I have one ship. A Cutlass. Now we have reached an inflection point; hovering between one thing or the other. Between this *bold move* and CitizenCon 2023. Either they're slapping the last of the money out of their customers's pockets... Or they're about to release Squadron 42. It's one or the other. 2:50 Fair point
What I find really sketchy with this sale is that they didn't even offer an CCU upgrade so people who don't want to melt their game package have to buy the ship full price instead and are forced into the Warbond if you want more than 6 months insurance (granted LTI is overrated and overhyped anyway but still, its 300 bucks come on). Even the Vanduul Glaive which is even more expensive and limited always comes with an CCU option so atleast you can use an LTI token on that one to upgrade from. Would have loved to upgrade my RSI Scorpius on my physical game package to the F8C but CIG had other plans.
CCU's are lame, nobody in their right mind follows that nonsense path. If your that strapped for cash go play Starfield, the ships are shit, but cheap as chips. Stay away from Star Citizen, its not for you.
CCU's are not lame. Don't worry I passed the 2500 usd mark a long time ago. I am sure a lot of people would like to melt some of their ships to get the F8C @@davewills6121
It’s just another ship sale. No one in the West is buying into their bs anymore so they are coming up with creative ways to grab money. Nothing special about it.
look at it this way, once they sold enough of them and the light fighter pvp crowd complained enough on spectrum about it they inevitably nerf it into oblivion (see Ares Ion/Inferno) and will eventually patch it up again to a useful and enjoyable state at which point you probably hopefully should have access to it.
I have been able to stick to my purchase rule. "Will I use it in game more than a STV or my game package ship a C8R (an upgrade of the Cutter, both purchased and upgrade with a discount at IAE). In this case no. It is a big sexy power beast of a heavy fighter, but my main game loops are not bounties and pvp so I may be shielded in that regard.
Familiar train of thought there. Pisces C8X for me, but same consideration. I do bounty hunt and I love how the F8 flies. I was kinda close to buying it, but three things stopped me: the price, the near certainty that they will nerf it after sale and the total lack of exclusivity in finding 6 golden tickets one hour in.
Excited to see the f8 coming in, i feel like its a great sign for the development progress in the near future. Unfortunately now that the vorpx work-around is back up ill be getting a vr set instead of the f8, next year maybe o7
I'm almost Wing Commander in concierge - so almost F8. When I started backing SC, we had a hanger and a promise. I loved the project and so slowly over the years have bought ships 'n stuff. I have always wanted a space game that I could "live in" - SC is it. I don't look at my funding and think value = ships; I look at my funding as that, funding a game that is going to revolutionise scifi games - I'm helping to pay wages tech etc. All ships will be available to buy in game eventually; us early backers have a bit of an advantage to star with sure, but we are also paying for it!
Honestly i ended up just melting my single seat fighter and my Nova Tank and got the 6 month store credit one so i pretty much just replaced the single seat fighter, you cant upgrade or gift the ship and once you have got one of the 2 options it then disappears from the store anyways, since we dont even know what insurance will be most likely components and weapons you swap and probably insurance will be buyable in game in the future having 1 smaller ship without LTI isnt going to hurt honestly.
I always look forward to your videos cos theyre always well put together, but you also have the best takes. As someone who found the game rather late (maybe 2 or 3 years ago) and can't invest the money cos not only are the ships at a higher price point now than they were before, i also battle the exchange rate too (crys in australian) so a lot of the game can feel locked out and pay to win/advantage. Having these little events i feel are a great idea to close the gap or even enough to allow me and what i assume are a multidude of other people, a way to experience other gameplay.
I swapped the cannons to gatlings so there’s a projectile speed match between the two groupings and find it is working quite well. I tried full energy build but find it takes too much of a toll for the capacitor.
I still say they should have left it as a s42 requirement. Plenty of games give rewards for playing the campaign. Not to mention the absurd pricing of the ship rn 260 for a ship they promised would be available for free in game is a pretty scummy move
As a $10K backer with a "free" F8C I really don't mind that everyone get the option to get the ship early (with LTI), but this is basically a ship sale for the F8C. I have to say that it surprised me. They won't manage to do it again. Even if they get in a few extra $$ on this one I unfortunately don't think this one will serve them (and us) in the end.
That's exactly what it is. I got the pass in 15 minutes. Luckily I was able to melt a ship and get it for "free". But I can only see this as CIG trying to squeeze a quick 300 dollars out of alot of players.
Would love to know how you got the loadout to work in Arena Commander, i just spent 30 minutes tearing my hair out as to why it's not putting me in the match with my saved loadout.
It's nice to see a non-panic button discussion of the controversy of this ship. Is it unfortunate they changed their mind? Yeah. Are they allowed to change their mind? Also yeah. This isn't the first time they have done so, nor will it be the last. All in all it's a good promotion and a fair structure for what the ship is. Now, the fact their store system is setup in such a way that we cannot CCU from one of our existing ships into it is wholly uncalled for and as big of an issue as the sunk cost anyone who has upgraded a referral bonus craft is. That part is just greed on their end and uncalled for.
@@TexanTemplar we all know that in the face of a gun you would first wet yourself, and then say whatever was demanded - because it’s a bloody gun you moron.
Hey again didnt realize i follow you! nice fight in the ship man would be cool to make our own 890 jump scenarios of our own with dif ships. Anyway nice battle and keep the vids coming.
