@@snjert8406 I really love that word too. I don't think it's a real word, but I derived it from the adjective "wonky" and removed the y to turn it into a noun.
About 20 years ago, a friend bought a Chad Smith signature crash cymbal (made by Sabian I think). I don't know how they engineered it, but that thing was comically loud. You could hit it half as hard as anything else, and it would still overpower everything
@phelancusack4805 The Sabian holy china is the best china I've ever heard. Yeah it's loud but that's what you want in a china. I play on the drummer's left side so it's all good
Drummers always asking for their cymbals to project. Looks like he got what he wanted. Like when you ask for cream in your coffee and they just give you a glass of milk.
The things Chad Smith needs a cymbal to do are very different than the things you or I need a cymbal to do. A 19 inch A medium crash will do the same thing as an Explosion crash. You use those for arenas and stadiums. You use thin crashes for bars and clubs.
@@carter9449 _"Yeah it's loud but that's what you want in a china"_ No, it's not. You want the sound, not the volume. Chinas tend to have brighter, higher-pitched sounds/overtones than other cymbals of the same size, making them cut through more. But it depends on how you use it. It's not good to have (or rather play) one part of your kit blast out in prominence.
Honestly would love to do a DIY pass on that PDP: - Chuck the tension rods in a lathe to cut them down to a manageable length - Use a large belt sander to sand down and polish the bearing edge to be perfectly flat Probably defeats the point, but if you already have it and plan not to do anything with it it’d be a fun project :)
I swear, I saw how long the tension rods were and thought, 'Welp, time to get out the dremel and the cutoff wheels!' I've had to modify so many screws over the years. 😅
lol i forgot about the tension rods by the end. i’ve hacksawed through machine bolts before-cutting them short would be easy. i half expect the drum to blow up when it hits the sander and i really want to see it happen
Big companies buying each other up to where they've becoming uncompetitive is perhaps the most poignant thing I've ever heard in a youtube video about a Chad Smith snare drum
At that price, you shouldn't *have* to fix a drum, but if you really wanted to, or had no other choice; shortening the tension rods wouldn't really be all that much work. Likewise you could sand the bearing edge flat by adhering some sandpaper to a large flat surface and moving the drum across it in rotating patterns until flat. Wet sanding at a high grit would be recommended for the final few passes, but a decently abrasive sand would speed up the flattening.
It takes 3 flat surfaces sanded against each other in rotation, to flatten any singular surface. Otherwise you're just sanding down the bearing edge without actually making it flat. It'll still have its inherent unevenness.
I feel like there's no guarantee of quality in a lot of big names anymore. It's all about bottom lines. That's why I just buy junk and hope I get lucky.
Lego, warhammer minis, and solovair boots are pretty much the only things I'm comfortable dropping more than 100 quid on cause I know that they're both made in thier home countries.
Thats because theyre all being bought up by larger companies that dont care about the brand name. Like how Microsoft is slowly buying every gaming company, and Disney is buying every movie IP, and then driving everything into the ground to squeeze out every penny they can in the short term because nobody working for them can be bothered to think ahead.
@@matthewcampbell3146 interesting, as a bunch of mini-painting channels i've watched have complained about the declining quality of GW's output in recent years. i remember someone putting together a thunderhawk i think it was, a resin kit. damn near every panel was deformed and needed to be straightened. this kit is 800 USD.
This is why competition is soo important when it comes to industries which create entertainment, whether it be games, musical instruments or tourism. If you only have a limited amount of options it doesn't matter how much money is made they never innovate properly, start getting lazy, and/or just get greedy. Let's hope there will always be small businesses to push things forward and we don't just get the big players selling us a bunch of garbage
I think throw offs are overrated. I don't care as long as I can tension the wires, and turn them on and off. As long as it works and it looks good, then I'm happy. I rarely touch the thing during an average gig.
@@alanduncan1980 I agree but at the same time I genuinely believe that it holds the snare tension better (longer) than other systems, especially on cheaper drums. Depending on how the snares are mounted you'll always have some slack due to material deformation but I definitely noticed an improvement, when I upgraded my old snare drum with one of them, although I mostly got it for the looks.
@@musiqsoundsproductions Didn't know this even existed but looking at it, it's the same price (~70€) that I paid for the big one but I haven't found it in "gold color" and also the big one has the advantage that you can use it with your knee in a pinch. I'm planning on customizing an older piccolo snare drum, for this use case it should be perfect, however. 🤔
This problem isn't just with drum companies it's happening everywhere. Power and manufacturing are getting consolidated into one or two huge conglomerates per industry. This is bad for us and for some reason at least in the United States certain members of a certain party really don't seem to be interested in reforming antitrust legislation in such a way that it would result in breakup of these monopolies.
@@nobodynoone2500 While i also reccomend this it does end up being the same category of response as "vote with your wallet" where the end result is that the people with more money have more voting power. That indie company will be just as (or even more so thanks to patent trolling) susceptible to shutting down or being bought out as the big leagues.
Damn I wish somebody wrote a book about capital’s tendency towards monopoly and an inevitable falling rate of profit that requires cutting more and more corners
I just got absolutely jumpscared by that INDe Kalamazoo mention. I LIVE IN KALAMAZOO I had NO IDEA there was a company hand-building drum kits right here in town. I NEED IT.
INDe drums are great! I met the owner, Josh, at this year's Chicago Drum show. Such a NICE guy! His Dad was a super nice person too! Very good people ❤️
You could always strip the hardware off of the pdp, run it through a band saw to square up the ends, and then rout a new bearing edge on it. It will fundamentally change the drum, but at least it will have clean bearing edges and be playable.
