I own 5 promasters, 4 gas models and 1 diesel. I also own 3 Transits, 2 with 3.7 and 1 with the 3.5. I have had transmission problems with all three Transits. I have had 1 cylinder head issue with 1 of the promasters. All of the Vans have over 250,000 miles. I prefer the promasters. Cheaper to buy and cheaper to repair better fuel mileage and better payload.
Having driven both as plumbing vans, I would hands take the transit ecoboost. Much more comfortable and better ride, plus with the ecoboost the fuel economy is much better. I regularly get 18mpg in the transit loaded up. With the promaster the v6 feels underpowered and transmission while worked felt like it was slipping on steep inclines. Definitely transit with ecoboost for me.
You are a salesman for the Promaster, not a reviewer. This is not a review its a sales pitch. So your title is misrepresentation. Title is misrepresented. Audio is amateur work and bad. Video is 240 resolution, which means you do not know how to load at higher res, or you own outdated filming equipment. And we should trust your biased 'review' of a van which has many documented (in these comments and other places on TH-cam) issues with the cheap plastic parts used in their suspension, as per unhappy Promaster owners. The fact that you have to make a pitch for this van based on a bumper design (incorrect assertion about the Transit), is sad.
Okay then, let me give you a real review from someone who owns the ProMaster. I have never owned a Ford Transit due to the plastic drive shaft coupling problems having to be replaced every 30,000 miles, and them breaking and causing transmission damage, so I stayed away from them. I have driven a 2014, 2015, 2018, ProMaster and now I own a 2019. I would not have bought the ProMaster if I didn't think it was a a very good van, because I move LTL freight all over the US and the van is my livelihood. I've heard many complaints about the Ford Transit because of the drive shaft coupling problem, and the ProMaster is not perfect it has its issues but they're very small in comparison to any major problems. These things are known for going 400,000 miles and more if they're well maintained. Many other people I know that drive the same van contracting with the same company are pretty happy with them as well. However I would like to add, that Ford has fixed the drive shaft coupling problems so the Ford Transit may be worth a second thought.
Because of cost I've been researching between the ProMaster and the Transit and this is the conclusion that I have come to; What I have determined is it is not a choice between the best one based on features, but rather which one SUCKS THE LEAST as evident by recalls and ongoing mechanical problems. However, I still haven't figured out which one that is.
@@hangngoaigiare the Nissan NV is the most reliable one. The problem is that they dont come with cargo space longer than 121". They dont meet the industry minimum of 3000 payload and 144" cargo length
Yessir. All of these manufacturers have switched to four and 6 cylinder engines with turbos and low torque and they simply don't cut it for a large number of us. You need that torque and you ideally would like to have your van last 200k. But the manufacturers only really care about fleet sales and streamlining production. It's not a technology race and it's not a boom in innovation, it's a race to the bottom. After 26 years of durable Ford Econolines I had to buy the Nissan NV3500 this year. It's the last year of the v8 even for the Nissan
I've read extensively about both vans and from what I've seen the Transit is the better built van. The promaster has many more issues than the Transit. That said, the Transit is not bullet proof either.
I drive a ProMaster for my job and we are now moving to the transits, the transits are way better in my opinion. And the whole front wheel drive thing sucks because all my tools are in the back and all my weight is in the back and towing trailers forget it. And I will say overall it's not a bad van I like the van the only thing I hate about it basically is it's front-wheel drive and it needs a big V8 so I could tow more
As a shop owner with contractors coming in to service or repair their vehicles (both of these that are being compared) hands down mechanically the Ford Transit 150 with V-6 is a better buy.
Hey, what would you tell a handyman business owner trying to decide between the Chevy Express and ram promaster? (definitely love the space in the promaster but don't want to be spending fortunes on maintenance/repairs)
Really? I have 20K on my `18 ProMaster and all my dealer has had to do is replace the slider gasket, fix an oil leak, and replace multiple cooling system parts... the front wheel drive and turning radius is great tho.
@@ks032310 From my personal experience, later model vehicles have engineered obsolescence an as such mechanically are weaker more prone to breakdowns and more expensive compare to yesteryear vehicles.
It's obvious the guy is selling Promasters, but that said my 2015 Promaster has been an outstanding vehicle. No major mechanical issues, gets close to 20 mpg on the highway and pulls my 7x12 enclosed trailer perfectly. I had driven Ford E Series vans for years and they were great, but I would never go back. The best part about the Promaster over the Transit is the powertrain has been used in so many Chrysler vehicles that years down the road if I ever need major engine or transmission work I can source one ridiculously cheap out of just about any of the FWD Chrysler products. The V6 is the same as those in the mini vans, Journey, Charger, etc.
hic i heard fucking all kind of opposite opinion. dont even know which one is which. ya i'm been driving ford van for 20 years and dont really happy with it try get over to ram. wish toyota make these kind of van shit
@@hangngoaigiare I think you should go with the Transit, the 3.7 is a pretty robust engine and was used in police interceptor versions of the Taurus and Explorer, so the engine is reliable besides some water pump issues, the transmission is also pretty good as long as you maintain the fluid, my dad has had put 100,000 miles on his and he bought it at 20k miles only issues were drive shaft coupler, rusted drive shaft, and a fuel pump.
