I don't think people realize this but Jokic right now in the playoffs is 2nd in ppg, 1st in apg and 2nd in rpg. The guy is top 2 in all 3 categories, while NOBODY else is even top 10 in all 3. Do people even understand how crazy that is?
The only reason Embiid won that award was because of the comments Kendrick Perkins made about race. He made it about something other than basketball. Embarrassing for the league.
"Ernie Johnson" Well they only reason you're voting for Giannis or Embiis is because they're black" Ernie's career would be done and it would be a talking point for years how he is racist. Kenny would come out in a few months about his journey through therapy and blah blah. Like this is all a joke.
Who cares you ignorant conservatives make everything about race white boy lost because embiid was better in the regular season that what the award is for wtf does the play off have to do with the mvp award bozo😂😂😂😂 hold that L.
@Sammy Honerd they're black. They can get away with racism a lot more easily than if let's say Jeremy Lin or jokic said "I hated playing with dumb monkey n*ggers" or something for example
They didn't wanna give it to jokic because they didn't want a 3 time MVP. Also, thanks to Perkins using the race card and the media hyping up embiid for the second half of the season.
The fact that people are this surprised that Embiid choked and Jokic is now proven to be better is honestly laughable. Shows how many casuals there are that were swayed by the media and narrative. Real NBA fans are not surprised one bit by Embiid choking yet again 😂
@@DynamicUnrealthank you! Jokic is elite at getting his hands in the middle of the lane and deflecting balls not to mention if you do make a decent pass he has the IQ to reach out with his leg and deflect it to make you try again. He’s literally 2 steps ahead of everyone in the league. He knows what your going to do it before you even do it.
In 20 years... MJ didn't get 3 in row, Kobe didn't get 3 in a row, LBJ didn't get 3 in row, Joker didn't get 3 in a row. Then, why would we give it to this guy?
@Project Ex Machina Did MJ, Kobe, LeBron deserved 3 in row?If someone wants to put portraits of those in invented church and pray. And if so calle analists do not understand what MVP means, should quit this profession.
@T.G Is it his fault he's the 4th option though? There are only so many shots you can put up playing alongside three extremely high usage players in Embiid, Maxey and Harden. I agree Harris is overpaid but can't blame him for that or for not putting up big numbers when he gets like 8-12 shots max a game. I think he had one stinker, but otherwise he was pretty fucking solid in his role. He led the sixers in FG%, TS% Win Shares per 48 mins and averaged close to 16 points per game in the playoffs. Arguments should be made he should be getting more involved.
im tired of the disrespect jokic gets. He is someone who wants to go down as a winner and if he wins a championship in Denver this year it might be time to put him in the nba's top 35. The man is a center having triple doubles night in and night out.
If he wins this championship, people gotta prepared for some uncomfortable conversations where jokic ranks all time, and he will be in conversations with Hakeem,shaq,Russell,Kareem,wilt for all-time centers, this early in his career and to me best already the best player in the league.
Embiid lost a lot of respect from fans with his post-conference statements. If he put up 40 and 20 then maybe I can see it but not 5-18 and his teammates producing more than he did.
@Bojan Nisic That's why even fans need to educate themselves. It's ok to be a fan of a player but not to the point where u can't be objective. Anyone objectively looking at both semi-series knows Jokic is the better player. Even if Embiid was 100% healthy I'm pretty sure this is the same outcome.
@Rap God Reloaded True. Frankly, I believe Embiid's comments after the game just brought more attention to his lack of leadership and increased the criticism he's received. If he just said, "I Got to Be Better." and left it at that, the media will move on but Embiid has a problem with accountability which is one of the most important traits of a leader.
@@googleifyouseekayuI don't care if it's tip toeing the line or deep, the point is that ad or LeBron isn't shooting that. A center is doing it. Don't down play it
@@ibrahimahmed2807 oh please. The injury excuse again? He's had an injury every single year in the playoffs. At this point it's to be expected. He seems perfectly fine whenever his team wins a game. Switches up pretty fast when they're losing though.
Oh trust me dude, people are not only keeping that same energy for Embiid but exceeding it. The Embiid hate has united all 30 fanbases on Reddit. Even their own fans are turning on them and I'm loving every moment of it
I'm glad to see it too. I find EmPlead the most objectively hateable player in the league and I can't understand why anybody except for delusional Philly fans can even be a fan of him at all
He was talking about doc the coach who doesn’t use the players in the court and use them to stand around did you watch any 76er basket ball the only reason Embiid got 52 in reg season cause the offense is designed to watch Embiid post up instead of cuts
@@DatFatThor cause the game plan is basically hero ball the c’s stoped KD last year so you can’t beat them with 2 players on offense any nba team that knows how predictable you are is gonna win Celtics success was because of 76ers brand of basketball
kinda like that "we are reopening the investigation to Hilary Clinton" right before election that ended up being nothing... and Trump won by a small margin :D
No need for Nikola Jokić to get a regular season MVP. We all know he deserves it and appreciates it, but he doesn't focus on it. What he focuses on is the more important Finals MVP. And he's gonna go hard for it this year, and I have him getting it and taking his team all the way! ❤️⛏️🏀🔥
Getting consecutive regular season MVP’s while Murray & Porter were injured. Then not getting regular season MVP when Murray & Porter came back, will make it even sweeter to get Finals MVP after winning his first chip this year.
He is a passive player. He likes to let the game come to him, so his scoring numbers are often lower than they could be because he's unselfish. But if you noticed, the game Murry was ice cold, he just scored an extra 20 points, then when everyone was playing well, he put up 30/17/17. The guy is capable of almost ANY number he wants, but he chooses to get just enough to make sure they win. That's scary.....he's that much better than everyone else.
Exactly, they throw around the racist card for black players but the real racism is against white NBA players, and there’s even greater xenophobia in the NBA too, I remember when the media used to always crap on Jokic, Luka, and Giannis
@@markopecinovic4475 Nobody has had a finals series that he has so imagine if he was black the amount of praise he would get but he is white so it doesn’t count
This season’s MVP race reminded me of 1995 when David Robinson took home the MVP, even though Hakeem Olajuwon should’ve won his second MVP in a row. Playoff time came around and Olajuwon destroyed every team on his way to back-to-back titles, including David Robinson, and Shaq in the finals.
Robinson had better team record. Rockets didn't even reach 50 wins that season. And they were neck and neck, statwise. It was no brainer to give it to Robinson. What they did to Jokic is a different story.
Hakeem EMBARASSED Robinson, especially that one move where he pump faked it twice and then just layed it in... im not to sure about who deserved the MVP that year thought.. but damn did he cook him lol
So you consistently watch a youtuber whose content you find to be of low quality. And you ridicule a recently passed away legendary player by impersonating him. Sounds like an upstanding member of society indeed.
Well embiid could of dispelled this narrative game 6. Tatum was a hot mess game 5-6. His heroics shouldn't of even mattered that game..why embiid has always been trash to me. He rather shoot 3s. Vs dominating is my reasoning.
