Meat eater armed with an ARSENAL of anti-vegan arguments during campus debate
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In today’s video I debate Geoff, a student at the University of Arizona who has come prepared with an arsenal of anti-vegan arguments. We spend the next twenty minutes working through each one of his arguments against veganism, whittling them down one by one.
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It’s so interesting how, without necessarily realising, people have internalised a whole host of arguments against veganism without ever taking the time to actually substantiate them. Veganism is one of those issues which everyone has a set of beliefs around, yet so few people actually scrutinise their arguments or think about them deeply. Do you think Geoff will make changes?
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no, sorry. no. I feel entirely differently about it. Activism is not a career or a source of income. veganism needs activists who are motivated by integrity and dedication to the cause rather than self-interest @@FISHD0G747
99% of vegan debates is just convincing people to act on things they already believe! So awesome to see this guy connect the dots!
I fare better as a WF omni., so Ed is irrelevant.
@@Unmasking_Viandalismeed is 1000 times more relevant, and will accomplish more and inspire more people than you will ever in your life time. Comparing you to ed is like comparing feces to gold
@@Unmasking_ViandalismeIrrelevant to you. Seems like he is relevant to many other people.
@@Unmasking_Viandalisme 🤡 = you
@@MmartinL That Ed is relevant, to many, isn't a personal concern.
Keep doing your thing Vegan Jesus
My thought exactly
Although the real Jesus probably looked far more arab. If he did in fact exist.
I wish I could debate like Ed. With his calm demeanour gently guiding the meat eater down the rabbit hole. The vegan community are so grateful for having an advocate like him.
if he ever snaps Ed might eat the carnist to save other animals...
Vegan Jesus...That is all.
Hahaha. Exactly my feeling every time I watch his videos. I was like, how can he stay so cool hearing these same dumb arguments over and over again. 🙂
Ed is a looooooooooooooooooooooooser 😊
@@donolonisa5787 thank you for proving again that carnism rots the brain you argumentless barbarian
Earthling Ed is the best vegan activist IMO. His calm demeanor and effective communication skills make him above and beyond anyone else at effectively communicating the philosophy. I would like to see him explore the foundation principles of the moral argument for veganism more though. Defining those principles will help him connect with others from different walks of life better who hold those same foundational principles in other aspects of their life.
Ed is definitely the best, 'Natalie Fulton' and 'Debug your brain' are also really good in their outreach. It's worth checking them out if you haven't already
Also "the victims Perspektive" on YT
Ed is a looooooooooooooooooooooooser 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think this guy was respectful and listen really well
Great job, Ed! Thanks so much for leading the charge!
Most plant consumption doesn’t kill plants. Fruits, nuts, and seeds are a symbiotic relationship between plants and animals… and grains and beans are seasonal plants that complete their natural life cycles before being harvested and resowed.
It’s so nice to see this. I had my first conversation yesterday where it felt like the opposing side was truly understanding vegan logic. Props to you my friend, keep up the good work🙌🏽🌞🌿🧚🏽♂️
Great conversation Jeff and Ed
Fish: guy has never watch much TH-cam on people interacting in a friendly way with friendly fish?
Let's see if the king of the Ocean 🦈 can become Vegan 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“But at the same time… [completely contradictory argument to what he just conceded]”
It’s so interesting for me to see how most people cannot articulate their beliefs and worldview when asked simple questions.
I love how Ed lets them say their lazy shit, and then smashes them with common sense.
I wonder how many of these interviews per day you can make. I admire your patience, especially because, if anyone would watch 3 of your videos, all the questions will be answered. It's the same topic over and over again.
Have you ever heard an argument or a question that actually surprised you?
Yes I think he was caught off guard by “red meat gives you bloodlust and humans need bloodlust to pass their engineering classes and to stop a communist invasion”
That went very well! I ended up liking the guy more than I thought I would. He seemed open to adjusting his views as he gained more info and he seems to agree with the moral arguments for veganism. I believe he’ll make changes accordingly, either soon or eventually.
YOU DID IT ED, YOU CHANGED HIM BY PLANTING A SEED. LETS GOOOO
Planting a seed 😂😂😂😂 far out
@@rondarkman. bro seemed pretty receptive by the end of it! I’m not gonna cap!