I own transit and four years I only needed gas /oil one time brake pads and tons of washer fluid,, i love that van and glad i got it ,, read lot of promasters reviews/complaints about transmission etc,, oh and lets not even talk about design 🤣
My job has a Promaster that I drive regularly. It's 1 1/2 years old, 14000 miles. In that time... Engine malfunction twice, stock tires wore out in the first 5000 miles, transmission malfunction once, left headlight failed twice, power locks on cargo doors failed once, Chrysler fit and finish/quality has been exceedingly poor for years, this is not a "comparison"... I have no real opinion on the Transit because I've never had the opportunity to drive one, but I will say that Ford reliability has exceeded Chrysler for at least the last two decades.
well i never drive a ram van. i been driving a ford and chevy van. the ford i have is about 90k mile now since i got it new. it give me all kind of problem and noise and i can see lot of dump design since i can try fix it myself. so hope that promaster is better but look like it doesn't so sad. these dump engineers can't finger how to build thing last. i wish toyota build van. dont like the Nissan vans with so stupid shape.
Well I've driving neither. I fell into the Mercedes benz/ freightliner sprinter trap. They are even worse. Had a leaking transmission and engine problem only after 13,000 out of the dealer
@@hangngoaigiare also the Nissan are great! The problem is the NV has a cargo space of 121" and not 144". They are below the industry standard so you won't be able to fit 3 skids or 6 double stacks
Sooo, safe to say your pro Ram, ram bias. But your also assuming the Van's are sold for "construction " versus the ever growing popular van conversion (which is why I'm watching). So while I got some ideas to consider your discussion kind of makes me consider your points as negatives. Real wheel front wheel drive... conversions have more weight in the back. So according to you I want the transit. .. etc. Would be nice to have the slant regarding a conversion.
I have done tons of research the last few years for a dream van camper conversion build. MB Sprinter gets great mpg but only certain MB dealerships would work on it & have expensive hourly rates, plus when they break down, they cost a fortune to be fixed. Promaster has got great reviews by some, and negative from others but I typically stay away from Dodge/Fiat vehicles. A high roof Transit with diesel or eco-boost engine would be my first choice, everybody wants one and they are very hard to find
I am getting a WHOPPING 390 miles on my Promaster. Never should have imagined. Amazing!. One thing I really hate is the blind spot on the doors, Ford did get it better on the doors.
I have the Ford transit 150 cargo van...And I love it..22mpg. High wheel base,great ckearance,step up front. Love camping in it..super value for your dollar.
The problem with the Transit roof heights is the mid roof isn't tall enough to stand up in for anyone close to 6' tall, but the high roof transit is so tall it's overkill unless you're an NBA player. The Promaster high roof has 6'4" of clearance, but the overall height is far less than the high roof transit due to the lower floor height.
I just traded in my promaster , biggest piece of junk i have ever owned. Endless problems and no help from Fiat . I have always owned Chevy's very few problems. Now i just traded on a Transit . Much happier now . You want to ask any one who drives one . Not a salesman. I don't have enough time to list all my problems . Quick run down .Leak in Radiator 2 times . Tranny 3 times . Engine sensor 1 time. Brakes problems endless , dealer agreed he could not fix the brake light being on .6 headlights countless tail lights . Doors latches keep breaking .Side and and rear doors. The worst seat i have ever sat in .Like sitting on a toilet . Absolutely the worst in snow , Go down to a supply house or home-depot and ask someone who has one . Tires don't last .I traded as soon as my power train warranty was up . I drive mine , my employees would have really ruined it. Just got the 2018 Transit last week. time will tell but it cant be any worse the the Promaster
With me, GM has fell down everytime I buy one. Just junk; made out of cheaper metal than either Fomoco or Dodge. Also, ever see a pickup or van with one front wheel collapsed? I've seen many, many. It's always a GM brand. I go with Fords mainly because of the seat and driving position. Ford I can sitin all day anf get out and walk away. Others, I hoble, bent over for 30 minutes before I can straighten up.
I just left a company that has a whole fleet of Promasters. Most of them are under 30-thousand miles and they are utter GARBAGE. Sensors aren't working, airbag systems are faulty, and CV joints are bad.
@@Geno2733 Same experience with Promaster, within first 50 000 miles oil cooler leaking oil, 2 front cv joints bad, COUNTLESS front lights go bad, transmission goes bad twice, uncomfortable front seat for tall guy(5ft 11in and taller). Horrible van.
Based on contractor reviews it seems like the most reliable of all the vans is the Mercedes/Freightliner Sprinter. The problem with the Sprinter is that its expensive to buy and expensive to maintain. But sometimes it may payoff to spend extra on a van that will leave you with less downtime. Next on the list is the Express/Savana, then NV, then Transit, then ProMaster at the very bottom. It almost seems like FCA goes out of their way to hold the bottom spots of all these reliability lists whether its JD Power, Consumer Reports, or simply a bunch of contractors and service people giving reviews.
OK - this guy has lost some cred with me right off the start... Transit has a step in the front bumper too. Seem like he is just trying to make the Promaster look better... Fiat products are not know for super-reliability, and the reviews on the transmission on the Promaster reveal how scary it can be to drive one. I shopped both of these vehicles, and bought the Transit. Far superior, IMO.
When is Ram going to move the parking brake lever to the inside of the driver's seat. That handle is so dangerous. I was getting out of the ProMaster and the lever went up my pant leg. It left me dangling in air with no way off. My pants ripped up the leg and I was tossed to the pavement. Ram you owe me a new pair of shorts
I used to work as driver and had the chance of drive both and my conclusion is that the Transit is superior in almost every way but in winter snowy time where the Promaster has no problem at all going everywhere even in slipery roads.
This guy is what my grandfather used to call a Flim Flam artist. Pushing a crap product like it's a superior item is kinda disgusting. Not saying the Ford is a great van, but it will surely outlive the Ram. Also, as someone who drives on jobsites, none of these euro vans is ideal. RWD is superior in every situation save snow and it really only snows a few times every year. It's a silly argument and FWD was sold to the consumer purely for weight savings.