And Tatum didn't even play that well the entire series, Jaylen Brown was way more consistent than him. It didn't matter anyway, their opponent were even bigger choke artists
jokic had a better season and was robbed of his third straight a lot of players have been the top scorer and not mvp, that’s not a valid argument the fact more people thought embiid even had a better year than giannis is insane
I genuinely don’t understand how embiid was so heavily favored over both Giannis and jokic. Both players are gaps ahead of him. Giannis is a much better defender than embiid while being a better passer and just as lethal, jokic is the best offensive machine in the sport.
@@bigsmall2842did you not watch the regular season. Embiid obliterated both of them in the head to head. And over the last month of the season he was miles ahead of them.
@@zachmontminy Dude, over the entire season he was behind until the last month, when he was slightly better. And his team still finished with a worse record with him than DEN with Jokic.
@@themack74 the fact is that Jordan is statistically better than bird just like jokic is better then embiid, the analogy stands only when the comparison is made between those who think bird is better than jordan and those who think embiid is better then jokic, in simple words, you are actually the fool with the trash opinion
Like LeBaby crying “give me my goddamn respect” lol. He actually claimed to be the GOAT. MJ never did, nor felt the need to. He let others do it for him
Jokic one of the few people to actually start at every position, yep in the bubble he did start the game at point guard early in the season. He is a true point center, something that the NBA has never seen before. He is like a smash up of a couple of great Lakers from the 80's. He has Kareem's hook shot, combined with Magic's passing, and then he ads his Sombor shuffle into the mix and that off balanced floater and it has teams scratching their head. As for his defense while he isn't the greatest defensive center of all time, that isn't his role. I know people say that defense is just effort and motivation, but I don't believe the Nuggets want him challenging every shot. He can't lead his offense while sitting on the bench in foul trouble. What he does do is disrupt passing lanes getting steals and generating turnovers. Not your typical center who is going for the block. We are watching a truly special player here and even a better teammate.
Best players jokic has beat in a playoff series: Damian Lillard(2021) Kawhi Leonard(2020) Devin Booker(2023) Kevin Durant(2023) Best players joel embiid has beat in a playoff series: Past his prime Dwayne Wade(2018) Dangelo Russell(2019) Russell Westbrook(2021) Pascal Siakam(2022) Mikal Bridges(2023) When you look at it, none of Embiid's series wins were against top 20 players, since westbrook and wade were past their primes when he played them. Meanwhile, Jokic beat Kawhi even when Kawhi played well in that series other than game 7, Damian Lillard even though Dame scored 55 points in that double overtime game, Devin Booker who had 47 points in game 3 and was averaging 35 ppg for these playoffs, and kevin durant who was scoring around 25-30 ppg for these playoffs. I hope this makes this clear that jokic is a better player than embiid.
Dame- who hasn't beat this guy? Book- doesn't beat anyone unless they're injured KD- some credit but he played super washed Kawhi- I'll give you this one but 2020 is controversial to most people BTW Siakam is a champion in case you forgot
@@UndeniablyTasty there is nothing controversial about 2020. The only reason people hate on it is because for most people, the team they support will lose as only 1 team out of 30 wins the chip. So the bubble gives people a very handy excuse to hate on that 1/30 of the fanbase. 2020 was completely legit and if your team won, you'd agree.
Should never have been a debate, really. It's like the world just arbitrarily decided assists were "empty" stats all of a sudden. Jokic was putting up Steve Nash's prime passing numbers ontop of 25 on 61% shooting (something Shaq never did in his career) and so many people just shrugged it off. Incredible.
@@low_vibration I'd say racism and voter fatigue in equal measure. Voters didn't feel comfortable with Jokic having more MVPs than Giannis and being one away from Bron.
Jokic let Embiid win. He clearly took his foot off the pedal right after the Perkins race card was pulled. It clearly made him uncomfortable and as soon as he let off, embiid took off pedal to the metal knowing it was his best chance that Jokic left open.
The problem with this theory is that it depends upon Jokic caring about the award in the first place, which all indicators point towards he doesn't. If he let off at all, it was probably simply related to his team being secure in its position for the playoffs.
@@Akkbar21 Silly to think Jokic doesn't care about the opinions of his black teammates. He probably wanted to avoid any drama with that crap. You do understand how powerful the race card is? It's literally destroying America as we speak with bull crap narratives. Jokic isn't a robot. The dude has feelings and wants to not only be accepted as one of the best, but wants to win in a TEAM SPORT! You can't win a team sport if your teammates are against you. I think there's evidence of both what the OP wrote and also Trevor's counter point. But to simply wash it all away with Jokic not caring about the opinions of talking heads on tv isn't it.
Last year Jokic had to face the eventual champions in round 1 and averaged 31pts and 13rb while being triple teamed the entire series. Even Warriors fans were saying he was the best player on the entire court that series. The year before that, Jokic single handedly got the Nuggets out of the first round. Both Dame and Jokic had a bad game 4, but in the other 5 games Jokic was averaging 36pts and Dame was putting up a historic performance averaging 39pts. Jokic was able to almost match Dame offensively, and then overcame the difference with his playmaking and other areas of his game.
That series against the Blazers was some incredible basketball, from both teams. Jokic really cemented how great of a player he is with his performance there.
Don't ever put that "Joel is better than Jokic" in front of me ever again! Jokic should've been MVP this year but oh well, at least Joel won't cry anymore (hopefully).
No one will ever vote for him to be MVP again. He will have to put up 2k record breaking numbers to ever get another vote with how horrible he was this post season. He is done as a top star in this league. Just get old ass Al Horford to clamp his ass up.
This debate was so forced, the main talking points for the mvp this year were people trying to find ways to not let jokic win 3 in a row. Probably 75% of things that people talked about had nothing to do with what the mvp is awarded on. The debate should be Giannis or jokic for best player in the world, I’ve had Giannis as the best player in the world since 2020 and that championship really sealed that. Now I think if jokic continues to play this way and win the championship he’ll take the throne. I think it’s also possible to make an argument even if he doesn’t win IF he goes out of his mind.
Nah Jokic is better than Giannis. He looked stupid when he was eliminated this year. Hiding from the ball because he couldn’t shoot free throws. I thought he had gotten over it. I hope he fixes it because I love Giannis. ❤️
@@zhen86 Jokič was way more valuable than embiid. A simple eye test will prove that. He's a focal point of EVERYTHING that the nuggets do, and they are incredibly successful at that.
Jokic is such a team player that he gifted his MVP to Embiid, who is not even on his team, just to help the guy out. Dude has a big heart, man. I hope he gets his Finals MVP because his sportsmanship is on a whole other level.
Joel Embiid is an amazing player. But Jokic is a generational player. He makes everyone else around him better. He scores, rebounds, assists others and plays defense so easily and so easily with defense, that people can't even see that he IS playing defense. Edit: horrible attitude for Embiid though. He's been through way too many all-star caliber and superstar caliber players.
Kendrick Perkins, claiming racism is why Jokic won, and Mark Jackson, disgracefully leaving Jokic off his ballot, are both disgraceful for these acts. Both of them owe Jokic a public apology. Jackson needs to lose his voting rights for this.