If they get a proper reputation system running and a decent mission chain where success in both unlock this. Better yet, you then need to stay clean so no CrimeStat or they take it away until you regain the reputation...
Yeah a proper mission chain where you have to track someone holding a license down with a big bit of pew pew would be perfect! Not sure I can deal with never having a cs though - accidents happen 😂
@@LoudGuns in the QA they said that you will still unlock it through Squadron 42 though, so unless that is dropping anytime soon I doubt we will see it at ingame ship dealers in the near(ish) future.
My point is that they also sent me an email saying “last chance to buy a Perseus” then put it on sale 6 months later. I would be extremely surprised if they don’t sell it again.
melted my MSR for this ship, they sold me on how the rental felt and sounded lol. fomo is still a thing, if you dont buy the ship by nov 7 its gone until squadron 42
That's a really cool ship! So I have to get a golden ticket to even have the ship appear in the pledge store? Guess I really need to just look around the game again, havent played it in a long while because of the really bad patches released by CIG. Hopefully someone would just hand me one so I can just get the thing from the store XD
As much as you say "no one spends $10k for a heavy fighter" no but after getting space marshal lvl I saw the next LVL the F8c and it is like some many other people thing a GREAT looking ship and I wanted it. so I may have more easy to spend cash on ships as I am heading to the F8c ( which stopped this year completely ) but when this golden ticket ( which I found hard to find many bunkers missions on my own didnt find one loads of guns ammo and meds armour and stuff great. but no golden ticket) in chat a player said they had some, I said nice and then he offered me one for free :) I jumped at the chance . Now I have one yes in my hanger too LOL its not as good at time to kill as other ships ( Scorpius ) IMO but the looks out weigh it by far. also love the Scorpius too that X wing is for life along with the Glaive and the Sabre. the point is I will not get to the $10k now for sure as All the ships I want I have and I am even thinking of melting the likes of the Crucible and Liberator as I dont think they will be in game for years and I would like the E1 ,C1, SRV. which I may just get in game or use the melted ships. I am not a big grinder player I just like flying the ships and the looks I will be happy making enough to pay for fuel and ammo with repairs and Insurance pay outs food and drink. along with helping others out like picking some up thats stuck or someone need a gunner what ever . this is the hardest thing with your ORG as you ask for a role I dont have a role I just want to play with people that like ships if they need some one to help when they are mining then great I'll be a fighter pilot or get in a prospector or their mole to help. I may not be the best pilot or the best minor or salvager I just want to have fun the money side is extra
So I been supporting Star Citizen since 2013. I saved money to buy my first ship in 2017. I fell in love with the game and started saving money again. At the last IAE, I had enough to get what I wanted and found out that at the end of my spending, I had spent enough to get the F8. There are more ships I want, and I know there is more ship to come. So I'm going to save more money for the future.
I hit the 10K last year, mostly by doing grey market trading on the early years. I don't mind F8C become a common ship but I feel like something has been taken from me. I would have appreciated a compensation, as a skin or a variant cosmetic hull. That for sure changed something for me, I won't give any more money to the game after this. Fact is I love to fund the project and get something cool in return, and now I feel like I can't trust CIG marketing anymore.
"now I feel like I can't trust CIG marketing anymore" LOL. Do you mean "and now I trust CIG marketing even less"?? Looks like on ehell of a ship though.
I like it too, it's like they took a Scorpius or Hurricane and downsized the firepower a little bit for single pilot use. But it is super expensive to maintain if you do take damage.
I dont agree on your pay to win argument. The f8c is not OP. Its only areing against light fighters. But that is the role of the ship. Against larger it wont cut it. Also once it will got to live all will ve rebalanced again.
been here sense 2018 & i didnt even spend 1k on the game yet, but the fact that you had to spend 10k for this fighter in the past, and after all that people still didnt get their fighter for YEARS because it wasn't in game was a crime. im GLAD that people who spent the 10k finally get their fighter. if someone spent 10k. give them their freaking fighter come on.. why wasnt this released way sooner! i hope the S42 campaign reward changes to the F8A with LTI.. but idk.. we dont even know if the ship you get from that will be LTI or not. and idk if S42 will even be out in the next 5-10 years.. we have already waiting 11 years and were still waiting with no release OR EVEN DEMO in sight. lets get real here people.
I don't see it black or white, I think it's fine they entice you to at least sometimes spend a little bit of money again. After all the funding can't be maintained by just getting new players. The ships may not be "just a little bit of money", but you can easily let it boil down to that if you melt or upgrade your ship for something that is just a little bit more money.
O I figured. It out ! Star citizen is giving FOMO for ciz con this year . Now people can play with a pressure buy situation , that’s what games are about practicing for life . (Practice your enjoyment And relaxation - diligently )
I'm not too heavily cynical about the sale because the tickets are so easy to get, if you want one (and can afford it), you can get one. And it's a fun excuse to actually play the game. They struck the balance well as the most soloable heavy fighter, it's gorgeous and super fun. Honestly the bigger fact is it's basically almost everyone's 'endgame' pure fighter unless you like alien stuff, so just selling it means the end of that journey.