From the comments, neither the Promaster nor the Transit are good long term vehicles. And, if you can't get a good MB Sprinter, what other options are available? Seems a bit disconcerting that all products are trash.
@@Floof_Factory agreed. I’m an Amazon delivery driver and the vans in my company’s fleet are mixed between Sprinters, ProMasters, and Transits. One of the Sprinters needed a new transmission after only 13K miles! Not cheap I’m sure. Other companies’ fleets apparently heavily favor the ProMasters but IMO the Transit is the best overall.
A fellow contractor has deep regrets with his promaster. Has spent a pile of time in the shop and he tells me the dealer is into what would be +$30k in repairs had it not been under warranty. Shame shame.
My pro master had a defective radiator at 140 miles. Dodge installed a used one to replace it. Running lights leaked dodge never fixed. Alternator failed at 50k. Transmission failed at 91k. Pro master is shit. NEVER EVER BUY ONE.
That touch screen is also what the Promaster uses as it's backup camera display. The Ford's back up camera picture is displayed in the rear view mirror and is way smaller than the Promaster, and thus harder to make out details on, frankly.
Not true. I worked on both of them. The ram (Citroen Jumper in my case) was way more comfortable and build quality if not by much but still better. Both were european versions and both are 2l diesels with manual tans. On the other hand the Transit was a bit faster/stronger.
Front wheel drive is only an advantage when the van is empty! Around here tools stay in the van 24/7 , In the real world the transit is the better van by far.my brother fleet services all makes of Vans and these pro masters need front tires every 5000 miles on heavily loaded vans.They scuff from the lack of torque management and light weight front end when loaded. The cost to operate either of these vans for 150,000 miles of fleet use is much higher than ththe Chevy express van with the 4.3v6,4.8 V8 or 6.0 V8 they are much better vans and have very few problems .They handle being loaded to the max much better than the prostar and better than the transit. The transit isn’t as good a van as the econoline it replaced it was a much better van especially with the 4.6v8.
All i know is Ford has had a number of different factory recalls on the Transit van & I've seen none on the Ram Promaster so far. And i'm tracking from 2014 to 2018.
Recalls are a good thing. It means the vehicle isn't bad but the company is standing by it to make sure its near perfect. If FCA recalled their vehicles for every problem they had they would ask for a government bailout every week.
Really want a Promaster , the only thing is I can't upgrade the suspension , I need a better suspension for dirt road , another downfall is it can't be converted to 4x4 .
All Chrysler products are garbage . The pentastar in my Ram 1500 had check engine, limp mode, cam phaser issues in at least 4x under warranty they never could fix it and I had to turn in the 3 year lease ( $3000 at signing ) instead of the buy out option of only $22k. I lost tons of money and time. I called Chrysler customer number , they were no help dealer was rude... Never again . I hope you never sell a truck again and get what you have coming .....!!!
Well from reading all of your comments,sounds like the Promaster just SUCKS,i was getting ready to buy one,use it for transporting dirtbikes and my painting busness,, maybe i'll go with the Nissan Nv,,thanks guys.
Hi, would you recommend a handyman business owner trying to decide between the promaster and Chevy express, to stay away from the promaster? Or is it worth the hassle? Thanks!
@@ks032310 promaster is a French design built in Mexico. It's fairly new to the US and like any other new whatever....it's going to have it's issues an bugs. Hopefully the French keeps mindful of these issues and makes them better on the future yrs. So...to answer your question...the Chevrolet is absolutely more reliable. Good luck
Hey good dealer meeting , but 15’000 miles with transmission problems is not Aceptable ,right head light with water damage is not acceptable either , So you are the shiper van yes 👍. Always are room to improve better product .
you can talk good all day about it but does it last and dont give people problem thats key. The big problem I have with this promaster is the gas pedal they build it so you have to push down instead of push from rear to front to increase gas. that's so uncomfortable and it will be a big problem if people have to do that all day. I just asking myself what the hell is going on with that kind of design movement? why?
The Bluetooth in the pro master will disconnect but the Bluetooth in the transit will not disconnect The pro master also high speed is 70 The Ford transit top speed is 98 mph
fiat and peugeot badged as a ram interesting, its proven time and time again that front wheel drive is no good for heavy loads it beats out the drive shafts this is why ford offer both front wheel drive and rear wheel drive although im not sure on the usa built transit ( we now have the custom) which is frontwheel drive sadly now built in turkey , the older v184 v183 347 348 had either also all transits in europe get bluetooth sat nav touch screens and quickclear windscreens so no need to step up , he is not doing a like for like comparison and is clearly selling the ram , in the uk we badge a vauxhall van called a movano built in luton england as renault fiat nissan and now owned by peugeot hows that for international marketing
Front wheel drive sucks in Florida sugar sand when your used to rear wheel drive and you forget and you pull off pavement in the front 😂 😂 seen it happens all the time for a company I used to worked for lol. Dude said I kept the rear wheels on the pavement though. 😂
The promaster Driverseat is too high..a tall person is looking into the sun visor...This is a major screw up...it should be lowered ..or be able to be ...this has been major complaint....So make a change already .???
He looks 5'4 Ford vs Fiat no need for discussion. I dont see the fact that Dodge Dealers only few work on these Van's. If your going to buy a promaster..first ask your dealer if they will fix and service it. Get it in writing
What comparison? This dude is a salesman for the Promaster. What I will say is that in nearly 220K over the road in a '17 Ford Transit 250 cargo van, beware of the Transit. It's TERRIBLE in the snow even hauling 2K in customer's freight. Grade: F- . Exercise extreme caution running empty. There's issues with the rear axle, two recalls with the drive shaft, the seats squeak, and the baffles within the muffler rattle. Good luck in your search.