Why?? The chips around the lug holes will end up as running cracks. These are junk as are most PDP drums. Had a 22 " maple".. yeah not real maple..but take the heads off it and the shell would oval under the weight of the lugs. If you want decent and cheap get a Tama Superstar Classic ( not real maple either) they actually sound decent and are better made then PDP.
Kinda not the point though, it's better to be able to buy quality in the first place. It wasn't like that snare was mistreated during it's life, just built like shit. To think that Chad Smith endorsed a product that shoddy is disappointing, that being said the chilli peppers did sell out quite significantly lol
3:45 a simple way to sand the drum edge flat would be to get yourself a decent level, then using some spray on contact adhesive, glue some sand paper as good as you can where the perimeter of the drum body would contact, about 10 cm on either side (a total of 20 cm of travel when sanding). The way you want to work this is by using a known drum that's flat on the top and has the same diameter. You put the drum's touching on the edge and use bits of tape to mark where the peaks start and end on the acrylic drum body. Those, you sand by placing the level (wet) over the portion with the sandpaper and moving slowly back and forth making sure the non sand paper side of the level is sitting flush on the opposite side of the drum edge/lip. edit: with the mention that this is just to remove the peak, any shaping will be made after by hand with a block of curved wood shaped to match the drum) As for the holes that might be cracked or starting to crack, you could slowly and carefully drill them oversize (using a long Christmas tree bit, a normal drill will not behave well drilling into an existing hole and you might actually crack the acrylic), sand it smooth with wet sand paper and then glue a plug inside the hole, which will be drilled (with a normal drill) again after the glue has cured. The idea is to get rid of the crack around the hole.
Find a VERY flat surface, stick down a large piece of 220 grit abrasive paper, and lap the top and bottom until they're flat. It's a stupid thing to need to do, but if you want the snare to work...
Well, unfortunately, this is how it is nowadays, big corporations buy smaller businesses, that were good and had a name in the industry, to get rid of the competition, and later on, sack those workers and send all the production to China, or other parts of Asia because labor is cheaper. Sucks. A lot. I'm glad you are doing better, take care Wade
I agree that dw has in fact gone downhill. A few years ago I bought three dw 3700 boom stands. I saw one on display at the store and said I wanted a few I got home and took them out of the box and was like “woah these things are heavy. Surely they never break loose while playing like they gotta be at least 20 pounds” I have them to this day and I gotta say that they seem to break loose every single time I play them. Not to mention they are so heavy that they are a pain to carry around and they costed me way to much money in the first place. Two of them I demoted to holding my ride and my china because I don’t have to use the boom arm for those cymbals but the one that holds up my left crash no matter how much I tighten the boom arm it always comes loose. I bought one inexpensive pearl stand a few months ago and it does it’s job a lot better than the overpriced shit dw is dishing out.
I bought a DW 5000 double pedal in the early 2000s. Immediately after the warranty expired, the casting cracked on the master pedal. I'd always taken good care of it, I don't stomp on my pedals, kept it in a Humes and Berg case. That really surprised me because I love my 5000 hi hat stand. Twenty years later, still going strong. I'll never buy anything from DW again.
@@Dan-hc1ow it’s just so sad how drum content creators hesitate to say bad things about dw because they don’t want to get chewed out by everyone. I was always a pearl guy but at the same time I thought dw was a close second because the amazing things people say about them. I got those stands and my opinion changed immediately and coming to realize that their drums are over engendered just so they can make a few extra bucks with “stunning sonic features” I begin to think that dw is another money grubbing company like every other company that isn’t involved in music but music companies especially should care about what they are selling because it’s important for musicians to know they can trust their gear.
I've never understood the whole DW thing. Don't like the way they look, don't like the way they sound, don't like the hardware.... there's at least 4 or 5 other major manufacturers I'd go to before I went DW. and about a dozen boutique makers I'd go to if I wanted something really exotic and premium.
I got a Yamaha Stage Custom Steel 14x6.5" (10-lug) snare drum recently for a little over AU$200 and for the money it's one of the nicest snares I've played. Even the drummer in my band (who plays a Pearl SensiTone Steel that costs more than twice as much) loves the crack he gets from it when I've brought it to gigs.
$500?!??! I paid that for a whole pearl set about 15 years ago when I first got into playing music and wanted to learn drums, but never did. Still do. Music is such a great hobby/love. Your videos always have great vibes man, never go away please!
I didn't think it was that bad, and then you mentioned the price, and it all made sense. That's all fixable stuff that I have an idea how to do, but for $500 that's outrageous.
Oof, and up until about a year ago, you could have a cast bronze shell and hoops made by Duluth Brass Manufacturing. (The company that made Ocheltree cast bronze shells.) for around the same price as an INDe snare.
Large companies for drums and guitars (looking at you gibson) are absolutely not competitive anymore. If you want a solid deal these days, you have to gamble on smaller brands. I got an insane deal on a full acrylic kit from Donner of all brands a few years back. Less than 1000$ for a full kit including snare, all hardware, and some crappy cymbals. I converted it to an electric kit and it's been my go to ever since.
