.
@JooSon2 Shaq said he didn’t work hard because he knew Kobe was putting in the work. Shaq said he waited to get in shape til the season started cause Kobe was ready…. Y’all needa stop with this false narrative. Kobe without Shaq was more successful than Shaq without Kobe.
Hall of famers dont have rings because of MJ. Everyone got rings during Lebron's run
Charlie Parker everyone ate in the lebron era- rob Parker
Magic, Bird, Drexler, Hakeem, Isaiah Thomas, etc
I remember seeing all those teams the Bulls had to get past and the Knicks , Pacers , the Suns , the Trailbazers , the Jazz AND the Heat were strong ass teams that coulda won a Chip in ANY era!
Those teams were underachievers and definitely wouldn’t even sniff a championship in todays nba
One thing Jordan NEVER beat the depending champion with the best records.
People like Shannon, Nick Wright etc have done more damage to Lebron's image while comparing him with MJ.
folks today didnt know that John Starks was really good, Allan Houston was a phenomenal perimeter shooter
John Starks lol
Too short stop gassing.
LeBalco teamed up with his competitors instead of beating them because he couldn’t!!
Its great to see Lebron still chasing Jordan's shadow. More players should follow suit.
Lebron face better in the Finals, JORDAN face better in the EAST!
travis travis nope even those eastern conference teams were overrated the knicks with Ewing as the best player or Reggie and the pacers lol are you kidding me
You're saying bron faced better competition in the finals, because the teams he's playing in the finals are benefiting from today's rules that put a premium on offense over defense. And a league that has superior science and supplements. If you take all that away from the Warriors and drop them in the prison ball era, are they as great??? Steph curry would not be the greatest shooter of all time. The pressure of that era's defense and the brutality allowed, on top of the fact that he would HAVE TO PLAY BOTH ENDS, would exhaust his abilities and all of a sudden he's not taking all those 3s let alone hitting them. He would be less steph curry and closer to del curry.
Those Jazz teams have the All time #2 player in points & the #1 player in assist but MJ handled them in 6....twice...back to back years
Jordan at the age of 21, 22, 23, 24 had to play against two dynasties with 3 and 5 hall of famers in the eastern conference. Lebtich played in the weakest conference in the history of team sports. Je played against Roy Hibbert, and Lance Stevenson types.
Thank you. Facts and I'm a Pistons fan but I can't deny MJ greatness.
And jordan never beat them till they got old stupid.. lebron has played the team with the best record in the NBA then got KD.. and the spurs 2 historic teams.. what's your point..
@@trip9755 LeExcuses just keep coming! Whatever helps you sleep better!
trippy Mane Facts💯
Hey Buddy Who’s denying Jordan’s greatness lol... Jordan’s competition in the Finals were weak!
I’m 33 and I didnt need the last dance to show me MJ is the goat all you need to see is his highlights
Old dirk swept Kobe, beat KD, harden & Russ in 6 & the big 3 heat in 6..
A old Duncan was still🔥 but he also had Kawhi, Tony Parker & manu
@@russmcgruff216
2011 Thunder:
James Harden ( age 21 )
Serge Ibaka ( age 21 ),
Kevin Durant ( age 22 ),
Westbrook ( age 22 ),
Peja Stojakovic played vs the Lakers but in the Nba Finals he did not play vs Lebron James ( Injury )
2011 Nba Finals.
Dirk Nowitzki was the only star player in his team.
Dwyane Wade = 26- 7- 5, FG-56% But Lebron still lost evn with that help.
2014 Nba Finals.
Spurs: Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Manu ( age 36 ), Kawhi ( age 22 )
Tony Parker was the only star player in his team.
Kuz had to literally push LeBron to play defense..........🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤
People who wanna talk about who Jordan went against,never wanna talk about LeBron having the best team in the league for 6to to 7 yrs..Oh and btw has a losing rec..Not to mention the Celtics was far older then the Piston when LeBron won..The Celtics was in their mid 30s..The Piston was early 30s..
Really!!! Lebron James never played with Scottie Pippen for 8 years. Thats all i gotta say. Lebron James is his own system
@@johnscott2141 what kind of argument is that😂
@Dats a paddlin LeBron James fan 101,excuses..Again LeBron was the favorite to win the finals every yr in the beginning of the year..Yet he would not be favored by the end of the year..Not to mention he would not win the championship..Miss me with the excuses..
@@johnscott2141 My man,Pip was not a top five player when he came to the bulls..Wade was..Bosh was at least a top 15 player in the league..So please again stop with the excuses..
@@johnscott2141 no wonder he lost so much
the reason why the Bulls were always the favorite was because of MJ. the reason lebron was the underdog in most of his finals is because he's just not that good.
No. Jordan played better competition, and in the late 80s and early to mid 90s the Nba was waaaay more physical than it is now, these millennial players are softer than the stay puff marshmallow man.