Yeah I heard for the rear differentials its bad. Als for snow, you definitely want to get bfg ko2 tires or chains. They last longer. Also upgrade the suspensions from the stock to a bilstien shocks
They are both unreliable vehicles. This motor and trans is the same as the mini van. Ram is under powered and has a trans problem. They are also terrible off pavement. The transit has torque converter, motor, trans, and sensor problems. GM makes the best tower and power train, but no high roof. The oil consumption issue is a minefield. Maybe a GM van with an after market high roof or cut away box is the answer, before they try to be an unreliable sprinter too. I have been a ram driver my whole adult life and I’m 60. My ram 1500 4x4 had it’s transmission replace under extended warranty, at 100,000 miles. It is having an intermittent shift problem again at 132,000 miles. They can not get it to do it, in a five minute drive, so they can’t / won’t fix it. Hemi’s are another issue. I had the exhaust manifold clicking fixed a couple times. I am happy I haven’t had the lifter roller pin problem yet. A lot of my friends did have that issue. I can not buy another tow vehicle because prices are now through the roof, and all three car companies are selling unreliability. So I am driving on borrowed time. All the diesels have the garbage DEV systems: also unreliable. The new hundred gears transmission are also not reliable. A guess a used is the answer.
The ram pro master is sure damn ugly but I do give them credit for providing cargo van competition for its consumers. GM unfortunately can’t come up with nothing at this point 🤷♂️
how does one get a job doing this sort of thing i think this is something i would be extreamly good at doing every one says i can convince them to buy anything lol
Great competitive walk around! Well done!
@Smoke weed every day Blazing 420 I only think its because of its looks. The Ram is ugly as hell!!!
Can not even watch anymore of this . He is absolutely a rep for the Promaster .
I own 5 promasters, 4 gas models and 1 diesel. I also own 3 Transits, 2 with 3.7 and 1 with the 3.5. I have had transmission problems with all three Transits. I have had 1 cylinder head issue with 1 of the promasters. All of the Vans have over 250,000 miles. I prefer the promasters. Cheaper to buy and cheaper to repair better fuel mileage and better payload.
Which gave our first? The promaster cylinder head or the transit transmission?
Having driven both as plumbing vans, I would hands take the transit ecoboost. Much more comfortable and better ride, plus with the ecoboost the fuel economy is much better. I regularly get 18mpg in the transit loaded up. With the promaster the v6 feels underpowered and transmission while worked felt like it was slipping on steep inclines. Definitely transit with ecoboost for me.
@@Floof_Factory the transit transmissions.
Bob you the man
You are a salesman for the Promaster, not a reviewer. This is not a review its a sales pitch. So your title is misrepresentation.
Title is misrepresented.
Audio is amateur work and bad.
Video is 240 resolution, which means you do not know how to load at higher res, or you own outdated filming equipment.
And we should trust your biased 'review' of a van which has many documented (in these comments and other places on TH-cam) issues with the cheap plastic parts used in their suspension, as per unhappy Promaster owners. The fact that you have to make a pitch for this van based on a bumper design (incorrect assertion about the Transit), is sad.
Okay then, let me give you a real review from someone who owns the ProMaster. I have never owned a Ford Transit due to the plastic drive shaft coupling problems having to be replaced every 30,000 miles, and them breaking and causing transmission damage, so I stayed away from them. I have driven a 2014, 2015, 2018, ProMaster and now I own a 2019. I would not have bought the ProMaster if I didn't think it was a a very good van, because I move LTL freight all over the US and the van is my livelihood. I've heard many complaints about the Ford Transit because of the drive shaft coupling problem, and the ProMaster is not perfect it has its issues but they're very small in comparison to any major problems. These things are known for going 400,000 miles and more if they're well maintained. Many other people I know that drive the same van contracting with the same company are pretty happy with them as well. However I would like to add, that Ford has fixed the drive shaft coupling problems so the Ford Transit may be worth a second thought.
@@Sarasdad91 Good to know. I stand corrected. The Promaster had some cheap components that people were not happy with, so my bias formed.
Exactly what I was thinking
"I'm in upstate New York; "we measure our FEET in SNOW." You're killing me.
I caught tht too 😭😭😭
New York...bless his heart
His credibility was shot the moment he said the Transit didn't have a step to get to the windshield.
Because of cost I've been researching between the ProMaster and the Transit and this is the conclusion that I have come to;
What I have determined is it is not a choice between the best one based on features, but rather which one SUCKS THE LEAST as evident by recalls and ongoing mechanical problems.
However, I still haven't figured out which one that is.
agree. these are working van that need to be least problem and last not a comfort junk.
@@hangngoaigiare the Nissan NV is the most reliable one. The problem is that they dont come with cargo space longer than 121". They dont meet the industry minimum of 3000 payload and 144" cargo length
Yessir. All of these manufacturers have switched to four and 6 cylinder engines with turbos and low torque and they simply don't cut it for a large number of us. You need that torque and you ideally would like to have your van last 200k. But the manufacturers only really care about fleet sales and streamlining production. It's not a technology race and it's not a boom in innovation, it's a race to the bottom. After 26 years of durable Ford Econolines I had to buy the Nissan NV3500 this year. It's the last year of the v8 even for the Nissan
I've read extensively about both vans and from what I've seen the Transit is the better built van. The promaster has many more issues than the Transit. That said, the Transit is not bullet proof either.
It sounds like he's a Ram salesman.I don't think that this is a fair assessment but more so a sales pitch..