@ZENJUTSUU
I'd be willing to bet the night he gets home he will have consumed animal products
@@rondarkman. i feel like you’re misunderstanding what I mean by planting a seed. but it’s cool haha. I don’t expect people to transition from such a big chnge overnight. that’s for sure
Trying to switch to plant based diet while being 24 and not knowing how to cook. Transition time will be needed but I’ll go for it
Potential future vegan… this guy is switched on and honest enough to understand the negative impacts
bit annoyed that i’ve just discovered you rather than at a time i could catch up because if i had the time to watch all of your videos i would. keep up the great, informative content.
Splendid work as always, Ed!
Did he just say that most animals are carnivores? Nope, majority are herbivores in fact, more than 70%. Just like we are.
The king of the ocean 🦈
The king of the Jungle 🦁
The king of the sky's 🦅
All the kings 👑 of the animal kingdom don't give a FU*******K 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕 on Veganism 😉
11:30 look at this guy trying to educate Earthling Ed on what's going on in the Animal Agriculture... Makes me laugh so hard. Ed is awesome at making them feel good about themselves, tickling their stupid egos.
Ed is also a looooooooooooooooooooooooser 😊
takes on to know one you clown!!!!! hahahahaha @@donolonisa5787
Do the US Meat / Dairy / Egg industries forbid veganism from being discussed / debated on national television in the US? Maybe with his new book, Ed can get interviewed on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN. FOX? Probably not.
Yeah, but…..
Yes, I agree but….
But
But
But
But
Why is it that the use of "it happens with animals, it's ok for humans" argument gets used, depending on the argument it's called out as a bad argument. When the tables are flipped, it's a valid point. I. E. The point made here just because "animals do it doesn't mean we should" (paraphrasing here) but if you try to argue when being gay isn't ok the "animal kingdom" gets brought up to try and say see it happens there so it's natural.
Pick a lane is what I am saying here.
I would love to debate this guy on it, although I'm sure it would be a waste of time.
felt bad for him when he was stuttering and struggling to defend himself. hopefully he does some soul-searching after this conversation and has the courage to live according to what he evidently agrees with
He's been raised under the boot-machine... it's moral because he doesn't see the money issue around his mailybinstead of him. Butchor for money taking over.
Aw bless him. He really tried to justify himself didn’t he !
Ed looks like he's about to play an entire Alice In Chains cover set.
I'm vegan. But I felt like Ed was using his arguments to get Geoff to convert. It takes more than a convincing argument to get someone to transition from animal products to plant base. It is a process that takes time and self reflection and a level of self awareness. At the end I felt a Jehova's witness vibe in how Ed kept goading. I thought it sufficient that Ed presented his pro vegan arguments and just l leave Geoff with issues to think about. But then, in the conclusion, when the self promotion kicked in, with Ed's "resources", which I'm sure will include his books, made me cringe.
Yeah, imagine asking people to question why their beliefs don't align with their actions.
Hello ,
What do Albert Einstein , Leonardo Da Vinci and Ed Winters have in common ? They are all Geniuses, Vegan and Human(e) !
Even after all this logical discussion, the human conditioning ( this kid) is so profound 🧐!!
Love your work Ed ❤
Take care 🌱
The best part was when he tried to convince you that we would effect the ecosystem negatively if we stop eating animals. 🥴 I mean, how many examples do you need that we effect the ecosystem negatively BECAUSE OF EATING ANIMALS? And he also named stop eating fish as an example and quickly recognizes that it's more of an example to be vegan. 😅
The intense health/pleasure benefits mean meat will be on the menu if possible. Maybe in the future we will clone it directly instead of raising animals, as if it was a plant of some sort. We do that for skin grafts already I think? In any case, even if it was really really bad for you (which it isn´t) the fact that it´s so intensely pleasurable makes it unthinkable to let go of it. It is FAR from being the most indulgent tradition we will defend (with violence if necessary). Compassion for animals plays on the scale, but for most people it plays very very little. My mom loooooves animals with a burning passion, but won´t give up meat, not in a million years. I would chose another cause to live your life around, honestly. Also, vegetarianism is effeminate/lame/really gay.
Hey there, vegans!
Gather round in a group
Gonna teach you how to make
Bridish Table Soup
It's a very wholesome meal
And the price is a steal
So I really 'wanna' keep you
All in the loop
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First fry up some onion in a Sunflower oil
See it fizzle-crackle as it's
Brung to the boil
Once the onion be see-through
Then you turn off the hob
This is gonna be a real good delicious one
Prob
(Reprisal of the absolutely enthralling, steady drumbeat)
Add the carrot and the parsnip
And potato too
Root for them like they're roots
''Cause' this is our crew
Add black pepper
The next step, er?