Years ago I bought a purple 13" PDP "Mud Flap" snare new. $130 USD. When I got it home, I could not get it in tune. I was about to return it but I decided to check the roundness and bearing edges. After removing the top head, I discovered that the cheap Remo head that came with it had an uneven collar. I soon replaced it with an Evans, which helped quite a bit. I never thought to check to see if the shell was level, so I should probably do that someday.
was just in kansas City at the WFL III (Ludwig) HQ since a member of my family the master builder there. He handed me a PDP snare and proceeded to ask me what the problem is with it. I went all the way around this drum and couldn't find the issue until he pointed out that PDP PUT THE SNARE BED COMPLETELY OFF like hilariously, snare beds should be 12 and 6 oclock...the PDP snare beds were 12 and 5 oclock! Seems like it was 4:59 on a friday and they jsut needed to get it out lol.
Dude, I have no musical talent at all. I know nothing about drums. I have no interest in drums! So why am I watching this? The same reason I started watching you review MP3 Nuggets when I had no interest in those either. For your personality! You always give me a lift in mood. Cheers Matey!
I saw a guy turn a treadmill into a giant sander. Something janky like that should be able to level that snare. Got a treadmill and a bunch of sand paper?
"that's why vintage drums sound better because they were made better in the first place" Cue my nugget mid-80s Pioneer amplifier. The power button is never straight, the source buttons need a scrape sometimes, absolutely overpowered for the nugget hand me down bookshelf speakers and 32ohm headphones, but it makes them sound good
It feels like we live in an age where the companies are so big, they don't have to worry about making GOOD products anymore. Everything is crap and it all costs more than the good old stuff did.
Everything got centralized for efficiency, then transport costs went through the roof. Now it's no longer efficient to make everything in the same place, but we still do it anyway.
The funny thing about this to me is the fact that the Pearl Steel Chad Smith model is one of the best snares you can buy still. My high school threw a diplomat + concert wires on one and used it as our concert snares. Stupid articulate. Also love the channel m8
I think alot of people that are suggesting to fix the drum have the wrong idea. Having things that are manky is part of the fun of collecting. Does it suck your out 500 bucks yeah but it allows you to show of other things that shine brighter in comparison.
as an accomplished marching snare player i’ve traveled many places. I’ve seen screws so bad they had modified screws that are supposed to be for a table that isn’t put together. i hate people who do that.
Damn, I have this snare and I actually love it 😭 (could be because I’m an R&B drummer and I muted the 💩 out of it. And I also purchased it along with an entire drumset out of my cousin for a stupidly cheap price (way less than the snare’s worth)
About a year ago I bought my PDP Concept Maple kit, the snare had a huge chunk missing from the bottom bearing edge but they replaced it and the rest of the kit is perfect. Seems like their quality control is pretty poor, but if you're patient enough to deal with returns and replacements (the store paid for everything) I think it sounds, looks and feels phenomenal
I assume like any other manufacturer the occasional flaw gets through. Part of the reason why high end drums cost more is the quality control. The majority of mid to lower priced drums they spot check batches. In this case the drum was sitting too long before he noticed all of the flaws. If they had been noticed soon after getting it, I'm sure the drum store would have replaced or reimbursed the purchase. having said that, I have had some really good cheap drums over the years. 90% of the time it works all the time...or something
You should be able to “straighten” the drum using the right tension. Same as you do with push bike wheels by adjusting the spokes. To me it looks like the edge is machined, and it would have been perfectly flat from the factory, and it’s just the drum heads pulling it out of true. Acrylic does have a memory too, so if you’ve got a bit of time, and a bit of heavy stuff to sit on top of it, and somewhere flat, you should be able to bring it back to flat that way too.
Chad's Pearl signature snare is widely known to be a great sounding snare that versatile and lasts a lifetime. That one was produced during the early 00's. This one was produced in 2016 when the Chili Peppers were open to a lot of crap collaborations.
There are some excellent ideas to get the uneven side of the snare true again. An engine repair machine shop would be the best bet. Only issue is that you're also supposed to have a particular taper around the edge for the drum head to sit against. It's not supposed to just sit against a squarely cut edge. That would be another critical step in getting it right that would require the proper equipment for designing these. These two steps would quite literally make the design of an acrylic drum useless when not done to precision specs.
Cool video, but i bought, an almost brand new pdp acrylic snare to go with my pearl crystal beat. The guy who bought it brought it back to the store within a week, because he found out the sound didn't match with his kit. I change the heads on it, but i didn't find any chips or cracks in it, and the drum is actually flat, didn't wobble on a flat surface. It is true that the lug nuts are way to long, but for the price i paid for it, i am not complaining. I use it for live playing only, i did put a remo embassador coated on it, and it gives me plenty of volume and a nice crack. I also own a Ludwig vistalite from the 70s, but a blue one. I don't use that snare anyone, because there's a small crack in it, and i don't want to aggravate it. But as for the pdp, maybe you got a lemon, lol. Anyway cool video, i really enjoyed it.
If there's one thing that I've come to learn is that PDP makes products that are absolutely awesome and products that are absolutely awful. And I'm not even talking about 'all CS signatures are rubbish' because it's often within the same product line and the quality control is just abysmal sometimes. I got a Concept Maple, the works, 10-12-14-20 with 8 and 16 add-ons. It. Is. Absolutely. Perfect. I spent half a day in the store completely taking off all heads, checking the bearing edges, screws, roundness/flatness, the works. It is pristine and it's my absolute favourite thing to play on. Only thing I had to do was correcting the curve of the suspension mount because it gave some tension on the swivel nuts. Why did I spend that much time and efford before taking it home? Because I've heard more than one story about the exact same series of drums being delivered with drum heads bolted down at one side of the head and rattling across the other. With so much saw dust inside that you could make another drum from it. Dents in the bearing edge. Wood chipped away in the bearing edge and around drilled holes. Holes not being drilled all the way through. I don't have time listing the other things but you can easily triple the shortcomings of those drums. They should never ever have been shipped out that way. So yeah, it seems to be a bit of a lottery and it should never be like that. For drums they might be cheap. But it's not loose change by any stretch of the imagination. They really need to be more consistent. Still, I would very much recommend PDP to anyone because two stories among hundreds of satisfied customers isn't so bad, and as long as you are able to inspect and return a product to get a new one, you're still getting huge bang for your buck. Just wished it wasn't such a downer to the people who are stoked for getting drums of this kind.