This is a simple question: Ask yourself, which is the greatest Dream Team ever assembled with greatest superstars in the team. The answer is obvious, its the Dream Team in 92 and MJ destroy everyone and every players in that team agreed he was the greatest during those practice.
Barkley had a great Olympics as well.
the answer to that is completely subjective... unless the dream team played the redeem team and i didnt hear about it. Your opinion doesn’t make it fact
@ Bob,
So your going to ignore the fact that Bird and Magic we’re past their prime during the Dream team? Would Jordan have dominated the Dream Team players had Magic and Bird been in their prime? I don’t think so.
@@attainingknowledgeoftruth8348 Facts!
Bob shut the hell up, there is 2-3 hall of famers on a contending team these days. There was no super teams in the 90s besides the bulls.
Chris Broussard that 2011 Bulls team was really good. It wasn’t just “D Rose and a bunch of role players”. Carlos Boozer averaged 17 and 10 that year, Luol Deng averaged 17 and Joakim Noah averaged a double double along with great defence (for this era anyway). Don’t sleep on that 2011 Bulls team, even though that Heat team was undoubtedly STACKED.
You forced that. Dallas was so much better because dirk was Gawd mode and everybody else d’d up.
Spurs that beat Miami was the oldest team ever LOL they still beat LeBron arguments OVER bye bye!
Beat them 4-1
That was still a great team they had 4 HOFs dude. They also beat KD and Westbrook on there way to Labron in 2014.
Hall Of Famers faced in Playoffs
Jordan : 71 HOF
LeBron : 60 HOF
LeBron fans always say LeBron faced more Hall Of Famers in Finals without explaining that LeBron has been in 4 more Finals than Jordan, of course he will have faced more Hall Of Famers
but in total playoffs LeBron fans cant explain how LeBron has effectively played 5 MORE YEARS than Jordan yet faced fewer Hall Of Famers
you have to remember LeBron played in a notoriously weak East with no competition while Jordan had to go through Larry Bird Celtics, Isiah Thomas Pistons, Barkley 76ers, Reggie Miller Pacers, Dominique Hawks, the Hornets with Larry Johnson, and TWO teams that were touted as "the next great dynasty" after the Lakers and Celtics : the Cavaliers with Mark Price (All Star), Ron Harper (All Star), Brad Daugherty (All Star), Larry Nance (Slam Dunk Champ), and Hot Rod Williams and the Orlando Magic with Shaq, Penny, Horace Grant, Nick Anderson, and Dennis Scott who set three point record
Jordan never beat the Celtics in their prime. Or the Detroit in their prime
The Cavs were not that great. Reggie Miller and Barkley were not on great teams
youBoob who Jordan faces like that warriors team or that spurs team please tell me?
youBoob that would mean your wrong then depending how on how you are counting them. Since Steph, Klay, KD, green, and iggy aren’t yet in the hall of fame. But still it’s stupid to count it that way anyway. Me watching 90s, 2000s, and 2010s my eye test said Lebron had it harder. And also you must factor in Jordan’s first 3 years aren’t legitimate playoff births, so he never really deserved those playoff births because the East only had 11 teams and 8 teams made it.
@@mikeslemonade if you think LeBron had it harder you have no clue about the early 2000s rule changes
Jordan is the best player in the nba hardest toughest era
LeBron is the best player in the nba weakest softest era
The eastern conferences all suck when lebron was in the east
B4 the season was suspended his team was 1 in the West.
@@ogboruoyibo4304 lol, regularly season! I think the conversation is regarding the competition in the playoffs! There's a Davis factor as well. Kindly don't forget who leads that team in scoring!
@@ogboruoyibo4304 Let's thank Davis and the rest of the crew for that. Man was out of the playoffs the year prior
@@simple45679 he wasn't injured last year? Or are you missing something?
@@ogboruoyibo4304 Yes, and making the Finals in the West would have been very impressive. That's the point.
So bron fans saying old dirk, kidd and chandler and old duncan parker and manu was harder competition. 👌🏾
Spurs teams in 14 was better than any team Jordan ever faced. Don’t even mention the warriors....
@@koolaid14100 96 magic and 97-98 jazz were better than that spurs team. Also the 14 warriors were down 2-1 in Cleveland until the put igoudala in the lineup thus creating the death lineup. Sooo what you just said is already disproved. Try again
EmperorMeech that doesn’t even make sense lol. 96 magic aren’t better than the spurs your on crack. That team had 10 guys shoot 50% from the field in the playoffs the best ever. 4 HOFs and a HOF coach. How you can say two teams that never won a ring are better than the spurs is beyond me. Also, I’m pretty sure Kyrie and love being hurt was reason Cleveland lost first time.’bron took a bunch of bums 6 games then beat a 73-9 team the year afrer..try again.
@Brian G and got beat 4-1 the second time by and old spurs team
@@koolaid14100
2013 ECF:
23-years-old Paul George vs MVP Lebron James + ( Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen age 37 )
Still needed 7 games to beat the Pacers.
