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- Earlier this year Ross Rapoport had the opportunity to spend a week in Volkswagen's latest turbocharged screamer the 2012 VW Golf R. The 4Motion all wheel drive system allows the power of the turbo 4-cylinder to get to the pavement.
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Host: Ross Rapoport
Vehicle: 2012 VW Golf R
Body: 4-door hatchback
Color: Tornado Red with Titan Black leather
Engine: 2.0 Liter turbocharged, inline 4-cylinder, direct injection
Engine output: 256 horsepower, 243 lbs-ft torque
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Drivetrain: 4-motion all wheel drive
Wheels: 18"
City: 19 MPG, Highway: 27 MPG
Warranty: Vehicle: 3 yr/36,000 miles, powertrain: 5 yr/60,000 miles
Price as tested: $36,860
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Hahaha, I simply love when Americans try to convince Eutopeans that automatic transmissions are more fun than manual. When die this happen? Last time i checked btw, it wasnt annoying using a manual in traffic..
Ross you need shorter pants
Kernal Beans Hahaha That's all I could look at during the last few minutes of this video. What the hell was going on there?
Yeah what the Fuck hahahahaahaha
8 years later still to long pants 🤦🤦
your shirt has buttons. use more of them
Haha lol
The golf is the benchmark among hot hatches and it'll probably remain to be the best
its an ok review. purpose of this car is for daily drive and track use once in a while. i think they got the daily part down but track use is limited due to the inability to fully turn off electronic assist. which was not mentioned on this review
I agree with Moby Dick. I went from a 2006 MkV GTI to a 2010 MkVI GTI and now a 2013 Golf R. I had DSG on the first GTI and opted for the 6 speed on the MkVI. I truly enjoyed the driving experience much more with the 6 speed manual. I could never get that "fun" drivers feeling with the DSG. I could also not justify spending the extra money for the R until I actually drove one. There's definitely a difference and the 6 speed manual is my choice to truly appreciate the R. I absolutely love it.
Hey Chuck, Pirelli driving shoes for Ross is an excellent investment with strong returns
I like that the biggest downfall, in his opinion, is that it doesn't come in DSG - to me that's what makes it even better. This car doesn't cater to the 'non-stick drivers', rather, it caters to the true car enthusiasts and we all know that they don't drive DSG!
It was too bad that the Fahrenheit only came in DSG because it made me not want the car.
I love the 'karo' seats
The R is slow stock... make sure you do yourself a favor and get that car tuned as soon as possible! Revo, GIAC, or APR, etc, etc... whatever you decide but get that thing tuned! You'll thank yourself later!
I'm APR Stage 2+ and it's definitely a fun platform to say the least! :)
love this channel. becoming one of my favs
Very commanding review, quite practical and fun. Keep it up!
DSG's suck its like driving a computer!!!
Dear lord, how can you expect to be taken seriously doing a car review in moccasins?
OMG that sounds EXACTLY like what you would say in a video! Amazing because lots of TH-cam/Television presenters are all happy-go-lucky on camera but have a completely different personality elsewhere:D
That DSG burp makes all the difference.
i think when vw releases the new golf r next year with 300+ horspower and it should be around the same price if not cheaper bc of the new mqb platform, it should be faster than the sti and evo
Great review as usual. This is the important stuff I needed to hear. Gti vs the price premium for this? Meh...
Yeah the WRX and STI are definitely harder-edged than this car. They also understeer more.
I'd probably get the STI as well, but the Golf is a better daily for most people IMO.
Can anybody comment on the comfort level index for a long highway drive?
Yea a DSG in a Golf R would be AMAZING! Everyone always says it's not a stick shift , so they turn their nose up at a DSG but that's because they never drove a DSG lol It's such a fast transmission! I've beat cars I shouldn't beat because of those super quick shifts :-)
i hate these kids on here who are dudes who act like they're the man just cause they can drive a manual...
Its all wheel drive and it stays all wherl drive
JEEZ 36k for that....you can find cars that are so much better for that much money. I was totally expecting 29k. No thanks, its pretty but not that pretty,
Manual, thanks VW!
This was an excellent review discussing information relevant to my questions.
Ross 1 big flaw on this review:
You mentioned that it was a track oriented car, but didn't mention it is NOT possible to turn Off the ESP.
No manual at home? Lost a couple of Kudos there! :p
Exactly. I'm so tired of shifting. leave a manual trans for your toy you leave in the garage for the week. Give me an auto/DSG for my DD, and possible weekend worrier.
good point, the base WRX is much better value all-around.
if you have people in your house that cant drive stick they shouldent be behind a car with over 250 HP if you want to lose 1 of your family members go ahead
why do you say that?
supaahflyy why wouldnt you?
