I don't know why, but an org being destroyed by 2 early twenty year olds with the political acumen of trout scheming to join a notoriously corrupt and inept org, as well as the insanley incompetant decision by Heroic not sticking with Cadian is just hilarious to me Its like every actor in the story just picked the worst dialogue options in the dialogue tree and it led to the outcome which made everyone look like absolute clowns
dupreeh has been the only shining thing to come out of this mess so far, even if he doesn't make it passed December on heroic, their stupidity can't be blamed on him
Fr bro believed in his teammates no matter what and even the infamous jabbi copypasta just looks sad now whenever I see it. He got fucked over so hard and I hope he does find true joy on liquid cuz how can you not wish for the best for him. He just seems so genuine and lovable
mine does as well as everything he built in heroic just came crumbling down in what felt like seconds, but at the same time he gets to join a better richer org where he'll make more money, working with better players so really the only persons who's won from this is cadian
Fully on board with the heroic angle of yours. People think heroic is fucked. But let's be honest, heroic has astralis by the balls aswell and should use that: astralis NEEDS a good roster for the Copenhagen major. That's closer than 10 months. No stabbi no party for them, who else could they get? Heroic could really leave them out in the rain. Also I just fucking pray for cadian that his new team (liquid) gives him the trophies he deserves, one of the best personalitys in the space!
I don't agree with the "a player should just retire" Don't get me wrong i know they get washed and what not, but this is the one thing they love and know how to do, its hard to move on and "retire" when you are barely into your 30's so i'm not surprised when they keep pushing until no team will want them, many of them know they won't be coaches or analyst or don't have the personality or desire to go into streaming and question "what i'm going to do next" now i do blame orgs for keeping them in rotation even if some of them look like they don't want to practice but I don't blame the player for going for it
In traditional sports players in this position go play for a tier 2 team, they get paid a lot so their name and brand is used to sell jerseys and recruit up and coming players. However the esports scene is ridiculously top heavy, so instead of doing this, in order to keep making the money they are used to they must stay in the top tier orgs depriving slots from players who actually want to be there. There is no avenue for players in dupreeh's position to continue their career without doing it this way. Honestly I couldn't tell you why that is.
Benchski dropped a subtle hint about the hidden benefit to Astralis, when he partially admitted that: When these players ruin their reputation, now Astralis can offer them a reduced contract (on top of the reduction they already have for being 'Astralis')
In the new series Cadians heroic, he does say that it's not the first time Astralis was trying to get their players, so I guess the others was just smarter
Hhahaha WOW! Im getting really good at this! I remember commenting to someone about this subject that I think Jabbi and Stavn gave their ultimatum because they thought Heroic would never agree so that they could hop over to astralis, turns out I'm right! Feels fucking good man.
Stavn and Jabbi have been absolute little s*itheads in this plus the fact that THEY have been the ones who have not been performing in the big moments. Stavn is the bigest star player in CS withkut actually delivering the star play actually. What a ljoke of a "star" player.
heroic was last few years a team i thought who always stick together, and the guys actually are liking each other genuinly. cadian is a guy that makes me still watch cs after 20 years of cs to be honest. you might not like him, but the energy he puts into the esports is everything for me. there is guys is like that are completely silent compared to him, but i see them on the same level effort-wise. we dont know what really happened, but i feel bad for cadian. i bet he thought he goes through everything with these guys, and then they bitch move him. he dont deserve that in the slightest.