And that's right
Mixed herbs
Double up the quantities
That's our proverb. Sss 😂!
Then we 'gonna' into this
More flavour knock
We gonna brew tri-ple strength
Low-salt
Vegetable stock
Dump it all in with the onion
Thirty minutes on the clock
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Serve with crusty bread
And a ve-gan spread
And the flavour that you savour
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But don't drop out the side order
Too any degree
A full-bodied, rich leaved
Hot pot of tea
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Maybe then
You'll all need
Some good long naps
But don't forget the fire-grown
Ginger snaps
Procrastinate
About cleaning pan and plate
We doing that
At a later hour or date perhaps.
(Short silence followed by the punctuation of the drumbeat)
I showed you vegans
Sumptuous Bridish Table Soup
This comment's for the algorithm
So you're in the loop
And I'll add this remark
Before you're too brisk
Try this recipe
At your own risk.
Ed is awesome!
Even free range organic chicken farming has proven to be linked to river erosion. The demand for meat is perhaps the most ecologically damaging factor. Excessive growth of corn to feed cows, cows shouldn’t be eating corn to such an extent, leads to mono farming which takes over our landscapes and impacts the soil and our general environment to such an extent it will turn European grasslands into deserts, should we continue.
Edd I’m not vegan but you are a very good debater and have valid points
Why are you not vegan?
I would describe myself as flex-atarian, I wouldn’t rule vegan out but I’m not their yet
Melanie Joy encourages people to be 'as vegan as they can be'. While the traditional definition of veganism refers to 'practicability', it could be argued that there are different 'levels' of veganism, depending on effort. An organic vegan, for example, could be considered more vegan than someone who puts little or no effort into this option. What do you think?
The supply chain exists in nature too, grass is delivered to the lion in antelope packaging.
Back in 2017 Watching videos of: slaughter houses, you, and Sorsha(In her more hardcore days) is a major part of what got me to Vegan when I did.
I will never understand how plants have feelings but fish don’t
Edit: come on y’all ur smarter than this..
When we get injured, our pain receptors release neurotransmitters. These neurotransmitters then transmit a signal to the thalamus (part of the brain). The thalamus then sends that signal to other areas of the brain to be processed. Once the brain has received and interpreted this signal, the brain sends a “personalized pain signal” (simplest way to describe it) back to the nerves-It is *only now* that you will feel pain.
*You’re brain is what creates the sensation of pain.* Everything else simply gives your brain information so that your brain can decide when, where, and how intense you should feel the pain.
Saying plants can feel pain is like saying plants can have kidney stones. You need a brain to feel pain, and you need kidneys to have kidney stones.
Not to mention that they also need to be sentient in order to *experience* pain. There is absolutely no reason to believe plants are any more sentient than my skin is. And honestly sentience is what really matters, the ability to feel pain is just an added reason why hurting animals is double fxcked up.
Right?! 😆 🤣
😂
That’s not really their argument; if plants have feelings then vegans are hypocrites. Never mind that mammals are infinitely closer in their experience to that of humans, and can feel orders of magnitude more pain compared to plants, no matter how you look at it. As long as vegans are wrong, meat eaters are morally justified to do whatever the hell they want in their own eyes.
I mean isn’t it obvious didn’t your grass tell you good morning today?
exactly !
Ed turned me vegan overnight 3 years ago and this has been one of best choices I ever took
My girlfriend followed me also and we are so happy , super succesfull and incredibly healthy.
In some decades we will be disgusted at what we did to animals and the planet to make the lobbies happy..
Bless you Ed
That's tight. ✌🏾✌🏾
Good for you 👏
Same here! My husband and I went vegan overnight thanks to Ed and Joey C!👏😊👍♥️
Ed was instrumental in my decision to go vegan, and recently my wife followed me into veganism !
Ed is an amazing human being
@@TyeMorrisVlog Here here! He's the best vegan advocate!😊👏👍
I think we should give the guy some credit. Most of the times, people with a hundred anti-vegan arguments do not listen and agree with Ed as this guy did. I was expecting him to keep going with his arguments and finish the debate thinking he was right all along. Yet, he ended agreeing with Ed which was quite refreshing.
Hope he is able to take the next step and go vegan!! Masterclass as usual from Ed.