I learned stick on an S4 and i was 16... It's pretty easy if your cautious and smart
Think you misspoke. The 2.0L engine is not larger than the GTI's, just more powerful and some internals are beefed up.
Love my Golf R. But instead of whining that it doesn't come in DSG, how about teaching your wife to drive a stick.
Bad move for VW to not offer the DSG in the US.
GORGEOUS state-of-the-art car with a long, respected pedigree (Rabbit/Golf platform), BUT way overpriced!!!
5.5 seconds for 0-60?? I would buy it if it could do that, but I think its more in mid to low 6's..
Its 271 hp
The mk5 r32 came in DSG and they didn't sell very well here that is why they offer the manual.
Ross doesn't read from cue cards. He's got all those words in his head. That's why he's awesome.
-Emme@RoadflyTV
It was in reply to my comment and came to my inbox, so I guess I felt a tad bit picked on. Since I have made comments that some have misconstrued as maligning the DSG in other places (it's a brilliant design, I simply prefer to stir the gears in my street and race cars) I felt the high beams pointed in my general direction. I don't need my degrees to read, Dah'lin, you weren't picking on those who complain about DSGs, you said "...they can drive a manual." The Golf R is a great car - THE END.
Charlie, thank you, Dah'lin, this Southern Belle hasn't been called a kid in 20 years! I'm sure you didn't mean to call me "dude" or "man". Just because a transmission is quicker does not make it the better option. MkV R32's were offered with only the DSG and VW coudn't sell them all; there were brand new 2008's still available in 2010. The MkIV R32's had only a manual transmission and sold out quickly. Virtually all 5,000 *manual* Golf R's are sold in the US - the gearheads have spoken!!
You just said it.... "soon we won't have any cars to learn how to drive manual with!" Companies choose to build these advanced transmissions b/c it works, it's faster than a manual, and everyone can drive it. But, is it for me and do I still refuse to purchase these cars? Dam right I refuse to own all the PDK Porsches, DCT GTR's, Ferrari's. Of course!!
I refuse to use a manual automatic because I like to be in control of my car and not the other way around.
Your telling us to learn to drive a manual yet you refuse to use a manual automatic thats very hypocritical
and soon we wont have any cars to learn how to drive manual with!!!
ferrari doesnt even offer manual anymore and porsche is one its way along with lamborghini. if a manual is supposed to be for drivers then why arent these great companies for driving not agreeing with you...?
Amigo,
The stability control system can be defeated it's been proven by the VW community, code was cracked last november! :)
And the 60-0 braking test is TERRIBLE mainly because of the all-season tires the VW Golf R sports. It's a quick fix as soon as you put on grippier tires that should of been on there in the first place! There's a reason the guys at CarandDriver did 3:14 on the Virginia International Raceway and an STi hatchback did it in 3:13.8. Pretty close, huh? ;)
Ross, the DSG only in the MkV R32 was the ONLY reason I kept my GTI VR6. With a proper manual only in the Golf R, I waved goodbye to my VR6 and am now thoroughly enjoying my 2012 Golf R 2dr. The STi and Evo are not options as I won't live with a common as dirt, boy-racer, Anime poster child car that's sorely lacking in comfort and quality. Since 100% of the R's torque can go to the rear wheels, it's better on the track, and the ESC is easily defeatable. Real women stir the gears!!
An "R" car that you can't take to the track because the stability control takes all the fun away, it stops from 60-0 in 126ft what a shame, at 3,300 lbs it's to heavy and one more thing, $37,000.00 ARE THEY NUTS! How about a Mustang GT 5.0 or a Camaro 1LE, 370Z, EVO X, STI or a Focus ST. I don't know but those are germans are smoking very bad GRASS....I recommend the review from Motor Trend with Sr. Lago. Much better review for us enthusiast.
Saludos Amigos.
Unprofessional comments of many so called pro car journalists.If sporty cars have no shifter they complain like hell in case they have they want automatic transmissions.
Sorry guys DSG( as others mentioned is available in the European version) is very good but I prefer manual at all times.
A general complaint is that you can't turn off the EPS, I agree that is a nightmare on the track.
it's kinda annoying-funny - in enthusiast mags and blogs everyone complains when cars don't come with manuals in the US. VW listens and creates an car directed to enthusiasts, and you complain it doesn't have an auto. i guess the OEMs will never win. you also mention that the DSG is quicker by a few tenths... is this really necessary off the race track? besides, why doesn't your wife just learn to drive a manual? the entire rest of the world outside the US can do it, so why can't she?
Golf R is for the person who wants to drive a cheap Audi TTS w/ extra space and a 6 speed. With an APR tune the Golf R can easily reach 300+ hp. Also living in AK where it snows and have icy rain the 4Motion/Quattro is worth it over the GTI. The Evo and STI are faster but faster is not always better. I'd sacrifice speed for the Golf R interior and amenities. Having max torque at 2400 RPMs also makes the Golf R a better daily driver compared to the the Evo/STI 4000 RPMs. That's my opinion.