I just want these hero legend players to build up the scene, and give the young players the knowledge and insight on playing the game at a high level. IN NORTH AMERICA WE HAVE NOBODY DOING THAT TO HELP US PAST TIER 1. WHERE ARE ALL THE VETERANS HERE? WE HAVE NOBODY THAT WANTS TO STICK AROUND AND DEVELOP ARGUABLY ONE OF THE WEAKEST REGIONS. It's not like any other region has those veterans who actually want to help out either. Brazil is no different and possibly even worse when it comes to players still thinking they deserve the spotlight. Everyone here knows who I'm talking about ;)
jabbi seems like the type of guy to jump on the bandwagon, maybe there was even some awkward situation like he thought more players than just stavn was against cadian staying, weird cause he definitely knows he owes a lot to cadian for where he is now
I dont understand your criticism of Dupreeh. He has won so he should just retire? He is playing way better than anyone expected first of all but why should he just stop his dreamjob because he was good at it? Why dont you quit journalism youve already made a bunch of articles mate
If I'd been getting a bunch of stories wrong and lost all my source network guess what I'd do. It's a dumb comparison you made because all athletes are on the clock one way or another in a way that writing isn't but I'll let you off as it's not your fault you're that stupid.
@@RLewisReports Not trying to engage in any meaningful or constructive discussion here since self-reflection or admitting fault is sadly not something I associate with you but it's just hilarious to me how Djokovic is literally 36 years old and still breaking records in one of the most physically and mentally taxing sports and you're out here critizing a 30 year old who has literally won a major THIS YEAR for not immediately retiring. Not even mentioning the fact how similiar esports requirements are to something like racing where you have alonso still outclassing most of the field at 42 years of age. But that doesn't fit your narrative now, does it? Calling people stupid just feels better than actually having to change your boomer ways of thinking where any fault is seen as a weakness. I still appreciate your work for esports and think you're one of the best journalists in the scene, in case the previous paragraph hurt your ego too much.
I dont think he's tanking aggro with good intent though, i just think he wants the attention. And better leadership would him putting in more effort into those set plays for other people than him self if hes not the best.
hey richard, you have some really good reporting but sometimes your opinion and personal takes makes it hard to consume your content. i saw you attacking someone about the dupreeh-retiring point, i agree with their point of dupreehs right to follow his passion. i think your attack on gamerlegion and apex is also unwarranted. GL sold siuhy to mouz, and they won proleague with him. apex was dropping a lot of kills in malta. but i know what you are going to do, you always discount these points "haha, everybody is shit, the game is shit, cs2 just came out" i mean its entertaining to watch you throw these "tantrums" about your personal opinions but it makes me understand why i dont see you anymore on broadcasts, its hard to take you as an serious journalists with that. kinda ironic how you always talk shit about how unprofessional esports (players, teams, organizers) are, but i guess you are part of the scene.
The Danish scene needs to get its shit together and start lining up their stars in teams together before their scene goes the way of the dinosaur like we seen happen to Sweden, France and Brazil. Unlike the previously mentioned scenes, the Danish scene still has UNBELIEVABLE talent that can still click heads at the top level and its just Danish politics keeping them all apart (Also retardedly high buyouts of course and salaries!)
Dupreeh being subtitled "debris" really adds something to this video
Maaan, i remember watching this live on stream. The live chat when the juice dropped was absolutely hilarious.
I don't know why, but an org being destroyed by 2 early twenty year olds with the political acumen of trout scheming to join a notoriously corrupt and inept org, as well as the insanley incompetant decision by Heroic not sticking with Cadian is just hilarious to me
Its like every actor in the story just picked the worst dialogue options in the dialogue tree and it led to the outcome which made everyone look like absolute clowns
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Damn so Maui's conspiracy theory turned out to be spot on lmao
It was some guy in his chat who proposed the theory, but yes quite interesting!
@@johnk_32 I'm thinking of the HTPM episode where he brings it up, I didn't know he got the idea from someone in his chat haha!
dupreeh has been the only shining thing to come out of this mess so far, even if he doesn't make it passed December on heroic, their stupidity can't be blamed on him
Sarumanesque control LOL never change Richard. Gold.
Richard, your content over the years is fire out of ten
above all else, my heart just hurts for Cadian
Fr bro believed in his teammates no matter what and even the infamous jabbi copypasta just looks sad now whenever I see it. He got fucked over so hard and I hope he does find true joy on liquid cuz how can you not wish for the best for him. He just seems so genuine and lovable
mine does as well as everything he built in heroic just came crumbling down in what felt like seconds, but at the same time he gets to join a better richer org where he'll make more money, working with better players so really the only persons who's won from this is cadian
If eSports wasn't a shambles, we wouldn't get such entertaining drama on a constant basis. Silver linings.