Agreed, mostly in the Mark Jackson thing because I don't think KP even knows what he's saying half the time. He just talks or yells enough to get espn to keep him.
Thank you for fan-splaining to all of those who just haven't watched NJ play. He's legendary. The same can't be said about JE. Thanks for breaking it down so eloquently.
Hoping that jokic gets his first ring. He freakin deserves it more than anyone playing right now. Butler also deserves it but jokic played out of his mind for the past 3 yrs and still remained humble. Never bragged, never cared for individual accolades, involved his teammates and never threw them under the bus. That’s what a perfect mvp should be.
You have to be completely clueless about basketball to think Embiid was a better player than Jokic this season. Jokic was not only the best player but he also had one of the strongest seasons in the history of the NBA and took the Nuggets to their first trophy. Either they have an agenda against Jokic or they don't know what good basketball is.
I think the problem at this point with embiids injury excuse is that at some point if he is injured every playoffs that is playoff Embiid that is the only version we get so therefore whoever is making that injury excuse needs to realize that it is only valid for once or twice not when every playoff he is injured
The only difference is Embiid begged for that mvp award and choked in the playoffs while Jokic proved to everyone why he is the mvp without begging or any comments his game speaks for itself
This video came out before Jokic, and the Nuggets, handedly beat the Heat to win the championship, cementing himself as the REAL MVP. It is not even debatable.
Jokic 29 triple doubles this season Embiid 1 triple double this season. Jokic FIRST player in the history of the NBA to record 2000 points, 1000 rebounds and 500 assist in one season.
@@FreshPrincex4 Agreed. People were looking for ways to not give Joker 3 in a row, and most people thought perk was an idiot for saying that anyway, I don't know anyone who agreed with him. The media would have won that mvp for embiid regardless.
It's so laughable that they chose Embid over Jokic. It's like the nba was determined to vote for anyone but not Jokic. Does the nba still have any credibility? It's not a sport but an entertainment competing with WWE. The nba of today is so pathetic.
I’m glad people are realizing this, Joel Embiid’s MVP will go down as the worst MVP in the history of Basketball and one of the biggest robberies in NBA history
The voters are punks, Perkins put the word out vote Joker again and you all will be smeared as racist. Joker was EASILY the MVP and not just for his stats but his impact to the TEAM in a TEAM game.
@@rgonzalo511 33 years old are past prime age brother...Look at Harden dude , is he same Harden who play in Houston rockets....Some player can play in 33-38 years old but are they the same player when they in 26-30 years old....
@@mrboast2826 Jimmy Butler, Steph Curry, KD, LeBron James are all even older than 33 and their balling. 33 is not past your prime once you get to 35 okay fine
@@rgonzalo511 You know the term the exception confirms the rule...Just because some player can play in old age doesn't mean majority of other player can play in that age...Majority of NBA player can't play the same style after they reach 33-40 years old...
@@mrboast2826 I can name more. Of course your style will change. Heck your style when your 24 is waaaay different than when your a young sprite 17 year old. Although nobody would say 24 is old. Players are constantly changing the way they play throughout their careers. Not just when they hit a certain age.
Ive always like Jokic more than Embiid just bc of the fact that he dominate a game without having to dominate a game by scoring. He can score less than 20 pts and his team can still come out on top just bc he facilitates the offense and makes others better. Plus hes just more consistant and he dosent take nearly as many jumpers a Embiid
From a statistician's point of view, sport is a solved problem. We have so much data, the only question is which metric should we be using (many since none are perfect). For Embiid and Jokic, it's especially easy since both are centers. According to Basketball Reference, in 2022-23: Jokic beats Embiid in player efficiency rating, true shooting percentage, offensive rebound percentage, defensive rebound percentage, assist percentage, steal percentage, win shares per 48 minutes, offensive box plus minus, defensive box plus minus, and value over replacement. Embiid beats Jokic in block percentage and turnover percentage. I'm all for democracy and voting for nuanced questions. This one is not.
This is excellent content my brother. I agree with you 100% . I actually felt all year that either Gianni's or Jokich was the MVP. The only thing Embid seemed to care about the last 3 years is winning the MVP as opposed to winning a championship
Sixers 54-28; without Embiid 11-5 = 69%; whole season without Embiid 56-26; Nuggets 53-29; without Jokić 4-8 = 33.33%; whole season without Jokić 27-55. Everyone with a minimum one braincell can see who is the most VALUABLE player!!! Suggestion for Sixers: Get rid of Embiid, you might win a chip!
It's a really good point you made that the difference on offense is actually bigger than the gap on defense is, yet the media will talk about the latter consistently.
Your right however I known that for years. But again you are so right about post MVP decision Embiid was horrible and Joker shut up all the racist and people who don’t watch the NBA Thanks for the content.
Affirmative Action MVP!!! Embiid will forever be synonymous with the moment that the MVP title lost all meaning... First MVP ever who's team was better with him off the court then on it! Let that sink in when thinking about what MVP means... 🤔 He obtained the title by way of anti white, racist and toxically divisive identity politics.. Embiid should have an Asterix next to his name in the record books...
THE MVP, WATCHED THE REAL MVP IN THE FINALS, JOEL SHOULD HAD TOOK THAT MVP TROPHY HE WAS HANDED, AND HANDED IT TO JOKIC AFTER THE FINALS, AND SAID THIS IS YOURS, REAL MVP,s DONT ALLOW THEIR TEAM TO GET BOUNCED OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS IN THE 2nd ROUND!!!
Good job. All points valid. Embid's strained knee is being trotted out as an excuse. He couldn't move well on the perimeter they say. Ok, then why didn't he adapt by setting up in the post and just being 7'1"? Answer, he doesn't want to be a center. It's not flashy enough I guess. Jokic wants to be a center. The best center we've ever seen on the offensive end.
The biggest difference I see between Jokic last year and Embiid this year is that without Jokic the nuggets would've been one of the worst teams in the NBA but they still managed to make the playoffs because of Jokic, while the 76rs could still probably make the playoffs without Embiid.
I never understood Embid winning MVP honors and played a pissed poor performance against the Celtics. Kendrick Perkins and all the analysts need to take a massive ass L.
When you say "What else do I have to do?", that means you are satisfied. Jokic is never satisfied. that is why he is always getting better in every way
To be out rebounded by a guard/small-forward as the MoSt DoMiNaNt CeNtEr of his generation is the icing on the cake. He deserved his MVP this year, just because he played better in the final games of the season. However, he is not THE PLAYER, players don't throw their teammates under the bus every year! No responsibility, no accountability whatsoever - he is not a man, he is a punk. So they should just rename his award to Most Whining Punk.
As a Serb I'm a fan of Joker ofc, and it's pointless to waste any words about this year MPV election. But people, when will you stop messing regular season with the PO?!? The fact that Embiid and Jokic didn't make it to the PO finales DOES NOT diminish their performance in regular season. That's why PO has it's own MVP award! And being promoted as MPV doesn't mean "the best player" but the most VALUABLE one, the one who makes a difference, the one who makes his teammates better, the one who contributed most for he's team winnings! And in that department Joker is alone, high above everyone else! PERIOD!