The crying in the concierge forums has been real. For some reason people thought they'd be the only people that get one. CIG never said they wouldn't be for sale, or that it would be a wing commander reward only.
maybe when they put in a real bounty hunting guild that you can talk and interact with they could make the F8 earnable at the highest tier bounties as a purchasable ship, or for free if you do some made up server wide PvE bounty mission where there's a chance you could get a free one
This ship is one day going to be more common than the gladius, especially when 42 releases. I would never be able to make 10k sound sensible for any video game. Much better things to spend money on that are tangible. Like guns! Hard pass ty.
Ships this large without an interior make no sense to me, I'd take the Vanguard instead any day. At least the Ares and Eclipse have the excuse that their respective weapons are comically large. For me though this lacks a second seat, bed, showershitter, and anywhere to put plushies, it's not for me.
I like your reasoning, I am just curious why not conceptualise other ships as those for plushies, bed and other amenities? With fighters I feel a lesser requirement for interior space than with other ships.
@@Spelljammer1 I suppose it depends on how long we're expected to spend in the ship. If there's no interior we should assume a pilot would only spend a short amount of time in the fighter, so it would be dependent on a support crew on a carrier or home base. Something like the Vanguard however could spend a considerable length of time without support for the crew. So I guess they're for different things.
Game is so broken I can’t even get the rental, they should have never released this ship and should stick to their promises we shouldn’t be accepting CIG’s decision as much as we are
@@LoudGuns I don’t see how a pay2win argument can be made about people playing SQ42 to get the ship when they are currently selling the ship for $300 and sell other ships which will most certainly hold superiority over other ships for 100s if not 1000s of dollars
I think it’s opportunistic, and did require compromising on previous comms. Realistically CIG haven’t done as well this year as last - partly cost of living I guess but also problems of their own making with the 3.18 SS. Financially though a worse year doesn’t equal a worrying year, and just based on their numbers until now they’re not in financial trouble that I can see.
Why in the fuck would they go under? They made ridiculous amounts of money. It's just that Star Citizen is now 10 years old, and they're releasing a fighter people have been eagerly waiting for for ages...
While having a "new" shiny ship to fly in is cool, this event for me represents the complete loss of integrity of CIG. How can you trust anything they say anymore?
When it came to selling ships / release dates / feature timelines I simply took an approach of “seeing is believing”. Realistically, in my professional life there are things I said I wouldn’t do 8 years ago that I have done (nothing morally dubious I hasten to add) 😂
I think the advantage is it’s an MMO not a MOBA - so it’s ok for some ships to just be better than others. The limiting factor should be price (by which I mean credits and rep not $).
Personally Im no fan of this ship and the current event. And the comparison to the vulture does not work imo. If only a select 1000 people or so we're able to have this ship as a reward for their support- I'm fine. But this is a fighter that outclasses every other dogfighter out there. And how can a ship with S2 components and tons of firepower be even faster then a small fighter? The balance is completely off and now everybody can buy it... Either serious nerf has to come or it's pay to win. Especially since it won't just take one Patch until it's buyable ingame...only the platinum part of the event would've been better. But less money for cig.... Sry for venting
How desperate for cash and hype must CIG be to take the pinnacle reward, the long-touted carrot at the end of SQ42 and the premier reward that high-level concierge members look forward to, and pump them into the PU like this? This is the pacifier they're shoving in everyone's mouths to preemptively muffle the outcry of a lackluster CitizenCon. If they announce a Squadron release date at CitizenCon, I'll come back here and eat crow. The event itself is a cool design, but doing it with the F8C is such a godawfully tacky and brazenly shyster move.
I don't get why people are saying the F8C is overpowered, it really isn't. Here are some comparison of similar ships in its same class, and the Ion which is basically the same size. F8C - 3.4k Burst DPS, 36/33/176 Pitch/Yaw/Roll, 20k Shield HP, 46k Hull HP Warden - 3.7k Burst DPS (All Laser Cannons), 32/32/120 Pitch/Yaw/Roll, 20k Shield HP, 42k Hull HP Ares Ion - 3.85k Burst DPS, 30/30/115 Pitch/Yaw/Roll, 20k Shield HP, 30k Hull HP As you can see, it really isn't that OP when you compare it to other ships in it's class. The only OP thing about it is it's insane top speed which likely isn't intentional and was just a placeholder for when it was still an NPC ship, so that will definitely be lowered.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's OP, but (even just based on your numbers) it's stronger than the Vanguard (176 vs 120 on roll is pretty significant). I'd also be interested to know where your numbers are from on dps? Erkul has the F8C as 1251 dps / 960 alpha vs the Warden at 1124 / 760 (when you exclude the turret weapons to make it a like for like). In terms of dps the Ion wins out 2663 / 2100 but that would rely on you hitting your target. I like how the Ion is now better balanced but it's not going to hit a good Gladius pilot. Similarly the gimble mix on the F8C to my mind leaves it superior to the Warden.
The numbers are from Erkul, I used Burst DPS for all of them, but for Sustained DPS the difference is still pretty similar. I do agree that even with those numbers it is still slightly better, but not OP as I've heard others say. The roll and SCM/top speed are pretty high compared to other heavy fighters, but I'm almost 90% sure that those stats are just remnants from when it was a NPC ship so they'll probably get lowered in the future. The thing that makes the F8C so strong against light-fighters is it's fast accel and high top speed, which lets it heal shields and reset the fight, that's only currently though, when Master Modes comes into the game, the F8C will lose that advantage.