He is training Dodge salesmen to fall in love with PM. Go to the promaster forum and see what they talk about.
Why did you upload at 240 res ? this vid is not watchable. Learn how to upload at HD !!
I drive a ProMaster for my job and we are now moving to the transits, the transits are way better in my opinion. And the whole front wheel drive thing sucks because all my tools are in the back and all my weight is in the back and towing trailers forget it. And I will say overall it's not a bad van I like the van the only thing I hate about it basically is it's front-wheel drive and it needs a big V8 so I could tow more
Hi, do you have any update on how you're liking (or not liking) your promaster? I'm trying to decide between RAM promaster and Chevy express
The volunteer jumping up the van walks like a zombie, really ; D 9:29
As a shop owner with contractors coming in to service or repair their vehicles (both of these that are being compared) hands down mechanically the Ford Transit 150 with V-6 is a better buy.
Hey, what would you tell a handyman business owner trying to decide between the Chevy Express and ram promaster? (definitely love the space in the promaster but don't want to be spending fortunes on maintenance/repairs)
@@ks032310 To many mechanical and electrical issues with Pro Master 3.6 whereas the Ford Transit is just the preventive maintenance things.
Really? I have 20K on my `18 ProMaster and all my dealer has had to do is replace the slider gasket, fix an oil leak, and replace multiple cooling system parts... the front wheel drive and turning radius is great tho.
@@ks032310 From my personal experience, later model vehicles have engineered obsolescence an as such mechanically are weaker more prone to breakdowns and more expensive compare to yesteryear vehicles.
It's obvious the guy is selling Promasters, but that said my 2015 Promaster has been an outstanding vehicle. No major mechanical issues, gets close to 20 mpg on the highway and pulls my 7x12 enclosed trailer perfectly. I had driven Ford E Series vans for years and they were great, but I would never go back. The best part about the Promaster over the Transit is the powertrain has been used in so many Chrysler vehicles that years down the road if I ever need major engine or transmission work I can source one ridiculously cheap out of just about any of the FWD Chrysler products. The V6 is the same as those in the mini vans, Journey, Charger, etc.
hic i heard fucking all kind of opposite opinion. dont even know which one is which. ya i'm been driving ford van for 20 years and dont really happy with it try get over to ram. wish toyota make these kind of van shit
@@hangngoaigiare I think you should go with the Transit, the 3.7 is a pretty robust engine and was used in police interceptor versions of the Taurus and Explorer, so the engine is reliable besides some water pump issues, the transmission is also pretty good as long as you maintain the fluid, my dad has had put 100,000 miles on his and he bought it at 20k miles only issues were drive shaft coupler, rusted drive shaft, and a fuel pump.
Just got me the ecoboost transit a couple of days ago. I'm pretty sure I made the right choice.
I own transit and four years I only needed gas /oil one time brake pads and tons of washer fluid,, i love that van and glad i got it ,, read lot of promasters reviews/complaints about transmission etc,, oh and lets not even talk about design 🤣
My job has a Promaster that I drive regularly. It's 1 1/2 years old, 14000 miles. In that time...
Engine malfunction twice, stock tires wore out in the first 5000 miles, transmission malfunction once, left headlight failed twice, power locks on cargo doors failed once, Chrysler fit and finish/quality has been exceedingly poor for years, this is not a "comparison"...
I have no real opinion on the Transit because I've never had the opportunity to drive one, but I will say that Ford reliability has exceeded Chrysler for at least the last two decades.
well i never drive a ram van. i been driving a ford and chevy van. the ford i have is about 90k mile now since i got it new. it give me all kind of problem and noise and i can see lot of dump design since i can try fix it myself. so hope that promaster is better but look like it doesn't so sad. these dump engineers can't finger how to build thing last. i wish toyota build van. dont like the Nissan vans with so stupid shape.
Well I've driving neither. I fell into the Mercedes benz/ freightliner sprinter trap. They are even worse. Had a leaking transmission and engine problem only after 13,000 out of the dealer
@@hangngoaigiare also the Nissan are great! The problem is the NV has a cargo space of 121" and not 144". They are below the industry standard so you won't be able to fit 3 skids or 6 double stacks
Sooo, safe to say your pro Ram, ram bias. But your also assuming the Van's are sold for "construction " versus the ever growing popular van conversion (which is why I'm watching). So while I got some ideas to consider your discussion kind of makes me consider your points as negatives. Real wheel front wheel drive... conversions have more weight in the back. So according to you I want the transit. .. etc. Would be nice to have the slant regarding a conversion.
Go ahead buy it...
#VANLIFE
I have done tons of research the last few years for a dream van camper conversion build. MB Sprinter gets great mpg but only certain MB dealerships would work on it & have expensive hourly rates, plus when they break down, they cost a fortune to be fixed. Promaster has got great reviews by some, and negative from others but I typically stay away from Dodge/Fiat vehicles. A high roof Transit with diesel or eco-boost engine would be my first choice, everybody wants one and they are very hard to find
Anyone have issues with the ram rusting? How does the rust warranty compare to Ford transit?
well damn.
This dude needs a raise. and I mean a big fuck!ng raise.
I am getting a WHOPPING 390 miles on my Promaster. Never should have imagined. Amazing!. One thing I really hate is the blind spot on the doors, Ford did get it better on the doors.
I've hit 400 miles in my ford
My Promaster has been a nightmare to keep running-----make sure you can find someone who is Promaster certified . Long list of things breaking on mine
Was planning on getting one in the next few days. Might not now.
@@pshycoghp get the Transit,!
Get the 2019 Sprinter
Whats your long list?