I agree, he actually took time to debate. I'm hoping he'll think more about it after the conversation and some who think he's right will see his reasons to eat animals aren't really all that logical. 🤔
I think he deserves a lot of credit for the way that he assimilated the arguments and reached a conclusion. I doubt that he possesses the moral fortitude at this time of his life to actually be vegan as this means going against his family and peer group who presumably all eat animals and always will. But he has the potential because, like me, he is so appalled at the way animals are treated by the billion and you simply cannot buy any animal products in the grocery stores without knowing that you are funding and tacitly supporting that treatment.
Giving up animal products is actually surprisingly easy when you remind yourself why you are doing it. The only problem to overcome is those social occasions and our meat eating culture. But it is slowly becoming easier to be vegan even in a backwards conservative (with a small c) State in Australia where I live.
@@robsengahay5614 I agree, he deserves a lot of credit for that, and I'd go even further; I think you underestimate his moral fortitude. I think he seems very capable of going vegan despite what his social group thinks or does. Not saying it'll be easy, but he seems to already fully see the moral inconsistencies of eating animals. That's the hardest part, to not be vegan once you've made the connections.
I wish more people would leave replies like this instead of bashing the intervewee. I'm sure if this guy is even remotely thinking about veganism, he's found this comment section. It would be so much better if the comments were about his willingness to listen as opposed to how "dumb" all of his arguments were. 90% of us had the same arguments before we thought them through.
@@Mike-hn7vc Exactly. He already seems to be open and considering it, being petulant about how "dumb" his arguments were is beating a dead horse.
I liked this guy. He heard, he debated.. when doubts are cleared. He opted in for vegan. Intially it would be tough.
But when going get tough, tough get going
Exactly. I was Jeff at one point as many of us were. He seems open to the idea of going vegan and it seems like he's making the step in the right direction.
Ed your candor and empathy is amazing. I dabbled in veganism for a while until I found your videos. After listening to the way you explain the argument for veganism, I felt so empowered to make the change completely. 2+ years now and haven't looked back. Thank you for all you do!
Every minute animals were getting slaughtered across the globe as Shitty Veganism is flushing down the Toilet bowl 🚽
That's awesome!
This guy is definitely someone who would go vegan but unfortunately, I think his fear of not fitting in with friends and family will prevent him from not going vegan...this is the conundrum for many, many potential vegans.
Going Vegan didn't prevent deliiiiiiiiiiiiciouuuuuuuuus steak 🥩🥩🥩🥩🥩🥩🥩🥩🥩 from appearing on my dinner plate 😊
@@donolonisa5787 I don't get your comment🤔
@@prettynoose888 Because you're blind, and cannot see how across the globe Animals were getting slaughtered every minute 😉
Agreed; people will tell me to my face that they "can't " do it because friends and family 🙄 and they don't understand how I can keep being vegan ... it is sad actually
@@sylvaingilbert6296 Shows you have a much stronger personality.🙂
"The only argument there is against veganism, is that you just don't give a sh**"
Yep. "I don't care if I torture and kill animals for my entertainment. I don't care if I die in my 50's with one leg because it got amputated from diabetes. I don't care if I'm feeding my children poison. I don't care about the lives of humans who die from zoonotic diseases or antibiotic resistance. I don't care I'm destroying the planet. I don't care all the animals I'm eating a diseased AF and were legally fed cannibalism and plastic and growth hormones. All I care about is bacon cheeseburgers."
I mean, damn. That seems like a lot of effort to care THAT little but some people somehow managed it.
Yes, Mr. Edward “Winters” Gaunt’s understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶
The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals” shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩
Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT ban animal agriculture!
“I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”.
Mr. Ed Gaunt, So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐
th-cam.com/video/Sl5GpxLXnuI/w-d-xo.html
Go to the 8:15 mark.
@@TheWorldTeacher You do know you can embed a time stamp in the link, right? Also, whether someone is pro-choice has nothing to do with veganism. And he said RIGHT NOW wouldn't be a good time to ban animal agriculture. Know why? Because reactive meatflakes would probably riot and cause more violence. Also, our politicians are bought and paid for and would never ban it anyway.
This is the most true comment I’ve read in TH-cam
Even that argument doesn't hold water because, on closer inspection, they do care about things, whether that's the environment or cruelty to their own pets. Just a lot of cognitive dissonance and willful ignorance, that's all I can come up with.
"Does a pig have to be killed for us to come together?" Exactly! Ridiculous to kill to be social.