The difference is the F8C is a heavy fighter and the gladius is a light fighter, the F8C is fast yes, the F8C rolls really good but its still not got the best turn rate on a fighter so im sure a light fighter with a pilot who knows what hes doing can take the F8C on for sure.
Tbh the whole flight model (and damage model) still feels janky and trash lol. I cant see how anyone enjoys any ship. Other than maybe low flying. Hope master modes helps, was hard to tell really cuz whenever i got on AC for MM testing nobody else was around lol. I dont like elite dangerous as an overall game, but flight and combat feel so much better there. Maybe its just preference.. xD
Omg! Star Citizen isn't pay to win. If the was the case the Scorpius would be top dog not the Gladius. Or everyone would be flying around in 890s. If you are loosing you need to practice more. Throughout the years I've been playing I've seen Hornets bested by Aroras, Sabers destroyed by Mustangs.
The industrious lads and ladettes of frontier have a strong holding with teamwork while having fun. If I remember correctly. Please have everyone record because I'm pretty sure the FPS lads can do the heavy lifting if they have the support of your industrious flight crews. How many Platinum tickets. Can you lot grab together and then drop into your discord lottery or something like that? You probably won't need to schedule an event 😋 I look forward to seeing the edit on whichever channel you put it on. Please make it happen. Thanks to you and your fun-loving friends, please continue having an excellent day. PS yay Yay YAY !!! To 100 person servers losing its collective minds in the ice cream shop of This Ludacris space game 🪐
As a longtime backer who has put a lot of cash into SC over the years, it's nice to get to fly the F8. The ship is given to us for free at certain backing levels and to complain that now 'everyone' can get one is pretty pathetic. You are right in saying that the real backers are those that want to see the game made, those who are backing so they can show how much disposal income they have are just sad excuses for human beings and indicative of much that is wrong about the world we currently live in.
The self control comment hit hard as I look at my hangar.
same here, 21y.o. that was some fast de-aging
I just need to get Sly to write my scripts every week.
@@LoudGuns bet
I just took my self control out behind the shed a put a bullet in the back of its head.
I have one ship. A Cutlass.
Now we have reached an inflection point; hovering between one thing or the other.
Between this *bold move* and CitizenCon 2023.
Either they're slapping the last of the money out of their customers's pockets...
Or they're about to release Squadron 42.
It's one or the other.
2:50 Fair point
What I find really sketchy with this sale is that they didn't even offer an CCU upgrade so people who don't want to melt their game package have to buy the ship full price instead and are forced into the Warbond if you want more than 6 months insurance (granted LTI is overrated and overhyped anyway but still, its 300 bucks come on). Even the Vanduul Glaive which is even more expensive and limited always comes with an CCU option so atleast you can use an LTI token on that one to upgrade from. Would have loved to upgrade my RSI Scorpius on my physical game package to the F8C but CIG had other plans.
Exactly, and this is the reason why, despite really liking the ship, I won’t be buying one at this point.
It should be ccu
The first "Pay to Win" ship in Star Citizen.
CCU's are lame, nobody in their right mind follows that nonsense path. If your that strapped for cash go play Starfield, the ships are shit, but cheap as chips. Stay away from Star Citizen, its not for you.
CCU's are not lame. Don't worry I passed the 2500 usd mark a long time ago. I am sure a lot of people would like to melt some of their ships to get the F8C @@davewills6121
Nice video and the Issues List and your perspective was pretty spot on
I love loud guns
the anti fomo part was well apreciated
CIG mentioned that once you have the golden ticket, it's available in the pledge store until early November.
It’s just another ship sale. No one in the West is buying into their bs anymore so they are coming up with creative ways to grab money. Nothing special about it.
Always looked forward to getting access to this as a reward for finishing SQ42. Hope I'm not sick of seeing them around before I even get my own.
look at it this way, once they sold enough of them and the light fighter pvp crowd complained enough on spectrum about it they inevitably nerf it into oblivion (see Ares Ion/Inferno) and will eventually patch it up again to a useful and enjoyable state at which point you probably hopefully should have access to it.
@@BizzMRKthis guy gets it
"Get back to enjoying my poor decision making" is a great line!
😂 thank you, I believe in standing by my bad decisions
i found a golden ticket, wallet in hand, saw the price, and was like fuck that.
I have been able to stick to my purchase rule. "Will I use it in game more than a STV or my game package ship a C8R (an upgrade of the Cutter, both purchased and upgrade with a discount at IAE). In this case no. It is a big sexy power beast of a heavy fighter, but my main game loops are not bounties and pvp so I may be shielded in that regard.
Familiar train of thought there. Pisces C8X for me, but same consideration. I do bounty hunt and I love how the F8 flies. I was kinda close to buying it, but three things stopped me: the price, the near certainty that they will nerf it after sale and the total lack of exclusivity in finding 6 golden tickets one hour in.
Excited to see the f8 coming in, i feel like its a great sign for the development progress in the near future. Unfortunately now that the vorpx work-around is back up ill be getting a vr set instead of the f8, next year maybe o7
I'm almost Wing Commander in concierge - so almost F8. When I started backing SC, we had a hanger and a promise. I loved the project and so slowly over the years have bought ships 'n stuff. I have always wanted a space game that I could "live in" - SC is it. I don't look at my funding and think value = ships; I look at my funding as that, funding a game that is going to revolutionise scifi games - I'm helping to pay wages tech etc. All ships will be available to buy in game eventually; us early backers have a bit of an advantage to star with sure, but we are also paying for it!