Sales pitch for RAM and not a very good one.
Only a couple of minutes in and he starts saying 'we', 'our' and 'us', busted.
Free advert for Ford!
I have the Ford transit 150 cargo van...And I love it..22mpg. High wheel base,great ckearance,step up front. Love camping in it..super value for your dollar.
How can the Ram only having 2 roof heights VS Transit's have 3 options be an advantage for the Ram?
The problem with the Transit roof heights is the mid roof isn't tall enough to stand up in for anyone close to 6' tall, but the high roof transit is so tall it's overkill unless you're an NBA player. The Promaster high roof has 6'4" of clearance, but the overall height is far less than the high roof transit due to the lower floor height.
I just traded in my promaster , biggest piece of junk i have ever owned. Endless problems and no help from Fiat . I have always owned Chevy's very few problems. Now i just traded on a Transit . Much happier now . You want to ask any one who drives one . Not a salesman. I don't have enough time to list all my problems . Quick run down .Leak in Radiator 2 times . Tranny 3 times . Engine sensor 1 time. Brakes problems endless , dealer agreed he could not fix the brake light being on .6 headlights countless tail lights . Doors latches keep breaking .Side and and rear doors. The worst seat i have ever sat in .Like sitting on a toilet . Absolutely the worst in snow , Go down to a supply house or home-depot and ask someone who has one . Tires don't last .I traded as soon as my power train warranty was up . I drive mine , my employees would have really ruined it. Just got the 2018 Transit last week. time will tell but it cant be any worse the the Promaster
Thanks for the input.
Its between the promaster or the Nissan nv. I Still have some more home work to-do
With me, GM has fell down everytime I buy one. Just junk; made out of cheaper metal than either Fomoco or Dodge. Also, ever see a pickup or van with one front wheel collapsed? I've seen many, many. It's always a GM brand. I go with Fords mainly because of the seat and driving position. Ford I can sitin all day anf get out and walk away. Others, I hoble, bent over for 30 minutes before I can straighten up.
I just left a company that has a whole fleet of Promasters. Most of them are under 30-thousand miles and they are utter GARBAGE. Sensors aren't working, airbag systems are faulty, and CV joints are bad.
@@Geno2733 Same experience with Promaster, within first 50 000 miles oil cooler leaking oil, 2 front cv joints bad, COUNTLESS front lights go bad, transmission goes bad twice, uncomfortable front seat for tall guy(5ft 11in and taller). Horrible van.
Based on contractor reviews it seems like the most reliable of all the vans is the Mercedes/Freightliner Sprinter. The problem with the Sprinter is that its expensive to buy and expensive to maintain. But sometimes it may payoff to spend extra on a van that will leave you with less downtime. Next on the list is the Express/Savana, then NV, then Transit, then ProMaster at the very bottom. It almost seems like FCA goes out of their way to hold the bottom spots of all these reliability lists whether its JD Power, Consumer Reports, or simply a bunch of contractors and service people giving reviews.
Translation: higher commission on the Ram
What about crash safety for drivers. Nobody talks about how safe these are in accidents
OK - this guy has lost some cred with me right off the start... Transit has a step in the front bumper too. Seem like he is just trying to make the Promaster look better... Fiat products are not know for super-reliability, and the reviews on the transmission on the Promaster reveal how scary it can be to drive one. I shopped both of these vehicles, and bought the Transit. Far superior, IMO.
Junk
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Promaster JUNK
When is Ram going to move the parking brake lever to the inside of the driver's seat. That handle is so dangerous. I was getting out of the ProMaster and the lever went up my pant leg. It left me dangling in air with no way off. My pants ripped up the leg and I was tossed to the pavement. Ram you owe me a new pair of shorts
Junk. Cables rust and seize at 70k miles. Not covered
I heard you can’t see the dash because the steering wheel is in the way.
And it doesnt tilt
Who is going to have all wheel drive first
Ford has awd
Opinions are like but holes, everyone has one. What is an issue with one is not an issue with another. Show me major downs or ups not a sale job.
I wanna know whats the milidge expedition is on the moater and trany for the dodge
Transit all day long. Europe can't be wrong
I used to work as driver and had the chance of drive both and my conclusion is that the Transit is superior in almost every way but in winter snowy time where the Promaster has no problem at all going everywhere even in slipery roads.
This guy is what my grandfather used to call a Flim Flam artist. Pushing a crap product like it's a superior item is kinda disgusting. Not saying the Ford is a great van, but it will surely outlive the Ram. Also, as someone who drives on jobsites, none of these euro vans is ideal. RWD is superior in every situation save snow and it really only snows a few times every year. It's a silly argument and FWD was sold to the consumer purely for weight savings.
Your biased. You’re obviously a fiat salesman
From the comments, neither the Promaster nor the Transit are good long term vehicles. And, if you can't get a good MB Sprinter, what other options are available? Seems a bit disconcerting that all products are trash.
Gotta say I was all in on the Promaster but now find myself totally confused.
@@danglassphoto me too shit
Mercedes benz/freightliners are awful. They have Chrysler engines. And they are significantly more expensive. Not worth it.
@@Floof_Factory agreed. I’m an Amazon delivery driver and the vans in my company’s fleet are mixed between Sprinters, ProMasters, and Transits. One of the Sprinters needed a new transmission after only 13K miles! Not cheap I’m sure. Other companies’ fleets apparently heavily favor the ProMasters but IMO the Transit is the best overall.
A fellow contractor has deep regrets with his promaster. Has spent a pile of time in the shop and he tells me the dealer is into what would be +$30k in repairs had it not been under warranty. Shame shame.
Which does better in snow?