2012 ECF:
Celtics: Ray Allen ( age 36 ), Kevin Garnett ( age 36 ), Paul Pierce ( age 34 )
Still needed 7 games to beat the Celtics.
2018 ECF:
Celtics: Rookie Jason Tatum ( age 19 ), Jalen Brown ( age 21 )- This was his second season in the league. Al Horford was the only star player in his team.
Still needed 7 games to beat the Celtics.
Lebron overrated.
They say Lebron beat a Spurs team with Duncan on the decline, but he never reached 35 minutes per game after his 7th season. The year they beat the heat he had one of his top 7 seasons out of 19. You don't have to diminish every athlete to build up Jordan, his legacy is set in stone.
Im 36, I officially started following Jordan from the 1st championship.
Ahmad Brown Yep, same here. I vaguely remember them beating the Lakers in 91, but def the next two titles. I suppose it helps that I grew up in Chicago. Broussard kept saying “35 and under”. No man, it’s the people under the age of 30 who probably started understanding bball when Jordan was on the Wizards.
Josh Wright Ha ha whatya mean?
2013 ECF:
23-years-old Paul George vs MVP Lebron James + ( Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen age 37 )
Still needed 7 games to beat the Pacers.
James seems harder cause he didn't win as much. It doesn't mean his competition was harder, he just isn't as good as Jordan.
Preach!!
He didn't win as many finals cuz his teams were never as good as Jordans. The competition aspect of who they played can be debated, but no one can say Jordan played on better teams than Lebron. That's the bigger part of the argument.
@@shaamirhaneef that's not entirely true. Jordan beat more 60 win teams in the playoffs than anyone. Those teams Bron played in the east were weak and sometimes they were down 3-2. In Jordan era you lose the series 3-2 because it was best out of 5 until conference finals then it went to 7
They high is hell I’ll take mvp drose bulls over Ewing knicks
A rookie? FOH. He didn't have a mid range game and it single handledly ended them
Drose didn’t have mid range😂 foh that bulls team would had gotten a ring if it wasn’t for Miami and rose getting hurt
I remember these seasons vividly no one wants to have this debate with me
Lebron undoubtedly played against harder comp. Undoubtedly
MJ beat more 50 and 60 win teams then Lebron played. That's a fact.
@@62lceaser I agree. His playoff competition was decent but lebron's FINALS OPPONENTS were definitely better
MJ had tougher competition because it was simply a tougher era. Especially when MJ couldn't run to another team and team up with other elite Allstar players.
Tell me who from jordans competiton would want smoke with durant? Curry or kawii...or even duncan... Not a lebron fan... More a jordan fan if anything
True
The 90s had great players but they didnt all team up like they are now mike would have a tough time
@@richardsaenz6785 Steph is dell if he plays in a league that hand checks. I’m not even gonna start w KD y’all saw what a lil physicality did to his game
LeBron chased superstars and still lost more than he won, whats he like 3 for 8 in the finals cmon man he ain't that dude
I hate everytime they call the Thunder babies, but act like the Magic team Jordan beat weren't. The Thunder had more experience than that Magic team had. Cmon...
How?? That magic team went to the finals the previous year.
@@sanman501 Still babies. Babies can break through sometimes like Bron in 2007, but still way in over their heads. Bron got swept just like the Magic got swept by the Rockets. But why do we call them babies when Durant was in his 5th season, Russ in his 4th and Harden in his 3rd...but never call the Magic babies when Shaq was in his 4th season and Penny in his 3rd?
This is awesome! Great job guys & thank you! God bless.
Bro they said Patrick Ewing ova Prime Derrick rose WTF
Jordan Faced 4 Hall of famers in 86....... and gave them 63 what are ppl talk about
And lost
@@mg19cal by himself his 2nd year.
@@lancehood7916 still lost
@@mg19cal 4-6 in the finals with nothing but Superteams id rather be MJ
Fanboy handbook (Chapter 1- page 23... "Since we can't discredit MJ's skills and accomplishments we must discredit his competition."
lebron if he played at 90's he would ve been eliminated...jordan if he played now he would still be a god and even better
The only pass I give Lebron in the finals are the 2017 and 2018 Warriors. The four other finals losses are no excuse.
Leo Cease really? Not 2015? Not 2007?
@@ayoung3505 You're right I forgot about 2015. In 2007 yes the spurs were the better team however go back and look at Lebron's stats he was awful in that series.
No passes. Bron had handpicked superteams & the league office in his pocket. ESPN reported that he's had 74 DIFFERENT playoff teammates. 74! 😐. He has no excuse. Screw LeCoach. LeGM. LeBUM.
@@gb9719 Lol that's fair. KD def gave him the business.
@@ayoung3505 nope 2015 he was on a super team and lost by the largest margin in nba finals history....he didnt show up.