THX for the info. Yes CIG is good at PR schrmes to make $$. Also it was easy to find a gold ticket, I just have not used mine yet. Great video....
Honestly i ended up just melting my single seat fighter and my Nova Tank and got the 6 month store credit one so i pretty much just replaced the single seat fighter, you cant upgrade or gift the ship and once you have got one of the 2 options it then disappears from the store anyways, since we dont even know what insurance will be most likely components and weapons you swap and probably insurance will be buyable in game in the future having 1 smaller ship without LTI isnt going to hurt honestly.
I too have gone with the store credit version, imo if I can’t afford to insure my fighter I’m doing something wrong in game.
I always look forward to your videos cos theyre always well put together, but you also have the best takes. As someone who found the game rather late (maybe 2 or 3 years ago) and can't invest the money cos not only are the ships at a higher price point now than they were before, i also battle the exchange rate too (crys in australian) so a lot of the game can feel locked out and pay to win/advantage. Having these little events i feel are a great idea to close the gap or even enough to allow me and what i assume are a multidude of other people, a way to experience other gameplay.
can you explain the insurance stuff? The warbond version has lifetime insurance so what does that give you?
just got mine after about 2 days !! did about 100 bunker missions.. zip nada.. did a retrieve box misson.. got it right away!
I swapped the cannons to gatlings so there’s a projectile speed match between the two groupings and find it is working quite well. I tried full energy build but find it takes too much of a toll for the capacitor.
I still say they should have left it as a s42 requirement. Plenty of games give rewards for playing the campaign. Not to mention the absurd pricing of the ship rn 260 for a ship they promised would be available for free in game is a pretty scummy move
As a $10K backer with a "free" F8C I really don't mind that everyone get the option to get the ship early (with LTI), but this is basically a ship sale for the F8C.
I have to say that it surprised me. They won't manage to do it again. Even if they get in a few extra $$ on this one I unfortunately don't think this one will serve them (and us) in the end.
It certainly serves the ones who have 300 bucks to spend on a ship they *really* want, but not 10000
That's exactly what it is. I got the pass in 15 minutes. Luckily I was able to melt a ship and get it for "free". But I can only see this as CIG trying to squeeze a quick 300 dollars out of alot of players.
Would love to know how you got the loadout to work in Arena Commander, i just spent 30 minutes tearing my hair out as to why it's not putting me in the match with my saved loadout.
Haven’t played in nearly 4 months. This smacked me down hard… addiction or obsession?
A little column A a little column B?
It's nice to see a non-panic button discussion of the controversy of this ship. Is it unfortunate they changed their mind? Yeah. Are they allowed to change their mind? Also yeah. This isn't the first time they have done so, nor will it be the last. All in all it's a good promotion and a fair structure for what the ship is.
Now, the fact their store system is setup in such a way that we cannot CCU from one of our existing ships into it is wholly uncalled for and as big of an issue as the sunk cost anyone who has upgraded a referral bonus craft is. That part is just greed on their end and uncalled for.
I hit that 10k point in 2018, supporting the game well worth it and not to earn a heavy fighter.
Good on ya (p.s. thank you for funding my game for me). That’s the view of 99.9% of backers who’ve gone that deep I reckon.
I’d be embarrassed to admit you wasted that much. Good on you. Takes guts.
@VonKrieg you could have a gun on me and wouldn't get that out of me, lol.
@@G0oNi.E spoken like a true edgelord.
@@TexanTemplar we all know that in the face of a gun you would first wet yourself, and then say whatever was demanded - because it’s a bloody gun you moron.
Ok I bought, how am I gonna carry it around? It doesn't fit in the Polaris from my understanding (XS landing pad vs S ship)
It’s thinking like that that gets you into trouble at IAE
@@LoudGuns looool… i know… shit
ugh i just finished a bunker mission and didnt check any of the bodies im just an idiot
been helping people in the verse to get their tickets
Hey again didnt realize i follow you! nice fight in the ship man would be cool to make our own 890 jump scenarios of our own with dif ships. Anyway nice battle and keep the vids coming.
That was so much fun mate, honestly had my heart pounding and a smile on my face the whole time 👍
The one time I have no PC, this event drops. 😔
The event Is up now
Got a Vanguard with BUKs, can wait until I get this after Sq 42.
I found a gold ticket in my first bunker. I was expecting them to be more rare.
Not really understanding, so I buy it for 300$ and only get to use it for 24hrs?
Gold Ticket = Free for 24h - and you will be able to buy it for 300$ or 260$ warbound with lti till 7. Nov
If they get a proper reputation system running and a decent mission chain where success in both unlock this.
Better yet, you then need to stay clean so no CrimeStat or they take it away until you regain the reputation...
Yeah a proper mission chain where you have to track someone holding a license down with a big bit of pew pew would be perfect! Not sure I can deal with never having a cs though - accidents happen 😂
The vulture is ingame now? I'm excited about that, and hearing that the f8c will be purchasable is cool too!
for 10k💀
Just to be clear it’s my assumption that it will be buy in game in the normal sort of timeframe (because I think it’s a big issue if it isn’t).