I have a PDP 'Limited Edition' 7 1/2 x 14" maple/walnut snare drum. It is the hardest to tune snare drum I have. No matter what I do, it has the worst sympathetic snare buzz of any snare drum I've ever played. I've swapped the heads, swapped out the snare wires, even sanded down the snare beds a bit by about 1/16th inch. Still buzzes like crazy. (at all tuning range) Too bad it does have otherwise good sound and it is a beautiful drum.
@@thomasmoje5926 my opinion, sympathetic snare buzz is something I will always cherish, and anything you do to get rid of it will also get rid of wanted resonance in the drum.
i have a similar story but with guitar. i bought a $400+ squier cv stratocaster, by no means an expensive guitar, but certainly not cheap either, and it had finish blemishes under the clear coat. literally nothing i could do to fix it, other than returning it. a couple years earlier, i bought a peavey rockmaster for $50 from a pawn shop, that had been made probably 20 years earlier than the squier. i only got it because of the sparkly silver finish, but i ended up really liking it, despite the dead cockroach under the pickup. it’s now a beater for glam rock shenanigans
I would love to see a video on your thoughts of tuning Maybe tips and tricks you learned Or just some do's and don'ts that you seen on the Internet and even in your experiences. Maybe talk about some tools that you used or even wanted to try. We know u low key mention it in your expensive/cheap drums vid. I think a dedicated video could be fun!
It’s funny. I bought the DW version of this snare for 300 bucks, and it is so much higher quality than this thing. It’s honestly one of my favorite snares I’ve ever played on
You know it's bad when you're being compared to the Jin Bao
so true bestie
@@genmaicha_I don’t speak starbucks
@@weezersucks2very correct, friend
@@weezersucks2 For you it would be "well, you just won the internet for today sir! le epic."
@@poolbwoy6585 mate I don’t speak reddit
I demand that you show the wonk of all snare drums you show in future videos. Seeing how wobbly they were was very fun
"The wonk" is very accurate and I love that term hahaha (not a native speaker, so I love hearing/reading words like this)
@@snjert8406 I really love that word too. I don't think it's a real word, but I derived it from the adjective "wonky" and removed the y to turn it into a noun.
@@miguelguthridge yeah that's what I thought too! :3
This.
the brady jarrah snare he has will have the least wonk
You've gotta call up Chad Smith, he owes you a snare
About 20 years ago, a friend bought a Chad Smith signature crash cymbal (made by Sabian I think). I don't know how they engineered it, but that thing was comically loud. You could hit it half as hard as anything else, and it would still overpower everything
That's kinda on brand though. The same holds true for Sabian's Holy China, also a Chad Smith cymbal. Other band members haaaaaate that thing lol.
@phelancusack4805 The Sabian holy china is the best china I've ever heard. Yeah it's loud but that's what you want in a china. I play on the drummer's left side so it's all good
Drummers always asking for their cymbals to project. Looks like he got what he wanted. Like when you ask for cream in your coffee and they just give you a glass of milk.
The things Chad Smith needs a cymbal to do are very different than the things you or I need a cymbal to do.
A 19 inch A medium crash will do the same thing as an Explosion crash. You use those for arenas and stadiums. You use thin crashes for bars and clubs.
@@carter9449 _"Yeah it's loud but that's what you want in a china"_
No, it's not. You want the sound, not the volume. Chinas tend to have brighter, higher-pitched sounds/overtones than other cymbals of the same size, making them cut through more. But it depends on how you use it. It's not good to have (or rather play) one part of your kit blast out in prominence.
mate, I was literally THIS close to buying one of these snares. Thank you so much
Honestly would love to do a DIY pass on that PDP:
- Chuck the tension rods in a lathe to cut them down to a manageable length
- Use a large belt sander to sand down and polish the bearing edge to be perfectly flat
Probably defeats the point, but if you already have it and plan not to do anything with it it’d be a fun project :)
I swear, I saw how long the tension rods were and thought, 'Welp, time to get out the dremel and the cutoff wheels!'
I've had to modify so many screws over the years. 😅
lol i forgot about the tension rods by the end. i’ve hacksawed through machine bolts before-cutting them short would be easy. i half expect the drum to blow up when it hits the sander and i really want to see it happen
with all of that - it would be a rdavidr's channel
Lathing them would be way too over excessive
My thoughts exactly
Big companies buying each other up to where they've becoming uncompetitive is perhaps the most poignant thing I've ever heard in a youtube video about a Chad Smith snare drum
Yeah corporate monopolies are getting to be a real problem.
i feel like im in the wrong class but still sit cuz its interesting
At that price, you shouldn't *have* to fix a drum, but if you really wanted to, or had no other choice; shortening the tension rods wouldn't really be all that much work. Likewise you could sand the bearing edge flat by adhering some sandpaper to a large flat surface and moving the drum across it in rotating patterns until flat. Wet sanding at a high grit would be recommended for the final few passes, but a decently abrasive sand would speed up the flattening.