@@rondarkman.why are you always in the comment section here.. your comments are cringe and immature. wouldn’t be surprised if you’re a 12 year old boy who never even cooked a meal.
'The cows are destroying the world' - that sentence made me so sad. People blame these innocent creatures yet again, instead of looking in the mirror and their plate and going 'mmm, it's ME! I have the power to change me, the power to change the world'.
So true.
Eat kangaroo instead
@@rondarkman. Your whole account consists of nothing but attempts to trigger vegans. It’s like you fantasize about our reactions to when you say vaguely anti-vegan shit. What traumas have you had to endure to end up like this?
Or are you paid by the meat industry?
I’m honestly baffled bc ur not the only one I’ve seen.
Cows aren't innocent. Cows will eat animals too if given the opportunity.
If all carnivores are gone, the planet would collapse as the massive increase of herbivores would deplete all the plants and the herbivores would die afterwards and since no plants, no vegans either! And also th-cam.com/users/shorts6zyaapwWPcs?feature=share
The "plants have feelings" one is always so hilarious.
Agreed 😂😂😂
Nope, because we can't actually know whether they have feelings, we only guess they don't because they don't have human facial expressions or vocalizations to express feelings if they have them
@@nightblade4713 But animals do have expressions and body language. So we definitely know that they have feelings and are conscious beings. Plants really don't , there are multiple studies that show that plants lack consciousness.
@nightblade4713 So, you don't think a central nervous system is necessary for intelligence? Or that intelligence required for processing the experience of pain?
@@nightblade4713could you perhaps watch the video and learn a thing or two?
This conversation seems particularly good for sharing with others. Thanks!
There’s no humane way to kill an animal that doesn’t want to die
And the sky is blue...
Everything that lives has some kind of drive to stay alive.
Say's a Herbivore, that pooped 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩 at the first sight of a Carnivore BEHEMOTH 🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾
What if we aborted their fetuses and ate them instead?
Yeah I know the pesticide holocaust is inhumane
only carnivore argument: "Mmm meat so good! U mad vegan??".. same as conservatives, only strategy is "look how horrible of a person I'm being, are you triggered??"
lions do not distinguish between piglets, chicken, calf, lamb or puppy dogs.
I know a lady who's brother was eaten by a lion.
Ed my god you are good - "do you agree with the fact that you moral and values are already in alignment with veganisme" - fantastic
No matter how many of these conversations we watch, non-vegan arguments all fit the same criteria. They are unoriginal, been debunked a million times, and make you sound like a psychopath when you use the logic on humans. Stop trying to find a reason to keep doing the wrong thing. There is no excuse for unnecessarily harming animals.
It's just tiring...
"But I bet you haven't thought about this argument, vegans!"
Yes, yes we have, we've encountered that a lot.
People somehow don't seem to realise that most vegans were not raised that way nor enthusiastically jumped into it but had to be convinced ourselves.
Well said ❤
@@alisiademi ❤️
There’s no excuse for unnecessarily harming plants either.
@@denizkenger52 Plants don't have a nervous system...
Thank you so much for everything you do Ed. You're genuinely a hero. I can't express how grateful I am toward you for your sensitive compassion, indefatigability, integrity and dignity, all for the animals above all else, but even for humanity and our world. For all that you have achieved and taught over the years, you're an extremely important individual and one of the very best. May God bless you. Vegan forever ✊💚
Yes, Mr. Edward “Winters” Gaunt’s understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶
The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals” shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩
Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT ban animal agriculture!
“I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”.
Mr. Ed Gaunt, So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐
th-cam.com/video/Sl5GpxLXnuI/w-d-xo.html
Go to the 8:15 mark.
😂😂😂😂
After being vegan for 3 years I just don’t understand why people keep using the wild animal comparison as an excuse. We aren’t wild!
Just because we don't live outside, and most have nice apartments means we aren’t wild? Look at wars, and how many people we slaughtered.
@@keepernod2888 In this context "wild" refers to our everyday lives and the options we have through the structures we built. You are not wild - you shop at a supermarket.
Fish have longer attention spans than most people walking around checking their text messages every 3 seconds. Pufferfish create beautiful and intricate works of art on ocean floors that most humans could only hope to duplicate. If this guy can read a book, I'd suggest "What a Fish Knows" by Jonathan Balcombe.
And they are delicious
But first, let's see if The King 👑 of the ocean 🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈can become Vegan 😊
"If this guy can read a book" Did you have to be so condescending?