I don't think people realize this but Jokic right now in the playoffs is 2nd in ppg, 1st in apg and 2nd in rpg. The guy is top 2 in all 3 categories, while NOBODY else is even top 10 in all 3. Do people even understand how crazy that is?
That really is crazy, mvp shit
That’s a fairly strong point of contention lol
He’s my MVP
Sheesh
Seems like an MVP type player
The only reason Embiid won that award was because of the comments Kendrick Perkins made about race. He made it about something other than basketball. Embarrassing for the league.
"Ernie Johnson" Well they only reason you're voting for Giannis or Embiis is because they're black" Ernie's career would be done and it would be a talking point for years how he is racist. Kenny would come out in a few months about his journey through therapy and blah blah. Like this is all a joke.
Completely agree
Who cares you ignorant conservatives make everything about race white boy lost because embiid was better in the regular season that what the award is for wtf does the play off have to do with the mvp award bozo😂😂😂😂 hold that L.
@Sammy Honerd they're black. They can get away with racism a lot more easily than if let's say Jeremy Lin or jokic said "I hated playing with dumb monkey n*ggers" or something for example
You really think people listen to Kendrick clown like that? No it’s voter fatigue. Nobody will win 3 mvps in row. It’s just the way it is
Make-a-Wish MVP
They didn't wanna give it to jokic because they didn't want a 3 time MVP. Also, thanks to Perkins using the race card and the media hyping up embiid for the second half of the season.
😂 100% accurate
@@kinglightning5256 underrated ass mf comment
Lol
Hope embid get Expose on media an never happen again . Stealing ur post btw. Just facts
Joel got the "Here nigga damn" award. Point blank period.
🤣🤣well done.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
BLM DIVERSITY MVP
Great 😂
@@karna6634 Naw they just got tired of him bitching about it for 3 seasons straight when Jokic definitely deserved it all 3 times
Only thing more pathetic than being handed something you dont deserve, is the people who handed it out.
cough mark jackson cough
The fact that people are this surprised that Embiid choked and Jokic is now proven to be better is honestly laughable. Shows how many casuals there are that were swayed by the media and narrative. Real NBA fans are not surprised one bit by Embiid choking yet again 😂
Thank you good sir.
I don't even think he's choking in the playoffs.
At this point he's just getting exposed as a fraud.
Somehow embiid fans will say he is better than jokic because he has better defense 😂
@@matdenzelbautista6981Embiid is just better at blocking shots. Jokic is better at every other defensive attribute including defensive IQ.
@@DynamicUnrealthank you! Jokic is elite at getting his hands in the middle of the lane and deflecting balls not to mention if you do make a decent pass he has the IQ to reach out with his leg and deflect it to make you try again. He’s literally 2 steps ahead of everyone in the league. He knows what your going to do it before you even do it.
10-20 years from now, this is gonna be one of those MVPs where people are gonna be like "Yeah.... the NBA screwed that up"
In 20 years... MJ didn't get 3 in row, Kobe didn't get 3 in a row, LBJ didn't get 3 in row, Joker didn't get 3 in a row. Then, why would we give it to this guy?
@Project Ex Machina Did MJ, Kobe, LeBron deserved 3 in row?If someone wants to put portraits of those in invented church and pray. And if so calle analists do not understand what MVP means, should quit this profession.
@@ProjectExMachina Kobe didn’t even get 2 total 😂
Didn’t expect that coming from someone like you 😕
@@SithAtaM Kobe one of the most overrated players by media. Dude not even top 10
As a sixers fan, embiid and everyone except Maxey deserve all the criticism
Yes but do you except the fact that jokic is the real MVP?
Bensimmons
Harden gets a little break because 2 of the wine was all him and the 3rd win he played good just didn't score a lot
@@julsc2106 why? The regular season has nothing to do with the playoffs
@T.G Is it his fault he's the 4th option though? There are only so many shots you can put up playing alongside three extremely high usage players in Embiid, Maxey and Harden. I agree Harris is overpaid but can't blame him for that or for not putting up big numbers when he gets like 8-12 shots max a game. I think he had one stinker, but otherwise he was pretty fucking solid in his role. He led the sixers in FG%, TS% Win Shares per 48 mins and averaged close to 16 points per game in the playoffs. Arguments should be made he should be getting more involved.
im tired of the disrespect jokic gets. He is someone who wants to go down as a winner and if he wins a championship in Denver this year it might be time to put him in the nba's top 35. The man is a center having triple doubles night in and night out.
I can see higher than that tbh.
If he wins this championship, people gotta prepared for some uncomfortable conversations where jokic ranks all time, and he will be in conversations with
Hakeem,shaq,Russell,Kareem,wilt for all-time centers, this early in his career and to me best already the best player in the league.
Hes already top 35 for me. Back to back mvp, multiple deep playoff runs, triple double machine
Jokic is the goat. You heard it first here, folks.
If he wins a chip this year he's the best nugget all time and definitely top 20. I can see top 5 when he retires if he can keep this up
Embiid lost a lot of respect from fans with his post-conference statements. If he put up 40 and 20 then maybe I can see it but not 5-18 and his teammates producing more than he did.
trust me, there are still many Dumb-dumbs who still think Embiid>Jokic
Back in 2018 Embiid said that Boston vs Philly isn't a rivalry I'm not surprised about his lack of leadership qualities.
@Bojan Nisic That's why even fans need to educate themselves. It's ok to be a fan of a player but not to the point where u can't be objective. Anyone objectively looking at both semi-series knows Jokic is the better player. Even if Embiid was 100% healthy I'm pretty sure this is the same outcome.
@Rap God Reloaded True. Frankly, I believe Embiid's comments after the game just brought more attention to his lack of leadership and increased the criticism he's received. If he just said, "I Got to Be Better." and left it at that, the media will move on but Embiid has a problem with accountability which is one of the most important traits of a leader.
@@bojannisic2906 IQ
Wow, Jokic really averages 47.5% from 3 this playoffs?! That is unreal
Yep. That's elite stats, even for guys like Curry.
@@nkaloyanov well defense of curry, Jokic ain't putting up 30threes a game 😂.
@@googleifyouseekayu haha sure. And he isn’t casually dropping 3s from half court🤣
That's what happens when you have magnificent shot selection. Don't miss that often when you only take good shots.
@@googleifyouseekayuI don't care if it's tip toeing the line or deep, the point is that ad or LeBron isn't shooting that. A center is doing it. Don't down play it
An almost 10 PPG drop off going into the playoffs is disgusting
He’ll never see another Mvp again in his career
@@dhgmduke2138 Joel the MVP of getting his Head coach fired and blaming his teammates after choking in a game 7.
@@sammyhonerd677hahaha💯😅
This is getting blown out of proportion he was injured. Yes Jokic probably deserved MVP but it is a regular season award.