The bearing edge would need to be re-bevelled then and that seems like a difficult thing without a router table
@DevinJuularValentine i’d be shocked if james doesn’t have one he can use
He certainly would like to use a particular grit on that drum
Its worth $500, I dont think you should be do that yourself if its that much haha
It takes 3 flat surfaces sanded against each other in rotation, to flatten any singular surface. Otherwise you're just sanding down the bearing edge without actually making it flat. It'll still have its inherent unevenness.
I'm eating out of a yogert container that probably has a better bearing edge than that snare.
I feel like there's no guarantee of quality in a lot of big names anymore. It's all about bottom lines. That's why I just buy junk and hope I get lucky.
Lego, warhammer minis, and solovair boots are pretty much the only things I'm comfortable dropping more than 100 quid on cause I know that they're both made in thier home countries.
Thats because theyre all being bought up by larger companies that dont care about the brand name. Like how Microsoft is slowly buying every gaming company, and Disney is buying every movie IP, and then driving everything into the ground to squeeze out every penny they can in the short term because nobody working for them can be bothered to think ahead.
@@matthewcampbell3146 interesting, as a bunch of mini-painting channels i've watched have complained about the declining quality of GW's output in recent years. i remember someone putting together a thunderhawk i think it was, a resin kit. damn near every panel was deformed and needed to be straightened. this kit is 800 USD.
This is why competition is soo important when it comes to industries which create entertainment, whether it be games, musical instruments or tourism. If you only have a limited amount of options it doesn't matter how much money is made they never innovate properly, start getting lazy, and/or just get greedy. Let's hope there will always be small businesses to push things forward and we don't just get the big players selling us a bunch of garbage
I like that we got a glance at the banana set at the start
I like it more that we got a glance riiiight when Wade introduces and turns to the 'worst drum he's bought'.
The DW throw is one of the nicest pieces of hardware you can put on a snare drum.
Just the most satisfying mechanic and soo smooth.
I think throw offs are overrated. I don't care as long as I can tension the wires, and turn them on and off. As long as it works and it looks good, then I'm happy. I rarely touch the thing during an average gig.
@@alanduncan1980 I agree but at the same time I genuinely believe that it holds the snare tension better (longer) than other systems, especially on cheaper drums. Depending on how the snares are mounted you'll always have some slack due to material deformation but I definitely noticed an improvement, when I upgraded my old snare drum with one of them, although I mostly got it for the looks.
Try the new mini mag its even better.
@@musiqsoundsproductions Didn't know this even existed but looking at it, it's the same price (~70€) that I paid for the big one but I haven't found it in "gold color" and also the big one has the advantage that you can use it with your knee in a pinch.
I'm planning on customizing an older piccolo snare drum, for this use case it should be perfect, however. 🤔
This problem isn't just with drum companies it's happening everywhere. Power and manufacturing are getting consolidated into one or two huge conglomerates per industry. This is bad for us and for some reason at least in the United States certain members of a certain party really don't seem to be interested in reforming antitrust legislation in such a way that it would result in breakup of these monopolies.
Buy indie stuff when you can!
@@nobodynoone2500 While i also reccomend this it does end up being the same category of response as "vote with your wallet" where the end result is that the people with more money have more voting power. That indie company will be just as (or even more so thanks to patent trolling) susceptible to shutting down or being bought out as the big leagues.
Damn I wish somebody wrote a book about capital’s tendency towards monopoly and an inevitable falling rate of profit that requires cutting more and more corners
@@quinn3334I know, right? It's almost like the purpose of a system is what it does
I love learning things about an instrument I will likely never play 💕 This channel is a treasure.
agree!
Its never too late to try something new!
sadly the noise part of drums makes it so hard @fosforum1
remember kids, Chad Smith put his name on that thing
Dude's sick but still making content for us on 2 channels. My man.
what a fuckin champion
I just got absolutely jumpscared by that INDe Kalamazoo mention.
I LIVE IN KALAMAZOO
I had NO IDEA there was a company hand-building drum kits right here in town. I NEED IT.
mention got me too… 😅
INDe drums are great! I met the owner, Josh, at this year's Chicago Drum show. Such a NICE guy! His Dad was a super nice person too! Very good people ❤️
You could always strip the hardware off of the pdp, run it through a band saw to square up the ends, and then rout a new bearing edge on it. It will fundamentally change the drum, but at least it will have clean bearing edges and be playable.
Just stick a large sheet of sandpaper to a table. It will be flatter than a band saw and remove minimal material.
@@SmokinjoewhiteI'd advise using either a surface plate or laying the sandpaper on top of glass in that instance.
Why?? The chips around the lug holes will end up as running cracks. These are junk as are most PDP drums. Had a 22 " maple".. yeah not real maple..but take the heads off it and the shell would oval under the weight of the lugs. If you want decent and cheap get a Tama Superstar Classic ( not real maple either) they actually sound decent and are better made then PDP.
Kinda not the point though, it's better to be able to buy quality in the first place. It wasn't like that snare was mistreated during it's life, just built like shit. To think that Chad Smith endorsed a product that shoddy is disappointing, that being said the chilli peppers did sell out quite significantly lol
@@Smokinjoewhite Acrylic gums up sandpaper so bad. I would hate that job.
If we ever see a steamroller on garbage time, I vote to send this junk underneath it.