@@rondarkman.so funny and edgy . imagine receiving so little attention in your real life you have to get off on trolling on youtube comments. here’s the validation you so clearly are desperate for :)
@db1996
Wow just wow are you are ok? Stating fish are delicious is not trolling or being edge, it's just stat a fact.
Calm down would you
Im confused about which one of the two is advocating for veganism now
They both make good points for veganism 😂
Perfect!
Summary of every interview with Earthling Ed:
1. Person uses some dumb argument
2. Ed cooly and calmly debunks said argument
3. Person uses some dumb argument
4. Ed cooly and calmly debunks said argument
Repeat until end of interview.
Ed kindly says goodbye to person who spent the entire interview making up ludicrous and untenable arguments against veganism
So true, as soon as I realised every argument i had to eat animals fell apart with his logic, I couldn't justify it anymore
Ed tried to summarize the Jeff's argument into "we can base our morality on the actions of wild animals" which was a strawman of his argument. What Jeff said was that there was nothing inherently immoral about eating meat given the fact that many creatures prey on others for sustenance and that humans once did as well.
It seems like a summary of Ed interviewing people should be:
1. Person makes an unsophisticated argument.
2. Ed strawman's their argument and then attacks it.
3. Person doesn't defend their position because Ed moves on to another argument.
@@BennettMats How is it a straw man when you literally described the same exact argument one sentence later in your post?
@@BennettMatshis summary isn't a strawman, it is literally the correct summary
@@pascalschmierer3035Jeff never said that we can get our morality from the animal kingdom. Only that eating meat was natural for human beings.
Damn, it’s been a while since I’ve heard the argument about the teeth we have 🤣
Muh canines tho
Ed, I honestly think you are one of the best debaters on youtube: I feel like your audience would greatly benefit from a YT video on how to approach these conversations. Too often, people lose arguments / support because of their approach to conversations rather than their actual points. Cheers
YES
Based on the title, I thought this guy was going to infuriate me lol, but honestly, he seemed very open-minded and it was a great, productive discussion! I was pleasantly surprised.
Ed is a living hero, just his patience and empathy alone is legendary. I really believe if he keeps going he will be remembered in the history books for a being a special human being who changed the world
Yeah, Alexander The Great, Julius Caesar, Ghenghis khan, Napoleon Bonaparte and The Vegetarian Austrian painter try to rule the world with their ideologies as the rule of law, by looking at Ed the only thing that he would change, was this 💩🚽🧻
Yes❤❤❤❤
The farming industry has really brainwashed a lot of people hasn’t it
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 95% of food advertising, marketing, commercials are all animal industry associated. You’ve been marketed animal products for 100 years.
How's that brainwashing 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@donolonisa5787People are brainwashed to think that the animals are happy with their circumstances. If it wasn't for people like Ed, nobody would know any different.
@@irish_deconstruction People have been eating animal meat products for billions of years before Vegan's like Ed in disposal diapers that pooped 💩 a lot where born yesterday 😉
@@donolonisa5787 It's exactly brainwashing. Smiling happy cows on milk bottles, anyone?
This is really the debate equivalent to throwing shit at a wall until it sticks.
and the wall was teflon
This guy was pretty informed about the issues about environmental destruction, factory farming, etc. compared to the most of the society. He is thinker. I find him pretty open minded.
I hope he makes the leap to quit a bad habit that has been ingrained in us since our childhood and by traditions.
Jeff was thoughtful and honest, and I wish him success in finding out how great plant-based options are. Jeff may read these comments so to anyone who posts, let’s be encouraging and show some vegan💚
Well i liked this guy, he didn't at the start realise he was already in a vegan mindset but he was guided skilfully by Ed to that conclusion. I'm hopeful he will act now. Good debate with an intelligent guy.
Seems like a cool guy, he was pretty open for discussion.
Ahhh yes the appeal to nature fallacy to begin with. This is going to be a good one 😁
He kept using it over and over again, but I think he understood why it was illogical at the end
imagine sitting down unknowingly with the GOAT of animal ethics conversations haha. love whenever you upload these. Thanks ed, my partner and you were the two who convinced me to go vegan and i am so happy i am.
Vegan goat? How does THAT work 🤔
@@unlimitedhangout5 lol
@unlimitedhangout5 goats are vegan yes?
@pacmanmcgavin7034 this "conman" is advocating for things we genuinely believe in. And doing do in a way that is good reasonable conversation. Argue the points, not the person.