@@ibrahimahmed2807 oh please. The injury excuse again? He's had an injury every single year in the playoffs. At this point it's to be expected. He seems perfectly fine whenever his team wins a game. Switches up pretty fast when they're losing though.
Jokic - The Joker
Embiitch - The Joke
😂😂😂
Underrated comment !
Oh trust me dude, people are not only keeping that same energy for Embiid but exceeding it. The Embiid hate has united all 30 fanbases on Reddit. Even their own fans are turning on them and I'm loving every moment of it
Couldn't agree more:)
I always felt the award will come back to Joel.Each fake is revealed sooner or later...
I'm glad to see it too. I find EmPlead the most objectively hateable player in the league and I can't understand why anybody except for delusional Philly fans can even be a fan of him at all
lmao reddit
@@AbrahamG.99 reddit is gay as hell but this time it’s an exception
Jokic is the real MVP and i say it as a African too.
Good for you bro. It's not about skin color. I wish these dumbass racist Embiid fans could think like that.
100%, every category except pts, and 1pt in defense Jokic takes
@@WalkinWhiskeyJokic is better at everything besides rim protecting
Fellow African here. I agree. Embiid was not the MVP!!! They absolutely spat on Jokic just to give Embiid an MVP.
You didn't get memo that he is French citizen now?
Crazy how good he was defending from any accountability in playoff and put other player except Harden under the bus😅😅
He was talking about doc the coach who doesn’t use the players in the court and use them to stand around did you watch any 76er basket ball the only reason Embiid got 52 in reg season cause the offense is designed to watch Embiid post up instead of cuts
'He's not Houston James anymore, we all know that'
@@tactmo9519 He dropped 15 points in game 7...
@@DatFatThor cause the game plan is basically hero ball the c’s stoped KD last year so you can’t beat them with 2 players on offense any nba team that knows how predictable you are is gonna win Celtics success was because of 76ers brand of basketball
@@tactmo9519 He got outscored by the roleplsyers on his team
Perkins tipped the scales in the Fake MVP's favor. Without that, Jokic would have got the 3rd straight MVP.
You’re right
Dat’s da FACTS!!! Dat’s da FACTS!!!
kinda like that "we are reopening the investigation to Hilary Clinton" right before election that ended up being nothing... and Trump won by a small margin :D
Affirmative action MVP, thanks to race hustling!
Too bad there’s no proof Perkins’ comments had any bearing on the MVP race this year.
No need for Nikola Jokić to get a regular season MVP. We all know he deserves it and appreciates it, but he doesn't focus on it. What he focuses on is the more important Finals MVP. And he's gonna go hard for it this year, and I have him getting it and taking his team all the way! ❤️⛏️🏀🔥
Getting consecutive regular season MVP’s while Murray & Porter were injured. Then not getting regular season MVP when Murray & Porter came back, will make it even sweeter to get Finals MVP after winning his first chip this year.
Exactly he’s done with the regular season. Similar to when Lebron really started winning they move on to finals mvp
⛏️🏆⛏️
He is a passive player. He likes to let the game come to him, so his scoring numbers are often lower than they could be because he's unselfish. But if you noticed, the game Murry was ice cold, he just scored an extra 20 points, then when everyone was playing well, he put up 30/17/17. The guy is capable of almost ANY number he wants, but he chooses to get just enough to make sure they win. That's scary.....he's that much better than everyone else.
If he wins the ring, then he already has that finals MVP in the bag. They have to win it all, though😊
If JOKIC was black he would be compared to all the greats but his problem is that he is a Serbian white guy. Talk about racism
Exactly, they throw around the racist card for black players but the real racism is against white NBA players, and there’s even greater xenophobia in the NBA too, I remember when the media used to always crap on Jokic, Luka, and Giannis
Dude that is AbSerb!
You abSerblutely need to take that back.
@@markopecinovic4475
It’s the truth bro
@@THE-DUKE.64 Dude I'm Serbian...
I know....
Still it's AbSerb...ain't it? 🧐
@@markopecinovic4475
Nobody has had a finals series that he has so imagine if he was black the amount of praise he would get but he is white so it doesn’t count
This season’s MVP race reminded me of 1995 when David Robinson took home the MVP, even though Hakeem Olajuwon should’ve won his second MVP in a row. Playoff time came around and Olajuwon destroyed every team on his way to back-to-back titles, including David Robinson, and Shaq in the finals.
Hakeem Olajuwon was masterpiece center and he play vs two other greatest center position David Robinson and legendary Shaq superstar
But NIKOLA JOKIC probably better than all center position ever play this game
Robinson had better team record. Rockets didn't even reach 50 wins that season. And they were neck and neck, statwise. It was no brainer to give it to Robinson. What they did to Jokic is a different story.
@@suiken3149 yep. I’m pretty sure the Rockets started the playoffs as a 6th seed that year.
Hakeem EMBARASSED Robinson, especially that one move where he pump faked it twice and then just layed it in... im not to sure about who deserved the MVP that year thought.. but damn did he cook him lol
First time ever I probably agree with you. Jokic was the real MVP.
Looks only at playoff statistics... NIKOLA JOKIC masterpiece statistics unbelievable numbers
So you consistently watch a youtuber whose content you find to be of low quality. And you ridicule a recently passed away legendary player by impersonating him. Sounds like an upstanding member of society indeed.
Tatum has been destroying Embiid and the Sixers since his rookie year.
Sixers fans Embiid wasn't healthy🤓
Well embiid could of dispelled this narrative game 6. Tatum was a hot mess game 5-6. His heroics shouldn't of even mattered that game..why embiid has always been trash to me. He rather shoot 3s. Vs dominating is my reasoning.
He kills the sixers because they did not draft him
@@kinglightning5256 he wasn't, players really be hitting joel hard for no reason in the playoffs, like they tryna kill him
And Tatum didn't even play that well the entire series, Jaylen Brown was way more consistent than him. It didn't matter anyway, their opponent were even bigger choke artists
jokic had a better season and was robbed of his third straight
a lot of players have been the top scorer and not mvp, that’s not a valid argument
the fact more people thought embiid even had a better year than giannis is insane
I genuinely don’t understand how embiid was so heavily favored over both Giannis and jokic. Both players are gaps ahead of him. Giannis is a much better defender than embiid while being a better passer and just as lethal, jokic is the best offensive machine in the sport.
@@bigsmall2842 its cause he got some fans in higher places and cause Perkins made it about race.. lol.. the NBA is pathetic
I wouldn't mind giving it to a different player that has a massive impact on their teams performance.
Embiid is not that guy though.
@@bigsmall2842did you not watch the regular season. Embiid obliterated both of them in the head to head. And over the last month of the season he was miles ahead of them.
@@zachmontminy Dude, over the entire season he was behind until the last month, when he was slightly better. And his team still finished with a worse record with him than DEN with Jokic.
The 2023 MVP was Emiid's NBA Championship.
😂😂😂
Which is very sad. I mean for Embiid, if he could settle for that.