@@Nitrox_909 $260 warbond $300 standard. He says and shows it 2 minutes into the video.
@@Nitrox_909*300 usd and could be avail ingame in the future. Also a sq42 completion reward
@@LoudGuns in the QA they said that you will still unlock it through Squadron 42 though, so unless that is dropping anytime soon I doubt we will see it at ingame ship dealers in the near(ish) future.
The website says you have til November 7th to pick one up
My point is that they also sent me an email saying “last chance to buy a Perseus” then put it on sale 6 months later. I would be extremely surprised if they don’t sell it again.
you have 11 days total to get a ticket and then the email says when you claim the ticket secure yours before October 31st
melted my MSR for this ship, they sold me on how the rental felt and sounded lol. fomo is still a thing, if you dont buy the ship by nov 7 its gone until squadron 42
I shall believe that when I don’t see it on sale at Anvil day this IAE or next Invictus.
Looking forward to stealing some of these hehe
CR: we will never sell this ship.
You HAVE to finish SQ42 to get this ship.
LIAR
We were finding them in prison last night.
Cant even get my game to launch :/
They didn't ditch the SQ42 unlock, it's literally in the F8C Q&A doc on the website.
Maybe as an also thing but they’ve ditched the “only” part
Citizencon coming soon…. Means new ships
I got one too, cause i wanna support the project. And i didnt have a decent fighter in my fleet, now i have one of the best. Im happy.
lmfao
absolutely clueless
That's a really cool ship! So I have to get a golden ticket to even have the ship appear in the pledge store? Guess I really need to just look around the game again, havent played it in a long while because of the really bad patches released by CIG. Hopefully someone would just hand me one so I can just get the thing from the store XD
this sets off cash grab alarm bells in my mind
As much as you say "no one spends $10k for a heavy fighter" no but after getting space marshal lvl I saw the next LVL the F8c and it is like some many other people thing a GREAT looking ship and I wanted it. so I may have more easy to spend cash on ships as I am heading to the F8c ( which stopped this year completely ) but when this golden ticket ( which I found hard to find many bunkers missions on my own didnt find one loads of guns ammo and meds armour and stuff great. but no golden ticket) in chat a player said they had some, I said nice and then he offered me one for free :) I jumped at the chance . Now I have one yes in my hanger too LOL its not as good at time to kill as other ships ( Scorpius ) IMO but the looks out weigh it by far. also love the Scorpius too that X wing is for life along with the Glaive and the Sabre.
the point is I will not get to the $10k now for sure as All the ships I want I have and I am even thinking of melting the likes of the Crucible and Liberator as I dont think they will be in game for years and I would like the E1 ,C1, SRV. which I may just get in game or use the melted ships. I am not a big grinder player I just like flying the ships and the looks I will be happy making enough to pay for fuel and ammo with repairs and Insurance pay outs food and drink. along with helping others out like picking some up thats stuck or someone need a gunner what ever .
this is the hardest thing with your ORG as you ask for a role I dont have a role I just want to play with people that like ships if they need some one to help when they are mining then great I'll be a fighter pilot or get in a prospector or their mole to help. I may not be the best pilot or the best minor or salvager I just want to have fun the money side is extra
On this one. I had the self control of a kid with adult money... yes I bought one.
So I been supporting Star Citizen since 2013. I saved money to buy my first ship in 2017. I fell in love with the game and started saving money again. At the last IAE, I had enough to get what I wanted and found out that at the end of my spending, I had spent enough to get the F8. There are more ships I want, and I know there is more ship to come. So I'm going to save more money for the future.
I hit the 10K last year, mostly by doing grey market trading on the early years. I don't mind F8C become a common ship but I feel like something has been taken from me. I would have appreciated a compensation, as a skin or a variant cosmetic hull. That for sure changed something for me, I won't give any more money to the game after this. Fact is I love to fund the project and get something cool in return, and now I feel like I can't trust CIG marketing anymore.
you did get a skin as compensation btw :)
"now I feel like I can't trust CIG marketing anymore" LOL. Do you mean "and now I trust CIG marketing even less"?? Looks like on ehell of a ship though.
Latest patch notes: FOMO moved to tier 4.
I have barely more self control than you, I'll wait until after CitCon before buying it.
I like it too, it's like they took a Scorpius or Hurricane and downsized the firepower a little bit for single pilot use.
But it is super expensive to maintain if you do take damage.
Expensive? Self destruct + 23 minutes and it's free!
I mean its as tanky as a warden and almost as agile as an arrow.
Total DPS for the F8C is higher than both the Scorpius and Hurricane when they are fully manned.
@@rots3123 niether of those things are true. its overpowered sure, but be realistic.
@dietrichneu8054 that sounds like a straight up lie. The scorpius has 8 size 3 hard points. The f8c does not.
I dont agree on your pay to win argument. The f8c is not OP. Its only areing against light fighters. But that is the role of the ship. Against larger it wont cut it. Also once it will got to live all will ve rebalanced again.
been here sense 2018 & i didnt even spend 1k on the game yet, but the fact that you had to spend 10k for this fighter in the past, and after all that people still didnt get their fighter for YEARS because it wasn't in game was a crime.
im GLAD that people who spent the 10k finally get their fighter.
if someone spent 10k. give them their freaking fighter come on.. why wasnt this released way sooner!
i hope the S42 campaign reward changes to the F8A with LTI.. but idk.. we dont even know if the ship you get from that will be LTI or not. and idk if S42 will even be out in the next 5-10 years.. we have already waiting 11 years and were still waiting with no release OR EVEN DEMO in sight. lets get real here people.