My pro master had a defective radiator at 140 miles. Dodge installed a used one to replace it. Running lights leaked dodge never fixed. Alternator failed at 50k. Transmission failed at 91k.
Pro master is shit. NEVER EVER BUY ONE.
2019
That was a 2014-15 never buy a first generation
Arman Shaaban correct. It was a 14. Bought it new Dec of 2014
I think they're both ugly but I would take the Ford any day over the Dodge
Do you really need a touch screen radio
That touch screen is also what the Promaster uses as it's backup camera display. The Ford's back up camera picture is displayed in the rear view mirror and is way smaller than the Promaster, and thus harder to make out details on, frankly.
ford transit much better comfort faster bigger taller.
Not true. I worked on both of them. The ram (Citroen Jumper in my case) was way more comfortable and build quality if not by much but still better. Both were european versions and both are 2l diesels with manual tans. On the other hand the Transit was a bit faster/stronger.
taller sucks donkey balls in a windy area. yes its more comforable and lights better.. but go those danm transit vans stuck in snow constantly
Front wheel drive is only an advantage when the van is empty! Around here tools stay in the van 24/7 , In the real world the transit is the better van by far.my brother fleet services all makes of Vans and these pro masters need front tires every 5000 miles on heavily loaded vans.They scuff from the lack of torque management and light weight front end when loaded. The cost to operate either of these vans for 150,000 miles of fleet use is much higher than ththe Chevy express van with the 4.3v6,4.8 V8 or 6.0 V8 they are much better vans and have very few problems .They handle being loaded to the max much better than the prostar and better than the transit. The transit isn’t as good a van as the econoline it replaced it was a much better van especially with the 4.6v8.
John DiMartino front wheel superior in snow
If you have alot of daily heavy wieght you may want the chevy express but you can't beat the Promaster for volume.
John DiMartino 丨
The problem is chevy express dont have high tops. And nissan NVs aren't long enough, like 23 inches short of the industry standard
I use these at my workplace and they're falling apart already at 30km....
Which one? The promaster or the transit?
@@Floof_Factory promaster
Difference is I can actually look at a Transit without cringing
I love promasters 🎉
All i know is Ford has had a number of different factory recalls on the Transit van & I've seen none on the Ram Promaster so far. And i'm tracking from 2014 to 2018.
They cant recall the whole van so they patch it up, or try to..its not even a Dodge...its a friggin FIAT
Recalls are a good thing. It means the vehicle isn't bad but the company is standing by it to make sure its near perfect. If FCA recalled their vehicles for every problem they had they would ask for a government bailout every week.
Lmao Ronald!
Gees could this salesman reach any harder? Ugly bumpers, that's an advantage?
Front wheel drive? That doesn’t convince me.
I took a test drive of that promaster made me appreciate my sprinter even more now. Thanks but no thanks
Really want a Promaster , the only thing is I can't upgrade the suspension , I need a better suspension for dirt road , another downfall is it can't be converted to 4x4 .
Stay away
I'll take that into consideration @@chriscxtreme
Try to see if you can get bilstien suspension. Also upgrade the tires to bfg ko2s if they are compatible
This so pro,pro master see ya.
This is pro master training video so.. of course it's going to be pro Dodge lol. If you watched a Ford training video it would be so pro Ford 🙄
The promaster looks like a European (French) van (PSA group?)
that where it all start. i think its a better idea than the old american design. we can stand up right in it. just be careful not doing sharp turn
All Chrysler products are garbage . The pentastar in my Ram 1500 had check engine, limp mode, cam phaser issues in at least 4x under warranty they never could fix it and I had to turn in the 3 year lease ( $3000 at signing ) instead of the buy out option of only $22k. I lost tons of money and time. I called Chrysler customer number , they were no help dealer was rude... Never again . I hope you never sell a truck again and get what you have coming .....!!!
Both unreliable. It's too bad we can get a Chevy Express with a Euro box design.
after driving both on job they both have there faults.. but promaster is far better.
Why?
Well from reading all of your comments,sounds like the Promaster just SUCKS,i was getting ready to buy one,use it for transporting dirtbikes and my painting busness,, maybe i'll go with the Nissan Nv,,thanks guys.
Transit!
Can't stand HACK abnoxious sales people...
I have a promaster..I really like it. It is however a very unreliable van.. I think it needs revamping by means of better quality
Hi, would you recommend a handyman business owner trying to decide between the promaster and Chevy express, to stay away from the promaster? Or is it worth the hassle? Thanks!
@@ks032310 promaster is a French design built in Mexico. It's fairly new to the US and like any other new whatever....it's going to have it's issues an bugs. Hopefully the French keeps mindful of these issues and makes them better on the future yrs.
So...to answer your question...the Chevrolet is absolutely more reliable.
Good luck
Transit has bumper step to
No mention of the 💩ty side door latch in the Ram. Or the extra 💩ty transmission in the Ram.(maybe addressed with the 9sp now).
Hey good dealer meeting , but 15’000 miles with transmission problems is not Aceptable ,right head light with water damage is not acceptable either ,
So you are the shiper van yes 👍. Always are room to improve better product .
Ford has power but hey, ram has Bluetooth.?
We measure our feet in rain, here...
Step in bumper? But lots of gas with money saved instead of purchasing the extra power? I’d take the extra power any day and twice on Sunday!
Wich one is the ugliest.
I drive a 2017 Promaster that is horrible in the snow .
you can talk good all day about it but does it last and dont give people problem thats key. The big problem I have with this promaster is the gas pedal they build it so you have to push down instead of push from rear to front to increase gas. that's so uncomfortable and it will be a big problem if people have to do that all day. I just asking myself what the hell is going on with that kind of design movement? why?