I always wonder if any of these people have any idea of what they are getting into when they sit down to talk with Ed. Like, do they expect an easy, heated debate that they are going to win? I'm guessing most don't expect to be listened to and spoken to with such calm and kindness.
Also, I wish he would announce when he's going to be in Phoenix! I'd love to meet him
He expresses himself well. I hope the seed has been planted and will grow. It was a very fluid chat, and Ed as usual, uses positive wording throughout.
Brilliant
Great conversation. It takes courage to question our beliefs. #veganforever
Vegan beliefs = 💩
I think Geoff seemed like a very intelligent and nice guy. Much more educated than I was before going vegan in certain questions raised here. He had some arguments that needed to be debated. But he listened to Eds counter arguments and seemed to take what Ed said seriously. We shouldn’t call his arguments ”dumb” as I see some people write here. Remember like 95% of all not-yet-pro-vegans come equipped with similar arguments. It’s not because they’re dumb, it’s because they are taught to believe these things since childhood as well as through constant indoctrination campaigns from the animal-industry. Before having the great fortune of stumbeling upon a legend like Ed who challenges your unquestioned beliefs and can help you connect the dots, how is a non-vegan supposed to find the right way? It needs to be prompted. It won’t happen automatically. Please, let’s all help keep the vegan community nice and welcoming, so that people will feel compelled to join and be willing to associate themselves with being ”vegan”. This is the way 🤓😊🖖😎🚀
👍 Plant based for the environment, whole food plant based for health, vegan for the victims.
I don't think so 😉
Thank you as always Ed. I don't think I've seen someone else with the ability to so succinctly describe the arguments of veganism in a calm and descriptive manner. You helped me become vegan 2 years ago and I'm glad you still are helping countless others make the switch.
Helping countless others didn't stop animal slaughter across the globe 😊
@@donolonisa5787
If you're (chronologically- speaking), an adult,
-then do you actually NEED for the (meaning) of the saying,
"The 'perfect', is the enemy of the 'good'",
-to be explained to you?
-Unless perfection is possible, right-outa the starting gate, just triumphantly point to THAT fact, as excuse to do NOTHING...(?)
-Really?.. REALLY?!
"Closedmindedness and LACK of good-faith research, are the world's chief 'laborsaving- devices'."
Ooooh vegan bingo! Hang on, I’ll go get me card.
I filled out my Carnist Bingo card with Geoff's talking points, but Ed masterfully peeled away those layers to reveal how Geoff really feels, which is how most people actually feel, once their talking points crumble and fall to pieces
Meh I still enjoy delicious animals play bingo all you want😂😂😂
Ed, thank you for everything you do. You're a continuing source of inspiration for so many, and you're catalyzing real change for the benefit of all animals.
ED is a real professor at debating.
A looooooooooooooooooooooooser professor 😊
With college students everyone is lmao
The kid seems very knowledgeable about the animal agriculture industry. Great conversation. Hope he makes the switch.
Hope 8 billion Carnist across the globe make the switch 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I've been an imperfect vegan for years. As of mid-July, I've been absolutely on it. I've lost 15-20 pounds. My body has much lower body fat. I've never looked so lean and cut. My energy levels have been incredible. Everyone doesn't believe me when I tell them how old I am. I never have to worry about getting food poisoning from bad poultry. I'm not consuming growth hormones and antibiotics through my food. I'm sure my hormones are the most balanced they've ever been.
A lot of long term vegans I know look very young 😊
People say it to me also. My face gets washed in the shower and that is it. No creams, clensers foaming lotions etc etc. I don't use anything. 😂
If more folks called it like you do "an imperfect vegan" we'd have way less suffering. But because people are dogmatic, purist, and really not in it for the animals/environment, typical (eat and don't think) folks don't even give it a try or worse, hate on it ceaselessly. Gratitude.
We're gonna need a bigger bingo board
Hi internet, hi @ed.winters,
first off, i basically agree with all the arguments made by Ed and for now i would consider myself an opportunistic "carrion eater" if that makes sense. I dont support the exploitation of animals for food products, but i would eat leftovers. That being said, i have a long standing struggle with the following train of thoughts:
Our diet causes arguebly the most suffering to other beings, but there is a lot of other products we use and behaviour we exhibit which down the line causes massive suffering to other beings as well. One could indeed ask for example whether it would cause more harm to consume an animal product like honey or using the public transportation system to get to the grocercy store. While considering a couple of those comparisons i came along a decision which arguebly is the most impactful in terms of reducing suffering: having children. Even if i assume the best case scenario (my child would make choices to reduce suffering it causes) it would still be another human which at least needs to be sustained. I guess everyone has their own imagination of what the worst case would look like ...