That Perkins pity party mvp🤦♂️
Mark jackson Racist~
@@themack74 Jordan~Bird~Jokic~Embiid~
If you can't figure out the ONLY Clown in the Picture then you Really are just spewing AGENDA~
Just laughable~
Bro embid was winning it either way lol
@@themack74 dude what. Joker would be fine after a knee injury. 0% of his game is based on his athleticism.
@@themack74 the fact is that Jordan is statistically better than bird just like jokic is better then embiid, the analogy stands only when the comparison is made between those who think bird is better than jordan and those who think embiid is better then jokic, in simple words, you are actually the fool with the trash opinion
He begged for the mvp. That right there makes him not the mvp.
Like LeBaby crying “give me my goddamn respect” lol. He actually claimed to be the GOAT. MJ never did, nor felt the need to. He let others do it for him
@@MrRoda8143 Imagine comparing Embiid to LeBron…
@@dotenksOr LeFlop to MJ..
@@MrRoda8143 “I would like to be considered the best” - Michael Jordan
Stop with that LeBron “not humble” narrative
Jokic one of the few people to actually start at every position, yep in the bubble he did start the game at point guard early in the season. He is a true point center, something that the NBA has never seen before. He is like a smash up of a couple of great Lakers from the 80's. He has Kareem's hook shot, combined with Magic's passing, and then he ads his Sombor shuffle into the mix and that off balanced floater and it has teams scratching their head. As for his defense while he isn't the greatest defensive center of all time, that isn't his role. I know people say that defense is just effort and motivation, but I don't believe the Nuggets want him challenging every shot. He can't lead his offense while sitting on the bench in foul trouble. What he does do is disrupt passing lanes getting steals and generating turnovers. Not your typical center who is going for the block. We are watching a truly special player here and even a better teammate.
Magic Johnson had Kareems hook shot. Which he learned from Kareem himself. He was also a center most of his life.
Embiid isn't even a top 5 blocker in the league by block % rate. He is 50%. Lopez is 66%.
Bill Walton in his short prime.
Best players jokic has beat in a playoff series:
Damian Lillard(2021)
Kawhi Leonard(2020)
Devin Booker(2023)
Kevin Durant(2023)
Best players joel embiid has beat in a playoff series:
Past his prime Dwayne Wade(2018)
Dangelo Russell(2019)
Russell Westbrook(2021)
Pascal Siakam(2022)
Mikal Bridges(2023)
When you look at it, none of Embiid's series wins were against top 20 players, since westbrook and wade were past their primes when he played them. Meanwhile, Jokic beat Kawhi even when Kawhi played well in that series other than game 7, Damian Lillard even though Dame scored 55 points in that double overtime game, Devin Booker who had 47 points in game 3 and was averaging 35 ppg for these playoffs, and kevin durant who was scoring around 25-30 ppg for these playoffs. I hope this makes this clear that jokic is a better player than embiid.
Nuggets..only team in NBA playoff history to comeback multiple 1-3 deficit ..Utah Jazz and LA Clippers
Dame- who hasn't beat this guy?
Book- doesn't beat anyone unless they're injured
KD- some credit but he played super washed
Kawhi- I'll give you this one but 2020 is controversial to most people
BTW Siakam is a champion in case you forgot
@@UndeniablyTasty there is nothing controversial about 2020. The only reason people hate on it is because for most people, the team they support will lose as only 1 team out of 30 wins the chip. So the bubble gives people a very handy excuse to hate on that 1/30 of the fanbase. 2020 was completely legit and if your team won, you'd agree.
@@UndeniablyTasty Ok, now add Lebron and AD to the list...
@@UndeniablyTasty copium is a hell of a drug
Jokic: M.V.P.
Embiid: M.I.A.
Joe Cry Embiid got the greatest MVPity of all time
As a sixers fan its hurts to know we were frauds
😂
i feel bad for you... not even joking.... nothing worse then having a fake win or a handout.....cause whats the point in competing then...
Should never have been a debate, really. It's like the world just arbitrarily decided assists were "empty" stats all of a sudden. Jokic was putting up Steve Nash's prime passing numbers ontop of 25 on 61% shooting (something Shaq never did in his career) and so many people just shrugged it off. Incredible.
racism is a hell of a drug
@@low_vibration I'd say racism and voter fatigue in equal measure. Voters didn't feel comfortable with Jokic having more MVPs than Giannis and being one away from Bron.
@@gamble777888 either way the ego of the voter trumped the numbers and its pathetic
@@low_vibration I agree 100%
@@gamble777888 Nope. Absolutely no proof of racism against Jokic at all.
Sympathy is the perfect definition of the way he got the mvp 😂
I'm confused. Sympathy for what?
@@Torgo1969 For not being as good as he should have been 😂
Jokic let Embiid win. He clearly took his foot off the pedal right after the Perkins race card was pulled. It clearly made him uncomfortable and as soon as he let off, embiid took off pedal to the metal knowing it was his best chance that Jokic left open.
The problem with this theory is that it depends upon Jokic caring about the award in the first place, which all indicators point towards he doesn't. If he let off at all, it was probably simply related to his team being secure in its position for the playoffs.
Silly to think Jokic cared whatsoever about what Perkins said on TV. Come on.
100% unsubstantiated take
Embiid`s crying for the award for 3 seasons, and Perkins statements is what got him the award.
Embiid is hands down the worst MVP of all time.
@@Akkbar21 Silly to think Jokic doesn't care about the opinions of his black teammates. He probably wanted to avoid any drama with that crap. You do understand how powerful the race card is? It's literally destroying America as we speak with bull crap narratives. Jokic isn't a robot. The dude has feelings and wants to not only be accepted as one of the best, but wants to win in a TEAM SPORT! You can't win a team sport if your teammates are against you. I think there's evidence of both what the OP wrote and also Trevor's counter point. But to simply wash it all away with Jokic not caring about the opinions of talking heads on tv isn't it.
Last year Jokic had to face the eventual champions in round 1 and averaged 31pts and 13rb while being triple teamed the entire series. Even Warriors fans were saying he was the best player on the entire court that series.
The year before that, Jokic single handedly got the Nuggets out of the first round. Both Dame and Jokic had a bad game 4, but in the other 5 games Jokic was averaging 36pts and Dame was putting up a historic performance averaging 39pts. Jokic was able to almost match Dame offensively, and then overcame the difference with his playmaking and other areas of his game.
That series against the Blazers was some incredible basketball, from both teams. Jokic really cemented how great of a player he is with his performance there.
Don't ever put that "Joel is better than Jokic" in front of me ever again! Jokic should've been MVP this year but oh well, at least Joel won't cry anymore (hopefully).
Nah, he’ll always cry about something. He’s a big crybaby lol
Embiid cares more about awards. Watch him win another next year.
No one will ever vote for him to be MVP again. He will have to put up 2k record breaking numbers to ever get another vote with how horrible he was this post season. He is done as a top star in this league. Just get old ass Al Horford to clamp his ass up.