3:45 a simple way to sand the drum edge flat would be to get yourself a decent level, then using some spray on contact adhesive, glue some sand paper as good as you can where the perimeter of the drum body would contact, about 10 cm on either side (a total of 20 cm of travel when sanding). The way you want to work this is by using a known drum that's flat on the top and has the same diameter. You put the drum's touching on the edge and use bits of tape to mark where the peaks start and end on the acrylic drum body. Those, you sand by placing the level (wet) over the portion with the sandpaper and moving slowly back and forth making sure the non sand paper side of the level is sitting flush on the opposite side of the drum edge/lip. edit: with the mention that this is just to remove the peak, any shaping will be made after by hand with a block of curved wood shaped to match the drum)
As for the holes that might be cracked or starting to crack, you could slowly and carefully drill them oversize (using a long Christmas tree bit, a normal drill will not behave well drilling into an existing hole and you might actually crack the acrylic), sand it smooth with wet sand paper and then glue a plug inside the hole, which will be drilled (with a normal drill) again after the glue has cured. The idea is to get rid of the crack around the hole.
nah throw it on a belt sander with no prep so we can see it explode
This is how it's done.
Sure, you could do that, but for a $500 snare you absolutely shouldn't need to
Find a VERY flat surface, stick down a large piece of 220 grit abrasive paper, and lap the top and bottom until they're flat. It's a stupid thing to need to do, but if you want the snare to work...
it will never not be fun to listen to people rant about the thinks they are ACTUALLY passionate about
Love you Mr.pods
To finish your museum you need an exhibit dedicated to the kitchen snare sets we all made as babies
Well, unfortunately, this is how it is nowadays, big corporations buy smaller businesses, that were good and had a name in the industry, to get rid of the competition, and later on, sack those workers and send all the production to China, or other parts of Asia because labor is cheaper. Sucks. A lot. I'm glad you are doing better, take care Wade
It seems like they threw the tension rods of a 6.5 on a 6 lmao
Kinda makes me wonder if they cut the snare bed, then installed the strainer upside down....
And a new court jester is crowned, move over Jin Bowes or whatever dingus name spelling they was
Xin Baos? Maybe?
Edit: saw the sticker and they’re Jin Baos.
Early bird gets the good content 😊
It's 10:07 pm right now for me
it's 15:14 or 3:14 pm right now
from india not really
It's 2pm
I agree that dw has in fact gone downhill. A few years ago I bought three dw 3700 boom stands. I saw one on display at the store and said I wanted a few I got home and took them out of the box and was like “woah these things are heavy. Surely they never break loose while playing like they gotta be at least 20 pounds” I have them to this day and I gotta say that they seem to break loose every single time I play them. Not to mention they are so heavy that they are a pain to carry around and they costed me way to much money in the first place. Two of them I demoted to holding my ride and my china because I don’t have to use the boom arm for those cymbals but the one that holds up my left crash no matter how much I tighten the boom arm it always comes loose. I bought one inexpensive pearl stand a few months ago and it does it’s job a lot better than the overpriced shit dw is dishing out.
I bought a DW 5000 double pedal in the early 2000s. Immediately after the warranty expired, the casting cracked on the master pedal. I'd always taken good care of it, I don't stomp on my pedals, kept it in a Humes and Berg case. That really surprised me because I love my 5000 hi hat stand. Twenty years later, still going strong. I'll never buy anything from DW again.
@@Dan-hc1ow it’s just so sad how drum content creators hesitate to say bad things about dw because they don’t want to get chewed out by everyone. I was always a pearl guy but at the same time I thought dw was a close second because the amazing things people say about them. I got those stands and my opinion changed immediately and coming to realize that their drums are over engendered just so they can make a few extra bucks with “stunning sonic features” I begin to think that dw is another money grubbing company like every other company that isn’t involved in music but music companies especially should care about what they are selling because it’s important for musicians to know they can trust their gear.
I've never understood the whole DW thing. Don't like the way they look, don't like the way they sound, don't like the hardware.... there's at least 4 or 5 other major manufacturers I'd go to before I went DW. and about a dozen boutique makers I'd go to if I wanted something really exotic and premium.
Those are made by reliance for dw. Just as they do for all major brands.
I got a Yamaha Stage Custom Steel 14x6.5" (10-lug) snare drum recently for a little over AU$200 and for the money it's one of the nicest snares I've played. Even the drummer in my band (who plays a Pearl SensiTone Steel that costs more than twice as much) loves the crack he gets from it when I've brought it to gigs.
I bought one of these snaresa brand new for 200 Us dollars. It was cool. No wonk detected. It was my work horse for a loud dry sound.
Exactly I think bro got sold a lemon
$500?!??! I paid that for a whole pearl set about 15 years ago when I first got into playing music and wanted to learn drums, but never did. Still do. Music is such a great hobby/love. Your videos always have great vibes man, never go away please!
I didn't think it was that bad, and then you mentioned the price, and it all made sense. That's all fixable stuff that I have an idea how to do, but for $500 that's outrageous.
Oof, and up until about a year ago, you could have a cast bronze shell and hoops made by Duluth Brass Manufacturing. (The company that made Ocheltree cast bronze shells.) for around the same price as an INDe snare.
I hope you enjoyed your travels and Feel better soon! So happy to get my favourite content back💚
Large companies for drums and guitars (looking at you gibson) are absolutely not competitive anymore. If you want a solid deal these days, you have to gamble on smaller brands. I got an insane deal on a full acrylic kit from Donner of all brands a few years back. Less than 1000$ for a full kit including snare, all hardware, and some crappy cymbals. I converted it to an electric kit and it's been my go to ever since.
Gibson was my first new guitar, will never buy another. Company is trash now. Fender not much better.
You are a true drummer. Gets money, spends it on drums.