In conclusion: would it not be morally imperative to not have children, if you can manage to do it? Of course there is the argument, that ones actions could prevent more harm, then the harm oneself causes - but i would argue that the likelihood of that statement to turn out to be true for a child is very low, if we took an unbiased look around. At the same time though it seems to be the only chance we have as a species.
I would love to hear your thoughts about this Ed ❤
What a great conversation. A great exchange in ideas. Ed is amazing and I appreciate how he helps people connect the dots. Please keep spreading the word. I'm on board!❤👍
I just became a patreon member!Thank you for all your hard work, Ed! The way you carry yourself when discussing Veganism is just amazing. Keep going!
The transition to a vegan world probably will be gradual…that said, as vegans, we want that transition to happen as quickly as possible …so let’s say Earthling Ed and other prominent vegans are on tv every day and the transition happens over months instead of years…sure, there will be a question of what do we do with all the animals in slaughterhouses…but I rather us be having that conversation then letting animals get slaughtered by the billions every year
8 billion non vegans in 2023 the world's never going vegan .. cope
@@rondarkman.
Vegans have logic and ethics on our side…but maybe you’re right, perhaps the world doesn’t go vegan…if that’s the case, it’ll be because people will value the taste of an animal over that animal’s life and happiness…a non-vegan humanity will also be worsening the problems of new pandemics, climate change, and antibiotic resistance
Every minute, animals were getting slaughtered across the globe 😊
@@vietnamd0820 just logic and ethics will never sway people. You have to do practical propaganda with a clear positive vision of the future, where there is no hunger and everyone is always satiated. The ethical argument will come along and will serve as a post-factum conclusion. By preaching moral superiority of veganism and compassion towards non-humans (which have been used by food industry for millennia and is mostly culturally acceptable) you will never appeal to other people, only to that minority that feels good by recognizing their moral stance. Open your eyes and realize that veganism is a political struggle and has to be treated by you vegans as such. Otherwise it will be only perceived as a religious cult
@@TheYellowBlueWhite
Earthling Ed seems to be effective with logic and ethics …but I’d be open to any ideas that get to a vegan world most quickly
Why would humans 'starve to death' if everyone didn't eat meat? Is Ed dead then? Some people just don't think before they speak.
Great work as always, Ed! Really like this guy. He admitted the flaws in his arguments, didn't desperately try to come up with more and more excuses and sounded like he already knew some things about these issues.
I love how non-judgemental and civil you approach debates. You are able to make people question their own actions/morals without making them feel like you're judging them. That approach has undoubtedly helped you convince people who other activists could not.
He was already halfway there. Knew a lot of facts. Hates factory farming. ❤
Ed brings it, yet again! 🥰
Yes, Mr. Edward “Winters” Gaunt’s understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶
The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals” shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩
Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT ban animal agriculture!
“I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”.
Mr. Ed Gaunt, So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐
th-cam.com/video/Sl5GpxLXnuI/w-d-xo.html
Go to the 8:15 mark.
March 2020, fell on games changers, what the health and then on earthling Ed asking if taste is more important than life... It clicked.. vegan overnight! ❤
Time to grab our anti-vegan bingo cards
I really appreciate the calm and candor of the arguments laid out here by Ed. I am not a vegan. I spent a year as a vegetarian and another year as a pescetarian before coming back to meat (unimportant, but context for my experience). I grew up on a small cattle ranch and have seen the capacity for cruelty in the industry, which led me to try out the alternative eating habits.
I personally have no moral objection with consuming other organisms for sustenance, but I am really intrigued by this channel and will continue to learn and educate myself on the subject. I just wanted to say this channel is very interesting and I hope you keep engaging the public and challenging societal standards to improve the world around us. Much love man!
Much love back-atcha, Shane.. May we all keep learning and growing, and resisting all brainwashing intended to have us arbitrarily limit our circle of compassion.. 😊
Interesting that Ed didn't choose to state that plants aren't sentient. I've been down that rabbit hole too many times and you'll find plenty of dipshits who will argue plant sentience, so it's interesting to see Ed updated his kung fu to say plants are just less capable of suffering. I'll follow suit.
You're a magician, Vegan Jesus! You really made him turn around. Great conversation, from both ends.