Entertaining matches and entertaining drama, what more could you ask for
An interview with cadian would be spicy
Fully on board with the heroic angle of yours. People think heroic is fucked. But let's be honest, heroic has astralis by the balls aswell and should use that: astralis NEEDS a good roster for the Copenhagen major. That's closer than 10 months. No stabbi no party for them, who else could they get? Heroic could really leave them out in the rain.
Also I just fucking pray for cadian that his new team (liquid) gives him the trophies he deserves, one of the best personalitys in the space!
how'd that dupreeh take last eh
I don't agree with the "a player should just retire"
Don't get me wrong i know they get washed and what not, but this is the one thing they love and know how to do, its hard to move on and "retire" when you are barely into your 30's so i'm not surprised when they keep pushing until no team will want them, many of them know they won't be coaches or analyst or don't have the personality or desire to go into streaming and question "what i'm going to do next" now i do blame orgs for keeping them in rotation even if some of them look like they don't want to practice but I don't blame the player for going for it
The button you were looking for is right next to the comma on the keyboard. I'm not sure how you missed it.
@@Polyvalent mostly by only having 3 years of highschool English and not a very good ones if i may say so myself.
thanks for the tip
@@Polyvalent Okay, this one cracked me up mate. Thank you.
In traditional sports players in this position go play for a tier 2 team, they get paid a lot so their name and brand is used to sell jerseys and recruit up and coming players.
However the esports scene is ridiculously top heavy, so instead of doing this, in order to keep making the money they are used to they must stay in the top tier orgs depriving slots from players who actually want to be there.
There is no avenue for players in dupreeh's position to continue their career without doing it this way. Honestly I couldn't tell you why that is.
@@a3-radio Hey for only 3 years of HS English class this is actually pretty great. Be careful of run-on sentences.
How an org could pick Stavn over Cadian blows my fucking mind. Have they never watched a playoff match??? Heroic have been in plenty..
I'm guessing that the way Stavn tells it, cadian's leadership caused him to underperform.
Cadian would've never joined them
Benchski dropped a subtle hint about the hidden benefit to Astralis, when he partially admitted that:
When these players ruin their reputation, now Astralis can offer them a reduced contract (on top of the reduction they already have for being 'Astralis')
Which stream vod was this from?
And let’s not forget. These are not the players Astralis needs. They should’ve gone for Sjuush and Teses 😂🤣 criminals are dumb I guess!
In the new series Cadians heroic, he does say that it's not the first time Astralis was trying to get their players, so I guess the others was just smarter
Astralis are the most entertaining team to watch. Just not in the server.
Banger content.
Hhahaha WOW! Im getting really good at this! I remember commenting to someone about this subject that I think Jabbi and Stavn gave their ultimatum because they thought Heroic would never agree so that they could hop over to astralis, turns out I'm right! Feels fucking good man.
Was that on Mauisnake's stream by any chance? 😁
The best.
Stavn and Jabbi have been absolute little s*itheads in this plus the fact that THEY have been the ones who have not been performing in the big moments. Stavn is the bigest star player in CS withkut actually delivering the star play actually. What a ljoke of a "star" player.
CSGO/2 has a 6th player, the org, on some espionage vibes
heroic was last few years a team i thought who always stick
together, and the guys actually are liking each other genuinly.
cadian is a guy that makes me still watch cs after 20 years
of cs to be honest. you might not like him, but the energy
he puts into the esports is everything for me. there is guys
is like that are completely silent compared to him, but i see
them on the same level effort-wise. we dont know what really
happened, but i feel bad for cadian. i bet he thought he goes
through everything with these guys, and then they bitch move
him. he dont deserve that in the slightest.
You might have a point but, why do you write like that?