Years ago I bought a purple 13" PDP "Mud Flap" snare new. $130 USD. When I got it home, I could not get it in tune. I was about to return it but I decided to check the roundness and bearing edges. After removing the top head, I discovered that the cheap Remo head that came with it had an uneven collar. I soon replaced it with an Evans, which helped quite a bit. I never thought to check to see if the shell was level, so I should probably do that someday.
Glad to see ya back and sharing more special finds. Love all the content!
if it’s already garbage, might as well head to a machine shop and take a sander to the bottom. just to see what happens 🤠
The Return of the King
Welcome back mate
Putting Chad Smith's name on this pile of rubbish is a sin.
The long tensioning bolts is something that a hacksaw would like a word with.
how I missed you gushing on about drums! even the bad ones! welcome back wade
"Oi! We got the worst one! :D"
It's almost like the biggest companies make the worst stuff!
The logo also isn't printed centered. Look at how much of the asterisk is visible on each side
was just in kansas City at the WFL III (Ludwig) HQ since a member of my family the master builder there. He handed me a PDP snare and proceeded to ask me what the problem is with it. I went all the way around this drum and couldn't find the issue until he pointed out that PDP PUT THE SNARE BED COMPLETELY OFF like hilariously, snare beds should be 12 and 6 oclock...the PDP snare beds were 12 and 5 oclock! Seems like it was 4:59 on a friday and they jsut needed to get it out lol.
Dude, I have no musical talent at all. I know nothing about drums. I have no interest in drums! So why am I watching this? The same reason I started watching you review MP3 Nuggets when I had no interest in those either. For your personality! You always give me a lift in mood. Cheers Matey!
So glad youre back for the history and tech lessons
I saw a guy turn a treadmill into a giant sander. Something janky like that should be able to level that snare.
Got a treadmill and a bunch of sand paper?
Dunno if they’ve got them in Australia but you can just buy entire reams of sandpaper at the Harbor Freight.
Sounding better! Getting better. All better soon!
thank you for the awesome video regardless!
Nice video. Shame pdp quality has gone down over time they used to be great value. You should talk about Fibes drums when you get the chance.
They definitely still make great stuff, I have one of their bell bronze snares and it rules
The worst drum you've bought, so far
"that's why vintage drums sound better because they were made better in the first place" Cue my nugget mid-80s Pioneer amplifier. The power button is never straight, the source buttons need a scrape sometimes, absolutely overpowered for the nugget hand me down bookshelf speakers and 32ohm headphones, but it makes them sound good
When Chad said he wanted this snare to rock, this is not what he meant.
poor chad smith having his name on this garbage
You know a drum is bad when it can't do something that the Jin Bao's can
It feels like we live in an age where the companies are so big, they don't have to worry about making GOOD products anymore. Everything is crap and it all costs more than the good old stuff did.
Everything got centralized for efficiency, then transport costs went through the roof.
Now it's no longer efficient to make everything in the same place, but we still do it anyway.
Ah yes, Dick Smith's lesser-known brother, Chad.
The comedic timing of learning this was a Chad Smith signature was impeccable
The funny thing about this to me is the fact that the Pearl Steel Chad Smith model is one of the best snares you can buy still. My high school threw a diplomat + concert wires on one and used it as our concert snares. Stupid articulate. Also love the channel m8
That Pearl Chad Smith model was a home run. Everybody had one back in the day.
theres 3 Australian man voices and everyone takes turns
If you need to take time to recover, please do Mr Dank. We'll still be here when you feel better.
I think alot of people that are suggesting to fix the drum have the wrong idea. Having things that are manky is part of the fun of collecting. Does it suck your out 500 bucks yeah but it allows you to show of other things that shine brighter in comparison.
exactly. if it was his only drum that's one thing, but he's literally building a museum and preserving the good and the bad
Those are the longest tension rods I've ever seen on a snare with triple flanged hoops.
as an accomplished marching snare player i’ve traveled many places. I’ve seen screws so bad they had modified screws that are supposed to be for a table that isn’t put together. i hate people who do that.
Damn, I have this snare and I actually love it 😭 (could be because I’m an R&B drummer and I muted the 💩 out of it. And I also purchased it along with an entire drumset out of my cousin for a stupidly cheap price (way less than the snare’s worth)
GMorning from the states! Glad ur back. Have a great day!
I just was looking at pdp drums. I've had good experiences with them thus far when drummers have brought them to my studio, but now I'm scared
About a year ago I bought my PDP Concept Maple kit, the snare had a huge chunk missing from the bottom bearing edge but they replaced it and the rest of the kit is perfect. Seems like their quality control is pretty poor, but if you're patient enough to deal with returns and replacements (the store paid for everything) I think it sounds, looks and feels phenomenal
I assume like any other manufacturer the occasional flaw gets through. Part of the reason why high end drums cost more is the quality control. The majority of mid to lower priced drums they spot check batches. In this case the drum was sitting too long before he noticed all of the flaws. If they had been noticed soon after getting it, I'm sure the drum store would have replaced or reimbursed the purchase.
having said that, I have had some really good cheap drums over the years. 90% of the time it works all the time...or something
They said "Fuck it, put some snare beds on the top too"
Welcome back mate. Take your time to recover from your sickness.