I don't see it black or white, I think it's fine they entice you to at least sometimes spend a little bit of money again. After all the funding can't be maintained by just getting new players.
The ships may not be "just a little bit of money", but you can easily let it boil down to that if you melt or upgrade your ship for something that is just a little bit more money.
I'm afraid of what it will mean for the final game. All these hype addicted whales are teaching cig that this is the way to make money.
O I figured. It out ! Star citizen is giving FOMO for ciz con this year . Now people can play with a pressure buy situation , that’s what games are about practicing for life . (Practice your enjoyment And relaxation - diligently )
I'm not too heavily cynical about the sale because the tickets are so easy to get, if you want one (and can afford it), you can get one. And it's a fun excuse to actually play the game.
They struck the balance well as the most soloable heavy fighter, it's gorgeous and super fun. Honestly the bigger fact is it's basically almost everyone's 'endgame' pure fighter unless you like alien stuff, so just selling it means the end of that journey.
I'm with you, but the fact that we can't wait to see everyone turn on each other over a jpeg says something about us!
what's a jpeg? Japanese Porn Erotic Game?
The crying in the concierge forums has been real. For some reason people thought they'd be the only people that get one. CIG never said they wouldn't be for sale, or that it would be a wing commander reward only.
so IM NOBODY? THANKS DUDE. YOU ACTUALLY INSULTED ME not even being a whale.
Less caps more sense?
maybe when they put in a real bounty hunting guild that you can talk and interact with they could make the F8 earnable at the highest tier bounties as a purchasable ship, or for free if you do some made up server wide PvE bounty mission where there's a chance you could get a free one
rare in SC = Raven, Scythe, Idris M
Ugh another ship I want to buy…
Got a ticket after a 30k.
Not looking forward to all the pirate griefing done with Daddy's credit card from this.
It’s Star Citizen….we ARE the Dads. 😂
Disclaimer: except me, I’m happily childless.
You are wrong. I hit the 10k mark just for the ship unlock.
We can both be right, you could just be a minority 👍
I’ll wait to purchase until I beat SQ42…next year maybe? 😅😅😅
One year it will be next year 😂
The ship is great for me. Hope they don’t nerf it in the next major patch.
I think it’ll get a small maneuverability nerf at some point. It handles a little too well for a heavy fighter lol.
This ship is one day going to be more common than the gladius, especially when 42 releases. I would never be able to make 10k sound sensible for any video game. Much better things to spend money on that are tangible. Like guns! Hard pass ty.
Sketchy tactics again cig. Incoming nerf just like the Ares
Ships this large without an interior make no sense to me, I'd take the Vanguard instead any day. At least the Ares and Eclipse have the excuse that their respective weapons are comically large. For me though this lacks a second seat, bed, showershitter, and anywhere to put plushies, it's not for me.
I like your reasoning, I am just curious why not conceptualise other ships as those for plushies, bed and other amenities? With fighters I feel a lesser requirement for interior space than with other ships.
@@Spelljammer1 I suppose it depends on how long we're expected to spend in the ship. If there's no interior we should assume a pilot would only spend a short amount of time in the fighter, so it would be dependent on a support crew on a carrier or home base. Something like the Vanguard however could spend a considerable length of time without support for the crew. So I guess they're for different things.
Thanks for the video. I still think the f8 will only be buy able In game if you complete Sq42
Too bad that buy the time my new P.C is finally finished, this ship will most likely be nerfed further 😅
Instead its locked behind a rare ticket and a pay wall, hahah
I more hope that this is a sign that it will be locked behind some form of in game mission / credits in the future.
Game is so broken I can’t even get the rental, they should have never released this ship and should stick to their promises we shouldn’t be accepting CIG’s decision as much as we are
I struggle to agree, but I am biased.
@@LoudGuns I don’t see how a pay2win argument can be made about people playing SQ42 to get the ship when they are currently selling the ship for $300 and sell other ships which will most certainly hold superiority over other ships for 100s if not 1000s of dollars
I can be your void to shout into if you want 👍
CIG is either getting greedier or desperate for cash. I'm starting to believe CIG will go under in a few years time.
I think it’s opportunistic, and did require compromising on previous comms. Realistically CIG haven’t done as well this year as last - partly cost of living I guess but also problems of their own making with the 3.18 SS.
Financially though a worse year doesn’t equal a worrying year, and just based on their numbers until now they’re not in financial trouble that I can see.
Why in the fuck would they go under? They made ridiculous amounts of money. It's just that Star Citizen is now 10 years old, and they're releasing a fighter people have been eagerly waiting for for ages...
@@anthraziteyeah, f8c will sell like pancakes
@@rots3123 I honestly think it'll make less of an impact than people think it will
You can say you hope they go under, but actually believing they will is beyond stupid
While having a "new" shiny ship to fly in is cool, this event for me represents the complete loss of integrity of CIG. How can you trust anything they say anymore?
When it came to selling ships / release dates / feature timelines I simply took an approach of “seeing is believing”.