Richard Lewis
I just want these hero legend players to build up the scene, and give the young players the knowledge and insight on playing the game at a high level. IN NORTH AMERICA WE HAVE NOBODY DOING THAT TO HELP US PAST TIER 1. WHERE ARE ALL THE VETERANS HERE? WE HAVE NOBODY THAT WANTS TO STICK AROUND AND DEVELOP ARGUABLY ONE OF THE WEAKEST REGIONS. It's not like any other region has those veterans who actually want to help out either. Brazil is no different and possibly even worse when it comes to players still thinking they deserve the spotlight. Everyone here knows who I'm talking about ;)
Siuhy is doing pretty good t'ay 8ickh4ead
jabbi seems like the type of guy to jump on the bandwagon, maybe there was even some awkward situation like he thought more players than just stavn was against cadian staying, weird cause he definitely knows he owes a lot to cadian for where he is now
I think he was the main guy to push for this.
Jabbi never seemed like he was there for anything other than the money
Esports really need some regulation and laws from governments and a proper governing body, player associations etc.
This shit cant keep happening...
cadian to 9ine, called it
If hades doesn't leave that team for cadian to come in, they'll never win shit.
Missed it
3 times
I dont understand your criticism of Dupreeh. He has won so he should just retire? He is playing way better than anyone expected first of all but why should he just stop his dreamjob because he was good at it? Why dont you quit journalism youve already made a bunch of articles mate
If I'd been getting a bunch of stories wrong and lost all my source network guess what I'd do. It's a dumb comparison you made because all athletes are on the clock one way or another in a way that writing isn't but I'll let you off as it's not your fault you're that stupid.
@@RLewisReportslmfao
@@RLewisReports Not trying to engage in any meaningful or constructive discussion here since self-reflection or admitting fault is sadly not something I associate with you but it's just hilarious to me how Djokovic is literally 36 years old and still breaking records in one of the most physically and mentally taxing sports and you're out here critizing a 30 year old who has literally won a major THIS YEAR for not immediately retiring. Not even mentioning the fact how similiar esports requirements are to something like racing where you have alonso still outclassing most of the field at 42 years of age. But that doesn't fit your narrative now, does it? Calling people stupid just feels better than actually having to change your boomer ways of thinking where any fault is seen as a weakness.
I still appreciate your work for esports and think you're one of the best journalists in the scene, in case the previous paragraph hurt your ego too much.
@@Moritz_269buddy, he doesn't pass the eye test it's that simple.
@@AndrewH9999 you should publish a list of pros who dont pass your eye test so that they can retire :)
A leader can be hated but some people have n ego problem. Leaders will construct but select good time to celebrate. Really unfortunat
I dont think he's tanking aggro with good intent though, i just think he wants the attention. And better leadership would him putting in more effort into those set plays for other people than him self if hes not the best.
Mister steel your girl?
Stavn fucked another pro players girlfriend
hey richard, you have some really good reporting but sometimes your opinion and personal takes makes it hard to consume your content.
i saw you attacking someone about the dupreeh-retiring point, i agree with their point of dupreehs right to follow his passion.
i think your attack on gamerlegion and apex is also unwarranted. GL sold siuhy to mouz, and they won proleague with him. apex was dropping a lot of kills in malta. but i know what you are going to do, you always discount these points "haha, everybody is shit, the game is shit, cs2 just came out"
i mean its entertaining to watch you throw these "tantrums" about your personal opinions but it makes me understand why i dont see you anymore on broadcasts, its hard to take you as an serious journalists with that.
kinda ironic how you always talk shit about how unprofessional esports (players, teams, organizers) are, but i guess you are part of the scene.
The Danish scene needs to get its shit together and start lining up their stars in teams together before their scene goes the way of the dinosaur like we seen happen to Sweden, France and Brazil. Unlike the previously mentioned scenes, the Danish scene still has UNBELIEVABLE talent that can still click heads at the top level and its just Danish politics keeping them all apart (Also retardedly high buyouts of course and salaries!)