I ran out of characters. The MS3 isn't even in this car's league. It's too boy-racerish and too unrefined. Its charms wear off after a while and you get tired of it...whereas the Golf R is the opposite. It doesn't knock your socks off at first, but after a while you realize how great it is.
For what it's worth, I tested the Golf R and the new 911 Carrera S back-to-back, and had just as much fun in the Golf, if not a little more so. It's that good.
The automatic would push it to $40000! Still funny that they don't offer it here considering we drive automatic much more than Europe does. They'll probably offer it early next year though How useful is the AWD system compared to the Evo or STI's setups?
Is it worth the $10000 price difference over the regular GTI, Mazdaspeed 3, or Focus ST?
VW's reliability still isn't convincing yet.
Why does VW insist on screwing up the ultimate Golf? The GTI VR6 understeered like a pig with FWD. The first R32 was only available with 3 doors. The second generation R32 constantly disappointed journalists and enthusiasts b/c it was only available with a DSG gearbox. The Golf R continues to offer only one gearbox (the correct one this time), and now the gloriously quirky VR6 engine has been replaced by a tweaked version of the GTI's engine.
Thanks man
So true! With a manual transmission you can't talk on the phone, text, shave, read, eat, play with the navigation system, stereo, infotainment system, etc. You actually have to pay attention to the road with a manual transmission - that's no fun!! With a DSG the car does all the work so you don't have to because after all, driving is a spectator sport and annoying.
I drive my manual transmission car every day. My "toys" also have manual transmissions. I've NEVER had a an automatic until 8 months ago, and it's a truck for my race cars. It's really hard to use your phone, text, drink, eat, use navigation, etc, basically BE DISTRACTED with a manual. So be nice to those of us driving manuals, we're actually paying attention!
1) ESC can be taken off through VAG-COM and is very simple to do
2) The reason its expensive is not totally due to power but to the quality of the interior and ride quality. If you want to only track the car sure go for the ones you mentioned. If you want it a DD the Golf R makes the cars you listed seem pathetic.
It's yesterday's news tomorrow, I guess, but I actually wen to trade my Mk5 GTI for Golf R and ended up leaving with my GTI instead. It's slightly confusing, the R. I liked it hell of a lot, it actually feels quite a bit quicker, and really well planted, surely more car than my GTI. But it doesn't feel as light-footed as a
I say that because the R is available in 2 or 4 door, so a 4 door R with DSG would've been perfect to replace both our cars with this one. My wife can drive stick, but with 2 kids and living in super hilly San Francisco it's not as practical as DSG. As for now I'll keep my R32 until the Scirocco R makes it stateside :P or the X-1 for that matter
Oh of curse, but the ones you mention are probably just carrying a kid or two, and of course the driver.
For people-carrying, vans are much better. But too many Americans are scared of the word "minivan". GM's full size SUV's are the same size as an Express on the outside but only about half the space inside.
Another great review, Ross. You do a great job. No nonsense, no bull. Thanks.
it may be boring but when you have a girlfriend or someone else wanting to drive the car and like the majority of america they cant drive manual its quiet a hastle and then it lowers the 0-60 time to the GTIs manual time of 6.5
its just not as fast, practical, or honestly fun
Whatever man! Stop complaining and learn how to drive a manual! ;) hahahahaha. Just Kidding! But come on... DSG is boring it's like driving a GTR no matter how fast it is it's still REALLY boring to drive and you don't feel connected at all to the driving experience.
@jinglebuddy sorry, I pressed a wrong key. What I meant to say was that the R doesn't feel quite as light-footed as a GTI, and the steering also doesn't feel as good, so to me it just wasn't as enjoyable. It looks like a great idea on paper, but it just left me cold.
Woah dont be hating on the Subaru twins, they get worse mileage cause they are enthusiest rally bred cars. The awd on the STI will smoke this system out. Its a nice car but I will loose a couple mpg for reliability, more driving thrill, and better bad weather ability. Subaru 4 Life!!!!
real drivers drive manual?? i've been driving a manual for years and i have to admit though it's fun at first when you first learn to drive one, it gets very annoying in traffic. and also the DSG is quicker so why would you not take that option??
DSG's, while very nice transmission, is only useful if you're on the track. Gaining an extra 0.5 seconds around the city is pointless and unnoticeable. You get a far more engaging experience with a manual transmission for daily driving.