Realistically, in my professional life there are things I said I wouldn’t do 8 years ago that I have done (nothing morally dubious I hasten to add) 😂
Star Citizen is a balancing mess.. P2W like war thunder on steroids.
I think the advantage is it’s an MMO not a MOBA - so it’s ok for some ships to just be better than others. The limiting factor should be price (by which I mean credits and rep not $).
Personally Im no fan of this ship and the current event. And the comparison to the vulture does not work imo. If only a select 1000 people or so we're able to have this ship as a reward for their support- I'm fine. But this is a fighter that outclasses every other dogfighter out there. And how can a ship with S2 components and tons of firepower be even faster then a small fighter?
The balance is completely off and now everybody can buy it... Either serious nerf has to come or it's pay to win. Especially since it won't just take one Patch until it's buyable ingame...only the platinum part of the event would've been better. But less money for cig....
Sry for venting
How desperate for cash and hype must CIG be to take the pinnacle reward, the long-touted carrot at the end of SQ42 and the premier reward that high-level concierge members look forward to, and pump them into the PU like this? This is the pacifier they're shoving in everyone's mouths to preemptively muffle the outcry of a lackluster CitizenCon. If they announce a Squadron release date at CitizenCon, I'll come back here and eat crow.
The event itself is a cool design, but doing it with the F8C is such a godawfully tacky and brazenly shyster move.
SHAME on CiG for putting in a game loop that it's being horded by big orgs who distribute them to members in exchange for money
Que?
I don't get why people are saying the F8C is overpowered, it really isn't. Here are some comparison of similar ships in its same class, and the Ion which is basically the same size.
F8C - 3.4k Burst DPS, 36/33/176 Pitch/Yaw/Roll, 20k Shield HP, 46k Hull HP
Warden - 3.7k Burst DPS (All Laser Cannons), 32/32/120 Pitch/Yaw/Roll, 20k Shield HP, 42k Hull HP
Ares Ion - 3.85k Burst DPS, 30/30/115 Pitch/Yaw/Roll, 20k Shield HP, 30k Hull HP
As you can see, it really isn't that OP when you compare it to other ships in it's class. The only OP thing about it is it's insane top speed which likely isn't intentional and was just a placeholder for when it was still an NPC ship, so that will definitely be lowered.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's OP, but (even just based on your numbers) it's stronger than the Vanguard (176 vs 120 on roll is pretty significant).
I'd also be interested to know where your numbers are from on dps? Erkul has the F8C as 1251 dps / 960 alpha vs the Warden at 1124 / 760 (when you exclude the turret weapons to make it a like for like).
In terms of dps the Ion wins out 2663 / 2100 but that would rely on you hitting your target. I like how the Ion is now better balanced but it's not going to hit a good Gladius pilot.
Similarly the gimble mix on the F8C to my mind leaves it superior to the Warden.
The numbers are from Erkul, I used Burst DPS for all of them, but for Sustained DPS the difference is still pretty similar.
I do agree that even with those numbers it is still slightly better, but not OP as I've heard others say. The roll and SCM/top speed are pretty high compared to other heavy fighters, but I'm almost 90% sure that those stats are just remnants from when it was a NPC ship so they'll probably get lowered in the future.
The thing that makes the F8C so strong against light-fighters is it's fast accel and high top speed, which lets it heal shields and reset the fight, that's only currently though, when Master Modes comes into the game, the F8C will lose that advantage.
Oh it beats a Gladius easily? Pay to win OP then.
/s
I mean, it beats a PvE Gladius when flown by a pilot who in combat can only be described as mid 😂
The difference is the F8C is a heavy fighter and the gladius is a light fighter, the F8C is fast yes, the F8C rolls really good but its still not got the best turn rate on a fighter so im sure a light fighter with a pilot who knows what hes doing can take the F8C on for sure.
Tbh the whole flight model (and damage model) still feels janky and trash lol. I cant see how anyone enjoys any ship. Other than maybe low flying. Hope master modes helps, was hard to tell really cuz whenever i got on AC for MM testing nobody else was around lol. I dont like elite dangerous as an overall game, but flight and combat feel so much better there. Maybe its just preference.. xD
Omg! Star Citizen isn't pay to win. If the was the case the Scorpius would be top dog not the Gladius. Or everyone would be flying around in 890s. If you are loosing you need to practice more. Throughout the years I've been playing I've seen Hornets bested by Aroras, Sabers destroyed by Mustangs.
The industrious lads and ladettes of frontier have a strong holding with teamwork while having fun. If I remember correctly. Please have everyone record because I'm pretty sure the FPS lads can do the heavy lifting if they have the support of your industrious flight crews. How many Platinum tickets. Can you lot grab together and then drop into your discord lottery or something like that? You probably won't need to schedule an event 😋 I look forward to seeing the edit on whichever channel you put it on. Please make it happen. Thanks to you and your fun-loving friends, please continue having an excellent day.
PS yay Yay YAY !!! To 100 person servers losing its collective minds in the ice cream shop of This Ludacris space game 🪐
As a longtime backer who has put a lot of cash into SC over the years, it's nice to get to fly the F8. The ship is given to us for free at certain backing levels and to complain that now 'everyone' can get one is pretty pathetic. You are right in saying that the real backers are those that want to see the game made, those who are backing so they can show how much disposal income they have are just sad excuses for human beings and indicative of much that is wrong about the world we currently live in.