The Bluetooth in the pro master will disconnect but the Bluetooth in the transit will not disconnect The pro master also high speed is 70 The Ford transit top speed is 98 mph
Thank You
Ford Transit is the Best forever!!!
so..... new yorkers measure their feet in snow? and here i am using a ruler....
fiat and peugeot badged as a ram interesting, its proven time and time again that front wheel drive is no good for heavy loads it beats out the drive shafts this is why ford offer both front wheel drive and rear wheel drive although im not sure on the usa built transit ( we now have the custom) which is frontwheel drive sadly now built in turkey , the older v184 v183 347 348 had either also all transits in europe get bluetooth sat nav touch screens and quickclear windscreens so no need to step up , he is not doing a like for like comparison and is clearly selling the ram , in the uk we badge a vauxhall van called a movano built in luton england as renault fiat nissan and now owned by peugeot hows that for international marketing
He should talk about the junk fiat transmission. He should talk about the superior horsepower and torque from the Ford 3.5
If I could pick up a good used Transit and get any motor..yes the 3.5...Sips gas and can leave a V10 in the dust..just not both@ the same time
We are on transmission x2. It broke today!
You mean ecoboost engine? I heard it has a lot of problems
Dodge it says it all in the name
Lol
Once you go,Ford transit..you will never go back....Ford transit voted number one platforms for conversions.
By whom?
@@danglassphoto voted number one,by Mercedes-Benz mechanic
Lot more conversion companies doing Transits than Rams
Front wheel drive sucks in Florida sugar sand when your used to rear wheel drive and you forget and you pull off pavement in the front 😂 😂 seen it happens all the time for a company I used to worked for lol. Dude said I kept the rear wheels on the pavement though. 😂
MB vans rust buckets.. Dodges. Buy your parts in the Tupperware department at Walmart. Ford Transit does what it was designed for.
Sorry new transit is AWD your promaster is done
Is AWD necessary for carrying loads? I mostly am on the highway.
The promaster Driverseat is too high..a tall person is looking into the sun visor...This is a major screw up...it should be lowered ..or be able to be ...this has been major complaint....So make a change already .???
exactly way too high and now way to get lower i think. another thing is the gas pedal need press down thats dump
Tilt wheel would fix that. Maybe it will be offered by 2025.
He looks 5'4 Ford vs Fiat no need for discussion.
I dont see the fact that Dodge Dealers only few work on these Van's. If your going to buy a promaster..first ask your dealer if they will fix and service it.
Get it in writing
2021 and still cant get tilt wheel. ! And only a 6 speed trans. Transit has 10 speed for mileage. Ram sucks on a long trip.
Pro Master is Fiat. When in our life times has Fiat produced a reliable vehicle?
What comparison? This dude is a salesman for the Promaster.
What I will say is that in nearly 220K over the road in a '17 Ford Transit 250 cargo van, beware of the Transit.
It's TERRIBLE in the snow even hauling 2K in customer's freight. Grade: F- . Exercise extreme caution running empty. There's issues with the rear axle, two recalls with the drive shaft, the seats squeak, and the baffles within the muffler rattle.
Good luck in your search.
Yeah I heard for the rear differentials its bad. Als for snow, you definitely want to get bfg ko2 tires or chains. They last longer. Also upgrade the suspensions from the stock to a bilstien shocks
ive driven lots of transits they are nice i want to drive a promaster check it out
Let's not forget the RAM is front wheel drive with 3 inches of ground clearance under the real solid axle. Oh ya and it's a FIAT!!!
lol. If the axle is only 3 inches off the ground, then the tire must be about 6 inches in diameter. What are you smoking?
@@marks6663 look at it next time your behind one. The rear axle is offset. Like the opposite of a portal axle.
I saw one today it looks so unnatural
crap audio
Both European vans Transit best selling van in Europe but with dev
Skip this video, its video quality makes my eyes sick
Transit all they way. Won't touch the Fiat Promaster.
They are both unreliable vehicles.
This motor and trans is the same as the mini van.
Ram is under powered and has a trans problem.
They are also terrible off pavement.
The transit has torque converter, motor, trans, and sensor problems.
GM makes the best tower and power train, but no high roof. The oil consumption issue is a minefield. Maybe a GM van with an after market high roof or cut away box is the answer, before they try to be an unreliable sprinter too.
I have been a ram driver my whole adult life and I’m 60.
My ram 1500 4x4 had it’s transmission replace under extended warranty, at 100,000 miles.
It is having an intermittent shift problem again at 132,000 miles. They can not get it to do it, in a five minute drive, so they can’t / won’t fix it. Hemi’s are another issue. I had the exhaust manifold clicking fixed a couple times.
I am happy I haven’t had the lifter roller pin problem yet.
A lot of my friends did have that issue.
I can not buy another tow vehicle because prices are now through the roof,
and all three car companies are selling unreliability.
So I am driving on borrowed time.
All the diesels have the garbage DEV systems: also unreliable.
The new hundred gears transmission are also not reliable.
A guess a used is the answer.
This guy loves promastets seems to hate the transit
The ram pro master is sure damn ugly but I do give them credit for providing cargo van competition for its consumers. GM unfortunately can’t come up with nothing at this point 🤷♂️
Good sales pitch but my ram 1500 was a turd.
Pro Masters are straight up junk period. Don’t even know where to start. I’m 6,5 no one my size can fit in that pro master cab.
Hes a fake
how does one get a job doing this sort of thing i think this is something i would be extreamly good at doing every one says i can convince them to buy anything lol
learn to type first