I don't think so. The voters have learned their lesson.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mvp is all narrative and right now finally the embiid mvp narrative is dead af. Embiid not winning shit unless its best 6th man of the year
@@whobitmyname they never will, this will always happen
This debate was so forced, the main talking points for the mvp this year were people trying to find ways to not let jokic win 3 in a row. Probably 75% of things that people talked about had nothing to do with what the mvp is awarded on. The debate should be Giannis or jokic for best player in the world, I’ve had Giannis as the best player in the world since 2020 and that championship really sealed that. Now I think if jokic continues to play this way and win the championship he’ll take the throne. I think it’s also possible to make an argument even if he doesn’t win IF he goes out of his mind.
Mvp is not best player award
Nah Jokic is better than Giannis. He looked stupid when he was eliminated this year. Hiding from the ball because he couldn’t shoot free throws. I thought he had gotten over it. I hope he fixes it because I love Giannis. ❤️
@@zhen86 Jokič was way more valuable than embiid. A simple eye test will prove that. He's a focal point of EVERYTHING that the nuggets do, and they are incredibly successful at that.
@@bgdgdgdf4488 and what you said proved my point of MVP is not best player award. anyway, Joel is a woke MVP that all.
@@zhen86 i never disagreed that MVP is not the best player, you idiot. I agreed with you.
Jokic is such a team player that he gifted his MVP to Embiid, who is not even on his team, just to help the guy out. Dude has a big heart, man.
I hope he gets his Finals MVP because his sportsmanship is on a whole other level.
Joel Embiid is an amazing player. But Jokic is a generational player. He makes everyone else around him better. He scores, rebounds, assists others and plays defense so easily and so easily with defense, that people can't even see that he IS playing defense.
Edit: horrible attitude for Embiid though. He's been through way too many all-star caliber and superstar caliber players.
I don't understand how anyone can watch a Nuggets game and not see that Jokic is the best player in the league. It's so clear and it's not close
Jokic and Da Nuggets goin all da way,he.bout to prove da Haters and Slanders WRONG,true Ballin fans gives RESPECT were its due.
Facts
Unless the refs have something to say about it again
@@starsportscardshobbiesandm7222 That's the only thing to worry about is dem rigging the game for Lakers,not Honorable.
Joker gave the warriors all they can handle last year. He kept Denver in every game.
This is what the "Jokic got swept" haters can't seem to understand.
Without Murray
Kendrick Perkins, claiming racism is why Jokic won, and Mark Jackson, disgracefully leaving Jokic off his ballot, are both disgraceful for these acts. Both of them owe Jokic a public apology.
Jackson needs to lose his voting rights for this.
Agreed, mostly in the Mark Jackson thing because I don't think KP even knows what he's saying half the time. He just talks or yells enough to get espn to keep him.
Thank you for fan-splaining to all of those who just haven't watched NJ play. He's legendary. The same can't be said about JE. Thanks for breaking it down so eloquently.
Hoping that jokic gets his first ring. He freakin deserves it more than anyone playing right now. Butler also deserves it but jokic played out of his mind for the past 3 yrs and still remained humble. Never bragged, never cared for individual accolades, involved his teammates and never threw them under the bus. That’s what a perfect mvp should be.
You have to be completely clueless about basketball to think Embiid was a better player than Jokic this season. Jokic was not only the best player but he also had one of the strongest seasons in the history of the NBA and took the Nuggets to their first trophy. Either they have an agenda against Jokic or they don't know what good basketball is.
Great content 🥰 Jokic true MVP
I think the problem at this point with embiids injury excuse is that at some point if he is injured every playoffs that is playoff Embiid that is the only version we get so therefore whoever is making that injury excuse needs to realize that it is only valid for once or twice not when every playoff he is injured
It's the old Chris Paul excuse
word, availability is an ability
@@grnesalla4658I would argue it’s the most important ability. Can’t be the best player on the court when you’re mostly off the court.
The only difference is Embiid begged for that mvp award and choked in the playoffs while Jokic proved to everyone why he is the mvp without begging or any comments his game speaks for itself
Now imagine them two having the same treatment and aprox. equal amount of free throws.
The biggest steal of MVP award in NBA history!
Joker deserved it.
#KiaMVP
Jokic and my Nuggets gonna win it all hopefully 🙏🏽🙏🏽
As a non-American general NBA enjoyer, I hope you guys win it this year!
@@sipsisina either them or the heat
Done and done. Jokic got it!😅
This video came out before Jokic, and the Nuggets, handedly beat the Heat to win the championship, cementing himself as the REAL MVP. It is not even debatable.
It shouldn’t have been a debate to begin with.
Jokic 29 triple doubles this season
Embiid 1 triple double this season.
Jokic FIRST player in the history of the NBA to record 2000 points, 1000 rebounds and 500 assist in one season.
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It wasn't until perkins said what he said
@@Alex-vd1no I doubt that played as much of an impact like most people said.
Embiid has been bitching and moaning about it for years now
@@FreshPrincex4 Agreed. People were looking for ways to not give Joker 3 in a row, and most people thought perk was an idiot for saying that anyway, I don't know anyone who agreed with him. The media would have won that mvp for embiid regardless.
Embiid voters should be embarrassed for voting Embiid for MVP over Jokic.
Well the REAL MVP just won 🏆 the championship and finals MVP
Jokic let's his game do the talking while Embiid whined his way to get an MVP
It's so laughable that they chose Embid over Jokic. It's like the nba was determined to vote for anyone but not Jokic. Does the nba still have any credibility? It's not a sport but an entertainment competing with WWE. The nba of today is so pathetic.
I’m glad people are realizing this, Joel Embiid’s MVP will go down as the worst MVP in the history of Basketball and one of the biggest robberies in NBA history
Jokic is going home with a different MVP trophy this year. Finals MVP.
Hope so
@@danijelhorvat5586 You know what... I would like for Jamal to be FMVP. I guarantee, no one would be happy as Joker would be.
I know this hope jamal will play,game 1
You think they letting them past the king as the dude from taken said “Good Luck”😂
Western MVP in the bag...4 more to go
Jokic must have told this to embiid before the end of regular season.
- i'll give you the mvp, but nobody will talk about it lmao.
Embiid really cried when he receive the MVP LMAO
All that whining during the regular season paid off haha 😂😂😂
I would say in 2023 he accomplished his goal. Jokic’s has a different goal.
The voters are punks, Perkins put the word out vote Joker again and you all will be smeared as racist. Joker was EASILY the MVP and not just for his stats but his impact to the TEAM in a TEAM game.
Emibid can't talk shit to Jokic now, and he can never cry his way into Final MVP. It's gonna be real quiet next season
Must suck to be the woke mvp with an asterisk on your trophy. I agree. 2022-23 Joker is mvp for sure. Make another trophy.
Crazy when MVP rely so much on Old @ss Harden to save him in playoff...Dude didn't make anything significant to save 76ers in playoff
33 old???
@@rgonzalo511 33 years old are past prime age brother...Look at Harden dude , is he same Harden who play in Houston rockets....Some player can play in 33-38 years old but are they the same player when they in 26-30 years old....