Too late.........the new S3 has the E888 engine tuned by Audi and apparently consumes and average of 6.9l/100km........goes from 0-100 in about 5.1 secs dsg. No turbo lag, lighter and AWD.....a great benchmark for the new golf R MK7
I really like the Golf R, but for almost ten grand less i can get a Hyundai Gen Coupe or a Ford Focus ST that could beat or be just as good as this car. So sadly this car isnt on my list of cars unless i can get a used one for around 25k
Ross, what the hell are you talking about. The paddle shift gear box in that car would ruin it. It's an enthusiast car! And ure wife wouldn't be fit to drive that. Stick to driving a GTI and getting the paddles on it for ure wife!
Well Ross, any sedan you drive will give the person behind you LOTS of leg room! Are you reading from cue cards? How do you read from cue cards while driving? I am a huge VW fan, so I really like the Golf R package, all wheel drive and 256 HP, loving it...
Hey Ross it is really nice to see that you have your 'style' back..! And dude, please stop being concerned about being 'manly enough', my gosh man, I wish I looked so good on camera! Keep up the great reviews Ross!
Yeah since it was obviously wet out, I didn't bother to try. Didn't realize it until later. D'oh!
I have a manual at home (2009 Si 6MT+LSD), but haven't been able to get my wife interested enough in it.
Sweet!!! I'm APR Stage 2+ but I don't have a VAGCOM so I haven't deleted my ESC... I don't track or anything so it's pretty irrelevant for me right now. I spank muscle cars for fun! ;)
Agree that DSG is quicker than a manual, but to suggest that the car would be more than half a second quicker to 60 than your already overstated time of 5.5 seconds is ridiculous.
As Emme said, I don't use cue cards. I write the script the night before or the day of the shoot, then do a quick memorization while the camera guy sets up the shot or takes still photos.
Long awaited maybe but the price is a non-starter, especially with more reliable RWD choices now like the FRS and Subie. You can upgrade those cars and still come in under the GolfR price.
I would have bought it if it had a dsg I do a lot of city driving and stick isn't the most practical thing I did it for 2 years and. I got was very pissed lol. Freaking chicago lol
258 PS ??? Bei uns haben die 270 PS !!
das ist wo in europa es ist alles 271
Strange not giving the yanks the DSG gearbox? Even so it wouldn't do 0-60 in 4 seconds!! Best is about 5.5 to 62mph. I like this presenter though he covers all the bases
Almost $37k? eesh. I had considered this along with the Focus ST, but seeing pretty much the only difference is AWD, and costs $8-9k more, I don't think it's worth it.
you sound like a typical guy who've never driven a manual but go around telling people you do to make you sound like the man..all i said was the DSG is quicker
Rising Blue. APR stage 1, ESC delete. SOOOOO fun at the AutoX!! Puts a serious hurt on my Porsche friends ;-) They're really starting to hate my Dubs.
She works at Motor Trend now. She does a segment every Thursday called WOT, basically a weak weakly knockoff of FLD. Check out the channel motortrend
if he is referring to turbos as apposed to displacement than maybie but the r32 was not turbo ed so I assume he is referring to displacement
Automatic needs more horsepower to bring the same power on the street as the manual version. Think of shifting-managment and more weight
Really too much money to have to throw down on a small hatchback... It looks great, but no small car should have a price tag like that :P
you just cant get the DSG when you live in america. you should have mentioned that. germany, austria, netherlands and so on aree more lucky
i think there's a lot of rear leg room because the presenter is pretty short and the front seat is pulled forward quite a bit...
Totally agree with your final assessment about it not having the DSG tranny. I was poised to order one until I heard that.
I DONT HAVE MONEY TO BUY THIS CAR. MY SALARY NO GOOD ENOUGH. I WILL BUY WITH A LOAN VW UP. SO I WILL BE PART OF VW FAMILY.
What is the difference between the 1012 model and the previous golf R? Can you swish of the stability control on this one?
Awesome review! Very fun, yet objective.
Keep it up, Ross!
i didn't call you the kid...i said these people who complain about DSG's are the kids..go back and read the comments
doesn't surprise me that he has a lot of room in that car.. what car would be small for him other than a go cart?
No auto's because if you can't drive manual then get a golf.
yep, he is short, just like me. I don't mean any disrespect, a short guy calling a short guy short is funny.
3-door looks nicer. also, it needs to lose some weight and gain fuel efficiency as well as cost a little less.
Aaaaand U.S. get's shafted once again lol -_- something else i've recently wondered, for the mk5 R32, we ONLY got it in DSG and NOT manual. Did Europe get a manual version?
Br0chure yes
pretty sure gti is k03 turbo n golf r has the k04 stock? could be wrong but thats what I thought it was...
Strange that americans can´t order this with DSG. Since it seems to sell better then the manual in Europe.
Who the hell is Manuel? Spell check and proofreading are your friends. Especially when leaving a criticism.