It's so good to have our nugman back
so glad your back wade i hope you had a good couple of weeks
You should be able to “straighten” the drum using the right tension. Same as you do with push bike wheels by adjusting the spokes. To me it looks like the edge is machined, and it would have been perfectly flat from the factory, and it’s just the drum heads pulling it out of true. Acrylic does have a memory too, so if you’ve got a bit of time, and a bit of heavy stuff to sit on top of it, and somewhere flat, you should be able to bring it back to flat that way too.
ever since he took a break, his australian accent thickened lol
"When you're a chad you don't need to sound good"
bruh i thought there was a comically large razor blade in the snare
If I was Chad Smith I'd be throwing an absolute FIT!! Like how DARE you put my name on THAT!
I once listed mine on Reverb as “Un-tunable Snare” lol. Yeah, never ended up selling it
Expecting anything chili peppers related to sound good was the first mistake
Chad's Pearl signature snare is widely known to be a great sounding snare that versatile and lasts a lifetime. That one was produced during the early 00's. This one was produced in 2016 when the Chili Peppers were open to a lot of crap collaborations.
Once Roland bought DW I lost all interest, next kit is gonna be a Sonor no question.
There are some excellent ideas to get the uneven side of the snare true again. An engine repair machine shop would be the best bet. Only issue is that you're also supposed to have a particular taper around the edge for the drum head to sit against. It's not supposed to just sit against a squarely cut edge. That would be another critical step in getting it right that would require the proper equipment for designing these. These two steps would quite literally make the design of an acrylic drum useless when not done to precision specs.
It's an honor to have you back, sir.
Cool video, but i bought, an almost brand new pdp acrylic snare to go with my pearl crystal beat. The guy who bought it brought it back to the store within a week, because he found out the sound didn't match with his kit. I change the heads on it, but i didn't find any chips or cracks in it, and the drum is actually flat, didn't wobble on a flat surface. It is true that the lug nuts are way to long, but for the price i paid for it, i am not complaining. I use it for live playing only, i did put a remo embassador coated on it, and it gives me plenty of volume and a nice crack. I also own a Ludwig vistalite from the 70s, but a blue one. I don't use that snare anyone, because there's a small crack in it, and i don't want to aggravate it. But as for the pdp, maybe you got a lemon, lol. Anyway cool video, i really enjoyed it.
Loved my 1974 clear Vistalite . Amazing sounding drum. Wish I still had her.
0:00 ohhhh that's why I've been unintentionally saying "how you goin'?" instead of "how're you doing?" lately lol
If there's one thing that I've come to learn is that PDP makes products that are absolutely awesome and products that are absolutely awful. And I'm not even talking about 'all CS signatures are rubbish' because it's often within the same product line and the quality control is just abysmal sometimes.
I got a Concept Maple, the works, 10-12-14-20 with 8 and 16 add-ons. It. Is. Absolutely. Perfect. I spent half a day in the store completely taking off all heads, checking the bearing edges, screws, roundness/flatness, the works. It is pristine and it's my absolute favourite thing to play on. Only thing I had to do was correcting the curve of the suspension mount because it gave some tension on the swivel nuts.
Why did I spend that much time and efford before taking it home? Because I've heard more than one story about the exact same series of drums being delivered with drum heads bolted down at one side of the head and rattling across the other. With so much saw dust inside that you could make another drum from it. Dents in the bearing edge. Wood chipped away in the bearing edge and around drilled holes. Holes not being drilled all the way through. I don't have time listing the other things but you can easily triple the shortcomings of those drums. They should never ever have been shipped out that way.
So yeah, it seems to be a bit of a lottery and it should never be like that. For drums they might be cheap. But it's not loose change by any stretch of the imagination. They really need to be more consistent. Still, I would very much recommend PDP to anyone because two stories among hundreds of satisfied customers isn't so bad, and as long as you are able to inspect and return a product to get a new one, you're still getting huge bang for your buck. Just wished it wasn't such a downer to the people who are stoked for getting drums of this kind.
I have a PDP 'Limited Edition' 7 1/2 x 14" maple/walnut snare drum. It is the hardest to tune snare drum I have. No matter what I do, it has the worst sympathetic snare buzz of any snare drum I've ever played. I've swapped the heads, swapped out the snare wires, even sanded down the snare beds a bit by about 1/16th inch. Still buzzes like crazy. (at all tuning range) Too bad it does have otherwise good sound and it is a beautiful drum.
@@thomasmoje5926 my opinion, sympathetic snare buzz is something I will always cherish, and anything you do to get rid of it will also get rid of wanted resonance in the drum.
Chad Smith... Dick Smith's drumming cousin?
What an absolute pile of word Wade can't use on this platform
i have a similar story but with guitar. i bought a $400+ squier cv stratocaster, by no means an expensive guitar, but certainly not cheap either, and it had finish blemishes under the clear coat. literally nothing i could do to fix it, other than returning it. a couple years earlier, i bought a peavey rockmaster for $50 from a pawn shop, that had been made probably 20 years earlier than the squier. i only got it because of the sparkly silver finish, but i ended up really liking it, despite the dead cockroach under the pickup. it’s now a beater for glam rock shenanigans
I would love to see a video on your thoughts of tuning
Maybe tips and tricks you learned
Or just some do's and don'ts that you seen on the Internet and even in your experiences.
Maybe talk about some tools that you used or even wanted to try.
We know u low key mention it in your expensive/cheap drums vid.
I think a dedicated video could be fun!
You just don't understand the superior sound of a Pringle shaped drumhead...
Great sense of humor!! (Count your lucky stars you didn't get ENTIRE SET...)
It’s funny. I bought the DW version of this snare for 300 bucks, and it is so much higher quality than this thing. It’s honestly one of my favorite snares I’ve ever played on
I think you missed your calling in comedy my friend. also legit hilarious you put Puresound wires on the jinbao 😂