@@mrboast2826 Jimmy Butler, Steph Curry, KD, LeBron James are all even older than 33 and their balling. 33 is not past your prime once you get to 35 okay fine
@@rgonzalo511 You know the term the exception confirms the rule...Just because some player can play in old age doesn't mean majority of other player can play in that age...Majority of NBA player can't play the same style after they reach 33-40 years old...
@@mrboast2826 I can name more.
Of course your style will change. Heck your style when your 24 is waaaay different than when your a young sprite 17 year old. Although nobody would say 24 is old. Players are constantly changing the way they play throughout their careers. Not just when they hit a certain age.
Joel MVpeed needs to thank Kendrick Perkins for that award!
Emvpiid
Embiid won the Most Valuable Perkins for that BS narrative he spouted
It was analysts like perk and Steven a pressuring voters by playing the race card and the constant whining by Embiid that got him that sympathy mvp
THE MVP DEBATE IS OVER
Sympathy MVP 🤣🤣🤣
Jokic sat out 6 games just before the MVP voting. He did this on purpose to avoid the toxic MVP discussions.
Jokic makes his teammates better too. That's an MVP
Ive always like Jokic more than Embiid just bc of the fact that he dominate a game without having to dominate a game by scoring. He can score less than 20 pts and his team can still come out on top just bc he facilitates the offense and makes others better. Plus hes just more consistant and he dosent take nearly as many jumpers a Embiid
From a statistician's point of view, sport is a solved problem. We have so much data, the only question is which metric should we be using (many since none are perfect). For Embiid and Jokic, it's especially easy since both are centers. According to Basketball Reference, in 2022-23:
Jokic beats Embiid in player efficiency rating, true shooting percentage, offensive rebound percentage, defensive rebound percentage, assist percentage, steal percentage, win shares per 48 minutes, offensive box plus minus, defensive box plus minus, and value over replacement.
Embiid beats Jokic in block percentage and turnover percentage.
I'm all for democracy and voting for nuanced questions. This one is not.
This is excellent content my brother. I agree with you 100% . I actually felt all year that either Gianni's or Jokich was the MVP. The only thing Embid seemed to care about the last 3 years is winning the MVP as opposed to winning a championship
Sixers 54-28; without Embiid 11-5 = 69%; whole season without Embiid 56-26; Nuggets 53-29; without Jokić 4-8 = 33.33%; whole season without Jokić 27-55. Everyone with a minimum one braincell can see who is the most VALUABLE player!!! Suggestion for Sixers: Get rid of Embiid, you might win a chip!
It's a really good point you made that the difference on offense is actually bigger than the gap on defense is, yet the media will talk about the latter consistently.
Agreed. He should have one it again but haters didn’t want to let him have it
It was never a debate. Embiid is the diversity MVP(ity)
Unnecessary racial implication.
@@byroncormier8532 He didn't start the implication.
@@byroncormier8532 Did you miss Kendrick Perkins racist tirade? Race had a huge part in Embiid winning the MVP.
@@byroncormier8532 You've got to be kidding, right? Lol
@@byroncormier8532 you that clown that highlight race when it's convenient and downplay race when it's about race.. FOH biden supporter
Your right however I known that for years.
But again you are so right about post MVP decision Embiid was horrible and Joker shut up all the racist and people who don’t watch the NBA
Thanks for the content.
There wasnt a debate. There was a robbery.
Jokic averaged a 30pt triple double with insane shooting averages. Embiid got served humble pie & tall glass of Karma
Affirmative Action MVP!!!
Embiid will forever be synonymous with the moment that the MVP title lost all meaning...
First MVP ever who's team was better with him off the court then on it!
Let that sink in when thinking about what MVP means... 🤔
He obtained the title by way of anti white, racist and toxically divisive identity politics..
Embiid should have an Asterix next to his name in the record books...
after this year, as the MVP prize has became a joke, I guess the Jocker is actually aiming to more substantial accolades to care about.
THE MVP, WATCHED THE REAL MVP IN THE FINALS, JOEL SHOULD HAD TOOK THAT MVP TROPHY HE WAS HANDED, AND HANDED IT TO JOKIC AFTER THE FINALS, AND SAID THIS IS YOURS, REAL MVP,s DONT ALLOW THEIR TEAM TO GET BOUNCED OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS IN THE 2nd ROUND!!!
Jokic already won by actually staying healthy throughout the career. Embiid at this point would fall apart if you even touch the guy.
Good job. All points valid. Embid's strained knee is being trotted out as an excuse. He couldn't move well on the perimeter they say. Ok, then why didn't he adapt by setting up in the post and just being 7'1"? Answer, he doesn't want to be a center. It's not flashy enough I guess. Jokic wants to be a center. The best center we've ever seen on the offensive end.
Okay, after this performance it's time for Embiid to pull a KD and go join the Celtics, it became clear he can't be the number one guy on a contender
i agree.. Horford need backup from bench.. he is litle bit old for 40+ min,he need rest 😁
Agree, he's Anthony Davis type of player. He absolutely can't be the no.1 on a Championship contender rosters.
The biggest difference I see between Jokic last year and Embiid this year is that without Jokic the nuggets would've been one of the worst teams in the NBA but they still managed to make the playoffs because of Jokic, while the 76rs could still probably make the playoffs without Embiid.
There is no way the 76ers make it to the playoffs without Embiid
Ancient Harden Tobias Harris and young Maxey wouldn't beat the Wizards in the 7 games series.
I never understood Embid winning MVP honors and played a pissed poor performance against the Celtics. Kendrick Perkins and all the analysts need to take a massive ass L.
I love the subtitle of the video and I am with it! A great player who complaints a lot vs a great player who says nothing just delivers!
When you say "What else do I have to do?", that means you are satisfied. Jokic is never satisfied. that is why he is always getting better in every way
To be out rebounded by a guard/small-forward as the MoSt DoMiNaNt CeNtEr of his generation is the icing on the cake. He deserved his MVP this year, just because he played better in the final games of the season. However, he is not THE PLAYER, players don't throw their teammates under the bus every year! No responsibility, no accountability whatsoever - he is not a man, he is a punk. So they should just rename his award to Most Whining Punk.
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As a Serb I'm a fan of Joker ofc, and it's pointless to waste any words about this year MPV election. But people, when will you stop messing regular season with the PO?!? The fact that Embiid and Jokic didn't make it to the PO finales DOES NOT diminish their performance in regular season. That's why PO has it's own MVP award!
And being promoted as MPV doesn't mean "the best player" but the most VALUABLE one, the one who makes a difference, the one who makes his teammates better, the one who contributed most for he's team winnings! And in that department Joker is alone, high above everyone else! PERIOD!
Let's be real, Perk call the race card, and the league gave it to Embiid out of pity.
FACTS! THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THAT MAN THREE . THE MVP STILL PLAYING.
We all knew Joker is the deserving MVP… but we can’t have him win 3 times in a row
Why ? lol that makes no sense.
That thinking is the exact problem with the award. It doesn't matter what happened the last two seasons, just this season.
@@kendricbaines2415 ask the voters lol… joker is better than embiid in all aspects of basketball.